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Speaker 1: That is right, So I know, y'all macka y'all Like damn,

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Speaker 1: That's right. But today, so if you missed it, Barack Obama,

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama actually is the epitome of what Martin Luther

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Speaker 1: The Happy morning, Look the King day is the breakfast

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Speaker 1: this Jeremy, Hey, Jeremy, get it off his chess? Hey?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Broke? Get it off your chests? Yeah? What

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Speaker 1: good morning, good morning, just happening, king. It was good,

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Speaker 1: got no bags to chase. We could stay here all day.

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Speaker 1: But guys, sorry that this whole COVID thing prohibited us

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Speaker 1: from the actually meeting in person again. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting down and chopping it up. I brought you guys.

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Speaker 1: You look rich. I haven't gonna lie to you. I'm

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Speaker 1: proud of you. Bro, you look rich. Say yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate I appreciate it. I fully do. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate guys, man for everything, y'all, Thank you, peace King. Alright,

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Speaker 1: just join the Lucas. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne, the guy we

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Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club that when we come back, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get on our interview with Barack Obama. President Barack Obama.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna get that on in a second. To

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Speaker 1: don't move happy, Martin Luther King Day. It's the Breakfast

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Speaker 1: Local Morning, the Breakfast Club, Envy, Angela Ye and Charlomagne

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Speaker 1: the God Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy and Jela Ye,

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Speaker 1: Charlemagne the Guy. We are to Breakfast Club. And that

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Speaker 1: is what we do every line. You were talking nice

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Speaker 1: and love. This is how we talk every day, and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't coming in high and now you are well,

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Speaker 1: now we are. We have a special guest. He served

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Speaker 1: eight years as the forty fourth president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, President Barack Obama. Never heard of him,

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Speaker 1: never heard of him. You know what I heard of, y'all.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate you guys having me. It's wonderful to

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Speaker 1: see you again. Thank you for being in. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And we don't have much time, so let's get right

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Speaker 1: into us A Promised Land. Why is that the title

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Speaker 1: for your book? When I think about America, I think

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Speaker 1: about both where we've been, where we might be going.

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Speaker 1: I'm reminded of Doctor King's speech, the famous speech he

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Speaker 1: gave shortly before he got shot about I might not

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Speaker 1: get there with you, but I've been at the mountain

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Speaker 1: top and I see the promised land, and I think

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Speaker 1: that that idea that we're not where we need to be,

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Speaker 1: but we still act the faith and the belief that

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Speaker 1: we can get there. That's how I think about America.

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Speaker 1: That's how I think about my own political journey. That's

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Speaker 1: not one where it's ever gonna be finished. It's not

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Speaker 1: one where racism is gone or inequality is gone, but

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Speaker 1: what we can continually try to do better. That was

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Speaker 1: the spirit that I wanted to communicate. You see in

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Speaker 1: the preface that America's ideals have always been secondary to

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Speaker 1: conquest and subjugation, a racial cast system, and that to

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Speaker 1: pretend otherwise is to be complicit in a game that

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Speaker 1: was rigged from the start. So my question is, if

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Speaker 1: the game is rigged, and we know the fight is fixed,

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Speaker 1: how could black people ever believe in this idea of

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Speaker 1: America being a promised to land. That's one argument, and

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Speaker 1: that's how some people feel, and obviously there's evidence of that. Slavery.

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Speaker 1: Jim Crow, Native Americans being driven from their lands. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, what we also have stories of is

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Speaker 1: abolition and civil rights movement and folks fighting for their

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Speaker 1: freedom and generation passing on a legacy of struggle that

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Speaker 1: results in something a little bit better. What I try

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Speaker 1: to do book as a whole is painting an honest

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Speaker 1: picture about how there's a gap between the myth of

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Speaker 1: America and the reality of America. Will never completely close

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Speaker 1: that gap, but if we put in the effort, if

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Speaker 1: we stay focused, reach out, then we can get closer

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Speaker 1: to the ideal. You know, one of the lessons I

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Speaker 1: try to teach in the book about politics is it's

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Speaker 1: never going to be perfect. We live in a big

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Speaker 1: country with a lot of different points of view. We've

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Speaker 1: got hundreds of years of oppression and discrimination that have

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Speaker 1: to be overcome. We've got, you know, the natural human

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Speaker 1: impulses that you see around the world, greed, power, you know,

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Speaker 1: folks trying to get over on others. But you also

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Speaker 1: see kindness, courage, folks looking out for each other, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of goodness along with the bad and and

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Speaker 1: in politics, the job is not to think that you're

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Speaker 1: ever going to eliminate all the bad. Its can can

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Speaker 1: you empower the good to make more kids get a

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Speaker 1: better education, to make sure that some folks have better healthcare,

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you know, there's less discrimination, and

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Speaker 1: that the police are more accountable. And if you if

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Speaker 1: you do that and you stick with it. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: distance that we've traveled, let's say, just in my lifetime,

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Speaker 1: we were talking before we got on the air, I'm

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Speaker 1: fifty nine. I don't feel old. And in you know,

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Speaker 1: human history, fifty nine years is a blink of the eye.

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Speaker 1: None of us would have been sitting here fifty nine

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Speaker 1: years ago. We couldn't imagine, you know, you guys having

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Speaker 1: your own show that you control and that you produce.

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't imagine being a former president and having

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Speaker 1: a best selling book that just wasn't in the cards.

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Speaker 1: And that was just you know, in my life. And

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Speaker 1: so we can imagine if we keep working that maybe

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Speaker 1: our kids, certainly our grandkids, if we do it right,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be that much more ahead of the

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Speaker 1: game now. But you know, one thing that we always

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Speaker 1: have to remember is history doesn't just go forward, it

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Speaker 1: can go backwards too, and if we're not vigilant, things

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Speaker 1: can get worse. President Obama. I wanted to ask you

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Speaker 1: something about Rev. And Jeremiah Right from in your book,

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Speaker 1: because you've addressed it, Michelle Obama has addressed it. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that in today's climate, the comments and the

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Speaker 1: speeches that Jeremiah Right Gabe would still be looked at

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Speaker 1: the same way where you would have had to distance

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Speaker 1: it yourself him today. Yeah, you know, it's Look, it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting thing. As I write about in the book.

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Speaker 1: You know, Reverend Wright as an example of somebody who

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Speaker 1: supremely gifted Preacher Trinity United Church of Christ on Sasas

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Speaker 1: Chicago had amazing ministry still does. I was very close

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Speaker 1: to a lot of people in that congregation as well

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Speaker 1: as Reverend Right. In national politics, if you can take

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Speaker 1: out a bunch of sound bites that say goddamn America,

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Speaker 1: even if the context of it is prophetic and biblical,

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Speaker 1: and he's trying to describe, you know, how somebody might feel.

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Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't promoting the notion that God was

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Speaker 1: damning America. He was making the point that if you

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Speaker 1: looked at slavery and discrimination, you could see the conclusion

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Speaker 1: of people feeling that there was not an alignment with

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Speaker 1: Christian values and America. But if you'd see a two

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Speaker 1: minute SoundBite trying to explain that is too complicated. In

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Speaker 1: my campaign, I had to constantly manage the fact that

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Speaker 1: truths that black folks experience on a day to day

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Speaker 1: basis are not going to be the same as the

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Speaker 1: truths that the country as a whole experience. But if

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Speaker 1: you want to operate at the highest level of politics,

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Speaker 1: you have to be able to communicate and translate for

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Speaker 1: the country as a whole. And there were times where

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Speaker 1: I was surprised by the reaction of folks, generally white voters,

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Speaker 1: to certain things that to me didn't seem like it

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Speaker 1: was something they should be surprised or upset about. And

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Speaker 1: I suspect attitudes would probably be a little bit different now.

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Speaker 1: And I give to give one example that I use

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Speaker 1: in the book, when Professor Skip Gates gets arrested in

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Speaker 1: his own house. I write about the fact that in

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Speaker 1: a press conference, I'm asked about it and I said, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the police probably acted stupidly and

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Speaker 1: arresting you know, sixty year old professor who's got a

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Speaker 1: lame leg in his own house after he's shown them ideas.

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Speaker 1: Even if he cussed out the police. All they have

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Speaker 1: to do is just leave right, And that was treated

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Speaker 1: with all kinds of controversy, and my polling with white

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Speaker 1: voters dropped drastically because the notion is somehow I was

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Speaker 1: insulting the police. I think today, in light of everything

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Speaker 1: that's happened and part of what happened this summer terms

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Speaker 1: of raising awareness of potential bias in the criminal justice system,

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Speaker 1: I suspect that that would not have seemed as much

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Speaker 1: of a controversial statement as it was viewed at the time,

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Speaker 1: even though at the time I didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: particularly controversial. You talk about that in a Good Fight chapter.

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Speaker 1: Henry Lewis gets the Gate situation, but you also say

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't have happened to a white person in the

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Speaker 1: same situation. But at the same time you say, you

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Speaker 1: wish you had have said that then, but you didn't.

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Speaker 1: So we bite our tongue in situations like that. Who

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Speaker 1: we trying to protect. One of the things that you

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Speaker 1: that I try to communicate in this book is what's

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Speaker 1: the best way to expand folks understanding? Right there? Where

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Speaker 1: do you see teachable moments? And there have been times where,

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Speaker 1: for example, the tragedy in Charleston when Pickney and others

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Speaker 1: who are praying and invited a young white man into

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Speaker 1: pray with them. He then shoots them. He's obviously his

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Speaker 1: head's been filled up with racist ideology. That was a

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Speaker 1: teachable moment where I could say some things that I

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Speaker 1: might not have said in another context. You know. And

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Speaker 1: part of what I also try to describe in the

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Speaker 1: book is the fact that the prophetic voice that you

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Speaker 1: have if you are a civil rights leader, if you're

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Speaker 1: a Malcolm, if you're a Martin, is not going to

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Speaker 1: be the same voice as if you're a politician, Because politicians.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is, I've got to figure out how

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Speaker 1: do I get this white senator from this conservative state

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Speaker 1: to maybe support this built That's different from me teaching

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Speaker 1: as a civil rights leader or a movement leader, and

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Speaker 1: each show us have different roles to play in that process.

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Speaker 1: Now we have more with Barack Obama, President Barack Obama.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, it's the Breakfast Club, Good morning morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We

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Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. We're celebrating Luther King Day. We're

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Speaker 1: not here but we're getting on our interview with Barack Obama.

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Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club. Good Morning. One thing I love

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Speaker 1: about the book, President Obama is you talk about your

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Speaker 1: relationship with your wife, and you talk about how your

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Speaker 1: wife is the boss and you're scared of them. You

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Speaker 1: also talk about how every decision has to be approved

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Speaker 1: by your wife. You Know. One thing that I love

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Speaker 1: about the book is everybody talks about relationships and sometimes

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Speaker 1: things seem perfect, but in your book you show that

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Speaker 1: things aren't perfect. You know, I've been married nineteen years.

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Speaker 1: So when you talk about your wife and you talk

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Speaker 1: about how hard it was and how she didn't want

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Speaker 1: you to run, how bad did it get in the household?

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Speaker 1: Did it ever get to the point where it was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, maybe this is not going to work

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Speaker 1: for us? Or is that never an option when it

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Speaker 1: came to a relationship. So I think I think there

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Speaker 1: were times where certainly she thought this wasn't gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Michelle is somebody who has a different temperament than me,

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Speaker 1: and I think she'd admit that she has more of

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Speaker 1: a temper than I does than I do. I think

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Speaker 1: she can get more pessimistic sometimes about things than I can.

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Speaker 1: I tend to be pretty even keeled. Yeah, we'll figure

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Speaker 1: this out kind of approach. But as I write about

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Speaker 1: in the book, sometimes that's that itself is frustrating to

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Speaker 1: your partner. Right If you're all like, hey, honey, you know, relax,

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Speaker 1: why are you getting so excited about stuff? You know,

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Speaker 1: then she'll be like, Oh, you're just not listening to

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Speaker 1: me at all, Right, And I know I listened to you.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm just saying, you know, it's not so bad. Well,

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Speaker 1: what do you think I'm overreacting? Is that what you're saying? Right?

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Speaker 1: And then you you're in that pattern. So there's no

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Speaker 1: doubt that there were periods. There were episodes where she

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Speaker 1: was questioning whether the life that I had charted for

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Speaker 1: us was compatible with what she wanted out of life.

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Speaker 1: You know, she, you know, Michelle once told me something

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Speaker 1: that I think summed it up pretty well. She said,

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Speaker 1: I have organized my life not to have a lot

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Speaker 1: of mess in my life, and politics, by definition, brings

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Speaker 1: mess into our household. You've got people that I would

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00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: never associate with otherwise who now suddenly are talking about

634
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: us or you know, have impact on our well being.

635
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: And I don't. That's not what I want and I

636
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: understood that. And the sacrifice she made is one that

637
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: you know, I've had to work off, you know, the

638
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: like I I've been. My debt has been it's almost

639
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: like a payday loan, you know, it just keeps on.

640
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: The interest was high. How did y'all get over it?

641
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: Was it therapy? Was it friends? Was it reverence? Was

642
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: it church? Was it prayer? When the terms were over? Well?

643
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: I think all of the above. Yeah. Michelle talked to

644
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: right writes about the fact that you know, we went

645
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: to counseling pre presidency, and that was when the kids

646
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: were small, and I think anybody who's had small kids,

647
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, that's always a strain. You know, as much

648
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: joy as they bring, there is that tension, especially if

649
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: both uh spouses are working right, um and during the

650
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: White House. Look, I give a lot of credit to

651
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: my mother in law because, uh, miss Marian, you know,

652
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: she would Michelle be hot, you know, she'd grow upstairs.

653
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: My mother in law was living on the in the

654
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: sweep and on the third floor, and Michelle to go

655
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: up there, and I'm pretty sure she talked Michelle down

656
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Friends, one thing we Michelle and

657
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: I both tell younger couples who are going through rough patches.

658
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: I think we were pretty good about the fact that

659
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: even when things were tough, we never lost basic respect

660
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: for the other person. We never thought that that person

661
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: was a bad person. We never said things that would

662
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: make it seem as if, oh, you just completely disrespect me.

663
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: It was more, look, I love you, bark, but you

664
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: know this is driving me crazy or un you know

665
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: how much I respect you. But so I think that

666
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: is part of what kept us able to sort this out,

667
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: because we never doubted each other's intentions. And the basic

668
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: fact that you know, my view of Michelle is she

669
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: is a remarkable woman, even you know, if she drive

670
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: me crazy sometimes, I never thought that there was anybody

671
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: who I would rather be with, you know, being that

672
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: you're so even killed, right, did you ever take your

673
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: frustrations from work home? And did you ever do anything

674
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: like punch a wall or what did you do when

675
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: you got mad? You know? I had there were times

676
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: where I would have a potty mouth in the oval office.

677
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: But I heard some of his book, which I appreciate

678
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: because well, I mean, I think it's I think it's

679
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: important to be honest, because part of what I try

680
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: to describe in the book is the White House, you know,

681
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: and the presidency. Look, you're the leader of the free world,

682
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: is the most powerful office on her but it's also

683
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: a job. And the West Wing is also an office,

684
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: and you're going to have some of the same frustrations

685
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: and mistakes and doubts and mishaps as in any office,

686
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: in any job, which also means sometimes you're gonna cuss

687
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: a little bit because because stuff's frustrating. Um, working out

688
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: was important, you know, we get those workouts in sometimes.

689
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Uh you know, dear friend of ours who who was

690
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: also a trainer, Cornell mccleollen, we uh uh, you would

691
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: get the boxing gloves out and it didn't seem too funness.

692
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: A lot of older people in the White House that

693
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: you can't just say, let's play a pickup game. Those

694
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: guys pass out, you know. Now. I had my weekend

695
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: game though with Reggie love right who you know on

696
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: Reggie at that time was you know, probably he just

697
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: turned thirty. He wasn't posting up Joe Biden, and so no,

698
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: we could we couldn't play. We couldn't play in the

699
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: White House. We had a we had a regular game.

700
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Reggie had his crew, and so we we had regular

701
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: bad fsketball games. You know a lot of times though,

702
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, you would just try to take the long

703
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: view in dealing with frustrations. If Mitch McConnell and the

704
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: Republicans were blocking something for no reason, if they were

705
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: playing games that actually had real consequences in terms of

706
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: people being able to get healthcare or be able to

707
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: get some relief from unemployment or what have you. You know,

708
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: you just had to remind yourself that you were in

709
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: a long term contest and there were going to be

710
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: up and downs at any given time, but that if

711
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: you kept your eye on the ball, that you know,

712
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: sooner or later you can prepare, you know, and yes

713
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: we can chapter them. You discuss how you were frustrated

714
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: with the constant need to soften for white folks benefit

715
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: the blunt truths about raising this country. You still feel

716
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: the need to do that after the last four years,

717
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: we wouldn't. Well, I think we're all a little bit

718
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: more open and aware. And one of the things that

719
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: I was really inspired by in the wake of tragedy

720
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: was the response after George Floyd's murder, because what you

721
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: saw was not only people of all walks of life

722
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: out there protesting. It wasn't just black folks. But when

723
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: you looked at the polling, you actually saw that by

724
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: a significant number, many more white Americans were willing to

725
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: acknowledge problems in the criminal justice system based on race.

726
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: Why do we have to wait on them though, well,

727
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: to speak our truth to power? You know, what this

728
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: comes down to is how do you build coalitions to

729
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: actually get stuff done? Because the truth of the matter

730
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: is is that in very few places are African Americans

731
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: a majority of the vote that you know, it's just

732
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: simple math, right so and right where we're sitting right

733
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: now in Washington, DC, that would be the case. But

734
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: there are not a lot of states, and they're a

735
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: handful of cities where just the black vote delivers the

736
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: power then to actually bring about concrete change. Now we

737
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: have more with Barack Obama, President Barack Obama, when we

738
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: come back, it's the Breakfast Club wanting everybody's DJ Envy

739
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy we are the Breakfast Club

740
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: and getting on that interview with Barack Obama on his

741
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: mortin Luther King Day, it's the breakfast Lugal morning. I

742
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: think I think people want to know, like, what did

743
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: you do specifically for black people? Not the rising tide

744
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: lifts all boats types of rhetoric, because we all know

745
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: black people's boat got to hold in it. So the

746
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: systemic things that we're done to black people to put

747
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: us in these positions, we need specific systemic things to

748
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: get us out. So well, but what I'm doing, what

749
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, tarvel Mane, is black property drop faster than

750
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: everybody else. Black incomes went up more than a lot

751
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: of other folks. So you know, the issue is sometimes

752
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: we just didn't go around advertising that because once again,

753
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: the goal here is to build coalitions where everybody is

754
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: getting something so that they all feel like they've got

755
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: a stake in it. But a lot of my policies

756
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: were targeted towards people most in need. Those folks are

757
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: disproportionately African American. Now, there are some things that for example,

758
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: US having a Civil Rights division in the Justice Department

759
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: that actually took seriously civil rights and imposed consent decrees

760
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: on places like Ferguson, and you know, change sentencing guidelines

761
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: so that we didn't max out on sentencing for all

762
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: non violent drug offenses, but change the incentives of the

763
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: prosecutors were judged not by how long of a sense

764
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: you got, but did you get a proportional sentence? Was

765
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: it a fair sentence? Those kinds of changes that we made.

766
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: That's why I say there's a reason why the federal

767
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: prison population dropped, by the way, at the same time

768
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: the crime also dropped, right, So we were able to

769
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: show that you can have a smart strategy in terms

770
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: of reducing crime without expanding incarceration. But the truth of

771
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: the matter is she at the end of the day,

772
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: there is no way in eight years to make up

773
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: for two hundred years. Absolutely, And the question is constantly,

774
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: how are you going to you know, the way I've

775
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: been describing it because because it's very much how I

776
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: understand the presidency. Now. You're like a relay runner. You know,

777
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: you you're getting the baton from somebody else, and all

778
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: you can do is run your stage or the race,

779
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: and then you pass it on the next person. And

780
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: on either side, both who you got to hit from

781
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: and who you're passing it too, they may not have

782
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: the same priorities that you do. You know, you're you

783
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: know that you're not going to get everything done that

784
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: you need to get done. But what you got to

785
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: do is do your best to get as much done

786
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: as possible, and I think that's what we did. Would

787
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: you say that your intention with this book was to

788
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: explain to people also how difficult it was for you

789
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: to get things passed and for people to see what

790
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: you did do, because, like you said in the book,

791
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times, it's not your policies and what

792
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: you do, it's more what you say and the feeling

793
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: that people have, and that's what they pay attention to.

794
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: So absolutely, Look, let's take something like, you know, the

795
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: the Recovery Act. So I walk in the day I

796
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: walk in, we're losing eight hundred thousand jobs a month.

797
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: The economy is actually contracting faster than it did during

798
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: the Great Depression. And six months later the economy was

799
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: growing again and we had kind of stopped the free fall.

800
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: But if you're somebody who had lost your job at

801
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: that point or lost your house, you're not feeling good.

802
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: And we couldn't go around saying look what a pattering

803
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: ourselves on the back, saying look at what a great

804
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: job we did, because people are still hurting out there.

805
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: I hope if somebody reads this, they come to recognize

806
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: if we want to bring about systemic change, there are

807
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different pressure points that we have

808
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: to apply. It's not just the presidency. So I write

809
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: extensively about the fact that I have a lot of

810
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: power as president. I'm the most powerful person as president,

811
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: but I still need a Congress. I still need to

812
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: make make sure that we have a majority in the

813
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: House of Representatives, because if I don't, I can't get

814
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: any a single law passed if I want to change something.

815
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: On criminal justice reform, it turns out that the federal

816
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: government isn't actually in charge of most criminal law. Most

817
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: criminal laws made at the state level and determined by

818
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: state prosecutors. Most police departments the federal government has done

819
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: to do with that's determined by the mayor in that city.

820
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: Whether they're prosecuted when they do something wrong, that's up

821
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: to the states attorney or attorney in that area. So

822
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: when we think about politics, it is a mistake for

823
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: us to say, Okay, once i'm I voted for president,

824
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm done. And I hope people don't repeat that mistake

825
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: with Biden and Kamala Harris, right, Now we've got two

826
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: seats in Georgia coming up. If the Republicans win those

827
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: two seats, then Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will not

828
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: be able to get any law pass. Asked that Mitch

829
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: McConnell and the Republicans aren't willing to go along with Well,

830
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: you got to do a better job of letting people know. Hey,

831
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to do a lot more for people, especially

832
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: black people, but I couldn't because Miss McConnell was blocking

833
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: me every chance you got. Well, that's why I wrote

834
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: the book that's everybody. Everybody gonna read. That's all I'm saying. Well,

835
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: all these interviews that I hear some people listen to.

836
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: You said, you're telling about Georgia where Warnock, I see

837
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: they're giving him issues about his alliance with Jeremiah Rights

838
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: the same kind of stuff. Did you tell him he

839
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: should step back and denounce him at this point? No. Look,

840
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: first of all, it is a losing game at this

841
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: stage to just go chasing crazy commentary. Uh, there's some

842
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: things you have to answer aggressively, but you can't obsess

843
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: over it. Warnock is doing a great job. If I'm him,

844
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to be emphasizing what am I positively going

845
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: to do on behalf of the people of Georgia that

846
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Speaker 1: as opposed to just trying to play defense against a

847
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: bunch of crazy stuff that's coming out there. But but listen,

848
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: it's hard winning in Georgia, just like it's hard winning

849
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: in Iowa. It's like it's hard in a lot of

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00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: the country. And one thing I think that I hope

851
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: the book also reminds us of, you know, those of

852
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: us who live in DC or New York or LA.

853
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we do not have a a good

854
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: enough sense of how big this country is and how

855
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: a lot of folks do not accept at all things

856
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: that we who are living in urban metropolitan areas just

857
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: take for granted. From South Carolina, I don't know. Yeah,

858
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, you go, there are a

859
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: big chance in the country, even in our own communities, right,

860
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean so so I deeply believe that people should

861
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: be treated equally under the law, regardless of sexual orientation.

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00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: I was shocked you talked about that in the book,

863
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: But we all, you know, I mean, I think they're

864
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: big chunks of our community where that's still controversial. People

865
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: were surprised about a lot of Hispanic folks who voted

866
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: for Trump. But there's a lot of evangelical Hispanics who,

867
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, the fact that Trump says racist things about

868
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: Mexicans or puts detainees, you know, undocumented workers in cages,

869
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: they think that's less important than the fact that, you know,

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00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: he supports their views on you know, gay marriage or abortion. Right.

871
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe when you say this, but then

872
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: you look at the way the government is ran. Right,

873
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: it's about, for instance, you look at these big businesses

874
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: and you look at their taxes, and they don't pay

875
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: taxes at all. And then you look at somebody who

876
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: is just getting by paying as much tax as possible.

877
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: And you look at, for instance, the pandemic task Force

878
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: that you created, and then you see Trump coming office

879
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: and he shuts that down. And then you think to yourself, damn,

880
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: if that task force was still around, with so many

881
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: people have been dead, it's been killed, would we be

882
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: able to save lives? We would have saved some lives.

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00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: Here's one simple statistic. Canada, right right next door. Their

884
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: death rate is forty percent of what oursists per capita.

885
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't you know, so for every help you know,

886
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: one hundred Americans that have died, only forty Canadians have died,

887
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: and that's just a matter of their government making better decisions.

888
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: So the question, though, is is that you still had

889
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: seventy billion people voting for a government that I would

890
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: say objectively as failed miserably and handling this basic looking

891
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: after the American people and keeping them safe. Why is that? Well,

892
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: part of it is because you know, it turns out

893
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: politics is not just about policy. It's not just about numbers.

894
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 1: It's about the stories that are that are being told.

895
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: And the story that they're hearing from Fox News and

896
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh and you know, in some cases inside their

897
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: churches is that Democrats don't believe in Christmas, and you know,

898
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: you only care about minorities and black folks and are

899
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: trying to take your stuff and trying to take your

900
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: guns away, and right there's a whole story that's being

901
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: told to them, and people end up feeling as if

902
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, what we are under attack. That you know,

903
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: what's always interesting to me is the degree of which

904
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: we've created, you've seen created in Republican politics, the sense

905
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: that white males are victims, like they're the ones who

906
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 1: are like under attack, which obviously doesn't jibe with both

907
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: history and data and economics. But that's a sincere belief,

908
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, that's been internalized. That's a story that's being told.

909
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: And how you unwind that is going to be not

910
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: something that is done right away. It's gonna take some time.

911
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: Now we have more with Barack Obama. President Barack Obama.

912
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,479
Speaker 1: When we come back, it's the Breakfast Club Goal Morning.

913
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy. We are

914
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Let's get into our interview with President

915
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: Barack Obama. It's the Breakfast Club Goal Morning. But we

916
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: heard some rulers in this book, how different because you know,

917
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: when I hear that, I'm like and it feels like

918
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: we're catering to white racists all the time. So I

919
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: wonder how different would the DIM strategy be if we

920
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: lived in a one man, one vote society. Would know

921
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: electe oh, I think that would help. Must take a

922
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: simple example like the Senate. So Wyoming, which has about

923
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: half a million people, has the same number of senators

924
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: as California with thirty three million people. Right, So what

925
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: that means is is that the US Senate is hugely

926
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: skewed towards some of these lower population, you know, more rural,

927
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: much wider states than the big coastal states, and that's

928
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: a that's a big difference in terms of getting stuff done.

929
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: So so the bottom line is is that our democracy

930
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: is imperfect. Changing that is going to take a lot

931
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: of effort, because you've got to get over the hump,

932
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: even even just to secure our voting rights. One of

933
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: the things that you know is still at stake at

934
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: Georgia is if we controlled the Senate, then it is

935
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: at least theoretically possible to pass a voting rights bill

936
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: that stops some of this voter suppression and intimidation that

937
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: you're still seeing around the country, and that Republicans have

938
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: been pretty blatant about just saying, look, we just we're

939
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: trying to prevent them for voting. But getting to the

940
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: electoral college, getting to the way that the US Senate

941
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: is skewed, that would require us also potentially admitting Washington,

942
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: DC and Puerto Rico in as states so that you know,

943
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: which has its own politics. You know, it would mean

944
00:55:54,239 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: having states change how they do their electoral count. Um.

945
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: I think the Constitution is outdated, they got to get

946
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: rid of that language. The way that that diverse the

947
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: country is those people weren't at the table when they

948
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: wrote the constitution. You're a constitutional lawyer, you gotta we

949
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: gotta get well, there is a way to change it.

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00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: It's called amending the constitution. The problem is that in

951
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: order to do that, we have to have such an

952
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: increase in awareness and activism. So there's a mechanism to

953
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: amend the constitution, but you just have to get everybody

954
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: involved and focused in it. And this is part of

955
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: the reason. You know, folks have been teaching me about

956
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: how you know, man, that's a long book, and you know,

957
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: Michelle's was so much shorter. And you know, there were

958
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: times where I was tempted to, you know, let me

959
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: just leave out this explanation and that explanation because folks,

960
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, they're not gonna necessarily want to read all that.

961
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: But part of what I wanted to do was just say, man,

962
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: this is the stuff that we've got to know if

963
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: we really want to change stuff, Like you have to

964
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: know about the filibuster in the Senate. Right, So this

965
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: is a rule that wasn't even in the Constitution. This

966
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: is just a rule that the Senate adopted that says

967
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: you have to have sixty votes to pass legislation, you

968
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: have to have a supermajority. That even more empowers those

969
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: little states, right because now they don't even need they

970
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: don't even need fifty Senate votes. They just need forty

971
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: one to basically block anything from getting through the Senate.

972
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 1: That's what happened to me in my first two years

973
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: was I was having to get to sixty votes on everything,

974
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: which meant that the number of Senators that were basically

975
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: representing twenty five percent of the country had a veto

976
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: power over anything we want to try to get done.

977
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: But most people don't know that. You know, if if

978
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: you try to explain to the average brother in the

979
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: barbershop man that filibuster, I just I just thought it

980
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: when people talked for a long time. Yeah, well but

981
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: I learned about But that thing is which, by the way,

982
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: had its roots. You know, the thing that it was

983
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: most used for was to block civil rights legislation and

984
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: and anti lynching legislation, and that thing is still operating.

985
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: We have to know how that stuff works in order

986
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: for us if we really want the kind of changes

987
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about, where taking away some of these barriers

988
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: to everybody having their voice heard in the government. President

989
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: Obama has to go, guys, so and listen. Congratulations. One

990
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: hundred ninety thousand sold in the first day, which is

991
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: breaking all kinds of records. So it just shows the

992
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: power that you still have. You got a little name

993
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: out here. First of all, I think it's because it

994
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: was packaged with Michelle's book, so you know, and uh,

995
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: but I appreciate you guys. You know, you talked about

996
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: black folks and how they talked about or thought about

997
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,479
Speaker 1: my presidency. I will say, even at our lowest point,

998
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: the amount of loyalty and folks having our back, knowing

999
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: you know that we were going through some you know, challenges, UM.

1000
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: The prayer that we got, the you know, the blessings

1001
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: we received from our own um that that is as

1002
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: much as anything, what helped sustain us. It is something

1003
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: we never took for granted and we were always grateful.

1004
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: So So what one of last question, what through Democrats

1005
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: old black people specifically do you think, especially afterward we

1006
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: just did in this past election. Well, I look, I

1007
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: think that Democrats and Republicans and America old black folks

1008
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: the same thing that all people are o which is

1009
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: justice and fairness. The differences is that for Black folks

1010
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: that justice has been deferred and denied for too long,

1011
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: or it's been half baked and insufficient. We've never done

1012
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: a full reckoning of what was part of the essential

1013
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: history and building of this country. And I think in

1014
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: concrete terms, you know, I don't want to overstate what

1015
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: Joe and Kamala are going to be able to accomplish

1016
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: in this congressional environment with that much resistance, because they're

1017
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: going to be in a position that was even that's

1018
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: probably even tougher than the one that I came in.

1019
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: But what I can say is, I think at the

1020
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: very minimum, everything they put forward, from jobs programs to

1021
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: small business loans to education to college debt issues, that

1022
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: they have to be mindful that the African American community

1023
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: put faith in them, to hear them and to understand

1024
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: what ordinary folks are going through every day, working hard,

1025
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: trying to make it and that and that they shouldn't

1026
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: be making a decision without knowing, all right, this is

1027
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: going to have an impact on some of those struggles

1028
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: to make make people and their families a little more secure,

1029
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: a little bit better. It's not going to make things perfect.

1030
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: But if if at the end of Joe Biden's presidency

1031
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: and Commons presidency, he too can say what I was

1032
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: able to say, which is people's lives are better. You know,

1033
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's what you expect

1034
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: out of politicians. They're a morally correct way to do

1035
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: what Trump did, which is as far as like you know,

1036
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: catering to his base, you know, doing what he felt

1037
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: was best for his folks. They are morally correct way

1038
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: to do that get more votes. I mean, the truth

1039
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: of the batter has actually Trump hasn't gotten a lot.

1040
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 1: He's torn some stuff down, he hasn't There's no law

1041
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: that he's passed that is transformative in this country. He

1042
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: passed the task cut to give away some more money

1043
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: to rich folks, which publican has been doing that for years.

1044
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: But you can't name a piece of legislation that he's

1045
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: done that has actually changed the country, even for his

1046
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: own constituencies. So it's always easier to tear down than

1047
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: build up. Building up that requires votes, And that's why

1048
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 1: I do not I will come on this show every

1049
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: time if I hear folks say voting doesn't matter. Yeah,

1050
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: vote will not. It's not like winning the lottery. You

1051
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: don't you don't vote, and then suddenly everything is great.

1052
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: Voting is more like you know, washing your car or

1053
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: iron in your clothes. It's part of the thing you

1054
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: do to make stuff work and and it's part of

1055
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: your responsibility and as part of all of our responsibility,

1056
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: just to make sure that we don't see chaos of

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Speaker 1: the sort that we've just seen over the last four years.

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Speaker 1: All right, guess well, we appreciate you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: President Barack Obama, thank you, thank you so much, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. You know, I feel pretty good. All right.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you're telling to watch out for Florida order

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01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: she creates people in America come from the Bronx in

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Speaker 1: all of Florida. Yes, you are a donkey, a Florida man,

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01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: a chap and at n for a very strange reason.

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01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: It gave him too much money. A man is arrested.

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01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: I can definitely say he's rigged the door to his

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01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: home and an attempt to electricate his puject's wife. Police

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01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: arrested in Orlando man for talking a fa to practice

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01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: club bar haying the guy. I don't know why y'all

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01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: keep letting get y'all elected well off because your state

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: is crazy, all right, don't get today goes to a

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01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: Florida woman named Vanessa Marie Huckaba. Now, what did your

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01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: uncle Charla always say about the great state of Florida.

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01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: The craziest people in America come from the Bronx in

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Speaker 1: all of Florida. There is no disputing that. And um,

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Speaker 1: I think God that I came up in an era

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01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: before dating websites. Not knocking anyone who does it, but

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01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't see myself on Elitch, singles, e Harmony, black People,

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: meet match dot Com. Our guy drown Moss Puerto Rican

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01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: and runs all boards up here. He's on Latin Fields

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01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: under the user name called Quito Poppy. Look him up. Okay,

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01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: but none of that stuff is for me. The way

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: my anxiety is set up, I couldn't just meet a

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01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: complete scranger online, a person who can tell me anything

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01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: they want about themselves and none of it be true,

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: and then you show up get robbed, killed, catfished. I'm

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01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: not judging anybody who does the dating singles thing. I'm

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: just simply saying it's not for me. It's like skydiving.

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01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: It's like bungee jumping. It's like being uncircumcised. Not knocking

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01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: any of y'all that dude, I got those things, Just

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01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: telling you that's not my thing. Now. Vanessa Marie Huckaba

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01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: has the dating profile set up under the name island

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01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: Babe one two three four. Does that name not look

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: in sound fake? Okay? See what I'm saying, Island Babe

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01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: one two three four. How could you take a profile

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01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: page on a dating website? Serious? That says Island Babe

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01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: one two three four. It sounds and looks like a

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: Russian bot when you see it now. According to the

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01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: Miami Herald, she included a name, photo, cell phone number,

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01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 1: and address. But here's the Catchwell, actually it is no catch.

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01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: This dating profile is exactly what it sounds like. Fake.

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01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: But I tell you what, this one is fake for

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01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: a great humorous but sit costs. Okay, see Vanessa, she

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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 1: should actually be the new hosts of Punks. I don't

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01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: condone what I'm about to tell you she did. But

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01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: man isn't entertaining to watch, Steve. Vanessa is a classic

1107
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: case of the X oh. A lot of y'all out

1108
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: there got a crazy x that's stalking your ass right now.

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01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: That is upset that you have moved on to another relationship.

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01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: Vanessa is one of the olds. Okay, see this dating

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01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: profile she set up that included a name, photo, cell

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01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: phone number, and address. It wasn't hers. In fact, it

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01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: was the woman her ex boyfriend is currently dating. But

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01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: the story gets much much better because it wasn't her

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01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: milkshake that brought all the boys to the yard. New

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01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: not in Florida and Florida you need something a little

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01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: stronger than milkshakes to bring boys to the yard. Let's

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01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: go to the Miami Herald for the report police. A

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01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: Florida keys woman was jail on a cyberstock in charge

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: after a police said she posted a fake profile on

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01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: a dating site that sent strangers to another woman's home

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: looking for sex. Freshman tonight. All right, stop stop right

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Speaker 1: there for a second. Stop right there for a second,

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01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: because there are conflicting reports. The Miami Herald is saying

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01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: Vanessa posted the headline free meth tonight. But in the

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01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: news report what we just heard, they say fresh meth tonight.

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01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: Either way island Bay one two three four, got meth?

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01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: That's right, Speed cookies, cotton candy whatever you call it.

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01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: But Nessa had cranking cheeks and in Florida, it doesn't

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01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: matter if you advertise, and fresh, cranking free cheeks are

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01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: free cranking fresh cheeks. Folks is pulling up even though

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01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't know you know how fresh we expect the

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01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: cheeks to be from a meth head in Florida. I

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: mean it's hot down then that pooky. Have you not

1135
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: washing for day? But forget all that. Continue with the

1136
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: news report. Vanessa Marie Hukaba twenty nine, was arrested November

1137
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: twenty first on misdemeanor charges of cyberstocking and harassing. Hukaba

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01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: in October and November sent threatening messages and made harassing

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01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: phone calls to a thirty six year old Key West

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01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: woman who was dating her ex. The victim told police

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01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: she has never met Hukkaba and began getting the threats

1142
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: after she started dating a man Hukaba had dated for

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01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: six months. Hukaba told the victim she would need to

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01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: get a restraining order. Hukaba's next move was to put

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01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: up a profile under the name Island Babe twelve thirty

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01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: four on Seeking Arrangement, which advertises it helps pair women

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01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: with sugar daddies along with a victim's photo, cell phone number,

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01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: and address. The profile invited men to come to the

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01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: victim's home for sex. Multiple strangers began arriving at the

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01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: victims thereafter. I'm giving this woman donkey to day. But

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01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: that's say you're getting donkey today because you absolutely deserve it. Okay.

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01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: A person's home is their sanctuary, it's their castle. It

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01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: should be their place of peace. To have a bunch

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01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: of Floridians pulling up during a devil damn pandemic, when

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01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: Folks is supposed to be social distancing, you got all

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01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: these meth heads showing up to this young woman's house

1157
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: looking for cranking cheeks. You're lucky that woman didn't stay

1158
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: in her ground and let her goddamn gun blam. Okay,

1159
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: so you are earning every bit of this he hall

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: but ron of applause, Vanessa, amazing, amazing idea. Right, this

1161
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: is an amazing idea. You gotta beef with another human.

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01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 1: You're mad at this lady because she's your ex boyfriend,

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01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: so you advertise free meth and sex at her house

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01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: in Florida. There is nothing that can bring holiday joy

1165
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: to a white Florida man's heart like the thought of

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01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: tweets getting tricking. Okay, only a human with a Florida

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01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: brain could concoct and execute something like this. And Vanessa,

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01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: even though I am highly entertained, it will not stop

1169
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,839
Speaker 1: me from giving you the sweet sound of the hammertones.

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01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: Oh no, you are dogee the day, dogee, oh the day.

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01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: Guess sweezy? All right? I mean, would you like to

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: just for pieces and let's do it? Let's do it? Okay? Uh, well,

1173
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: let's play a game up Johns. What racing? All right, guys?

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01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: Vanessa Marie Huckaba Huckaba, Okay, she's from Florida, Florida. She

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01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: set up a fake profile for a woman, Okay, a

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01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: woman I was dating her ex boyfriend and she was

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: advertising free meth in sex. Guess what race you go first?

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01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: I would have to say Caucasian, just because of the

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01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: crystal meth. I was thinking Latino, because no, you weren't.

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: Now I was thinking white. Oh, I gotta say what

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01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: it is? White? I know it all right, White with

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01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: yellow teeth set Okay, white with the yellowest teeth you've

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01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: ever seen in your goddamn life. All right, you see,

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01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: smile and you slow down, okay, driving Charlagne, thank you

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: for that Donkey to day. Yes, indeed, goddamn it. We're

1186
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: playing some of the best best stuffs. And one of

1187
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: them was when Kamala Harris stopped through the first interview

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01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: that she actually came before she was running for president,

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01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: and writers was, um, this was twenty eighteen, maybe in

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01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 1: twenty and seventeen, I don't remember twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen,

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01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: and like just she was just sending to California, right,

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01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And we actually talked about

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: her running for president and you know, she ran. It

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 1: didn't work out. We she ended up being the Madame

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01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: Vife president. So yeah, okay, so we're gonna get that

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01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: back in a few so don't move. It's the Breakfast Club.

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01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: Good Morning, Breakfast Club. Your mornings will never be the same.

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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: Hiring is challenging, but you're checking out the world's most

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Speaker 1: dangerous morning show. Morning Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee,

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: Sharlowgnea guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Now it's Martin

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01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: Luther King Day. We're gonna get back out interview with

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01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. This was the first time that she actually

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01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: stopped through. So we're gonna get that on. It's to

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01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: breakfast and and by the way, having been back since,

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01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: I mean she's been here three times, right, Kamala came

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: here in twenty eighteen, she came here um again when

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: she was running for president, and another time when she

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: was running for president. She hasn't been here since she's

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01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: been Madam vice president. Right to get pissed off about that, okay,

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01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: but so we just sending the Kamala Harris. Hopefully we'll

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01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: talk to you soon. All right, don't move. It's to

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01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: breakfast club. Good morning. We have a special guest in

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: the building. Yes, she went to the other h you,

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: but we got a slide this morning. Kamala Harris, US,

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Speaker 1: Senator of California field the next president of the United

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Speaker 1: States of America. The run, Miss Kamala. Good boy, I

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: am so happy and honored to be here. You're gonna listen.

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01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: Let him just Howard like absolutely not so who beat

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01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: you an ALV Hampton or Howard? It was Howard? Thank you?

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01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: Who has the best homecoming in the world every year? Hampton?

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01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: Howard Hampton, who produced third Goood Marshall. Howard, Howard, You

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01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: got a couple of out who produced the Black Panther.

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01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 1: We did, you know, we did the costume. You know,

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01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: you know we did the coso for black pot with you,

1225
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna share the little I didn't go to college,

1226
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: but if I was, you out to say, well, who

1227
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: was stealing from the financial department? All got bad food

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01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: over that slide? Were welcome? Yes here, not for those

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01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: who may not know. Let us know a little about yourself.

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01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: You're from the big area, right. I was born in Oakland,

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01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: okay Um, and I went to Howard. I went out

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01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: of Howard to law school in California. I started my

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01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: career in the DA's office in Oakland, California, and then

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01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 1: I was elected the first black woman to be elected

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01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: a district attorney in the state of California in San Francisco.

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01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: I was there for two terms, and then I was

1237
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 1: elected Attorney General of California, making me the first woman

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: and the first African American ever elected as an attorney channel.

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: So did you grow up an a black Panthers. Yes,

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01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: the influence on you are oh absolutely. I mean my parents,

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01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: look my sister and I joke. We grew up surrounded

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: by a bunch of adults. We spent full time marching

1243
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: and shouting Wow, justice right. So they my parents actually

1244
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: met when they were active in the civil rights movement.

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01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 1: My godmother, my aunt Mary, was one of the founders

1246
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: of the Black Studies department at San Francisco State, which

1247
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: was the first black studies department in the country. So

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01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: they were active and they were vocal and aking and

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: civil rights activists. I'm surprised you got inside boys. Yeah,

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01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: Howard trains you to do things like that, But what

1251
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: got you into politics? Because you did go to Howard

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01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: that's a party school, So we figured you, really, what

1253
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: got you into politics? What made you want to say

1254
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: this is the route I want to go? You know,

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01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: I grew up in a community of folks, like I said,

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01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: who are marching and shouting? And I said, you know, yes,

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: there is an important role to play on the outside,

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01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: banging down the door, on bend to knee, trying to

1259
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 1: change the systems. But we also have to be inside

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01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: the room where the decisions are being made. And I

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01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: ran for district attorney because I wanted to be the

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Speaker 1: one who was making decisions about what we were going

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Speaker 1: to do with criminal justice policy. And in fact, I

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Speaker 1: wrote a book back in two thousand and eight based

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Speaker 1: on my belief about what we need to do to

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Speaker 1: reform the criminal justice system. In here and here's how

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Speaker 1: I think about it. Criminal justice policy. We have been

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Speaker 1: offered a false choice, the choice suggesting that you're either

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Speaker 1: soft on crime or you're tough on crime, instead of

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Speaker 1: asking are we smart on crime? Right? And by that

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Speaker 1: I mean recognizing that, you know, the public health model

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Speaker 1: tells us if you want to deal with a health epidemic, smartest,

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Speaker 1: most effective, and cheapest way to deal with it is

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Speaker 1: prevention first. If you're dealing with it in the emergency

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Speaker 1: room or the prison system, it's too late and it's

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Speaker 1: too expensive. So let's be smart on crime. And that

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Speaker 1: means let's be smart in knowing that if we really

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Speaker 1: want to have public safety, let's prevent crime from happening

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Speaker 1: in the first place, which means focusing on communities that

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Speaker 1: we know need more economics, need more pathways to economic

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Speaker 1: health and success, doing what we need to do to

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Speaker 1: recognize that there is a direct connection between public education

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Speaker 1: and public safety. So let's prioritize public education. And instead

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Speaker 1: of just being only concerned about public safety because there's

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Speaker 1: a real connection, and it's actually cheaper to focus on

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Speaker 1: educating young people than it is on incarcerating whole communities

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Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, that's one of the first things I

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Speaker 1: saw you do that I was extremely impressed with. If

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Speaker 1: it was the Back on Track program, that's right, what's

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Speaker 1: that all about? So Back on Track is a program

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Speaker 1: that I started years ago. I focused on the eighteenth

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Speaker 1: through twenty four year old young you know, drug sales offender.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I focused on that population is because

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Speaker 1: they're just a lot of them. And I also focused

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Speaker 1: on that population because whether we were at Hampton or

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Speaker 1: Howard when we were in college, we were eighteen through

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Speaker 1: twenty four and we were called college kids. But when

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Speaker 1: you turn eighteen and you're in the system, you're considered

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Speaker 1: an adult, period, regardless of the fact that we know

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Speaker 1: that's the very phase of life in which we have

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Speaker 1: invested billions of dollars in this world, in these places

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Speaker 1: called colleges and universities, knowing that that's the prime phase

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Speaker 1: of life where you can mold somebody to be a productive,

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Speaker 1: an accomplished adult. And so I focused on that population

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Speaker 1: also understanding that when they pick up that first offense

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Speaker 1: they will be designated a felon for life. And so

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Speaker 1: what we did is essentially I created a program focused

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Speaker 1: on them and basically getting them job counseling. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the young men are fathers, getting them support for

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Speaker 1: what they naturally want to do, which is parent their children,

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Speaker 1: but may not have the skills or the resources. We

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Speaker 1: focused on what to do around housing and a just

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Speaker 1: wrap around, and we ended up as a result of

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Speaker 1: doing that and then when they would graduate the program,

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Speaker 1: dismiss their charges. But what we also ended up doing

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Speaker 1: is reducing their likelihood of reoffending by a huge percentage.

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Speaker 1: And that was a model of what ended up later

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Speaker 1: by the Justice Department being designated as a model of

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Speaker 1: innovation and law enforcement in the country. What do we

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Speaker 1: do with so many with drugs being legalized, I should say,

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Speaker 1: marijuana being legalized in so many different states, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of these kids, like you said, are in jail

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Speaker 1: for that same legalized crime. Now we need to decriminalize marijuana.

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Speaker 1: We have a problem with the mass incarceration in our country.

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Speaker 1: And let's be clear, the War on drugs was a

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Speaker 1: failed war. It was misdirected in essence, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we're now now more people are understanding when we talk

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Speaker 1: about the opioid epidemic that when you're talking about substancies,

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Speaker 1: that's a public health matter that should not be thought

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Speaker 1: of as a criminal justice matter. And so what we

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Speaker 1: need to do is recognize that we have to get

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Speaker 1: people into treatment where that is appropriate. But as it

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Speaker 1: relates to incarcerating people from marijuana, I think it is

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Speaker 1: long overdue that we recognize we need to change the system. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to the Oakland days for

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Speaker 1: a minute, because you said the Black Panthers had an

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Speaker 1: influence on you, and it's this whole conversation we've been

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Speaker 1: having about how do we improve relations between police and

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Speaker 1: the communities, and Black Panthers were an organization that actually

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Speaker 1: policed the police. Do you think that an organization like

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Speaker 1: that could exist now in twenty eighteen. I think that

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest advances in the fight for civil

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Speaker 1: rights has been the smartphone. Oh okay. People would come

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Speaker 1: up to me coma, what all of a sudden is

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01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: going on with all these cases of police misconduct? What's

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Speaker 1: going on? And I'd look at people and say, you know,

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Speaker 1: you sound like a colonist. You know, are you calling

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Speaker 1: him a right, right, right, right, fair enough, But the

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Speaker 1: point being, you know what colonists do. They go to

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Speaker 1: a place that's been existing that way for thousands of years,

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Speaker 1: and because they're seeing it for the first time, they

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Speaker 1: think they've discovered. So the great thing about the smartphone

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01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,759
Speaker 1: has been that now it is undeniable. When it happens,

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Speaker 1: there is evidence sometimes playing for us in real time

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Speaker 1: as we know. It is audio, it is visual, and

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Speaker 1: it is highlighting a need to reform the criminal justice

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Speaker 1: system about around recognizing that we need to do a

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Speaker 1: better job of training police officers, around bias, around use

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Speaker 1: of force, around the necessity to de escalate a situation

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Speaker 1: instead of using force as the first option as though

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Speaker 1: it is the only option. And more people are now

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Speaker 1: involved in this discussion than ever before because it is

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Speaker 1: not just us who is experiencing it. Now everyone is

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Speaker 1: experiencing it, at least in terms of seeing it happen.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is part of what has led

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Speaker 1: to the reforms that are starting to take place. But

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Speaker 1: there's still a lot more to do. On the Panthers, Remember,

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest contributions that the Panthers made was

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Speaker 1: their breakfast program. Absolutely, they were feeding the community and

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Speaker 1: protecting the community in that way. We have more. We

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Speaker 1: send it a come Harris, when we come back, don't move.

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Speaker 1: It's to Breakfast Club. Good morning voting. Everybody is DJ Envy,

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 1: Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We are the breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: We have Kamala Harris in the building. But let's talk

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Speaker 1: about these schools and these shootings. I mean it's scary. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, you know, we have many, many communities

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Speaker 1: where our six and seven year olds are going to

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Speaker 1: sleep at night here in gunfire. Absolutely, they are experiencing

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01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: such trauma that is undiagnosed and untreated. Babies of our

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Speaker 1: community who have regularly attended funerals of somebody who was

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Speaker 1: killed as a result of gun violence, having family members,

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Speaker 1: it may have even happened in front of them. So

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Speaker 1: we have enough trauma in our community that we need

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Speaker 1: to deal with. Without expecting that our second grader is

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Speaker 1: going to now go to school and look up in

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Speaker 1: the front of the class that their teacher and she's

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Speaker 1: strapping a gun. That doesn't make any sense. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about school safety. There are things that we need to

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Speaker 1: address that include thinking about why is this an issue?

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Speaker 1: And part of it is that we have not passed

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Speaker 1: meaningful smart gun safety laws in this country. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about that. Let's talk about how the NRA has grabbed

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01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: people by that they're the body and and has has

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01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: has caused people to have a lack of courage to

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Speaker 1: address the fact. Again, another false choice. I'm in favor

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Speaker 1: of the Second Amendment, and I also want I want

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Speaker 1: smart gun safety laws. Assault weapons shouldn't be walking the

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Speaker 1: streets of a civilized country. We should have universal background checks.

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Speaker 1: It makes sense. It's just practical that you might want

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Speaker 1: to know before someone can buy a gun that they've

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Speaker 1: been found by a court to be mentally unstable. You

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01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 1: just might want to know that that's smart, aren't absolutely

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Speaker 1: The missing ingredient to get something done is for Congress

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Speaker 1: to have the courage to act, bottom line. And that's

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Speaker 1: where I would say, Okay, so then what can we

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Speaker 1: as people who want to encourage Congress to act do?

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Speaker 1: What can we do? Let's focus on the twenty eighteen elections.

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Speaker 1: Let's focus on electing people who will have the courage

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Speaker 1: and getting rid of people who don't. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: even with that said, you know when everybody saw the

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Speaker 1: police shootings happening. Barack Obama was in office, Why didn't

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Speaker 1: he have the courage to act to implement something to

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Speaker 1: where police weren't so gun hole. Well, I think that

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Speaker 1: it's one of his big regrets that he was not

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Speaker 1: able to get smart gun safety laws passed. In terms

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Speaker 1: of the reforms, listen, Eric Holder, who was appointed by

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama to be the US Attorney General and the

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Speaker 1: United States Department of Justice under Barack Obama did some

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Speaker 1: really good work. They started opening pattern and practice investigations,

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Speaker 1: investigating various police departments around the country who had a

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Speaker 1: pattern and practice of racial discrimination and excessive force. And

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Speaker 1: you know what's going on now under this guy, Jeff Sessions.

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Speaker 1: You've been on his ass, by the way, Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: And under him, they're closing those pattern and practice investigations.

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Speaker 1: Under the previous administration, there were consent decrees where there

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Speaker 1: had been a finding of misconduct. The court kicked in

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01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: and said, you have to act a certain way, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna watch that. They're shutting down all of those.

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Speaker 1: They're reviving the war on drugs, they're reviving mandatory minimum sentences,

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01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: and you know, again that's why we have got to

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01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: be vigilant at this moment in time because we are

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Speaker 1: looking at an administration that is rolling back the clock

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Speaker 1: in a profound, profound way. Why is Jeff Sessions doing that? Though?

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Speaker 1: Like is it really just Donald Trump trying to erase

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01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: everything Barack Obama did that? What they really really want?

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Speaker 1: Like they want to take take us backwards? So to speak. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I think this has been on Jeff sessions agenda for

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Speaker 1: a very long time. Don't forget Kreta. Scott King spoke

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01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: out against Jeff Sessions when he was up years and

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01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: years and years ago for an appointment. This is part

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01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: of who he is. This is his history, this is

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01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: his mission. He is silently and maybe not so silently,

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01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: carrying it out right before us. Why aren't you afraid

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01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: to speak out against him? I do speak free because

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01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: we have to speak truth, Charlemagne, we have to speak truth.

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Speaker 1: You know what, This is a moment in time that's

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01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: actually requiring all of us to check ourselves about whether

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01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the courage to speak and to speak truth,

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Speaker 1: no matter how uncomfortable it makes some people feel, no

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01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: matter how much it may visit upon us, criticism or

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01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: expose us to attacks. We've got to speak truth. We've

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01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,440
Speaker 1: got to speak truth about what is happening with this administration.

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Speaker 1: Also because as leaders, the people know, they know, they

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01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: know in their hearts, they know intuitively, instinctively that things

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01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: are wrong, and we need to put the label on

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01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: it when we see what it's actually happening from the inside.

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01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: And so that's part of why I do it, because

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01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: I believe that people have a right to know what

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01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: their government is doing for them and to them. And

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01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, come what may, in terms of any response,

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01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: how do we get our country back in order? Though

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Speaker 1: it just seems like ever since Trump came in office,

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01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: it just seems like it's just been an outspurt of

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01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: racism going on, and it seems like it's hurting our

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01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: kids more than anything else out there. So I travel

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Speaker 1: around the country and I will tell you that I'm

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01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 1: not buying the suggestion that we are divided as a country.

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Speaker 1: And here's why I say that. You know, when you

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Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night with that

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Speaker 1: thought that's been weighing on you, maybe it's some people

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Speaker 1: call it the witching hour at three o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 1: when you wake up in a cold sleet with that

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01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 1: thing that's been worrying you. It is never through the

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01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: lens of the party with which you're registered to vote,

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01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: or you know, the demographic upholster put you in. And

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01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: for the vast majority of us, that thought has to

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01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: do with one of just a very few things our

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01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: personal health, the health of our children or our parents.

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01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Can I get a job, keep a job, pay the

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01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: bills by the end of the month. For so many

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01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: of our students, can I pay off their students? Can

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01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: they pay off their student loans? The vast majority of

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01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: us have so much more uncommon than what separates us.

1484
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 1: And we've got to hold on to that in this

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01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: fight right now, and then look to twenty eighteen, frankly,

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01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: and the elections that are coming up in almost two

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01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: hundred days as an opportunity to act. What I love

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: about this moment with this administration and power is people

1489
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 1: are acting. Look back to the Women's March, look it

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01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: to the March for Our Lives, the March for science,

1491
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: because also doesn'tinistration is putting forward policies that basically say

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01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: science should not be the basis of public policy, which

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01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, but people are taken to the streets in

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01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: a way they never have and in that way, our

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01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: democracy is working. Now. We just got to take to

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01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: the streets and then walk those streets to the polling

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01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: place and vote. Because they used to say we couldn't

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01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: vote legally, we weren't allowed to vote. Now they say

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01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:33,759
Speaker 1: we won't. We need to get out and vote because voting,

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Speaker 1: US voting is connected to every one of the other issues.

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01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 1: US voting is connected to who's going to be in

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01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: office and how they think about criminal justice policy. Who's

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01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: going to be office and pay attention to something like

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01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: the rate of black babies and infant mortality. Who's going

1505
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: to pay attention to the fact that young black men

1506
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: are still at the bottom of the economic ladder in

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01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: terms of opportunity, much less success in economic Who's in

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01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: office is going to make a difference. All right, we

1509
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: have more with Senator Kamala Harris. When we come back,

1510
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: don't move. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club.

1511
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: You're checking out the world's most dangerous morning show. Morning.

1512
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We

1513
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. Now it's Martin Luther King Day,

1514
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna get back out interview with Kamala Harris. This

1515
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 1: was the first time that she actually stopped through. All right,

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01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: don't move, it's a breakfast club. Good morning. We have

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01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 1: Senator Kamala Harris still in the building. Charlomagne And I know,

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01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: of course you just mentioned me too in times of

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01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: your big supporters to that, but you're also a too

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01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: short fan. Yes, I am too short. Yes, my favorite

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01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: Senator Harris was my favorite words. Not doing that. I'm

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01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: not doing that. I'm not doing that. Two short straight

1523
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: from Oakland. But you can, you can, you can? You

1524
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: can like both? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course I

1525
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 1: love music. Now they call you the female Barack Obama.

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01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 1: That's what I've seen when I get Now, now, are

1527
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: you are you considering and or do you see yourself

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01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: possibly running for president? Is that right now? I'm just

1529
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: focused on what's in front of me. You know, I've

1530
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: seen too many people focus on that thing out there

1531
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: and they trip over the thing right in front of

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01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: them in front. I was just in Detroit last weekend

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01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: campaigning and talking to folks about the need to get

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01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: out and vote. Um, I'll be all over this all

1535
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: over many states. I'm gonna be in Chicago, I'm gonna

1536
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: be in Wisconsin, I'll be in Florida, probably go to Philly.

1537
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: We really have to turn out of Look what happened

1538
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,759
Speaker 1: in Alabama. Everybody should really see and remember what happened

1539
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: just in a recent election where Doug Jones, a white Democrat.

1540
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: The math is that a white Democrat won in the

1541
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: South because of black women. So our vote really matters

1542
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: when we get out. It was over ninety percent of

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01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: black men who we came out of this. Yeah, and

1544
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: that's right, And that's right. That's that's exactly right, that's

1545
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: exactly right. You was on the debate team in college.

1546
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: How does that help you in your line of work?

1547
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: First of all, it taught you how to um, to

1548
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: come back from an argument, you know. It teaches you

1549
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,759
Speaker 1: how to stand in front of a room of people

1550
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: and express your point and then and then when your

1551
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 1: point is being attacked, to come back and respond um.

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01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: It teaches you how to think quickly, and it gives

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01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 1: you confidence in the fact that you can stand in

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01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 1: front of a room of people in state of position

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01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 1: and defend it. Because sometimes for so many of us,

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01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: we're the only one who is like us in a room.

1557
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: And when you're the only one like you in a room,

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01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: there is a natural tendency to want to just kind

1559
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: of blend in. But what you learn during debate, or

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01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: what you learn at an HBCU, or if you have

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01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: the blessing of having a family or a community that

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01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: teaches you, um, you learn instead that when you're in

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01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: that room, you got to speak up, and you've got

1564
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 1: to acquire the skills to know how to do that

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01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: and to have the confidence to do it. You know,

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01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: I mentor a lot of people and I always tell

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01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: them your entire life, you will have many experiences where

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01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 1: you're the only one like you in that room, the

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01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: only one looks like you, the only one who's had

1570
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: the experiences you've had. And when you sit in that room,

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01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: you have to remember we are all in that room

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01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: with you. There was the Minangelo quote, I'm not alone

1573
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 1: because I stand ten. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I

1574
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 1: put my kids in debate class because of that, to

1575
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 1: be able to use their words to fight back and

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01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: not have to use their hands. And it's still hurt

1577
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: just the same. And you got to objectively see both

1578
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 1: sides right. And also and to your point, also, the

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01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: great thing about learning debate is that you learn their

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01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: rules of debate, right, you know, because also to your point,

1581
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,839
Speaker 1: when you argue, some people would suggest that's pure emotion

1582
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: and that if you're getting in an argument with somebody,

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01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 1: you're just emotional and unreasonable. What debate teaches you is no,

1584
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: it's actually quite civilized to stand up and disagree with someone,

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01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: and there are rules about how you do it, because

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01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: that is what is done among thinking people. You do debate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can go back to history in different

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01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: forms of debate. The dozens. Yes, that was until you

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01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 1: didn't like what they said and you and you just

1590
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: keep it right. But that's that was debate. That's your question,

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01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: you know. You mentioned, of course we went to HBCUs.

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01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 1: How important is the HBCU because we got away from

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01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: it a couple of years ago and I'm looking at

1594
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the colleges in attendance and enrollment is low.

1595
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: So how important is HBCU to you and especially black families?

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01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. I am who I am today

1597
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: for two reasons because of my mother and the family

1598
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,560
Speaker 1: I was raising, and Howard University and HBCU. What you

1599
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: and I know when we walked onto that campus for

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01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: the first time, we were surrounded by people that look

1601
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 1: like us all everywhere. Everybody you walk onto and I'll

1602
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 1: just speak about Howard, but I know Hampton is the same.

1603
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 1: You walk onto that campus, you can look over on

1604
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: one area and you will see a bunch of young

1605
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: African Americans who are students who are in the business

1606
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: school walking around with briefcases. You look over at another

1607
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: area and they're walking around in leotards because they're in

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01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: the School of Fine Arts. The football captain and star,

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01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 1: and the homecoming queen and the debate team, and there

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01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: are sororities and fraternity and what you learn at an

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01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,440
Speaker 1: HBCU is you do not have to fit into somebody's

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01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 1: limited prospective on what it means to be young, gifted,

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01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: in black. You can be all those things. When I

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01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: was at Howard, I pledged a sorority, I was on

1615
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: the debate team, I was the chair of the Economic Society,

1616
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: and I went to my share of parties too. And

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01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: you didn't have to choose. You could be fully actualized.

1618
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: And there was such beauty to that, because this country

1619
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: still has such a limited you of what it means

1620
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: for a person to be young and smart and black.

1621
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,440
Speaker 1: And so at those years when you're learning your identity

1622
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: to be in that environment where basically everybody just says

1623
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: to you can be whatever you want to be, and

1624
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 1: by the way, and if you don't, it's because you

1625
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: need to work harder, right, Because that's the other thing

1626
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: that happens. You can't walk away and say, oh, it's

1627
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 1: because of my skin color that I didn't get that. Nope, Nope,

1628
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: that's not it. So it's a wonderful um, it's a

1629
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 1: wonderful place to learn who you are and to be

1630
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: proud of who you are and to leave them with

1631
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: the confidence of walking into the world also knowing one

1632
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 1: other thing. You know, people from time and time will

1633
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: come up to you and they'll say, oh, you're special,

1634
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: You're unique. And I tell people, don't let it, don't

1635
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: let anybody tell you that, because there is there is

1636
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: something about being told that that also suggests you're the

1637
01:35:56,040 --> 01:36:00,080
Speaker 1: only one like you, which means you're alone. And what

1638
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: an HBCU SEU reminds us of. No, we come with people,

1639
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 1: We got people. There are a lot of us. We're

1640
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: not alone, right, well made you want to go to

1641
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: HBCU with a different world. No, I have family members

1642
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: that went to Howard. Wanted to go to Howard. Yeah,

1643
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: got you, wells she has to go. So one last one, brother, Well,

1644
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: I saw you talking about corporate donations. Yeah, and you

1645
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 1: said you would depend It depends whether you would take

1646
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 1: them or not. I think that money has had such

1647
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:34,759
Speaker 1: an outside influence on politics, and especially with the Supreme

1648
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 1: Court determining Citizens United, which basically means that big corporations

1649
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 1: can spend unlimited amounts of money influencing a campaign. Right,

1650
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: We're all supposed to have an equal vote, but money

1651
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:50,719
Speaker 1: has now really tipped the balance between an individual having

1652
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 1: equal power in an election to a corporation. So I've

1653
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: actually made a decision since I had that conversation that

1654
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: I'm not going to accept corporate pack checks. Wow, um,

1655
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 1: I just I'm not. You're gonna raise money for campaigns

1656
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 1: and stuff? Well, you know, I've raised so far this

1657
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 1: year three million dollars for my colleagues for the twenty

1658
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: eighteen election cycle, and most of that money has been

1659
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 1: like an eighteen dollars twenty dollars increments. People are turning

1660
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:18,600
Speaker 1: out what's the website yet? How can people um go

1661
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:23,719
Speaker 1: to Kamala Harris dot org and you will find it. Okay,

1662
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: a m LA Harris. If you decided to run for

1663
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: president in twenty twenty, we'll do a fund raise before

1664
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 1: you're right here on the radio now, we definitely will.

1665
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: We did one last year for Harry belafontas organization Change

1666
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: for Change, so we can get you a million of two. Okay,

1667
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 1: if you decide, have ever been a dream of yours?

1668
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about it? I had so many dreams,

1669
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: I had so many. I do though, I really do.

1670
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: I do see the beauty of you, know, everything that

1671
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: you raised in terms of the reaction and the other

1672
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: side of the tragedy of what's happening, and that gives

1673
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: me a great sense of optimism about our future and

1674
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: in the history of our people. We march, we shout,

1675
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 1: we sing, we dance. Right, Look at who just got

1676
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: the pulletzerprise mister right, you had him on you, but

1677
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 1: look at that. Look at Beyonce and what she did

1678
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: at Chawa. Right. It has always been as part of

1679
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 1: our history that our artists, everybody is part of the movement.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We

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Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club Now, Scharlomagne, you got a positive note.

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Speaker 1: My positive note comes from the Great Doctor Martin Luther King,

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