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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart

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Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I

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Speaker 1: am Chris Harrison, joined once again by Lauren Ziema from

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Speaker 1: her home office in Austin, Texas, joining me on the

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Speaker 1: show today. Dancing with the Stars celeb dancing magnet Cheryl

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Speaker 1: Burke has stepped away from the show, obviously, we know that,

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Speaker 1: but there is so much more to talk to Cheryl about.

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Speaker 1: I've known her for so many years, and there's so

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Speaker 1: much more to talk about than dancing, and I look

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Speaker 1: forward to doing that. We're gonna do it just a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But first, Elsie, we gotta put I don't

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna put a pin in it, because this

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Speaker 1: thing's going to continue on. But the vander Pump rule

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Speaker 1: scandal has since we talked about it just a couple

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Speaker 1: It has gotten physical, it has gotten litigious. Well, what

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Speaker 1: you're referring to is, yes, that Raquel Rachel filed a

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Speaker 1: restraining order against a cast member against Shena, alleging that

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Speaker 1: Shena punched her or somehow gave her a black eye.

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Speaker 1: And what that is apparently from or at least whatever

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Speaker 1: the incident was, was that in that moment. That was

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Speaker 1: the moment Shena found out they were together, the two

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Speaker 1: of them after taping Watch what Happens Live in New

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Speaker 1: York where they're promoting the show, and Raquel, according to

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Speaker 1: all the different accounts and reports, goes to take a

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Speaker 1: phone call. The phone calls from Arianna. Arianna's calling her

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Speaker 1: saying what you know, something like, what the hell is

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Speaker 1: this video that I found? Shena comes outside to check

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Speaker 1: on Raquel, and what alarms me the most about this

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Speaker 1: is that apparently Raquel sort of casually said to Shena, Oh,

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Speaker 1: having an affair with Tom. And that's when Shena, who

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Speaker 1: allegedly who knows some kind of incident happened according to Riquel,

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Speaker 1: So who knows? I got to tell you. Look, I

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Speaker 1: don't condone physical violence ever, but I don't think Raquel.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Raquel should have filed the restraining order.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a real It's completely my opinion,

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Speaker 1: interesting when Raquel released her statement after she had been

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Speaker 1: on Watch What Happens Live, and she said, beyond my

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Speaker 1: death threats and hate emails. Most of that. I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I understand, but I was like, wait, physically assaulted. That's

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Speaker 1: not something you just slip in a big statement like that.

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Speaker 1: So I was interested if Moore was going to come

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Speaker 1: out about it. And obviously now it has that she

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Speaker 1: then was punched, and you can see because she filed

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Speaker 1: a picture of herself with the court filing. For some

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Speaker 1: people are like, it's faked, it's dramatic. Who knows, I'm

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Speaker 1: just playing the Devil's advocate here again. I'm not condoned

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Speaker 1: physical violence. It's interesting to me, though, that you, because

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Speaker 1: I think I'm I am so much more entrenched in

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Speaker 1: all so much has happened that I'm like the physical violence,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. Well, that takes it to another level. You

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Speaker 1: know it's not on the show. This was something that

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Speaker 1: really did happen, And I agree. Did she need to

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Speaker 1: I think unfortunately, filing the restraining order makes her look

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Speaker 1: everybody hate her more at this point. Well, and I guess,

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Speaker 1: allegedly is it Shanaina said or has stated that she

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Speaker 1: I'll do it again. Um that that was one. That's

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Speaker 1: what she said in her filing. That's why Raquel filed,

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Speaker 1: And so I just don't believe it. I don't. I

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you my opinion. I don't think. To me, basically,

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Speaker 1: I can't find the why here. I can't find what

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Speaker 1: was Tom and Raquel's plan? What were they going to do? Well?

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Speaker 1: that Tom and Rickell, We're gonna wait until after this

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Speaker 1: then they had months to kind of let everything, Arianna breakup. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Tom and Rickell are now a thing, and Arianna

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Speaker 1: at this point, this is my opinion, I think Tom's

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Speaker 1: I think he's incredibly immature. I won't be surprised if

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to go back and re

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Speaker 1: edit episodes now, the episodes they had in the can

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Speaker 1: as as a producer, Yeah, what what you would do

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Speaker 1: You will see much more of Ariana, Raquel and Tom.

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Speaker 1: The reunion tapes in two weeks. They had not taped

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Speaker 1: a different order, Tom, the only person controlling the order

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Speaker 1: that all this happened in was you. You were the person.

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Speaker 1: So there's no wishing it had happened in a different order.

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Speaker 1: It happened this way because you didn't known up to it.

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Speaker 1: I hope it's genuine, but I think it would only

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Speaker 1: just continue to not hold yourself accountable or blame. That

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00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: is the hard part. It's like, you know, I think

424
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: with any relationship I was in when there was infidelity involved,

425
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 1: if that person could have just come to the plate,

426
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: there would have been there could have been a solution,

427
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: you know. And that takes me to your relationship because

428
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: you just went through a very public you just want

429
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: to through a very public Everyone thinks I've only dated

430
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: one person, but nope, there's a bunch of people I've dated,

431
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: not but not like that, you know what I mean. Actually,

432
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that know that you have

433
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: dated other people. Thank you, thank you. But you've been married.

434
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: You were married with you know, to Matthew Lawrence and

435
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: got divorced. It was a very public divorce and if

436
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 1: something you guys kind of kept quiet. But he's now

437
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: gone on his podcast and has been very vocal about

438
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: how the relationship tested him and how quote, I ended

439
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: up getting involved with people that I was trying to

440
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: please and it never fricking works. And no, do you

441
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: agree with him? There was another thing that he said.

442
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was very interesting. You can love someone

443
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: to death and you can be in a toxic relationship

444
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: and it can spiral out of control and ruin both

445
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: of your lives. Obviously referring to your relationship, was it

446
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: did you think this was a toxic relationship? Look, I

447
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: mean out of etiquette, Like I like to speak for

448
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: myself only because I am not going to speak for

449
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: other people. But look, again, it goes back to accountability.

450
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: It's like, if that's what it was for him, that's fine,

451
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean it was like that for me

452
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: in any scenario. Now, as far as toxic, absolutely, there

453
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: were moments of it, absolutely, but like the whole pleasing.

454
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: By the way, this is the first time I'm hearing

455
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 1: these quotes. I haven't googled myself recently. I've decided to

456
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: stop doing that actually, But you know, it's interesting because

457
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: it's all a choice. Life is a choice, Yeah, and

458
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: you could either choose to people please, but that has

459
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the other person, you know. I

460
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: think that no matter what, honesty and transparency and accountability

461
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: will always get you further, no matter what. You haven't

462
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: googled yourself. But now that he has this podcast, he's

463
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: been speaking out and well, it's here's the thing. When

464
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: the average Joe or Jane goes through a divorce, goes

465
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: through a breakup, especially when there's no kids involved, you go,

466
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: you go your separate ways. You're not going to hear

467
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: about it. You're not going to see headlines. You know,

468
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: Matthew's continuing to make headlines because he's speaking about it

469
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: on his podcast. And so is that a kind of

470
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: different level of just toughness and just difficulty of already

471
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: handling a situation that's hard emotionally, I mean, which you

472
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: don't know. It doesn't hurt you, hence the not googling

473
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: myself good point and you saying this. Normally I'd be like, oh,

474
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: look he did good. More like I really, look, I

475
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: have a lot on my plate. This has been a

476
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: huge year of transitioning for me, and the biggest break

477
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: up for me was with the show, to be quite honest,

478
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: and that that continues for me to have. I have

479
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: a heavy heart. You know, it's really sad because I

480
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: feel like that marriage was definitely a longer one, yeah,

481
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: and more intimate, and it was because I grew up

482
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: on that show. So look, it is what it is.

483
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: He's going to say what he says, and you know,

484
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: I wish him well, I really do wish him well.

485
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: He's uh, I don't I assume you know he's dating

486
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: TLC sing or Chili. I'm a huge fan, by the way,

487
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: you're a TLC fan? Really? Oh my god. I had

488
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: it on my like six disc spinner at back in

489
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: the nineties. Remember those Absolutely you knew you were rich

490
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: when you had the five disc changer in your car.

491
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: My parents, that's for sure. Yeah exactly. Um so, yeah,

492
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: so's he's dating Chili now and that relationship he's been

493
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: gushing quite a bit about. And he spoke about wanting

494
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: to have kids and and playing you know that that's

495
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: the plan as soon as possible. Is that something you

496
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: guys were never into? Did you ever approach that subject?

497
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: Are you surprised by that? No, I'm not surprised at all.

498
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: Like he comes from a huge family, and I think that,

499
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, especially his mom. Like, there were definitely, you know, conversations,

500
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: but I always had said, you know, as long as

501
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: I have to shove my body in a dance costume,

502
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: me getting or thinking about being pegged out probably isn't

503
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: something I can talk about at the moment. But yes,

504
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: there were discussions of like possibly freezing my eggs. But

505
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: then you know, I also you know, and I'm working

506
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: through it, but I don't plan on suffering from body

507
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: dysmorphia in my whole life. But like, yes, with dance

508
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: in general, yeah, you know that that comes into play.

509
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: And then being outed years ago for being too bad

510
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: for TV, you know, so it's like there's all of

511
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: this trauma and I hope, I really truly hope he

512
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: can actually you know, have a kid with with Chili.

513
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing because I think he's wanted that.

514
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: You know. Um, so at least you would still go

515
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: to the TLC or reunion concerts. No, I'm not going

516
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: to a concert, but I was still sing along to

517
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: the song no Scrubs. You know what I'm saying. Fair enough,

518
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: that's that you know what we meet in the middle.

519
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: That's fair enough. You know. I didn't want. I don't

520
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: want to get too much into the divorce. But one

521
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: thing I am very happy about. You got custody of Isabella,

522
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: your bulldog. And I make light of something that was

523
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: pretty silly when you guys were actually battling over this.

524
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: This was your dog. That was silly. Yeah, that was silly.

525
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: But the fact that you actually got custody of your dog,

526
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: I was really happy about that. Thank you. Yeah, that's

527
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: a win win for me. You know, like this dog,

528
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: I feel bad for her. She has just felt it

529
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: all like you know, dogs can actually feel like my energy,

530
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: like in general humans energy. Right, So, um, Isabella has

531
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: been my row. As crazy as that sounds, if you

532
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: would have told me this ten years ago, that a dog,

533
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: not a human being, would have been there for me

534
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: more than an actually even being I would have been like,

535
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: you're crazy. No, yes, it's a hell is actually therapeutic.

536
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: It's called unconditional love, right, well, we all need that.

537
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: And it's also called they don't talk back, right, that's

538
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: maybe that's the definition of unconditional love, as they just

539
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: don't talk back. So you mentioned that you were what

540
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty two years old when you started Dancing

541
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: with the Stars. That was your longest relationship and it

542
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: was you know, when you're in the arts, when you're

543
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: doing a show like you and I both did, it

544
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: is personal. It's something that it's a piece of your soul,

545
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: and you did that. You know, from the time you're

546
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: twenty one to the time you were thirty eight years old,

547
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: that is such a impactful time in your life. To

548
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: go from your early twenties to almost forty years old.

549
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: When you look back, like how much have you changed?

550
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Can you quantify what a different woman you are? First

551
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: of all, you should hear my very first audition tape.

552
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't I didn't know what my favorite color was.

553
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: I had really zero identity whatsoever, coming from the competitive world,

554
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: which is very much like a man's world, and the

555
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: woman follows the man and it's like that in real life,

556
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: unfortunately as well as some times, you know, And so

557
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: I guess I never I was really quiet and shy,

558
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's because of, you know,

559
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: the abuse I suffered from as a child or what

560
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: it was. But regardless, dance was always my way to move.

561
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: Movement in my body was my way to express myself,

562
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: not through words. So when I did this audition, they

563
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: came to Harlem, where I was living at the time,

564
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: and they asked me to spin do a dance move.

565
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: This is when my hair was really sure that yeah, yeah,

566
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: I only looked good in movement. So I just continued

567
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: to move and I was like, my name is Cheryl Burke,

568
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: and I like, name one thing about you, and I'm like,

569
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: and I'm a tiger on the dance so crazy, And

570
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: my voice was so high. I sounded like a little mouse.

571
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: I had a partial English accent. Don't know why. I

572
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: think because my dance coach was English and coming here.

573
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Long story short, it has helped. I have to give

574
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: credit to dancing. It's kind of like they throw you

575
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: in the pool of sharks. You gotta do interviews. You

576
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: got to speak for yourself. You got to speak up. Also,

577
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: I had just turned pro, so I didn't have a

578
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: lot of teaching experience under my belt, so it was

579
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: really a huge challenge. But it made me grow up

580
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: as an individual and as an independent person instead of

581
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: living in someone else's shadow quickly. And I'm so grateful

582
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: for the show for that, you know, So you'd look

583
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: back and fondly remember your time, there a lot to

584
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: you totally listen. Of course, there are little things, like

585
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: any relationship, there's always going to be this, but the

586
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: bigger picture that I will never forget and be grateful

587
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: for the show being a part of my life for

588
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: such a long time, Like it really has helped like

589
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: make me the woman I am today, I guess, you know. Yeah, no,

590
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean by the way, I said the same thing

591
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: about The Bachelor. You know, I didn't want it to

592
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: end the way it did. But still I can't help

593
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: but be grateful because it was such a part of

594
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 1: my adult life. And I was a little older when

595
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: I started, but went through about the same time frame

596
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: as you. And so yeah, it's you can't spend that

597
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: much time on something. How do you feel after all

598
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: of that? What was your initial reaction. I guess, like,

599
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: how long did it hurt for? I guess, well, that

600
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: goes There's a lot of layers to that, much like

601
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: your divorce. But it was, you know, in the beginning,

602
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: there was the shock because it was a band aid

603
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: being ripped off. It wasn't something maybe like you did,

604
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: where you thought about this for quite some time and

605
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: you're like, you know what, dancing and this is taking

606
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: a toll on me and my life and it's time

607
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: to step away. While I had thought about that, I

608
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: hadn't put those wheels in motion yet. So for it

609
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: to all happen so quickly in a tumultuous way, it

610
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: was a lot. It was a lot to handle, which

611
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: is why I kind of stepped away from everything and

612
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: didn't do a podcast and didn't do any interviews, did nothing,

613
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: just just got healthy. As you know. How long was

614
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: that process About a year and a half. I mean, away,

615
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: I could have come back sooner, but honestly, I started

616
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: enjoying it. I started really enjoying my life again. And

617
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: have you gotten to that point yet? I mean, obviously

618
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: you said stepping away from dancing was maybe the toughest

619
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: decision of your life. Have you come to terms with it?

620
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: And do you feel good about it? You know, yes,

621
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: it's very empowering, but it's also sad, you know, like

622
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I can't help. But you know, it doesn't not cross

623
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: my mind that oh maybe I should have just stuck

624
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: it out another five Like physically I could have done it, Chris,

625
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: But mentally, you know, it's like I am on such

626
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm on a path right now, or I am so

627
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: into my mental health and I'm really into sharing my resources.

628
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: Right I'm no professional, but I can share my experiences

629
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: with people, and that to me that I can't explain

630
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: the feeling when I can actually affect somebody else's life

631
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: in a way other than me barking at them telling

632
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: them to do a Shacha lockstep, you know like that.

633
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's so it fills me up. It's

634
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: hard to explain, but you probably understand. And anyone listening

635
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: right now, you know, like any relationship, and it's like

636
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I just knew that, you know, either it was going

637
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: to be my call or it was gonna be theirs. Right,

638
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: So it's like this was just the time, it was time.

639
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight, I've done twenty six seasons. Yeah, what

640
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: else can I What else do I need to prove? Like,

641
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to do other than like

642
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: I've already proved it from the first two seasons if

643
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: you were to look at it like from the material

644
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: side of things. However, you know, it's like it's time

645
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: to move on, Like I want to be able to

646
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: challenge myself. I hate feeling stagnant with whatever I do.

647
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: I hate it that two great points. First of all,

648
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: it's very rare that an athlete and I do consider

649
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: you guys athletes, and you are competing at the highest

650
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: level of what you do, and so to go out

651
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: on top is a hard thing to do because, like

652
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: you said, you absolutely could have milked it, and you

653
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: could have made it through another five years on your popularity,

654
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: But would you have been your best? Would it have

655
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: been the Cheryl Burke we all knew and loved. And

656
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: to have the self awareness to say no and to

657
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: step away, that says a lot about you. It takes

658
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: a lot. Oh. You know, the last time I felt

659
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: like this was moving from Harlem to the Los Angeles.

660
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: So I know that there is a good there is

661
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, the path is greener, but I just have

662
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: to I have to be patient. I'm very impatient. Yeah,

663
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: but I definitely need to just like and also, by

664
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: the way, I need to stop defining myself by my

665
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: outside sources, Like I need to stop thinking that my

666
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: job is who Cheryl Burke is or my friends. You know.

667
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm really trying to do that work and

668
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: it's not easy. Well, it's not easy. When you are

669
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: so popular and you're on, you know, a huge hit

670
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: show and you are famous for that, it's easy to

671
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: get wrapped up in that identity that you are Cheryl

672
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: Burke from Dancing with the Stars. Oh my god. People

673
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: still people are like, you made the worst mistake ever.

674
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's why I don't sprowl on freaking

675
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: social media. Yeah, one thing I've I have not heard

676
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: you speak of. And now that you're gone, maybe you

677
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: can be brutally honest about this. Okay. I'm like, Okay,

678
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: Tom bergier on, I love him, I do too. End

679
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: and a wonderful host. How did the dynamic change and

680
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: what was different when they fired Tom and Aaron Andrews. Look,

681
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: this is no dig at Tira, because I think Tyra

682
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: is an amazing woman. But honestly, the heart of the show,

683
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: it was gone. I can't even say it better than that,

684
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: because you know, a lot of people don't know this,

685
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: but Tom would like host mid season parties for us,

686
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: and it was like casting crew, only we would have

687
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: dress rehearsal. He'd come on Sundays during camera blocking and

688
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: though he wasn't probably getting paid for it, like he

689
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: was still wanting to interact with everybody. I call him

690
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: my dance dad, you know, and he was there from

691
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: the beginning and he just made light of everything. And

692
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: it was a smart casting decision on you know, whoever

693
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: was the showrunner or whoever decided to book Tom, because

694
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: Tom made Ballroom not so because it's so serious, right,

695
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: like we take our freaking this is blood, sweat and tears,

696
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: like for what a nasty mirror ball trophy. But with Tom,

697
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, yeah, we can make light of everything,

698
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like it's actually he's so genuine

699
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: and he's so authentic, and there was a comfort level

700
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: like I don't know if I'm speaking more for the

701
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: older demographic, but like at the end of the day,

702
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: when you see it's like if you were to recast

703
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: the cast of friends like you can't do it. Yeah. Well,

704
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: and to your point, I think what he did brilliantly

705
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: was walk that line. Yes, he threw in the funny

706
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, jabs every now and then, but everything was

707
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: out of love. And he also knew how to lean

708
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: into the emotional moments when there were those, he paid

709
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: he paid attention and he listened and and he's just

710
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: a great host on that level. Altely, it wasn't about him,

711
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: right well, and that's rule number one of hosting. It's

712
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: not about you. You are not the star. And that's

713
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: something that's lost by a lot of host and and

714
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the ratings changed and you can see

715
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: the numbers changed dramatically after he and Aaron left. We're

716
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: not on maybec anymore right for that, So yeah, you

717
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: can just look at the scoreboard. But I was just

718
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: curious from the inside. I mean that's what I felt

719
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: as a host on a show across the network from him,

720
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: and he and I had a very special relationship for

721
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons that we always just got along

722
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: really well. We're very different, very highly of you. He's

723
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: fond of you very much. Well, he's and I'm really

724
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: glad to hear that. We from our early days. He

725
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: was one of the first that kind of reached out

726
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: to me when I took over Miss America, which he

727
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: had just hosted something that could have been an awkward

728
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: moment he broke. He broke the ice and immediately was like, hey, man, congratulations,

729
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you. Let me know if there's anything

730
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: I can do. There was another moment you probably don't

731
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: know about. It was with your former partner Drew Lache.

732
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: Because of a medical thing that in his family, Bergeron

733
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: was maybe not going to make it back to host

734
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: the show for the first time ever. So they called

735
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: me on a Sunday and said, hey, Harrison, can you

736
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: come in. We just need you to be on standby.

737
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: You might be hosting Dancing with the Stars tomorrow night

738
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: if his father died passed away, right he was. It

739
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: was during he was had to do with one of

740
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: his kids or something like that, and he ended up

741
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: making it in. But I went to the table read

742
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: and I was ready to go, and just ever since then,

743
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: we just had this and they asked me to keep

744
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: that quiet and never tell that story while he was

745
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: still going, and so we never spoke of it, but

746
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: he just we always had that kind of mutual respect

747
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: for each other. He also told me about the Emmy's.

748
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: Was it the Emmy's when all the hosts of primetime?

749
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was hysterical. He actually, he forget

750
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: to tell me, so I just let him tell me again.

751
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it's so funny that that moment was great. Yeah,

752
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: there was one year when all the reality show hosts

753
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: hosted the Emmy's and it was he was pretty critically panned.

754
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: He didn't go great. He's still traumatizing. Yeah, but thanks

755
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: for opening up about that. I was just curious what

756
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: the thought was because, again, a little selfish as the host,

757
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: I noticed these things and it was a it was

758
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: a big change at the time, and I think it

759
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: I think if he ever talked about it too, it

760
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: hurt him to have that taken away. Chris. Yes, it's like, look,

761
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: this show is so special, the relationships you make, the

762
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: lifelong friends you make. There's some seasons that are the

763
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: camaraderies a lot better than others. There's also some showrunners

764
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: that are better than others. To be just blunt right

765
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that is where it's coming

766
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: from right, like if they're there, you have to in

767
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: any business, you have to develop a personal relationship with

768
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: these people or else there you're seeing how cold it

769
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: is at times, and then you're seeing how warm and

770
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: how we love to hang out with each other. It's

771
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: about the environment we work in and a lot of

772
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: that has to do with the people that you know.

773
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: To the executive, it is funny you think though you

774
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: are on the inside and you're there on the daily

775
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: and you're like, how can they not see it? Like

776
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: this seems so obvious to me that this works, This

777
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: doesn't How are we how are we messing this up?

778
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: But they do, and I they look, they want to

779
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: come in, they want to put their fingerprint on it.

780
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: I get it. You know it's and it's ego. It's

781
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: all ego. And then it's selfish, like when when we

782
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: first started this show, we were like no one cared

783
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: if you hung out with producer. We were we were

784
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: like parting in the green room on the floor, like

785
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes, like trashing it. And it's like when we

786
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: did the very first Dancing with the Stars tour, it

787
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: was insanity. The popularity of this show right, and how

788
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: we got treated like rock stars, and then it becomes normal,

789
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: the new normal. Yeah, then it becomes a machine, and

790
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: then it becomes numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers that you're forgetting about.

791
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: First of all, what the show was, which was a

792
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: ballroom show. Let's stick, let's just start there. You know,

793
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: like the dancing has changed, but it's about It's about

794
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: the humanity of it though, and you know, it was

795
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: never about the day. So that's the reason why ballroom works.

796
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: It's not a so you think you can dance like,

797
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be doing hip hop with our partner

798
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: because there's no communication through the body. Ballroom works because

799
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: of the fact that two people have to work together,

800
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: not side by side. Yeah, it was a story. It

801
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: was a relationship. And watching that and speaking of relationships,

802
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: you are single now and this takes me very much. No,

803
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm not dating, Chris, I'm not dating. Well, this takes

804
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: me back to a rumor when you and I were

805
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas and we talked at length about this

806
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: about you being the bachelorette. Yeah, do you remember that?

807
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: So freaking Lily, I even went into that meeting with

808
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: I forgot to snake Michael. So you did you had

809
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: meetings about being the Bachelorette and talking about Juby Kennell

810
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: talked about it. I'm Jimmy kim Alive. I'll never forget it.

811
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: So that was real, that was legit. Yeah, I don't

812
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: know why why the hell didn't work, especially when during

813
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: my drinking days I would have been great. Yeah, you

814
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: would have been. After the few days I spent with

815
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: you in Vegas. I think maybe I said, that's not

816
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: the best idea for her right now. Yeah, probably not.

817
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: It's probably a blessing in disguise, So thank you, that's

818
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: what really happened. But you are single and you are

819
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: not dating. Well, I'm dating myself, which is a great

820
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: thing for the moment because I don't think I've ever

821
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: actually enjoyed my own company. So this is I am

822
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: not even interested at the moment still, and I know

823
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: that I had a podcast with iHeart about it. No

824
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: wonder it probably didn't work because I'm just genuinely not

825
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: into it at the moment. I'm really not. So you're

826
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: not open to if you bumped into somebody at a

827
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: coffee shop or and they said, hey, yes, but I'm

828
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: not so desperate to get on a dating app like,

829
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, if that happened, so be it. But that

830
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: would mean I'd have to leave this house, right, So

831
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't like leaving this house. But if I knew

832
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: a great fine mister Joe Schmo and this closet unfortunately,

833
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: but if I knew a great guy and I send

834
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: him your way, just saying there's a chance, yeah, I

835
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: might have to do some get it like a background

836
00:42:47,760 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: check and all that person. Of course, would you get

837
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: married again? Absolutely, I love it, So that's that's in

838
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: the cards. Yeah, I mean kids, I don't know, I

839
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: don't I don't mind even contemplating like that option of adopting,

840
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: like I've always I never thought that even as a

841
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: little girl, and never was a huge like I want

842
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: twelve kids and coming out of me naturally like I'm

843
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: not really I don't need that, you know. For me,

844
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: a kid is a kid, like whether you're adopted or not,

845
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: Like there's so much love regardless. It seems like you're

846
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: in a really healthy place right now though, if you're

847
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: able to even talk about, Yeah, marriage is a thing,

848
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: and maybe I do want kids down the road and

849
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: I want that life. And now without dancing with the stars,

850
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: you're able to work on that now. Well yeah, but

851
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm also not retired from work like I'm a workaholic,

852
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: as everyone knows. How do you spend your days? What

853
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: are you doing? I am honestly shooting so much social

854
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: media content. Just call me an influencer. Okay forgetting the

855
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: last twenty something seasons of Dancing with the starts, I'm

856
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: starting over from scratch. Then, now you're efficiently Now you

857
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: officially are a Bachelorette contestant. You're just an influencer, right.

858
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean I was gonna say, if there's a Bachelorette

859
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: sober version, I just don't think it would work without

860
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: the alcohol unfortunately. So but you know what show I'm

861
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: really into is Love Is Blind. I think they should

862
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: do a celebrity version. I think that would be fascinating.

863
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: We can make that work. You mentioned your sobriety. How

864
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: long have you been sobered? I know you have. It's

865
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: fallen off the wagon and we've broken it, but you

866
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: are back. How long have you been sober? Now? Almost

867
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: five years? Congratulations? Thank you, that's awesome. I love that

868
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: for you, and I know if I could get through

869
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: this whole like year not taking a sip I feel

870
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: pretty confident in myself. Thank you. I was going to

871
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: ask if that has been a struggle. Oh my god,

872
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: every day, Chris, every day. Yeah, No, it's something so

873
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: many addict will tell you that every single day, Like

874
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: whether it just comes out of you know, nowhere, or

875
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: if it's because of what you're going through. But like,

876
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: this is why it's so vital for me to really

877
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: just date myself, because if I'm not conscious, I could

878
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: be on a date and like you know, depending on

879
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: my mood and someone's offering me and drink. I'm like, yeah, whatever,

880
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, No, I get it, and I mean I've

881
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: I've been intimately surrounded by that in my life. So

882
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: I understand that every day you are making that choice.

883
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: And I'm so proud of you for that because I

884
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: know when you go through tumultuous times, like you said,

885
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: it's easy, it's so easy to slip. Yeah, it really is.

886
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: And I do remember, you know, and not to kind

887
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: of bring up an old wound, but as much as

888
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: I loved and adored you and you were such a

889
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: good friend back in the day, I remember being in

890
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: Vegas and those were dark times. It's like you would

891
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: go from zero to a thousand, it's like, oh, here's Cheryl,

892
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, this is the girl I

893
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: don't recognize and it would happen quickly. Yeah, And I

894
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: think I also was a functioning drunk, so it was

895
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: like that was That's the scariest, you know, was when

896
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: people when you're not drinking, people are like are you okay?

897
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: Because I'm not as like social or you know, it

898
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: is it's a different type of I guess scary when

899
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: you're an addict. Because I also, if you were to

900
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: look on paper, maybe I'm the most successful of saying

901
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: this when I did Red Table talk, like maybe I

902
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: was the most successful when I was drinking, which is

903
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: my rock bottom, you guys, because like a rock bottom

904
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean being found in a you know, alley

905
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: way and then being you know, heading to rehab. Like, no,

906
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: this is a rock bottom for me as well, because

907
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: you're like, well, then my lazy brain, which sometimes happens,

908
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: it'll like go in there, my unconscious brain will be like, oh,

909
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: you know what, if you were the most successful, then

910
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: you might as well start drinking again. You pulled it off,

911
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: you can do it again, right, right? Was there ever

912
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: a time that you were drinking, drunk or on anything

913
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: while you were working on Dancing with the Stars. I

914
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: was always um, well, I used Dancing with the Stars

915
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: like a sauna, so it was like I drank hardcore,

916
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: then I would sweat it out. My partners would guess

917
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: what I was drinking the night before, then I would

918
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: do it again. This is the reason why I'm no

919
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: joke ging here aside, right, but like seven days a

920
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: week I was out And this was before Uber. That

921
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: was scary. Yeah. Well, by the grace of God, you

922
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: are here, yes, and you're thriving, and you're in such

923
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: a good place, and I'm just happy to see the

924
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: way you're you're thriving right now and you're growing. You've

925
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: always been amazing person, but I'm glad to see you

926
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: figuring that out now. Thank you and congratulations on this podcast.

927
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: This is amazing. It's been awesome. It's been really fun.

928
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: It has been a great platform to have to kind

929
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: of speak in this way and then to rekind of

930
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: connect with some of my friends and bring some of

931
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: these personal stories out. Like you, It's like it's not

932
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: just Cheryl Burke from dancing. This is a woman I've

933
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: known for quite some time. Our paths of cross and

934
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: intertwine many times totally. And I hope to actually hang

935
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: out behind the camera because I would love to ask

936
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: you some more questions about how you're handling this transition

937
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: of yours. It's really must be really challenging at times,

938
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: you know it has been. And someday, thank you, by

939
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: the way for saying that, And someday I'll be teaching

940
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: a master class on this. Yes, yeah, please, thank you, Cheryl.

941
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time and the insight, and I will

942
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: talk to you and my friend bye. And that was

943
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: Cheryl Burke, an interesting person that I have watched intimately

944
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: since she began her journey on Dance with the Stars.

945
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: Because our shows were so intertwined, we went to visit

946
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: and be on Dancing Obviously a lot of people from

947
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: The Bachelor Bachette were on there, and so we saw

948
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: them all the time. And then there were ABC events

949
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: and they would always put the Reality people together, and

950
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: so we got to know, you know, Maxim and the

951
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: Huffs and Cheryl, and we spent a lot of time

952
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: with these people, and so you to know the struggles

953
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: that she went through on so many levels and to

954
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: see how she's come out on the other side successfully

955
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: is a miracle but also wonderful. So my thanks to

956
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: Cheryl Burke and my thanks to you for listening once

957
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: again on the Most Dramatic Podcast Ever. And I will

958
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: talk to you next time because we have a lot

959
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on

960
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: Instagram at the Most Dramatic Pod Ever and make sure

961
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: to write us a review and leave us five stars.

962
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you next time.