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Speaker 1: My long term boyfriend wants to work with his ex.

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Speaker 1: I want to end things. Work cow, Yeah, but type

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Speaker 1: of work are they doing and why would you even

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Speaker 1: want to work this out? This is driving me a

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Speaker 1: little insane. My boyfriend, let's call him Isaac, has his

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Speaker 1: own podcast. It's finally starting to blow up a little

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Speaker 1: due to privacy and me quite literally being on a

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Speaker 1: few of the episodes. I'm not naming the talk show

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Speaker 1: slash podcast. He also has a YouTube that's recently gained

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Speaker 1: quite a following. He's nowhere near famous, but he's finally

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Speaker 1: starting to be recognized. I used to be the main

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Speaker 1: co host, but I've been too busy with work lately

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Speaker 1: to be overly active on the show. No, she's stepping out.

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Speaker 2: No tell us, you can't do this the youtubeer beef,

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Speaker 2: that's happening right now.

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Speaker 3: I need to know, babe.

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Speaker 4: We can figure it out. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we canu it? Holy cow, Okay, sorry, I just need

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Speaker 4: to know. I gotta know this.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this comes from the levels sixty six

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Speaker 1: four eight on the Best of editor Updates subreddit. So

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Speaker 1: obviously you can't have a podcast with one person. I

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Speaker 1: mean you could you could if you had a Reddit podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's kind of boring. So Isaac told me

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Speaker 1: he found someone to have as a more constant co

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Speaker 1: host when I'm not available. I told him that was

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Speaker 1: great and asked him who it was. He told me

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Speaker 1: her name was Abigail and sent me her Instagram. It

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Speaker 1: didn't seem like he was hiding anything, so everything felt fine.

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Speaker 1: But after a week later, we were having dinner with

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Speaker 1: our friend group when Isaac's best friend Josh told me

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Speaker 1: in front of everyone that he was surprised about how

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Speaker 1: cool I was with Isaac working with his ex fling. Josh,

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Speaker 1: you messy boysh Josh. Let's say my reaction was the

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Speaker 1: complete opposite of cool hot. I was more upset that

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Speaker 1: Isaac lied to me than anything. Why would he feel

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Speaker 1: the need to lie about something like that. I like

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Speaker 1: to consider myself pretty laid back about these kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: Would I have felt awkward, Yes, But the show is

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Speaker 1: recorded in the apartment that me and Isaac share, and

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Speaker 1: I seriously don't see him cheating on me. Were really

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Speaker 1: serious and have been talking about marriage lately. But the

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Speaker 1: fact that he lied it's the only red flag he's

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Speaker 1: really shown me, but I just feel really weird about it.

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Speaker 1: When we got home, I made him talk to me

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Speaker 1: about it. About a year before he met me, he

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Speaker 1: met Abigail and had a friends with benefits relationship with her.

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Speaker 1: Apparently he ended things with her because he wanted something

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Speaker 1: more serious, something with labels, and she didn't. Once again,

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Speaker 1: not that disturbing or weird, but he still lied to me,

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Speaker 1: and the way that his best friend said it was

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Speaker 1: almost in awe like the idea was unbelievable, making me

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Speaker 1: think there's more to the story. I told Isaac I

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Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable with him and Abigail because if he

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Speaker 1: felt the need to lie to me about working with

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Speaker 1: an x fling, it's probably not the best idea. He

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Speaker 1: said he really needed someone who could be a constant

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Speaker 1: co host on the show if I couldn't, and I

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Speaker 1: said he would just have to find someone else. Because

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Speaker 1: I was not comfortable with this, I told him maybe

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Speaker 1: I would have been if he didn't lie, but he

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Speaker 1: lost that chance. I kept going far enough to say

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Speaker 1: if he had kept talking to her, I might have

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Speaker 1: to reconsider our relationship. He eventually agreed, but he's been

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Speaker 1: giving me the silent treatment for the last couple days.

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Speaker 1: Our friend group knows what happened. Due to the mid

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Speaker 1: dinner announcement, it split fifty to fifty. Some of my

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Speaker 1: friends think I should cut him some slack, and he

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Speaker 1: didn't mean to lie, mean to lie. He just didn't

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Accident.

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Speaker 1: It was just a little accident.

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Speaker 4: I think I wanted to do this.

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Speaker 1: You forced my hand. They're saying Isaac is a good

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Speaker 1: guy who just didn't want to hurt my feelings. But

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Speaker 1: I have a really bad feeling about this now. I'm

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Speaker 1: worried I really did overreact. Other things like this have

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Speaker 1: But so many of our friends are saying I'm overreacting

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Speaker 1: I love Isaac. I'm willing to keep trying for him.

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Speaker 1: I just can't get the sick feeling out of my stomach.

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Speaker 1: The friends on my side think I should continue to

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Speaker 1: and there is an edit and I think it update.

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Speaker 1: But what do we think?

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Speaker 5: I think two things. One, if he really yeah, it

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Speaker 5: kind of to what she was saying. If it really

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Speaker 5: would have been upfront yeah about saying that. And then also,

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Speaker 5: I don't know what where you live, but let's just

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Speaker 5: assume you live in America.

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Speaker 3: There's there's three hundred and thirty.

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Speaker 4: Three to thirty.

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Speaker 5: Five nine nine nine nine people. Yeah, million people that

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Speaker 3: You know of.

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Speaker 1: One you need to do it with your ex friends

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Speaker 1: with benefits?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, one out of three hundred and thirty six million.

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Speaker 5: You have to choose that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, let me ask you this, John, Let me

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Speaker 1: riddle me this.

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Speaker 3: I will riddle if you.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, you know, you find Sam, you've been working

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Speaker 1: with him for a bit, and then your girlfriend says, John,

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Speaker 1: you can't perp with Sam. It's over. You know what

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Speaker 1: the but he hasn't done anything. He hasn't done You

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Speaker 1: guys had an X flame you know.

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Speaker 5: Well here's the crazy thing. We are now work husbands. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and we do have children.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, some bonds are so strong you have to

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Speaker 3: keep all of them. Yeah, you know I have so

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Speaker 3: much I have so much love to get.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't imagine not loving any any of these people

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Speaker 5: you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: He's staying, So he's staying.

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Speaker 1: He's staying sometimes in that three hundred and sixty five thousand, million, million,

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Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days of the year in people, Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's just one.

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Speaker 3: There's just that one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, storytime host, you know what I mean. Edit For

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Speaker 1: all of the people going straight to break up, I

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Speaker 1: do want to make it known that I really love

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Speaker 1: this man. We've been dating for four years. We have

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Speaker 4: She's a cat.

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Speaker 1: I understand that ending things might be the only option,

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Speaker 1: but right now I want to focus more on advice

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Speaker 1: than hearing how I should end things. Isaac has been

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Speaker 1: with me during one of the hardest periods of my life,

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Speaker 1: losing my sister. He is strong and kind and in

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Speaker 1: the nicest possible way an airhead. How was the nicest

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Speaker 1: possible way an airhead? Breaking up becomes necessary, we'll switch gears.

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Speaker 1: But all I need right now is some brutal honesty

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Speaker 1: and advice on what I should say to him. And

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Speaker 1: Edit two. He does have another job due to the

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Speaker 1: fact that we can't survive off my money and the

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Speaker 1: podcast alone. He works today and I work tonight. I'll

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Speaker 1: only have an hour to talk to him, and I

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Speaker 1: so I'm going to wait until I'm off on Friday.

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what to say, but I'll figure

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Speaker 1: it out and thank you for all the responses, and

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Speaker 1: I'll make sure to update there is an update.

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Speaker 3: It seems like he's being reluctant to like, oh of

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Speaker 5: She's saying that because he wasn't upfront with it, she

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Speaker 1: We yes, I think right now in the edits, what

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to break up because we have our lives

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Speaker 1: are kind of yeah, yeah, intertwined, but she's considering it.

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Speaker 1: That's I think where we've left off.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you go and you're like, like, I'm not even

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Speaker 5: trying to say this in a threatening way, but like,

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Speaker 5: I very much don't want this to like snowball into

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Speaker 5: something that would end our relationship, Like, do you have

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Speaker 3: Just do some solo.

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Speaker 5: Episodes and episodes with your girlfriend until you find a replacement.

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Speaker 3: And another detail. Uh, he works full.

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Speaker 5: Time, so this isn't jeopardizing his full It's not like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is an episode, Oh I make like twenty five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just has to choose which is a priority

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Speaker 5: Some guests circulating. Yeah, what I guess what is your priority? Look,

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Speaker 5: yeah that's your choice. To me, you've already it could

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Speaker 1: Yeah if you had not lied, But since you've lied,

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Speaker 3: Say to him?

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Speaker 5: Like, basically I'm considering breaking up over this, Like should

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Speaker 5: you communicate that?

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Speaker 1: Do you think I think that leans into ultimatum? But

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Speaker 1: I think communication is need a needed. I think just

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Speaker 1: saying hey, you really kind of broke my trust here,

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Speaker 5: I like that much better because it's kind of hard

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Speaker 5: to mention breaking up without it feeling like an ultimatum

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Speaker 5: or like like not coercing, but maybe coercial, Like it

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Speaker 5: feels too strong and heavy when that is true, like literally,

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Speaker 5: it's like, hey, the trust is broken. Yeah, and yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think that's that's much better than what I said.

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Speaker 1: But there was an update. Oh, I was diagnosed with

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Speaker 1: severe anxiety was when I was ten years old. I

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Speaker 1: spent all morning pacing and had a minor anxiety attack

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Speaker 1: before talking to him. Normally, things like this make me

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Speaker 1: I'm proud to say I held my ground. He brought

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Speaker 1: me coffee this morning, something he almost always does. He's

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Speaker 1: been talking to me more now, but there's still this

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Speaker 1: kind of weird distance between us. He brought me coffee,

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Speaker 1: me about work, and everything felt so perfect, but I

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Speaker 1: knew deep down it wasn't that this nagging feeling would

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Speaker 1: never go away if I didn't talk about Abigail. So

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Speaker 1: in the most uncouth way possible, I blurted out, we

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Speaker 1: need to talk. Isaac tensed and finally nodded, surprising me

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Speaker 1: by saying, we do one point to anxiety.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: We talked for around two hours. I'm going to summarize

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Speaker 1: I broke up with Isaac over text, classy, I know,

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying really hard to find this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Right now, trying to find the podcasts where they talk

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Speaker 3: You think this might not be the case, but I

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Speaker 1: Right, really bad marketing.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing to marketing. Imagine imagine if you told, like

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Speaker 1: This guy sounded pussed. Yes, the first thing he said

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Speaker 1: was name Opie. I am so effing sorry. He didn't

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Speaker 1: give me any room to speak before going on this

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Speaker 1: tangent on what a crappy guy Isaac is and how

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Speaker 1: he can't believe he was best friends with a guy

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Speaker 1: like that for so long. He told me that he

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Speaker 1: had made a spontaneous stop by at my old apartment,

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Speaker 1: something that wasn't unusual for him, and was confused when

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Speaker 1: he realized I wasn't living there anymore. Isaac admitted to

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Speaker 1: cheating on me, something Josh didn't know but had suspected.

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Speaker 1: You guys were right. He said that comment to warn

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Speaker 1: me of saying, Oh, I didn't know you'd be so

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Speaker 1: chill with him, you know, being with this new girl

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Speaker 1: this X, which I mean, I guess that's good. Some

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Speaker 1: things I'd come to realize is Isaac was possessive. He

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Speaker 1: wouldn't let me hang out with our male friends one

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Speaker 1: on one. He was always lurking next to me. That

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Speaker 1: just shows that you don't trust your friends or your girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: which is embarrassing. Josh told me he alerted our entire

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Speaker 1: friend group of what Isaac did, and while two or

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Speaker 1: three of the guys took Isaac side, what the f

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Speaker 1: the rest felt terrible for me. They cut contact with

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Speaker 1: Isaac and those couple guys Josh told me that if

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Speaker 1: I needed anything, he would love for me to ask him,

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Speaker 1: and he apologized again, saying he should have told me

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Speaker 1: earlier when he thought he'd seen the signs, but he

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Speaker 1: never would have assumed Isaac could have been carrying this

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Speaker 1: infidelity for so long. Oh yeah, I guess I'll do

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Speaker 1: another update if anything big happens. But this is where

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Speaker 1: I stand, and there are two three relevant comments to

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Speaker 1: hitish the story off Flynn. Jim says, what makes Josh

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Speaker 1: suspect the cheating? Op says last year I was away

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Speaker 1: for a week because me and some friends went to

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Speaker 1: the camping went camping. Apparently he did one of his

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Speaker 1: stop eyes to see if Isaac wanted to hang out,

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Speaker 1: and Isaac wouldn't come to the door. Josh thought he

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Speaker 1: heard a female's voice and some noises. Isaac ended up

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Speaker 1: telling me telling him I had been on the phone

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Speaker 1: with him, which is bs because I had no service

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Speaker 1: for the entire camping trip and Op, when told to

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Speaker 1: hook up with Josh, I already said this to her

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Speaker 1: reply up there, but Josh is the last person I

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Speaker 1: want to see right now, and frankly, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to date anyone. I just found out that the man

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Speaker 1: I wanted to marry has been cheating on me for

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Speaker 1: entire relationship. I'm probably not going to go back into

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Speaker 1: the dating pool for at least a year, and I'm

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Speaker 1: someone who likes some heavy emotional connection before sleeping with someone.

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Speaker 1: Josh is a great friend, but in all honesty, it

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Speaker 1: was hard to just hear his voice over the phone

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Speaker 1: knowing that he was so heavily tied to Isaac and

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Speaker 1: that is the end of that story.

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Speaker 5: That's also giving like, oh, whyted to take it? Let's

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Speaker 5: like give the revenge, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we don't need that. Let let know he,

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Speaker 1: you know, live healthily.

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Speaker 5: I was wondering if Josh is gonna be like so,

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Speaker 5: I would never treat you like that.

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Speaker 1: I would never treat you like he didn't.

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Speaker 4: I would never treat you like that. Let me be

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Speaker 4: the host on your podcast.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's start a competing podcast and outperforming and.

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Speaker 1: Talk about study tactics.

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Speaker 2: Why would you ever write a story like this and

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Speaker 2: not drop the freaking podcast.

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Speaker 5: Well that's how you know it's real, because she really

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Speaker 5: is angry at him, and I don't.

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Speaker 1: Want to give him any any sponsoring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sponsors, I just want to know I want more

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Speaker 2: YouTube drama.

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Speaker 1: Well not today today