WEBVTT - S2E9 - Bound by Blood 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:38.240 Hello, Bye, I had a change of scenery. I'm fucking 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.240 so excited. I've stolen Dan's chair, so much more comfy 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.680 than on this stool. Anyone who was listening in the 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.199 last episode. We we recorded these episodes back to back 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.240 and then usually I sit on a stool, and I 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.440 just got this new reclinate chair. I'm very excited about 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.080 it because i'm now and these are the things that 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.520 excite me. But normally Dan is on it. Again, if 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.760 you were listening to the last episode, I explained this 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:01.480 is and his chair. He was trying to interrupt quite 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.959 a lot, but he hopped off. So I've reclaimed it 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.800 and now I'm really comfortable. But I'm just like, this 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.200 is my fingertips touching my computers. I'm just too far, 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:10.920 Like I have to get off the chair. Then I'm 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:12.560 away from the mic, and it's a whole thing. So 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:14.040 if you see me doing that, or if my voice 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.319 dissipates for a second and then it comes back, that's 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:22.640 why I'm doing my best. You'll get through it. I 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.920 know that, and I think so I have faith, have faith, 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.160 like rearranged everything. It's fantastic. I don't know why I'm 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:39.680 a I forgot my tea so much better. Okay, what 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:47.160 we're saying, I forgot my faith. Goddamn it. Stop. I 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.080 can even recline a little bit. Oh, this is the 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.760 best purchase I ever made. Man, lucky you. I'm so excited. Okay. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.680 I mean to set up like a real podcast office 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:02.360 in my I mean it's like it's my office is 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.920 like a little inlay under my stairs and it's I 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:06.760 love it, like it's my little space and I do 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.120 my audition work and stuff in it. But it's like 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.800 fucking chaos and not even worse. Now I'm gonna have 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.120 to like fix all of this ship that I've just 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.839 made terrible. But you've got like a little Harry Potter room, 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.720 a little Hrry Potter room. Yeah, And like my I've 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.239 got all sorts any like tools and I can see 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:26.040 it all now, like tools and boxes and spare pillow 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.160 cases are all in the like in this little bit 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.040 that I can figure out where they were supposed to go, 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.040 and all sorts of nuts stuff. Well, shall we dive in, Yeah, 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.880 let's dive in. Welcome back to return to the shadows. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.240 Because it's been so long since we've spoken and done this. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.480 It's not like it's been three minutes or anything since 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:45.240 the last episode, but we returned to season two episode nine, 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:50.320 Bound by Blood, which aired originally on February seventeen, Written 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:54.239 by the Great Peter bin Swinger, directed by the also 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.560 great Matthew Hastings, starring Katherine Matamara, Dominic sher with Albert 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.000 was Andy, Matthew Gario and around be A, Isaiah Mustafa, 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.040 Harry Sham Jr. Guest starring Elephant Sprang, Alicia Wayne Right, 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.680 Ariana Williams, David castro Jas, Sooner, Vanessa, Matt Suey Next 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:12.160 sig Are Josh war Vath and Lawrence Dickinson. You stuck, 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.480 You stuck a breath in there, but it was a 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.400 very Broadway breath. It was very good. I was listening 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.080 for it because when I did this, I tried to 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.880 get all of that plus the guest stars out in 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.200 one breath, and I couldn't do it. But I smoked 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.079 for a long time. So maybe that's why you've never 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:27.840 done that, which I'm very proud of you for. But 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.400 you right at the end, it was so close. I 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.440 think it was between let me see here, it was 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.240 between like Josh, It was between Nick and Josh, So 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.600 it was like so close to getting all the way through. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.280 That should be a challenge. I want to I want 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.760 to try and get one of these all the way 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.720 through without having to breathe anyway. I digress. In this episode, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:52.160 Clary faces a world of trouble. Clary is sidelined. I 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.600 need to bring it closer. I can can't see ship logline. 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:02.640 Fucking honestly, got to bring things a little close, no kidding, yes, seriously, um, 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.440 what happens in this episode, Clary faces a world of trouble. 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.960 Clary is sidelined by Iris's blood oath, while the down 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.760 world begins to fall apart, with word getting out that 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.120 Clary is a key part of Valentine's plan. The down 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.719 world as are odds on how to handle the issue, 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.240 but when Iris activates her blood oath, Clary has more 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:23.000 to worry about than hiding from Valentine and the down worlders. Meanwhile, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.600 Isabelle and Raphael get closer as Alec tries to figure 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.880 out what's going on with his sister. Oh my goodness, 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.039 it's going to be cut together perfectly. But if you 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.520 guys could hear the fucking polava I just had trying 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.360 to get that out. Nah, it was no one would 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.640 ever hire me as a first time. It was perfect. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:44.000 I got nothing wrong. Goodness, no, never, you never do that. 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.520 This is an interesting book to screen moment which I 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.440 think we should kind of talk about. This is the 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.240 first time we get to see the down World Council, 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.000 which is a bigger deal in the book that it 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:55.359 is in the show. But I thought they did a 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.240 really beautiful job of it in the show, bringing in 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.839 this sort of um you know, there's a representative from 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.320 each of the down World communities and they come together 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.440 and you know, deal with the shadow Hunters in their 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.200 own way. It's a bit of United Nations of the 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.080 Shadow World kind of thing. But the way that they 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.279 do it in our show is so beautiful. They have 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.120 all the banners and they bring it in in such 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.360 a beautiful way. I can't remember if we actually see 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.599 that full set up in this episode, but I can't 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.880 remember that scene. If I'm honest, I'm very excited. But 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.880 do you remember that, you know they do it sometimes 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.120 in the training room, they transform it into the council 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.520 room where they have the banner for each of the 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.039 things in the big round table. I sort of vaguely 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.320 remember one of those from season three where we all 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.560 get each other's powers. It's similar to that, but not quite. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.200 Was I in the scene. I think we entered the 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:49.880 scene it was. It was a point where we were 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:51.680 dealing with the Seeley Queen and I had to come 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:57.640 and in Sassa Lola and uh I did that a lot. Yeah. Anyway, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.640 here we are as the episode begins, we get to 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.880 see where do I forget how it starts? Starts with 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:10.240 you guys about to fuck it? Oh my god? Okay, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.719 can I just say it was fun for you, but 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.520 it was fun for us too. But I'll tell you 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.640 I got the scare of my life during this scene. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.839 The way that we shot it, because the canoe itself 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.120 was so high up in the boat basin. In order 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.560 to shoot Alberto's in my coverage, they set it up 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.480 in just sort of a dark corner of the studio. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.000 They brought one of the canoes down and just stacked 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:34.560 two of them on top of each other so the 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:38.280 cameras could get in and around us more easily, and 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.719 of course, as is want to do when you're nearing 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.839 the end of season two on a series, and the 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.520 crew and the cast is very close Albert and I, 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.560 and I think it's in the Bloopers. Albert and I 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.760 were doing the scene and mid making out and all 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.360 this stuff, and Isaiah pops his head out from behind 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.839 the canoe in the middle of a take and scares 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:01.280 the living daylights out of me. Really good. You've ever 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.520 had a parent walking on you making out with someone? 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.839 That's that going? And it was never, That's never happened 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.640 to me. No that I don't think that. I mean, 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.800 I'm an adult now, like mom sees me kiss decks 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.720 all the time, but like never in this never in 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.560 a canoe day that much. It's never been My mom 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.480 just texts me that's weird. Literally, as I was talking 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.000 about it, someone's ears burning. I remember this scene being 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.320 a lot of fun, and Alberto and I got to 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.400 have so much fun with this, like annoyance with each other. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.040 We really got to play with it. Some of this 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.120 is in the Bloopers as well. Yeah, nobody ever knocks 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.440 in the shadow world. Nobody, But why would you knock 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.720 at a boat basin? And it's not a standard place 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.680 you would need to knock in. This is when he 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.440 was in really good shape as well. I mean He's 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.840 always been in fantastic shape. But he Alberto little little 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.320 fun note. You know. I think it was right at 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.400 the end of the It was in the mid season break. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.520 He got in such good shape that he got told 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.640 to lose muscle mass. He had to slim up a 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.920 little because he got in such phenomenal shape that he 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.400 didn't look vampire anymore. He started to look a little 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.760 more werewolf. And they were like, you need to slim 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.560 up a little bit because he was. We were all 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.320 so jealous when he turned up at the gym that 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.560 day and turned it, took a shot off for the 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:13.600 first time. We were like, it was wild. He had 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.520 like wings, no joke, he had like wings of muscle 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.760 down his back. Was insane to picture that. You know, 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.160 our trainer, our trainer was doing the pull ups and 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:30.920 his back is just zero. Yeah. That's the thing with 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.000 Alberto too. He's he's always been such an athlete. He 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.640 has so much he has so much muscle memory. He 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.800 can sneeze near a weight and just be totally stab 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.320 He's working out with new No again. Now I am too. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.880 Oh are you nice? Yeah? I forgot that. Clary hits 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.720 you in the face with his shirt. Yeah, that was annoying, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.640 and that's an annoying thing to film. There were two 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.600 two that are jumping to me right now, irritating face 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.000 shots in the show. There was one was this one 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.800 because ballistically don't ever fly where you want them to fly, 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.400 Like ball off the shirt as tight as you can 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.200 and try and launch it across the room. It's going 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:06.760 to make it three ft and then open up like 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.800 a parachute. And then I don't remember if you were 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.840 here for this one. You remember that you had to 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.960 have been there, because you open a portal to somewhere 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.240 and like paper starts flying around the room. And they 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.080 had a big fucking jet engine basically is what it 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.719 looked like, like a massive six ft tall fan, and 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.640 they were just throwing bits of like sort of half 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.480 crumpled paper. But as soon as it hit the air, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.200 it got such velocity that it would hit me in 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.360 the face and it felt like punched in the face. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.360 And I was trying to sort of do dialogue, and 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.560 every now and then this thing would like crunch me 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.480 in the face. And you can't really I think I 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.720 was reading something. I was looking at you, you were 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.360 looking at me, So it wasn't looking and so it 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.480 catches you really by surprise. We'll have to talk about 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.839 that when we reached the episode, because that was very 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.840 poor planning because you had paper in the face and 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.959 my hair was just was it. Yeah, we'll get there. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.400 That's we got another season before that. Um, currently, my 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.320 hand is turning necrotic. Yeah, it's not good, not good, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.000 not good. Spot. I thought it looked like I thought 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:09.720 it started in the middle of your hand for some reason, 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.840 but it doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't look great because she 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:16.800 pricks my finger to sign the blood to take the Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.280 that bit. So it starts from the point where she 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.440 pricked my finger and then it goes from there. I 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.120 do have to give Randy Doddlin and his team such 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.160 a huge shout out for the practical effects, because that 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:33.120 was the necrotic hand was done in stages practically throughout 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.840 the episode, and they what they did the first time 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.400 they did it, they just kind of painted it and 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.480 did it manually. But then they started making patches, and 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.320 so they prepaint these silicon patches and put them on 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.200 my hand and put everything else and I don't know 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.120 how much of it ended up in the episode. But Randy, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.080 we know his propensity for loving little gross details and 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.040 just making it as gory as possible. We had one 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.040 fingernail that was off and another one that was darribling, 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.120 and all this stuff. They we did some exposed bone 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:07.480 on different knuckles and it was fucking grim. There are things, 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.439 there are some things no matter how gory it gets, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.760 there are some things that you're like first too much. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.280 Like I have a friend who can't it doesn't matter 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.800 how fake it is, how fake it looks. Cannot deal 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.360 with throats being split, and he can't even do it 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.680 with his eyes closed because the noise of that then 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.040 sort of triggers him into this place. And for me, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.360 it's fingernails. Do you ever see a fingernail come off? 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.560 And I've never lost a fingernail, so I don't know 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.680 where this like trepid fear comes from, but it's something 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.600 for me that I watched this movie the other day 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.600 where zombie movie where the not the other day? I 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.600 watched it years ago, but and I haven't watched it 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.760 since because this one shot, one of the zombies scratches 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.199 at like a door, and as they scratched it, all 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.079 of their fingernails peel off the back of their hand, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:53.040 and I was like, that's me done. I'm never watching 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:58.080 this movie ever again. No, sorry, I think Alan's in 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.960 it is true. I'm sure Allen's and everything and fucking 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.240 everything good for him, but you know that is true. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.559 It's uh. I have it with with skin slices. If 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.679 it was like a first cut, even made into a 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.600 cadaver or somebody you know gets it, even just needles 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.840 going into skin on him, I don't know what interesting 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.839 the first one. If it happens the second time, you're 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:26.000 all right, yeah, yeah, it's like the initial cut of it. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.520 I don't know. I can't that's so interesting. Have kins 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:30.680 he tell you the story about how he, like cheese, 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.400 grated his finger once and it came out in is 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.760 it like Julienne when you made Julian potatoes and they 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.720 come out in a little zig zag. He hit his 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:39.959 finger with that and it took out a zigzag chunk 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:41.480 of his hand. He has a photo of it. It's 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.760 really grim to ask him to next time you see him, 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.719 ask him to tell you about it. Go on. So 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.679 Alex Kinsey, who actually has new music coming out as well, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.719 so make sure you can listen to that as and 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.480 when it comes out. Hot Messes hands down like my 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.360 favorite song of all time. So you need to if 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.199 you're not already doing it, you're not already doing this, 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.760 but as soon as you're done after this, going download 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.640 and listen to hot Mess by I love hot mess 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.240 It's one of my favorites. Show. Now, what's happening here? 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.120 Magnus and Alec are talking and they're in the daylight, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.800 and I really like we get such a rare They 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.320 started happening a little more through season two, but it 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.840 was so rare that we got these like really nice, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.079 sort of seemingly naturally lit daytime scenes. This is in 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:25.959 the studio because the balcony was in the studio, but 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.800 it looks fantastic, and there's something really nice about the 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.440 sort of dichotomy of like, it's what's it called, it's 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.240 a pathetic fallacy where the weather directly relates to the 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.800 emotions of the characters, Right, is that? Right? Yeah? I 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.640 think the one thing I learned in school is pathetic fallacy, 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.720 and it's like locked in my brain somewhere. I can't 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.160 do simultaneous equations or a tax, but simultaneous equations, that's 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.319 up there, staying up there. Yeah, it looks fantastic. I 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.760 love a good daytime scene. We come to Magnus for help. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.800 That's what's happening. They have they're having a nice moment 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.760 and I need to help learning. Yeah, you're dying. It 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:09.120 does look gross. Yeah, Les brulet is what it's called. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:15.920 The burnt flesh. Fantastic. Thanks Iris. Once the magic reaches 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.280 your heart, you're a gonna Yeah, that's not good. No, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.520 it doesn't have that long. It's moving like in the 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.000 time it took us to get from the boat base 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.600 into there. It's taken over most of your hand. Yeah, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.720 it's pretty quick. It doesn't say a timeline. It's probably 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.960 smart filmmaking wise. Is it smart not to give it 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.760 an exact like it's going to take exactly twelve minutes 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.120 it's going to be dead. Sometimes you need that though, 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.280 but not not in this case. Nicks back, Wait, welcome 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.800 back alder Tree. Where was he for a whole episode? 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.440 Good grief. I don't know man doing something nefarious, Like 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.440 he has the Art of War on his book shelf 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.880 and that's how we started it. Yeah, you know what 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.680 I mean, Like that's that's his priority. Who's the Arts 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.000 of War. But is it some sue? Yeah? Have you 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.240 read The Arts of War? I have read parts of it. 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:07.680 I had to read part of it for school, but 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.040 I don't think I ever read the whole thing. To 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:13.240 read the Arts of Wolf for school part of school. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:38.920 M hmm, International literature section. Yeah. Interesting. Um where were we? 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.960 Back to older Tree? So he's getting his claws back 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:47.920 into Isabel's situation. Yeah, this is creepy. This is a 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.760 creepy little sub story. Yeah, but then we cut to 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:57.320 Jade Wolf and Luke is is gone, Oh no, not 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:04.240 again again. Some pickle just on the phone in the background. Awesome, Okay, 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.760 some of my best work right there by the ducks again. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:11.320 I remember them. Oh that's right. It's because they put 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.600 me by the ducks again. And I remember talking about 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.640 it and they told me that it wasn't that they 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.920 cut the scene from the previous episode. So I was like, oh, 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:20.480 I just I'm not going to I guess I'm not 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.320 going to react to them a second time. It doesn't 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.480 make any sense. Don't cut it again. So they don't 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.680 cut it again. Yeah, so it just got that whole 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:29.800 like arc just got kind of next. I thought it 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.280 was a fun little thing that he This is such 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.120 a weird thing to be afraid of. Afraid of ducks, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.600 there you go, even dead ducks. It's true, it should be. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.440 But speaking of dead things, Clarie ends the scene by 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.240 putting her foot down and saying, Simon's coming with them, 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.760 because you know, if I'm gonna die, I'm going to 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.880 have time in with me or something. Then I go 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.000 to the boat basin to try and get him. But 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.400 I will say this is one of my favorite scenes 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.000 and one of the silliest scenes I ever had to do. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.880 Oh yeah, the with the vampire confiding a c G 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.560 I with vampire werewolf. That's it with the werewolf. This 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.400 was fine. You this fucked you up? Do you remember? 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.960 I do? Remember I do. This is why you should 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.119 always listen to Darren McGuire, because I didn't. I was 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.119 supposed to be standing this whole fight, or sitting like 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:21.000 I am here at first, and you know, as things go, 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.720 when Simon passes me this boat or I ended up 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.200 on my knee and Darren, after we blocked the scene, 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:27.600 Darren said to me, he goes, you know, do you 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.480 want to put on like a shin pad or something, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.280 because it's gonna be a while, and you know you're 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.280 gonna be and I went, no, I'm fine. I was 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:39.360 My shin was black after because it was half a day. Well, 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.960 you know, it's we've talked about this before as well, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.400 like it's part of it. You don't you don't feel 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.439 it at the time. You have the adrenaline running through you. 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.040 You're doing what you enjoy, like and the stunts became 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.560 such a heavy part of what we do that you 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.520 don't feel it at the time, but you, especially you 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:59.119 Brew so easily. Aleshasa but this was I remember you 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.840 showing me. I was like, that's bad, really bad. There 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.879 you go. You learn, you learn, you gotta listen. I 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.200 had one, not as bad as you, but I Bruce 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.720 fairly easily also. And they had one in at the 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.199 end of season three where I have to go to 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.520 elbow someone and I'm supposed to miss and hit the 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.320 wall behind them, and they were like, just don't hit 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.000 the wall, and I was like, okay, I won't hit 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.639 the wall, and then take number one sure enough, just 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.760 went straight past it, put a little dink in the 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.080 set like whatever, and did the rest of the scene. 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.199 And they're like, I think it was either Darryn or 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.040 Max who came up and said they'd seen it, and 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.640 they went, you want some ice? And I was like, yes, please, 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.600 please don't tell anyone, Yes, please had like some ice 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.800 and some advilt, but don't say I would like some ice. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.679 And Advil shout out to Drew our set metic, who 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.360 would sneak us? Advil and I at at need give 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.960 it a moment, so you keep going, um, this is 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.160 this scene. Though I do remember talking to Matt Hastings, 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.320 who directed this, and to Darren about how we were 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.200 going to do this, because obviously the werewolf is entirely 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.240 c g I, but it can look really odd you're 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.960 fighting something and there's nothing there. And we tried in 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:04.760 a few different ways. So we did. We did a 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.320 lot of takes, and I think what they ended up 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:11.680 using were takes where I was just battling by myself. Um. 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.640 But what we tried it first was they put they 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.920 put one of our stunt doubles in a full green 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.919 suit and had her be the werewolf and fight me, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.159 and I was I was glad we did that first 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.320 because then I had at least felt what it was 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.879 like to have somebody there and to have some force 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.960 to kind of work against. But I think in the 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.960 end they ended up not using her until there was 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.359 the because there was that moment where she flies over 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.439 the trash can um and they used her for that. 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:46.600 I think this sprint too. You ran so fast at this, Yeah, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.000 that sprint essentially, this is in the bloopers as well. 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.119 I was like trying to stop because it's all gravel 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.480 out there. If you remember before, it's fully graveled, and 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.520 the stop it was like it was like a four 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.600 ft slide. And I managed to stop this lied right 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.199 sort of on my mark, which is very rare for me. 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.240 I very rarely hit my mark. It's just ask anyone 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.600 I've ever worked with. It's I had this this camera 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.520 operator Patrick, I should text so much. You see how 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.040 he's doing on that on partner track, and he could, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.399 like by the end of the show, he would go, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.359 dumb that mark on the floor. It's not a fucking suggestion, 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.200 all right, that's where you gotta stand. I was like, oh, 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:27.119 ship bad, you say, the nicest guy who's doing everything 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.680 in jest obviously, but like he was right, I wasn't 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.040 on my mark every time for camera team trying to 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.600 adjust to me just being fucking useless the whole time. 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:39.720 There you go, Yeah, that's all right. And again the 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.800 clever this is something again in Supernatural series that I 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:48.000 always find charmingly funny when you know somebody's naked but 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:49.320 they don't want to show it. There's just like a 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:55.320