1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: I'm curious how it helps your evaluation when you have 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: a guy that's maybe playing at a lower level and 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: you see him dominating, but then you get to see 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: them against that sort of top tier talent college football. 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: How has that changed for you over the past couple 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: of years. 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's awesome. 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 4: It's been a huge opportunity for evaluators to be able 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 4: to look at these guys. 11 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: Step up in competition. 12 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 4: Anytime you have, you know, a big projection from the 13 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 4: level of competition to where you're going to go. You know, 14 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl was a good way to you know, 15 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 4: to see the playing field level a little bit and 16 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 4: see how they perform. But now you're getting a chance 17 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 4: to really see these guys challenge themselves. There's there's a 18 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 4: bunch of like, you know, two time transfers in this 19 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 4: draft that just climb the ladder. So I think it 20 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 4: makes life easier as an evaluator. I feel bad as 21 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 4: someone who went to Appalachian State that like schools like 22 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: the one I went to have been rated with their guys, 23 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: But from an evaluation standpoint, for they're going to do 24 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: at the next level. 25 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: It's made it a little bit easier. 26 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: And then the ability to pick up multiple skames. 27 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 28 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 4: One of the things is you bring guys from from 29 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 4: college of the NFL. How are they going to adjust 30 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 4: to having money? How are they going to adjust to 31 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 4: a new scheme, How are they going to adjust to 32 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 4: a new city. 33 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: A lot of these kids have had to deal with 34 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: all three of those things. It's an older draft. I'm 35 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 3: sure there's positives and negatives to that, and so how 36 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: do you I think? 37 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 4: I look, I if it's close between players and you 38 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 4: have a twenty year old and a twenty five year old, 39 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 4: obviously you're going to take the twenty year old. 40 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: But teams that are not as concerned with age. 41 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 4: You know that I've talked to you know, going through 42 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 4: this process a lot of times. The running joke is 43 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 4: that the contract, you know what second contract. It's like, well, 44 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 4: the GM's worried about his second contract, so let's try 45 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 4: and get four or five good years out of this player. 46 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: If he gives us that and we move on, it's 47 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 4: a good pick. 48 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: What are your thoughts of the edge class overall? 49 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: Maybe ranking it to the last decade you've been doing this. 50 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: I know you've talked about just how deep and talented 51 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: it is. Where's the kind of rank up there is? 52 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: Is it one of the better ones we've seen. 53 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 4: I think it's really I think it's really good. I 54 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: think it's really deep. I don't know, there's not a 55 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: Miles gar in my opinion, there's not a Nick Bosa, 56 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 4: you know those guys. We've had other years where we've 57 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: had guys carry bigger individual grades. But we have three 58 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 4: legit top ten players in this draft, and we've got depth. 59 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: I think you can get depth all the way into 60 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: the fourth round where you'll see guys making an impact 61 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 4: next year. 62 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a really good group. 63 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 5: Bill this year obviously made the coaching change and they're 64 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 5: probably going to change their defense. How challenging is it 65 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 5: for their staff, their scouting staff that's spent the whole 66 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 5: fall scouting maybe a particular way for a defense and 67 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 5: now they've got to do some different alterations or how 68 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 5: challenging is that for a staff? 69 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: I don't think. 70 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 4: I don't think it's as difficult as you think. Hey, 71 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 4: you know, you go and you watch the player, you 72 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 4: write up the report. You know, the strengths and weaknesses, 73 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 4: and you know only the difference would be okay, Well I 74 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 4: gave him this grade because of the fit. Well, now 75 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 4: that we're in a different scheme, you need to have 76 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 4: communication with your coaches to your scouts, which every time 77 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: there's a coaching change, you have your scouts together for meetings. 78 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 4: They'll bring in the coaches and say, Okay, for our 79 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 4: edge rushers, we kind of want a little more size 80 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 4: with what we do, whereas other team we can play 81 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: with a smaller linebacker. We need to really be able 82 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 4: to run. So then you just kind of change your 83 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: stack on the board. But it's not like you wasted 84 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 4: your time going there and evaluating the guy in the fall. 85 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 4: It's just okay, now this guy maybe gets a little 86 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: bit of a boost with the changes we've made. 87 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 6: Knowing what Jim Leonard did at Wisconsin and what they've 88 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 6: done in Denver the last couple of years, what are 89 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 6: a couple edge rushers that maybe the Bills could maybe 90 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 6: target at twenty six? 91 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: I think speed. 92 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 4: You know that Broncos defense has a lot of speed 93 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: off the edge. You look at the get off numbers. 94 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: You know there with Benito and Cooper, there are two 95 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 4: of the best in the league. So if you're looking 96 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: at fastball rushers and where they're picking, you know, Casius, 97 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 4: howel does he get there? You know from Texas, A 98 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 4: and M. I think there's a chance he runs in 99 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: the four fource here like he's got legit, legit giddy 100 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: up speed. So that would be one that would just 101 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: be right off the top of my head. And then 102 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: you know a guy like Malachi Lawrence out of UCF 103 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: maybe in the third round is another really good players, 104 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 4: got a great first step. But when you play the 105 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: Broncos and you play that defense last year, you know 106 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: some teams are going to test your brakes of your tackles, 107 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 4: and other teams are going to test your ability to 108 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: really get out and cover up speed. 109 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: They are speed speed speed. 110 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: And how would you evaluate the quarterback class outside of Mendoza. 111 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: I think there's some intriguing guys. 112 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: I don't think it's the you know, obviously, what we 113 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 4: saw two years ago with that group and the upper 114 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 4: rational on guys and seeing six of them come off 115 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: the board, I don't see that. But after Mendoza, you know, 116 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 4: ty Simpson's one that's fascinating. If you take that small 117 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: sample size of those good games early in the year, 118 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: you know, you can get excited about him. I went 119 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 4: back through this morning, was just watching more on him 120 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 4: and looked at all of his third and seven throws 121 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 4: that he made, and it was not an Alabama supporting 122 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 4: cast that you're accustomed to seeing. I mean, there is 123 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: a lot of pressure on him. There's not a lot 124 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 4: of guys uncovering down the field, so you can excuse 125 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 4: away maybe some of the drop off in performance late. 126 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: You can't run away from the fact that the limited 127 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: number starts. The track record there has not been good, 128 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 4: but you can find really good tape on him, so 129 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 4: there's intrigue with him. And then after that, I think 130 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: get into you know, Carson Beck, who I think is 131 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 4: going to have a little bit of a rise up 132 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 4: as we go through the rest of the process because 133 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 4: he's big, he's won a lot of games, he's played 134 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 4: a lot of games. You know how he does to 135 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 4: the interview process and it will be important. But I 136 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 4: think he'll spend the ball really well. And then you 137 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 4: get to like nuss Meyer, you know who's Day two 138 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: pick for me? You know, Drew Aller, that's a that's 139 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: a tough one to figure out. But again, you've got 140 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: the size and you know it's incredibly intelligent and Bright 141 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 4: didn't have a lot of you know, talent the receiver 142 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 4: position with him. Is that a third round? Is that 143 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 4: a fourth round? So I think there's intriguing guys. I 144 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 4: just don't think that we have you know, a year 145 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 4: we're going to see three, four, five of these guys 146 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 4: go in the first forty picks. 147 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 7: They're in kind of a tricky spot. You know, they 148 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 7: have no safeties currently on their roster. I'm backers have 149 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 7: some long term injuries, but everybody is talking about getting 150 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 7: to the quarterback. Ryan Bole said he wants speed on defense. 151 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 7: How do you see this process playing out for Chicago 152 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 7: the next two months. 153 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 4: I'd be excited if i WI because most times, you 154 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: you know your team in the past, it's had some struggles. 155 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 4: You come in here and you're like, well, gosh, we 156 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 4: don't have We hope we got the right coach. We 157 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 4: hope our quarterback is going to pan out, or we're 158 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 4: looking for a quarterback. So having those pillars taken care 159 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 4: of this is the easy part. You know, find safeties 160 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 4: who can run and cover. You know, you're going to 161 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 4: be able to find those every draft. In the second, third, 162 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 4: fourth round, there's going to be options for you of 163 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: guys who can come in and play and contribute. They've 164 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: got the pillars in place. The offensive line is in 165 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 4: a pretty good spot right now. So getting some edge 166 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 4: rushers and some you know, some dynamic edge rushers. 167 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: This is a good draft to do that. 168 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 4: And if you're looking at the safety position, you know 169 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: day two, you know, even into the fourth round there's 170 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 4: good players. 171 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 6: Jeremiah Love to the Chiefs, what are some pivots maybe 172 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 6: that you considered, and even trading back potential for Kansas City? 173 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, there's I think every team is that 174 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 4: I've talked to, and it's always the same at this 175 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: time of the year, is hey, do you think we 176 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: can trade back. I'm still waiting for the first team 177 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 4: that's like, hey, we'd really like to trade up in 178 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: this draft. But you know, Kansas City, I look at 179 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: it a little different. You could say, okay, we could 180 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 4: trade back and fill a couple needs. How often is 181 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 4: Kansas City going to be picking here to get a 182 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: blue chip, impact player that's going to be cost control 183 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 4: for the next four or five years. I tend to 184 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 4: say like, look, hey, maybe one of these edge rushers 185 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: falls to us. If Jeremiah loves there, I think the 186 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: second best player in the draft a chance to get 187 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: a cheap, blue chip caliber player. To me, I think 188 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 4: I fall more in line with that than the trade back. 189 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 8: And wide receivers is a position that's always people always 190 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 8: excited about what are the traits that you think make 191 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 8: our most important to this games game? When you're looking 192 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 8: at classes and what do you think of this class 193 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 8: from the strengths from its top to bottom. 194 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's again with the edge rushers and the receivers. 195 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 4: I think there's all different flavors and in terms of 196 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: some teams are just shopping for different things. But when 197 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: I look at wideouts and guys that have hit and 198 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 4: been successful really over the last seven or eight years, 199 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: I think, you know some of the underrated components of it. 200 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 4: Our guys that have play strength. They're really strong. They're 201 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 4: strong with their hands to the catch, they're grounded through 202 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: the catch, they run through the ball. They don't have 203 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: to leave their feet and cradle the ball like you 204 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 4: think about. Puka Nakou is a great example of that. 205 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: Js N's another great example of that, I'm a Ross 206 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 4: Saint Brown. These are not little spinley guys like these 207 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 4: are strong, sturdy guys, and they're sturdy through the catch, 208 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 4: they're sturdy after the catch. So that's become a big 209 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: thing for me. And I also think even when you 210 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: get into the postseason, we talk separation, separation, separation, Well, 211 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: you play the better defenses, the better teams. In the postseason, 212 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 4: there's just not going to be a lot of separation. 213 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: You're going to have to be a ball winner and 214 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 4: someone who's physically strong. And then the other component is like, 215 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 4: you know, mentally mentally sharp. You know, you look at 216 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 4: JSN came in with that reputation, Abuka, who had some 217 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 4: immediate success, came in with that reputation. T Mac with 218 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 4: the Panthers was an incredibly bright football guy. So I 219 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: think those are some of the underrated components, not just 220 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: how fashion around, how high you jump. 221 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 5: Hey, Daniel Wills down around that sixty area in the 222 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 5: second round. 223 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: Receiver wise, what are you thinking there? 224 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 5: I mean, if they go that way, who's going to 225 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 5: be a good pick of that spot? 226 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's going to be good options there. 227 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's you know, Jeremy Bernard from 228 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: Alabama is someone that's intriguing to me. In that portion 229 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 4: of the draft. I would have said, you know, before 230 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl, maybe you have a shot at a 231 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 4: Malachi Fields from Notre Dame at that point in time. 232 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 4: But I think he's probably off the board, you know 233 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: when you get there. But you know there's going to 234 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 4: be a laundry list of intriguing options there, just depending 235 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 4: on you know, what you're looking for. I like the 236 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 4: bigger guys. Brasle from Tennessee is going to be a 237 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 4: little bit of a wildcard. I think teams are all 238 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 4: over the map. Some view him as you know, early 239 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 4: second round, maybe even sneaks into the first. Others think 240 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: of him more as a as a third round receiver. 241 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: But that's a big frame that can run. 242 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: Arvel Reese, especially his potential as a pass rusher. 243 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: He's exciting, you know. 244 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: To me, We've been talking a lot about comparisons with 245 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: players and with him obviously when people talk about Michael 246 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 4: Parsons because off the ball, on the ball, how to 247 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: use him, you know, rangey, dynamic player. I guess I 248 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: age myself with this one a little bit, but I 249 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 4: almost see a little bit of Clay Matthews when he's 250 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 4: come out of USC. We had the same discussions, you know, 251 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: is he going to be an off the ball linebacker? 252 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 3: Is he going to rush? 253 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 4: And turns out he could do either, but he ended 254 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 4: up having more impact coming off the edge. And I 255 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 4: think most of the guys who've had that decision to make, 256 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 4: and teams that have had that decision to make, if 257 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: they can do both, they prefer you to come off 258 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: the edge. I think that's where he ends up. He's 259 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: not you know, he's not polished. There's still development in 260 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 4: terms of a rush plan in those things. But God 261 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 4: gave that dude a lot, a lot of tools. I 262 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 4: mean he is he is big, long, explosive, he plays hard. 263 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 4: He just needs to develop a little bit of a 264 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 4: rush plan. 265 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 8: Hard to answer this, but what's been when you see 266 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 8: a Brian hartline receiver? Like, what are the common traits 267 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 8: you mentioned to Buka and Jason and then we're just 268 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 8: take kind of rank with the gosh mclass four or 269 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 8: five years. 270 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:50,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say polished, you know, polished, professional. They've 271 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: all been really smart, you know, to go back to 272 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 4: the previous point, but from a development standpoint, they are 273 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: so far ahead of everybody else that's coming from the 274 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: other places. 275 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 3: The guy has just been exceptional. 276 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of times you know a 277 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 4: five star kid and it's like, oh, Brian Hartlin is 278 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 4: an elite recruiter, and I'm like, you know, look, I 279 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 4: don't have a relationship with him. I've talked to him 280 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 4: a couple of times, so it's not like I'm doing 281 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: a buddy of favor. But he's developed these guys, He's 282 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 4: coached these guys, He's instilled in them a professionalism, a 283 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: work ethic. You talk to the coaches that have had 284 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 4: all these players that have come out of there, it's 285 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 4: it's hard to see those guys not being successful for 286 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 4: for how they've been trained. Yeah, tait Is you know, 287 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 4: to me, like, if you're going to do the different 288 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 4: styles of players, I would say more similar to a lave. 289 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 4: But you know, just he can really get gain ground 290 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 4: and get up top and can be a home run 291 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 4: hitter while also having the fluidity and the flexibility to 292 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: run you know, any route you need to run. But 293 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: I to me, I view him as where JSN is 294 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: going to catch a hundred plus balls. I view him 295 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: as someone who's going to probably catch seventy eighty balls, 296 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 4: but he's going to have a high yards per catch, 297 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 4: and then he's going to be someone in the red 298 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: zone that can really make plays. 299 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 9: Daniel the Ravens the way you do, could you see 300 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 9: this as a draft for them where they sort of 301 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 9: go back to their roots and focus. 302 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: On, you know, big guys and building up the trenches. Yeah, 303 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 3: I think big guys. 304 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 4: I think defensively, you know, it's just there's such immense 305 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 4: pride and that building for how you play defense and 306 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: it hasn't been up to their standard. So you know, 307 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 4: when they're at their best, they are big. They're big everywhere. 308 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: You know, it's not just all like big DT's or 309 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: some big edge setting guys, but big corners, you know, 310 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 4: big linebackers, like they want to be kind of a bully, 311 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 4: and I think they got away from that a little bit. 312 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 4: And when there's some finesse players, some speed players that 313 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: they brought in, I looked at them trying to get 314 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 4: back to that that tenacity in that style. 315 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 9: If AJ Brown stayed in Philadelphia, is there a wide 316 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 9: receiver on Day two or Day three that was just 317 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 9: a few touches of game could impact it for the 318 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 9: Eagles right after the catch player, maybe somebody with speed 319 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 9: that might fit that offense. 320 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the obvious one to me would be 321 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: Omar Cooper Junior, who that's like one of the most 322 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 4: fun players to study and watch. I think he's gonna 323 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 4: end up in first round when it's all said and done. 324 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 4: But that's the style of player that you're talking about, 325 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: someone who can really catch and run make things happen 326 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 4: after the play. There's a much smaller version of that. 327 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 4: Antonio Williams at a Clemson is excellent with the ball 328 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 4: in his hands, run after catch. I think he's a 329 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 4: really intriguing player in that mix as well. So it's 330 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: a long list of receivers, but I will say I 331 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 4: mean AJ's two hundred and twenty five pounds and move 332 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 4: like that. You don't usually find a lot of those 333 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 4: guys on a yearly basis, So it's going to be 334 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: a little hard. 335 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 3: If you're a GM. 336 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 9: Where's the value in taking a nose tackle? I know 337 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 9: there's some good ones in this draft, but again, where's 338 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 9: that value based on the way the game is played. 339 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 4: I think everything's come full circle. When I started scouting 340 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: in three, it was, you know, we can have you know, 341 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 4: value in a player that's maybe a two down player. 342 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 4: He's dominant against the run, he can anchor then against 343 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 4: double teams who play a gap in a half. And 344 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 4: then it went, okay, well, we're a passing league, and 345 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: if you can't rush the passer from inside, you can't 346 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 4: take that player in the first round. You can't take 347 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 4: him high. They don't carry the value. And now we've 348 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 4: kind of come back where we've got all this shell 349 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 4: coverage and too high safeties where you have to be 350 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 4: able to stop the run with fewer bodies. So now 351 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 4: that value is there. Now Seattle cracked the code. They 352 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 4: got two elite, elite players and Murphy and Leonard Williams. 353 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 3: Who can do both. 354 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 4: They can hang in their anchor run, play two gaps, 355 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 4: and then they can also rush the pass or They're 356 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 4: gonna to pay a premium for those guys. But like 357 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 4: in this draft, a player like McDonald, where I think 358 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: most teams say, you know, in the heyday of the 359 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 4: like the Chiefs offense, the Rams offense, like where those 360 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: where that was going. It was like, well, you can't 361 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: take him in the first rounds he's going to be 362 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: more of a run stuff or I think now it's 363 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 4: kind of maybe coming back to that type of a 364 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 4: player having more value. Well, he's a version of that 365 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 4: tight ends and you know more twelve thirteen personnel. 366 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: And how does that impact the draft this year of 367 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 3: teams maybe chasing that position. 368 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, again, go back to you know, Seattle on the 369 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 4: Rams playing with a lot of tight ends, using heavy personnel, 370 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: having guys that can put their hand in the ground 371 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 4: and aren't just going to and be you know, athletic, 372 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 4: you know. 373 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: Glorified big slot receivers. 374 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 4: So you know, this this draft doesn't have like the 375 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 4: high end guys like we had last year with Levelin 376 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 4: and Warren. You know, his hand in the ground traditional wise, 377 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 4: that can do everything. I don't think we really have 378 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: that here. Sadik from from Oregon's We'll see how big 379 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: he is, but probably a little under six three or 380 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: at six three two forty five, probably more of a 381 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 4: move player. But you know, I've talked about him with 382 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 4: other with different teams and they said we already got 383 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: a tight end. I'm like, yeah, but he can be 384 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 4: the complimentary tight end and you can he can block 385 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: and do those things. 386 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: So having tight ends that. 387 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: Are well rounded, even if they're the move guy and 388 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: not the hand in the ground guy. I think teams 389 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: are looking for that wouldazing I. 390 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 6: Hill Junior in this class, a three year sert of 391 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 6: Texas that moved all the way around that defense, and 392 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 6: a year ago. 393 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: Was a top fifteen conversation that the guy. 394 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I hadn't done him until this year, 395 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: so that I had no context of what the expectation was. 396 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: But I think he's absolutely in the mix, you know, 397 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: for being a first round player. He's big, he's fast. 398 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: I like the fact that he plays with a lot 399 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: of energy. I was talking to some teams that have 400 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: gone through interviews, you know, talking about players, and his 401 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: name popped up as someone who's handled himself. They'll scout 402 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: will talk about like he handles himself like a mic, 403 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: like he's he's got a presence about him. He's a 404 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: really good communicator. So you put that together with some 405 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 4: size and anxious to watch him work out. But he 406 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 4: plays really fast. Now that's something that teams are going 407 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: to cover it. 408 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 5: Talk about DJ, what is your biggest hit in your 409 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 5: biggest miss in your crash? 410 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: The hits don't really I don't you rarely remember the 411 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: hits like those are the ones you forget quickly. 412 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: You know. 413 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 4: I during my scouting days, there was a group of us. 414 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 4: It wasn't me, it was a group of us that 415 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: on Kelsey. So I always tell the story like, Hey, 416 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 4: what's your greatest hit? What's your greatest miss? I'm like, well, 417 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 4: we took Kelsey in the sixth round before I pat 418 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: myself in the back. If Danny Watkins in the first round, 419 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: I endorse both. So you got to you gotta wear 420 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 4: the good with the bad. 421 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 6: You know, when you talk tackles, the top two in 422 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 6: this class, how high could you see them rising in 423 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 6: the first round? Team like the Giants the right tackle 424 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 6: uncertain future with the lumin Ar, do you think that 425 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 6: they could. 426 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: Prioritize that picktar? 427 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 6: What's maybe holding them back from taking Fano or Mali Noa? 428 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 4: I think the good players avam is Malinoi's my twelfth player, 429 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 4: Final is my fourteenth player. So maybe a little bit 430 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 4: higher than I have them graded. But you know, if 431 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 4: you want an offensive lineman, you got to take them early. 432 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: You know, these guys are all gone when you study. 433 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 4: You know, the top teams in the league for the 434 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: most part, all their you know, their tackles are premium picks, 435 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 4: so you have to almost get uncomfortable with where you 436 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: take him if you want one, or you just won't 437 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 4: get one. 438 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 3: So, you know, sorting those. 439 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 4: Two guys out, I started out with with Fano and 440 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 4: then Mali nooah, they're totally different. Final is a little 441 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 4: more dynamic and twitching, explosive and more of a mover, and. 442 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 3: Mauio is powerful. 443 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 4: You know, I thought Mawnoi was going to be three 444 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 4: hundred and twenty three hundred and fifteen, three hundred twenty pounds, 445 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 4: and then just over the last ten days I found 446 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: he played like three forty five with like less than 447 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 4: twenty percent body fat. 448 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: Like he is. 449 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 3: A strong, sturdy dude. 450 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 4: So you know, I think they're both grade wise and 451 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 4: maybe that's a little bit early, but again, you know, 452 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 4: we still always have that conversation about corners when we're 453 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 4: in the draft room. 454 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: It's like, well, I think he's a third round. 455 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 4: He's like, well, we're never going to get him then, 456 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 4: because you have to move those guys up the board 457 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 4: or you won't see these corners tackles. 458 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: That's just the way it goes. 459 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 4: You size up Proctor and Freely. Yeah, Proctor's like two 460 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 4: different human beings. So you watch him in the opener 461 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 4: against Florida State, and you know it was total. He 462 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 4: came into camp around three hundred and ninety pounds and 463 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 4: he was heavy. He looked heavy footed, he was slow, 464 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 4: and he struggled and then he got himself into shape. 465 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 4: You get to the later tape later in the year 466 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 4: and you see the athleticis he's got great feat for 467 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 4: a big guy. I think he got down in the 468 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 4: three fifties. And we'll see how he shows up here. 469 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: I anticipate he'll show up in shape. But when he's 470 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 4: in shape, he's He's as talented as any alignment in 471 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 4: this draft. So that's going to be the question he 472 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 4: has to answer. And then with Monroe Freeling wasn't you 473 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 4: know it hasn't doesn't have a ton of experience, but 474 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 4: he's got an ideal NFL frame he's got. He's really 475 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 4: athletic and explosive. His tape just a little bit of 476 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: a roller coaster ride. So he's not a developed product yet. 477 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: And order Kyle Lewis. 478 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 8: Had hit he was adamant about sticking to linebacker, get 479 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 8: a really strong on Senior Bowl Week. Do you see 480 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 8: a space for him in the league at linebacker? Where 481 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 8: do you have him to year boards? 482 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 483 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 4: To me, I think he's a Day two pick. I 484 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: think he's a plug and play guy. He's a little 485 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 4: lesser version of Swetzinger who we saw as a defensive 486 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year last year. You know, just maybe 487 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 4: a little undersized, but can run and cover like Kyle 488 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 4: Lewis can cover. So having somebody like that that can 489 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 4: match up with tight ends and backs, he can fool around, 490 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 4: mess with slot receivers as well, like that is an 491 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 4: outstanding trait that he possesses. So, you know, linebackers that 492 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 4: can run, maybe a little undersized. We'll see it with 493 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson, New Justin Jefferson from Alabama in this class, 494 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 4: who's going to be around two hundred twenty pounds and 495 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 4: might run in the four threes. 496 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: Like It's we talk. 497 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 4: About the league getting bigger, but yet there's still a 498 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 4: place for those guys, especially when you're in nickel, when 499 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 4: you're in sub and you can get those guys out there, 500 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 4: let them run and. 501 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 7: Cover what offensive coordinators are getting wiped out, Like every year. 502 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 7: At the NFL level, quarterbacks are finding success on their 503 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 7: second third team sometimes and now you've got a lighter 504 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 7: quarterback class. I'm just what are it's your perspective on 505 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 7: where we're at from a development standpoint at the quarterback position. 506 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of the development, and you know, 507 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 4: unfortunately has to take place at the college level, you know, 508 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 4: and that's why we've made there's been an emphasis on 509 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 4: guys who started a lot of games. You know, Bo 510 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 4: Nicks playing a lot of football in college I think 511 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 4: really helped him as he moved on to the National 512 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 4: Football League. 513 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 3: You know. 514 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 4: It's just it's hard to develop these guys when when 515 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 4: the the backstory is when the salary cap changed, or 516 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 4: when the when the rookie signing structure changed after Stafford 517 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 4: and Bradford and all that, where now it's not quite 518 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 4: as cost prohibitive to go back in the quarterback market. 519 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 4: That the window has shrunk for quarterbacks to be successful 520 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 4: where it's two years in and hey we're moving on, 521 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 4: in Josh Rosen's case, one year and you move on. 522 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 4: So your your expectations that have risen and you don't 523 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 4: really have as much time to get those guys developed, 524 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 4: and there's a mental pressure on coaches to win right now, 525 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 4: get them up to speed, or else we move on. 526 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 4: I mean the Minnesota Vikings are having this, you know, 527 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 4: same situation right now with JJ McCarthy. How do you 528 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 4: balance being patient and giving him time versus like, we 529 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 4: got to win, we gotta get going right now. So 530 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: it's never been more challenging. I think we're going to 531 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 4: see more of these reclamation projects success stories, you know, 532 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 4: Sam and Baker. 533 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: I do think we're going to see more of that. 534 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: We'll see what. 535 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 4: Happens with Mac Jones, you know, he gets another opportunity somewhere. 536 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: Malik Willis is looking like he's going to be highly 537 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 4: sought after. So we're going to see a lot more 538 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 4: of these guys who were talented enough to be first 539 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 4: round picks on teams that didn't have the luxury of 540 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 4: being patient enough with them get opportunities elsewhere. 541 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: Jay, how would you rank the three pass rushers this 542 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: year kind of at the top with Reese and Bain 543 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: and Bailey? How would you compare them to previous classes? 544 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: Would you have them ranked pretty high in previous classes? 545 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: And wish do you think would be the best fit 546 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: for the Tennessee Titans. 547 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you a quick cook one there. So 548 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 4: I have Bailey first. I think he's the most polished 549 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 4: of the pass rushers. He's got elite, elite juice off 550 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 4: the edge, he's got a long track record of being 551 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 4: able to do it. I feel like he's safe. But 552 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 4: he had offers upside, So there, Reese has the most 553 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 4: in his body, the most upside there. It's going to 554 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: take some tutelage and some development with him as a 555 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: rusher if he's going to make that full time transition. 556 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 4: And Bain is just he's he's a bully, he's a 557 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 4: He's a very physical, tough, rugged player. And when you 558 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: look around some of the top guys in the league 559 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 4: right now, you know two Ley Twey Polow two is 560 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 4: a great example. I think he got thirteen and a 561 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: half sacks. Khalil Max made a career out of rushing. 562 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 4: With that style of rush, Bain brings an identity and 563 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 4: a temperament to it. So I say that as him 564 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 4: and the third rusher, but I think I think there's 565 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 4: a good chance that could be the perfect fit for Tennessee. 566 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 4: Him and Jeffrey Simmons, Robert Sala trying to build a 567 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 4: real physical group with Jacksonville is a physical team. Indy 568 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 4: wants to be a physical team. Houston wants to be 569 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 4: a physical team. So I think Bain in Tennessee makes 570 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 4: a lot of sense and regard. 571 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: The Steelers needs and how should they address them. 572 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 4: The Steelers, they've done a good job with the offense 573 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: and defensive line. They need some skill, so getting another receiver, 574 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 4: finding a corner, I think they go after, you know, 575 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 4: focusing on bigs. 576 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: I think they go littlest sense