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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: From the Drive, I'm Bill LOLLI he is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: And well, Matt, we are now less than a week away,

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Speaker 2: or a little over a week away, I should say,

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Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft, about a week and a half.

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Speaker 2: Actually less than ten days, let's put it that way.

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Speaker 1: We go, we're ten days.

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Speaker 2: Accounting coming down the home stretch. And this is rumor season.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Billy rumor season, rumor season, right, yeah. And

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Speaker 2: I believe we talked about this last week, this first

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Speaker 2: rumor which involves the Steelers. When we talked about last week,

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Speaker 2: there was a report out there that the Steelers had

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Speaker 2: contacted the Chicago Bears about moving up to number nine

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Speaker 2: in this draft, and every but he was, well, they

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Speaker 2: got to be moving up to number nine to get

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Speaker 2: to get a cornerback or an offensive tackle. And I said, look,

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Speaker 2: the only way I move up to number nine is

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Speaker 2: if Jalen Carter's available.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I agree, And that's.

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Speaker 2: The only way you move up to nine. And if

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Speaker 2: I'm the Chicago Bears, I'm not interested in trading to

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Speaker 2: pick at nine. If Jalen Carter's.

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Speaker 1: There, well, unless you're unless you're overwhelmed, Yeah, unless you're

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the young man's off the field stuff. And

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Speaker 1: everyone's gonna judge that differently. I don't know that he

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Speaker 1: even gets a nine to be there's starting with Seattle.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of land mines that could end up

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Speaker 1: being Jalen.

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Speaker 2: Seattle could take him, Detroit could take him, Atlanta could

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Speaker 2: take him. I mean, any Tide could use that guy.

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Speaker 1: He's the best player in the draft of my pit.

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Speaker 1: So the chances he gets to nine I think are

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Speaker 1: twenty percent, and I would bet, as you insinuated, the

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Speaker 1: Bears would be thrilled to do it. A couple levels there. Off,

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Speaker 1: there isn't a tackle or a corner to me that's

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Speaker 1: worth the price of going from seventeen. No, but not

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Speaker 1: for that cost. Carter would only would be the only one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, frankly, I don't think i'd do it for

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson. I mean, I mean, he's not gonna get

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Speaker 1: there in a million years anyway. And as we did mention,

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Speaker 1: every team saw having that conversation. You know, that's what's happened.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: You may you may know that the Bears are comfortable

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Speaker 1: moving all the way to seventeen. But the Lions tell you, now,

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Speaker 1: we have a pick in that neighborhood. That's too far

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Speaker 1: for us. We can't do business, you know, Okay, scratch

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Speaker 1: them off the list, you know what I mean. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of things. Stuff. Things are happening right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and nobody tells the other team, hey, we're coming

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Speaker 2: up to take this guy. If you think back to

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Speaker 2: so when the Steelers traded up to get Troy Polamalu

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, the Kansas City chiefs thought

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Speaker 2: the Steeler were coming up to take Larry Johnson.

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Speaker 1: To take Larry Johnson, right, what's funny. I'm sure I've

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Speaker 1: told you this story or on the air. I was

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Speaker 1: in the building next door with the Panthers, and the

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Speaker 1: Steelers were nice enough to let Walt Harris come in

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Speaker 1: look at their draft board the night before the draft

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Speaker 1: and he's like, Matt, I know you're super into this,

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Speaker 1: and you're a big Steelers guy. They love Larry Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Larry Johnson's gonna be Steeler next year. And I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's hard to believe, Okay, coach cool and less, Troy

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Speaker 1: paulam Mala is there, right, So I think there was

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Speaker 1: you know, that wasn't crazy talk, and they felt very

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Speaker 1: comfortable with Johnson, But holy smoked, Paula Malo's there.

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Speaker 2: Let's go get him. And that's the only way you

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Speaker 2: trade up, right, right, was if you're going up to

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Speaker 2: get a Hall of Fame guy. Now, they obviously didn't

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Speaker 1: But they liked them.

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Speaker 2: But they liked him enough to think, well, this guy

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Speaker 2: has a chance to be really special. You don't just

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Speaker 2: trade up because of a need here, No, you trade

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Speaker 2: up for a special.

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Speaker 1: Player, right or I can't believe our sixth ranked player

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Speaker 2: There at eighteen or what that's to make if fitz

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Speaker 2: Patrick argument too. When when the Steelers traded for Mike I.

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Speaker 2: Fitzpatrick in nineteen twenty nineteen, I mean he was the

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Speaker 2: right right, he was in the top five. So they

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Speaker 2: they weren't to have a chance to get him.

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Speaker 1: No, they weren't gonna get them where they pick.

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Speaker 2: They just don't get the They don't get the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to get those guys. When Joe Hayden becomes available, you

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Speaker 2: go get those guys. Patrick Peterson, you're not in a situation.

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Speaker 2: You're not in a position to draft those guys typically

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Speaker 2: where they where they pick right.

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Speaker 1: And what's different about those than obviously the jaysn Carter

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Speaker 1: situation is they have NFL experience. But that was unique

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Speaker 1: with Minka too, because he's still super young. I get

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Speaker 1: to LSU, and he sure fits in. I'm even more

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Speaker 1: comfortable trading up for a player that I've have NFL

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, we'll see if that all comes

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Speaker 2: for fruition. This is silly season. This is where all

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Speaker 2: kinds of rumors come out. You know, take it all

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Speaker 2: with a grain of salt. The Steelers did today, however, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Real quick guys on one more Jalen Carter note is

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Speaker 1: a lot of this is stemming from a Peter King article. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't even say in the article the Steelers

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Speaker 1: are trying to go at Jalen Carter. It was the

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Speaker 1: perfect landing spot for the Jalen Carter is with Cam

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Speaker 1: Hayward and Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, right, right right, two draft visitors today.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, two very interesting names Brian Bersah makes sense. And

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Speaker 2: Broderick Jones.

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Speaker 1: Okay, both make perfect sense. Jones would be hard to

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Speaker 1: There's a couple spots, several spots before the Steelers pick

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Speaker 1: where he would have a tough time getting passed, you know.

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Speaker 1: Scorronski Johnson Jones question Scornsky for me, isn't for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I think we agree on that anymore. Yeah, because of

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Speaker 1: the guard moves. What percent chance is Jones or Johnson

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Speaker 2: I think it's like a fifteen percent chance, Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: less than one in five.

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Speaker 1: Would you consider back to the trade up conversation going

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Speaker 2: Again, I'll go back to what I've continued to say

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Speaker 2: think bands do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or mock drafters. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: Even I saw Rich Freebar put out a piece today

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Speaker 2: and where they ranked last year. They were like they

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Speaker 2: were in the high high teens, and both were better

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Speaker 2: so I mean people thought, well, that offensive line is awful. No,

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Speaker 1: There really isn't. I mean, I'll be honest. I mean,

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Speaker 1: offensive line stats aren't gospel to me. But maybe you're

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Speaker 1: three spots off, You're not going to be twenty spots

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Speaker 2: Right? You know, so I I'm not giving up picks

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Speaker 2: to do that. No, I'm with you on that too,

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Speaker 2: So I'm not you know. So, you know, if one

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Speaker 2: they're not available, you draft something else. And that's where

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Speaker 2: there's a report out there that were going to bring

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he was on the list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have not done that as far as as

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Speaker 2: At the wide receiver position, they brought in Johnny Jonathan Mingo,

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Speaker 2: day two, Day three guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Day two big slot guys type get.

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Speaker 2: Very There's there's a lot of similar traits there with

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's much smoke screening going on

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Speaker 2: At the offensive tackle position, they only brought in two

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Speaker 2: Jones today and Anton Harrison.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they were they were supposed.

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Speaker 2: To bring into one Jones as far as I know. Again,

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Speaker 2: much like Clayton Tune, that didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, both of whom are left. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: that the I think the true rights aren't real. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that must have been expensive. In the next day,

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Speaker 2: Interior offensive Lineman, I'm including Cody Match in this one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Okay, I bet a lot of people are losing their

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Speaker 2: And that's to me screams smoke screen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes and no. I think I was told. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if there's any truth to this that the

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Speaker 1: Torrance one was set up before they signed Solamalu. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Maybe, and that may have been the case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you could cancel it whatever. I mean.

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Speaker 2: Torrence came in on April fifth, so okay, it was

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Speaker 2: right around, you know, just a little bit after that

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Speaker 1: So the name I didn't know when I saw that

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Speaker 1: is that Zabala? Yeah, I bet he has taken more

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Speaker 1: trips than anyone in the country because he wasn't a

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Speaker 1: Combine invite. He blows up NC State's pro day and

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Speaker 1: you go back to the film. He wasn't on the

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Speaker 1: lists early on you go back to the film, like

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Speaker 1: he's pretty decent, Like I think he could be a

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Speaker 1: day to guard, but if you didn't know anything about him.

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Speaker 1: Not they didn't know anything about him. But they didn't

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Speaker 1: have any of the medicals. They didn't. They didn't. They

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Speaker 1: like every other team in the league, had a lot

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Speaker 1: of incompletes on his reports. That's why you bring people in,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, like I have for three questions,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where to rank this guy because I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he has good knees or whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the other ones can play center.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, for like John Michael Schmidt's

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Speaker 2: came in March twenty fourth, right right, Well that was

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Speaker 1: Don't think any those guys are gonna be Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either. On the defensive line, they brought

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Speaker 1: Here's you know that's flip weights and you know, eat

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that group, if you look at that group,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, Pulley to a Polo two was in as well.

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Speaker 1: Not as explosive. I just don't see it with that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, lined up outside the tackles a lot. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They also brought in Robert Beale from Georgia and Felix

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Speaker 2: I mean he'd be a yeah edge, as would Beeal.

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Speaker 2: Though, those are all you know, you're not probably not

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Speaker 1: Yes, I know we've had this conversation, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think that. I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Right right, you know, I think the other guys, of

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Speaker 2: if Forbes and Ringo are both kind of in play there,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they would consider Brents at thirty two.

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Speaker 1: He has unique traits. Yeah, that's after there's I mean,

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Speaker 2: You don't know, right, you know, they're.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're no little guys, No, no little guys. Two safeties.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I definitely don't think that. I'm actually just

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Speaker 1: what was that was Scott? Right? He's safety eleven on

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Speaker 2: That's the problem. So you know, some of those guys

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Speaker 2: Ingles five nine nine.

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Speaker 1: He's a safety as well, you said, and screams slot

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Speaker 1: Oh that's not the top thirty three, gotcha? Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 2: And so that might be one that you're looking at. Hey,

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna pitch on the spot a little. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know this, maybe don't. I sure don't. And educated gas,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that that's a priority. Certainly now

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Speaker 2: So we'll see. I mean, that's that's why they that's

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Speaker 1: I'd say that teams have this information and I bet

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Speaker 1: You know, are the Raiders super high or the Giants

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Speaker 1: what teams lie to us and what teams really bringing

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Speaker 1: the guys that they want? Yeah?

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