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Speaker 2: The John Nnick and Kenny Florian podcast. That's so Gary,

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian, Hi God, you're your hosts, John Annick and

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: Oh, unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: It is Monday, December thirty first, twenty eighteen, Happy Early

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Speaker 4: New Year, Episode one eighty six, anak imploring podcast.

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Speaker 3: What a weekend for the UFC in Inglewood, California.

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Speaker 4: You could be sure we will dedicate most of this

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Speaker 4: show to UFC two thirty two, but we're going to

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Speaker 4: start by letting you know who won our two thousand

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Speaker 4: and eight main Event Challenge. And despite trailing one thirty

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Speaker 4: to one sixteen on the twelfth of November, and despite

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Speaker 4: I thought, what were some really good guest pickers for

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Speaker 4: Team Annik down the stretch. They just could not compete

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Speaker 4: with Team Florian, who wins five consecutive weeks nine to

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Speaker 4: three and then seven to three over the final two

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Speaker 4: shows to win the main Event Challenge by two points.

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Speaker 4: This is an epic comeback. I feel like you should

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Speaker 4: get to win something significant. I will do the Power

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Speaker 4: Hour now instead of you. But this just proves, with

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Speaker 4: this backloaded schedule that Ken Flow is back at a

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Speaker 4: big way, and anyone who was banging on you for

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Speaker 4: a few wayward picks middle of the year is eaton

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Speaker 4: Crow here Monday morning.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, dude, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, I just want to be real humble about this

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Speaker 5: and just no, I'm not Are you kidding? This is

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Speaker 5: the greatest comeback since the Super Bowl when the Patriots

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Speaker 5: won in twenty seventeen, when they came back to beat

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Speaker 5: the Falcons in overtime. That's how great this comeback is.

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Speaker 5: Because I was completely written off. People are making YouTube

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Speaker 5: videos about Ken Flow's curse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, dude, yeah, oh wow.

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Speaker 4: It must be our last day on Fox Sports because

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Speaker 4: Ken Flow just flipped the bird to the Fox Sports camera.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we talk about a foot out the fucking door.

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Speaker 4: So my show prep even for this podcast something I

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Speaker 4: take very seriously. Right, Yeah, So what did I have

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Speaker 4: to do today? I had to go back and look

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Speaker 4: at the Main Event Challenge fucking standings, right to see

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Speaker 4: the epic nature of this comeback.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a fucking joke.

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Speaker 4: Like, I'm not trying to cuss a bunch because it's

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Speaker 4: our last show with Fox Sports. Like, this is crazy

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Speaker 4: to me that somehow I lost the twenty eighteen Main

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Speaker 4: Event Challenge.

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Speaker 3: So I was up fourteen points on November twelfth.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know there were a lot of live

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Speaker 4: events to come, but so you won that next week

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Speaker 4: six to four, cut the lead to twelve one thirty

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Speaker 4: four one twenty two. You won the next week two

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Speaker 4: to one, so I'm still up eleven one thirty five

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Speaker 3: As we hit December.

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Speaker 4: That's when I pushed out a tweet that it said, like,

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Speaker 4: you were going to lose the Main Event Challenge, so

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Speaker 4: don't don't celebrate prematurely, ladies and gentlemen. So the next

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Speaker 4: week you win six to three. Then it was the

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Speaker 4: nine to three UFC two thirty one. You got I

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Speaker 4: think three or four points for Nina answer Off beating

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Speaker 3: That was a huge swing fight.

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Speaker 4: You had Max Holloway at the exact method of victory

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Speaker 4: in the exact round, and then crazy how it went

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Speaker 4: at UFC two thirty two. You needed both of those

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Speaker 4: last two fights to come in. You needed Amanda Nunez

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Speaker 4: by knockout, and you needed John Jones, and you win

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Speaker 4: the main event challenge by two. I mean, I tip

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Speaker 4: my fucking cap to you guy. Uh my guest pickers, man,

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Speaker 4: I thought they did well, but dude, I you know,

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Speaker 5: Again, I just want to emphasize to everybody who listens

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Speaker 5: this podcast, I'm not I'm not only going against John Anick.

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Speaker 5: I'm going against every mind and every analyst, every gambler,

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Speaker 3: And guess what I still want. I still was what, Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, is this the third year in a Rowannick?

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Speaker 3: Come on?

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Speaker 4: You know I I think yeah, I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: and you're better off you're better off making your own picks.

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Speaker 4: And you know this whole Nate diaz conor Regregor think

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Speaker 4: screwed it up. That's right, that's right. Two o nine baby. Well, see,

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Speaker 4: I the bets I need to win, right, like the

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Speaker 4: came in and he had to go do that. But

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Speaker 4: I will honor this bet as I always do. I

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Speaker 4: will do a power hour. I feel like yesterday I

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Speaker 4: ate a fucking vegemite sandwich, right and now the power

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Speaker 4: hour is like a few weeks from now, because it

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Speaker 4: took me eight months to pay off that bet.

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Speaker 3: You just don't the way.

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Speaker 5: You don't want to do that combo. By the way,

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Speaker 5: the vegemite sandwich and the power hour would not be good.

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Speaker 4: I need to get a base before the power hour.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to be a vegemite sandwich. But ken

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Speaker 4: Flow was supposed to babysit my kids with no other

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Speaker 4: adult presence for four hours and that and that he

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Speaker 4: didn't make it on that. But I digress, so I will.

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Speaker 4: I will pay off the power hour, and I'll probably

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Speaker 4: between now and then, but I'm gonna pay off the bet,

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Speaker 4: and I don't want to steal Amanda Noonez's thunder anymore.

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Speaker 4: So with respect to John Jones and everybody else, we

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Speaker 4: will get to all of them. But Amanda Nunez, Man,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you talk about accuracy and power and confidence,

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Speaker 4: but flow she looked less intimidated in there to fight

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Speaker 4: this world beater Chris Cyborg than maybe any fighter getting

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Speaker 4: competition I've ever seen, you know, I people always asking

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Speaker 4: and oftentimes I have a lean, but I don't feel

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Speaker 3: Without a doubt.

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Speaker 5: Man, And you look at the context at which she

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Speaker 5: reverted back to the old Cyborg that we recognized in

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Speaker 5: Victa and in her early UFC fights, where she would

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Speaker 4: Well. It's interesting because I talked to Jason Perillo after

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Speaker 4: Amandon noon, and that's exactly what she did. To your point, right,

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Speaker 4: she it's so hard to be perfect every fight night, right,

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Speaker 4: but this was obviously not a great decision. Should have retreated,

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Speaker 4: a sudden, this fight is over in a blink. But

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Speaker 4: big picture, man, just a huge win for her, and

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Speaker 4: as Dana said after the fact, they really sort of

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Speaker 4: I guess for me, when I looked at Amanda Noon

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Speaker 4: maybe there are more wins than I'm acknowledging, but you know,

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Speaker 4: she lost to Alexis Davis. You know there were some

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Speaker 3: But she proves she's a big game player.

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Speaker 4: She had the better strength of schedule going in, and

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Speaker 4: I think that experience paid dividends. But just a huge

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Speaker 5: I agree, man, and I got to agree with you

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Speaker 5: two things. First of all, the speed of Amanda Noon

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Speaker 5: I mean, look at who she's beaten. Misha Tate she

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Speaker 5: did it in round one, Ronda Rousey, she beat Chevchenko twice.

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Speaker 5: I mean the schedule that she had was way more

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Speaker 5: women just weren't highly skilled that Cyborg beat. Now that

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Speaker 5: doesn't mean Cyborg isn't a great fighter, but she just

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Speaker 5: didn't see enough. She didn't see as much as Amanda

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Speaker 3: So to me, that was a telling thing.

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Speaker 5: And and Nuna has ended up pulling through and became

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Speaker 5: the greatest female fighter we had ever seen inside the octagon.

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Speaker 4: And what does this say about Valentina chev Chenko?

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Speaker 3: Amazing?

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Speaker 4: Who is you know, twenty pounds south of this? The

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Speaker 4: champion who a lot of people thought beat Amanda Nunez

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Speaker 4: in that second meeting over a hard twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 4: Well a lot of it wasn't all that hard and

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Speaker 4: was pretty strategic, I guess at times. But that's as

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Speaker 4: dangerous a flight as Edywood for abandon dudez right, I

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Speaker 4: mean with respect to Megan Anderson and potentially who could

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Speaker 4: be next to featherweight. I'm not sure Amanda's going to

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you talked about this on the post flight show.

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Speaker 4: What do you think her immediate future holds?

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Speaker 5: Well, it was interesting because when we asked her if

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Speaker 3: The fight i'd like to see is obviously Holly Holm.

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Speaker 4: It might not have been announced already, but Holly Holm

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Speaker 4: I think that's the real challenge. It's a unique fight.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, and John, how big of

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Speaker 5: It seemed like it was loudest for the noon as

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Speaker 3: Insane. Man.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're spoiled by all of these great fight atmospheres,

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Speaker 3: Or what's the best atmosphere?

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Speaker 4: You know, And it's like, sometimes I answer the most

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Speaker 3: You know, I live down here in South Florida.

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Speaker 4: I know Amanda noon As and Nina answer off a

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Speaker 4: So congrats to a man of newness, John Jones. Outstanding performance.

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Speaker 4: You know people want to nippick this performance.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure if John was grading himself on a ten

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that. I knew he was limping, and

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Speaker 5: Well, it kind of makes sense now because when John

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Speaker 5: You know, when I first saw that performance, I said,

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Speaker 5: He never allows allowed Gustifson to get into boxing range.

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Speaker 5: He kind of used those tentacles and frames to jam

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Speaker 3: He wasn't fainting his way in.

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Speaker 5: He was thrown off completely by the movement and the

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Speaker 5: Why wrestling, his striking, his jiu jitsu, his ability to

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Speaker 4: And this is a very disciplined camp and coaching staff

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Speaker 3: So I thought it was a damn good performance. Certainly.

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Speaker 4: I think if you're Daniel Cormier sitting home watching it,

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Speaker 4: I think John Jones looked great. Best weightcut he's ever had.

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Speaker 4: And I know there's a huge backstory that we didn't

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like, I don't know how else you

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you're right, And I think that's why

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Speaker 5: winning a rematch against this guy. And we have to

435
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Speaker 5: give credit to his team, Brandon Gibson, Jackson Winkle, John

436
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Speaker 5: of course, all those guys and the amazing job that

437
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Speaker 5: they do because he has a very smart team around him.

438
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Speaker 5: And you could see it when John Jones talks about

439
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Speaker 5: the game, when you really get him talking about mixed

440
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Speaker 5: martial arts, you can see this is a very intelligent

441
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Speaker 5: and knowledgeable mixed martial arts fighter.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to Izzy Wrestling Martinez, Roberto Allen Carr, I

443
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Speaker 4: mean a lot of people TUSA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So in terms of John Jones, now as we spin

446
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Speaker 4: this thing forward, John Jones was the guy we always

447
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Speaker 4: talked about about being the first light heavyweight and heavyweight

448
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Speaker 4: champion simultaneously. He wasn't even afford of that opportunity before

449
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Speaker 4: Daniel Cormier went and accomplished that feat, right, I always

450
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Speaker 4: thought John would have the desire to eventually move up

451
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Speaker 4: to heavyweight. I think there's some pause now, in part

452
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Speaker 4: because the weight cut went so good, but also because

453
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Speaker 4: he either doesn't want I just thought, why not go

454
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Speaker 4: try to take Daniel Cormier's heavyweight title, But it seems

455
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Speaker 4: like he's much more concerned with proving to Daniel that

456
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Speaker 4: he was never the light heavyweight champion, and also I

457
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Speaker 4: think maybe more saliently making sure Daniel Cormier cuts down

458
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Speaker 4: to two hundred and five pounds before they close the

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Speaker 4: door behind him.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and listen, you know, as a fighter, I think

461
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Speaker 5: you got to make some smart decisions.

462
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Speaker 3: You can't lead with your ego.

463
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Speaker 5: And I think for John Jones, he knows he's best

464
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Speaker 5: at two hundred and five pounds and he knows Daniel

465
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Speaker 5: Cormier is best at heavyweight.

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Speaker 3: Would John Jones fight at heavyweight? I believe he would.

467
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Speaker 5: But if he has the choice, and you know, I

468
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Speaker 5: think with everything we saw, he's gonna have the advantage

469
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Speaker 5: on kind of where he chooses, you know, to battle

470
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Speaker 5: Daniel Cormer. In my opinion, I think he probably has

471
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Speaker 5: the advantage there. And if I was John Jones, I

472
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Speaker 5: would try to do the very same thing. So yeah,

473
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think there's something there's something in me

474
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Speaker 5: that believes that they are going to fight again.

475
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Speaker 4: I said on the pay per view while you were

476
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Speaker 4: doing your post fight show, Okay, DC diet starts tomorrow, right,

477
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Speaker 4: I mean for Daniel Kenny, you know, I just think

478
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of different things in his head. Obviously,

479
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 4: he was the most invested observer in this fight between

480
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Speaker 4: Gustafson and John Jones. Brock Lesner is the big variable,

481
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Speaker 4: but I think DC's got to prepare for a scenario

482
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Speaker 4: in which Brock isn't able to fight, you know, So

483
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of different components to this. Will

484
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Speaker 4: continue it on the other side because now with us

485
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Speaker 4: on the guest line and we don't want to make

486
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Speaker 4: him wait, you know. For me, this was really one

487
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Speaker 4: of the top breakout UFC stars of twenty eighteen. Israel

488
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Speaker 4: Lota Sonia is going to get a lot of that hardware,

489
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Speaker 4: But another guy who deserves it for me and a

490
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Speaker 4: guy who's just getting started UFC lightweight contender, Alexander Hernandez

491
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Speaker 4: is with us. Alex John Anna, Kenny Florian here man,

492
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Speaker 4: how are you today.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Joe, Well, brother, I appreciate that introduction.

494
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Speaker 3: My pleasure.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 4: Well, we appreciate your time this morning. So January nineteenth,

497
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Speaker 4: for you, you're going for a ninth straight win against

498
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Speaker 4: Donald Cowboys SERRONI I know you said after the Olivier

499
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Speaker 4: Obama Mercya fight that you wanted to get one more

500
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Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, but I guess, all things considered, three

501
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Speaker 4: weeks after the new year, I guess it's all right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not mad at the way the deck kind

503
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Speaker 6: of came together. You know, I definitely take this fight

504
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Speaker 6: over any really options that've seemed available in twenty eighteen.

505
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Speaker 6: So again, the pace of things and the foreseeable trajectory

506
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Speaker 6: is playing in my favor, I think, And so I'm

507
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Speaker 6: more than happy with our next sponent, and just again

508
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Speaker 6: the crescendo the time that I've have ahead of me.

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Speaker 4: I know you've talked a lot about being a champion

510
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. You'll come into this fight with a

511
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Speaker 4: number twelve next to your name. I know you had

512
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Speaker 4: interest in a guy ranked above you, justin Gaetchee, But

513
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: clearly some upside in fighting a guy in Donald Cowboys

514
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Speaker 4: Seroni who seems to be moving back down to try

515
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Speaker 4: to try to make one more title run here at

516
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Speaker 4: fifty five.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, he's got a lot more on his

518
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Speaker 6: name right now. He just came off of a huge

519
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Speaker 6: win of Mike Perry, and I was happy for him

520
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Speaker 6: to see that too, and so it's super exciting. He's

521
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Speaker 6: a huge household name and I'm sure will go down

522
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Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame. Of course he will was

523
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Speaker 6: now his you know, highest wins and it finishes. So uh,

524
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Speaker 6: it's gonna be a true pleasure to face him. And

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Speaker 6: again I think I could I couldn't have. I could

526
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Speaker 6: not have asked and planned for anyone better at this

527
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Speaker 6: current moment.

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Speaker 5: You know, alex Is there is there an area in

529
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Speaker 5: Cerroni's game where you think he's a little bit more

530
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Speaker 5: dangerous than you.

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Speaker 6: Now you know he has his game and I have mine,

532
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Speaker 6: and I'm I'm so obsessively compulsive about about balance in everything,

533
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Speaker 6: and uh and making sure that there aren't any flaws

534
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Speaker 6: or discrepancies in my game from from one element to

535
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Speaker 6: the next. And I'm ulture where the multra critical is.

536
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 6: You got to probably you know, ascertained by now. And

537
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Speaker 6: so now I try to beat the ship out of

538
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Speaker 6: myself long before anybody else can. When the lights are on,

539
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Speaker 6: I don't see anywhere on the feet or on the

540
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Speaker 6: ground that I'll be vulnerable. And I'm not scared to

541
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Speaker 6: take it anywhere, you know, I'm excited. I'm excited just

542
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 6: to gain his face and break them on the feet,

543
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Speaker 6: on the ground, wherever the fight goes. I can push it,

544
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 6: I can press them, and I can break them on

545
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Speaker 6: the ground, on the feet wherever we need to. And

546
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Speaker 6: so I'm I'm excited going there a little bit more loose,

547
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 6: a little bit more comfortable than I was last time,

548
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Speaker 6: and and really showcased some more talent.

549
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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And it's also the tremendous camp is it's probably my

551
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Speaker 6: first camp that I've ever gone through without, you know,

552
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Speaker 6: just completely injury free. So I'm I'm fortunate for that.

553
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Speaker 6: I'm happy.

554
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Speaker 5: Well, it's clear as student of the game man, and

555
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Speaker 5: I am really impressed with your mindset of how you

556
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 5: approach the game and how critical you are. Where do

557
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Speaker 5: you get that mindset from?

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Speaker 6: You know? I just always kind of been like that,

559
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Speaker 6: I think, you know, I there's certainly been in times

560
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Speaker 6: in my life where I assume less of myself and

561
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Speaker 6: I'm just kind of through with that ship, you know,

562
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Speaker 6: thinking less and not not knowing that there's anyone that's

563
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Speaker 6: going to do it. You know, why that? Why the

564
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Speaker 6: fuck not me?

565
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Speaker 3: You?

566
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Speaker 6: Why not me? And so I certainly started in wrestling,

567
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Speaker 6: uh as a kid, just becoming ultra critical myself. And

568
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Speaker 6: then even in the business world, there's anything I do

569
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Speaker 6: with my name tied to it needs to be the best.

570
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Speaker 6: And it's just kind of a it's a habit that

571
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Speaker 6: you start to develop. You kind of just start, you start,

572
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Speaker 6: you start picking up this attribute, you know, it's kind

573
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Speaker 6: of character trait. And then just the more that you

574
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Speaker 6: practice it, the more you implement it in everything you

575
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Speaker 6: do in life. Uh, the more it just becomes routine

576
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 6: and happening and just a part of you. And so

577
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 6: it's just the way you got to be, especially if

578
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 6: you want to be the best. There's not really any

579
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 6: kind of there's no loose sense that you can afford,

580
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 6: especially at once they fight and everyone's too everyone's too

581
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 6: damn dangerous. And the reason I'm like that is because

582
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Speaker 6: I have such respect for the game, for my opponents,

583
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 6: for you know, for the evolution of fighting, and so

584
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Speaker 6: I got to stay on the top end.

585
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Speaker 2: Of the curve.

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Speaker 5: It makes a lot of sense, man, And you've become

587
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Speaker 5: one of the new breeds, uh in the UFC.

588
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Speaker 3: When did you know you wanted to fight?

589
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Speaker 4: You know?

590
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Speaker 6: I started. I started wrestling around thirteen years old, and

591
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Speaker 6: I ended up not going to college and wrestling like

592
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Speaker 6: I planned. I just choked. It used to be a

593
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 6: real choker in those big matches, and so that was

594
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Speaker 6: kind of like I was becoming a man. That was

595
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Speaker 6: a big thing that overcame, and it was a huge

596
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Speaker 6: just mental mountain that I had to break through for

597
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Speaker 6: myself in seeing myself as a champion, not seeing myself

598
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Speaker 6: as a runner up or a finalist, you know. And

599
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Speaker 6: I kind of started to get that breakthrough in MMA

600
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Speaker 6: when I was eighteen. I ended up not doing the

601
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Speaker 6: wrestling route. I was just doing the finance route in

602
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 6: school and like he did doing high school, like you

603
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 6: just like, I'm just gonna lift waste and be a

604
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 6: bro pretty much. And I stumbled into a jiu jitsu gym,

605
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Speaker 6: a Jiu jitsum Way High gym because my uncle injured

606
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Speaker 6: his knee, and so he's like, hey, man, I just

607
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Speaker 6: take the best of my membership. And so I started

608
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Speaker 6: picking that up. And it was just one of those

609
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Speaker 6: things where like I wasn't planning anything. I just I

610
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Speaker 6: guess I just missed rolling around with sweaty dudes and

611
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Speaker 6: just kind of the act of combat and contact, and

612
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Speaker 6: so I just kind of I would just go and

613
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Speaker 6: then before I knew it, I was just kind of like, yeah,

614
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Speaker 6: I can miss this class and pick it up later

615
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 6: and just kind of go to go to go to

616
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Speaker 6: training instead. And so I was going during the day,

617
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Speaker 6: i was going at night. And then when that ended,

618
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 6: fortunately I found my head coach now who I've been

619
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 6: with since the beginning at Ohana, and I just found

620
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 6: myself spending all my time. Then you start spending enough

621
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Speaker 6: time and then the coaches are like, you know, and

622
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 6: maybe you just give this a try. So okay. So

623
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Speaker 6: we did this little like local TV show thing and

624
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 6: in Texas kind of like central South Texas for amateurs,

625
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 6: and I was kind of doing that. I was enjoying myself,

626
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 6: and I was always on the upper end of the

627
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 6: competition and generally beating most people, and so it was

628
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 6: just kind of, you know, let's just let's just go

629
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Speaker 6: for it. And I started doing amateur you wear enough

630
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 6: amateur fights to go professional, and it just kind of

631
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 6: kept it just kind of kept steamrolling, you know. And

632
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 6: then there was some time in my career kind of

633
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 6: where I second guessed that and then I had to

634
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 6: do some self reflection then brought it back.

635
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Speaker 4: It's it's interesting to hear you set all of that

636
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: up flow. I wonder if I'll ever get to a

637
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: point where I missed jiu jitsu class so much that

638
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 4: I just have to go back.

639
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: I'm not there yet.

640
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Speaker 4: You have lightweight contender Allexandanda's with us here on the

641
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 4: Anakin Floridan podcast. So you sort of hinted at your obsessive,

642
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: compulsive nature, and I think a lot of it works

643
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: to your benefit. I know how thoughtful you are, but

644
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: after you essentially go to Canada you dominate Olivier Obamberca.

645
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 4: It wasn't necessarily to your liking. You wanted to devastate him.

646
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: You don't consider him to be on your level. And

647
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: you hinted that maybe there were some things in the

648
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Speaker 4: back before the fight that could have got a little

649
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Speaker 4: better in terms of the warm up and trying to

650
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 4: peek at the right time. Was that just you know,

651
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 4: getting to a stage of your career and even just

652
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 4: as they say, you learn every fight and you maybe

653
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 4: learn something back there before the fight.

654
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 3: What was that all about?

655
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 6: Yeah? Absolutely, you know, because we are new and so

656
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 6: I mean it was I think I think the biggest

657
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 6: detriment to me in that fight was I mean, I

658
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 6: had excellent, an excellent week and I felt excellent right before.

659
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 6: It was just I think we had a timing error.

660
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 6: I mean, we one hundred percent had a timing era,

661
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 6: and I think that was pretty much the sole attribution

662
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 6: of why I felt as lackluster as I did entering

663
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 6: that fight, and all my friends, everybody right there by

664
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 6: the ring, big salid in my eye, and I was

665
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 6: having to really overcompensate to try to get myself to

666
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 6: where I wanted to be. But it was a great

667
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 6: mental test, man, just kind of fighting through where you

668
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 6: feel not incredible. But yeah, we had a huge I mean,

669
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 6: everybody back there, there's Alvarez's corner, there's Kie sat back there,

670
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 6: all these guys, and they're just watching us with their

671
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 6: jaw open, like this motherfucker's about to kill somebody. This

672
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 6: guy's this is a hell of a warm up. We were,

673
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 6: we were blowing it out, got a hard sweat, was

674
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 6: feeling incredible, and I was I stopped. I was like

675
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 6: I felt God said, and I was ready just to

676
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 6: kill me. But I have no fear, no nerves, just

677
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 6: completely focused. And we got done though, and it was like, okay, ship,

678
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 6: we still got about twenty minutes left. I looked at

679
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 6: my coach, like all we got to start that at

680
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 6: least ten minutes later next time, and so I'm pacing.

681
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 6: I ended up pacing. They put another five minutes. I

682
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 6: end up pacing for twenty five minutes. And you go

683
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 6: out there, they run the reel, Auvin works walks out,

684
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 6: and I walk out to a bunch of screaming, booing Canadians.

685
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 6: They played the wrong song. Nothing that's gonna stop me

686
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 6: from killing somebody, but it certainly doesn't help pick your

687
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 6: mood up. There's like all those Canadians that were like, hi,

688
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 6: five what you said say before? I didn't know they

689
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 6: had that kind of that kind of resilience in them,

690
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 6: but they were definitely they regressive, their hostile that night,

691
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 6: and uh And I went out there and it was

692
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 6: like probably, I mean shit, by the time I got

693
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 6: out there, it was almost thirty five minutes from whenever

694
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 6: I felt my peak from warming up in the back.

695
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 6: And so by that point, my knee, I'm trying to

696
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 6: feel my knees, I'm trying to fill the eggs of

697
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 6: my shoulders, my neck, and I was just kind of like, hey,

698
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 6: get that up, dude, it doesn't matter, like let's just go.

699
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 6: But it was it certainly wasn't like the perfect time

700
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 6: like I did in the dairy Use fight where I

701
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 6: just came out hot and ready to go. So I

702
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 6: think we just need clip the timing, and that's something

703
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 6: we've already done. We've already kind of calculated here's exactly

704
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 6: how much we need to do. And I sure as

705
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 6: hell would much prefer be on the on the climb,

706
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 6: like that crescendo side, instead of on the decline. So like,

707
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 6: even if I had to cut it short, but I'm

708
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 6: still revving up that that's beautiful. I got no problem

709
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 6: with that. But we just we just fell I kind

710
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 6: of like hit a good stride and then we just

711
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 6: paced for like over half an hour of just pacing.

712
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 6: And so by the time you walk out there, you're like, Okay,

713
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 6: this isn't nearly as exciting. That's all the time before

714
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 6: you know.

715
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 5: Timing is Timing is tricky because you never know how

716
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 5: the other fights are going to go, right, So yeah,

717
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 5: it's interesting.

718
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: Well, dude, I'll never never forget it.

719
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 6: It was kind of even a rookie hear. I don't know,

720
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 6: but we're cleaning it up, we're tigening it up.

721
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 4: So ken Fler can relate he was, He's been in

722
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: some swing bout situations.

723
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: That's how long he goes back. H So, Alex the

724
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: dark USh result.

725
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 4: I'll never forget talking to you before that fight, your

726
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 4: UFC debut earlier this year and March you knocked about

727
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 4: forty two seconds, probably a knockout. That's going to be

728
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: in some knockout of the year conversations. But what a

729
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: highlight that was for you, and what a way to

730
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 4: begin your UFC career. What do you remember about, if anything,

731
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: your only pro loss split decision, Jamal Emmer's five and

732
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 4: a half years ago in Far Texas.

733
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was still me trying to figure out that

734
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 6: old slump of myself. You know, I went in my fight.

735
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 6: It's very anxious, and I don't think I really knew

736
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 6: why I was doing it. It was almost like I was

737
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 6: doing it just to do it, and I knew, I

738
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 6: knew it's what I wanted to do. But just like

739
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 6: every kid, you know, everybody wants to be a you know,

740
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 6: they put their gloves on him, they they do a

741
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 6: few practice and then all of a sudden, I want

742
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 6: to be a fighter when I grow up. You know,

743
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 6: everybody says that shit, and I knew it more certainly

744
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 6: than that, but it was like I didn't know it

745
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 6: well enough to a visceral sense that I'm supposed to

746
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 6: be here, I'm supposed to be doing this, and here's

747
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 6: what you're capable of. And now I know that more

748
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 6: evidently than ever, but back then it was kind of

749
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 6: like I'm sure. I mean, we've all gone through it.

750
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 6: People kind of break through that at different points, but

751
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 6: it's like you're going in there, and you're almost going

752
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 6: in there like you're in a dream. It's like you

753
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 6: let your emotions run you, you let your anxiety run you.

754
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 6: And and I remember going in there and I was

755
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 6: still kind of one forty five and doing it poorly,

756
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 6: you know, to say the least. And I just went

757
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 6: in there like it was like a fog. I remember

758
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 6: telling myself, you know, the shit's gonna work out, always

759
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 6: does for you, And inwards was a real gamer, and

760
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 6: so I probably should have had a better mindset going in,

761
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 6: but it was a shot. It was a fight that

762
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 6: I just made silly mistakes. I did more damage, and

763
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 6: of all things, I lost just on like some petty

764
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 6: takedowns that I was just giving up just because my

765
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 6: heart was blowing out of my mouth in the first

766
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 6: thirty seconds, you know, And it was just just little

767
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 6: things like that that I had to get a grip on.

768
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 6: I started managing my I mean, now I'm a whole

769
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 6: different human being, Like I've evolved three thousands of me,

770
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 6: Like I can't even explain how my approach to life

771
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 6: my first everything's just so different. And so yeah, it

772
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 6: was one of those things. I just went out there

773
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 6: and I just didn't show up. I just did anything

774
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 6: even come cloth showing up. And I don't know if

775
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 6: Ever's did, but he did enough to get that split

776
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 6: decision on me. And that was like the most bitter.

777
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 6: I felt like my heart was broken. After that, I

778
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 6: felt like the love of my life just fucking slept

779
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 6: with a dude in front of me. It was like

780
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 6: the most devastating. I was in a hole. And I

781
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 6: remember watching the GSP documentary and it was after he

782
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 6: lost to Matt Sarah, and that like helped revitalize just

783
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 6: kind of like get my mind right. But I like

784
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 6: fell into a legitimate depression for a bit and I

785
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: was so upset over it. And now it doesn't mean

786
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 6: anything to me. I mean, obviously having a little blemish

787
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 6: there isn't nice. But I just don't think about it.

788
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 6: But yeah, I definitely it was a huge It was

789
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 6: a huge learning lesson, just like this mercy A fight was.

790
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 6: It's just a lot to just just intel. You just

791
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 6: take you just take information, you profess it and you

792
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 6: get on the right perspective.

793
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't.

794
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 4: You don't think about the Emers fight until dickheads like

795
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: me bring it up five and a half years later.

796
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, until you nostalgic petty and bring it up. Yeah, yeah,

797
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 6: you know, I bring it up.

798
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, I bring it up because when I

799
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: looked today, I thought you were undefeated, to be honest

800
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 4: with you, because you carry yourself certainly like an undefeated.

801
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 4: I thought you were undefeated, and so I found that.

802
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: But you're such a young man. The five and a

803
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 4: half years is a huge segment of your entire life,

804
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: not just your professional life. And you've won eight in

805
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: a row since, and I gotta say, man, before we

806
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: let you go, you know, I don't know that the

807
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: promotion could pay you any greater compliment than to have

808
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: you in this fight with Seroni as the featured prelim

809
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: on ESPN TV before we go to ESPN Plus. Congrats

810
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 4: on a huge slot and a huge opportunity, and you know,

811
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: we all think you deserve it.

812
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 6: Man, Man, I've should have so much. It means it

813
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 6: means the world coming from you guys also seriously, and

814
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 6: and I'm so grateful for It's a huge opportunity. And

815
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 6: I'm certainly not overlooking that. You know, I talk my ship.

816
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 6: I don't talk it in the sense of, you know,

817
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 6: fuck your mother talking. I'm talking like, hey, you're just

818
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 6: having to be the poor match. That's a cross from me,

819
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 6: and I'm gonna have to kill you because that's what

820
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 6: I do talk. I talk for a source of abundant confidence.

821
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 6: It's not it's not of like just petty talk. And

822
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 6: so when I say that, I don't want anyone to

823
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 6: over overlook the fact that I am extraordinarily grateful for

824
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 6: this opportunity. They could have given that to freaking anybody,

825
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 6: and I'm I can't, I can't be more fortunate. You're right,

826
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 6: And I'm not even looking for my manager, God blessed,

827
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 6: I love him to death. You know, He's like, oh,

828
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 6: we should try to get more for it. I'm like,

829
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 6: we don't need the money. The money will come. I'm

830
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 6: just blessed if we got this opportunity. I'll go out

831
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 6: there merch Sarni and then we'll talk about paychecks after that.

832
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 6: But I'm not I'm just so so happy that I

833
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 6: was the one that was picked for this opportunity. I'm

834
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 6: gonnakeep doing my damn thing to show why I need

835
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 6: the next one after. So it's a great desition to

836
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 6: be in going in twenty nineteen.

837
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: Jason, that dude, I love the confidence, man.

838
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 6: Good luck, thank you, thank you.

839
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: All right.

840
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 4: Alexander Hernandez faces Donald Troni January nineteenth in Brooklyn, New York.

841
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: You can see the fight live on ESPN. Appreciate your time, man.

842
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: We can't wait to see it, and I'll see in

843
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 4: a few weeks in Brooklyn.

844
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 6: Man, all right, look forward to there.

845
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 4: He is Alexander Hernandez with us here on the Anak

846
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: and Florian podcast. You know, he's what the He's like

847
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 4: the opposite of what Jimmy Smith would call the happy

848
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: to be Here's right. He is the exact opposite of

849
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 4: guys who are just happy to get to the UFC

850
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: and have a fight.

851
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: Maybe see how far they can take it. This guy's

852
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: hell bent on being champion.

853
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: His whole life revolves around that he's super educated, had

854
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 4: a great professional career outside of fighting that he could have,

855
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: you know, or could fall back on. I should say,

856
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: but I think he has has star power written all

857
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: over him. I mean, you listen to him, an educated guy,

858
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 4: I mean just could be a potential star and has

859
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: a great chance to sort of X. But that process

860
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 4: against Donald Cerroni at January nineteenth in Brooklyn, A right

861
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: back to UFC two thirty two, I think we were

862
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 4: talking about Jones and Cormier and all of that stuff,

863
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 4: and I don't know. I guess in this era of

864
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: two division champions, right and seeing essentially the number of

865
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: two division UFC champions double over the last several years,

866
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 4: I thought maybe that would appeal to John Jones, Right,

867
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: But to your point, staying in the weight class that

868
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: he's done his best work. Obviously, his legacy is entrenched

869
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: already is the greatest of all time. I'm not sure

870
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: he necessarily needs to join that list of two division

871
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: champions in the immediate future. So he's in a position

872
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 4: to call his shot, and I guess for DC that's

873
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 4: the tough part, Kenny right, because DC defended the belt

874
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 4: that is around John Jones's waist in twenty eighteen, and

875
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: now he as a guy who has answered every call

876
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: from the UFC, saved UFC two thirty. I know he

877
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: made a lot of money to do that, but you

878
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: know he's now not even a position, you know, to

879
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 4: call his shot the simultaneous two division.

880
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: Champion, right.

881
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: He he probably has to move down to two oh

882
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: five to fight John right.

883
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 5: And that's the thing, you know, I think that's why

884
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 5: d C is kind of so upset about it. Listen,

885
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you know, John Jones

886
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 5: is the current champion at two hundred and five pounds.

887
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 5: He's a guy that you know, forget the Matt Hamill

888
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: fight that that doesn't really exist in my mind. Uh,

889
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 5: this is a guy who has remained undefeated. Yes, there's

890
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 5: some controversy around his name, there is no doubt about that.

891
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, people are very upset about it.

892
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 5: And if there was cheating, I would be a lot.

893
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 5: I would be very upset about it as well. And

894
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 5: you know, I get why d C has that attitude.

895
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 5: He also you got to look at d C side.

896
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 5: He had two belts at the at the same time

897
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 5: as well, and d C has done nothing but followed

898
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 5: all the rules. He has not screwed up. He's been

899
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 5: a great role model for the UFC, And here he

900
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 5: sees this guy that's screwing up up in John Jones,

901
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: and he's getting all the favors.

902
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: So I get it.

903
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 5: They're kind of pull the opposites, and I think that's

904
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 5: a lot of why. You know, they make for great matchups,

905
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 5: and they build up these fights so well. I think

906
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 5: they kind of have to meet one more time. I

907
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 5: just think it's something that's bound to happen. There's also

908
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 5: just too much money on the table, I think for

909
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 5: both of these guys. And then you look at the

910
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 5: other matchup potential matchups for John Jones at two hundred

911
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 5: and five pounds or for DC at heavyweight for that matter,

912
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 5: besides the brock Lesner fight, there's no other super fights

913
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 5: left for these guys. There's no other big money fights

914
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 5: left period. No offense to everyone else in the two

915
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 5: hundred five pound division or the heavyweight division, but you're

916
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 5: not gonna bring in the cheese that John Jones and

917
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 5: DC brings in when they fight each other period well.

918
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 4: And with respect to Anthony lyonheart Smith, who I was

919
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: happy to see on the desk next to you. You know,

920
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 4: if John Jones is mine eight hundred against Anthony lyonheart Smith,

921
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: you know you'd rather him be minus two fifty or

922
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: minus three twenty against Daniel Cormier and have on paper

923
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: what people perceive to be a more competitive fight. I

924
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: guess the only bell that DC didn't answer would have

925
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 4: been to save UFC two thirty three in Anaheim in January,

926
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: but that would have almost meant after he defended against

927
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: Derek Lewis, sort of having the foresight to stay in

928
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 4: shape and start cutting weight so as to be the

929
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 4: defending champion and to have fought John. But it seemed

930
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: like they wanted to strike with this Gustpson fight while

931
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: they could. Gus, even though it was six hundred days ago,

932
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 4: it was his signature win and best performance against Glover

933
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 4: to Shia, and I think it was maybe in some

934
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 4: respects the right time to strike with this rematch, even

935
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 4: though it didn't prove to be nearly as competitive as

936
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 4: the first fight. I was trying to use that as

937
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 4: a way to segue to Alexander Gustofson because now the

938
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: Ledger read zero and three and title fights Kenny, and

939
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: now when you know there was a groin injury and

940
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 4: but again inflicted by John Jones, who deserves all the credit.

941
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 4: But for Gus, I think this is pretty tough. You know,

942
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 4: he's a guy who's flirted with retirement way earlier in

943
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: his career. I think he felt like he was going

944
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 4: to present the best version and even before he got

945
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: injured Kenny, this was an underwhelming effort out of Alexander Gustafson.

946
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: You know, just didn't seem to have it.

947
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: And there are always two sides to every story, but

948
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: I think this has to be a particularly hard pill

949
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: to swallow for Gustafson in this third, maybe final shot

950
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 4: at light heavyweight.

951
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: I don't know, just didn't have anything for Johnny Bones. No,

952
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: he didn't.

953
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 5: And this is Augustufson that I thought was better from

954
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 5: the first time that they fought. You just couldn't see

955
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 5: it on fight night because John Jones was able to

956
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 5: neutralize everything that he wanted to do, and there were

957
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: some things that Gustson could have done better.

958
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 3: I didn't think he was fainting enough.

959
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 5: I didn't think he was throwing enough kicks against Jones,

960
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 5: but whatever it is.

961
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a tough situation for Gustuson.

962
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 5: And you know, my ledger also reads Ozero and three

963
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 5: in title fight, so I can relate to that. I

964
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 5: just don't see other challenges for Gustuson either. That makes

965
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 5: a lot of sense that we're he can go in

966
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: there and make a lot of money. Hopefully he did

967
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 5: make a lot of money in this fight against John Jones.

968
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: He had to deal with.

969
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 5: A lot and you have to credit this Swedish warrior

970
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 5: for even taking this fight. I don't think there were

971
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 5: a lot of guys who would have taken this fight

972
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 5: given the circumstances. So while John Jones had to deal

973
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 5: with a lot of bullshit, Gusison kind of had to

974
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 5: as well because of that chaos that kind.

975
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: Of followed John Jones.

976
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 5: So a huge credit to Gususen for even taking this

977
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 5: and dealing with all the punches that he was dealing

978
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 5: with outside of the octagon. But you know, I would

979
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 5: expect him to retire, not because he's this washed up fighter,

980
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 5: but just the circumstances of where he's at in his

981
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 5: career at this point.

982
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: And you mentioned a lot of the things that he

983
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: had to deal with.

984
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 5: He was only taking about one fight a year, and

985
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 5: you know, I think hopefully he's been smart with his money.

986
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 5: He can retire, you know, to his family in Sweden

987
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 5: and be secure about that. He's been a tremendous fighter

988
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 5: and I wish him the absolute best.

989
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 4: I actually have you here, Kenny, as two and one

990
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: in UFC title fights. My scorecards had you beating both

991
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: Sean Shirk and Josey Aldos So two and one for me.

992
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 5: There you go. See, just showed it out. Thanks brother,

993
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. I'll give you that money later.

994
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 4: So there were so many ways in which, excuse me,

995
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 4: we could have led the show today. Alexander Volkanowsky would

996
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 4: have been a great way to lead the show.

997
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 3: How about that fucking guy, Ken Floating.

998
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 4: I mean, as you know, former rugby league player who

999
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: competed in the rugby league as a front rower at

1000
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 4: two hundred and fourteen pounds, A very disciplined athlete. He

1001
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: put his whole life on hold, left a career as

1002
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 4: a professional athlete to pursue this UFC dream. A lot

1003
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: of people in his ear being like, dude, what are

1004
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 4: you doing? And he showed you Saturday night exactly what

1005
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 4: the fuck he's doing. He calls out the number five

1006
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 4: guy in the world and absorbs some big shots from

1007
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 4: Chad Mendez. You know, eate them all like a grinder

1008
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 4: and huge win for goal Volkanovsky. As far as I'm concerned,

1009
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: you know, I'd love to see him fight Max Holloway.

1010
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 4: That might not be next, but that's a fight that

1011
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: certainly what's my appetite.

1012
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 5: I believe you retweeted it. I think that's how I

1013
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 5: saw it on Twitter. But you know, someone mentioned that

1014
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 5: they heard you on the broadcast mentioned his rugby career,

1015
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 5: and they found a couple of pictures of this dude.

1016
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 5: How about trying to tackle that rhino with the ball

1017
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 5: in Australia. My goodness, he looked like an absolute beast,

1018
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 5: and he looked like a beast on Saturday night against

1019
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 5: Chad Mendes. Now, I thought Mendes was really controlling that fight.

1020
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: He was winning the exchanges, he was taking him down repeatedly.

1021
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 5: The difference was this is that every time Mendez looked

1022
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 5: up to see if Volkanovsky was still there, he was,

1023
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 5: And not only was he right in front of him,

1024
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 5: he was backing him up, and I think that really

1025
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 5: messed with Mendes's mind. I don't think I think Mendes

1026
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 5: expected him to just cower and go home. Volkanovsky's chin,

1027
00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 5: his determination, his conditioning was just a thing of beauty.

1028
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 3: Man.

1029
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 5: This guy is an absolute beast, and he just kept

1030
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 5: pressing forward.

1031
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1032
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 5: Mendez ate some big shots at the end and just crumbled.

1033
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 5: And for Chad Mendez, who is now retired and I

1034
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 5: wish him the best, I think the difference was here

1035
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 5: in this fight was Mendes was great at being the hammer,

1036
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 5: but when it was time to be the nail, he

1037
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 5: just couldn't handle it. Volkanowski could be both the nail

1038
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 5: and the hammer, and just a tremendous performance from him, man,

1039
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 5: and I agree. I think he's a tough matchup for Halloway,

1040
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 5: or let's say this, he's an interesting matchup for Holloway

1041
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 5: because Halloway hasn't faced a lot of high level wrestlers,

1042
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 5: pressure fighters like a Volkanowski, like a Frankie Edgar, like

1043
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 5: a Chad Mendez. Now, obviously, Volkanovsky, after beating Mendez, puts

1044
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 5: himself right at the front of the pack to maybe

1045
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: challenge Holloway and have that interesting style in a very

1046
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 5: good championship.

1047
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: Fight, right.

1048
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 4: I mean you think about the way Alexander Volkanovsky's win

1049
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 4: over Chad would resonate juxtaposed against Frankie Edgar's win against

1050
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: Cubb Swanson, right, and you can understand why sometimes in

1051
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 4: certain situations that might result in Volkanovsky leap frogging Edgar.

1052
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, the conversation I think is going to come

1053
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: down to Frankie Edgar, Hanato Moykano, if Holloway, of course

1054
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 4: stays at forty five, and Alexander Volkanovsky after what he

1055
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: did this weekend, you have a big fight with Jeremy

1056
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 4: Stevens ends up beating Mago med Sharipov coming up, So

1057
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 4: maybe Zabet could be expedited if he wins that fight.

1058
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 4: But I think it's going to come out of that

1059
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: troika Edgar, Moykano and Alexander Volkanovsky. By the way, we

1060
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 4: need to get some some archives of Ken Flow from

1061
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 4: playing midfield for Boston College. Wasn't that thick, but I

1062
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 4: would imagine a little thicker than one hundred and fifty

1063
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 4: five pounds and quickly on Chad money Mendez, who I

1064
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 4: guess has retired.

1065
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: You know, I kind of would like to see him. Maybe.

1066
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 4: I still feel like, right one more training camp to

1067
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 4: go out with a win. There's so many guys in

1068
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 4: this top ten that he would just melt. I also

1069
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 4: just want to say, in case he's listening, that my

1070
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 4: single favorite fight in UFC history UFC one seventy nine,

1071
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: October twenty fifth, twenty fourteen, one week after Kenny Florian

1072
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 4: got married, by the way, because I remember I went

1073
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 4: from South Carolina to Connecticut to another wedding and I

1074
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 4: was hammered watching Mendez Aldo two on a cell phone.

1075
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 4: And perhaps it's my favorite fight in UFC history because

1076
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: I was essentially browning out at the wedding right but too, I.

1077
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: Had the greatest dude. It was amazing. I had a

1078
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 3: reservation for dinner.

1079
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 5: I was on my honeymoon in Bora, Bora, and I'm

1080
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 5: telling my wife just hold on that we have one

1081
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 5: more round. And I was literally watching that fight against Aldo,

1082
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 5: the rematch, and it was one of the most insane

1083
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 5: title fights that I've ever seen, and Mendes and Aldo

1084
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 5: just went at it.

1085
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, I agree, it was It was sick.

1086
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 4: That is my favorite fight in UFC history with respect

1087
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 4: to you know, Hendo and showgun h and Jones and

1088
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 4: Gustafson and anything else. At least for me, that one

1089
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 4: still takes the cake, all right. A couple other things

1090
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 4: on UFC two thirty two, Michael kiesa big win by

1091
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 4: Kimura one armed kimorra at that against Carlos Kndit, who

1092
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 4: has now lost five in a row. And man, you

1093
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 4: got a feel for the natural Born Killer. I felt

1094
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 4: like he was in a good mental space for the

1095
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 4: first time in a while going into this one. And

1096
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: Kis obviously moved up with style points. Also had a

1097
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: big win by Corey Anderson against Dalier Latifi and then

1098
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 4: Ryan Hall. And if we want to circle back to

1099
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 4: Kis the time permitting, we can, but Ryan Hall heal

1100
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: hooks bj penn first submission loss in the MMA career Bjpen,

1101
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 4: which dates to his UFC debut back in the early

1102
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: two thousands. But dude, this is just something that no

1103
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 4: one is better equipped to talk about than you. As

1104
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: some of our listeners may know, Kenny was supposed to

1105
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 4: be in Ryan Hall's corner, but when this card got

1106
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: moved from Vegas to La the show the pre Fight Show.

1107
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 3: The post fight show.

1108
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 4: Got moved from the venue on remote to the studio,

1109
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 4: so Ken Flow was working in studio. You didn't get

1110
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 4: a chance to corner Ryan Hall for potentially the submission

1111
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 4: of the year.

1112
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: So I felt for you.

1113
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I want it very badly for you

1114
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 4: to be there, but uh, you kind of texted me, h,

1115
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 4: he'll do just fine without me, and yeah, I guess

1116
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 4: he did.

1117
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 3: He did. Indeed. I mean, listen, Ryan Hall. He's a

1118
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: special fighter.

1119
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 5: And yeah, I see it in Alex Hernandez, you see

1120
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 5: it in John Jones. Everyone talks about, you know, the

1121
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 5: physical ability of a fighter. Oh man, this guy's got

1122
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 5: tremendous size. He's very fast, he's powerful. This is the

1123
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 5: guy that I want to train. I don't look for

1124
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 5: that stuff. I look for the mind of a fighter

1125
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 5: and how how he composed himself, his maturity, what his

1126
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 5: seriousness is, and how we've used his profession. And let's

1127
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 5: put it this way, Ryan and Ryan Hall and I

1128
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 5: we trained yesterday.

1129
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: Okay, Like that's who he is.

1130
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 5: He's only happy when he's in training camp, and he's

1131
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 5: only happy when he's training.

1132
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: And even though he was away for a couple of years.

1133
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 5: He was training every single day and you know, no

1134
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 5: one puts in more time than this guy and training

1135
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 5: with him. I've trained with a lot of great juji

1136
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 5: to practitioners, world champions, all this stuff. No one epitomizes

1137
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu more than Ryan Hall. He's an absolute wizard.

1138
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 5: And the fact that he was able to submit BJ

1139
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 5: Penn for the first time. You could say what you

1140
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 5: want about BJ. Yes he's older, but at the end

1141
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 5: of the day, you know he didn't lose his jiu

1142
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 5: jitsu skills okay.

1143
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 3: And I thought he was looking good in that fight.

1144
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 5: He had dedicated three months of his life of living

1145
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 5: in Brazil, training every single day with all the great

1146
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu practitioners and strikers at Novunyao, and Ryan Hall

1147
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 5: still got it done in the first round by one

1148
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 5: of the craziest submissions you will ever see. Now, I've

1149
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 5: seen him do that thing probably a thousand times in

1150
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 5: the last couple of years.

1151
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: He's made modifications in the last year or so to it.

1152
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 5: But man, the fact that he was able to pull

1153
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 5: that off against a Brazilian jiu jitsu world champion and

1154
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: mixed martial arts legend in Bjpenn. That's one of the

1155
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 5: best submissions you'll ever see, period, period. And you know

1156
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 5: people say, well, yeah, he's older, and you know he

1157
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 5: got caught. I don't care who you are if he

1158
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 5: catches you in that submission, you're tapping. It was just

1159
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 5: in too deep, it was too fast, and yes bj

1160
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 5: did roll the wrong way, but even if he didn't,

1161
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 5: it was just too locked in.

1162
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 3: He would have been in trouble.

1163
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 5: You don't have a lot of time when you're an

1164
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 5: inside heel hook like that. So it was just brilliant

1165
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 5: stuff from Ryan Hall, who continues to improve and continues

1166
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 5: to impress.

1167
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: So Ryan Hall considers you to be a Brazilian Jiu

1168
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 4: Jitsu in MMA pioneer, which you very much are. And

1169
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: you weren't necessarily known as a leg specialist, but you

1170
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 4: know your bread and butter, And I've talked to Ryan

1171
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 4: about this. You know, you were the king of knocking

1172
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 4: guys down on the feet and then systematically choking them unconscious. Right,

1173
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: one of the best rear naked choke application artists in

1174
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 4: UFC history. And I think you and Ryan obviously connect

1175
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 4: on a very deep level when it comes to all

1176
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 4: of that stuff.

1177
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: Way above my head.

1178
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 4: But you know, personally, I was just disappointed to not

1179
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 4: have you in the corner, but happy that he wanted

1180
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: he got the bonus. He doesn't necessarily have these championship aspirations, right,

1181
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: all he cares about, essentially, I shouldn't say all he

1182
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: cares about, right, he would love to be the champion

1183
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 4: and challenge top five guys. I understand all of that, right,

1184
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 4: but it doesn't dominate his life. He's a very busy man.

1185
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 4: He wants to train all of the time, and ranked

1186
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 4: fighters Dennis Bermudez and Hikardo Lamas or Ricardo Loamas, I

1187
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 4: should say, have turned him down, right, So when he

1188
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 4: has accepted fights against guys that could get him on

1189
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 4: a good featherweight championship type trajectory, those fights haven't been accepted,

1190
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 4: and Kenny, I understand why, right, Like if I'm Riccardo Lamas,

1191
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 4: who's a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt in his own right,

1192
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 4: you know a guy who's hopping in the butt scoop position,

1193
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 4: and I know Ryan has gifts on the feet that

1194
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: we haven't seen, and he'll be very dangerous when those

1195
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 4: need to be used in a more challenging fight.

1196
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: Going forward.

1197
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 4: But I just think a lot of these guys in

1198
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 4: the top ten Kenny are going to turn him down

1199
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: because even though, as Rogan said, you know, he lets go,

1200
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, who'sa mar Polaris. I'd rather get knocked the

1201
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 4: fuck out than have my leg turned into a pretzel thing.

1202
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: Man.

1203
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 5: I mean, and now, I forget who asked the question.

1204
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 5: Someone asked Dana at a press conference. He said, you know,

1205
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 5: Ryan can't get any fights, right, and Dana's like, he

1206
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 5: can get fights in the UFC. There's no doubt about

1207
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 5: it that that wasn't the way to ask Dana the question.

1208
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 5: Because Ryan wants excellent fighters, he wants ranked fighters, he

1209
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 5: wants challenges, he wants guys that he feels that, Man,

1210
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 5: I don't know if I could beat that guy that

1211
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 5: seems interesting, that's the guy I want to fight. So

1212
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 5: he likes interesting challenges first and foremost, and he wants

1213
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 5: difficult challenges, and he doesn't want to just fight anyone.

1214
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 5: He wants to fight the best guys, and a lot

1215
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 5: of the best guys are turning him down. And I

1216
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 5: get it. You know, he's not in the top fifteen

1217
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 5: or top ten right now. But I guarantee you. I

1218
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 5: guarantee you. There's not one person at one hundred and

1219
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 5: forty five pounds that Ryan Hall cannot beat. And what's

1220
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 5: scary is when you go, well, I can fight him.

1221
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 5: But what's what's scary is the fact that I might

1222
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 5: not be the same after that fight. If you get

1223
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 5: a guy like a Mike type who might hit you

1224
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 5: so hard, you might not be the same. Ryan Hall

1225
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 5: has that ability with his leg lock game, where you

1226
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 5: might not be the same fighter after. You might not

1227
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 5: be walking the same, you might not be able to

1228
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 5: kick the same way because he's going to tear your

1229
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 5: knee in half.

1230
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: Right, that's just And again.

1231
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 5: I don't want to name names or anything, like I've

1232
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 5: seen Ryan Hall trained with a lot of great Brazilian

1233
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 5: jujitsu practitioners, amazing jujitsu practitioners, guys that people look up to.

1234
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 5: And Ryan takes care of business. Let's just put it

1235
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 5: that way on the mat, and he makes it look easy.

1236
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 5: And there's just not a whole lot of guys that

1237
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 5: want to fight him for that reason. Yeah, I'm glad

1238
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 5: you set that up that way. I mean, Jesus fucking

1239
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 5: Christ can flow. It's amazing it's the way contenders aren't aren't.

1240
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 4: I hope these Featherway contenders aren't listening to the Anak

1241
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 4: and Florian podcast, but it is. There's a lot of

1242
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 4: truth in there, you know. The only thing I will say,

1243
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: and maybe this is me sort of playing the other

1244
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 4: side of it, you know, I say this respectfully, but

1245
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 4: Ryan doesn't really care about having a big fan base, right,

1246
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 4: so being selective about choosing your fights isn't going to

1247
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 4: endear him to the mash necessarily, right. But I do think, right,

1248
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 4: you get enough wins, or you know, get one signature win,

1249
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 4: you know, then people aren't gonna be able to turn

1250
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 4: him down because he's going to have a number next

1251
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: to his name and they're gonna have to take that fight.

1252
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

1253
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 4: I think I'm more impatient than he is, right in

1254
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 4: terms of spinning this thing forward. Because lost his pro

1255
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 4: debut in two thousand and six, and now in twelve

1256
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 4: years he's had seven fights. He's won all of them,

1257
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: oftentimes in devastating fashion. I'd like to see just how

1258
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 4: far he can take this thing. You know, yeah, absolutely,

1259
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 4: I could totally. I can totally understand that.

1260
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 5: And that's one thing you know, for Ryan he gets

1261
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 5: as well, but he does have a very specific game

1262
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 5: plan for himself in path and trajectory. He also trains

1263
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 5: other fighters and coaches jiu jitsu, so he's busy on

1264
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 5: that end, and he has other plans and he knows

1265
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 5: exactly what steps to take in his career. He's very

1266
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 5: adamant about that, and you know only wants those big

1267
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 5: time challenges and I hope he gets them. And I

1268
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 5: think this was a great performance for him against a

1269
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 5: guy who has accomplished a lot both in jiu jitsu

1270
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 5: and mixed martial arts and Bjpenn, a true legend of

1271
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 5: the game who I hope you know, retires. And I

1272
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 5: agree with Dana White, he has nothing to prove, man,

1273
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 5: He's done it all on this sport. You have done

1274
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 5: it all. A lot of people have learned so much

1275
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 5: from what you've done, myself included, and I think his

1276
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 5: legacy deserves more credit.

1277
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 4: I love bjpen Man, I really do. I've developed a

1278
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 4: friendship with him. You know, he's been omnipresident at these

1279
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: UFC events all year, hanging out with Jason Pirillo until,

1280
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 4: as you said, devoting the last three months of his

1281
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 4: life to going to Brazil and training hard, and he

1282
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 4: was in shape and back at fifty five. I love

1283
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 4: Bjpenn and I think maybe that will be the last

1284
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 4: time we see him. We'll just have to see. Maybe

1285
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 4: he was hanging on for a UFC show in Hawaii.

1286
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 4: A lot of people have speculated that was the case.

1287
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 4: All right, last thing, I want to bring up Corey

1288
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 4: Anderson's win over Elier Latifi in sort of a greater context.

1289
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 4: I'm happy for Corey because after getting knocked out Devis

1290
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Speaker 4: datingly back to back, he's won three consecutive fights and

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Speaker 4: Andre Rolovsky right, was a guy who was left for

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Speaker 4: dead in twenty eleven Kenny, and now he's had I

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Speaker 4: think five straight fights go the full fifteen minutes at heavyweight. Right,

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Speaker 4: he's fought an hour straight at heavyweight without getting knocked out.

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Speaker 4: Corey Anderson absorbed some big shots from Ali Latifi this weekend.

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Speaker 4: I know he dominated the fight, but I bring it

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Speaker 4: up in the context of these guys either getting their

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Speaker 4: chin back or us burying them too early when it

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Speaker 4: comes to calling them chinny. I know there's a lot

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Speaker 4: that goes into it in terms of hydration and everything else,

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Speaker 4: but you know, to see Corey Anderson eat some big

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Speaker 4: shots that two fights. It didn't seem like he could

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Speaker 4: eat them a couple fights ago. Can you lend any

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Speaker 4: insight as to you know, why the chin seems to

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00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 4: really be there some nights and other times even if

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00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 4: it's the perfect angle. I mean, guys get touched with

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00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: you know, a twenty five percenter and they're out cold.

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, great analysis, you know by you

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Speaker 5: an excellent precision on both of those.

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Speaker 3: That's the story of both of those guys.

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Speaker 5: Right for Arlovsky, you know, everyone said, well his chin

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00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 5: isn't the same, and you know, and that was one

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Speaker 5: of the things for me against Walt Harris. Well why

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Speaker 5: I went with Walt again, I said, I don't know

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Speaker 5: if Oarloski can take one of those shots.

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Speaker 3: Well he can, and he's gone the distance.

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Speaker 5: And it was the same thing for Cory Anderson against

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Speaker 5: ALiR Latifi, who landed a lot of big shots. Anderson

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Speaker 5: won that fight, but Latifi probably landed the more memorable

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Speaker 5: exchanges and combinations in that fight against Anderson, and his

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00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 5: chin held up just fine. So that was really good

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Speaker 5: to see. I thought Corey was just had a better

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00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 5: overall attack. He had more weapons that he was using.

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00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 5: It was Latifi who was just looking for that blitz

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00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 5: repeatedly in that fight. He wasn't active enough in between

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00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 5: those exchanges. It was like he had three blitzes around

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00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 5: and that was it. Latifi. I don't know if his

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00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 5: conditioning or whatever, he's putting too much into those combinations.

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00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 5: But it was Corey Anderson who was just more mature,

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Speaker 5: more patient in his performance and that's why he won.

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00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 5: And for our Losky, yes he did lose against a

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00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 5: much younger and more dangerous perhaps Walt Harris.

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Speaker 3: He did look okay.

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Speaker 5: You know, it was awesome to see Arloski go out there,

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Speaker 5: hang in there and make it a few competitive fights

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00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 5: now in a row in the UFC. It's amazing that

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00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 5: this guy has been competing for so long and at

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Speaker 5: an elite level. Arloski is one of the nice guys

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00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 5: in this sport as well. So that was awesome to see.

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Speaker 4: Man forty six pro fights for Andre Rolovsky. And I'll

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Speaker 4: also say two on Corey Anderson. I've always said, if

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Speaker 4: I was a pro fighter, the last guy I want

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00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 4: to want to draw is the conditioned guy.

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: Right, I'll take the knockout artists.

1345
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 4: You know that I don't want to draw the most

1346
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 4: conditioned guy in the division, right because Corey Anderson is

1347
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 4: just always there. Yeah, you got to separated from consciousness,

1348
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 4: as two of his now past five opponents have been

1349
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 4: able to do.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we got to get out of here.

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 4: That is it for the week, and that means our

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00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 4: last show is a member of the Fox Sports family.

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Speaker 3: Folks.

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Speaker 4: I know, Ken Flow, you experienced the goodbyes on the

1355
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 4: TV side, but this is it for us on the

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00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 4: Anakin and Florian podcast here on Fox Sports and on

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00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: YouTube on the Fox Sports channel. So, Kenny and I

1358
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 4: we've had six years on the TV side with Fox,

1359
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 4: now one year I think more with our podcast, a

1360
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 4: lot of life experience, a lot of ours, a lot

1361
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 4: of relationships developed, a lot of people we want to

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01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 4: thank today.

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01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: So I'm going to try to do this as fast

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01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: as possible.

1365
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 4: Interrupt me at any time, and really at the core

1366
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 4: of this Fox UFC relationship for me, you know, there

1367
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 4: are a lot of people on the Fox TV side,

1368
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 4: in particular that knew nothing about mixed martial arts in

1369
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 4: twenty eleven when the ink dried on these contracts, and

1370
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 4: now these people are like you and me, Kenny. They're

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01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 4: gonna buy every UFC pay per view for as long

1372
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 4: as they live, and now having mma sort of ripped

1373
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 4: out of their professional lives is a very hard thing.

1374
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 3: So we love all of these people.

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01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 4: These thank yous in no particular order, but I guess

1376
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 4: you got to start somewhere, So thank you to the

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01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 4: great Steve Becker, of course, Sonny Salberg, RJ. Clifford, our

1378
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: stage manager, Johnny. I'm gonna miss seeing that guy. He's

1379
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 4: the fucking man. Kelly Dixon, Donovan, tar Lea, Mondia, Denise Daniels,

1380
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 4: Johnny Checcha, Telly who listens to this show, and we

1381
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 4: appreciate that. Our amazing stylist Victoria Trilling, the entire wardrobe

1382
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 4: and makeup department, Gala and everybody else who painted Ken

1383
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 4: flows face one hundred of thousand.

1384
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: It's a big job. It's a big job. Yeah, big

1385
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: fucking job. Peyton Kent Flows face.

1386
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 4: Eric Shanks, who deserves so much credit for taking this

1387
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 4: UFC plunge, leading the charge. John Ans for all his support,

1388
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 4: really encouraged me when I got that college football opportunity

1389
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 4: a few years ago. Jacob Allman, Kurt Menafie, who has

1390
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 4: been on this show before, whom I consider now very

1391
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 4: good friends. Certainly gonna miss seeing Kurt five times a

1392
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 4: year on the road. Bill Richards probably should have been

1393
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 4: higher on this list. We love you, Bill thought he

1394
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 4: seamlessly took the reins from George Greenberg a few years

1395
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 4: ago and really was a guy Kenny that I enjoyed

1396
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 4: working with. Thanks to George, of course, our director Kerry

1397
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 4: John Stealfer, our pr go getter listener to this podcast.

1398
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 4: Actually Steffer's listened to this show since episode one, so

1399
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 4: he deserves like eight seconds. Thank you, John, The entire

1400
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 4: TV studio team, camera operators, graphic folks, a lot of

1401
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 4: good eggs in there, Kenny. I know you know them

1402
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 4: all by face and by name, so thank you to

1403
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 4: every last one of them. And then, last but not least,

1404
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 4: our amazing Anakin florya podcast producers, Janko, your support of

1405
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 4: this show has meant a lot. Obviously, Ben with Sorik

1406
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 4: has been my right hand man on the show for

1407
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 4: a year plus. He has made my life so much

1408
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 4: easier in so many respects. As a radio or podcast host,

1409
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 4: you're nothing without a good producer, and Ben has handled

1410
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 4: a lot for us logistically, and hopefully Ben can continue

1411
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 4: to help us in some capacity under the table. Sorry Fox,

1412
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 4: Danny may not gonna miss here and her count us

1413
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 4: on the air. Jeff Williams, John Hill, love you guys,

1414
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 4: Neil Foley, Peter Murphy for his interest in the show,

1415
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 4: his role in making us a part of the Fox family.

1416
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 3: Kenny Kenny, who'd I leave out?

1417
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 4: Kid?

1418
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: I gotta have left out somebody? No, who do we

1419
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: leave out? Guys? Good? Danielle, Danielle? Yeah, Danny yeah, yeah?

1420
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 3: Andanny got a shout out.

1421
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 5: Danny did get a shout Okay, good because you always

1422
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 5: forget about.

1423
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 3: Her, you know, you don't forget about her? Man messed up,

1424
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 3: It's messed up. No, well, it's been.

1425
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 5: An amazing run, man, And uh, you know, just from

1426
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 5: this podcast and of course everything we did on on

1427
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 5: Fox Television, they really portrayed the sport with the utmost

1428
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 5: class and professionalism and obviously just working with these guys,

1429
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 5: they just made everything so easy for us and I

1430
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 5: can't thank everyone enough.

1431
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 4: Ken Flow and I cut our TV teeth at ESPN,

1432
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 4: so we were putting our suits on in toilet stalls, right,

1433
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 4: Fox Man, they'd treating you like fucking gold.

1434
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 3: But we appreciate every step of the way.

1435
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 4: Thank you all, and hopefully, as far as the Anakin

1436
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 4: Floring Podcast is concerned, we will find a new home

1437
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 4: soon and soon, I should say, and at least retain

1438
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 4: some of you as listeners. At the very least, maybe

1439
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 4: we'll do like Wissourix picks to click or something in

1440
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, just so he's not out of the mix completely.

1441
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 4: We'll see ken Flow Happy New Year kid, he's staying

1442
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 4: on the on the West coast.

1443
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 3: Or what I am? Happy New Year to you as well, man.

1444
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, no crazy plans or anything, but we'll see if

1445
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 5: old keV Flow will stay up till midnight.

1446
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. Oh, I was just gonna say, over

1447
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 3: what's the over under Annick?

1448
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 4: Oh No, I would bet that you'll be fast asleep

1449
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 4: by midnight Pacific.

1450
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 3: You're out like fucking light. I know, I know, I

1451
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: will I mean and I and.

1452
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 4: What the worst admission is that I will be asleep

1453
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 4: by six pm Pacific nine pm Eastern.

1454
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm done. This is one of the worst kid here.

1455
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 4: If you if you have children or dogs, July fourth

1456
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 4: and New Year's Eve or some of the worst nights

1457
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 4: of your year. I will have four white noise machines going,

1458
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 4: praying that my baby doesn't get woken up, you know,

1459
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 4: and anyone in Boca Raton, Florida law enforcement? Can we

1460
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 4: shut this thing down a little bit early tonight? Can

1461
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 4: we not do fireworks till two am?

1462
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 5: We're officially all now, dude it it's over all right.

1463
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: We got to get out of here. We will be

1464
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 4: dark next week. Hoping to have some news soon on

1465
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 4: a new podcast home for us. With that, we wish

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01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 4: you all a happy twenty nineteen. Thank you all for listening,

1467
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 4: for watching, and we hope to talk to all of

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 4: you again soon. Until then, yo later.

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