WEBVTT - Week 5

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<v Speaker 1>And now here are your hosts, Rob King, Craig Wolfley,

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt Williamson.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks everybody for being with us for the Point

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<v Speaker 2>After on the Steelers Audio Network. We're so gloomy and

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<v Speaker 2>so down that we needed somebody to pick us up.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're also joined today by Max Starks, who could

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<v Speaker 2>I think actually physically pick us all up at one time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, definitely in the past in the past. You

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<v Speaker 3>know what I can do now, I can carry the wheelbarrow.

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<v Speaker 3>I can just put you in there. That's my closest

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<v Speaker 3>to picking up now.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that would be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd like that because we all need to be lifted

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<v Speaker 2>up after this loss to the Dallas Cowboys. Our first

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<v Speaker 2>reaction is brought to you by First National Bank. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>get started member fdi C.

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<v Speaker 4>So full disclosure.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on This Morning with Max, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>on This Morning with Wolf, and I've also listened to

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Williamson's podcast. So but I have not heard from

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Williamson in person. So Matt, why don't you start

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<v Speaker 2>us off with your impressions your first reaction on what

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<v Speaker 2>you saw last night?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, if we want to put a Rosie spin on it,

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<v Speaker 5>you didn't play close to your best game as a team,

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<v Speaker 5>and you were still in it to the absolute final play.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's something to be said for that. But

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<v Speaker 5>relying on massive, timely splash plays on defense is a really,

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<v Speaker 5>really tough way to live in this league. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>red zone turnovers, block kicks, things of that nature. And

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<v Speaker 5>for the second week in a row, you know, Robin,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, you and I do a lot of prep

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<v Speaker 5>for these they not that these guys don't, but I

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<v Speaker 5>dig into these teams so much the opponent that for

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<v Speaker 5>the second week in a row, I kind of thought, man,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't see an obvious path where the Colts or

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<v Speaker 5>Cowboys could get the better of the Steelers.

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<v Speaker 6>And for two weeks in a row now they have.

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<v Speaker 7>That's where the statistics just drive you crazy, right right,

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<v Speaker 7>you can't get too.

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<v Speaker 6>Any you know, there's you know beings.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's that's that's why they played the game. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the other thing, Matt, that I was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this morning that I found a little more disturbing

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<v Speaker 2>about this loss was I thought I could have isolated

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of plays against the Colts that just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go this to other's way, just kind of dumb luck,

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<v Speaker 2>bad things happening, fumbles, bounce the type here and there, interception,

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<v Speaker 2>any one of not eight plays that turned the game,

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<v Speaker 2>any one of eight plays that could have turned the

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<v Speaker 2>game in the students favor where it didn't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the Colts would be walking off the field saying that

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<v Speaker 2>at all. I think the Cowboys or the team walking

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<v Speaker 2>off this field saying, man, we let it. We left

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<v Speaker 2>a lot out there. This game could have gotten lopsided

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<v Speaker 2>if they had, you know, not turned the ball over

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<v Speaker 2>the red zone, not had a field goal block. This

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<v Speaker 2>feels different to me than the Colts loss. This feels like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, now, we might need to regroup a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, because that was not a good way to

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<v Speaker 2>go out.

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<v Speaker 6>One hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 5>I like the way you phrased that, because you know,

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<v Speaker 5>on offense you had plays to be made downfield that

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<v Speaker 5>you missed. It wasn't dallasted something to make you screw

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<v Speaker 5>up a long completion, not one run over ten yards

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<v Speaker 5>the entire day, you know, in the running game. And

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<v Speaker 5>the O line is a work in progress, to be kind.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I don't frankly understand the usage of George Pickens.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, when there was two wide receivers on the field,

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<v Speaker 5>he only got one snap in those personnel groupings. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>it makes it too easy to play against. They're short

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<v Speaker 5>on playmakers right now. But I might blame the defense

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<v Speaker 5>more than the offense. I mean they picked a part

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<v Speaker 5>the Steelers defense with very little resistance once again, and

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<v Speaker 5>I just didn't see that coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I when I look back at the Colts game,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, Okay, the defense, you know, maybe they did

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<v Speaker 2>some things in some drives. And then then the defense

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<v Speaker 2>rally and did a really nice job, the offense rallying

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<v Speaker 2>did a really nice job, and just some things happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there were certainly moments, uh, you know, Max,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's go to you next year. In this game

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<v Speaker 2>in which you know the Steelers, they you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>had the march in the second half that was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they had a very nice touchdown drive that they put up.

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<v Speaker 2>But they they the two did not marry together. They

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get enough offense going to get the defense a rest.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't get enough you know, defensive stops to give

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<v Speaker 2>the offense another chance. It just it didn't go hand

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<v Speaker 2>in hand in this game.

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<v Speaker 8>No, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that also lends itself to the offense not

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<v Speaker 3>getting off to a fast start, like the first drive

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<v Speaker 3>you got points, but then to get stemied in those moments,

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<v Speaker 3>like you said, we still we had the strip sack,

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<v Speaker 3>we had we had big plays to be made where

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<v Speaker 3>you needed to flip the field and we go three

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<v Speaker 3>and out right after that.

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<v Speaker 8>So you don't do anything.

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<v Speaker 3>With that extra stolen possession in the game, and then

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<v Speaker 3>by the time you need it in the second half,

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<v Speaker 3>the defense is is depleted at that point. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you think about the passwords. Pass rus was gone. Yep,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, once once Herbid got injured on on that

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<v Speaker 3>on that hit on on on deck and then now

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<v Speaker 3>you had to go to Marvin Leal and then Demarvin

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<v Speaker 3>Leo goes out with a stinger. And then and that

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<v Speaker 3>was Jeremiah Moon who hadn't played football since the preseason,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're asking him to play meaningful plays in the

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<v Speaker 3>gut to have a moments and TJ's exhausted at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>so he's on the sideline as well.

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<v Speaker 8>And at one point Loudermilk was playing.

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<v Speaker 3>Outside back or for us, and we went we shifted

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<v Speaker 3>to a four down front because of that. And it

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<v Speaker 3>just like you said, it was just two ships passing

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<v Speaker 3>in the night, you know, when one was on in

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<v Speaker 3>the first half, the other one was completely cold, and

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<v Speaker 3>then the other one starts to warm up and the

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<v Speaker 3>other one has been flamed out. It was just like

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<v Speaker 3>you said. It was just it was not playing complimentary football.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Wolf, When I look at this game, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just look at the drive chart in this game,

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<v Speaker 2>and the cow Boys had one drive that had fewer

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<v Speaker 2>than six plays. That was their second drive of the

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<v Speaker 2>game that resulted in a punt. The Steelers had a

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<v Speaker 2>five play drive, a three play drive, a three play drive,

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<v Speaker 2>a four play drive, a three play drive.

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<v Speaker 4>They had five that were under six plays.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we talk about the Steelers offense wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to have a cumulative effect.

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<v Speaker 4>You run the game early. You run the ball early.

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<v Speaker 2>It might not show up in positive yardage, but you

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<v Speaker 2>want to wear the other team down. I think perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw is the offense's inability. Even though Dallas,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they did run the ball more effectively as

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<v Speaker 2>the game went on. That's not their approach, but just

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<v Speaker 2>being out on the field, you know, getting over to

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<v Speaker 2>the sideline and now all of a sudden you're grabbing

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<v Speaker 2>your helmet running back out on defense again. That may

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<v Speaker 2>have had a cumulative effect on the Steelers. Is this

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<v Speaker 2>game more on as well?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, there's no question.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, if you look at the possession downs three

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<v Speaker 7>of twelve, that's I'm sorry, but that's not winning football.

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<v Speaker 7>That's not going to win you many games. And it's

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<v Speaker 7>unfortunate because the shots were there and they took shots. Hey,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, it's it's like Matt said earlier. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>it's not like the Cowboys were doing something that was

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<v Speaker 7>you know, negating whatever the Steels were doing that the

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<v Speaker 7>throwers were there that you know, but they didn't hook up.

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<v Speaker 7>It was either too long or underthrown or something of

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<v Speaker 7>that nature. That kept them from being able to capitalize

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<v Speaker 7>on on what they were doing, and that's the unfortunate thing.

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<v Speaker 7>But if you can't roll chains on third down, you're

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<v Speaker 7>gonna in for a long night unless you have some

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<v Speaker 7>explosive plays in your in your your bank of plays.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, if you're not roll, if you're not getting

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<v Speaker 7>explosive plays every now and then, it's it turns into

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<v Speaker 7>the you know, the Padan death March there, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>And that's essentially what really happened for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Max back to you on this because I think you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw a possession in which the Steelers had second

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<v Speaker 2>and short, they got a pre snap penalty, then they

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<v Speaker 2>turned it into third and short, and they got another

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<v Speaker 2>pre snap penalty, and they're not able to overcome those things.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Cowboys had a first and twenty after two

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<v Speaker 2>of their own pre snap penalties, and they are built

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<v Speaker 2>to overcome that.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all understand that the offenses are built

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<v Speaker 2>different ways. And you hope that the Steelers are on

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<v Speaker 2>an evolutionary path that's going to get them to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where first and twenty is not that big of

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<v Speaker 2>a deal. Right now, it feels like it's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So separating those moments out to me, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to ask you and Wolf and Matt where you

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<v Speaker 2>think this running game is right now, this ability to

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<v Speaker 2>get into those third and manageables. You're going with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of heavy personnel, You've got an offensive line that

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<v Speaker 2>you want to wear an opponent down with, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>going against a Cowboys defense that's without it's two best players.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the Steelers would be able to do a

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<v Speaker 2>better job. And Eric Kendricks is a terrific bental linebacker.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they've got a really good young player and

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<v Speaker 2>overshown who flies around a lot. But I thought the

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<v Speaker 2>Steelers would be able to bring their pressure to bear

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<v Speaker 2>on the Cowboys, and it didn't feel to me like

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<v Speaker 2>that happened. Do you agree with my assessment and what

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<v Speaker 2>needs to happen better?

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<v Speaker 3>If that is the case, all right, so let's attack

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<v Speaker 3>this because it's a multi pronged attack on this one.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, let's start with the latter.

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<v Speaker 3>Defensively, we were pressuring and getting to Deak in the

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<v Speaker 3>first half, and it was evident by the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>he had to switch his jersey at halftime because it

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<v Speaker 3>had so much green on the.

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<v Speaker 8>Back of that white jersey.

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<v Speaker 3>Second half, like you said, started to heat up the pressure,

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<v Speaker 3>you lose a Herbic, started to heat up the pressure.

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<v Speaker 8>You then lose a Demarvin Leal.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're playing cautious because you're like, we don't have

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<v Speaker 3>enough bodies, and I get the attrition game. It happens

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<v Speaker 3>every year. Is pick your position group. It was inside

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<v Speaker 3>linebackers last year, it was the entire secondary a year

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<v Speaker 3>before that. Right now it's outside linebackers.

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<v Speaker 6>And running backs and before.

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<v Speaker 3>And now we're dealing with running backs now on the

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<v Speaker 3>offensive side of the ball. So I think defensively, they

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<v Speaker 3>just ran out of gas. And when they gave you

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<v Speaker 3>those plays early, when they blocked the field goal, when

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<v Speaker 3>you have two red zone interceptions that help you, you know, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>red zone interception and then also a fumble force fumble

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<v Speaker 3>that helps you and you don't do anything with it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the second half you're like, I need more possessions,

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<v Speaker 3>like we gave you possessions, and then offensively to attack

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<v Speaker 3>that issue, it's the run game is not where it

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<v Speaker 3>needs to be because they don't have gel And that's

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<v Speaker 3>the easiest way of putting it. You've rolled out different

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<v Speaker 3>rotations just about every single week. There's somebody new in

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<v Speaker 3>the lineup, so there's no consistency with the offensive line

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<v Speaker 3>right now. And I said this earlier in our show.

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<v Speaker 3>I need the in a three point stance. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>stand a two point stance and run situations on first

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<v Speaker 3>and ten. It bothers me. I don't care if the

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback it feels comfortable in the shotgun. If you know

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to run the ball, it doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 3>the other guy across from you knows that you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to run the ball. It's about him stopping me. And

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<v Speaker 3>you have to go dictate the fight as opposed to

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<v Speaker 3>being reactionary to it. And I think you lose leverage,

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<v Speaker 3>you lose power, you lose all of the things that

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<v Speaker 3>make a run game effective when you're six inches higher

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<v Speaker 3>than you should be at the initial snap of the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's what leads to them not making

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<v Speaker 3>it up to the second level on backers and covering guys,

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<v Speaker 3>And why guys slide off on the on the first

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<v Speaker 3>level or you turn them loose trying to get to

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<v Speaker 3>the second level is because you didn't You didn't get

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<v Speaker 3>that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Up at that assessment by by Max Starks. But you know, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>I would expect I still expect more from this running game.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're going to be built this way, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you're going against a team that I thought they

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<v Speaker 2>would be able to wear down with the running game.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, you know hand in glove right, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get enough going offensively, you don't get the ball back

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<v Speaker 2>quickly enough. I think in this instance, even though the

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<v Speaker 2>defense in the second half didn't get the job done,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was more a case of attrition. I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to see more from the offense as far

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<v Speaker 2>as being able to run the ball. You're built to

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<v Speaker 2>run the ball. You're going with heavy sets. You have

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<v Speaker 2>a big, physical runner, and I know he was dinged

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<v Speaker 2>up and had to leave the game for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just never felt like the running game got

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<v Speaker 2>the traction that it would need to get in a

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<v Speaker 2>game like this in order to provide the winning margin.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, one hundred percent. And the best defense is less defense.

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<v Speaker 5>And the Steelers played way too much defense last night,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, and they were shot at the end. I

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<v Speaker 5>thought it would be the other way around. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>with Parsons and Lawrence by far their best guys up

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<v Speaker 5>front being out for the game, and then niel In

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<v Speaker 5>getting get hurt right.

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<v Speaker 8>Off the bat.

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<v Speaker 5>They had seven guys for four spots across their defensive line,

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<v Speaker 5>and frankly, besides Lynn Bell Jos who played really well,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean he was an anchor in the middle. By

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<v Speaker 5>the way, he's in a full grown man, none of

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<v Speaker 5>them were super.

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<v Speaker 8>Impressed and a half.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I mean he's a handful, there's no question.

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<v Speaker 5>But between those seven for four spots, I thought they

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<v Speaker 5>would wear them down consistently.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>I do think we knew that the offensive line, even

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<v Speaker 5>in training camp, was going to be a work in progress,

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't think any of us thought they would

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<v Speaker 5>start four different line combinations and three or four guys

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<v Speaker 5>making their first start ever over the course of five games.

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<v Speaker 5>And as we mentioned, I mean, the cluster injuries at

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<v Speaker 5>running back are certainly a factor. I'm not picking on nausea,

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<v Speaker 5>but he doesn't seem to be making any more yardage

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<v Speaker 5>than what's blocked. And I would have loved to have

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<v Speaker 5>seen a healthy Warren from last year what he could

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<v Speaker 5>have done in that situation. But it's a group effort,

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<v Speaker 5>and I don't think people scared. Are super scared of

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<v Speaker 5>the passing game. You know, you're not backing people off

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<v Speaker 5>the line of scrimmage. I keep going back to wys

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<v Speaker 5>and pickings on the field war and I think the

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<v Speaker 5>offense is becoming too easy to play against.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you wonder wolf, you know, if you're not able

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<v Speaker 2>to run the ball the way you want to sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, are we seeing teams selling out to stop

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<v Speaker 2>the run? Are we seeing teams flying up? And this

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<v Speaker 2>is a question I should say this. Bob Briola asked

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Tomlin this, and Mike Tomlin said, yeah, he does

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<v Speaker 2>think that teams are committing to stop the Steelers run,

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<v Speaker 2>but they still are, you know, expect to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to run the ball. So is it just a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of this or mostly a matter of this offensive line

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<v Speaker 2>gelling together, getting some continuity together and also maybe getting

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<v Speaker 2>your running back core healthy for this running game to

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<v Speaker 2>start to succeed. Or is there more to it?

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<v Speaker 7>No, I really think it's about getting your offensive line

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<v Speaker 7>to gel and getting your people back.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean.

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<v Speaker 7>Mike Domlind also referenced the fact of having a primary

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<v Speaker 7>and an auxiliary runner and what that means as far

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<v Speaker 7>as defensively how you get defensive back filling certain run

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<v Speaker 7>lanes on certain downs and distances versus certain personnel packages.

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<v Speaker 7>That creates a better opportunity for the auxiliary runner on

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<v Speaker 7>third downs and so forth, on draws, screens, things.

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<v Speaker 8>Of that like that. That that that is different, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, you know, I'd love to have cordero and

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<v Speaker 7>have them a jail and healthy and back again.

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<v Speaker 8>Right now.

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<v Speaker 7>Naji's the guy. Now, he's he's very durable, and he's

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<v Speaker 7>he's a punchier in the mouth type guy. But you've

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<v Speaker 7>got to be able to script more plays, get him better. Uh,

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<v Speaker 7>running lanes open there and that's got to be something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>it's got to be more linear if you ask. In

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<v Speaker 7>my mind, I'd like to see more traps, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the short traps. He's built for that thing, man, I

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<v Speaker 7>mean you you hand that ball off and skidaddle through

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<v Speaker 7>one of those two three gaps. Well in my day

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<v Speaker 7>we call them. Yeah, I forgot. This is more modern era,

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<v Speaker 7>you know. So, but you know that would I think

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<v Speaker 7>that would be great and be built. He's, like I said,

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<v Speaker 7>built for that sort of thing. But again, remember there

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<v Speaker 7>were opportunities there, you know, just because if you overthrow.

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<v Speaker 7>I can't I counter Hayward on the sidelines. Okay, doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>mean that the offense is wrong.

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<v Speaker 8>It was right.

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<v Speaker 7>It went to the it just didn't get completed, you

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<v Speaker 7>know what I mean. There's there's got to be more

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<v Speaker 7>explosive runs. But if you go and check some of

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<v Speaker 7>the runs, if guys don't slide off the duos, if

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<v Speaker 7>guys at the tight end position do blocking duos with

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<v Speaker 7>the with the offensive tackles, if they're doing something and

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<v Speaker 7>they're getting the blocks right, he's gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 7>gain yardage there. So it's it's not the function just

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<v Speaker 7>only of scripting plays and this and that. You've got

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<v Speaker 7>to execute as always. Guys got to win their one

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<v Speaker 7>eleventh and you can't run away from not winning your

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<v Speaker 7>one eleventh. It's there, it's on tape, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot to get to there, really good

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<v Speaker 2>points brought up, and a lot more to dive into. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>we're diving into a Steelers loss. They lose twenty to

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen to the Cowboys, drops them back to three and

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<v Speaker 2>two on the season. We're gonna have more analysis of

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<v Speaker 2>this game when we continue on the point after on

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<v Speaker 2>the Steelers Audio Network.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to the point after on DVD I formation.

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<v Speaker 2>Prescott gets a snap, gives to Towns and the ball

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<v Speaker 2>is loose and Prescott pounces on it back at the

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<v Speaker 2>four yard line. Downle was hit, ball came loose, and

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<v Speaker 2>now this changes a complexion of everything. The Cowboys forced

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<v Speaker 2>to use a timeout. The ball is back near the

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<v Speaker 2>five yard line. It's gonna be third in goal from there.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>fdi C. And you're thinking, look, man, you know they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna they have three chances to run the ball in

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<v Speaker 2>from the one foot line. The Landon Roberts makes that

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<v Speaker 2>big hit, You're thinking, well, wait a minute, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a different deal altogether, trying to score from two plays

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<v Speaker 2>from the four and a half, then three played from

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<v Speaker 2>the half. Unfortunately, we all know what happened on that

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<v Speaker 2>last final play. And by the way, a doff of

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<v Speaker 2>the cap to Dak Prescott. That was a tremendous throw, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>He had to make it. I thought he made a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of superlative throws and one to Ceedee Lamb along

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<v Speaker 2>the sideline that play at the end of the game

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<v Speaker 2>to show why that's why the Cowboys paid him sixty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's a really good player. I mean, he's a

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<v Speaker 5>top ten quarterback all day long. That's seen things. And

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<v Speaker 5>when you get a tire defense, he's going to exploit

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<v Speaker 5>a time and time again a couple things when I

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<v Speaker 5>listened to that, though, Rob, you mentioned last segment, you

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<v Speaker 5>know there was eight to ten plays in that Colts

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<v Speaker 5>game that you know, by an inch if the Steelers

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<v Speaker 5>would have got it, it would have been the difference in

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<v Speaker 5>the game. That was one in this Dallas game that

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<v Speaker 5>had they fallen on that fumble, would be in a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of different spirits right now. But you also mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>you know that I kind of like take a Godfather

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<v Speaker 5>approach of these games too, and think of those around you,

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<v Speaker 5>think of those around you, think, and if this was

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<v Speaker 5>a Cowboys podcast, I'd be like, man, we may have

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<v Speaker 5>found a running game and this Tolbert guy could be

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<v Speaker 5>a really good number two receiver for us, and maybe

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<v Speaker 5>the defense is better than we thought without Micaeh Parsons.

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<v Speaker 6>So you do have to give the opponent some credit.

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<v Speaker 2>To Yeah, and that was one that could have gone

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<v Speaker 2>the Steeler's way, but three others did go the Steelers

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<v Speaker 2>way and a block field goal, so there was plenty

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<v Speaker 2>that went the Steelers' way. I just you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the yardage total, I mean the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 2>wolf basically doubled the Steelers up in this game. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you had a moment, and I think if the Steelers

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<v Speaker 2>had won this game, it would have felt like an escape.

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<v Speaker 4>It would have felt like a Houdini act.

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas if they'd beaten Indianapolis, I would have felt like

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<v Speaker 2>it was a good, methodical, solid comeback, you know, good

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<v Speaker 2>character win of a team that got punched early and

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<v Speaker 2>found itself on the canvas and got up and was

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<v Speaker 2>able to finish the fight and win by decision. This

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<v Speaker 2>one felt like they were getting out pointed all night.

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<v Speaker 2>To continue the boxing analogy.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean it would be snatching victory from the

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<v Speaker 7>jaws of defeat. I mean, you know, that's basically what

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<v Speaker 7>I thought they were gonna do with that hit by

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<v Speaker 7>Big General by Landon Roberts. Come on, and I don't

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<v Speaker 7>know about you, but I was like losing my mind.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm thinking they can come.

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<v Speaker 8>Back now and they can hold the fort right here,

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<v Speaker 8>right now, and forget everything because winning covers.

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<v Speaker 7>A ton of sins, right yeah. And then all of

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<v Speaker 7>a sudden, Dak did his job on the next play,

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<v Speaker 7>and so a couple of plays later. But you know,

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<v Speaker 7>for that moment, man like, it brought such hope, and

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<v Speaker 7>that's one of the things that I hope the guys

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<v Speaker 7>don't let extinguish. You've got to keep that hope candle

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<v Speaker 7>burning at all times, and it can't be just hoped.

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<v Speaker 7>It's got to be backed up with a ton of

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<v Speaker 7>work and everything else that you gotta do to get

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<v Speaker 7>the job done. But you cannot let this thing become

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<v Speaker 7>now two losses heading to a third, you can't. You

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<v Speaker 7>can stack wins and you can stack losses, and this

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<v Speaker 7>is something they've got to avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Max, I want to go back to Wolf

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about the Connor Hayward shot up the sideline.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it was Wolf talking about that that just

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<v Speaker 2>eluded Connor Hayward. You know, it grazed off his fingertips.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a pretty well thrown ball. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>heck of an effort by Connor Hayward. It falls incomplete,

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<v Speaker 2>and it feels like the Steelers are at a point

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<v Speaker 2>now where we're seeing a few more things. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a few more over the last couple of weeks designed

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<v Speaker 2>runs for justin fields. They're trying to find different ways

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<v Speaker 2>to manufacturer yards, to move the sticks to manufacture points.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems pretty obvious that this is not what the

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<v Speaker 2>Cowboys can do with Dak Prescott yet. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>nice audition with Dowbell, as Matt mentioned, their most probably

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<v Speaker 2>their most effective running game. They came in as the

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<v Speaker 2>worst running team in the league in Dowdell, who's been

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<v Speaker 2>a career backup, really kind of had a nice game

0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:10.959
<v Speaker 2>for the Cowboys to help out Prescott. But Prescott, I mean,

0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you're throwing for three hundred and fifty plus yards. That

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<v Speaker 2>is what you expect your quarterback to do. Doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the Steelers are there yet offensively, and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>really kind of designed to be that way. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you have the opportunity to hit those plays, it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hurts when you don't. And it was fields just

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<v Speaker 2>missing Hayward. Hayward was pretty open, it was a pretty

0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.680
<v Speaker 2>well thrown ball. It was almost a pretty good catch.

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<v Speaker 2>But almost doesn't quite get it done.

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<v Speaker 8>Nah, you know, you're absolutely right.

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean close only counts of hand grenades and horseshoes, right,

0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:47.000
<v Speaker 3>And in a football game, a matter of inches is

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<v Speaker 3>what separates a victory from a defeat. And right there

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<v Speaker 3>that was one of the prime examples where just three

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<v Speaker 3>to four inches a little bit shorter, you know, makes

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<v Speaker 3>a big play happen because you know, as you kind

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<v Speaker 3>of look at the big plays in the game Matt

0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:05.560
<v Speaker 3>mentioned earlier, no run over ten yards and you had

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:10.000
<v Speaker 3>a handful of you know, those team plus plays. Kyle

0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Allen actually had one of them in the passing game.

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<v Speaker 3>And a screen that went short that was taken long

0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.879
<v Speaker 3>by Nause, a short route by George that was taken

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<v Speaker 3>long on extra effort. That was it for explosives in

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<v Speaker 3>that game.

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<v Speaker 8>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to live that way. And I get if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to create, like we talked about the attrition game,

0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:36.600
<v Speaker 3>smash smash, smash and then hopefully it crashes. But having

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Nase run laterally on those wide toss zones not effective.

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.920
<v Speaker 3>That's not using his skill set. Now, that's more Jalen Warren,

0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 3>that's more Cordero Patterson. That's where those guys, Excel. You

0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.120
<v Speaker 3>knew that Nase was going to be your lead back

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<v Speaker 3>in this game. Run the counters, as Wolfe said, run

0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 3>the interior stuff between the tackles. Let him be a

0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.200
<v Speaker 3>battering ram. When you throw him out there like a pendulum.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the problem you're gonna get. You're gonna get a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more negative plays, a lot more zero yardage plays

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 3>than you will positive plays. And I thought that was

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<v Speaker 3>an execcution thing from the coaching aspect as far as

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 3>calling that game, that they didn't take advantage of the

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.640
<v Speaker 3>personnel they had in there. And you can throw as

0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 3>many big personnels out there as you want, but if

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<v Speaker 3>you're not running big personnel, big boy, flex your muscles

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 3>on top of the guy plays, it's not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think also the other issue was you're not

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<v Speaker 3>in a three point stance with thirteen personnel in a

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<v Speaker 3>short yardage situation. I don't care how, I don't care

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.879
<v Speaker 3>if your hercules, you're not getting it because lim Val Joseph,

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 3>guess what, he's not moving, He's he's not.

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<v Speaker 8>Going anywhere, and he is in a three point stance.

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 8>Everybody on defense is on a three point stance. Why

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<v Speaker 8>aren't you.

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 3>They've already created about a foot of leverage on you,

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<v Speaker 3>so matter, and then you're not having to take the

0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 3>extra step at the line of scrimmage going forward to

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<v Speaker 3>try and gather yourself to get back to that leverage

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.199
<v Speaker 3>position as opposed to starting out there.

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<v Speaker 6>Does it shock you?

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<v Speaker 5>I know, there's a new coordinator and he's to do

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<v Speaker 5>things different than.

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<v Speaker 8>The old one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but when they put Roderick Jones in the lineup

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 5>for the second half of last year, we saw pollers

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<v Speaker 5>everywhere weaponizing offensive lineman draps, as Wolf mentioned.

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<v Speaker 6>It shocks me. We don't see nearly as much this year.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and we don't see nearly as much. And I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, is this trying to say I'm separating my

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 3>philosophy from yours. Is this a philosophical difference trying to

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:37.760
<v Speaker 3>distinguish yourself or is it basically, you know, saying that

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 3>practical application, I'm not looking at my personnel and I

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 3>just can put anything out there and they should execute it,

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.399
<v Speaker 3>you know. And I think that's where you kind of

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.880
<v Speaker 3>struggle with seeing what that is man. And I think

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 3>that that's my biggest concern is, you know, are we

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 3>getting too fancy for fancy's sake, as opposed to just

0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 3>putting your hand in the dirt and just saying, I'm

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 3>gonna punch that guy in the mouth of me.

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<v Speaker 8>So give me a man, let me point it out.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a lot different if you don't plan on re

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<v Speaker 5>signing nause and you're gonna do that big picture. But

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<v Speaker 5>to beat the Cowboys on this day, I don't care

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 5>about who's gonna come back next year.

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:12.640
<v Speaker 6>I you know what I mean.

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:13.159
<v Speaker 8>About next year.

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm living for today and today and everything. When you

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 3>talked about it, when you do when you do your research,

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 3>we're watching these games prepping for this game. There was

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<v Speaker 3>no stat category that the Steelers were good at that

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<v Speaker 3>the that the Dallas Cowboys were also good at. It

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 3>was a deficiency in things that we thought we were

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 3>strong at, and we didn't do that. Look like a

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<v Speaker 3>great matchup, I mean on paper, was like, man, this

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 3>is gonna be great because they're week against the run,

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 3>they have to sell out and now that puts one

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 3>on one situation on the outside we could throw away

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 3>out of eight man box. And we did none of that.

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 3>And that was the one thing that was really frustrating.

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 3>And like you said, it wasn't executing your personnel to

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<v Speaker 3>the best of their abilities.

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<v Speaker 8>And so let me just say this.

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<v Speaker 7>You remember this too, when even when you got eight

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.719
<v Speaker 7>man boxes, you can still run successfully against eight man boxes.

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 7>But I will also tell you what Russ Grimm, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>a Hall of famer and was the line coach for Max.

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 8>What did he used to say about the eighth man.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's the running back guy. Yeah there you go, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 2>So let me so this is I'm going to go

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 2>down a football rabbit hole that that Matt has discovered.

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:23.159
<v Speaker 4>So Matt, I want to get back to you and

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 4>special teams.

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Remind me if I forget Wolf and Max, I want

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 2>to ask you guys both, so a lot of times

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 2>we'll see you know, the thought is, hey, a certain

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 2>receiver will be better as a slot receiver. A guy

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 2>who is a really good, you know, four to three

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 2>rush and might not be a good fit on a

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:46.159
<v Speaker 2>three to four, right, So you want certain personnel for

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.440
<v Speaker 2>certain schemes. My question for both of you guys along

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 2>the offensive line, we're seeing it seems to me again

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:56.679
<v Speaker 2>more zone blocking than we're seeing trapping and pulling in

0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. Does the scheme make a difference

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to the offensive lineman? Are you looking for certain guys

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 2>who fit certain schemes or can can offensive lineman block?

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 2>No matter what the scheme, how important is the scheme

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<v Speaker 2>and the personnel marrying together for offensive linemen?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I will say, if you want to go all

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 7>the way back to the eighties seventies, okay, Chuck Nole,

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 7>we never had anybody over sixty three. You know why

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:28.439
<v Speaker 7>because we ran such an intrinsic a trapping game that

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:31.920
<v Speaker 7>I mean essentially off we come off the bus trapping. Okay,

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.199
<v Speaker 7>I mean we're trapping everything. You pull the center, you

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 7>pull the guards, pull the tackle, wham with the tight ends,

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 7>what have you. The fact of the matter was they

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 7>it was Chuck's philosophy that you had to be an

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 7>under an up guy. You couldn't if you're six five

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 7>sixty six. It's tough for you to bend to get

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 7>underneath linebackers on two and three traps. If you're that tall,

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 7>you know you're not gonna have that leverage. So that

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 7>was in my mind. Yes, that was all about.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>Players were designed for or you got players for the scheme.

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 8>You didn't. You couldn't have six to eight guys like Max.

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 7>It would be tough for him to pull turn up

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 7>in the hole and then have some guys six two

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 7>six ' one trying, you know, meeting him in the

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 7>hole and he's got to try to bend and get under.

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 7>But you put him in a zone blocking scheme and

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 7>some of the man blocking schemes where you got all

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 7>that hamhock power that Max has got and design that that. Yeah,

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 7>he fits that perfectly. So that's kind of like the

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 7>obvious thing about it. You can still run some quick

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 7>traps on the inside, and I think Isaac runs them fine.

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 7>I think Mason's going to be fine with it. It's

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 7>just a situation of getting used to it. But those

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 7>zone blocking schemes and so forth, that's what everybody runs nowadays.

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 7>You know, whether it's inside outside, the duo blocks all

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 7>that stuff, it's everybody runs pretty much the same thing.

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 7>It's finding guys that work well together and have the

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 7>right body circumference, which obviously means you got to be big.

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 6>And real quick.

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 5>To expand on Rob's question, from my understanding, I've never

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 5>done that. You guys have zone blocking schemes, take more reps,

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, more knowing the guy next to you, more timing,

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 5>and they haven't had any of that, you know, in terms.

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 6>Of who's on the field.

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 8>You know.

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a trust thing when you run zone because

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 3>you're you're because the difference between zone and man is

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 3>area versus person. And when you're in a zone blocking scheme,

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 3>if we're working Quotelo, I'll just call it a slip

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 3>block on the back side, meaning we're taking the down

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 3>line in two of us and one of us works

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 3>to the back or whether he blits his black side

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 3>to create a cutback lane or whether he fast flows

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 3>over the top. Now that guy has to be quicker

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 3>on the front side. I will say this offensive I

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:42.959
<v Speaker 3>was gonna say offensive lineman. Nowadays it matters who your

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 3>running back is and understanding what your running back sees.

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 3>So it's more of a marriage of the offensive line

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 3>with the running back versus the offensive line to the

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 3>scheme nowadays and.

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<v Speaker 7>Thinking in no greater terms do you need to go

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 7>than leve Bell? Yeah, And leve Bell was the perfect

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 7>for the guy to just say, hey, look this is

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 7>the guy that sets up his offensive line, who understood

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 7>the second level guys and understood about the need of

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 7>patience sometimes and letting a whole develop.

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 5>The best thay I've I can ever remember is like

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 5>when Mike Shanahan was with Denver. We're playing in altitude.

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 5>Everyone's going to be gassed. So we won two hundred

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.239
<v Speaker 5>and seventy pounds. Linemen that are quick out of their

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 5>stance and they move together as one and they're never

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.959
<v Speaker 5>going to get tired. And give me Clinton Portis who

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 5>will stick us foot in the ground and find a

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 5>crack and go.

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 3>Terrell Davis, Yeah, right, or another one a guy who's like,

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm reading everything at the line of scrimmage and once

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I see my hole, I'm hitting it one hundred miles

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 3>an hour to miles zone and we just yeah, we

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 3>have different guys for that. We have a lot of

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 3>different personnel types in that running back room, especially when

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 3>you think Cordero to Jalen to Nause, all three are different.

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 3>So you would think you would cater the run scheme

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 3>to each of those guys strengths because you have that

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 3>versailit because office line is going to block it regardless.

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 3>They just need to know who's back there and what

0:31:58.080 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 3>we're running at. That given time.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, much more to get to, including special teams

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.959
<v Speaker 2>and including an historic night, which we will get to

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<v Speaker 2>when we continue in the point after on this stee

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<v Speaker 2>there's audio network back.

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<v Speaker 8>To the point after on DVE.

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<v Speaker 2>Snap back to Prescott looking looking out to the left.

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<v Speaker 2>Has time now he doesn't have time. The ball is

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 2>out and it's gonna be recovered. Well, that's either still

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>battling for herbig comes away with it and give half

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 2>a sack to Trent Jordan TJ.

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<v Speaker 8>What that is?

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<v Speaker 4>Career sack number one hundred for him.

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<v Speaker 2>He has entered the history books as the second fastest

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 2>to ever get one hundred sacks. And the Sack Hunger

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<v Speaker 6>He's a great, great football player. And this is last week.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been asked a bunch of where's the stack on

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<v Speaker 5>the Steeler defensive All time list, and you know, crazy

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 5>things like that. And I think if he never played

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 5>another down he would be a Hall of Famer today.

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 5>And with all respect to Reggie White, who's unbelievable, who

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 5>has the record for reaching one hundred sacks. Reggie White

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 5>got to play his formidable years in the USFL. He

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 5>came into the NFL as a full grown man, you know, Yeah.

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 8>He left as a full grown man.

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I can just say that from experience, you know. Yeah.

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 2>So, Matt, I did want to ask you about about

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>special teams. But as long as we're on TJ Watt, Max,

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 2>you want to weigh in on the greatness of TJ.

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 8>I'm glad I'm retired. That's number one.

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 3>Glad that he would have been a teammate of mine

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 3>versus an adversary. But no, I think when you think

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 3>of the greatness that is TJ. Watt like, he steps

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 3>up in those big moments and he never shies away

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 3>from the limelight. When the play needs to be made,

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 3>he can usually do it as long as he's not

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 3>being held by two and three guys and not getting

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 3>it and not getting a flag for it. I think

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 3>you know what TJ brings, the intimidation that he brings

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 3>to offensive tackles and opposing offenses. They have to pay

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 3>particular attention to him. He is a guy that's a

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 3>focal point. When you look across the ball, you need

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:24.959
<v Speaker 3>to say a where is ninety B? Where is thirty nine?

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.280
<v Speaker 3>And then usually what comes it? Oh, my god, ninety

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 3>seven still here. You know, it's that sequential type of

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 3>formidability that they present. And would you know that you

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 3>have to play essentially with ten guys being available versus

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 3>eleven because you're going to dedicate one extra guy than

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 3>what's necessary to TJ Watt on any given play. That

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 3>usually makes your defensive job a lot easier. And the

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 3>problem is all of those support guys have been injured

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 3>because Alex Heismith was one of those guys that provided

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 3>that secondary impact to where you're like, man, we have

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 3>to get past this initial push of and phase of

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 3>guys and herbig came in and was giving you that

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.720
<v Speaker 3>same Alex Heighsmith type of production until he got injured

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.239
<v Speaker 3>in the game. And I think that allows you to

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 3>focus in on well, you know there's lesser talent on

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 3>the other side. You can then focus your attentions the

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 3>other way and they just wore TJ.

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 8>Down in the game.

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 3>But he is truly a difference maker and an X

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.720
<v Speaker 3>factor for any team, and thank.

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 8>God he is a Pittsburgh Steeler.

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 6>They don't have herbig Leal or high Smith.

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 8>Next week.

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 6>That's gonna be a four guys blocking him.

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:39.760
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, overload.

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 2>It is gonna be a chore. And and the question

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:44.879
<v Speaker 2>does come up, and you're hearing it more and more.

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 2>But I think that you know, at some point, you know,

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 2>you can only be so great, right and if you're

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 2>being mentioned with you know, Joe Green and Troy Polamalu

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Wolf and you know Mel Blont, I mean, the list

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 2>goes on and on first year, there's great and I

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 2>just think to fit comfortably in that group is an

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>awfully good place to be.

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.719
<v Speaker 7>There's no question about it. I mean, you watch that

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 7>young man compete out there, and you'll love the fire.

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:15.879
<v Speaker 7>I mean, that's the first thing you feel coming off

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 7>of man. The dude is on fire. And when he's

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 7>at it, when he's at his best, it's a full

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 7>flame on like that guy in the Fantastic I mean,

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 7>it's just.

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 8>It's really amazing to watch.

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 7>And you see, you know, look at I mean TJ

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 7>is wide, he's six four two fifty something like that. Yeah,

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.720
<v Speaker 7>you see these giant six foot eight guys looking around

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 7>when they come out that first snap.

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 8>And they're going, Okay, do I got the wall? Do

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 8>I got the chip? Do I got the running back?

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:44.359
<v Speaker 8>Over here? You'll keep it all, you.

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Know, Hey, hey, tight end, tight end?

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 8>You know what I'm tight? You're not loose splitting out exactly.

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 7>I mean it's really funny because the intimidation factor that

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 7>he brings with him, because he will come.

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 8>Out of nowhere.

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 7>It's it's like he'll ghost move a guy, he'll go

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 7>run through a guy, he'll duck into the inside. He's

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 7>got all his his trapping hands work that he does

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 7>when he runs the arcane, and he's got this football IQ.

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 7>Remember the the interception he had last year when he

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 7>dropped back and you know, things like that. You go, wow,

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 7>that's that's football on another level. You know, I'm a

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.720
<v Speaker 7>checkers guy. He's he's at that with that three piece

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 7>Chinese checkers chest whatever it.

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 3>Ish, Chinese checkers multi dimensional, it looks like yeah, exactly.

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, okay, so yes, the intimidation factor, the greatness

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 2>factor that he is a Steelers all time great factor,

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 2>all that's wonderful. Before we put a rap on this game,

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I did want to Matt bring up one more thing,

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 2>because I think by and large this was a plus

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 2>for the Special Special Teams. You know, the net for

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 2>weight and it was only forty point four. There was

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 2>a touchback in which Edmunds, you know, almost got the ball.

0:37:59.239 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 4>He was in.

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Really good position and it just skipped past him. I

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know if he lost his footing or lost sight

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 2>of the ball, but I thought Weightman did a nice

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:11.799
<v Speaker 2>job punting. You know, Turpin got one kickoff return for

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:15.839
<v Speaker 2>thirty eight yards. Anytime that guy touches the ball, if

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.320
<v Speaker 2>you're not a Cowboys fan, and we were not Cowboys fans,

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:21.720
<v Speaker 2>that's for sure, it is you are holding your breath

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 2>because he is just so electric. So all things considered,

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 2>and then you block a field go And now I'm

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:31.320
<v Speaker 2>looking at Anger. Anger had one punt yesterday. The Cowboys

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 2>punted once in this game. That's not the Special Teams

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>unit's fault. I thought, when you throw the block, uh,

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 2>you know field goal in there, and you know Boswell

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 2>being accurate with his kicks, that this was a you know,

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 2>the AFC Player of the Month, Special Teams Player of

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the Month, Chris Boswell. I think that this has to

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 2>be looked at as one area that the Studers, I

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 2>think unequivocally would have to say, yeah, it was.

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 4>It was a positive in this game.

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:02.399
<v Speaker 5>And I was really excited to watch Johnston, especially from

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:04.320
<v Speaker 5>what we've seen at Punters in the last couple of years,

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 5>because I thought he was going to be a real

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 5>weapon and weightman is good. I mean, certainly improvement over

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:12.439
<v Speaker 5>the last couple of years. And I one hundred percent

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 5>agree with everything you said. But that Aubrey character for

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 5>Dallas is pretty decent too, And I was really intrigued

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 5>with his kickoffs. I mean, I would have loved to

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 5>see Quardall Patterson be actually able to return a kick.

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.279
<v Speaker 5>He should Before this game, the Steelers have returned one

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 5>kick all year. They just plasted out of the end zone.

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 5>But Aubrey has that funky lands it in the zone

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 5>every time, makes it tough on you, which is a

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 5>really interesting strategy I think other kickers are going to

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.240
<v Speaker 5>adapt to. But boy, wouldn't have been nice have Quarterrell,

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 5>you know, returning one two or even Warren you know.

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I hope more teams do it because

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 2>it adds much want to add a play. By the way,

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 2>my apologies to all English teachers. I think I threw

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 2>a b in the word unequivocal. I think I made

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:56.359
<v Speaker 2>it unequivocable.

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 6>Or none of us have ever bought the name or anything.

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 2>We're all looking for well, looking for that away right

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 2>now to come inf So guys is to their's head

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 2>on the road, and you know, we don't want to

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 2>have to dig too deep into this matchup other Wolf

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and to say that this just feels like an important

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 2>game at this point of the season, because you don't

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 2>want losing to become a habit. You've lost two games

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>that you've had opportunities to win. I think that you

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>go four and two and you're flying back across the

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.920
<v Speaker 2>country with two more primetime games coming up to close

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 2>out October, and you're feeling pretty good about where you are.

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:48.319
<v Speaker 8>So you're asking me about the Rays, you know, I.

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:49.919
<v Speaker 4>Ask you about the importance of the game.

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.880
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, another great rivalry game, right exactly,

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:53.800
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying.

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 8>You know, when the Cowboys would come off.

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 7>Of the eighties, that was was big the seventies, and

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 7>now the Raiders, who you know, that's another team that

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 7>I hate.

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 8>It's trying to get right now.

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.919
<v Speaker 7>But the point is, yes, this is a very important game.

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.399
<v Speaker 7>This is a game where look at you've you've now

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.439
<v Speaker 7>stacked you stacked three wins together. Now you've stacked two

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 7>losses together. You don't want to continue the losses. Those

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 7>things are as infectious as COVID for crying out loud,

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 7>you know, And so you want to make sure you

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:28.800
<v Speaker 7>stop the bleeding. And you got to stop the bleeding

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 7>this week. This is a great opportunity against the Raiders

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:33.960
<v Speaker 7>team and I think you can get after. But at

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 7>the same point in time, I thought you're gonna get

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 7>after the Cowboys.

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 8>Too, you know.

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 7>So the challenge is before them and they yes, and

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:43.320
<v Speaker 7>like you said, but you know what, here's the beauty

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 7>of it.

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 8>They can do it.

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 7>I mean it's right there in front of them, and

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 7>they've got to put together their best performances and collectively

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:50.880
<v Speaker 7>do it as a team.

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Well I was just waiting for it. Yeah, you're waiting

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 3>for that great team performance. We've seen phases and separate points,

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 3>but we haven't seen the entire team, all three fase

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 3>that's gonna come play play in concert with each other.

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that one of the things, uh that is

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 2>One of the many, many things it's so cool about

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the Steelers is to have these rivals. When you think

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 2>about rivalries mostly you're thinking about teams within the division.

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, histories that go way back. You know, the

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 2>the Packers and the Bears, the Rams and the forty

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 2>nine ers out west. You know, anybody in the the

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 2>NFC East, the Cowboys, the Eagles, the Giants, the Red Well, sorry,

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 2>the Command yeah now the well well done, Max, thanks

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.360
<v Speaker 2>for looking out. But you know, we talked about the

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Steelers Cowboys rivalry. You know, they've only played now thirty

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 2>four times in their history, including the playoffs. That's not

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of meetings. The Steelers and Ravens, you know,

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 2>have have played more than that in a in a

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.280
<v Speaker 2>shorter period of time because they're in the same division.

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 2>But it's not a conference versus conference Max Stevens versus Cowboys,

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 2>which makes that unique. But it is also not a

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>divisional game. It's not an opponent you see every single year,

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and yet the enmity between the two sides continues to

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 2>exist and it is a great rivalry. We talked in

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.439
<v Speaker 2>the pregame yesterday about the Cowboys and the Steelers being

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 2>different styles, right, a boxer versus a slugger.

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 4>Kind of thing.

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is two teams kind of like the Steves

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.919
<v Speaker 2>and Ravens, you know that would fight in the phone

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>booth because that's the kind of styles that they play.

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean, you know, Steelers Cowboys was

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 3>Hatfields and McCoy's of NFL. You know, it's just it's

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 3>a deep rooted historical rivalry. And like you said, it

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.399
<v Speaker 3>stends back to an era when they played in Super

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:51.879
<v Speaker 3>Bowls and they got and the Steelers got the better

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 3>of them. Early Cowboys come back, they get their one

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:57.879
<v Speaker 3>punch in the nineties and there was an argument over

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 3>who was America's team, and you know that whole conjecture

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 3>that went on. So there was all these little animosity

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:09.239
<v Speaker 3>moments that would bleed into that historical relevance of only

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:12.839
<v Speaker 3>seeing each other once every four years. And you had

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 3>the additional opportunity and also both of these teams are

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 3>the top two all time and playing in primetime. You know,

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Cowboys have one hundred and six stealers played in ninety eight.

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Now they both have one extra to add to that

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 3>after last night or this morning, however you want to

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 3>count it. And that's what I think is is is

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<v Speaker 3>what breeds that It breeds across decades, it breeds across

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<v Speaker 3>family generations. You know that disgust comes in and it

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<v Speaker 3>only continues to further anebriate itself and just come to

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<v Speaker 3>a head all the time every time they see each other.

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<v Speaker 3>But like you said, another one, and the rivalry is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be this Raider squad is going to be,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as Al Davis versus the Chief, AFL versus

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<v Speaker 3>NFL merger, the Bad Boys versus the Golden Boys. However

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<v Speaker 3>you want to look at it, it's always been a

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<v Speaker 3>crux and they've always met at critical junctures in those

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<v Speaker 3>seventies and eighties, and it's been a slugfest. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be interesting to see how we deal with

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<v Speaker 3>the rebound of going off a one rivalry game and

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<v Speaker 3>going into the next rivalry game.

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<v Speaker 6>Matt, so I do urge people to check it out.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a little after the fact, but Dale wrote a

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<v Speaker 5>great article on Steelers dot Com. Just like since the

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<v Speaker 5>merger in nineteen seventy, the Dallas has the most division titles.

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<v Speaker 5>Since then, Steelers or second Steelers have the most wins.

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<v Speaker 5>Dallas a second, there's just all this long list where

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<v Speaker 5>they're the top two winningest organization since the seventies, and

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<v Speaker 5>kind of put a bow on and look the next

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<v Speaker 5>week too. I mean, I was born in nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 5>and by the time I was probably five years old,

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<v Speaker 5>it was ingrained to me that the team you hate most,

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<v Speaker 5>Matt is the Raiders. Then it's the Cowboys. Then we'll

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<v Speaker 5>worry about the Oilers and the Bengals and the Browns.

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<v Speaker 5>Later we got them under control.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good stuff, can't wait. Guys, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Special guest star Max Starks.

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<v Speaker 4>Max thinks you're.

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