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Speaker 1: I know that I make. I put four blocks of

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Speaker 1: couple of a couple of Marcona almonds, some interesting crackers

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Speaker 1: and call it a day. Truffle cheese means I'm elevated, okay.

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Speaker 1: And after those boards, there's always a lot of waste. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I sliced alami too, if we're doing and I sometimes

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Speaker 1: on those days there's a lot of goddamn waste. So

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine the nationwide TikTok and Instagram waste going

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Speaker 1: piling mounds of almonds. It also seems like a COVID

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Speaker 1: P treat dish of just hands grabbing at every little thing.

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Speaker 1: It looks disgusting. It looks good for two minutes ouzing

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Speaker 1: breath that's been baked and wrapped in walnuts or candy

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Speaker 1: or goddamn sugar, something oozing onto the boards. It looks disgusting.

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Speaker 1: We get it. You could put salami in a glass

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Speaker 1: and make a fucking flower. We got it. You can

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Speaker 1: make a swan out of a napkin. Also, let's take

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Speaker 1: charkuta reboards back to being simple. That big pile of

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Speaker 1: slop is going right in a garbage can, with all

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Speaker 1: that chopped bread that nobody eats, many many gherkins, many

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Speaker 1: little what do you call those? Like mini pickles? I forgot?

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Speaker 1: There's another corner, shans. How many friends do you have?

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Speaker 1: An eating corner Shawns? And eating capers off that like

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Speaker 1: long stem and like all this ship. I come, people

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Speaker 1: come over. I do the olives? People eat two olives.

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Speaker 1: No one's ever devouring to the bottom of the olives

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Speaker 1: and all the ship. Can we just cancel charcuterie boards

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Speaker 1: at this level, at this time, let me just say something.

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Speaker 1: Can we just at least minimalize charcuterie boards, please? Can

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Speaker 1: more mounds and mounds, it's volcanoes of dried nuts and apricots,

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Speaker 1: and I've just never seen If you show me a

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Speaker 1: a completed shark kuterie board. Cancel me if you like.

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Speaker 1: apologize in advance. Um bear with me. It's my wood platter,

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Speaker 1: you think anyone with me? Oh? Today I'm talking with

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Speaker 1: going to be an interesting and enjoyable conversation that takes

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Speaker 1: show My Unorthodox Life. She is certainly controversial. Julia has

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Speaker 1: We talk religion, power, marriage, all of it. You're going

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Speaker 1: Don't tell us that are that we're defined by our biology.

426
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Speaker 1: Don't tell us that we have to hide in our houses,

427
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: cover our parties, wear wigs, not ever. I mean, do

428
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Speaker 1: you see any base act of that's the school that

429
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Speaker 1: I want. Did you see any base act of graduates

430
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: on who can dance or um? You know, you don't

431
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: see these people out singing or dancing. You can dance,

432
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: but just not in front of men, not in public,

433
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: not uncovered, not wearing fans. You can ride a bike

434
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: or maybe you can't, but you know, but it's you

435
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: have to wear your skirt, you have to worry if

436
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: your knees show. All of this is a constant restraint

437
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: and this idea that you as a woman are responsible

438
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: for men controlling themselves and so your life has to

439
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: be smaller so that they don't have to bother And

440
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: that's wrong, it's just wrong. I get it. But you

441
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: have a it's very important. I'm glad you broke through

442
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: your starting this conversation. You're in this conversation and you've

443
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: fully committed to it because you're going to have a

444
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: lot of enemies. But the of the matter is you

445
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: rip the band aid off. You're in this now, so

446
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: you're going all the way. So I'm fine, you're going

447
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: all the way. Yeah, no, if it's I get it,

448
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: I'm a put You're a polarizing person now, but you

449
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: know you're the first. So here we go. All right.

450
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: So as far as business, you are a businesswoman. I mean,

451
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: did you think as a child that you had something

452
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: like what was it or your whole trajectory of like

453
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: business and success, like inside what was going on? And

454
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: then how did you put one ft in front of

455
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: the other to become a business person? You know you

456
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: mentioned your daughter, and that really is the crux of

457
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: everything in my life because, as you say, even as

458
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: a young child, you know, we were taught in elementary

459
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: school what our purpose in life was. You know, when

460
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Speaker 1: I got to seminary, which some people tried to compare

461
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: to college, I'm sorry, seminary is about as as equivalent

462
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: to college as I am. You know, tall, and I'm five.

463
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: So it's just, uh, we's one year of intense indoctrination

464
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: and the perfect examples that the first day we walked

465
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Speaker 1: into seminary, the principle said, and I quote, you have

466
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: been told that we are known for brainwashing our students. Well,

467
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 1: we do, because whose brain doesn't need a little washing.

468
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: So when you go through this whole process, you are

469
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: so indoctrinated to believe that your only purpose in life

470
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: as as a helpmate to someone so that he can

471
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Speaker 1: attain greatness, so that your sons could be scholars. You're

472
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: and I asked when I was there, I asked the

473
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Speaker 1: principle and I said, I don't understand. Why can't girls

474
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Speaker 1: study the Talmud and the Gamar? I asked that question

475
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: when I was eighteen years old. This is what the

476
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Speaker 1: men are studying, and the women are not allowed to

477
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Speaker 1: study the religious Yeah, and those trallies are where all? Yeah,

478
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: you are not a woman is not just not commanded

479
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Speaker 1: to study the Talmud or the Gama or the mission

480
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: of all the places that hold all the laws that

481
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: govern our lives, we are forbidden from doing. So what

482
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Speaker 1: are the consequences for all of these rules that we're

483
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: talking about, to not wear the school, to not wear

484
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: the thing, what are the consequences? So imagine, did you

485
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: ever watch Britain No want to? If you've ever read

486
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: anything about Regency England or Victorian England or anything where

487
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: the reputation of the girl and the family is going

488
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: to determine the ship of the match. And that's what

489
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: the whole life is about. The better match you can get,

490
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: the better your life is. And that means money, doesn't it.

491
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: It means money, but it also means that the principle,

492
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: because who's the person who gets asked about a prospective

493
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Speaker 1: girl the principle of her high school, the principle of

494
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: her seminary, and so she didn't behave or she was inappropriate.

495
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Speaker 1: The principle of a high school is asked if a

496
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Speaker 1: man wants to marry a young woman, they're involved in

497
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Speaker 1: this decision. The parents will call the school to get

498
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Speaker 1: in again. You have to think about it as like

499
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: it's like interviewing for a job. It's the wife I

500
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: gotta asked the craziest questions. I mean they're all my book,

501
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: but like I'll just give you one example. I was

502
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Speaker 1: asked what kind of bananas I would buy slightly green,

503
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: right or overripe? And the only correct answer. Guess what

504
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: the correct answer is, are you supposed to bake? Because

505
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: they'd be overripe? If you're baking and cheaper there you go.

506
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: So the answer is if it's um. If it's not

507
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: right yet, then you're not having trust and faith in

508
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: God and you're preparing for the future, so that's no good.

509
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: If it's just right, then you're you know, your high

510
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: maintenance and you buy the most expensive things. If you

511
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: say it overripe banana, that means you can suffer for

512
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: the sake of heaven and you will be a better

513
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Speaker 1: wife to your husband. I was taught when I was dating.

514
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Speaker 1: Dating right, you're you have a few hours to meet

515
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Speaker 1: your prospective husband. You get out to go out a

516
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: few times, and going out, you're not allowed to ever

517
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Speaker 1: be alone together, so it has to be in a

518
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Speaker 1: place with a group of people you can't touch or

519
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: kiss or shake hands or do anything else. And you

520
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: basically have a few hours as a teenager you decide

521
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: who you will be spending the rest of your life with.

522
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Speaker 1: Did you get a good one? I mean, he's a

523
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: lovely person, but it's not someone I should ever have married. No.

524
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Speaker 1: But in the world of that world, was it a

525
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: good ship? What is a good show off? Not from

526
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Speaker 1: the like that side, not as much as my siblings

527
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: because he also is a ball too, I meaning he does.

528
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: He his family was not religious either, and so that,

529
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, has a stigma attached to it in that world.

530
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: It's it's like being a blue blood. You both were

531
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: like b minus Jews. Exactly, be minus Jews, Yeah, exactly.

532
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 1: So what my siblings got much more, let's say in

533
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: the community's lexicon, much more prestigious matches, right, and so

534
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: your whole life is governed by your match. Everything in

535
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: your life. So it keeps your parents in line because

536
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: if they do something inappropriate, the rabbi that the the

537
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: perspective in laws will call will say, no, they're not

538
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: an adal family. What tablecloth you used in your house

539
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: could stop a ship, you know, So your entire life,

540
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: that's what's hold held over your head. Like for example,

541
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: when I first became irreligious, you're irreligious. That's what you

542
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: consider yourself irreligious? Yeah, I'm not. I am completely not

543
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: a religious That's why I asked about your child being

544
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 1: in a religious school. That has to do with your

545
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: child's father again to me, Yeah, if that's what he wants,

546
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm super happy with that, as long as it's in

547
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: a school where he can also get a good secular

548
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: education and where he can go to an ivy League

549
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: college and live a full, fulfilling life. If he wants

550
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: to stay religious, that is his choice. And I have

551
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: never forced my children to do anything that they did

552
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: not want to do. I've let them all come on

553
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: the journey in their own way, in their own time.

554
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: Much you have to collaborate with an X And he's lovely,

555
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: and he's a lovely person. And by the way, he

556
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: has moved out of the community. Interesting, he no longer

557
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: lives in Muncy. Okay, Well, so how did you break

558
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: out and how did you become a business person? I

559
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: read that you started to so when you were sixteen,

560
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: So you use some of the skill sets of this

561
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: culture to be successful. So let's hear about that. Well.

562
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: To me, honestly, my biggest strength is threefold. Number one,

563
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: I am a study or by nature, right, And that's

564
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: why I killed me that I couldn't even study the laws,

565
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: the books that governed my entire life. I was forbidden

566
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: from studying that. Even if you didn't want it to

567
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: be your life, you wanted to understand and just take

568
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: have knowledge. I wanted to understand why my life was

569
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: like this, no one would explain it to me, so

570
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to read it myself and say this doesn't

571
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: make sense. But of course I was literally forbidden from

572
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: doing so, and you know I and of course I

573
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: did it anyway. I taught myself aramic I would, you know,

574
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: argue with rabbis and constantly get in trouble when Rabi

575
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: told me the Mahara would turn over in his grave

576
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: to be quoted by a woman. That's the kind of

577
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: attitude there. And so but I love intellectual pursuit. I

578
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: am a I'm a student and by nature I you know,

579
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: I love to learn and so um when I decided

580
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: that I was going to leave, it was a very

581
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: long process, and the last eight years in my community

582
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: was a very purposeful education about the outside world, even

583
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: if I was still on the outside looking in. But

584
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: I read everything I could get my hands on. Voltaire, Euripides,

585
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: date card Spinoza. I mean literally, you name it. I

586
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: promised you I have read it. And that's how I

587
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: educated myself and to me that ability to continue learning.

588
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: Because I think you probably see this as well in

589
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: your industry. Don't you find that when people are young,

590
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: they're very proud of how quickly they can learn. Right,

591
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: What are you proud of in high school and college?

592
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: What grades you get for learning? For growing and and

593
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: and and learning new knowledge and jesting knowledge. As we

594
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: get older, we get proud of something that to me

595
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: is the most dut mental thing in the world. We

596
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: get proud of what we know, and we stop thinking

597
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: about what we don't know. We become set in our way.

598
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Table now, youth is proud of their social media impact,

599
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: sadly or not sadly, and I think as people get older,

600
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: they they they get proud of what they have. So

601
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: also sadly, I wish I wish that kids were proud

602
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: of what they learned, and I wish that people were

603
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: proud of what they know. You know. I mean I

604
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: think a little bit of that being like talking about

605
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: politics and talking about religion and having an opinion at

606
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: a table. I mean to that I agree with it.

607
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: I was taking more from like a business sense that

608
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: think about it this way, like how many times and

609
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been told this, that's not the way

610
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: it's done, or this is how it's done. Oh yeah, yeah,

611
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. But I want everyone to

612
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: know that this has been a very different interview, and

613
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: I knew it would be that Julia is a very

614
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: very very successful mogul, female entrepreneur who came from could

615
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: not be less of a traditional background. So now I

616
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: want you to help us bridge you know, elite and

617
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: La Perla and fashion and there to hear. So you

618
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: know you asked me the question. I mentioned your daughter

619
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: because you know, as as I said, my entire life there,

620
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: I felt that something was wrong. But I thought it

621
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: was that I was the flaw. Meaning every woman around

622
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: me seemed to be happy to listen to her husband,

623
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: to ask him for permission to be a housewife and

624
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: a mother, to work as a secretary or a pt

625
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: or no deer, whatever was allowed in the community, and

626
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't enough for me, And I thought, I'm flawed.

627
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: And because the problem wasn't My nature is not shock,

628
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: it's not quiet, it's not retiring. I'm not a homemaking

629
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: kind of person. And my only outlet of creativity was

630
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: cooking because it is the only thing I was allowed

631
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: to do right, Because you know, fashion clothing in that

632
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: world are made to conceal, right, to hide yourself. And

633
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: here's Julia wearing colored book close, and I would argue

634
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: all the time and say, hey, I'm covered head to

635
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: tell you were trying to push the boundaries. I pushed

636
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: the boundaries as much as I could. There. I got

637
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: in trouble for it, obviously all the time, but I

638
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: did push the boundaries because I would say I'm following

639
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: the law right and they would say, yeah, but it's

640
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: not the spirit of the law. Julia, you're too noticeable,

641
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: you're too loud. Why can't you just stay home? Why

642
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: can't you be like other women? But then my daughter Miriam,

643
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: when she was literally a peanut, a little child, she

644
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: started asking those questions. She would come home crying, saying

645
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: I want to be a boy because boys were able

646
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: to do things she wasn't allowed to do. And she

647
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: kept on crying and saying, Emma, why can't I do

648
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: X and Y if boys can't? And my husband would

649
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: say to her, well, it's not so appropriate. Someone could

650
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: see her knees, and she would literally say, but why

651
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: is that my fault? Why can't he worry about that?

652
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: And to hear it out of this little baby, this

653
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: little child, gave me permission to recognize that it's not

654
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: that I'm crazy these are all are wrong, and so

655
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: once she gave me permission to question. She's also the

656
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: reason I, in the end walked out that door, because

657
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: she was so miserable. I mean, she would come home

658
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: crying every day. It was really horrible. And you walked

659
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: out that door like you had the conversation and you

660
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: were out. I had, Yeah. I mean, you know my

661
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: original plan, and I talked about it very glibly and lightly.

662
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: And I don't think people really understand I wanted to die.

663
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: I was at such a level of despair that the

664
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: only way I saw out was depth. It's not a joke,

665
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: it's not something you know. I don't think people can

666
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: understand what it feels like to constantly be told that

667
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: your inmateself. Is that imagine being gay or trans in

668
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: that community. Well, if that's Miriam, it's Miriam right. She

669
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: has a Yeah, Miriam is a bisexual hit. She has

670
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: a beautiful Swiss girlfriend. Oh how old is she? She's

671
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: twenty one, So she and interesting fact she was dying

672
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: on the inside. I couldn't bear it. I couldn't bear it.

673
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: And then she's the only reason I didn't kill myself,

674
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: because I realized if I die, she gets to live

675
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: the life that I have, and she'll be as miserable

676
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: and tortured as I was. And so I I that's

677
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: what gave me the carriage to walk out the door

678
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: and being told, now, oh, well, what's the big deal?

679
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: She looked great. It isn't about how well I looked

680
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: or how you know, how smilily I was. I'm a

681
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: smiley person. I wanted to die. No, but I also

682
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: get you didn't want to leave her. No, that's the

683
00:39:45,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: only reason I left. I couldn't do it. Tell everyone

684
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: what your career is, because this is the craziest are

685
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: are ever. And I know that I read that you

686
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: were very high at Laperla, like you had a major job.

687
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: I was a creative director. You're creative director at Laperla.

688
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: How did you get that job? And also, the garment

689
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: industry is very connected to this community, a different kind

690
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: of garment industry. They're more you know, in the what

691
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: we call the Schmatza business, right, and also not as

692
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: high end, right, it's more the mass market kind of clothing.

693
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: So um, the reality is, I had said. The one

694
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: thing is you know the fact that I'm a voracious reader,

695
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: and I and I educate myself and that ability to

696
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: constantly I sometimes, and I know this is going to

697
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: sound crazy, but I can see the future. I'm not

698
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: stuck in what is. I'm always focused on what should

699
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: be or could be. You're playing chess, you got I'm

700
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: always seventeen. I've planned. I mean, it took me eight

701
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: years to leave. It was not something that happen and overnight.

702
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: I planned it down to the last. You aren't sure

703
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: you were gonna do your planning but doubting, but planning.

704
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, meaning I was planning but too afraid to

705
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: do it. You would sleep dreaming it. But while you're

706
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: exact exactly because to actually walk out the door is

707
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: a whole separate thing. Well, that's like sleeping with the enemy.

708
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: The whole plan. You had to have a whole bag.

709
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you still weren't sure if you're gonna

710
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: do it? So then then where did you walk to?

711
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: And then but so my entire life, as you said,

712
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: I started sewing. I taught myself out of so at sixteen.

713
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: The first thing I made was a silver um taffia.

714
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: You know that's silk taffida, thank you. So the first thing,

715
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, I didn't know that taffat is

716
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: really difficult to sew with, and I didn't have a

717
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: sewing machine, so I taught myself out a sew by hand,

718
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: and I would sneak Vogue used to have go back

719
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: to the eighties, these um patterns. So I would take

720
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: Vogue patterns and I would sneefy them mean and I

721
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: had to make them upst right, so I'd have to

722
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: have a high color and longer sleep. So the first

723
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: thing I did was this silver tafoda peplum dress that

724
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: I wore to my friend who was getting married in

725
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: twelfth grade, my friend who was eighteen, who was getting married,

726
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: and I brought a thread and a needle to the

727
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: wedding because I had a feeling that something would unwrapl

728
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: We had wedding because it was literally the first thing

729
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: I ever made um, and by the way, something did unravel,

730
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: but I managed to run into the bathroom and sold

731
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: back up. So fashion was something I was fascinated with. Literally,

732
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: since I'm old enough to have a memory, I taught

733
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: myself how to draw. I would you know, buy books

734
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: on the sly by magazines on the sly high drawings

735
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: in my underwear drawer, I mean fashion, And I was

736
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: always getting in trouble for being too colorful, for being

737
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: too noticeable. And I would keep on saying, the day

738
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: that God stops creating flowers and color, that's the day

739
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: that I'll stop wearing color. You cannot show show me

740
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: where it says that God doesn't like shunk at it.

741
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: I want to see it. So I followed all the laws,

742
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: but as I got closer and closer to leaving, I

743
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: started arguing with all of the things that you couldn't

744
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: prove to me were a law, pushing the boundaries, and

745
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: you wanted the religion to break up with you. Yes, exactly.

746
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: So when I left, I figured, Okay, I've just traveled

747
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: two hundred years in the future. Oh my God, a

748
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: great way to say it. You just like the world

749
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: went from black and white to color. It was a

750
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: world of not to a world of yes. And it

751
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: really was me living in the eighteen hundreds, where matches

752
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: were everything, where a woman's life was determined by her biology,

753
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: and then you walk on into the twenty one century.

754
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: Think about it. I've never been to a bar, I

755
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: didn't know about contracts. I've never heard of an invoice,

756
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything. I've never been on a date

757
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: with someone i'd chosen. I've never kissed a man i'd chosen. So,

758
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, when you think about those things, I was

759
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: so clueless. I was literally a two year old on

760
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: one hand, and on the other hand, I had island

761
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: and drive and the hunger and ambition. But did you

762
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: have any money? I had earned some money while I

763
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: was in the community. Um, of course it disappeared literally

764
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: like in five minutes, because I put everything into the company. Um,

765
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: and so the first few years were so difficult. Into

766
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: a sewing company, a fashion company, my shoe company, shoe

767
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: And that's how I got to La Pearl Law because

768
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: Lapearla did a co branding with my shoes because at

769
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: the time they were trying to become a full fashion

770
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: brand and they had hired three or four other creative

771
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: directors and the things weren't selling, and so they were

772
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: going in out and looking for partners, someone to co

773
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: brand with. And so that's how that started. Lapearla co

774
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: branded with Julia Hart, which was my shoe company, and

775
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: my shoe company was I started my shoe company in

776
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: two thousands thirteen. By two thousand fifteen, I had a

777
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: contract with La Pearl Law and Pearla had a dred

778
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: and twenty seven stores around the world. So you came out,

779
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: you came out of I came out swing. Well. I

780
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: always say to people, when you jump, you fly. You

781
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: literally jumped. You prepared for your jump. You were organized

782
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: that you jumped, and you flew. So that applies to

783
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: a breakup, that applies to a business, that applies to

784
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: leaving a job. You were prepared. But when you jump,

785
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: you you actually really did fly, So you wow, Okay,

786
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: but it's like it doesn't feel like you just started

787
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: from It doesn't feel like you It wasn't like an

788
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: easy road, meaning I made so many mistakes in my

789
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: shoe company. It was crazy, like it's all in the book,

790
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: all the things I did wrong, all the things I

791
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: did right, all the people who I met. It's not.

792
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: I was not a smooth sailing journey. I mean we

793
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: were always on the brink of closing every minute, you know,

794
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: because yeah, but you had nothing to lose because you

795
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: had been to the bottom in your life exactly, and

796
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: losing would have meant going back. There was no fucking

797
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: way I was going back. So I had no choice.

798
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: It had to succeed. So I couldn't give up, because

799
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: giving up would be death. It just couldn't happen. I

800
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: would have to go back, My daughter would have to go.

801
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: You would get shut out with the door, you go

802
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: through the window. You you had a million mistakes, but

803
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: you figured it out. You kept That's why we have

804
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: a lot in common. Because I was thirty eight, I

805
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: had no family, no money. I had eight thousand dollars

806
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: to my name and all rent. I could not afford

807
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: a twenty five dollar taxi downtown. I wasn't panhandling. I

808
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: do not compare myself to the impoverished community. But I

809
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: was broke, so I this was not I had nowhere

810
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: to go. No one was going to ever pass away

811
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: and leave me any money. I am an only child.

812
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: I had been engaged and broken off all my engagements

813
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: because I didn't want someone to support me. I just

814
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: had to figure it out. Yeah, I wanted to do,

815
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: but I had no there's no it's not like you know,

816
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: because it's sound bites, and because the book hasn't come

817
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: out yet, it sounds like, oh yes. And I had

818
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: a shoe brand, and then it became a parla and

819
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: then it's not like that. It was hell it was.

820
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: There's no successful self made person or even if it's

821
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: been given to them. There's no person who's running a

822
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,479
Speaker 1: business on their own that it's working out of luck.

823
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: There's nobody. It's you could get lucky, and there's no

824
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: Instagram influencer that it's working out of luck. It could

825
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: start out of luck. There's no one who's just walking

826
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: around successful out of Kim Kardashian is not lucky. Kim

827
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: Kardashian works her ass off. She may have had strokes

828
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: of luck by growing up in Beverly Hills and same

829
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: thing with the rest of the family. But Chris Jenner

830
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: does not funk around. And that is all skill and

831
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: hard work and strategy, absolutely, and that's what it is like.

832
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because you know, I had patents

833
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: pending on my shoes. I've invented this new kind of

834
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: shape where that's coming out. I've got shoes that are

835
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: coming out next year that you can kind of click together.

836
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: I've got all these things. I work twenty hour days.

837
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever met me now oh today, Now,

838
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: these are all things that I have now and yet

839
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: still people say, oh, she married a rich guy. I

840
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: would love to see if a successful man married a

841
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: wealthy woman, if they would say he married a rich woman.

842
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. So tell us about Elite, because then

843
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: I have a less I literally the first time I've

844
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: ever not even looked at the questions as I haven't.

845
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: Literally just this has been insane. So tell me about

846
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: Elite and this is what we all what we might

847
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: know of Elite Modeling agency, which is global enterprise. So

848
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: what what is it to people? So when I took over,

849
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: the only reason I did because originally I said no,

850
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: like fifty times, because to me, modeling was the flip

851
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: side of the world I lived in. It was still

852
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: women being objectified, being told to this, to that, dada, dada,

853
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: being chosen by some man, and it just didn't sit

854
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: well with me, got it. But when I started doing research,

855
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: because that's what I do, I research, I study my opponents.

856
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, uh, you've got to be the sun Sue

857
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: of of the entertainment industry, right, So once I studied

858
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: the mistakes of my opponents, I realized that we are

859
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: sitting at the crux of a completely knew era in

860
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: terms of how people connect to each other. So think

861
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: about it, like you, right, you have the audience, You're

862
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: the talent. You have the audience. You have more audience

863
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: than NBC does because the audience has shifted to the talent.

864
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: So if the minute you start thinking that the audience

865
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: has shifted to the talent, you lie. Okay, If the

866
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: talent has the audience, they're the media. Mh. They have

867
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: the power. It's a massive shift in the power dynamic.

868
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Oh like long gone or the days when a studio

869
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: owned talent, they had studio, and actually think about it

870
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: and think about the fact that, like if you were

871
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: a model, right, and the old go back, not old

872
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: in days, go back ten years, go back seven years.

873
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: You could not control your own career. You had to

874
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: wait for someone to choose you, to pick you, for

875
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: the phone to ring. You needed a casting agent or

876
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: a creative director or a photographer to be like, I

877
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: love her, look right. That's how it worked. Nowadays it's

878
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: the flip because now it's the casting agents and creative

879
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: directors and photographers running after the talent. Because the talent

880
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: has the audience, that means they have the power. The

881
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: talent drives in now and so that gives them freedom.

882
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: And what it enabled me to do is to start

883
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: looking at us as a media talent, the first talent

884
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: as media conglomerate. So the two things that that enabled

885
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: me to do. Number one was expand the roster of

886
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: who we represented, because it isn't about the runway, it

887
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: isn't about the magazine cover anymore. It's about not what

888
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: you look like, or how tall you are or how

889
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: hot you are. It's who you are, right because in

890
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: the end, to the person, to create longevity into your career,

891
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: to become a brand, to build yourself into a network,

892
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: you have to have something to say. So we signed

893
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: deep sea divers and mountain climbers and rollerbladers. I don't

894
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: care what I have, like the world's most renowned fencer.

895
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: And you are running this company. I'm the CEO and

896
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: co owner. Okay, So how the hell do you go?

897
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: And I know we have to get off, so but

898
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: I can't stop. How do you go from being in

899
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: the most strict religious environment to sewing to to tafoda

900
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: at a wedding, to making shoes to even shoes to

901
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: laperla like you acted like that was a little short

902
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: cute trip from you know, to to Laperla and then

903
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: who calls you and says we want you to be

904
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: to head Elite, which has nothing to do with Laperla.

905
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, it's like, it's like someone calling me

906
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: tomorrow I'll be like, we run Yahoo. Like no one's

907
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: calling me to run Yahoo. Right, So the reason Elite

908
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: came about is because I had left Laperla. UM, I

909
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: was current, I had invented. I was working on this

910
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: invention that we're popping out this year. It's really exciting.

911
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: It's going to be in Nordstrom and Neemon's and Dillard's

912
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: all over the place. UM and fashion or beauty thing,

913
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: fashion shape where that doesn't look like paper. We changed

914
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: the way that color is fused with fabrics so it

915
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: can stretch like the last girl, and so you can

916
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: have shaper that looks like laundry. It's really exciting. So

917
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: I was working at all these things and my husband

918
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: owned Elite at the time, and so, and he was

919
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: not happy with you know, what was happening there, and

920
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: he didn't think that he knows me. By at that point,

921
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: you knew me already, and he knew that I tend

922
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: to not see what is, but see what could be.

923
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: And I and I'm a planner and an organizer. He

924
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: saw my capabilities when we were at lap Pearl Law,

925
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: and so he tried to convince me to take this

926
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: over for probably nine months before I actually said yes,

927
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: because he kept on saying investigate, investigate, listen, study, learn right,

928
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: and so I bought into the company. I own half

929
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: of it, meaning separate from him. That's an important distinction

930
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: saying I we own. Now each of us own. I'm

931
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: a co owner of the company. So your partners with

932
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: your husband and we are partners, correct, we are equal partners.

933
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: Who gets the final say no, we're literally fifty fifty

934
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: where he break the tie? What happens if there's well,

935
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: so the beauty of what the deal that we made

936
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: is that if I take over, I take over. Okay,

937
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: that's he has no h he'll you know. The beautiful

938
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: thing about my husband is that he'll He has never

939
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: tried to take any credit from me. He's the person

940
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: who touts my accomplishments to everyone who can who he knows,

941
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: So I you know, he's a really you know, he

942
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: took my last name. Let's just put it that way, right, man?

943
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: Who Yeah, he took the last did you get married

944
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: two years ago? And he okay, well, you know because

945
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: it took you know, you know, I said yes to

946
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: you know when he proposed to me. But I told him, look,

947
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: I created Juilliard, I made her. I'm not giving her

948
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: for any man. And so he was like, fine, no problem.

949
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: And I figured, you know, he'll keep his last name.

950
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: I'll keep my last name. No big deal. Then we

951
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: order um silverware from Tiffany and a massive amount because

952
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 1: I love entertaining. And you know, once once you what's

953
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: it called, when you engrave it, that's it. No returns, right,

954
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: So they come it's all this. I think it was

955
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 1: a set of you know, for thirty people or forty people.

956
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly how many. But it's a massive

957
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: set of coulory of silver. And I opened it up

958
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: and it says on each fork on each NIGHTE it

959
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: says J S with a big H in the middle.

960
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: And I was said, oh my god, they messed up

961
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: at Tiffany. I told him I wasn't taking his last name,

962
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: and so they thought it was my last name. And

963
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: now we can't return it. What am I gonna do.

964
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: So I walk over to my husband, I'm like, um, surprised,

965
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: I think Tiffany made a mistake, and he tells me, Nope,

966
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: they didn't make a mistake. I'm taking your Oh my god,

967
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: what a what a pendulum swinging from your former life?

968
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: Rhy Can you imagine? No, that's okay, that a whide

969
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: we known thing like in your world, Like that's crazy.

970
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: You came from, like you're not allowed to even be

971
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: an quote unquote normal woman. And now you've me that's

972
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: the best part of that's bout. I'm so glad I

973
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 1: asked that question. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

974
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: And then usually I asked whether you're what percentage lucky,

975
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: lucky and smart you are? That's been answered by this podcast.

976
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: And I just would like to know, um, your rose

977
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: of your career and your thorn of your career. So

978
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: the rose of my career is that, you know, people

979
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: always Gertrude Stein, who it was a woman that I

980
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, I've read about extensively because she was, um,

981
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: a proud lesbian in the nine twenties, openly lived with

982
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: her girlfriend at a time when that was not even

983
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: remotely acceptible. She's considered the mother of Impressionist art. She

984
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: used to bring all these intellectuals to their into their homes.

985
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: So I thought that was such a beautiful way to live.

986
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: And so she once said, when asked about impressionist art,

987
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: like because this is where people would see it for

988
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: the first time. Um. And so she once asked what

989
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: people's reaction to the art was when they saw it

990
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: for the first time, and she said a line that

991
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: pretty much encapsulates my life. She said, they come to mock,

992
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 1: but they stayed to pray, meaning every time I've done

993
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: something differently. You know when I said we're now talent media,

994
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna go digital. We're gonna bring in producers, directors, filmographers,

995
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: videographers to truly transform our talent into brands and networked.

996
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna give them longevity and financial control. We're gonna

997
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: build avatars out of them so they could walk seventeen

998
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: virtual runways in seventeen countries without ever leaving their bedroom.

999
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: All the things that I was talking about in two

1000
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, people thought I was crazy. They literally thought

1001
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: I was crazy, Just like when I was in the

1002
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: Pearl Law and I was talking about melding comfort with

1003
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: beauty and luxury and that women should no longer suffer

1004
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: for beauty. Again, I was told, Julia, don't talk comforts

1005
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: a dirty word in the fashion industry. Was like that, ridiculous.

1006
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: Men don't suffer for beauty? Why is comfort a journey? World?

1007
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: So always I tend to be the you know, I'm

1008
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: always a source of I guess I'm like a lightning

1009
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: lot of you know, because I'm constantly messing with the

1010
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: status quo and saying, well, this doesn't make sense, that

1011
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, Let's do it this way. And so

1012
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: in the beginning they come to mock. Then my ideas

1013
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: were Now our valuation is literally I mean it was

1014
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: valued at ninety million. Um. You know, we've recently been

1015
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: valued by some things that I will talk about on

1016
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: another day, and over a billion dollars in two years.

1017
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: This was an unexpected Well, I get asked every day,

1018
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: will you ever come back to the Housewives? And you

1019
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: know what, the day that you come, the day that

1020
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: you do the Housewives, and I build a cast around

1021
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: you and I that's the day that I'll go back

1022
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: to the Housewives, perfect because I have a feeling you

1023
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: and I have a lot in common. Amazing, and see

1024
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: we butt heads for a minute, but you just got

1025
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: to go on the journey with man. So now let's

1026
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: get to keeping out of the way, because you have

1027
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: a more crazy story that I really want to What

1028
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: is the name of your book. It's called Brazen. You've

1029
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: seen the cover on Amazon and Barnes and Noble or

1030
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: wherever else you can buy books. So that was the

1031
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: original cover that the um my I mean, I love

1032
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: my publishers um came up with. But I told them, guys, look,

1033
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: this is my story. I really want to design my

1034
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: own cover. Wow, that's crazy. It looks amazing, it looks

1035
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: very serious, it looks amazing. Great and great title. And

1036
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: then the show is My Unorthodox Life, also on Netflix.

1037
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: And um last thing, because I talked about successful relationships

1038
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: between successful people, which you and your husband and arguably

1039
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: are what are your guidelines, your rules things in a

1040
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: day to day relationship that create a successful relationship. I

1041
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: just think honestly, mutual respect and equality because my my

1042
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: first marriage, it's not that my my ex husband was

1043
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: bad or unkind in any way. He really was not.

1044
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: He's a genuinely lovely human being. But he was taught

1045
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: he's as much a victim as I am. He was

1046
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: taught that his his purpose was to police me right.

1047
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: And so what I realized with Sylvie, I think the

1048
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway is that you can still be independent and

1049
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: respected as an individual, even within a marriage. Well this

1050
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: was extraordinary, to say the least. And I'm glad we

1051
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: got as much as we could to connect those two

1052
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: worlds because it's important. Thank you so much. That was

1053
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: really fun. So that was Julia Hartt Okay. So I

1054
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: didn't even know who she was. I know of the

1055
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: company Elite. This is a woman who was living in

1056
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: what she felt to be an imprisonment where women were

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Speaker 1: an inferior We're just we're like an are your race.

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Speaker 1: It was almost like women work, It's not almost women

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Speaker 1: are inferior in this community. This is a woman who

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Speaker 1: went from that to sewing, which was something that she

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Speaker 1: was allowed to do, and cooking, to having a shoe business,

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Speaker 1: to working as the creative director of La Perla, to

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Speaker 1: now being married to a man who took her last

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Speaker 1: name and who is the CEO of Elite, which is

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Speaker 1: an international you know, it's a global media company. That

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Speaker 1: she was laughed at just a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: and it was valued it probably a hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 1: and now it's valued it more than one billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: She has a book called Brazen. She is probably less

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Speaker 1: brazen than I am, but she's certainly raisen. And we

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Speaker 1: started off and I think she just thought this was

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Speaker 1: gonna be a business conversation where she was just going

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Speaker 1: to promote her book like every other podcast. And I

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Speaker 1: really held her feet to the fire to explain to

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Speaker 1: us where she's come from, so we understand the factory

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Speaker 1: of where she's come from to where she is now,

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Speaker 1: from going from living a life in black and white

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Speaker 1: to living a life in color. Literally, it went from

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Speaker 1: where I was almost going to say this may not

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Speaker 1: be the podcast for you, to it being I went

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Speaker 1: longer than anybody and it being probably my favorite podcast.

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Speaker 1: This was crazy. Let's see what you think. Remember to rate, review,

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Speaker 1: and subscribe. It always gets a little hated around here

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Speaker 1: in some way or another. I'm always on the brink

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Speaker 1: of getting myself in serious trouble, which I knew walking

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Speaker 1: into this experience. So thank you for listening and growing

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Speaker 1: with us, because this podcast is growing and it's all

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Speaker 1: thanks to you.