Speaker 1: Hello, Bye, I had a change of scenery. I'm fucking
Speaker 1: so excited. I've stolen Dan's chair, so much more comfy
Speaker 1: than on this stool. Anyone who was listening in the
Speaker 1: last episode. We we recorded these episodes back to back
Speaker 1: and then usually I sit on a stool, and I
Speaker 1: just got this new reclinate chair. I'm very excited about
Speaker 1: it because i'm now and these are the things that
Speaker 1: excite me. But normally Dan is on it. Again, if
Speaker 1: you were listening to the last episode, I explained this
Speaker 1: is and his chair. He was trying to interrupt quite
Speaker 1: a lot, but he hopped off. So I've reclaimed it
Speaker 1: and now I'm really comfortable. But I'm just like, this
Speaker 1: is my fingertips touching my computers. I'm just too far,
Speaker 1: Like I have to get off the chair. Then I'm
Speaker 1: away from the mic, and it's a whole thing. So
Speaker 1: if you see me doing that, or if my voice
Speaker 1: dissipates for a second and then it comes back, that's
Speaker 1: why I'm doing my best. You'll get through it. I
Speaker 1: know that, and I think so I have faith, have faith,
Speaker 1: like rearranged everything. It's fantastic. I don't know why I'm
Speaker 1: a I forgot my tea so much better. Okay, what
Speaker 1: we're saying, I forgot my faith. Goddamn it. Stop. I
Speaker 1: can even recline a little bit. Oh, this is the
Speaker 1: best purchase I ever made. Man, lucky you. I'm so excited. Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean to set up like a real podcast office
Speaker 1: in my I mean it's like it's my office is
Speaker 1: like a little inlay under my stairs and it's I
Speaker 1: love it, like it's my little space and I do
Speaker 1: my audition work and stuff in it. But it's like
Speaker 1: fucking chaos and not even worse. Now I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to like fix all of this ship that I've just
Speaker 1: made terrible. But you've got like a little Harry Potter room,
Speaker 1: a little Hrry Potter room. Yeah, And like my I've
Speaker 1: got all sorts any like tools and I can see
Speaker 1: it all now, like tools and boxes and spare pillow
Speaker 1: cases are all in the like in this little bit
Speaker 1: that I can figure out where they were supposed to go,
Speaker 1: and all sorts of nuts stuff. Well, shall we dive in, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's dive in. Welcome back to return to the shadows.
Speaker 1: Because it's been so long since we've spoken and done this.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's been three minutes or anything since
Speaker 1: the last episode, but we returned to season two episode nine,
Speaker 1: Bound by Blood, which aired originally on February seventeen, Written
Speaker 1: by the Great Peter bin Swinger, directed by the also
Speaker 1: great Matthew Hastings, starring Katherine Matamara, Dominic sher with Albert
Speaker 1: was Andy, Matthew Gario and around be A, Isaiah Mustafa,
Speaker 1: Harry Sham Jr. Guest starring Elephant Sprang, Alicia Wayne Right,
Speaker 1: Ariana Williams, David castro Jas, Sooner, Vanessa, Matt Suey Next
Speaker 1: sig Are Josh war Vath and Lawrence Dickinson. You stuck,
Speaker 1: You stuck a breath in there, but it was a
Speaker 1: very Broadway breath. It was very good. I was listening
Speaker 1: for it because when I did this, I tried to
Speaker 1: get all of that plus the guest stars out in
Speaker 1: one breath, and I couldn't do it. But I smoked
Speaker 1: for a long time. So maybe that's why you've never
Speaker 1: done that, which I'm very proud of you for. But
Speaker 1: you right at the end, it was so close. I
Speaker 1: think it was between let me see here, it was
Speaker 1: between like Josh, It was between Nick and Josh, So
Speaker 1: it was like so close to getting all the way through.
Speaker 1: That should be a challenge. I want to I want
Speaker 1: to try and get one of these all the way
Speaker 1: through without having to breathe anyway. I digress. In this episode,
Speaker 1: Clary faces a world of trouble. Clary is sidelined. I
Speaker 1: need to bring it closer. I can can't see ship logline.
Speaker 1: Fucking honestly, got to bring things a little close, no kidding, yes, seriously, um,
Speaker 1: what happens in this episode, Clary faces a world of trouble.
Speaker 1: Clary is sidelined by Iris's blood oath, while the down
Speaker 1: world begins to fall apart, with word getting out that
Speaker 1: Clary is a key part of Valentine's plan. The down
Speaker 1: world as are odds on how to handle the issue,
Speaker 1: but when Iris activates her blood oath, Clary has more
Speaker 1: to worry about than hiding from Valentine and the down worlders. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Isabelle and Raphael get closer as Alec tries to figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on with his sister. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: it's going to be cut together perfectly. But if you
Speaker 1: guys could hear the fucking polava I just had trying
Speaker 1: to get that out. Nah, it was no one would
Speaker 1: ever hire me as a first time. It was perfect.
Speaker 1: I got nothing wrong. Goodness, no, never, you never do that.
Speaker 1: This is an interesting book to screen moment which I
Speaker 1: think we should kind of talk about. This is the
Speaker 1: first time we get to see the down World Council,
Speaker 1: which is a bigger deal in the book that it
Speaker 1: is in the show. But I thought they did a
Speaker 1: really beautiful job of it in the show, bringing in
Speaker 1: this sort of um you know, there's a representative from
Speaker 1: each of the down World communities and they come together
Speaker 1: and you know, deal with the shadow Hunters in their
Speaker 1: own way. It's a bit of United Nations of the
Speaker 1: Shadow World kind of thing. But the way that they
Speaker 1: do it in our show is so beautiful. They have
Speaker 1: all the banners and they bring it in in such
Speaker 1: a beautiful way. I can't remember if we actually see
Speaker 1: that full set up in this episode, but I can't
Speaker 1: remember that scene. If I'm honest, I'm very excited. But
Speaker 1: do you remember that, you know they do it sometimes
Speaker 1: in the training room, they transform it into the council
Speaker 1: room where they have the banner for each of the
Speaker 1: things in the big round table. I sort of vaguely
Speaker 1: remember one of those from season three where we all
Speaker 1: get each other's powers. It's similar to that, but not quite.
Speaker 1: Was I in the scene. I think we entered the
Speaker 1: scene it was. It was a point where we were
Speaker 1: dealing with the Seeley Queen and I had to come
Speaker 1: and in Sassa Lola and uh I did that a lot. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: here we are as the episode begins, we get to
Speaker 1: see where do I forget how it starts? Starts with
Speaker 1: you guys about to fuck it? Oh my god? Okay,
Speaker 1: can I just say it was fun for you, but
Speaker 1: it was fun for us too. But I'll tell you
Speaker 1: I got the scare of my life during this scene.
Speaker 1: The way that we shot it, because the canoe itself
Speaker 1: was so high up in the boat basin. In order
Speaker 1: to shoot Alberto's in my coverage, they set it up
Speaker 1: in just sort of a dark corner of the studio.
Speaker 1: They brought one of the canoes down and just stacked
Speaker 1: two of them on top of each other so the
Speaker 1: cameras could get in and around us more easily, and
Speaker 1: of course, as is want to do when you're nearing
Speaker 1: the end of season two on a series, and the
Speaker 1: crew and the cast is very close Albert and I,
Speaker 1: and I think it's in the Bloopers. Albert and I
Speaker 1: were doing the scene and mid making out and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, and Isaiah pops his head out from behind
Speaker 1: the canoe in the middle of a take and scares
Speaker 1: the living daylights out of me. Really good. You've ever
Speaker 1: had a parent walking on you making out with someone?
Speaker 1: That's that going? And it was never, That's never happened
Speaker 1: to me. No that I don't think that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm an adult now, like mom sees me kiss decks
Speaker 1: all the time, but like never in this never in
Speaker 1: a canoe day that much. It's never been My mom
Speaker 1: just texts me that's weird. Literally, as I was talking
Speaker 1: about it, someone's ears burning. I remember this scene being
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, and Alberto and I got to
Speaker 1: have so much fun with this, like annoyance with each other.
Speaker 1: We really got to play with it. Some of this
Speaker 1: is in the Bloopers as well. Yeah, nobody ever knocks
Speaker 1: in the shadow world. Nobody, But why would you knock
Speaker 1: at a boat basin? And it's not a standard place
Speaker 1: you would need to knock in. This is when he
Speaker 1: was in really good shape as well. I mean He's
Speaker 1: always been in fantastic shape. But he Alberto little little
Speaker 1: fun note. You know. I think it was right at
Speaker 1: the end of the It was in the mid season break.
Speaker 1: He got in such good shape that he got told
Speaker 1: to lose muscle mass. He had to slim up a
Speaker 1: little because he got in such phenomenal shape that he
Speaker 1: didn't look vampire anymore. He started to look a little
Speaker 1: more werewolf. And they were like, you need to slim
Speaker 1: up a little bit because he was. We were all
Speaker 1: so jealous when he turned up at the gym that
Speaker 1: day and turned it, took a shot off for the
Speaker 1: first time. We were like, it was wild. He had
Speaker 1: like wings, no joke, he had like wings of muscle
Speaker 1: down his back. Was insane to picture that. You know,
Speaker 1: our trainer, our trainer was doing the pull ups and
Speaker 1: his back is just zero. Yeah. That's the thing with
Speaker 1: Alberto too. He's he's always been such an athlete. He
Speaker 1: has so much he has so much muscle memory. He
Speaker 1: can sneeze near a weight and just be totally stab
Speaker 1: He's working out with new No again. Now I am too.
Speaker 1: Oh are you nice? Yeah? I forgot that. Clary hits
Speaker 1: you in the face with his shirt. Yeah, that was annoying,
Speaker 1: and that's an annoying thing to film. There were two
Speaker 1: two that are jumping to me right now, irritating face
Speaker 1: shots in the show. There was one was this one
Speaker 1: because ballistically don't ever fly where you want them to fly,
Speaker 1: Like ball off the shirt as tight as you can
Speaker 1: and try and launch it across the room. It's going
Speaker 1: to make it three ft and then open up like
Speaker 1: a parachute. And then I don't remember if you were
Speaker 1: here for this one. You remember that you had to
Speaker 1: have been there, because you open a portal to somewhere
Speaker 1: and like paper starts flying around the room. And they
Speaker 1: had a big fucking jet engine basically is what it
Speaker 1: looked like, like a massive six ft tall fan, and
Speaker 1: they were just throwing bits of like sort of half
Speaker 1: crumpled paper. But as soon as it hit the air,
Speaker 1: it got such velocity that it would hit me in
Speaker 1: the face and it felt like punched in the face.
Speaker 1: And I was trying to sort of do dialogue, and
Speaker 1: every now and then this thing would like crunch me
Speaker 1: in the face. And you can't really I think I
Speaker 1: was reading something. I was looking at you, you were
Speaker 1: looking at me, So it wasn't looking and so it
Speaker 1: catches you really by surprise. We'll have to talk about
Speaker 1: that when we reached the episode, because that was very
Speaker 1: poor planning because you had paper in the face and
Speaker 1: my hair was just was it. Yeah, we'll get there.
Speaker 1: That's we got another season before that. Um, currently, my
Speaker 1: hand is turning necrotic. Yeah, it's not good, not good,
Speaker 1: not good. Spot. I thought it looked like I thought
Speaker 1: it started in the middle of your hand for some reason,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't look great because she
Speaker 1: pricks my finger to sign the blood to take the Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that bit. So it starts from the point where she
Speaker 1: pricked my finger and then it goes from there. I
Speaker 1: do have to give Randy Doddlin and his team such
Speaker 1: a huge shout out for the practical effects, because that
Speaker 1: was the necrotic hand was done in stages practically throughout
Speaker 1: the episode, and they what they did the first time
Speaker 1: they did it, they just kind of painted it and
Speaker 1: did it manually. But then they started making patches, and
Speaker 1: so they prepaint these silicon patches and put them on
Speaker 1: my hand and put everything else and I don't know
Speaker 1: how much of it ended up in the episode. But Randy,
Speaker 1: we know his propensity for loving little gross details and
Speaker 1: just making it as gory as possible. We had one
Speaker 1: fingernail that was off and another one that was darribling,
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. They we did some exposed bone
Speaker 1: on different knuckles and it was fucking grim. There are things,
Speaker 1: there are some things no matter how gory it gets,
Speaker 1: there are some things that you're like first too much.
Speaker 1: Like I have a friend who can't it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how fake it is, how fake it looks. Cannot deal
Speaker 1: with throats being split, and he can't even do it
Speaker 1: with his eyes closed because the noise of that then
Speaker 1: sort of triggers him into this place. And for me,
Speaker 1: it's fingernails. Do you ever see a fingernail come off?
Speaker 1: And I've never lost a fingernail, so I don't know
Speaker 1: where this like trepid fear comes from, but it's something
Speaker 1: for me that I watched this movie the other day
Speaker 1: where zombie movie where the not the other day? I
Speaker 1: watched it years ago, but and I haven't watched it
Speaker 1: since because this one shot, one of the zombies scratches
Speaker 1: at like a door, and as they scratched it, all
Speaker 1: of their fingernails peel off the back of their hand,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's me done. I'm never watching
Speaker 1: this movie ever again. No, sorry, I think Alan's in
Speaker 1: it is true. I'm sure Allen's and everything and fucking
Speaker 1: everything good for him, but you know that is true.
Speaker 1: It's uh. I have it with with skin slices. If
Speaker 1: it was like a first cut, even made into a
Speaker 1: cadaver or somebody you know gets it, even just needles
Speaker 1: going into skin on him, I don't know what interesting
Speaker 1: the first one. If it happens the second time, you're
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, yeah, it's like the initial cut of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't that's so interesting. Have kins
Speaker 1: he tell you the story about how he, like cheese,
Speaker 1: grated his finger once and it came out in is
Speaker 1: it like Julienne when you made Julian potatoes and they
Speaker 1: come out in a little zig zag. He hit his
Speaker 1: finger with that and it took out a zigzag chunk
Speaker 1: of his hand. He has a photo of it. It's
Speaker 1: really grim to ask him to next time you see him,
Speaker 1: ask him to tell you about it. Go on. So
Speaker 1: Alex Kinsey, who actually has new music coming out as well,
Speaker 1: so make sure you can listen to that as and
Speaker 1: when it comes out. Hot Messes hands down like my
Speaker 1: favorite song of all time. So you need to if
Speaker 1: you're not already doing it, you're not already doing this,
Speaker 1: but as soon as you're done after this, going download
Speaker 1: and listen to hot Mess by I love hot mess
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorites. Show. Now, what's happening here?
Speaker 1: Magnus and Alec are talking and they're in the daylight,
Speaker 1: and I really like we get such a rare They
Speaker 1: started happening a little more through season two, but it
Speaker 1: was so rare that we got these like really nice,
Speaker 1: sort of seemingly naturally lit daytime scenes. This is in
Speaker 1: the studio because the balcony was in the studio, but
Speaker 1: it looks fantastic, and there's something really nice about the
Speaker 1: sort of dichotomy of like, it's what's it called, it's
Speaker 1: a pathetic fallacy where the weather directly relates to the
Speaker 1: emotions of the characters, Right, is that? Right? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think the one thing I learned in school is pathetic fallacy,
Speaker 1: and it's like locked in my brain somewhere. I can't
Speaker 1: do simultaneous equations or a tax, but simultaneous equations, that's
Speaker 1: up there, staying up there. Yeah, it looks fantastic. I
Speaker 1: love a good daytime scene. We come to Magnus for help.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening. They have they're having a nice moment
Speaker 1: and I need to help learning. Yeah, you're dying. It
Speaker 1: does look gross. Yeah, Les brulet is what it's called.
Speaker 1: The burnt flesh. Fantastic. Thanks Iris. Once the magic reaches
Speaker 1: your heart, you're a gonna Yeah, that's not good. No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have that long. It's moving like in the
Speaker 1: time it took us to get from the boat base
Speaker 1: into there. It's taken over most of your hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty quick. It doesn't say a timeline. It's probably
Speaker 1: smart filmmaking wise. Is it smart not to give it
Speaker 1: an exact like it's going to take exactly twelve minutes
Speaker 1: it's going to be dead. Sometimes you need that though,
Speaker 1: but not not in this case. Nicks back, Wait, welcome
Speaker 1: back alder Tree. Where was he for a whole episode?
Speaker 1: Good grief. I don't know man doing something nefarious, Like
Speaker 1: he has the Art of War on his book shelf
Speaker 1: and that's how we started it. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like that's that's his priority. Who's the Arts
Speaker 1: of War. But is it some sue? Yeah? Have you
Speaker 1: read The Arts of War? I have read parts of it.
Speaker 1: I had to read part of it for school, but
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever read the whole thing. To
Speaker 1: read the Arts of Wolf for school part of school.
Speaker 1: M hmm, International literature section. Yeah. Interesting. Um where were we?
Speaker 1: Back to older Tree? So he's getting his claws back
Speaker 1: into Isabel's situation. Yeah, this is creepy. This is a
Speaker 1: creepy little sub story. Yeah, but then we cut to
Speaker 1: Jade Wolf and Luke is is gone, Oh no, not
Speaker 1: again again. Some pickle just on the phone in the background. Awesome, Okay,
Speaker 1: some of my best work right there by the ducks again.
Speaker 1: I remember them. Oh that's right. It's because they put
Speaker 1: me by the ducks again. And I remember talking about
Speaker 1: it and they told me that it wasn't that they
Speaker 1: cut the scene from the previous episode. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just I'm not going to I guess I'm not
Speaker 1: going to react to them a second time. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. Don't cut it again. So they don't
Speaker 1: cut it again. Yeah, so it just got that whole
Speaker 1: like arc just got kind of next. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a fun little thing that he This is such
Speaker 1: a weird thing to be afraid of. Afraid of ducks,
Speaker 1: there you go, even dead ducks. It's true, it should be.
Speaker 1: But speaking of dead things, Clarie ends the scene by
Speaker 1: putting her foot down and saying, Simon's coming with them,
Speaker 1: because you know, if I'm gonna die, I'm going to
Speaker 1: have time in with me or something. Then I go
Speaker 1: to the boat basin to try and get him. But
Speaker 1: I will say this is one of my favorite scenes
Speaker 1: and one of the silliest scenes I ever had to do.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the with the vampire confiding a c G
Speaker 1: I with vampire werewolf. That's it with the werewolf. This
Speaker 1: was fine. You this fucked you up? Do you remember?
Speaker 1: I do? Remember I do. This is why you should
Speaker 1: always listen to Darren McGuire, because I didn't. I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be standing this whole fight, or sitting like
Speaker 1: I am here at first, and you know, as things go,
Speaker 1: when Simon passes me this boat or I ended up
Speaker 1: on my knee and Darren, after we blocked the scene,
Speaker 1: Darren said to me, he goes, you know, do you
Speaker 1: want to put on like a shin pad or something,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be a while, and you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna be and I went, no, I'm fine. I was
Speaker 1: My shin was black after because it was half a day. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's we've talked about this before as well,
Speaker 1: like it's part of it. You don't you don't feel
Speaker 1: it at the time. You have the adrenaline running through you.
Speaker 1: You're doing what you enjoy, like and the stunts became
Speaker 1: such a heavy part of what we do that you
Speaker 1: don't feel it at the time, but you, especially you
Speaker 1: Brew so easily. Aleshasa but this was I remember you
Speaker 1: showing me. I was like, that's bad, really bad. There
Speaker 1: you go. You learn, you learn, you gotta listen. I
Speaker 1: had one, not as bad as you, but I Bruce
Speaker 1: fairly easily also. And they had one in at the
Speaker 1: end of season three where I have to go to
Speaker 1: elbow someone and I'm supposed to miss and hit the
Speaker 1: wall behind them, and they were like, just don't hit
Speaker 1: the wall, and I was like, okay, I won't hit
Speaker 1: the wall, and then take number one sure enough, just
Speaker 1: went straight past it, put a little dink in the
Speaker 1: set like whatever, and did the rest of the scene.
Speaker 1: And they're like, I think it was either Darryn or
Speaker 1: Max who came up and said they'd seen it, and
Speaker 1: they went, you want some ice? And I was like, yes, please,
Speaker 1: please don't tell anyone, Yes, please had like some ice
Speaker 1: and some advilt, but don't say I would like some ice.
Speaker 1: And Advil shout out to Drew our set metic, who
Speaker 1: would sneak us? Advil and I at at need give
Speaker 1: it a moment, so you keep going, um, this is
Speaker 1: this scene. Though I do remember talking to Matt Hastings,
Speaker 1: who directed this, and to Darren about how we were
Speaker 1: going to do this, because obviously the werewolf is entirely
Speaker 1: c g I, but it can look really odd you're
Speaker 1: fighting something and there's nothing there. And we tried in
Speaker 1: a few different ways. So we did. We did a
Speaker 1: lot of takes, and I think what they ended up
Speaker 1: using were takes where I was just battling by myself. Um.
Speaker 1: But what we tried it first was they put they
Speaker 1: put one of our stunt doubles in a full green
Speaker 1: suit and had her be the werewolf and fight me,
Speaker 1: and I was I was glad we did that first
Speaker 1: because then I had at least felt what it was
Speaker 1: like to have somebody there and to have some force
Speaker 1: to kind of work against. But I think in the
Speaker 1: end they ended up not using her until there was
Speaker 1: the because there was that moment where she flies over
Speaker 1: the trash can um and they used her for that.
Speaker 1: I think this sprint too. You ran so fast at this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sprint essentially, this is in the bloopers as well.
Speaker 1: I was like trying to stop because it's all gravel
Speaker 1: out there. If you remember before, it's fully graveled, and
Speaker 1: the stop it was like it was like a four
Speaker 1: ft slide. And I managed to stop this lied right
Speaker 1: sort of on my mark, which is very rare for me.
Speaker 1: I very rarely hit my mark. It's just ask anyone
Speaker 1: I've ever worked with. It's I had this this camera
Speaker 1: operator Patrick, I should text so much. You see how
Speaker 1: he's doing on that on partner track, and he could,
Speaker 1: like by the end of the show, he would go,
Speaker 1: dumb that mark on the floor. It's not a fucking suggestion,
Speaker 1: all right, that's where you gotta stand. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: ship bad, you say, the nicest guy who's doing everything
Speaker 1: in jest obviously, but like he was right, I wasn't
Speaker 1: on my mark every time for camera team trying to
Speaker 1: adjust to me just being fucking useless the whole time.
Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, that's all right. And again the
Speaker 1: clever this is something again in Supernatural series that I
Speaker 1: always find charmingly funny when you know somebody's naked but
Speaker 1: they don't want to show it. There's just like a
Speaker 1: cleverly placed box. Yeah yeah, or or you know when
Speaker 1: it's pg. Thirteen and like you're like wearing underwear right
Speaker 1: after sex. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like when
Speaker 1: did your boxes come on? Like why is your why
Speaker 1: is your bra on? The sense at all? But like
Speaker 1: because it's Pg. Thirteen, that's why we're not allowed to
Speaker 1: show any of this, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: then you know Alicia wearing a rock solid Panda T
Speaker 1: shirt and a Simon hoodie. Yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: solid though, that she does such a good job here
Speaker 1: because this is the first, the first time we get
Speaker 1: to see this, Like she doesn't like being caged, right,
Speaker 1: she doesn't like being put in? Isn't she afraid of that?
Speaker 1: She's like intensely claustrophobic, And this is the first time
Speaker 1: we get to see a little element of that face
Speaker 1: sort of coming out in her, which I think is
Speaker 1: really cool and it's done very well, and it's this
Speaker 1: this thing too with you know, all of the down
Speaker 1: roaders in this episode have, particularly Simon and Luke, have
Speaker 1: such a conflict to confront here because technically speaking, Clary
Speaker 1: has to die to save the world. Yeah, if from
Speaker 1: what the characters know at this point, and that's why.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Meliorn Maya, everyone's trying to kill her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, given the fact that they're heroes and
Speaker 1: good people, they are trying to find another way. But
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. Do we save the personal work,
Speaker 1: do we save our our communities? Yeah? The acceptable loss? Right, Like,
Speaker 1: what do you I mean if Clary isn't a part
Speaker 1: of your direct community? That answer is fairly obvious, right,
Speaker 1: Like do you save your version of Clary? Or do
Speaker 1: you say this stranger who is Clary to somebody else?
Speaker 1: Like it's a fairly obvious answer. And then you get
Speaker 1: into the more sort of political military version of this,
Speaker 1: which is acceptable loss, like do you kill one to
Speaker 1: save two? Probably not? Do you kill want to save
Speaker 1: a hundred? Maybe? Do you kill want to save a thousand?
Speaker 1: Now you're starting to tip the vote a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, like that interesting. I think
Speaker 1: we've spoken about it before. Um, but that's sort of yeah,
Speaker 1: that interesting world where you like interesting, there is a
Speaker 1: number that you would say yes too. Yeah. It just
Speaker 1: depends on the person and the yeah and the parties
Speaker 1: involved this scene. There's so many scenes in the show
Speaker 1: that I've forgotten about this. That's one, for example, where
Speaker 1: Luke is like, I have to stay behind, and Clary
Speaker 1: is going, oh you're not are you past it? Okay? Well,
Speaker 1: where Luke goes, hey, I gotta stay behind, and you
Speaker 1: get to see once again father and daughters say goodbye
Speaker 1: because they both know that if they don't figure this out,
Speaker 1: if they don't find Madzie and Luca is technically our
Speaker 1: best tracker as well, but because the down world is
Speaker 1: also trying to kill Clary, that's the thing they have
Speaker 1: to do. And you see it. You see it in
Speaker 1: Isaiah's eyes, so clearly you can tell he's a dad.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just oh, dots back, oh, zombie dot Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot about zombie. Oh and we're taking the van.
Speaker 1: Oh this was that's right. This is Valentine's fun house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just fucking creepyr set. The one thing I remember on
Speaker 1: this set, and it sticks my mind so fervently, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's in this episode or or
Speaker 1: a later episode. I can't remember, but your chain to
Speaker 1: the floor at some point in this set, and it's
Speaker 1: I think the one and only time that I got
Speaker 1: you with the sword in the entire four years of filming,
Speaker 1: and I felt fucking dreadful. Really remember that I clipped
Speaker 1: you in the leg. I think, like I have to,
Speaker 1: I have to cut the chain. Yeah, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it's in this set because now, like my heart rate
Speaker 1: is going, I feel so guilty that it happened. But
Speaker 1: I clipped you in the leg and you you muscled
Speaker 1: through and like, you know, everything's fine, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: You did a very good job. But I still feel
Speaker 1: bad to this day about that because I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I got you. Well, if it makes you feel
Speaker 1: any better, I have no recollection of that. So it
Speaker 1: does make me feel a little bite poor Dot again
Speaker 1: one of those characters that just goes through it. But
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, team megap team fantastic job.
Speaker 1: But also that asked and I would always joke because
Speaker 1: she came back from the dead, so many times. I
Speaker 1: remember sitting there on this day talking to her, and
Speaker 1: she's going, this has got to be my last episode, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is got Like I'm just never know
Speaker 1: sci fi and fantasy, baby, you just never know. Like
Speaker 1: nobody really stays dead. Who stays dead on our show, Lilith?
Speaker 1: But only really because we didn't do a season four.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she would have come back. They fucking adored Anna. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I was going to say Jocelyn, but no, no, no,
Speaker 1: she comes back in a memory, gone but not gone,
Speaker 1: like the actor came back. M Valentine. Nope, got him back.
Speaker 1: Oh alder tree, We're an alder tree. We're an alder tree.
Speaker 1: Oh there it is. I found it. I was reading
Speaker 1: The Art of War now, just a slight bit of
Speaker 1: a symbolism, that little, yeah, little light reading. Do you
Speaker 1: think Sun Sue's family still get like a pushback? Do
Speaker 1: you think they get any money for us putting this in? Like?
Speaker 1: When was the Art of War? And let's see that.
Speaker 1: I mean it has to have been forever ago. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: You want to know when the Art of War was written?
Speaker 1: It's hard to know exactly when the Art of War
Speaker 1: was written. But most scholars think it was written between
Speaker 1: four seventy five and to twenty one b C. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's common law copyright. I think so. I
Speaker 1: want to say so. But also someone should do that
Speaker 1: tracking and see if Shadow Unt Zoe is the many
Speaker 1: money like family dream, Like, yeah, we are used seventeen
Speaker 1: dollars for using inflation or does it? Just imagine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you imagine like if it's the one like notice
Speaker 1: of the thing and it's like twelve million dollars or
Speaker 1: something insane? Oh my god, the entire budget of an episode. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: So now moving on from that because we don't want
Speaker 1: to any past past two before we get everyone in trouble. Um,
Speaker 1: we have Isabelle and Raphael making Tomlis to malays. Also,
Speaker 1: can we just talk about Raphael's apartment real quick and
Speaker 1: how fantastic it is? Okay in New York as well.
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how expensive New York is
Speaker 1: unless you live in New York. It is wild, like
Speaker 1: what I spent I spent eight months filming Partner Track
Speaker 1: there and it the rent Like I I almost punched
Speaker 1: the lady in the face when she told me how
Speaker 1: much I was playing for end. I was like, you
Speaker 1: had in your mind, I want to I want to
Speaker 1: rent it. I don't want to buy it as a condo.
Speaker 1: And they were like, no, that's the price per month.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh fuck me, holy sh it. Okay,
Speaker 1: well there you go. Just cost of living in New
Speaker 1: York is so much anyway. But you know, vampires don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about that. Really, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: Another pro vampire thing. Oh and then Luke goes all
Speaker 1: tough love with Maya. This is what you were talking about.
Speaker 1: How you get to see her come to the surface.
Speaker 1: But at least he leaves their snacks. I've got lots
Speaker 1: of snacks, lots and lots of snacks. She does do
Speaker 1: such a good job in these scenes again same as Nicola,
Speaker 1: like it's very it's all just very like real, it's
Speaker 1: very grounded, it's very raw. She does such a beautiful
Speaker 1: job with all of these moments. And here's the park.
Speaker 1: So last episode I mentioned, oh there's that park. Now
Speaker 1: we're back at this tracking dads and we're trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. I do love the sort of relationship
Speaker 1: that you two have in this episode. It brings me
Speaker 1: so much joy. You both do such a great job
Speaker 1: at that writing that line of this this triangle. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think this would have worked if we disliked
Speaker 1: each other in real life. Oh no, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a way that this could happen. Like, you have to.
Speaker 1: We talk We talked about it all the time. It's
Speaker 1: all about trusting the person who's working with you and
Speaker 1: them trusting you and proving to them that they can
Speaker 1: trust you and vice versa. Like there's no there's no
Speaker 1: other world to that that this relationship works. Like you
Speaker 1: have to, you have to you have to trust that
Speaker 1: person well, and you know, we talked about this all
Speaker 1: the time with the show, but we were so lucky
Speaker 1: because all of us fell into that trusting kind of
Speaker 1: relationship very quickly and each of these that's why each
Speaker 1: of these relationships on the show means so much and
Speaker 1: why I think the audience connects so much to them
Speaker 1: as well, because we trust each other and it allowed
Speaker 1: us to kind of go to places and play with
Speaker 1: things and find moments that otherwise we wouldn't have if
Speaker 1: we had our guards up. Yeah, I agree. Also remember this,
Speaker 1: remember this truck and how it smelled like gasoline? The
Speaker 1: whole time. Yeah, we can never really figure out exactly
Speaker 1: why it smelled like gasoline because it run like it
Speaker 1: was functioned. But there was definitely a gas leak in
Speaker 1: it somewhere yep. And inevitably, every time we did a
Speaker 1: scene in there, we'd always get a little bit delirious
Speaker 1: as a kite. And this scene we actually shot so
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if folks know this, but
Speaker 1: so we shot this scene inside our studio on the
Speaker 1: blue screen. But as you can see, the van is
Speaker 1: still moving when you so this scene, Simon Jason Clary
Speaker 1: are in the pandavans. They're driving to the next location
Speaker 1: trying to find Massie, but they know they're running out
Speaker 1: of time, and you know, Clari is going, look if
Speaker 1: it costs me my life, just don't let the down
Speaker 1: world go to waste, you know, don't let it be wasted.
Speaker 1: But technically speaking, the van is moving as though the
Speaker 1: word driving down a road. What it actually is is
Speaker 1: it consists of a lot of our our grips and
Speaker 1: a lot of our crew members outside the van bumping
Speaker 1: into it and rugby tackling it as hard as rugby
Speaker 1: tackling the van over and overcame basically like our six
Speaker 1: biggest crew members, like our biggest, strongest dudes, and they
Speaker 1: were like, hey, come on, we're gonna like shoulder barge this. Normally.
Speaker 1: This is like a low budget way of doing it. Normally,
Speaker 1: what would happen is you put it on something called
Speaker 1: a gimbal, which is a big machine, and it literally
Speaker 1: does this underneath it and it like drives. You've seen cars, you,
Speaker 1: I promise you every listener out there has seen a
Speaker 1: car in a gimble at some point, because if you've
Speaker 1: ever seen someone driving and doing this with the steering wheel,
Speaker 1: cars on a gimbal, whether it's on the street or
Speaker 1: not on the street, because nobody drives like this, because
Speaker 1: you'd be doing this on the road, be going all
Speaker 1: over the place. Um, that was very visual, and I'm
Speaker 1: aware of that, and we're doing a podcast. I'm aware
Speaker 1: that that was a very visual thing for me to do.
Speaker 1: But you know what, maybe we'll chake picture well I
Speaker 1: think so, yeah, thanks clear And just at the end
Speaker 1: of the scene, Clary slowly just passes out. That might
Speaker 1: have just been you, That might have been a youth
Speaker 1: thing like you were getting more ghastline than the rest
Speaker 1: of us. You just slowly went out, she goes. So
Speaker 1: now we're back with the down world counts. But instead
Speaker 1: we don't have the room at the institute yet, so
Speaker 1: they're at Hunters. Mhmm. Here's what they did with this
Speaker 1: Milion's look in this is fucking unreal. Like the change
Speaker 1: here with the armor and the scar across his face.
Speaker 1: This looks so good, so so good. He's just so
Speaker 1: unequivocally badass. He always makes an entrance and just the
Speaker 1: presence with which he brings every moment that he gets
Speaker 1: as Meliorn, I just can't get over it. Calm, it's
Speaker 1: the calm mhm, brilliant stuff. Also, why is he the
Speaker 1: only one who brought back up buddies? Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: all confident enough to not need it otherwise. I can't
Speaker 1: believe you gave way my jacket, Rascal. I know the
Speaker 1: holsters as well. I miss putting putting my holsters on
Speaker 1: every day. I miss it too. There was something really
Speaker 1: cool about it. It made me feel like him and
Speaker 1: made me feel badass. I missed doing it. I was
Speaker 1: on the see that's much clary dead Okay, well, dang it.
Speaker 1: And Mayas Mays having a moment. Alicia does such beautiful
Speaker 1: work here, and it's it's the way it's so phrenetically
Speaker 1: cut together and the way it's shot with the fan
Speaker 1: doing that oscillating light throughout the scene, quite honest and lovely.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forget she because she will stout at
Speaker 1: the end. That's right, just to tear the place to shreds.
Speaker 1: That's always fun when you get to have a scene
Speaker 1: where they just go just destroy. Everything's breakable, break everything
Speaker 1: is breakaway, except I have a seen like this in
Speaker 1: season three. Everything's breakable and it no, it fucking wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. There was one thing that wasn't. I punched
Speaker 1: the ship out of that thing and split my knuckles open.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, that's the one. And they
Speaker 1: literally gave to you after as they were like, literally
Speaker 1: the one thing, the one thing, this is the one
Speaker 1: thing that is unbreakable. Like, sorry, yeah, did you I've
Speaker 1: totally forgot about the run up the van that Alberto
Speaker 1: does in this next thing New Vamp runs up the
Speaker 1: front of the van. Yeah, so, which was awesome. What
Speaker 1: are you watching? Sorry, I'm Simon and Clarie on top
Speaker 1: of the van and just given our van conversation earlier.
Speaker 1: The first thing I say in the scene is if
Speaker 1: I'm going to die, it's not going to be in
Speaker 1: this van. Thank you Pete been swinger because he picks
Speaker 1: up on every detail. I mean, it's a really lovely
Speaker 1: scene between you two, though, really lovely. I remember, Yeah,
Speaker 1: both of you do a really fucking good job here.
Speaker 1: This was in the studio. I was here this here
Speaker 1: this day for some reason because I'm not in this scene.
Speaker 1: But I don't know why I was here, but I
Speaker 1: remember watching it and being like, Wow, this is this
Speaker 1: is fucking awesome. Thank you. It's one of those things
Speaker 1: where the our crew was so wonderful with this, and
Speaker 1: we had so many directors that were great with us.
Speaker 1: They would just give us the space to to really
Speaker 1: play out these emotional things and to go there and
Speaker 1: stay there and be in that space. I miss getting
Speaker 1: to play with you guys. Yeah, I mean too, me too.
Speaker 1: What are you guys arguing about Magnus and Alec arguing
Speaker 1: about something Alter Tree? I want to say, No, it's
Speaker 1: a she thing, something to do with she. Maybe Iris
Speaker 1: Isabel as a warlock. They were talking about a warlock.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be Iris. I think they're talking about because Isabel
Speaker 1: went because he knows that Isabel's after you, Infann because
Speaker 1: she went to the Hunter's Moon to try and get
Speaker 1: it off a warlock because he's got the warlock to
Speaker 1: the ground of Warlock. And they figure out that she's
Speaker 1: going to Raphael because Meliorn called out Raphael for fratt
Speaker 1: nosing with Isabel and Magnus. There it is. There, it
Speaker 1: is again with the treats. Again with the treats. Ariana's
Speaker 1: a little smirk gets me every time. Is this the
Speaker 1: scene you were talking about with Alan? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was actually Matt Hastings's idea and did a very
Speaker 1: good job. He wanted that he like gun slingers, right,
Speaker 1: so like you sat at the poker table and you
Speaker 1: just you just get your trigger fingers sort of hovering
Speaker 1: over the trigger of your gun but not quite there yet.
Speaker 1: But you have to be smiling because nobody else can
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen until it happens. And it
Speaker 1: was I remember this being a really cool scene and
Speaker 1: it was something new for us because normally it is
Speaker 1: all blood and guts right away, you know, fighting whatever,
Speaker 1: and this was a nice sort of change of pace.
Speaker 1: Where it did get to be very still still very tense,
Speaker 1: but very still. Yeah, and once again you have the
Speaker 1: ace in the hole going, hey, sure you can do
Speaker 1: everything you want, but Claire is going to die. Claire
Speaker 1: is going to die, and she's your she's your tool.
Speaker 1: You two are so fantastic. You wouldn't kill your falcon
Speaker 1: when you're a boy. Get out of my face with that.
Speaker 1: Keep throwing in the falcon. Get out of my face?
Speaker 1: You kidding me? Where is my falcon? Yeah? Where is
Speaker 1: your falcon? I think Decca has it. I definitely stole
Speaker 1: it from set. I remember that because it was big
Speaker 1: and heavy and uncomfortable, and I remember trying to stuff
Speaker 1: it in my jacket and that was hard work. Ah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this apartment, man, you had your mind. An apartment not
Speaker 1: only big enough to have a grand piano in it
Speaker 1: in New York is going to cost you a fortune.
Speaker 1: But they're enough to have a grand piano and then
Speaker 1: some with like extra space. No way, you're out of
Speaker 1: your mind. As Yeah, brutal tum. Oh man, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: want him coming at you, Matt. He's a big dude
Speaker 1: and he's very athletic. You wouldn't want him to be
Speaker 1: mad at you, you know what I mean. I don't
Speaker 1: think he would ever. I think he's too intelligent to
Speaker 1: ever throw a punch at someone. But you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: him to. No, he'd be one of those quiet ones too,
Speaker 1: because he's he's yeah, most because I've seen Matt Doocen
Speaker 1: where like this. Yeah, and you know, once he's it's
Speaker 1: he's just so good at damn all, he's already going
Speaker 1: for it. Well, and you know between him and David,
Speaker 1: you know they're both going to commit. And then Harry
Speaker 1: comes in it does that? Oh yeah, oh oh, some
Speaker 1: real serious stuff. Alec angry, Alec pisted it both rafaelam Magnus.
Speaker 1: Magnus is in a difficult spot. You know, he cares
Speaker 1: for Rafael, but Rafael also did a bad things much
Speaker 1: as he tried to go against it. Yeah. Like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's anger is misplaced necessarily, or I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's anger is unjustified, but it is misplaced
Speaker 1: maybe maybe ye. Well, and all of the down worlders
Speaker 1: are in a really heightened spot because there they just
Speaker 1: learned that their entire existence could evaporate at any second
Speaker 1: given the Soul Sword. So it's you know, everything's a
Speaker 1: little bit more intensified at this point. That beautiful car.
Speaker 1: Why didn't we see that car anymore? It's like a
Speaker 1: classic Lincoln. I guess it's I guess it's Rafael's. But like,
Speaker 1: why didn't we put that in more? At such a
Speaker 1: cool car. It may not have been hours. It may
Speaker 1: have been a just for this episode, for the shot
Speaker 1: for this car, and then never see it again. Never
Speaker 1: had like we had the Va, but we never had
Speaker 1: like a Shadow Hunters mobile, which I think was a
Speaker 1: wasted opportunity. Well shadow and just don't drive. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we changed a lot of things. I drive one time,
Speaker 1: drove up with the bloody nose. You drive, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like I figured it then, I would, Yeah, I drive.
Speaker 1: I drive one time right lamp post um. I would
Speaker 1: have figured it out. Maybe not the best idea at
Speaker 1: Alec knows how to drive, Yeah, but he knows, but
Speaker 1: he just won't do it. Yeah, it's none. I'm still dying,
Speaker 1: dying slowly. Yeah. They added these patches of it right
Speaker 1: at the end. They added a patch up my neck
Speaker 1: and catch it down like these fingers reaching down towards
Speaker 1: my heart. Yeah, you don't go long I'll touch your
Speaker 1: face with my good hand. Yeah, like yeah, just simon
Speaker 1: being the German phol. This is how much he loves
Speaker 1: you because he's like, oh yeah, you can. Like is
Speaker 1: it contagious though, because it looks like I don't wanna
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the right option here, Ah,
Speaker 1: straight into the arms, okay, And so this shot as
Speaker 1: Clarie and Madsig reconnect and the blow to this healed.
Speaker 1: We we had to do the scene of my hand
Speaker 1: transforming back at the last minute. Was one of those
Speaker 1: reshoot days where we didn't have a lot of time
Speaker 1: and we were picking up all the spots on do
Speaker 1: you remember this? So Sarah our stand in our female
Speaker 1: stand in the healed hand you see is actually her
Speaker 1: hand because mine had all the gross stuff on it.
Speaker 1: And then she knelt behind me and hid under the
Speaker 1: camera and I put my hand behind me and she,
Speaker 1: you know whose line is it anyway, style, stuck her
Speaker 1: hand through mine and just held it up. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Luke popped his shoulder, didn't he. So towards the end
Speaker 1: there are a couple like someone else's arm I think
Speaker 1: literally at the end, someone else's arm through Luke's jacket
Speaker 1: when we when we have Luke on the show, we'll
Speaker 1: have to talk to him about this, because what it
Speaker 1: was is they literally wrapped his stunt double in a
Speaker 1: green sheet and put on the green screen and then
Speaker 1: had this double stick the I don't know, we'll have
Speaker 1: to have Luke explain it. He's got a video somewhere.
Speaker 1: But now we're back in Valentine's fun House of Horrors.
Speaker 1: Here it is, this is the scene. This is the
Speaker 1: scene where I have to do your chain. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I missed how we got here? How did
Speaker 1: we get here? So we got here. So as soon
Speaker 1: as Madzie Madie heals me, we poured it away and
Speaker 1: we're back in the Carnival of Horrors. Because you bribe
Speaker 1: a girl with enough frozen hot chocolate and she'll bring
Speaker 1: you your angel daughter. Apparently, how did they get all
Speaker 1: that ship in there? And this is the studio right,
Speaker 1: This is Studio B. This is Studio B. But remember
Speaker 1: they would just open an elephant door and they could
Speaker 1: bring all of it in because that we never saw
Speaker 1: them open hardly, but they were kind of on the
Speaker 1: far side between all this stuff collapses and all of
Speaker 1: this stuff can like you woh, I was like, how
Speaker 1: did you get a merry go around in there? But
Speaker 1: I guess it will kind of comes apart and how
Speaker 1: they move it in pieces. Yeah, I remember we all
Speaker 1: had probably an hour or two just to run around
Speaker 1: and take pictures on this set and just literally horse around.
Speaker 1: It was too much fun. I think they sort of
Speaker 1: let us do it on purpose too, because they knew
Speaker 1: if we if they didn't give us time to do it,
Speaker 1: we would do it while we were working instead. I remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: the first time I saw like my bedroom set, Silk
Speaker 1: was like everything in here is practical, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He was like everything like the
Speaker 1: pull up bars, the punch bag, like everything has been
Speaker 1: made so it works. And I was like, oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: Why did you do that? And they were like, because
Speaker 1: we know you. The first thing you're going to do
Speaker 1: is jump up on the pull up bar and start
Speaker 1: doing pull ups and if it wasn't attached, you gonna
Speaker 1: rip it right out of the roof. I was like,
Speaker 1: you right, or kick the bag or something. And so
Speaker 1: they don't proved it, they domproved it. They did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bless him a nice little face off. Father. Daughter been like, hey,
Speaker 1: could you could you have a slice of humanity? He
Speaker 1: goes no, Um, oh yeah, then Jason Simon are trying
Speaker 1: to find Clary as always? What these creatures very vampires? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Were they? Why don't they have all this stuff on
Speaker 1: their face? Hold on, it was a vampire and a
Speaker 1: sey No, No, they're just I'm pretty sure they're just vampires.
Speaker 1: Might be vampires addicted the infan No, it's goin on here,
Speaker 1: let's find out. Oh, it's the uprising, the beginning of
Speaker 1: the uprising, beginning of the Downwold Uprising. There must be
Speaker 1: listeners who watched the show, and it's like screaming as
Speaker 1: you fucking idiot, How do you not know? It's the
Speaker 1: creatures from valentine Zoo. Yeah, we know. We did a
Speaker 1: lot of episodes. It's been a lot of years. It's
Speaker 1: been a lot of years. Yeah, because this is basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: Valentine's trying to create a situation in which people want
Speaker 1: the downworld to disappear. See, they don't look like normal vampires. No,
Speaker 1: so these are Valentine's experiments from Chernobyl. So these guys
Speaker 1: saw all the cages that you saw in Valentine's bow
Speaker 1: and all the stuff and the people you saw kind
Speaker 1: of around edges of the carnival there, they're his you know,
Speaker 1: creations that he's unfishing on the world to to show
Speaker 1: how bad demons are basically or anything with demonic blood.
Speaker 1: They look a little like vampires and a little like
Speaker 1: werewolves and a little so it's sort of indeterminate downworlder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, Jace, Yeah, and Simon, let's go look
Speaker 1: at us working together. Oh that takedown, we'd go, Wow,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of anger in this episode. Yeah, Luke
Speaker 1: in to save the day. My hair in this episode
Speaker 1: has changed lengths like three different times. What's going on?
Speaker 1: That is mental? What is happening. I'm into it. I'm
Speaker 1: super into it. And then back to Maya who gets out.
Speaker 1: Poor Maya shared a rough time and now you finally
Speaker 1: found the carnival. H Oh. We have Alex facing off
Speaker 1: of Alder Tree once and f all oh because now
Speaker 1: he knows what Alder Tree is hiding. Correct, correct, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's why he was so in tune with the infan
Speaker 1: Aldert Tree was an ex field medic from the War
Speaker 1: of the Uprising. That's what it was. These little details man,
Speaker 1: way to go, Pete Way to go, Pete. I love
Speaker 1: Pete's dialogue. Every time there's a Pete ben Signer episode,
Speaker 1: I can tell Yeah, we're back in creepy Carnival. This
Speaker 1: is where I got. Yeah, I feel bad. I remember
Speaker 1: it all happening. Oh man, I could probably count the
Speaker 1: times that I hit someone on the show on one
Speaker 1: hand and this was one of them. Sorry again, don't
Speaker 1: don't even don't worry about it. Oh he's so at
Speaker 1: the freezing moment. These are hard work that when you
Speaker 1: get frozen in place, they're hard work. Yeah, I forgot that.
Speaker 1: Alberto got to fight Alan mhm, little little vampi Valentine fistfight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets some fun Alberto Allen fights stuff or not
Speaker 1: fight stuff, but they get some fun scenes together. Oh
Speaker 1: that's right. Little foreshadowing there that he hasn't by the throat,
Speaker 1: by the throat and by the forehead. Oh interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well spotted. And that's the end of the episode. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. Valentine drags Simon through a portal. Oh dear, yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff going on. Poor little misguided Madsie. You know,
Speaker 1: she's just trying to get some hot chokolate. She doesn't
Speaker 1: know raised the wrong way. It's not her fault. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: nobody's born evil, you know what I mean. Well, next
Speaker 1: episode is the end of the first half of season two,
Speaker 1: and I can't believe we're already this far. But next
Speaker 1: episode is a big one. I don't know if if
Speaker 1: you remember, but there's a lot do you remember? I remember?
Speaker 1: Lots of stuff happening. Um, well, but that's for next episode,
Speaker 1: which we are filming tomorrow, so we don't have to
Speaker 1: wait very long. You guys have to wait for a while,
Speaker 1: but we don't have to wait, It's true. But we
Speaker 1: will see you tomorrow. Yes, we will thank you again. Bye.
Speaker 1: Returned to the Shadows is hosted an executive produced by Me,
Speaker 1: Katherine McNamara, and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Langley.
Speaker 1: Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our
Speaker 1: producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermeilia, and our intern
Speaker 1: is Sam Katz. Original music by Alex Kinsey and performed
Speaker 1: by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara.