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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. I'm not here to litigate Deshaun Watson. I'm

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Speaker 1: being insensitive to anybody here. As much as my job,

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Speaker 1: Peter King, NBC Sports and his column of course, Football

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Speaker 1: Morning in America joining us on the program. Pete, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us from a football standpoint. Where do these

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Speaker 1: allegations against Deshaun Watson impact his trade value? Well, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I think it makes it very difficult for any team,

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Speaker 1: make it very difficult for any team to trade for

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Speaker 1: If you are the Carolina Panthers clearly interest did in

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Speaker 1: How do you make a trade for a guy who

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Speaker 1: has numerous sexual assault charges or i'm sorry, allegations and

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Speaker 1: that's all they are now allegations. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: air against Deshaun Watson, are the Texans more likely to

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Speaker 1: want to deal him now with what's going on or

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Speaker 1: once this is resolved. I think that is moot if

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Speaker 1: you don't have I don't, Dan, I really don't see

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Speaker 1: how a team can make a trade. I don't. I

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Speaker 1: have some knowledge of what exactly happened in these cases,

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Speaker 1: in these alleged cases, So the Texans could want to

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it really matters unless you've got there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose, I suppose there could be a

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Speaker 1: the allegations are. I just can't believe in these in

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Speaker 1: I'm sure for DeShawn Watson. But now the NFL was involved, Peter,

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Speaker 1: to what degree, I don't know, but now all of

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Speaker 1: you know, that could take weeks, It could take months

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that that I don't we don't

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Speaker 1: know any of the details, Dan, but if if there

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Speaker 1: consider trying to settle these cases beforehand, so basically this

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Speaker 1: don't know. Deshaun Watson has come out and very strongly

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Speaker 1: said I have never taken liberties such liberties with women,

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Speaker 1: And so I do think that John Schneider, why not listen?

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's something that he totally does not expect. What

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Speaker 1: if he gets offered three ones, three twos, three threes

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Speaker 1: Then I think John Schneider would have to listen to it.

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Speaker 1: how did Pete Carroll get along with Marshawn Lynch for

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Speaker 1: that stuff, it's it can't hurt me. Whether it did

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Speaker 1: right now, you know, I looked it up, Dan, jj Watt,

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Speaker 1: All along, I've been saying that the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: you know what you're doing with your No, I don't

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Speaker 1: have any idea. I don't Dan, I don't watch college basketball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Well, I gotta tell you, Pete. Thamil

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Speaker 1: my bad. That's right. I'm cutting into your your prediction

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Speaker 1: late in the show. How are my Houston Cougars doing?

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Speaker 1: They're really really good. They're going there. They're gonna play

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Speaker 1: Illinois for a trip to the Final four. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Sampson will have them ready to play. Okay, and

432
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Speaker 1: Sean was a good basketball player in high school? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

433
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Speaker 1: it was the fifth story. Bigger was no, No, but

434
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Speaker 1: you were? You were? What did you average in high school?

435
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Speaker 1: Twenty six and a half twenty five and a half points? Okay,

436
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Speaker 1: well I was physical, though nasty on the glass man,

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Speaker 1: mad hops all that. Now you can see now I

438
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: can't jump higher. You can slide a piece of paper under.

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Speaker 1: You were Tyler hans Row Before Tyler hands Row, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was the Jack Sickma all right, I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like that Jack Sickbow or Rigelot high school. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good to be on. I retire your jersey in

443
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Speaker 1: high school? Uh my football jersey I cannot believe my

444
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Speaker 1: baseball and basketball jersey aren't hanging in there. There's gonna

445
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Speaker 1: be a problem because that's as close to any other

446
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Speaker 1: Jersey retirement I'll ever get, other than possibly the Winnipeg

447
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Speaker 1: Blue Bombers. Maybe maybe how many touchdown passes do you

448
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Speaker 1: throw your senior year? I have no idea, no clue.

449
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Speaker 1: I could tell how many points I scored footballs, Dan,

450
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't name eight completions in high school.

451
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Speaker 1: But I can tell you every jump shot, dunk and

452
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Speaker 1: at home run I hit. I can I don't know

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Speaker 1: anything about football. Maybe I want to forget it. But

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Speaker 1: now he's gonna be on no, no, because you look,

455
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Speaker 1: he went to USC you were one of the more

456
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Speaker 1: highly recruited quarterbacks in the country. Yeah, I mean, uh,

457
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: long time ago. Ya ya, yes, yes, Seaton. Do we

458
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Speaker 1: need to start a movement at like Escondido High or

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Speaker 1: wherever that to get oh, excuse me, Barnes, Glen High Ranges,

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Speaker 1: Glen High to get Reggie Bush was right right right right,

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Speaker 1: Oh he was Helix, Oh, Helix High. Bill Bill Walton

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Speaker 1: and Brian Stinch And I remind Bill Walton all the

463
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Speaker 1: time when I see him that I passed him on

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Speaker 1: the all time San Diego County scoring list. Okay, and

465
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Speaker 1: I did. Now, I don't know who's better the big

466
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Speaker 1: redhead of me and as far as basketball in high school,

467
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Speaker 1: probably probably Walton Okay, but yeah, Orange, Glen Pay. We

468
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Speaker 1: gotta start with the ground swells, got to build, retire

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Speaker 1: the basketball Jerseyean, I appreciate your brother. Thank you. That's

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Speaker 1: Sean Salisbury. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine

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Speaker 1: until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at

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Speaker 1: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. Jim

475
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Speaker 1: was on the call last night with the play in

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Speaker 1: games the first four, as we like to say, last night,

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Speaker 1: tenth season that the NCAA Tournament opened with the first four.

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Speaker 1: The four games yesterday were decided by a combined total

479
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Speaker 1: of sixteen points. That times for the smallest total margin

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Speaker 1: for the first four in those ten years. As we

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Speaker 1: make way for the former Ohio State great, Jim calling UCLA,

482
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Speaker 1: Michigan State as well as Drake in Wichita State. He'll

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Speaker 1: be on the call three games on Saturday, UNC Greensboro,

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Speaker 1: Florida State, USC Drake, Donzaga and Norfolk State. How are

485
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Speaker 1: you doing on sleep there, Jim, you're doing all right?

486
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 1: What a sleep? I mean? After that game last night

487
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: went into overtime. You know, we were at Mackie Arena,

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Speaker 1: so we had to drive back to India afterwards. But man,

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Speaker 1: it was worth it. It really was. See those young

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Speaker 1: men who didn't get a chance to play last year,

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Speaker 1: kind of especially the first time for a lot of

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Speaker 1: them to be a part of it with special Now

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Speaker 1: you had the winners and you had the losers, of course,

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Speaker 1: but not getting enough sleepers well worth it. And I

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Speaker 1: know that the headline from those games last night was

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Speaker 1: what happened with Coacheso in the tunnel right at the

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Speaker 1: end of the first half, what did you see? What

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Speaker 1: did you think in the moment and do you still

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Speaker 1: feel the same way that you did when you saw

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Speaker 1: it in real time? Well, I mean, you understand, I've

501
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Speaker 1: been covering, you know, Michigan State since two thousand and seven,

502
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Speaker 1: so this is not the first time I've seen in

503
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Speaker 1: exchanges like that with coaches, whether that's with Draymond Green

504
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Speaker 1: or Kaylin Lucas Denzel, Valentine, the list goes on and on.

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Speaker 1: He opens and invites that kind of conversation and that

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Speaker 1: kind of exchanged with his players. Now, I think optically

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Speaker 1: it didn't look good for people who don't follow Michigan State,

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Speaker 1: and even if they do, it's still optically with a

509
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Speaker 1: player running off, coach grab, player moves again, coach grabs,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look good. And to boot you had some

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Speaker 1: other interactions within the huddle before that. Okay, So I

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Speaker 1: know coaches, I know those guys. I know what the

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Speaker 1: meaning behind it is. So my perception is different than

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Speaker 1: someone's on the outside would just see it optically. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I understand it, and I've known coach for probably twenty

516
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Speaker 1: five years and I know this is his style. It

517
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Speaker 1: just didn't look good. Yeah, because as you know Jim

518
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Speaker 1: better than me. You know, the coach can love you

519
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: and you know he's so invested and it's so important.

520
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Speaker 1: But he didn't. He loses his composure. Coaches are always

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Speaker 1: saying two players, don't lose your composure, but then you

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Speaker 1: have coaches who lose their composure. That's a teaching moment. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you want to grab day Brown and escort him into

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Speaker 1: the locker room. You know what happens in the locker room,

525
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Speaker 1: an air out whatever you want to and the player

526
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Speaker 1: can even say something back, But not on the basketball

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Speaker 1: floor or in the tunnel when the cameras are on you. No,

528
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Speaker 1: And that's the dilemma when you have a passionate coach

529
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Speaker 1: and passionate players like that, where it spills over. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's spilled over in two aspects. One that

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Speaker 1: aspect because again the optics didn't look good for coach Iszo,

532
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Speaker 1: who's supposed to be the one that calms everybody down

533
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Speaker 1: in regards to when things get out of controls up

534
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Speaker 1: to the coach and kind of reign in the players

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Speaker 1: and their emotions. Second, I thought by having too much

536
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Speaker 1: of that, especially in the second half, its splintered some

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Speaker 1: chances from Michigan State to be able to take hold

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Speaker 1: of the game when they had it. And not just

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Speaker 1: what coach Izzo, but once a player begins to defend

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Speaker 1: his actions, now he's doing it with his teammates along

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Speaker 1: with the coaches. A lot of times you don't here

542
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Speaker 1: than instructions that someone is trying to give you because

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Speaker 1: you're trying to defend your action, and that's what happened

544
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Speaker 1: unfortunately with Michigan Satan. Now, I'll say this, Dan, the

545
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Speaker 1: difference with this team also a few years ago, with

546
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Speaker 1: even a Cassius Winston or Draymond Green, these guys had control.

547
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: They were natural leaders. Didn't tell Valentine this team doesn't

548
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Speaker 1: have it. So when it spirals out of control, now,

549
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Speaker 1: no one on the court brings the team together because

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Speaker 1: you don't have that one leader, that one guy that

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Speaker 1: can do that like they've had in the pack. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those are all great points. We're talking to. Jim Jackson,

553
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Speaker 1: the former Greater Ohio State spent fourteen years in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen years, right, Yeah, No All Star appearance. No, the

555
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Speaker 1: closest I got was my third year, the year I

556
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Speaker 1: got injured. Jamala and I both were right there on

557
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Speaker 1: the cuff. But Dan Marty got voted in as a

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Speaker 1: starter when he played for the Sun and All Star

559
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Speaker 1: and was in Phoenix, So that took a sloot away.

560
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Speaker 1: So I never got a chance to play in that

561
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Speaker 1: game unfortunately. So that's why you don't like Marley to

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Speaker 1: this day. I can't say I do you hold it?

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Speaker 1: Do you do you hold a grudge against anybody that

564
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Speaker 1: you played against to this day. I mean, because what

565
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: happened to me happened to me because it was a reason,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I got injured. I can't hold that

567
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Speaker 1: against anybody any at any moment in your career. I did,

568
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Speaker 1: I did, I did. I'm not gonna lie. Um, it

569
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Speaker 1: was an incident that happened with Tracy Grady McGrady and

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Speaker 1: I at Houston for one of the reasons, right why

571
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Speaker 1: I may have got traded or not. I believe it

572
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: was the reason, but I kind of I kind of

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Speaker 1: grew up and let that go. Kind of what happened,

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Speaker 1: I can't tell. Well, no, it was I got traded

575
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: right after Christmas, and um, I don't know. I heard

576
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Speaker 1: some stuff in the background about how I got traded,

577
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Speaker 1: and I didn't take to it too well, and I

578
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: kind of confirmed some things, but I moved on Pauliere.

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Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady said to Jordan, what do you remember the

580
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Speaker 1: best performance you ever saw that you witnessed on the

581
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Speaker 1: basketball floor? You proeh, Oh, yeah, I was. I was

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Speaker 1: at the game when Michael Jordan hit the U sixty

583
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Speaker 1: three point six three pointers against Portland and ninety two.

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Speaker 1: So I was I was in Chicago for the combine,

585
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: so my agent and I went to the game. Okay,

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00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: so that was I saw Michael Jordan played before um.

587
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Speaker 1: But that was my introduction really into the league itself

588
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: in a championship form. Okay, that's I think that was

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Speaker 1: Game one or two of that series and the old

590
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Speaker 1: Chicago stadium of course, you know, and it was Portland

591
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Speaker 1: Clyde against Michael. It was a championship. It was just

592
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Speaker 1: electric inside that arena. And to see Michael do his

593
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: thing that day that evening was just like I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh man, this is what I'm this is what I'm

595
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: about to get involved with. That was the best. But

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Speaker 1: what happened that first time you took the floor and

597
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Speaker 1: you have to guard Jordan? Well, you know, fortunately, well

598
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: unfortunately my rookie year, I wasn't there because I held out,

599
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: so I missed him before he retired. Remember that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: guess right. So when I finally got a chance to

601
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Speaker 1: from Michael to come back, that was that ninety five season.

602
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: I will say this eerie moment. So we get on

603
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Speaker 1: the court and it's just quiet. Now we're at home

604
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Speaker 1: in Dallas. The fans are screaming but I don't hear

605
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Speaker 1: it nothing. I to see Michael, and it's just almost

606
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Speaker 1: like when I'm guarding him, it was just he and

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Speaker 1: I on a court, nobody else. I mean, never had

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Speaker 1: that feeling before. Not that I was intimidated by mikea

609
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Speaker 1: as we had some games back and forth, but it

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Speaker 1: was just this is the goal, This is Michael, and

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00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: if that's all I felt and heard was just he

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Speaker 1: and I on the court. Did he did he say anything? Oh?

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Speaker 1: You talk all kind of stuff? What you mean? I

614
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: was young and I talked stuff back. You know, Mike,

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Speaker 1: Mike you he got into his early on. He may

616
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Speaker 1: say something, it depends on how the game is gone.

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Speaker 1: But then he'll nudge you along. Especially he'll may say

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00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: some things to the ref about you, but he's talking

619
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Speaker 1: about you about you can't guard with something like that.

620
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Speaker 1: So it's it's like, but you, but Mike. What I

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Speaker 1: found dan is this Mike along like with Kobe and

622
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: other guys like that, they respect guys who go back

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Speaker 1: at him and don't back down. Now, you may not

624
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: get them or be as good as them, don't get

625
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: me wrong, but as long as you show that you

626
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: are competitor and you compete. Those kind of those guys

627
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Speaker 1: respect you. What was the difference between Kobe and Mike.

628
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: Mike didn't take a lot of bad shots, So Mike

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Speaker 1: strategically knew how to get to his spots and not

630
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: take a lot of bad shots. Kobe at times would

631
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: force the issue, especially when he was younger. Okay, Kobe

632
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: would bail you out by taking some really tough shots

633
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: and his teammates would get upset. But Michael was so

634
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: surgical and what he did. Okay, even when he was younger.

635
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: He was a volume shooter, but he didn't take a

636
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: lot of bad shots. And that's the difference between the two.

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Speaker 1: And Kobe I think learned that as he got older

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Speaker 1: that he could still get his numbers and points without

639
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: jeopardizing the offense by putting it in a tough situation

640
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: by taking tough shots. I wonder about these guys who

641
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: played in a different era. You know, Bird would be

642
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: dominant now with the three point shot. I don't know

643
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: if Magic would kind of morph into what Jason Kidd did,

644
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: and that is Jason became a very good three point shooter.

645
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: It's Michael gonna be a volume three point shooter if

646
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: he was playing now or is he going to be

647
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: like a Durant, like that guy who can go midrange

648
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: if he needs to. So I'm always curious about what

649
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: yesterday would have done today in today's game, and the

650
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: fact you can't put your hands on anybody today. Yeah, yeah,

651
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: well let me let me give you a better one.

652
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: Let me give you of guys played back in the day. Okay,

653
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna answer that question. Let's say Steph Curry.

654
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: People always talk about what Step if he played back

655
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties, he wouldn't be physical enough

656
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: to play. I said, oh ho, wait, wait, wait a minute, Well, yes,

657
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: spud Web that played, Michael Adams, that played Monkey Bowls,

658
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: that played Deep Brown, that played all guys who are

659
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: slimmer shorter that played And you know why. They grew

660
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: up in that era where they played on the playground,

661
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: they played in the alleys, they played in people's backyards.

662
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: They played a physical game, so they grew up playing

663
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: that way. Step would have been the same way. Step

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been the player we saw are we see

665
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: today because he would have grew up playing the game differently. Okay,

666
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: So fast forward. If you put a Michael Jordan, Larry

667
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: Bird A, Magic Johnson in today's game, I said, it's

668
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: about a longo morning. Listen, bro, you wouldn't be dominating

669
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Speaker 1: in the post in this era because at the age

670
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: of ten, eleven, twelve, you would be a five man

671
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: that would pick him pop. So your game wouldn't be

672
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: the same because you grew up and being taught to

673
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: play differently. So Michael, Magic Bird, all would have different

674
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: iterations of their game that would have changed because the

675
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: way they grew up playing and being taught the game. Now,

676
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: the attitudes would probably still be there, but the games

677
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: would be different on how they approached how they played.

678
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: In my mind, Phil Jackson told me a few years

679
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: ago that you know, you can't put your hand on Mike.

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00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: He would He would average forty a game. At least

681
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: he was close a couple of times. Even when even

682
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 1: when you could I think, you have, yeah, thirty seven

683
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: one year, but he might have averaged forty five a game.

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00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: That is that, you know, because I don't want to

685
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: be that. Oh I remember, you know that my era,

686
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: you know and all that stuff. But what could Mike

687
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: have averaged forty five a game? Yeah? Because we saw

688
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: with Will when nobody could guard Will. Now again, the

689
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: league was different. You didn't have the number of teams

690
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Speaker 1: when Will play maybe sixteen at his height, you know,

691
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: in the Eastern and Western Division back back then until

692
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: he got into the seventies and expanded. But Mike was

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Speaker 1: the same way you think about it. When he averaged

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Speaker 1: thirty seven, he was still learning how to play early

695
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: in his career. Okay, now you take away some hand

696
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: checking a little bit later. That gives you more free throws. Okay,

697
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: had more attempts at the basket. So that's really only

698
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: if you go from thirty seven to forty five. Okay,

699
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: that's four more free throws, two more buckets. That's all

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00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: that is per game. So it's not unrealistic to think

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Speaker 1: that he could have been in that forty to forty

702
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: five point per game range. We're talking to Jim Jackson

703
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: Turner Sports. He'll be on the call. He's got three

704
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: games coming up this weekend. You UNC Greensboro, Florida State, USC, Drake, Gonzaga,

705
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Speaker 1: Norfolk Stick give me the number one seed. Do you

706
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: think maybe a little vulnerable? Um, Michigan, Oh, no doubt.

707
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: And the reason why I say it is because Isaiah livers,

708
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: their main top score is not playing. He had the

709
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: stress reaction in his foot and looks to be out

710
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: and Dan as you know, at this time of season,

711
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: you have an injury like that to a key player,

712
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: you can't replace them. You don't have time to make up,

713
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, filling the substitution pattern with guys that feel

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Speaker 1: comfortable in that position enough at this stage when it's

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Speaker 1: a one game scenario. You know, this was a Big ten,

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00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, at the Big ten season right going into

717
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: conference championships. Maybe maybe he gets back in Hell, but

718
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: right now, not having him on the floor now as

719
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: the dynamics of how their offense operates gives you a

720
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: big body that can stretch and shoot it, a leader

721
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Speaker 1: on the floor and experience, and you can't substitute that.

722
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: So out of the top four seeds, that's the one,

723
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Speaker 1: because if they get through the first game against something

724
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Speaker 1: Texas Southern, they may have to face a tough LSU

725
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: team that took you know, that really played well in

726
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: the SEC championship game against Alabama down to the water,

727
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: so that that itself is a tough match up. If

728
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Speaker 1: they get there. Your junior year, you face the Fab five.

729
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, three times, how'd you fair? Well? I like

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00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: to believe the first two we dominate it. The third one,

731
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, when I go back to Classic Sports

732
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: and it comes on TV the Elite A game and

733
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: overtime we lost, and I keep, for some reason, damn

734
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: thinking that the outcome is gonna change. But it never,

735
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: so I stopped watching it. But you know, here's the

736
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: about that Fat five team, and they're all personal, good,

737
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: great friends of mine. I played with Chris Sacramento, played

738
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: with Jawan and Houston, Jimmy Kane was a rookie he

739
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: came and was a free agent at the Madz and

740
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: Jalen and I know each other well. And Ray Jackson.

741
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: Great group of guys, but they drew from the team

742
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: that we dominated twice in that season to a different,

743
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: more competent group when we played him in the Elite

744
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: eight and got to overtime and end up losing. So

745
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, just again, it just wasn't meant to be.

746
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's my when I played with those guys

747
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: that they hung that over me all the time, all

748
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: the time, all the time. I got you for twenty

749
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: points in that game actually at twenty four, twenty four, Yeah, overtime,

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00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: PAULI check and see if Jim Jackson's adding to his

751
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: stats there. Yeah, I might be, but I swear with

752
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: mister Jackson. I don't want to argue with you, but

753
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: box where I got you at twenty In my mind

754
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: it was twenty four. You would have won if you

755
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: had twenty four. Again, it goes back to my classic

756
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: story where I looked at it and I want things

757
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: to be differently. That is great. You're watching the A game,

758
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: you know the outcome, and you're gonna yeah. But see

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00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: that's it. Isn't that the definition of insanity? Yes? You know.

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00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying you all have it at

761
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: some point. You weren't in Dallas when I came to

762
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: Dallas to have a shooting contest against Jason Kidd. No,

763
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I was. Do you remember when? Because it was Jason's

764
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: rookie year, wasn't and he left practice. He said he

765
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: got sick during practice so he didn't have to shoot

766
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: against me. Oh is that what you believe? Oh? I

767
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: know that. But see here we go back then, Jim.

768
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: Back then, I could take Jason Kidd and eaton. He'll

769
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: be honest with you. He'll tell you that I could absolutely,

770
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: so who wait, wait, wait, wait, let's get this correct.

771
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: We were gonna I remember this. I don't know if

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00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: it was this rookie year or his second year. I

773
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: can't remember the year. But so you're telling me that

774
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: he the professional, yes, professional, yes, said that he's sick

775
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: because he didn't want to lose a damn Patrick. This

776
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a passing contest, Jim. It was a shooting contest. Okay,

777
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: but you mentioned my point like, I'm offended that you

778
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't think Jay Kidd could beat me back then shooting. Well,

779
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: and that's just like Jake kidds saying, well, I'm gonna

780
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: come to ESPN and sit in your seat at anchor,

781
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: you know the show, and you decide that you get

782
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: sick and lead. Yes, And if you were do that,

783
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: if you wouldn't do that, I would sit there and

784
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: wait for him. I wouldn't sick out. I'm telling you,

785
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: Jason kids sicked out of practice that day. I believe, Jim,

786
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I'll believe it. I'll swear on my guys.

787
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: Let swear on my guy. Jason Kidd will tell you

788
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: that he's sicked him that, yes, he will all right.

789
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: When you see Jason Kidd next time, all you need

790
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: to do is go, hey, hey, Jason. I talked to

791
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick. He said that you sicked out and didn't

792
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: want to shoot against him when he came. I came

793
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: to Dallas just to shoot against him. Jim Okay, Yeah,

794
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: I made a house. No. I believe your intentions are right.

795
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: I really do. There's no there's no intention. No. I

796
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: believe your intention to come there and shoot him was true. Yes,

797
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna and I believe you really think you

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00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: could win. I do believe that. Oh I could have won,

799
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: because I don't believe the rest of it. Why didn't you?

800
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: Why don't you text him since you know him, and

801
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: then maybe call Fritzie back and apologize for doubting me.

802
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm a bucket, Jim. I don't. I know, but I

803
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: don't have his number. Oh one eight hundred can't shoot.

804
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: But it's funny. He ended up being all time a

805
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: three point shot made. How crazy is that? And look

806
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: at what I did for his career. Yeah. I motivated him.

807
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: You did that. I motivated him and Brook Lopez. Yeah,

808
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: Jim okay, man, man, I'm starting to side with Tracy

809
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: McGrady right now, you wouldn't be the first. Thank you, buddy.

810
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: Great to talk to us anytime. Right. That's Jim Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be

812
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine to

813
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.

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00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at

815
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every

816
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00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. The legendary

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00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: broadcaster he's Jimmy Brockmyer, good friends with Hankers Area and

819
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: we thought it would be fun to have him on.

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00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: He did give us a celebrity bracket, but no news.

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00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: A baseball guy and Jim Brockmeyer joining us on the program.

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00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: Have you ever called a college basketball game near Jimmy?

823
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: You know I did. Very early in my career. I

824
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: called games for the basketball program at the Art Institute

825
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: of Kansas City. Very very bad team, filled with performance

826
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: artists and interpretive dancers and mimes. Very frustrating because they

827
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: could do very impressive physical feats, but they had no

828
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: clue how to play basketball. It was like watching a

829
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: Bizarro version of the Harlem Globe shotters. But the mimes

830
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: are very good at boxing people out. Dan. You see

831
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: what I did there with the boxing? You see that?

832
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: See see what you did there, Jimmy, you set him up,

833
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: you knock him down. Yeah, I went old school with

834
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: you on that one. I don't know why I always

835
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: want to imitate your voice when I'm talking to you.

836
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: You just you have that unique delivery, and I always

837
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: want to get into Jimmy Brockmyer. Maybe I was wanting,

838
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, I was a kid growing up listening to you,

839
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: and maybe I don't know, maybe tried to emulate you

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00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: a little bit. It gets in there, doesn't it. It's

841
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: like it's like I'm like your jim in a cricket.

842
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm like the voice of your conscience. It's like embedded.

843
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: Would you rather go out for beers with Vince Scully

844
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: or the late Harry Carry? Oh what a wonderful question,

845
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the abbey I've been with both.

846
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: The obvious answer is Harry Carry. I'm gonna say Vince

847
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: Scully because here's the thing about Vin. He does not

848
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: come out for beers. He goes out for a beer

849
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: and then Liza's was true in the eighties when I

850
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: went out with him without telling anybody, and he likes

851
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: to drop acid and it turns into a crazy evening.

852
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think here in Vince Scully called

853
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: a baseball game's perfection, just wait to hear him narrate

854
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: his own mental journey into the fourth dimension. It remains

855
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: one of my most treasured memories as a baseball announcer

856
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: is watching a shirtless Vince Scully describe the Aya God

857
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: and the Shabez Ravine parking lot, or trying to ride

858
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: a coyote like a horse, which he did do. It's

859
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: a good thing there was in social media back then. Yeah,

860
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: it would have been that. I never would have filmed

861
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: the well, actually, I probably would have been posted. I mean,

862
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: it's a strong accusation there on what you just made.

863
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: It's not an accusation, it's it's a celebration. Oh. How

864
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: many plaid jackets do you have? I have? I have two.

865
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: This was the original. H This was eighteen dollars, and

866
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: then they made another one for me because it got

867
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: a got a little seed in smelly, so I had

868
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: to have another go to. Yeah, when people see you

869
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: on the street. What do they say too? Well, they

870
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: usually avoid eye contact with me, several of them. Several

871
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: of them I've had run ins with. Often I never

872
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: know who I'm so much of my life has been

873
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: blacked out that I never know hop People come up

874
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: to me accusing me of stuff. And I used to

875
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: take umbridge and I realized the probably right, I probably

876
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: didn't do that. So but you know, they say, hey,

877
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: aren't you that guy? And I say, oh, you know,

878
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: I'm wanted in several days. So you probably have seen

879
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: my picture at the post office. When did drinking on

880
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: the air start? I think it's as old as time,

881
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean, for me, right from the beginning.

882
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean I was the youngest youngest man ever, youngest

883
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: person to ever call a professional baseball game. I was

884
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: twenty one years old, and I started right in. I

885
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: learned from the best. I didn't know that you could

886
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: actually could call a game without it, that was possible?

887
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: Is it? So you can get this? It makes baseball

888
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: tolerable if you've been drinking. I mean, who, I guess

889
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: your buck just shared? Yes he did that. He and

890
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: Troy like to have a couple. Um. You know, I look,

891
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about football, but baseball, man, you gotta

892
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: fill a lot of time with a lot of words,

893
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick, I mean it does make it a lot easier.

894
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean there's a reason why fans enjoy beer at

895
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: the game. It's no different than the announcers. Mean, you

896
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: got to get through that thing somehow. Are you okay

897
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: with implementing digital strikes on? They're they're gonna do that

898
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues, but and then I guess, see

899
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: how that works and bring it into the nature's Yeah,

900
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: I've accepted. I don't know if I'm okay with it.

901
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: I've accepted it as inevitable. I have a tingent disappointment

902
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: about it because I do love the uncertainty of the

903
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: human umpire. I mean, there's nothing like being in a

904
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: stadium packful of people waiting anxiously to hear the opinion

905
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: of an out of shape middle aged man. You know,

906
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: it's an experience you usually only get at baseball games

907
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: at the Republican National Convention. But I hope, the hope

908
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: the digital strike zones do have some variability, you know,

909
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: geem a little of that human umpire craziness, Like every

910
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: every April fool's day. I love it if there's a

911
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: knob they can turn that sets the machine to like

912
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: Angel Hernandez or something. I'm gonna miss seeing managers argue

913
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: with these guys. I think at the very least, they

914
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: should allow teams to have a robot assistant coach, one

915
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: that's programmed to fight with the umpire, like a tiny

916
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: little one with a Chicago White Sox hat on a

917
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: little Tony larumba, and he can roll out there and

918
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: yell the effort and spray dust on home plate or something.

919
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: He's the legendary Jim Brockmeyer, the Minor League Baseball play

920
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: by playboys. Best advice that you give to those that

921
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: would like to try to succeed in this field? What

922
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: would it be? Boy? Usually I discourage them both out

923
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: of sympathy for them, trying to save them and their

924
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: parents a lot of heartache, but also jealousy, Like I

925
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: try to try to cut the cut young people off

926
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: at the knees. Then because I don't want to deal

927
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: with them. These millennials are getting my face, you know

928
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, and so I don't offer too much encouragement.

929
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: I try to I try to intimidate them and discourage them.

930
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: Where are you working this spring or this summer? Currently

931
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: between I have a new power. That's the nice segue.

932
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: Have a new podcast coming out, hey, Jim Brockmyer podcast. Wait,

933
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: you're not doing baseball? Well, taking a little break between jobs?

934
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: They want to go into while I got fired from

935
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: the last one. But so this is your between jobs,

936
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: not by your doing. It's never by my own doing. Nan, No,

937
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: you may have done it, but you're in between jobs

938
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: because somebody's not going to hire you. Yeah, or they

939
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: just I'm currently I'm between jobs. Okay, you like to say,

940
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: but pods are an opportunity for this podcast thing. They

941
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: had to have a young person coming to be explaining

942
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: the difference between the radio showing a podcast, and several

943
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: hours later I still did not understand, but apparently I

944
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: agreed to do it. Pretty sure. I was black out

945
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: drunk for that too. Do you know, is there what's

946
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: the difference stand between the radio showing podcast? Is there

947
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: any difference? No commercial breaks during a podcast? Okay, see,

948
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: I just thought it was one of these modern term

949
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: things like they liked and you're like, it's not a snowstorm,

950
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: it's a polar vortex. Not a vegetable, it's plant based.

951
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: You know. It's not a radio show. It's podcast. Well,

952
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: podcasts can go as long as you want it to

953
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: go radio. You know, it's like podcast is an extra

954
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: inning game. Who knows how long it's going to go.

955
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: I thank you for putting into terms I can understand. Yeah.

956
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: By the way, the top of your head looks nice.

957
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: Your cranial sprouts we still call it hair? Do I

958
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: have to say cranial sprouts? Now you can call it hair?

959
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah. Yeah, did you our shoes still shoes?

960
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 1: They're not foot impact red. No, I think they're shoes. Okay, great,

961
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: so podcast? All right? Yeah, I don't want you to

962
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: adapt to today. I want you to continue to be

963
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: you from yesterday. I agree with these kids today. Make

964
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: it harder and harder. Now, now you be you? Jim

965
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna take that with me into my

966
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: next job. But I'm lucky enough to get hired. I'm

967
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: gonna take that advice with me. How's your love life?

968
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: By the way, Uh, disturbing as usual? Um? In between

969
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: in between women quite literally like you can't see it? Wait,

970
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: there are two women in there? Yeah, on either side. Wow, Yeah,

971
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: it's like those TV shows from the seventies. You still

972
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: love that that cliche from TV shows and guys would

973
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: walk in with two babes on their arms. Yeah. I

974
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: never saw that in real life, did you. No? No,

975
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm still looking for it, but I've not

976
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: seen it. Like I dream of Jeanie is not real? No,

977
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: pretty sure that was? That was not a documentary. No, no,

978
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: it was not. Um So you're in the bracket challenge.

979
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: Apparently you guys asked me to do it, so I

980
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: did it. Yeah, and uh, do you have any idea

981
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: of what you're doing? Well, you know, I'll tell you

982
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: you asked me to do it, so you know. I

983
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: try to take it serious last but I stare at

984
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: this bracket for like fifteen minutes mostly just try kind

985
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: of care, trying to work up some way to care

986
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: about it. Couldn't do that. Has failed at that, but

987
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, I under normal circumstances, I find it. Who cares?

988
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: But this year it's really weird. I think it's strange.

989
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: We've trapped a bunch of college students in a hotel

990
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: for our amusement. Sounds more like the premise of a

991
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: pornographic film. But you know I did the bracket, so

992
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: my process was I started by writing two of the

993
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: final four at Oral Roberts. Oral Roberts a morehead state.

994
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: I know that's immature, don't care work backwards from that.

995
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: In the Midwest, I have loyal to Chicago getting knocked

996
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: out in the first round. Apologies to Sister Jean, and

997
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to write this in the prediction, but

998
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: I believe that due to a combination of COVID nineteen

999
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: and the power of Sister Jean's Christian prayer, Yola, Chicago

1000
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: will rise again in the third round like Jesus, but

1001
00:56:54,120 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: then lose again immediately to Illinois. So never grow up, Jimmy. Okay,

1002
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: I will not I will not go. And I wish

1003
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: you well with that podcast there and and I hope

1004
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: to talk to you soon. It's coming out in April.

1005
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: Charles Brockman's our first guest. I hope you will join us,

1006
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: and we're going to have luminarians from the world of sports.

1007
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: Is there alcohol involved, of course, then I'll do it

1008
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: just by showing up my blood alcohol level. You could

1009
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: probably just breathe near me and you'll you'll get nice

1010
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: and waisted. Jimmy Brockmeyer. Jim, thanks for entering the bracket

1011
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: challenge and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Dan

1012
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: Patrick O is a pleasure. Jimmy Brockmyer. Not sure I

1013
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 1: believe all the stories that he tells, but he tells

1014
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: it in a unique way. A Hall of famer, Jimmy Brockmyer.

1015
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

1016
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,160
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1017
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1018
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