WEBVTT - We Will March On

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<v Speaker 1>What's good. Family is your girl to make a D.

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<v Speaker 1>Mallory and it's your boy and my son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are your host, the street politicians, the place listen. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the pleasure of being at the Legacy Center

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<v Speaker 1>also known as the Black House, which is a crowd

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<v Speaker 1>fun sourced effort that Jay Morrison and Ernestine Johnson Morrison

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<v Speaker 1>UH put together, raised money to open something like a

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<v Speaker 1>wee work That's the best way that I can describe

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<v Speaker 1>it to folks. It's obviously much more than a we

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<v Speaker 1>work space because, um, you have so many community events

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<v Speaker 1>and efforts that take place here in this historic location

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<v Speaker 1>in Georgia. UM, My son and I are proud to

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<v Speaker 1>be two major supporters of this space just and when

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<v Speaker 1>I say major, I mean from the very beginning we

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<v Speaker 1>have been here and have continued to try to get

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<v Speaker 1>black folks to understand the importance of supporting facilities like this.

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<v Speaker 1>We love the we work spaces and other coworking spaces,

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<v Speaker 1>um that are owned by white folks. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>a space that's owned by black people. And since I've

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<v Speaker 1>been here today because we just happened to be in

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<v Speaker 1>and and Selma, Alabama had to travel to Atlanta, needed

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<v Speaker 1>to stop to do our show. Um. And since I've

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<v Speaker 1>been here, the detail, the cleanliness, the friendliness of everyone

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<v Speaker 1>calling one another kings and queens. I see people here

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<v Speaker 1>working on different efforts. They have different things going on

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<v Speaker 1>where folks are sort of renting space if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>to come and use conference rooms and um, different meeting areas.

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<v Speaker 1>And it really makes me feel good to know that

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<v Speaker 1>we first of all put our money here, but also

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<v Speaker 1>that we are just invested in making sure that the

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<v Speaker 1>Legacy Center continues to grow. And shout out to Jay

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<v Speaker 1>and Earnestine for keeping this space going. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of space in this building. Um. And so I know

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<v Speaker 1>Greenlit Studios, which is Ernestine's studio. You know, she's an actress,

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<v Speaker 1>she is a filmmaker, um and so they have a

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<v Speaker 1>big space that where they do her work and Jay's podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes a lot to maintain this type of space.

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<v Speaker 1>Vice it does, man, when and when you, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at the detail and the cleanliness and

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<v Speaker 1>just the whole prisonna and ambiance of the place, it

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<v Speaker 1>just gives you, like black excellence. Man. So I know

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a lot to maintain it. Shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>Jay and understand and everybody else, just the staff, he

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<v Speaker 1>is just there't pretty healthful that came in here. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you need anything came that? You know. They gave us

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<v Speaker 1>the red carpet, And it's not just cause it's us,

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<v Speaker 1>it's everybody. I see them treat everybody with the same

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<v Speaker 1>level of enthusiasm and respect, and that's what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to that's what you want to have, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's I'm definitely proud to be one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>supporters and one of the partners with traff Life in

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<v Speaker 1>this black House situation. So if you're in the Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>area and you need a space, they do events, spaces,

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<v Speaker 1>they have party they have all different types of spaces.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're in the Georgia area, look up the

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<v Speaker 1>Black House, you know, um, and make sure that you

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<v Speaker 1>try to patron you know. Yeah, that's right, listen. It

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<v Speaker 1>is close to the airport. I don't know. We we

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<v Speaker 1>dropped Linda at the airport this morning before coming to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot the show. How many minutes I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes time to get from the airport to come

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<v Speaker 1>to the Legacy Center. And again, it's clean, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen here. So if you and you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>live in Georgia like we live in New York. We're

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<v Speaker 1>headed to New York City as soon as we finished

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<v Speaker 1>filming our show today. Um, but we were able to

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<v Speaker 1>make a pit stop here so that we could tape

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<v Speaker 1>our show and not lose a whole day of work

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<v Speaker 1>just because we were traveling. So for folks who are

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<v Speaker 1>flying in and out of Georgia, we know Georgia is

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<v Speaker 1>a major hub. A lot of people are looking for

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<v Speaker 1>office space. Don't be so quick to run to the

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<v Speaker 1>spaces that are owned by people who don't look like us.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that the Legacy Center is here and there are

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<v Speaker 1>events that take place here that are curated by this team. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you're just looking for stuff to do

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in Georgia, check the Black House out and

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<v Speaker 1>come through. And it's on a big campus, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>outdoor space. There is space for every type of event

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<v Speaker 1>that you want to do. So Mike's getting into the

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<v Speaker 1>show today. There's a lot of things happening, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of concerning issues. There's always a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things happening. I think I say that every week,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just true, so I'll continue to say it

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<v Speaker 1>in so there's not a lot of things happening. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this situation with Britney Grinder, I really kind of need

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<v Speaker 1>you to explain it to me, right because first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I know she's a w NBA player and she's been

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<v Speaker 1>detained in Russia. I'm trying to figure out why she's

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<v Speaker 1>in Russia. Is that because this is a place where

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<v Speaker 1>people go to play like overseas sports, And then I

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<v Speaker 1>know she is she's she was detained there for something

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<v Speaker 1>that I didn't think was marijuana. But then I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little confused. So help me understand. Well, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>this based on what I what I've been reading. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>she's definitely an NBA w NBA player. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what she was doing in Russia. Maybe she was

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<v Speaker 1>there on you know, working playing in some of the

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<v Speaker 1>games out there, but I know that they said that

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<v Speaker 1>the customers inspection of her hand luggage they found um

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<v Speaker 1>hash oil cannabis oil, which is considered narcotic substance there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they arrested her and it happened they arrested

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<v Speaker 1>her in February, but they didn't give that they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see the exact date. I was heard that it was

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<v Speaker 1>she's been detained for the last three weeks. And we

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<v Speaker 1>know that based on what's going on in Russia and

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<v Speaker 1>U as being a part of those who are sanctioning

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<v Speaker 1>against you know, the war, the Agian War in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>that this is definitely gonna be some retaliatory you know process.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's you don't want to say that, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's it's not really, it's not really a good situation.

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<v Speaker 1>They're saying that it's gonna be hard, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at seeing them and they said it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to get the team basketball stuff really grinding

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<v Speaker 1>out of Russia alone. Makers say, so, you know that's

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no negotiation table with what's happening with Ukraine

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<v Speaker 1>and in America using its power um on the I

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<v Speaker 1>guess at the NATO table to try to stop the invasion.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot. So this young lady black woman um

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<v Speaker 1>uh NBA w NBA player is they're detained in Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still not sure which I'm sure once we uh

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<v Speaker 1>post our show, we'll hear from everybody all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I actually reached out to our brother, her Roland,

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<v Speaker 1>who works within the n b a UM and works

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of NBA players, UM and NFL players.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to find out more information and which he

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<v Speaker 1>was giving me a little bit, but also connecting me

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<v Speaker 1>with some people who are close to to Brittany Grinls. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we gotta figure this out because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the system needs to know that people in

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<v Speaker 1>the US are you know, speaking for her, advocating for

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<v Speaker 1>her and making sure that um, you know, she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>just feel like she's alone. And if she's been in

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<v Speaker 1>if she's been detained for three weeks, that's a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for oils, which I thought was legal, but I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's not. Depending on which state gering, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>which country you're in. It's so many. It's so confusing, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is, And you know, and they also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just based on the situation, they're saying that the diplomatic

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<v Speaker 1>negotiations and just communication is pretty much non existence between

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<v Speaker 1>American and Russia right now. And then they're saying that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>they're very strict on l g PT rules and laws

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<v Speaker 1>in Russia, and she's a you know, she's a proud

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<v Speaker 1>LGBT woman, and so these things we don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>those rules are going to impact her case or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is things that they're stating on CNN right

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<v Speaker 1>now shouldn't have anything to do with her situation because

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<v Speaker 1>like if you are gay by yourself, like it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like what she there. Let's see, we have to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what was she doing in Russia? You know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just this is just these to reports coming

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<v Speaker 1>from seeing N. From seeing N that I'm reading they're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he the the representative notice, I mean noted

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<v Speaker 1>that Russia is very strict on LGBT rules and laws,

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<v Speaker 1>though it's not clear whether those rules and laws might

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<v Speaker 1>impact a case. They just that was something that because

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<v Speaker 1>she's getting exactly and they have they have thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>people signed, you know, to to ask for her requests back,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean her speedy returned back to the U S.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, my prayers are with Brittany. I notice

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, gotta be hard to deal with. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>You go, you're traveling and something that you didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know is a narcotic in another country at a time

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<v Speaker 1>during you know, pretty much non existent communication between two

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<v Speaker 1>different countries during times of war and you're trapped like

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<v Speaker 1>this has to be very scary. So my friends go

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<v Speaker 1>out to her in a family. Yeah. And the prison

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<v Speaker 1>in Russia, I'm sure it's not the best place that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where you want to be. So also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of scares, we all have had such a traumatic

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<v Speaker 1>UM three years now dealing with the COVID nineteen issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether you believe did a hundred percent or didn't believe it,

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<v Speaker 1>or you felt it wasn't that bad, or it was

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<v Speaker 1>worse than we knew. And if you thought you should

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<v Speaker 1>wear a mask, you shouldn't wear a mask. Whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want to say, the virus impacted all of us. Every

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<v Speaker 1>single person. Is no one that can say that they

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<v Speaker 1>were not impact, that their life was not somehow shifted.

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<v Speaker 1>We always talk about the mental health challenges that we

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<v Speaker 1>know people experience being locked away. Just so many things

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<v Speaker 1>happened over the last three years, UM, and some folks

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<v Speaker 1>will say you weren't locked away, but to some people

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<v Speaker 1>it had that impact. It made you feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>were locked away from your family. You have folks that

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<v Speaker 1>in the last year you've watched them UM have videos

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<v Speaker 1>where they're seeing their family members for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>like for the first time they're seeing their mom or

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that is like really a grandmother, people seeing their children.

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<v Speaker 1>So it really really was a devastating time. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course in New York we had the strongest UH mandates ever,

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<v Speaker 1>like anything. You couldn't go to restaurants. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people took after us. Um I know l a uh

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<v Speaker 1>they decided and well in California, certain places in California,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was more so l A though, that

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<v Speaker 1>decided to follow New York's laws of having people um uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to show your vaccination in order to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a restaurant, in order to go to certain events plays,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just to be out in certain public environments.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course the masked mandates were strict. May at

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<v Speaker 1>the blasiol Our immediately outgoing mayor just has left office.

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<v Speaker 1>He was extremely strong and strict on everything COVID related.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of it I thought was necessary because in New

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<v Speaker 1>York is very different and you and I have debated

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<v Speaker 1>this back and forth, but it's different from other places

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of open air. You're talking about a city

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<v Speaker 1>where people live real close to one another. Everybody's touching

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<v Speaker 1>handles and whatnot. Some of it I thought, you know

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<v Speaker 1>you and not debated this back and forth. So some

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<v Speaker 1>of it I thought because of the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>New York we live on top of one another, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way that you know, people open the doors,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody behind one another. The train system, which by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is a disaster. It was disaster m t A before

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, but it's gotten worse because it seems that

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<v Speaker 1>all the homeless people have moved in to the train

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<v Speaker 1>station and they need help and services fast um. And

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different people who have mental health issues.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of it I thought was necessary in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of cleaning and all of that, but there were other

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<v Speaker 1>things that I did not necessarily feel we should be

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<v Speaker 1>requiring and demanding, especially people losing their jobs for not

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to be vaccinated. That's something I've never ever supported.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they're lifting because we have a new mayor. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure that de Blasio would have lifted these mandates

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<v Speaker 1>at this time, but Eric Adams, our new mayor, has

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<v Speaker 1>lifted the mandates as of us taping right now, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and there will be no more mass mandates in certain places.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, unless you're a business that wants to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the mandate. If you want to say for your

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<v Speaker 1>business you have to have a mask, and then also

0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.080
<v Speaker 1>going to restaurants and things like that, you won't have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a proof of vaccination. There are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people that's kissed off about it. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I think for me, right, you know, I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>for precaution, you know, and I want people to be safe.

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<v Speaker 1>I want people to feel safe. I just never was

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<v Speaker 1>with Mann. The word mandate, the word mandate, imposing your

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<v Speaker 1>will upon somebody's their bodies, and things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>It just never was something that was okay for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone should be false into being vaccinated.

0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone should be forced into wearing masks

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<v Speaker 1>all day, you know. I think the people who feel

0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.960
<v Speaker 1>that it makes them feel secure and safe, you should

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<v Speaker 1>wear it, you know, and and when you should take it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think those things to me just it just

0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.040
<v Speaker 1>took away civil liberties of just human beings, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So now, now what happens a lot of these people

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<v Speaker 1>who who took vaccines because they wanted to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to go to restaurants and they wanted to do all

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<v Speaker 1>these things. You know, and they didn't. They felt pressured

0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to even be able to live a human life. Now

0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.840
<v Speaker 1>these people say, okay, it don't matter, no, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who never took it anyway, So

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<v Speaker 1>you you're moving around with people just a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these things never made sense, just like you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole situation with Kyrie and him not being there to

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<v Speaker 1>pay home games, but the visiting teams who have people

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<v Speaker 1>who are not vaccinated because they can still play, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>none of those things makes sense. You've got people the

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<v Speaker 1>players have to be vaccinated and the people who come

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<v Speaker 1>in don't have to be vaccinated. So it's just it

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<v Speaker 1>just really to me, it's like, what do we really

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<v Speaker 1>saying to people that did it really make sense? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it really added up to anything? So, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess Tom will tell I guess you have to make

0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that decision for yourself. You gotta be able to say, Okay,

0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.760
<v Speaker 1>does it make sense to me? And I safer? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Did did anything change you know in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>we were handling it now? Or these people who haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been vaccinated are still able to do all the things

0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.840
<v Speaker 1>they've been doing and some of us had to get

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<v Speaker 1>vaccinated and didn't like, you know, so I just guess

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<v Speaker 1>we just gotta see, you know, I hope, hopefully. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see how this plans out because I'm a

0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.920
<v Speaker 1>broken Nets fan. I want Kyrie to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>play in inst so I just want to see how

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<v Speaker 1>this affects his eligibility to be able to play. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully they'll be able to pick up Kevin Garnett and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so that's one of the main things for me,

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<v Speaker 1>is like with sports, and basketball was probably the only

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<v Speaker 1>sport who really suffered the rest of the sports, did

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you had Aaron Rodgers and them who weren't

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<v Speaker 1>vaccinated or anything, and they were able to play games

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<v Speaker 1>the whole year. But you had somebody like Kyrie who

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<v Speaker 1>you know, took a stance and decided that for his

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<v Speaker 1>personal you know, health and his own personal readings, based

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<v Speaker 1>on his own studies, you know, for him, he decided

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to and he was penalized and people

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<v Speaker 1>made fun of him, and people called them all types

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<v Speaker 1>of names. And now we were right back to where

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<v Speaker 1>you can just do whatever you want. So it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people experience unfair treatment, you know, based

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<v Speaker 1>on these mandates. And in certain things. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm just interested to see how do people move

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<v Speaker 1>forward and what is going to be the response. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, you know, I mean, I agree with you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be. It's interesting because there are people who

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'll never go to a restaurant in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City. They went to Westchester, they went to New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are determined not to be vaccinated. So you

0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:24.040
<v Speaker 1>still now have those people unvaccinated, without masks and now

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<v Speaker 1>being able to sit right next to you in a restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't know the difference. Then you have people who

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<v Speaker 1>felt forcing. When I say felt force, I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>people who were emotionally damaged because they had to get

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<v Speaker 1>this vaccine. Emotionally damage like it was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stress on several people, including family members and friends, people

0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.960
<v Speaker 1>who are close to me, that we're really going through

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<v Speaker 1>hell and making the decision about whether or not they

0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.440
<v Speaker 1>had to take this this vaccine. And now to see

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<v Speaker 1>that these you know, the the mandates have been lifted.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I believe that they should have been lifted

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<v Speaker 1>because here's the thing. It's all about going in the

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<v Speaker 1>right direction, right Like people were saying before all they

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<v Speaker 1>went from ten day quarantine to now it's down to five.

0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.280
<v Speaker 1>And there were people who were like, why does it

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<v Speaker 1>have to be for now all of a sudden, and

0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.920
<v Speaker 1>it was like a big deal. And I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>if you live in a society where you something bad happens,

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<v Speaker 1>they're supposed to be measures to clean things up and

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<v Speaker 1>get it to a place where it doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be as stringent as it was in the very, very beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the goal is to move towards things being you

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<v Speaker 1>know better, right, And so if it went from ten

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<v Speaker 1>to five, that means we're going in a good direction

0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.560
<v Speaker 1>to eventually come from under all of this. So of

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<v Speaker 1>course the mandates being lifted, it's a good thing, especially

0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.600
<v Speaker 1>because how many of our friends and people we do

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<v Speaker 1>business with that came. I'm just thinking about at one point, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't even know whether she's vaccinated now,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, I won't even say her name, so we

0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.040
<v Speaker 1>won't even get her target. But someone who's very who

0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.480
<v Speaker 1>works with us, is very close to us, came from

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<v Speaker 1>out of town and they couldn't we couldn't go out

0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.960
<v Speaker 1>to eat because it was freezing and raining outside, and Dave,

0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.199
<v Speaker 1>she wanted to take us to lunch and we couldn't

0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.320
<v Speaker 1>go out to eat because she was not vaccinated. So

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<v Speaker 1>these things, um, you know, we we we hope will change,

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<v Speaker 1>but how does it impact somebody who felt they had

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<v Speaker 1>to take that needle? And it's just I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, it all remains to be seen and

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<v Speaker 1>it's all kinds of hypocritical stuff that goes on in

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<v Speaker 1>this damn country. So hey, what's what else is new?

0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.480
<v Speaker 1>And speaking of, you know, hypocritical stuff, I don't know

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.320
<v Speaker 1>many it's not. And maybe sometimes we're a little too

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<v Speaker 1>hard or I don't know. I'm starting to feel like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's me. But you know, I've been watching the

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<v Speaker 1>news and obviously Ukraine is like really messed up, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's really messed up. That pulling a man a one

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<v Speaker 1>man could just decide he's gonna go bully some people

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<v Speaker 1>in another country. It's not right. And I see all

0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.879
<v Speaker 1>these people being like, it's not our problem, and we

0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.120
<v Speaker 1>this and that the third, but as we all know,

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<v Speaker 1>it is our problem because if you're looking at them

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<v Speaker 1>skyrocket and ask gas prices up there, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>it is we are being impacted, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff that is being impacted based upon what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>with Russia and Ukraine right now, and there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be more and we have not seen the like full

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<v Speaker 1>extent of it. It could potentially get violent here in

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<v Speaker 1>the US. So we're we're we're in a situation here

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<v Speaker 1>where you can't ignore world crises. You have to know

0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.320
<v Speaker 1>what's happening. You've got to be aware, and there have

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<v Speaker 1>to be people within the activist community and the advocacy

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<v Speaker 1>communities like Shaun King and others who helped to dissect

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on every single day so that we are

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<v Speaker 1>aware as well. It is not okay for us to

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<v Speaker 1>just be ignorant, like we gotta know what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in this world, because guess what, if we were paying

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<v Speaker 1>close to attention to what was happening with Iraq and

0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the oil and the war and all of the stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps we would have been much more knowledgeable when those

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<v Speaker 1>planes hit No hit and non eleven but or in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East, because that's more than just Iraq. You're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a whole bunch of ship that was happening

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<v Speaker 1>at that time. Um that that I don't think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of us were really paying attention to. So with

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<v Speaker 1>that being said, with this Ukraine situation, yes we need

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<v Speaker 1>to know, but we can also feel um violated to

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<v Speaker 1>some extent that that we as a country that is

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place in the US, we got mad issues,

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<v Speaker 1>like mad issues, We've got homelessness as we just talked

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<v Speaker 1>about people being houseless, if you will, as a more

0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:45.000
<v Speaker 1>respectable way of describing it, And we just talked about

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<v Speaker 1>that people on the trains all over You've got people

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<v Speaker 1>of poverty, You've got hungry children. I was listening this

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<v Speaker 1>weekend to some stuff that Reverend Dr Barber was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>He was laying out, like before COVID, all of the

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:03.080
<v Speaker 1>different crisis that existed. We're been We're in trouble, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet our government, our president is asking Congress to give

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<v Speaker 1>a little more than six billion dollars to him so

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<v Speaker 1>that he can spend money on the war in and

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<v Speaker 1>and try to help out with Ukraine. Yes, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to protect our interests. You said that on the last show.

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<v Speaker 1>You broke it down to me and explained it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of like, but then you would explain it,

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<v Speaker 1>like if we do business with people and being a

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<v Speaker 1>major superpower in this country, we cannot just let security

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<v Speaker 1>things happen that we're not engaged in and making sure

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<v Speaker 1>we protect our interests. And there are Americans there in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>so I get it. I get it. But six billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars when we can't feed people right here in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>I can see how that's pissing people off. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's definitely pissing people off. And it's it just

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<v Speaker 1>goes along with just the politics and the capitalistic structure

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.920
<v Speaker 1>of you know, and that's that's what we feed into.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we always figure out why we don't have money

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<v Speaker 1>to do things in our community that affects us, that

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<v Speaker 1>directly affects the people who are marginalized in a starving

0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and need things. Were always trying to figure out where

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<v Speaker 1>do we get the money from, But like Tupacs said,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got money for war, we can't feed the poor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And it's a reality we've always had. We've

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<v Speaker 1>always found billions of dollars to give to different nations

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<v Speaker 1>in different countries for different you know, for war and

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<v Speaker 1>and and and and for things to help build up

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>other countries and things that don't directly impact US, specially

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<v Speaker 1>US in black and brown community. So it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's understandable when people say, what, why are we find

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<v Speaker 1>in Ukraine? Why are we're worried about that? We have

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<v Speaker 1>to understand that because when we look at these gas prices,

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<v Speaker 1>when we look at the effect that you know, these

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<v Speaker 1>sanctions now, Netflix, TikTok, Spotify, Hian m Disneys suspended service

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 1>to Russia. When when they look and they say, okay,

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:04.120
<v Speaker 1>we're you're doing that now, that's those are that when

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<v Speaker 1>you really really understand that those are declarations of war.

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Their their banks, that their money has been trapped in

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and held in, you know, their their economy is plummeting.

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Those are acts of war. So when when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at those things, understand that the possibility of Russia attacking

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<v Speaker 1>America based on those things, and understanding that these are

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear superpowers. These are not regular people who've got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of guns and they're gonna shoot. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>on a little No, these are nuclear superpowers. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>why whenever there has been talking about Russia and US

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<v Speaker 1>going to war, they understand the catastrophic nature upsetual war.

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<v Speaker 1>They understand that nuclear powers and bombs have the the

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<v Speaker 1>capability to wipe out whole states at one time. They

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:55.399
<v Speaker 1>have and have um nuclear the the chemicals can completely

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<v Speaker 1>just destroy and cause cancer and all types of different

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 1>illnesses within our bodies for decades and centuries. So these

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 1>are things that we have to be aware of. So

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<v Speaker 1>when people like yo, we ain't got a ton of

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:12.920
<v Speaker 1>where but no as and you know, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>So when you see someone who's like Poutin, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a dictator, who's constantly taking over land and imposing his will,

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.160
<v Speaker 1>what is him to stop? What's to stop him from

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>constantly doing that? And then when you don't establish yourselves

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.360
<v Speaker 1>as a superpower. He already said, if you're able to

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<v Speaker 1>control certain things, and we don't feel safe anyway in

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:37.639
<v Speaker 1>my life could be taken, why do I care? If

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 1>everybody does. This is the mentality of a dictator. So

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you gotta look at this and we have to be

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>very careful and acknowledge what is going on. Yes, we're

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>dealing with a lot of things in our communities individually,

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.680
<v Speaker 1>as a as a collective, as black and round people,

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 1>and we feel like those things should supersede. But we're

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 1>talking about something that can be catastrophic to the world,

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that can like war between America and Russia, is something

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that nobody wants to see. That we've been talking about

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 1>for years because we understand that these are nuclear superviowers.

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>So we have to be very attentive. I know that

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 1>we we look on our block and said, well, we

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 1>ain't got none to eat, and we're trying to figure

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>out this. We got gun violence and we're talking about

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>police brutality and my man just got shot. Yes, those

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 1>are very serious things, but this is also something that's

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 1>can effect not just you, but your kids and to

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>see if they have kids. So this is a serious situation. Well,

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.880
<v Speaker 1>but then my my thing is, and I agree with you,

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:37.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean I I completely agree and understand what you're saying,

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>but I I guess and that as in fact, I'm

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna use this as my thought of the day today.

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Here's my thought of the day. What if Netflix and

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>what did you say? You told me Netflix, you said something,

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Tobodio's who was it? Netflix, Tick Time, Botify, Disney, all

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>these people. What if those companies felt the same way

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>about and had the same passion for against police brutality,

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>against racial injustice, right, not just giving a few dollars

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to a black organization or you know, to somebody who

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>they feel is involved in the space, but literally saying

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>we won't even do business with people, individuals and otherwise

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>who are invested in in in racial injustice. And that's

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>not hard to know. It's not hard to know, because

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>what did they say again this weekend, what we learned

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>while we were at the commemoration of Bloody Sunday, fifty

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 1>seven years since John Lewis and others went across the

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 1>bridge fighting for voting rights, and they were beaten bloody um,

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 1>even women. Um, I forget the lady's name, Amelia Lord.

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I always say it, and now is escaped me, but

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna make sure to get it. But anyway, these

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>are people who were we were bloodied on that bridge

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 1>fighting for voting rights right. And and what Reverend Barber

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 1>said was that people will give corporations will give money

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 1>to Bloody Sunday, but then turn around and use some

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:37.360
<v Speaker 1>of that same they're same resources to fund the Republican

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>senators who are against everything that we were fighting for

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 1>on Bloody Sunday and still today. So these these senators

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>and others who are um and and again this is

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>not to take anything away from Democrats, who are also problematic,

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>but we're talking about Republicans specifically who have voted against

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and also have been on their own creating laws that

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>are suppressing the votes of people there in Alabama and

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>across the nation. These same corporations will invest in those

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 1>senators and be a part of you know, don't get

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>me started with their corporate initiatives that are unfortunately um

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>investing in the oppression of black and brown people. And

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>then yet say, well, we're gonna give a check over

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>here to make sure that you know, you can do

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>a commemorative event on bloody Sunday. That to me doesn't

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>make sense, but I can see and I see how

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>people feel like damn, but you will go and put

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>sanctions on a country which, by the way, the citizens

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:59.480
<v Speaker 1>of Ukraine are overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly white, and even in wartime,

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>how blacks are being treated, right, the blacks aren't being

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>able to get out of the country. You know, there

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of black people saying they experienced all

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 1>type of racism. I seeing a guy that was doing

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>an interview and they was something he was someone fight

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>for here, I don't even care about me. You treat

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>me I'm black. Yet when I fight for here, you

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>still won't treat me like I'm black. You still don't

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>have any respect for me. So racism is a worldwide issue.

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>It's not just a country. It's not just the United States.

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a worldwide issue, and it shows up like this.

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>It shows up as you said, you know what, Why

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>why they don't because they don't see It's like they said,

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Racism is American, is apple pie. Racism is something in America.

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 1>It's it's part of the everyday culture. So they you know, sure,

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 1>we wanted if we can do a little things to

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 1>give you, but we don't really they don't really actually

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>think that racism is not going to exist. They acknowledge

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that is there, and they want to do their part.

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Some people feel guilty, you know, they have white tears,

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:01.479
<v Speaker 1>and they want to give you a couple of dollars.

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>We made a hundred billion dollars or racism, so we

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>can give you a couple of million and say that

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>we did our part, But we're not gonna do anything

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>to stop racism, because if we actually stop racism, then

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>it actually means that we have to contribute and give back,

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, the equity that that that racism has taken

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 1>away for black people. Right, Who wants to be a

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>part of that? Who wants to be a part of

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>creative equity and equality that black people are really equal? Right?

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>It means that I have to give up some of

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>some of my stature, some of my possession, some of

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>my money, some of my land, and make sure that

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>we do right by the people who have been you know,

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>have been ostracized in this country for years. So nobody

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>wants to deal with that. But there of course, so

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>when you talk about stations, they look and see other

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>white people die and they see it's a bad thing. Oh,

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>we could do that, we could pull it course to

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>that because that doesn't affect our money, and we don't

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>do anything. In Russia, we still we still got billionaires

0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>over here. That's just extra thing and we were allowed.

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>I ain't do with that because we don't want to

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>see that those things happen. But in America, our the

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>most of the corporation is invested in black death because

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the biggest things that the jail system,

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>us dying, the drugs, all of the things that creates

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the hierarchy for corporate organizations to run is the things

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>that affect black people at the highest and destroys us

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.479
<v Speaker 1>at the highest rates. So they can't do that. They

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>fighting against their own investments. M hmm. That's some powerful stuff.

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 1>We should invite our next guests to come and talk

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>about this because this is some of the stuff that

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>we were gonna cover the day and we just sort

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>of got into it. I want to talk about Palestine too,

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>but we'll talk about that is hopefully with our guests.

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>So let's bring on Reverend Mark Thompson of Make It Plain,

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:59.479
<v Speaker 1>our fighting soldier who's been battling on the ground for

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a law long, long, long time and and really been

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a mentor to so many of us. As you have

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>been mentored by the older generation of civil rights leaders,

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 1>you're now mentoring so many And UM, we just experienced

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Bloody Sunday together, the commemoration of Bloody Sunday. We spend

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>it together every single year. Um. We left SOMA today

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>it came to do our show and said we gotta

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>have Mark Thompson to come on and give us some contexts.

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>And you're out there on the ground to tell us

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. We are marching from some of the

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Montgomery recreating the march that occurred forty seven years ago

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>UH when Dr King and others, John Lewis and others

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Ralph B. Coretta, Scott King find me terade Willie ricks

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>All March to support the community of Selma and the

0:33:55.240 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>demand voting rights. On March seven. It was a Black

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Lives Matter March plan to avenge the death of Jimmie Jackson,

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 1>who had been killed by the state troopers in Maryon,

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Alabama during a voting rights protest one evening. The plan

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 1>was to march Jimmy Lee Jackson's coffin UH to the

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 1>state capital of Montgomery to avenge his death. And ultimately

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 1>the plan changed and they did not march but Jimmy

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>but Jackson's coffin. They marched in the famous scene we

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 1>all know now historically where they went across Von Pettis

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Bridge and were brutalized by the Alabama State Police at

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>the behest. And on the war there's an instruction of

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 1>no good racist coming to George Wallace. After that, there

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:54.280
<v Speaker 1>was a world convergence on this little town called Settlmer

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that we come to every year to organize and that

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.879
<v Speaker 1>movement brought about the voting rights to nothing else did.

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 1>So we come every year. I am honored to be

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 1>on the board of the Bridge crossing Julie and every

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 1>year we organized this event. It is the only UH

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>annual commemoration of the civil rights event. How I know,

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I talked to the golf time we march on Washington,

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>we actually have not traditionally done the marching. So this

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>is the only civil rights event that is commemorated every year.

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 1>So we're canning to be creating this march. Every day

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.720
<v Speaker 1>there'll be a different organization leading us on ten miles

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 1>for five days to the tip to four miles in

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Montgomery today you happen to I happen to join you

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>while the Poor People's Campaign, the Rainbow Pushed Coalition UH

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 1>and the Transform of Justice Coalition, Barbara on Winn's organization

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 1>of leading the march on my son, you were going

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to ask Mark Um some of your thoughts from being

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 1>there yesterday. The Vice President UH Kamala Harris was in

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>uh Selma yesterday. That does not happen every year. Every

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 1>year generally whenever there is a major election, all the

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>elected officials show up we've we've been there when President

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Obama was in town. We've been there for other individuals.

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>And I guess in two thousand and what was that

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>whenever the last presidential election twenty I don't know, y'all,

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 1>y'all tell me, but um, everybody was there, Bloomberg, brud

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 1>jag Obama. But I mean this last most recent presidential election,

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden, Bloomberg, everybody who could think, a lot of

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Warren, Lotty Dotty and everybody was in in Solma.

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>So this is every every few years we have this

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>moment when people really show up. And yesterday the Vice

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>president Kamala Harris's day and she walked across the bridge.

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>So my son, you go ahead, okay, So no, no,

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>what what I what I was saying is, you know,

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I've been blessed to have been going to summer for

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>the last seven or eight years. And um, it's always

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>good to be around our brothers and sisters as we

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>we acknowledge and understand the process and the dedication and

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the sacrifices that our ancestors made on that bloody Sunday day.

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 1>But in my in my opinion, over the years, you know,

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of politicians, a lot of different individuals are

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>starting to utilize it at some level of performative thing

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>rather than actual recommitment to what Bloody Sunday actually represented.

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've been getting the feeling that I'm watching

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of some of them, I know have been

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 1>fighting with us, but it's are in the seem like

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these politicians and certain individuals are coming

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>because they get these photo ops, you know, and they

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 1>say that I've represented Selma. You know, I just want

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 1>to get your personal view. What do you do You

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>think that at some point is getting more performative than

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 1>actually people recommitting to what it is that this Bloody

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Sunday is supposed to represent. Well, I think that's partially true,

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 1>but also think it's somewhere natural. For example, the first

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>black president came, um, the first black woman vice president

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>came because I think we do have for knowledge, they

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>would not be if not for Selmer and there were

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 1>no Selding, that would not have been a Barack Obama.

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 1>But we're not have been a Kamala Harris. If not

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:50.359
<v Speaker 1>for Summer, we would not have the opportunity to add

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the first black woman's a thing for a justice um.

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>And just parenthetically, we're talking about this more later. If

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>there were no Sellmer that we have not, then that

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:00.440
<v Speaker 1>would not have been a really part of the Clinton need.

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I just want to make that clear also. Um, So

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to a certain extent, people feel the need to come

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>to pay I'm a gener respect to the blood of

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 1>the ship that put them in power. But you're right,

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:15.759
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna becomes performative because that's a star as you go,

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:22.879
<v Speaker 1>where is the real relief the people need? And right now,

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the greatest need for relief is in our voting right um.

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 1>And we're at a very dangerous place because if the

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party, which is the greatest benefices menepicting and continues

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 1>to be the the greatest beneficially of black vote, if

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.320
<v Speaker 1>it cannot deliver protect our voting rights and what exactly

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 1>is going on with um? And so we're not in

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>a good place some sense when Vice President came Sunday

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.320
<v Speaker 1>that it did not have a lot of meaning. It

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:03.760
<v Speaker 1>was hollowed because the White House, she serves protect our vote.

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 1>And so that is that's when you g get into

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 1>the performative or it's not performative invested, it's just serve

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just a commemoration, it's just a reminiscence. But some

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>were saying, where is what we leave because we are

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>almost going back to pre nine five voter suppressive. We

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 1>are almost got to say the bills that are people

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 1>for are now for. It's just about all one night.

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 1>So what really are we doing? And if if, if,

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:40.240
<v Speaker 1>if Shelma is not an opportunity to reinvigorate our selves,

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 1>to get in these streets and get done with needs

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>to be done done long term, then of course you

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 1>also really does end up being performed. And it's also

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>one thing I want to say. I'm no I was

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say that. Another thing for me that's very

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>troubling is that every time I go to Selma, I

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>see gentrification, but I don't don't see investment in community right.

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.879
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like we've been We've had this conversation

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 1>for years and and and of course Hank Rolls um

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>And and fire Rolls, who are two of the great

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>leaders there in Sma that have continued to make sure

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>that Bloody Sunday happens and that people never forget the

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 1>history of of of Selma. But I can't help but

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.800
<v Speaker 1>think about how they have constantly, you know, been really

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 1>advocating to all of us that there must be an

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>investment so that the residents of Selma know that it's

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>not just about a bridge, which still happens to be

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 1>named by a racist, but that's a whole different part

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.879
<v Speaker 1>of the conversation, right, but that that that there would

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:47.240
<v Speaker 1>be an investment in those people's lives. And we always

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 1>drive around when we're gonna come to Selma, as with

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 1>any other city we go to, We drive around and

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:56.240
<v Speaker 1>we talk to the people. There's extreme poverty and desperation

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and gun violence and every issue that you find, and

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 1>other earth and communities happening right there in Selma. Where

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>is the investment and what is the and and what

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 1>what do we need to be saying to people. I

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like we should be telling some of these presidential

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 1>candidates and other people, not just candidates, because there are

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>also funks that consider themselves to be leaders who have

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>resources that don't do anything for some after they get

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>their photo op on that bridge. Yeah, yeah, I agree,

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:31.000
<v Speaker 1>uh and and and sell Man is suffering economically as

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:36.760
<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, um Selma. The level of poverty

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and some of the lack of jobs, the lack of

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 1>opportunity is real. Um. One thing cores woman Terry Too

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 1>said emphatically I heard for the first time on the

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>bridge is that you know, what is the point in

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.320
<v Speaker 1>having a commemoration in the place, and we're not oppolding

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 1>with the people needing that, like tell me it's for

0:42:55.440 --> 0:43:02.240
<v Speaker 1>young Selma. His hand went if I murdered in recent months.

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>And it's a little small town and yet some I'm

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:08.359
<v Speaker 1>on hand about twenty week though what I'm told I mean,

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>so so there's there's there's nothing there. We all that's

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>the other thing. People coming the sum to commemorate um.

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 1>But then nothing is left behind. And so to the

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>point of performave see whether we can get voting rights

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 1>or not? Just all right, black voters matter, walking back,

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 1>whether we can get voting rights immediately or not. On

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:33.839
<v Speaker 1>the politicians on their bridge, UH the other day can

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>bring some type of economic opportunity to see tomorrow. They

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 1>can all do that if they would, but choose to

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 1>do so. And so that has to happen. And it

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>ought to be treated as a set of space and

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 1>not just once a year, but throughout the year, so

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 1>that it's residents UH can find jobs in some sense

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of income, get off the streets, all of that. But

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 1>that is that is what's in jeopardy, and that's just

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 1>not what's happening, and it has to happen. But for

0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 1>the first time, I'll say all that I've been coming

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>down here and organizing and sol much over twenty years,

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I've lost county, not quite thirty, but just over twenty. UM.

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 1>This is the first time this year that I am

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 1>for that type of UM commitment and that type of

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:22.240
<v Speaker 1>conversation about real economic investment and economic opportunity to city Southern.

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 1>The last thing I say on that is UM because

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it is such a tourist location. I mean, there's some

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 1>cities as we don't know, prides cities which thrive economically. UM.

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 1>When it comes to tourism, you can create jobs from tourism.

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 1>You can live. I mean that time y'all seen it.

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 1>You can you can live some money for people and

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>creas people. If that is the biggest industry, that could

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 1>be the most lucative industry in Selmer. If there are

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.319
<v Speaker 1>those who would, but just do it. I have to

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 1>wonder though, whether the reason is not being down because

0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>there's still some level of existence. M what's selling the

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>stands for maybe we really don't want someone to be susceptive.

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we want to continue to promising a small community.

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.399
<v Speaker 1>And some of the people, hundreds of them whose names

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.400
<v Speaker 1>when we all know John leaves his name, there were

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.400
<v Speaker 1>people on their bridge with him who was still alive,

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>who was still in Selmer. You all saw yesterday. And

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things you all got rush DAGs

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.320
<v Speaker 1>speaking to the politicians. They were pushing the footsoldiers, we

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:25.279
<v Speaker 1>called them the footsoldiers, those who are actually on the

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 1>bridge each other. They were pushing them out of the

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:29.640
<v Speaker 1>way to get on the pitch and getting front and

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 1>be seen, you know. And and Uh, that was despicable

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>to all of us. These are the people who were

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>beating up um for or the sake of voting rights

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and beating up on that bridge in Selma. You all

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:47.840
<v Speaker 1>probably hear rib Boba's voice behind and they're getting y

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 1>have a program. This is one of the stopped here.

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm want to kind of come in and give you

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 1>all a minute to hear that and get a glimpse

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 1>of that. Reverend Jackson Uh is also here um with us.

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 1>And this is a committed group of people. Every day,

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 1>this week, someone's gonna be some organizational rematching uh mash

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 1>actstion networking as a day when black ters matter, all

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 1>of the uh labor organizations, uh have a day. Um

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and uh so we're organized, we're here, we're here believing

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 1>in it. So somebody you know, uh guess to meet

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:31.480
<v Speaker 1>in my science podcast. Um so I saw him. I

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.760
<v Speaker 1>saw him yesterday out there. I said, he's he's gonna

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 1>walk as long as he can walk across that bridge.

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 1>And I understand, I understand. Let barber iten. So Mark,

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:49.360
<v Speaker 1>my son, I know you were gonna jump in, but

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say. I didn't think about the angle

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 1>that there is possibly resentment about Selma, right, But I

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>did think of this conspire or recy theory that I

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's too much of a conspiracy. I think

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 1>it's more of a theory. I believe they also are

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:11.439
<v Speaker 1>waiting out the residents to leave so that they can

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 1>gentrify the entire town. Hey, fire Rows and Cliff all right,

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:20.400
<v Speaker 1>look at their people, um people, look they're doing business

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and you and their face with the phone at the camera.

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 1>But I believe they're waiting the residents out so that

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 1>people can leave. So that they can buy up that

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 1>land and those homes and all of use. Listen, plenty

0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:36.239
<v Speaker 1>of them right, There's plenty of space around and a

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of you could you can make those buildings into, um,

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:46.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, different types of businesses. Barbara on wine, everybody did,

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 1>everybody's there. Um, these are all these are all folks

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:54.760
<v Speaker 1>who have been in the fight. Just for those people

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 1>who are listening or and or watching. What we're seeing

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 1>right now is Reverend Thompson. Rever Mark Thompson is walking

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:05.759
<v Speaker 1>through the first stop on I don't know if it's

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.399
<v Speaker 1>the first stop, but one of the stops today on

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the march from Selma to Montgomery, which is a historic march.

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Folks think about the bridge crossing, but what they forget

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>is that they weren't just crossing the bridge just for

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the sake of having a march over the bridge. They

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 1>were walking from Selma on one side of the bridge

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to Montgomery, which is fifty four miles down the road.

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:33.399
<v Speaker 1>And I've actually done that march a few times. It's

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>no joke. It's hot as heck out there. Um. The

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 1>roads are long and along the way. So when they

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 1>first went over that bridge, they didn't make it there

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 1>were many issues they had to turn back one time.

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's different stories about things that happened, but

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 1>once they did make that pilgrimage, if you will, from

0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Selma to Montgomery, people died right there was there were

0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.719
<v Speaker 1>incidents that happened along and as you walk down the

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 1>fifty four mile mark, there are places that are historic

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:08.359
<v Speaker 1>locations where you will stop and learn about folks who died,

0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:13.279
<v Speaker 1>people who were brutalized, and other interactions with law enforcement

0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and white supremacists who were out there. So there's these

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:19.280
<v Speaker 1>folks who are doing this. This is not just something

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 1>to do. This is a very sacred march and a

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 1>pilgrimage if you will, throughout our history. But to go

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 1>back to the economic point on summer, I think they're

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:30.799
<v Speaker 1>waiting people out. I think they want to clear out

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the town. Looks like you're gonna say something about that. No,

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I definitely agree. You know, when you when you look

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.920
<v Speaker 1>at just the level of poverty that they are allowing

0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 1>to happen in that town, in the space, especially right

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.400
<v Speaker 1>by the bridge where all of those things, like you said,

0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 1>those can be used as tourist place. They can be

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 1>selling memorabilia from different or from different things, and everybody

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:58.279
<v Speaker 1>will come there just to see that if it was

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 1>something that was highlighted in promoted properly. So when you're

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 1>watch and you see that a lot of those buildings abandoned,

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the property has been destroyed and left

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to be destitute and decrepit, you you have to acknowledge

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>that it's for reasons, you know. And I think that

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 1>if you know, and I want to go back to this,

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:19.480
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about a lot of these you know,

0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:22.719
<v Speaker 1>elected officials and people who come there. I don't even

0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:25.239
<v Speaker 1>think that they have to invest all year, right, I

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:29.280
<v Speaker 1>think that if everyone who went there through that year, Hey,

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I just want to I know you all interviewed me,

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.880
<v Speaker 1>but I think we do well to acknowledge. Amoud alburies

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:44.040
<v Speaker 1>dad brother. That's that's show, and we need to understand

0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:49.040
<v Speaker 1>he is here. This is consistent with what happened fifty

0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>seven years ago. There's no delineation between Jimmy Lee Jackson

0:50:56.239 --> 0:51:00.120
<v Speaker 1>who was killed in nine and Amoud Albury, which the

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 1>deal thing, and it says something despite what his family

0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 1>is going through, he and his family have joined us

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 1>on this march and I just wanted to thank him

0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:12.200
<v Speaker 1>for that and and my brother, thank you, thank you.

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, we love him man. He's a strong, strong brother. Yeah, yeah,

0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:29.239
<v Speaker 1>you're going right. We actually met him at at at

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:33.759
<v Speaker 1>the trial for the officers and not for the white man,

0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 1>for the white apologize for the white man. We actually

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 1>met him at the trial. Same same thing, same thing,

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Vigilantis officers, officers of Vigilant. But we get we're gonna

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 1>make sure the private context. But yeah, we didn't meet him.

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:50.239
<v Speaker 1>But I just want to say, like if people made

0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a commitment to one day, if those politicians who want

0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 1>to come and get the notoriety for being a selone

0:51:56.560 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 1>want to say that they love hey, Latsha, you out everybody,

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:06.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody. All they're doing, they're doing their podcast

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:12.600
<v Speaker 1>podcast O we love you, Latasha, Latasha. Those are all.

0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.759
<v Speaker 1>These are all. She asked a very specific question, where

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>y'all at thatching. You know, we gotta we gotta get

0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:25.879
<v Speaker 1>back home to these kids. I gotta get to these

0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.680
<v Speaker 1>kids real quick. But um, like I was saying, if

0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:31.279
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't make that one investment, if each of them

0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:34.239
<v Speaker 1>say you know what we're gonna We're gonna invest a

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars to someone to do something for Somelmer

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.839
<v Speaker 1>this year. You know, if that happened every year, you know,

0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the property value will grow and everything we're growing at

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:47.879
<v Speaker 1>and nobody does anything. They just come in and they

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 1>say this is your story place, and we love it.

0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>And someone meant this, and someone meant that, and they

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 1>raised their hand, they raised their fists, and they walk

0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:58.040
<v Speaker 1>across and most of them don't even walk across the bridge.

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:01.759
<v Speaker 1>They walk halfway across, and then they take the jump

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.080
<v Speaker 1>into the car and they go, oh, I mean this

0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:06.320
<v Speaker 1>is this is the reality. And and the foot soldiers

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:08.759
<v Speaker 1>in the back that that that's trying to make this

0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 1>walk every time. And then the people from the town

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:16.040
<v Speaker 1>is stopped by secret service people and all and it's like,

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's it's something that I'm like, it's

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.640
<v Speaker 1>not really genuine. And I love I love what Bloody

0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Sunday represents for us as a people, and I love

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.200
<v Speaker 1>that we commemorated, but I think that we have to

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:31.040
<v Speaker 1>do a lot more, and we we cannot allow, you know,

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:34.920
<v Speaker 1>these government officials or anybody celebrity, whoever it is, to

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 1>come and utilize the resources and the rich history of

0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:43.040
<v Speaker 1>someone without investing back in. Yeah, no, I agree, And

0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:45.440
<v Speaker 1>let me say before you go, Mark, because I'm I

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 1>want to shift the conversations. I'm gonna give you a

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 1>last point on this. But the way in which the people,

0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:56.839
<v Speaker 1>the community, it's sort of boxed out of being just

0:53:56.920 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 1>even just a little bit closer where they can really

0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:04.640
<v Speaker 1>see and experience what's happening. That's very disheartening to me

0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:06.799
<v Speaker 1>as well. And I think it's something that has to

0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 1>be addressed because people were We're sending us messages on

0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:15.120
<v Speaker 1>on social media saying what are they doing all the

0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:19.000
<v Speaker 1>way over there? We can't really here and people are

0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 1>passing out. It's super hot on Sunday in Selma at

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.799
<v Speaker 1>three and two and three o'clock in the afternoon, and

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.839
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like, because people are so caught up in

0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:33.080
<v Speaker 1>the celebrity of the moment, there is not enough attention

0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:37.280
<v Speaker 1>being focused on the community that should be They should

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 1>be the first touch point. So I think there is,

0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know that people are doing it on purpose.

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I think it's just that we get we are so

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:49.160
<v Speaker 1>celebrity driven at times that we somehow we need to

0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 1>be reminded of the need to engage the people. So

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, you're gonna have a point on that. Well,

0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I agree with all of all of you both there

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:01.840
<v Speaker 1>saying and um, we just don't know what to do anymore.

0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 1>To put it that simple, Sometimes the easiest explanations the

0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:08.319
<v Speaker 1>simblar one. We don't really understand our power, and we

0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:12.200
<v Speaker 1>don't organize in the way we organize the if you

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 1>all know, a lot of times, folks, when you come

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:16.160
<v Speaker 1>to someone's also, I thought it because we some of

0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:18.160
<v Speaker 1>us stay up all night in the same games hotel

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and talk about these things. But but I remember when

0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:26.080
<v Speaker 1>everything shifted seeing sixty five and during the whole Civil

0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:30.120
<v Speaker 1>rights movement, the politicians reacted to the move the movement

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:33.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't react to the politicians. Lyndon Johnson, It's quote, if

0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:34.920
<v Speaker 1>you go but if you ever want to hear some

0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:37.600
<v Speaker 1>real history, even get a few labs, listen to the O. B.

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.400
<v Speaker 1>J Table, And he says, he gets up every morning,

0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:45.000
<v Speaker 1>he first, before he gets the National Security Advisor Report,

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the National Security Briefing, he wants to know what man

0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Luther King and did Gregory had said about him overnight.

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:54.279
<v Speaker 1>That is what started his day. That was the influence

0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:57.880
<v Speaker 1>that the movement had at that time. We advocated that,

0:55:58.360 --> 0:56:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and somehow our movement came um absorbed by the Democratic Party,

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:09.239
<v Speaker 1>and not even an ideology of the Democratic Party, just

0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:14.160
<v Speaker 1>this that whatever we do or whatever we want done

0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 1>can happen unless we get Democrats elected. That became our

0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:22.839
<v Speaker 1>end rather than our needs, and it absorbed it. I

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 1>was sharing uh with with a young person today. This

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:29.520
<v Speaker 1>isn't that long ago. We were the three bunch were alive.

0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I was involved in it. Something. Some of the biggest

0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 1>victoris of our movement in the eighties. We blocked Robert

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Bork Ronald Reagan Supreme Court nominee. We can do that today.

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:44.920
<v Speaker 1>We did that eighty We over ruled Reagan on amount

0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:47.400
<v Speaker 1>of the King Holiday. Reagan the most cooper republic the president.

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:49.399
<v Speaker 1>We s the memory. We beat him on the amount

0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:52.160
<v Speaker 1>of the King Holiday. We also beat him with the

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 1>kame of scitions against South Africa. Today we don't have

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>their mentality. We weren't. We weren't discouraged because Reagan was

0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:02.839
<v Speaker 1>a Republican. Today this is what we say, Well, we

0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:05.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't do it that stuff unless we get Democrats in office.

0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:08.319
<v Speaker 1>We didn't wait to get Democrats in office to the

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 1>feed Ronald Reagan on those three very important regis what

0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:14.120
<v Speaker 1>happened to earth. Martin is a king and all of

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 1>them didn't wait for a Democrats to get an office

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to do what they needed to do. And when the

0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Democrat was an office, they held that democrat accountable. So

0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 1>something has happened to us where we have forgotten and

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:28.560
<v Speaker 1>all these are gonna be honest with you. Some of

0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:32.600
<v Speaker 1>our organizations have made it their their call, their mission

0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to see how many times they can get invited too

0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the White House. Not told the White House accountable, but

0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to be in the meeting, to take pictures and do

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.040
<v Speaker 1>all of that they were holding up to mar each

0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 1>other day. Take a picture of the way. I was

0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 1>really like, some of y'all go to the White House

0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:47.680
<v Speaker 1>once a week anyway, Why do you need to see

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 1>them in Sealman too? Why not looking people in Selma,

0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>seeing the vice president Kamala had and and so you know,

0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know whether some of what is happening to

0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:02.240
<v Speaker 1>and what happened in sem on bloody Sunday when Tomala

0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Harris came there, trying to put this as diplomatically as

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I came without violating the confidence she confided in me.

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:15.080
<v Speaker 1>But sometimes you don't know whether she herself is being

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:21.280
<v Speaker 1>steered in a direction so that she can fail. I'll

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:25.840
<v Speaker 1>just leave that there. Uh, you know, there were just

0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:30.040
<v Speaker 1>things that I observed that that that trying. Yeah, that

0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.800
<v Speaker 1>the first black woman vice president, and what she expressed

0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:39.400
<v Speaker 1>to me privately, it gives me pause to wonder, you know,

0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:43.640
<v Speaker 1>what is really going on. It wasn't her decision to

0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:48.919
<v Speaker 1>keep the crowd from her, whose decision wasn't being and

0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:52.320
<v Speaker 1>and and if this were a white male vice president

0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and the president was took about to be eighty years old, um,

0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:01.880
<v Speaker 1>there would be a runway prepared. Everything goes through history

0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:06.360
<v Speaker 1>all every incoming vice president is promoted as a successor

0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 1>to the incoming president. That is not happening to the

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:12.439
<v Speaker 1>first black woman vice president, the first South Asian woman,

0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the first Jamaican American woman. She checks about six and

0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:19.520
<v Speaker 1>nine boxing, but that's not happening for her. And several

0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:23.200
<v Speaker 1>women came up to me, even even some white women

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:26.640
<v Speaker 1>that the president of the National Congress of Jewish Women,

0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:29.000
<v Speaker 1>National Council Jewish Woman spoke to me after the march

0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:32.200
<v Speaker 1>because this is something. Why is why is this a

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:34.640
<v Speaker 1>woman not being elevated in the way that the white

0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:37.040
<v Speaker 1>male vice president. She stopped me on the bridge to

0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:38.640
<v Speaker 1>ask me that. I said, you know, these are all

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:41.480
<v Speaker 1>questions we have to answer. So when we look at

0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 1>all of it, all of these things are problematic, the

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:46.760
<v Speaker 1>lack of our voting rights, the performative aspect of this

0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:50.720
<v Speaker 1>mice whereby people coming and take pictures and nothing can

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:53.720
<v Speaker 1>really be done about it. What did the news media do?

0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Um My ma Avacrrends of the Practice Powers called me

0:59:57.920 --> 0:59:59.800
<v Speaker 1>last night. I wasn't even back in the hotel. Yet

1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:03.160
<v Speaker 1>all of the coverage on television was more focused on

1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the Vice president's remarks about the Ukraine. We're obsessed with

1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:08.080
<v Speaker 1>the Ukraine, don't get me wrong. It's a terrible thing.

1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:10.720
<v Speaker 1>We want us to end. We want that war to end.

1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Pouting as a maniac, Trump is his marrying that. But

1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:21.280
<v Speaker 1>you were yesterday for Selma and and and. While the

1:00:21.480 --> 1:00:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Ukraine is being occupied by Russia, our communities are still mean, disproportionate,

1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:32.680
<v Speaker 1>disproportionately occupied by the police who were still killing us,

1:00:33.240 --> 1:00:39.160
<v Speaker 1>disproportionately occupied by those who were trafficking guns and drugs,

1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:42.160
<v Speaker 1>your young people. So we all in the war one.

1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:44.560
<v Speaker 1>War one community is suffering in the war is not

1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:48.680
<v Speaker 1>greater than another. And so while we stand with the

1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:51.160
<v Speaker 1>safety of the people in Ukraine and one piece to them,

1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:53.200
<v Speaker 1>everybody else for the Ukraine all don't want the same

1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:55.360
<v Speaker 1>for us in our own community. And I know this

1:00:55.520 --> 1:01:00.320
<v Speaker 1>with Dr Francis Fritz Weilson says you along, Blessing, I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna say I was gonna go to Ukraine next,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think you covered it a c That's it,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, because we got you crate. Ukraine is in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bronx. You know what I'm saying that Ukraine is

1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:15.439
<v Speaker 1>literally right, So you you're telling me they don't shut

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<v Speaker 1>they don't stab a little young boy up in six

1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:21.880
<v Speaker 1>years old yesterday in the Bronx. So as much as

1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:24.920
<v Speaker 1>my heart bleeds for everything that's going on Ukraine, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to acknowledge that we are at war in our

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<v Speaker 1>own country, you know. And and like you said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>watching the Vice President and just seeing just there was

1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:36.320
<v Speaker 1>a level there wasn't a level of energy, right, It

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<v Speaker 1>seems it seems that is she's just dealing with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in herself, just understanding like you said, they're noticing,

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<v Speaker 1>we're noticing that she's not being lifted and elevated. She's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Her voice is not being pushed in places that it

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<v Speaker 1>should be pushed where she has the right to talk,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, all the issues that are going on

1:01:55.360 --> 1:01:57.880
<v Speaker 1>our community. She should be the first one speaking up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, blacks, Blacks got this president elected, Black's got

1:02:01.840 --> 1:02:04.680
<v Speaker 1>this whole ticket elected. She should be her voice should

1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:07.240
<v Speaker 1>be elevant. Black women have been the backbone of the

1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party for how long? Her voice should be elevated.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, We're not seeing that and

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<v Speaker 1>just watching yesterday. You know, usually I'm enthused, even though

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that's going on inside of the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, inside of this administration I'm not happy with,

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<v Speaker 1>but usually just hearing her speak gives me a level. Okay,

1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:30.520
<v Speaker 1>she sounds strong, But I didn't get that. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get it, And I have to be honest, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get it. I didn't get it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was, I was. I was a little concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna I think we all kind of felt

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. And you know, people get tired and

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<v Speaker 1>it's hot, and there it was Selma, it was Selma.

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<v Speaker 1>It was your moment, Black Queen. It was your moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You was in Selma, you were speaking in front of

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<v Speaker 1>your constituents, your people in your backyard with that all

1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:58.040
<v Speaker 1>these people who died in sacrifice so you can be

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<v Speaker 1>where you are right now. You're supposed to leave that

1:03:00.440 --> 1:03:05.600
<v Speaker 1>place on fire. You know it wasn't. There wasn't what happened. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a learning experience for us too, because frankly,

1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:13.040
<v Speaker 1>vice presidents are supposed to be secondary to the president.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think this is a special case. Let's all

1:03:15.200 --> 1:03:17.960
<v Speaker 1>remember how she got there. This sister was not the

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<v Speaker 1>first choice. She is the vice president because Chris Dodd,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the former son of Chris Dodd, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the search committee chair for the vice president. When publicans

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<v Speaker 1>says she was too ambitious. This so that caused the reaction,

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<v Speaker 1>a viral reaction amongst women throughout the country, not just

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<v Speaker 1>black women at all. Women's wait a minute, you're punishing

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<v Speaker 1>her for being too ambitious. Now, because the movement said

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<v Speaker 1>you now have to respect her because you called ambitious,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't dispoalify her for being ambitious. That still does

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<v Speaker 1>not mean they don't think she's too ambitious. So okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll give me a job, But we ain't gonna let

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<v Speaker 1>you do nothing. We're gonna be seen. We're gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you don't have is big of a crowd

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<v Speaker 1>and someone else might have. Okay, you know, with so

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<v Speaker 1>all of those things, I think come into plane. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't apologize the same humans to ambisitionals. They just said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go ahead and give her the job. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a perilous place because right now we know Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>What Republicans have done. I'm about to think about this.

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<v Speaker 1>What Republicans have done is is moved to those two

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<v Speaker 1>extreme big words, big words to meet that Dr King

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<v Speaker 1>used at the Mansion Washington. He said, into position and nullification. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they had made that, they have modified that in law.

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<v Speaker 1>So now the Senate literally does not function. And Martin

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<v Speaker 1>the third calm, he said, Mark, what we gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, I'm sure we have to do. Tomard.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to ask ourselves, what would your father have

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<v Speaker 1>done if he had not had the power to get

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<v Speaker 1>legislation passed like he did When he was allowed the power.

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<v Speaker 1>Dr King, he not only continued on the street, but

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<v Speaker 1>by putting people in the streets, he got the six

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<v Speaker 1>four vot the Ta pass, he got the six five

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<v Speaker 1>six or se rights at pass, he got the UH

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five voter right Zack Path in sixty eight after

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<v Speaker 1>he died, because it was already in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>line in the opera. He got the fair House in

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<v Speaker 1>that pass that was passed the memory of Dr King

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<v Speaker 1>not long after the assassination. But that was the will

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<v Speaker 1>of the country at the time and the will of

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<v Speaker 1>the people in power to follow that lead. That was logical.

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<v Speaker 1>People in the streets people had demand you pads legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>If this Senate where in existence, when he would have

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<v Speaker 1>would have been allied and the seller buster would have

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<v Speaker 1>been in full of fad there every years today in

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<v Speaker 1>the forum that centivate not a talking fillibus Tom the

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<v Speaker 1>Lords mackban we would have we would have gotten none

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<v Speaker 1>of those pieces of legislative pass. And so the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to our problems, if is meditating and studying and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to understand what would Dr King have done? What do

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<v Speaker 1>we know? Max Malcolm ms Kain to Selma. See we

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<v Speaker 1>none of this was by accident, Malcolm kan the Selmer

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<v Speaker 1>it already been ounced it from the nation. He was

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<v Speaker 1>coming to Selma to join Dr king That was the plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm could have been killed at any time, but he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't killed until the King to Shelma. Two weeks after

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<v Speaker 1>he came to Solmer, met with Cretic Kings, went to

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<v Speaker 1>visit Dr Kenyan jail. They killed Malcolm X. The agreement

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<v Speaker 1>was that when Dr Kinge got out of jail he

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<v Speaker 1>was in jail and Birmingham at the time, did he

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<v Speaker 1>and Malcolm would go together together and petition United Nations

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<v Speaker 1>under the International Declaration of Human Rights in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>what our people were dealing with. Dr King agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>go with Malcolm. They were going to stand together. If

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm and Martin had been able to come together, stand

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<v Speaker 1>together and organize together, this whole country would have been

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<v Speaker 1>Father Jamie mm hmm. Knowing that mob man, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's what it is. Thank you, Mark, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. We knew you wouldn't right want to help

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<v Speaker 1>follow up uh to our Bloody Sunday experience. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to say that even though we are challenging,

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<v Speaker 1>we're asking questions, we're probing, we are concerned about what

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<v Speaker 1>we saw in Selma. We are concerned about this movement

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<v Speaker 1>in general, where we are today, we are challenging ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>What more can we do? I'm sure you have that conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with yourself all the time, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>great leaders do. You challenge yourself and you challenge what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on around you. But it does not take away

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<v Speaker 1>the importance of walking across that bridge every single year,

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<v Speaker 1>getting recommitted and getting refired up to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>your local communities and do the work. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>that having Latasha Brown and Cliff all Bright of Black

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<v Speaker 1>Gold does matter, and Barbara Online of Transformative Justice Coalition,

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<v Speaker 1>and Reverend Barbara there of the Poor People's Campaign, and

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Jesse Jackson and all the folks that are in

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<v Speaker 1>the room being together in that place. Those folks are busy.

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<v Speaker 1>You're busy. We got plenty, plenty of things to do,

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<v Speaker 1>including the fact that people have families. As my son said,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got to get back to his children. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>we still take the time to be together and to

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<v Speaker 1>show up in that space because every single day, the

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<v Speaker 1>fighting that we do on the ground, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>be reminded that there were people who suffered a greater

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice and challenge than we have um and and but

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<v Speaker 1>we have a responsibility to keep this work going. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to thank you for being you. You

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<v Speaker 1>have you deal with everybody's stuff, not just in Selma,

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<v Speaker 1>but in all of these situations, everything from the million

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<v Speaker 1>Man March to the marches on Washington, to the Women's

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<v Speaker 1>March to everything. We always can depend on Mark Thompson

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<v Speaker 1>to be at the center and to be a great voice.

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<v Speaker 1>And if anyone has ever if you missed it, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to pay attention to the fact that Mark Thompson

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<v Speaker 1>runs a program like nobody we know. Well, well, bless you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for having me. Let me just say, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>with the three of us have all under the sound

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<v Speaker 1>of our races is also irrevocable solidarity. We all got

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<v Speaker 1>to stick together. Our enemies are always constantly trying to

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<v Speaker 1>divide us. What me and this sister, this brother have

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<v Speaker 1>together is an irrevocable solidarity. We need that all with

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<v Speaker 1>each other. We need that with all of our movements

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<v Speaker 1>and our organizations. I come to Selma to get reenergized.

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<v Speaker 1>Selma is our political Eastern. There was blood, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a crucifixion. We come here. The people on their bridge

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<v Speaker 1>were crucified the top of that bridge was our political calberry.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can either wear crosses around our next we

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<v Speaker 1>can wear a little Selma bridges. That's all the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why people's blood was shared from the sins of

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<v Speaker 1>America to change this country. So we invite people to

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<v Speaker 1>come to sell them and get reenergized with all of

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<v Speaker 1>us and then get back out in the streets and fight,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of us stick together and not allow our

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<v Speaker 1>ins to divide us, to have the unity that Dr

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<v Speaker 1>King saught for which for which he was killed, up

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<v Speaker 1>for which Malcolm was killed. That is our calling, that

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<v Speaker 1>is our mission. That is what we must do as

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<v Speaker 1>a people. How can people follow your show? And because

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<v Speaker 1>you know you got to do your business. Your business

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<v Speaker 1>on here to Mark, So folks on Twitter, make a

1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:13.720
<v Speaker 1>plane on Instagram, minister with two teams on Facebook as well,

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<v Speaker 1>make a plane, make it plane dot com. Just look

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<v Speaker 1>at making plane. We are everywhere that make you plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Love you Mark, you mad I love you all too face.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Mark. Be safe All right, man, that was

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<v Speaker 1>really really good. I mean people need to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>what Mark said. I mean, we gotta find a way

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<v Speaker 1>because I know we put out clips of the show

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes folks, don't, you know, go and really listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the whole show and get the full context. Somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to really make sure that people get an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to hear what Mark just laid out, because it

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<v Speaker 1>was there was a lot that was in that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>short time that we had him on with us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot, man. Marca's Mark is like an encyclopedia. Man.

1:11:07.600 --> 1:11:11.599
<v Speaker 1>He's he's been around, he knows the history, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's able, like he's like his show, make it plain.

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<v Speaker 1>He's able to give it to you in context that

1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:20.479
<v Speaker 1>you can actually understand. And he's been around some of

1:11:20.520 --> 1:11:22.599
<v Speaker 1>the greats, and he's been in the room for the grades,

1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:25.240
<v Speaker 1>and he's organized and he's done so much. So it's

1:11:25.240 --> 1:11:27.760
<v Speaker 1>a blessing that we have someone that we can call

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<v Speaker 1>a brother with that level of expertise and knowledge in

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<v Speaker 1>this area. Man. So it's always always a pleasure just

1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:36.519
<v Speaker 1>to listen to Mark give it to you like you

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<v Speaker 1>give it to you. We learned so much. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the gems that he dropped on the end where he

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<v Speaker 1>talks about selma Um, I mean talks about Alcolm x right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>talk about where he explains how Malcolm X came to Selma.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that Malcolm and Martin were starting to get closer.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that they were sort of, you know, starting

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<v Speaker 1>to put their difference is aside and realizing that they

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<v Speaker 1>were more powerful as a unit. Uh, you know, time

1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:08.680
<v Speaker 1>ran out, but I think we are now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with us working with different groups and the way in

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<v Speaker 1>which we're trying to be intentional about our own work

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<v Speaker 1>and our own collaborations. That is a continuation of what

1:12:20.200 --> 1:12:23.840
<v Speaker 1>they were attempting to do. But every time we get

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<v Speaker 1>close to those things, and you think about the Women's

1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:30.760
<v Speaker 1>March and just so many different areas where this cointel

1:12:30.920 --> 1:12:35.519
<v Speaker 1>pro mindset seeps in. They know at this point to

1:12:35.720 --> 1:12:40.040
<v Speaker 1>kill us brutally, although they have killed some of our

1:12:40.280 --> 1:12:42.840
<v Speaker 1>foot soldiers that have been out there in places like

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<v Speaker 1>Ferguson and other places across the nation. So it is

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<v Speaker 1>not to say that they won't, but there are certain

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<v Speaker 1>individuals they've decided that, you know what will We killed

1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:56.040
<v Speaker 1>in the past, we created martyrs, We created a bigger moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of killing them physically, we now have this

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<v Speaker 1>thing where we will try to destroy and discredit them

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<v Speaker 1>um and make sure that people are not don't really

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<v Speaker 1>trust them enough, and we keep the communities dumbed down

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, the whatever kind of nonsense they continue

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<v Speaker 1>to pump into our minds every day. Just in in

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<v Speaker 1>in the spirit of that, you know, I've been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make my I don't get it go just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit left, you know, and go into certain things

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<v Speaker 1>that's of the culture, you know, and and just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about division, just talking about separation, just talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>they try to devalue us and disrespect and normalize this

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<v Speaker 1>level of disrespect and devalue on us. You know. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been you know, I'm always in the hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>community because that's what that's where I come from. I

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<v Speaker 1>come from hip hop, and I listened to music and

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<v Speaker 1>and and there was a story yesterday about Jill Button,

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<v Speaker 1>who is somebody that is cool with me. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>they have a group called slaughter House that they emminent

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<v Speaker 1>have signed. It was Joe Button's, it was Roy's five Nine's,

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<v Speaker 1>um Joel Ortiz and King Crooked Eye. These are the

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<v Speaker 1>dope lyricists, and so there's everybody. They never actually released

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<v Speaker 1>a real album that people wanted them to release the

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<v Speaker 1>album for some reason, the sort of House album never

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<v Speaker 1>really did what it was supposed to do, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people want one of them. Are yo.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Buttons had retired, roy said, you know, he had

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much moved away from it. Everybody had moved into

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<v Speaker 1>different areas and listening to Joe Welling and Crooked. They

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<v Speaker 1>somehow they got a deal on the table to do

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<v Speaker 1>a slor of House album, but the rest of them didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>When I don't know the particulars of it needed you

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<v Speaker 1>need to hit no there. They got a deal and um,

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<v Speaker 1>they I think they're releasing the project coming up shortly

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<v Speaker 1>called U the Death for the slaughter House or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there was a debate Royce and Joe Button's

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<v Speaker 1>is on their lives talking and Joel Ortiz came on

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<v Speaker 1>and they started talking about their issues, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are people that you know, to the most people,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like brothers. You know. This is they were in

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<v Speaker 1>the group. They alway have respect for each other. They

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<v Speaker 1>spoke up for each other. And during the conversation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were talking about the album and they were saying

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe Bunden said, yo, I wish you the best,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Joey c or whatever you wish it is

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<v Speaker 1>the best, and support the album, tell people to go

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<v Speaker 1>get the album. And and Joe said, and I quote

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<v Speaker 1>that album can suck my dick, right. So and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>listening to it and a lot of people say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't tell him to do this thing. And I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>when did we start normal as men? Because we I'm

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<v Speaker 1>from right, you don't utilize that language to another man.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just not a conversation you have like if I

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<v Speaker 1>was in prison. In prison, you could telling the man

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<v Speaker 1>that in the streets that was always fighting, where you

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<v Speaker 1>might get shot for saying that to it. Man, it

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<v Speaker 1>just in just in the conversation. You didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>utilize your private You didn't want to invite any man

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<v Speaker 1>to your private parts or invite or utilize that context

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<v Speaker 1>in a conversation where there was heated or disrespect. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a level of disrespect that you didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>even talk to unless you had real issues with him. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these are people that I call brothers, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna hit Joe privately and say something body,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a public thing and it's not really saying

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just I want to know not really about Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>but when did this become a thing? Like I watched

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<v Speaker 1>these young kids on the internet every day SMD you

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<v Speaker 1>can SMD, And I'm like, how did we get so

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<v Speaker 1>far to utilize levels of disrespect that once could have

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<v Speaker 1>got you killed and still can get you killed or

1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:57.960
<v Speaker 1>shot or harm if you say to the wrong person.

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<v Speaker 1>When did we normalize this level of disrespect to each other?

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<v Speaker 1>People that you that you what's had levels of good friendship?

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<v Speaker 1>How do we go from all right, we don't we

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<v Speaker 1>don't agree to SMD to saying things that you know

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<v Speaker 1>is a bit because and you can tell by the

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<v Speaker 1>reaction that Joel Teas had because he said it back

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<v Speaker 1>to him and then he made a statement like you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna wish you didn't say that, And it's like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>how did us as brothers and people in our communities

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<v Speaker 1>started utilizing language and in disrespect so fluently? And that's

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<v Speaker 1>and when we talk about the death and the violence

1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:38.760
<v Speaker 1>in our communities, it is because we've normalized disrespecting each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just don't get how that became a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't get how did we just get so

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable and just disrespecting and saying the worst things that

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<v Speaker 1>people say. Your mother, I wish your mother is like.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are things that when I grew up, it was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you you are must trying to kill somebody when you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about their mother or you invite them to your

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<v Speaker 1>private parts, you know. And I just really don't get

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<v Speaker 1>how did we allow a culture anything to to normalize disrespect,

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<v Speaker 1>to normalize seeing the most vulgar and disrespectful things that

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<v Speaker 1>we can in any context to each other as brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>just as men in general, you know, And it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like there is more trauma. I think it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>there's some other stuff going on. To your point, when

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<v Speaker 1>you say, well, um, you know, you're like, well, it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like they were brothers. But when people say things

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<v Speaker 1>like that to one another, it must be something deeper

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<v Speaker 1>going on. That's what it sounds like to me. But

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<v Speaker 1>I would just say that from the larger context, that's

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<v Speaker 1>just what's happening in the world, Like everything everywhere we turn,

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<v Speaker 1>even the way that young people deal with their parents,

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<v Speaker 1>even the way that young black men speak to their mothers.

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<v Speaker 1>I watch it every single day, how much how it

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's been Um, It's like it's the value

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<v Speaker 1>of a mother is not the same, and perhaps some

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<v Speaker 1>of these young people might say, well, my mother doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>act like the mothers of you know a different time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we as a people, all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>really have to start checking ourselves and realizing that even

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<v Speaker 1>in our level of frustration, we could be angry going

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<v Speaker 1>through different things, but there's time and place, there is

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<v Speaker 1>ways in which things should be said, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>we've gotten we've we maybe we're just like ticking tom bombs,

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<v Speaker 1>where everybody is just ready to go off and do

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<v Speaker 1>and say the worst things that we can to harm

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<v Speaker 1>another person because we really are her and inside maybe man,

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<v Speaker 1>just it saddens me that we've normalized this level of

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<v Speaker 1>disrespect and is directly correlates to the level of violence

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<v Speaker 1>in our communities, because when you normalize disrespect like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can and you can say the most disrespectful

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<v Speaker 1>and the worst things possible to just people that that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't really have any real animosity and real anger towards.

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<v Speaker 1>These are not your enemies. These are people that you've

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<v Speaker 1>been in community with, people that you've been in relation with,

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<v Speaker 1>people that you've been that you want to call family

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<v Speaker 1>when you can utilize certain terms where you can get

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<v Speaker 1>into argument with your brother and talking about you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>shoot them, or one of your family members said I'll

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<v Speaker 1>shoot you and I kill you. It's like, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you how do you want to harm someone that? How

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<v Speaker 1>do you how does it get that bad? How do

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<v Speaker 1>we get so comfortable with this level of disrespect or

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<v Speaker 1>just willing to take you completely out of here for disagreement.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like, man, we we have to do better,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in boyd Kind black murder, in this campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we have to talk about those things because

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<v Speaker 1>I've realized that those are direct correlations to what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in our communities. Man. So I want to I

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<v Speaker 1>want to start the healing man, because I'm just flabbergast

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<v Speaker 1>that I watched disagreements and arguments and they play out

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<v Speaker 1>on the in and and and it's public right. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I say all the time. When you publicize

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<v Speaker 1>negativity and you publicize, you know, conflicts, and you say

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<v Speaker 1>certain things to people, it's not just like you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>it in the room with me and you and we

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<v Speaker 1>could go out. There are people that you said this

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<v Speaker 1>in front of them, and the male ego says I

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<v Speaker 1>can't allow you to talk to me that way. And

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<v Speaker 1>then they have people who are gonna edge you on

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<v Speaker 1>and say, oh, you solved, and people see me, did

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<v Speaker 1>people watch you this de escalate the situation and tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that you solve? You know? But my ego is not.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any problem with that because the movement

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<v Speaker 1>in the trajectory that I'm on now, it's about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>de escalation, right I I don't have any ego. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that because I don't want to hurt you

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<v Speaker 1>or I don't want to fight with you makes me solve.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of people who don't bide by that.

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<v Speaker 1>They think you're trying to de escalate something means that

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<v Speaker 1>you're scared of you solved, and internet will you know,

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<v Speaker 1>project that continue to to heighten that sense of ideology.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we understand that, why would we publicly disrespect

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<v Speaker 1>people who don't have the emotional confidence and strength to

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<v Speaker 1>move past their ego that with this energy of violence

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be incentivized because now you don't disrespect this

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<v Speaker 1>person or perceived disrespect to a level that a million

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<v Speaker 1>people have seen, and they're gonna be deeming them and say,

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<v Speaker 1>oh you saw you ain't do nothing bad. You let

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<v Speaker 1>them talk to you like that, this and that, and

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<v Speaker 1>they gotta deal with that. It's like we just we

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<v Speaker 1>just gotta do better because you know, until we until

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<v Speaker 1>we acknowledge the problems in the way that violence and

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<v Speaker 1>negativity is spread in our communities, is no way that

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be able to stop it. M hm. So

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<v Speaker 1>with that said, we have another dope episode. Shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to our brother, one of our mentors, one of our educators,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Thom's and make a play. Make sure you go

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<v Speaker 1>to his show. Shout out to everybody. We didn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this, but March night today is the anniversary of

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<v Speaker 1>the passing of the late Great b I G. Biggie Smalls.

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<v Speaker 1>He's one of my influences. Man. I never got to

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<v Speaker 1>meet Biggie Smalls, but his music definitely inspired me into

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop. And when he meant so much to just

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop in general, not mainly to Brooklyn and New York,

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<v Speaker 1>but when he meant to hip hop in general was

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<v Speaker 1>something that has last untill now you know it's been

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<v Speaker 1>It's been about over two decades since Biggie's passed, and

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<v Speaker 1>he still has an impact that is unmatched. Only only

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<v Speaker 1>person that I see with that level impact is him

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<v Speaker 1>in Tupac. So shout out to the late Great b. I. G.

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<v Speaker 1>And shout out to his family, his daughters, his son,

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<v Speaker 1>his mother, everybody that he left here the WLD you

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind field, which is my family. Little Kim,

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<v Speaker 1>you know R I P. Today's Biggie Day. Salute you

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<v Speaker 1>the King. Yeah and I Yes, Biggie smoke baby baby.

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<v Speaker 1>With that said, I'm not gonna always be right to

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<v Speaker 1>make a matter is and that can always be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But we both always and I mean always be authentic,

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<v Speaker 1>solutely peace. That's how we owned