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Speaker 1: This one Bills Live presented by KLIA Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, it's a new week here One Bill's Drive,

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

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Speaker 3: One Bill's Live is the program. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: We're here with you until three this afternoon Eastern time,

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Speaker 2: and we will be diving into the last preseason outing

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Speaker 2: by your Buffalo Pills as they fell to the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: Steelers by a final it's twenty seven to fifteen, and

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Speaker 2: we know there was some good, there was some bad,

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Speaker 2: and there was some ugly.

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Speaker 3: We'll be the first to admit.

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Speaker 2: That, and we do want your takeaways, both good and bad.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you feel is necessary to mention. We're here to

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Speaker 2: take anything and everything at eight h three oh five

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Speaker 2: point fifty one eight eight eight five point fifty two,

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Speaker 2: five fifty the numbers to get on board. So feel

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Speaker 2: free to weigh in with your thoughts on maybe the

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Speaker 2: state of one side of the ball or the other.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps a player that you had your eye on, that

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Speaker 2: you were pretty pleased with their performance, a player that

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Speaker 2: maybe opened your eyes and you think should get more

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Speaker 2: consideration for the fifty three man roster when those decisions.

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Speaker 3: Are made eight days from now.

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Speaker 2: That's right final cutdown August twenty ninth, in one fell

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Speaker 2: swoop to fifty three.

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Speaker 1: Thirty seven guys. Now they'll sign guys back. But I'll

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Speaker 1: say this too. One of the things I've noticed over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years is that we always worry

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna wow, if we put this guy on

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Speaker 1: the practe squad, we'll lose, and we'll lose that guy

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Speaker 1: will lose this guy. It maybe happens once every three teams.

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Speaker 1: Your team's not gonna get poached. Where all the guys

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Speaker 1: they want on the practice squad because these other teams

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Speaker 1: they want to get into the regular season with guys

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Speaker 1: who know their system. So if something happens, you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna have a guy come in and sprint to your

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Speaker 1: active roster not knowing anything about the playbook, not in

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Speaker 1: week one anyway. So they're gonna they're gonna cut guys,

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Speaker 1: and I'm thirty seven guys is a lot. I remember.

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Speaker 1: I say it every year. I remember, you come out

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Speaker 1: day cut down day, It's like we don't even have

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Speaker 1: enough guys to feel a team. I was always shocked

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Speaker 1: by how few guys are fifty three man roster, is

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like nobody you don't have enough guys

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna you know, you've been running practice. There's

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Speaker 1: is like vacant. It's like a skeleton crew. So it's

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Speaker 1: a hard day. Certainly this is going to be no different.

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Speaker 1: And I know people, and I know you were just

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Speaker 1: like this over the weekend. We got back like what

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Speaker 1: one a one thirty am. I got home at like

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Speaker 1: one thirty am Sunday morning, yesterday morning, all day yesterday

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Speaker 1: and on text loops mess everybody's like just fit to

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Speaker 1: be tied over the bad game they play. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you know we all have I heard it all. I

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Speaker 1: heard all of it. The thing I will say about

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Speaker 1: team looked like, Man, I don't want to play. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to be playing the Pittsburgh Steelers. I want

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Speaker 1: want to play this game. I want I want this

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Speaker 1: This whole team and the whole vibe around this building

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Speaker 1: that I've noticed all the way back to the Cincinnati game.

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Speaker 1: Just get me to another playoff swing, Just get me

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Speaker 1: another swing at that thing. And I think that's where

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Speaker 1: this mentality was for just a minute, for a hot second.

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Speaker 1: This last Saturday. They got out there. It's Pittsburgh. We

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Speaker 1: and we got man get me to opening to the

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Speaker 1: opening day. I really felt like the vibe was they

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Speaker 3: There, you know what I mean. Yeah, but that's not

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Speaker 3: how you get back to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: By just by You can't be thinking about the playoffs

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Speaker 2: in week one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.

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Speaker 3: You can'tnot say that you won't get there. If you're

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Speaker 1: Say this, you're thinking, let's go give me a game

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Speaker 1: that matters. Because I'm playing. I'm used to playing in

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Speaker 1: Let's get to one of those. They were and they

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Speaker 1: now they cleaned it up. And I will say this,

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Speaker 1: they cleaned it up massively. In the second half, they

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Speaker 1: incidentally threw his who threw his glasses into the garbage

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Speaker 1: at the halftime. You knew where those I mean, you

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Speaker 1: talk about a bad luck thing. Those glasses are never

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Speaker 1: going to see the light of day again. But they have.

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Speaker 1: He gave him a he I don't know because I

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Speaker 1: we don't know. But I'm telling you something came out.

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Speaker 1: They came out in the second half. They had one

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Speaker 2: Well, you also have second and third teamers playing that

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Speaker 2: are scraping to make this roster. That's number one, so

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Speaker 2: the incentive is already built in. And coach McDermott at

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Speaker 2: halftime basically told them you got a chance to make

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Speaker 2: which is basically a shot across the bow to all

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Speaker 2: the starters, like, hey, what you did wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 3: Now these guys got more of an opportunity the windows.

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Speaker 1: So you're agreeing with me because the guys who played

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Speaker 1: in the second half, they did want to play the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: They did want a piece of those guys, and they

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, like because I used to.

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Speaker 1: I used to get really upset in the preseason after

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Speaker 1: these games. We'd go out and lose to Sisters of

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, they're giving You're giving me

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Speaker 1: fire all our guns, you know, let's go. I know,

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Speaker 1: and I could feel it. Man. I just felt like

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Speaker 1: they were just disinterested in playing a game that didn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Now there's no I mean, you can say what you want.

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Speaker 1: They should have been their pro I know they're professionals,

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Speaker 1: but man oh, man, I that game to me. W

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Speaker 3: So what does that mean for Saturday?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 3: I mean, if they were done.

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Speaker 1: With it last weekend, I mean, let me say that

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Speaker 1: you and I better lay low because they may ask

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Speaker 1: us to play because ain't nobody else gonna play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because there were some questions being asked right after

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Speaker 2: Saturday's game by the media. You know, with the performance

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Speaker 2: play in the preseason finale to make sure you have

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Speaker 2: it all buttoned up?

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Speaker 1: Let me just say this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not expecting it. I'm not acting at myself.

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Speaker 1: Guys, they listen, They yeah, And I'll say this, I

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Speaker 1: told you this the other day, maybe on the maybe

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Speaker 1: on the bus going to the air, maybe on the chart.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but that I think that this kind

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Speaker 1: ready to go. I don't think this was a signal

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Speaker 1: it is a stark reminder even in the preseason and

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get it knocked off.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If you don't bring it, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, if you don't show up fully invested, it shows big.

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Speaker 3: There are no days off in the NFL, no days.

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Speaker 1: And they got they got to remind it of it.

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Speaker 2: We got some people waiting for us at eight oh three,

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Speaker 2: If TSA will jump right on the phones here, got

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Speaker 2: an open line or two for you there though, if

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Speaker 2: takeaways from Saturday's preseason game against the Steelers. We'll lead

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Speaker 2: off with Big slim in Saint Pete. What do you

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Speaker 2: got for us?

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Speaker 3: Big Slim?

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Speaker 6: Hey, what's going on? Brownie? What's going on? Mister Hall

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Speaker 6: of Famer? I love your I'm gonna get a shirt

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Speaker 6: like that. You know, yo, it's pre season. It's pre season.

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Speaker 6: I don't care what we did. I still love the Bills,

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Speaker 6: Go Bills. The reason I called today, I want Steven

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Speaker 6: A to call you all show he supposedly has sources.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if y'all heard sources about the whole

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Speaker 6: dig thing. Diggs don't want to be on Buffalo. I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna hang up. I want to hear what y'all say.

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Speaker 6: I don't like it. Go Bills Mofield to the super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks, thanks Slim.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw we saw that too. Steven A. Smith

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Speaker 1: who is an ESPN guy, and he says, he says,

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Speaker 1: Stepf's fed up once out and and wants to get

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Speaker 1: traded or whatever, and says, he I believe that when

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Speaker 1: I see it, I don't see it.

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Speaker 3: You can't get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Well he's not going to, you know, he can't, not

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Speaker 1: unless the club says okay, but.

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Speaker 2: Well no, but just based on the money, it's too

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Speaker 2: crippling on the cap.

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Speaker 1: For the Bills to do that. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I'll I just I have a hard time believing it.

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Speaker 1: You look around the league of why would he want out?

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Speaker 1: I mean, he says, well, because their windows. Their window

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Speaker 1: is not closing. Their window. They've got a quarterback and

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver who are in the absolute prime of

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Speaker 1: their careers. They are taking a swing at it every

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Speaker 1: single year. They have for like the three years, and

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Speaker 1: they're going to do it for another three years. They're

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Speaker 1: going to be in the middle of this playoff hunt

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Speaker 1: with Kansas City with since to Nattie, with Baltimore with

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Speaker 1: midst of this thing every single year. There ain't no

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Speaker 1: way you can convince me that a guy who's been

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Speaker 1: through what he's been through like Steph has with Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen this crew, is he's ready to get out. That's

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Speaker 1: crazy to me. Now he says he's got sources, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it.

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Speaker 2: I think we do have to remember at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day that Stephen A. Smith is paid to

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Speaker 2: pull down ratings. Chiefly, I know he does have a

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Speaker 2: reporter background, having been an NBA I want to order

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Speaker 2: for a long time, and I'm sure he does have sources.

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Speaker 1: But the only reason he's the reason he said that

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Speaker 1: today is because they threw a stinker up on a

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Speaker 1: preseason Why didn't he have this information like three weeks ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Why he's got to wait until everybody's piling on the

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Speaker 2: Josh looked good throwing the ball. It's the offensive drives

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Speaker 2: I think we've said all we need to say about that.

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Speaker 2: Vegas next.

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Speaker 3: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 1: John?

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, how you doing good?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 8: Spread shiate you guys taking my call. I just I guys,

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Speaker 9: One was Kay you're at ELM being uh maybe traded

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Speaker 8: Would be something, you know, that we could utilize.

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Speaker 10: I mean doesn't really he really didn't have the best

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Speaker 8: Jackson's pretty much going to the field that position, which

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Speaker 7: Better for the future. Our middle linebacker.

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Speaker 10: Position truly needs a lot of help. But I think

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks, John, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: John, You've echoed kind of the stereotypical questions about what's

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Speaker 1: Alec Anderson played cat tackle in college, but now they've

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Speaker 1: You're right, I mean, I think there is a question

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Speaker 2: Were in pads, Yeah, his game really didn't show up

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Speaker 2: when people are always asking us about players who were like, well,

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Speaker 2: And I think Dorian Williams is an example of that.

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Speaker 3: I'm also not trading Kyrie eel Yeah, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I'm gonna point you to is the

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Speaker 2: Where have the Jets been the last seven years devoid

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Speaker 2: you will pay the price for it. It's very hard

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Speaker 1: And I see where you're going. You think a first

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't either. You certainly are deep at corner. In

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Speaker 3: Not as deep as you are a defensive end, right Trey.

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Speaker 2: He's learning second year player, and I know people are like,

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Speaker 2: So I think it's premature to even consider moving him

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Speaker 3: That's number one, you.

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Speaker 2: Want to move one of those defensive ends to get

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Speaker 3: I'll listen to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're like.

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Speaker 3: He's good enough to play in this league.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the guy makes a tackle in coverage

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they may resort to see what's out there when

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Speaker 1: What do you have? Greg?

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Speaker 4: Hey, good day guys, Chris Brown, great job, call it

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Speaker 4: a game on the radio, Steve, Steve dout and listen

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Speaker 3: The checks in the mail, Greg, thank you, Massy?

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Speaker 1: How it is all right?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 4: Are they paid dyed Hives for this year? Do you

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Look, I know Brandon Bean was asked about that specifically

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Speaker 3: So we do not have an answer for you on that.

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Speaker 4: this year for this year?

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Speaker 1: Yes? They are.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was under he's under contract, so it would

439
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Speaker 2: be very I'm not going to pretend to know how

440
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Speaker 2: that was sorted out, but he did have a contract

441
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Speaker 2: with the Bill, so I would imagine that it has

442
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Speaker 2: to be handled in some way shape.

443
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Speaker 1: Or Contracts for coaches are guaranteed guaranteed, so whether they

444
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Speaker 1: fired him or whether he just let whatever, that's he's

445
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Speaker 1: uh he gets paid. Yeah, that's why. Like if that's

446
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Speaker 1: like when the Bills fired Rex Ryan, he got all

447
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Speaker 1: the money in that time. He got three more years

448
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Speaker 1: of five million per year. So yeah, that's the way

449
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Speaker 1: that works for coaches that year.

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Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, just a little disappointed the way the

451
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Speaker 4: starters looked. H they did look like like you said,

452
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Speaker 4: they worded to the game or nothing. But uh, I

453
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Speaker 4: don't know, hopefully that it was just one of those bad,

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Speaker 4: bad starts. That we could learn from it. Approve.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Greg, appreciate the phone call. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: You got to get to some other people. We go

457
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Speaker 2: to Kevin and Hamburg next.

458
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Speaker 3: What you got for us? Kevin?

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Speaker 11: Hey, guys, how you doing? Makes for taking my call?

460
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Speaker 11: I like what this last guy, Greg said about the starters.

461
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Speaker 11: I'm worried about Dion Dawkins because I'm gonna tell you something.

462
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 11: I know Spencer had a lot of penalties, but the

463
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Speaker 11: way Dion got burned a couple of times from behind

464
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Speaker 11: Josh Allen's blind side. I know, miss Steele curtain hasn't

465
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Speaker 11: played a year, but he looked like he was playing

466
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Speaker 11: against me and Joe Green. The way they were smoking

467
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Speaker 11: around him, like he wasn't even there. I mean it

468
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Speaker 11: was Betcher Brown had penalties, but Dion's Josh Allen's blind

469
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Speaker 11: side and the way he was going with the right.

470
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Speaker 11: Asked him like he was playing like against Lambert or

471
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Speaker 11: ham or someone, because he was. He was like burned,

472
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Speaker 11: you know, like a cornerback gets burned. He was getting

473
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Speaker 11: burned so bad. And I don't think you can go

474
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Speaker 11: into that Jet game without having them have a little

475
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Speaker 11: bit the first stringers a little bit of redemption, even

476
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Speaker 11: if it's a little bit of just the first quarter,

477
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Speaker 11: that would not look good going against Quinn Williams without

478
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Speaker 11: somewhat a miniature redemption.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying, play him a little bit in the

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Speaker 2: preseason finale. Is that what you're saying, Kevin?

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Speaker 3: What's that you're saying?

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Speaker 2: Play him a little bit in the preseason finale? Is

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Speaker 2: that what you're saying?

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Speaker 11: Yeah? Because even if the second and third stringers killed

485
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Speaker 11: the Bears fifty to the then at the point is

486
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Speaker 11: the first stringer they're gonna play against the Jets, mainly

487
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Speaker 11: against Quinnen and all those guys up funting and they

488
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Speaker 11: got You don't want to go into that with the

489
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Speaker 11: last process of we got smoked and spanked bad. That

490
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Speaker 11: would not look good against Quinn Williams with that thought

491
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Speaker 11: process without somewhat of redemption.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I.

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Speaker 2: Get what you're saying, Kevin. I will say that I

494
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Speaker 2: think while fans and you know, maybe even outside observers

495
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Speaker 2: of the team might say, oh man, they better play

496
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Speaker 2: some more in the preseason finale to make sure they're

497
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Speaker 2: ready for regular season football, especially a division game on

498
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Speaker 2: the road, I think we also have to remember how

499
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Speaker 2: much this team gets.

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Speaker 3: Done in practice.

501
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Speaker 2: This is one of the most efficient practicing bills teams

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Speaker 2: I have ever seen under Sean McDermott. And so if

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Speaker 2: this coaching staff believes they have buttoned up some of

504
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Speaker 2: the things that were not good on Saturday, and they

505
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Speaker 2: feel it's sorted out, they're not gonna play the starters

506
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Speaker 2: in the preseason finale to make sure it's buttoned up.

507
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Speaker 2: If they feel it's been accomplished, it's been addressed, and

508
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Speaker 2: it's been corrected through the course of the practice week

509
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Speaker 2: this week, they're gonna be good with that.

510
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Speaker 3: Because let's not forget this either.

511
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Speaker 2: After the preseason finale, you got another ten to twelve

512
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Speaker 2: days to practice even more to get ready and with

513
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Speaker 2: a game plan built in at that point in time,

514
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Speaker 2: specifically for the Jets.

515
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Speaker 3: So I think we've just got to pump the brakes

516
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Speaker 3: here a little bit.

517
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Speaker 2: And remember, I guess basically what I'm saying here, you

518
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Speaker 2: gotta trust your head coach here, And I think Sean McDermott,

519
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: based on his history and the ability to correct things

520
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: on his football team, whether it's back in twenty seventeen

521
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Speaker 2: when his team got shellacked in three straight games, and

522
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Speaker 2: lost three in a row and turned it around and

523
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Speaker 2: got this team to the postseason. Or whether it's a

524
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Speaker 2: one week blip on the radar, the next week, it's

525
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Speaker 2: corrected very often. So it's time for you to put

526
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Speaker 2: your faith in the head coach that I think has

527
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Speaker 2: earned that right to get your benefit of the doubt

528
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Speaker 2: to get things fixed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and you've got to trust that he's

530
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Speaker 1: got to handle on whether what we're conjecturing that game

531
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Speaker 1: looked like or not, what he would should know and

532
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Speaker 1: will know the real reason for it and why it happened,

533
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Speaker 1: and have also be trained through his experience in his

534
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Speaker 1: years as a head coach and as an assistant as

535
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Speaker 1: a coordinator how to get him out of it like

536
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Speaker 1: he did in twenty eighteen. This is a preseason game,

537
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Speaker 1: so the consequences are minimal, but he has seen this

538
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Speaker 1: team go from a bad roster and being accused of

539
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Speaker 1: being tanked tanking in the first season and getting him

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I'm so this is a game that

541
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Speaker 1: didn't mean anything, so the consequences are not are minuscule.

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Speaker 1: He knows what a buttoned up football team looks like,

543
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Speaker 1: and you can bet he's going to do what he

544
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Speaker 1: can to make sure this team's buttoned up for opening Day.

545
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Speaker 1: And I don't even know what it'll look like next

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Speaker 1: week in Chicago. We're going to go to that game

547
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. I don't know how the team will play there,

548
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Speaker 1: but I would be shocked if anybody who was projected

549
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Speaker 1: by the coaching staff that are going to be on

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Speaker 1: the fifty three. I'd be shocked if very many of

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Speaker 1: them play at all.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones. We're gonna get to

553
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Speaker 2: Kenny in Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Here, what do you got for us? Kenny?

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Speaker 12: Hi, guys, how are you doing? Thanks for the time. Sure, Hey,

556
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Speaker 12: I want to talk about the cornerback position, which I

557
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 12: think is essential. I think it's essentially over and Saturday night,

558
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Speaker 12: you know, it was starters versus starters, and for the

559
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Speaker 12: second game they started Dane Jackson, and I don't think

560
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Speaker 12: that's gonna change. I think Dan Jackson is going to

561
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Speaker 12: be the Week one starter. And it comes down to

562
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Speaker 12: one thing. Trust McDermott trusts them. And you know, in

563
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Speaker 12: the year when he's going to be pulling double duty

564
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Speaker 12: on game day, he doesn't have time to worry about

565
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Speaker 12: largely unproven players like Elam and Benford. When he's got

566
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Speaker 12: a guy he knows in Dane jacks So it's like,

567
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Speaker 12: I know, he's looking at the d line Okay, I

568
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 12: got some unfamiliar faces there. He's looking at linebacker. Okay,

569
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Speaker 12: that's going to be really crazy. And then he say,

570
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Speaker 12: but look at my back end. If I can feel

571
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Speaker 12: the back end of Poyer, Hide White and Dan Jackson, boom,

572
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Speaker 12: I know those guys. I don't got to worry about

573
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Speaker 12: those guys. And even if Dan Jackson isn't the best

574
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Speaker 12: player among them, which I know sounds kind of crazy

575
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Speaker 12: to think about start starting a guy that's not the

576
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Speaker 12: best player, But in this scenario, I think it makes

577
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Speaker 12: sense because in a year that mcdermot's gonna be wearing

578
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 12: two hats. It's never been more important to trust the

579
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Speaker 12: guys on your field, and he trusts Dane Jackson. So

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Speaker 12: I want to hear what you guys got to say.

581
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Speaker 12: And thanks for the time. And I love your show.

582
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Speaker 3: Thanks, Kenny, appreciate it.

583
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Speaker 1: It's interesting too. And I can't remember maybe Dane jack

584
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Speaker 1: was it. Dane Jackson might have been injured at the

585
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Speaker 1: beginning of last year.

586
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Speaker 3: I can't remember started for Trey White.

587
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Speaker 1: That's right, he was the number one corner. I couldn't

588
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Speaker 1: I couldn't understand why. I couldn't understand.

589
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Speaker 2: They platoon and ben Benford started at the beginning of

590
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Speaker 2: the kickoff game against the Rams, and then they alternated,

591
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Speaker 2: if I want to say.

592
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Speaker 3: Every two series.

593
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Speaker 2: If I remember right right, Kyer came in on the

594
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: third defensive series, played two series and they flip flopped

595
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Speaker 2: the rest of the way.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: That's how it went. Now, I would tend to agree

598
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Speaker 2: with with Kenny and Indiana.

599
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Speaker 3: I think the job's over.

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Speaker 2: And the reason why is not because Kyer Elam hasn't

601
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: played well or that Christian Benford hasn't played well. They

602
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: just haven't done enough to clearly outperform Dane Jackson. And

603
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Speaker 2: so what's gonna happen? You're gonna go with the what

604
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: does this organization do? Unless someone that is younger has

605
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Speaker 2: definitively staked their claim and said, I'm the guy, I'm

606
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: on the field, I'm starting based on my play week

607
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: in and week out, practice in and practice out. They

608
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Speaker 2: go with the veteran player that they trust the most,

609
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Speaker 2: and that's Dane Jackson right now. And Dan Jackson's had

610
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Speaker 2: a good preseason. It's not that he hasn't performed well.

611
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Speaker 2: He has, it's just that the two younger guys have

612
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: not outperformed him. So yeah, I would tend to agree

613
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Speaker 2: with Kenny. I think it's over as well. I think

614
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: Dan Jackson's probably your quarterback, cornerback number two at the

615
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: very least to start the season. Now, if his play dips,

616
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: don't think for a second that they'll hesitate in putting

617
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Speaker 2: somebody else in there if they think they can get

618
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: more out of him. You want to argue that Kyrie

619
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Speaker 2: Elam is a more talented and physically gifted player, I'll

620
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: agree with you, But Kenny's one hundred percent on the money.

621
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Speaker 2: What coaches care about the most when they put players

622
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Speaker 2: on the field is that they can trust them, and

623
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Speaker 2: they believe they can trust Dane Jackson.

624
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Speaker 3: End of story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right, And nothing has changed in

626
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Speaker 1: twelve months. Dane Jackson is the guy who has outperformed

627
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Speaker 1: all comers.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't even know if he's outperformed him. He

629
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Speaker 2: just hasn't been outperformed by the other two.

630
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, say what you want, Yeah, put it any

631
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Speaker 1: way you want. Nothing's changed, He's still there still standing there,

632
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: and it's much like Levi Wallace you mentioned, he.

633
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Speaker 3: Wasn't the most physical and give it either.

634
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Speaker 1: They tried a ton of different players to bring in

635
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Speaker 1: and outperform Levi, and none of them could get it done.

636
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: We're kind of sitting right there in that same spot

637
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: with Dame Jackson. I don't have a problem with it.

638
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm I mean, I don't have any

639
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: skin in the game for having, you know, a horse

640
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: in that race, whether it's Benford Elam or Dane Jackson.

641
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: Just play the guy that you want and I'll talk

642
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: about whoever it is, you and I will both. But

643
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: it's really interesting that they are right back at where

644
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: they had been with Levi Wallace. They got a guy

645
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: that just you can't get him off the field, and they've.

646
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Speaker 3: Got it with even better depth than they used to have.

647
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Right, They've got some quick you and Benford, young guy.

648
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Speaker 2: Who on ten twelve teams in this league would probably

649
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: be starting. So it's it's I don't want to say

650
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: it's an embarrassment of riches, but it's depth that a

651
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: lot of teams are envious of.

652
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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 3: Break time for us here. We'll get to your calls.

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Speaker 2: We are wide open for phone calls here in the

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Speaker 2: next segment, So if you're hanging on at eight O

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Speaker 2: three oh five to fifty, we'll get to you when

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Speaker 2: we return here on One Bill's Live, presented by co

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Speaker 2: Lot of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown see tasker with you, asking you for your

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Speaker 2: takeaways from Saturday's preseason game. And we jump right back

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Speaker 2: to the phones where we have a lot of people

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Speaker 2: holding want to get to as many as we can.

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Speaker 3: We go to Jerry and Tonawanda next. What do you

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Speaker 3: have Jerry?

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Speaker 13: Hey, guys, thanks taking my call.

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Speaker 14: A couple of things.

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Speaker 13: One, I think if we don't solve our tackle problem,

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Speaker 13: we can always go to a twelve personnel to give

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Speaker 13: Josh more protection to help with the pass rush if

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Speaker 13: we had to. I'd like to see Josh Allen roll

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Speaker 13: out a little more. Mahomes watch that game. He always

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Speaker 13: gets out of the pocket when he before the spot

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Speaker 13: breaks down, and he has the field to see, and

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Speaker 13: he hits his man and he never gets tackled. And

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Speaker 13: I'd like to see Josh just roll out a little more.

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Speaker 13: And secondly, the Jets. I've been watching hard knocks and stuff,

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Speaker 13: and these the Jets players even are all google over

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Speaker 13: Aaron Rodgers, and all I got to say is Aaron

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Speaker 13: Rodgers is no Josh Allen.

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys, all right.

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Speaker 3: Jerry appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a similar thought concerning your protection concerns.

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Speaker 2: I believe that this team is going to play a

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Speaker 2: lot of twelve personnel this year for a number of reasons,

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Speaker 2: but protection, you know, could be one of them. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: that does afford you, you know, a little bit better

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Speaker 2: opportunity to maintain the integrity of the pocket. As for

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Speaker 2: Josh out, I think you will see a healthy amount

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Speaker 2: of that come the regular season. And the reason why

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Speaker 2: we didn't see it as much Saturday is I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: I don't know this, but I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 2: Josh had strict instructions to not run around a whole

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Speaker 2: lot and take unnecessary hits out in the open field,

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Speaker 2: which can happen when you roll out if you have

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Speaker 2: nobody to throw to and you take off running, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. I mean you could tell, even on the

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Speaker 2: one where he was running around for a while and

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Speaker 2: then ultimately got sacked. That he wasn't seeking to gain

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Speaker 2: yardage up the field, he was just trying to avoid tacklers.

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Speaker 2: So it wouldn't shock me if they told him, hey,

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Speaker 2: let's just stay had of harms way tonight. If you

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Speaker 2: can't deliver the football and time on time and in rhythm,

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Speaker 2: maybe just throw it away and get to the next play.

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Speaker 3: This is preseason.

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Speaker 2: We're not looking to win super bowls here in preseason

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Speaker 2: week two. We're looking to preserve your body for a

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Speaker 2: seventeen game regular season and a playoff run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm with you. I'm They can certainly help

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Speaker 1: the offensive line more so than they are at the

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Speaker 1: current time, or they did in the Pittsburgh game. They

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Speaker 1: weren't inclined to do that and are not inclined to

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Speaker 1: do that in the preseason because they want to see

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Speaker 1: You want to hang these guys out a little bit

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Speaker 1: and let them let them sink or swim. They did

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Speaker 1: it and didn't do too well in this last game

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Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh. But that doesn't mean that this offensive line

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Speaker 1: is gonna that they that they had no plan. So

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Speaker 1: with all of that stuff said, certainly in the Pittsburgh game. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Josh didn't play bad, and you're right, the

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Speaker 1: only with that, with the exception of the one where

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Speaker 1: he ran all over God's creation and ended up getting

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Speaker 1: taken the sack. Yeah, the ball came out on time

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Speaker 1: and in a lot of places, a lot of times

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Speaker 1: in those plays, I thought if the ball didn't come

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Speaker 1: out on time, he was he was gonna go down.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm I'm having a hard time getting

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Speaker 1: up in arms over the state of the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I'm still not to the point where I'm losing my

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Speaker 1: mind over it. I'm I may be naive, I may

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Speaker 1: not know what I'm talking about you, because I know

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Speaker 1: a lot there's a lot of people out there that

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Speaker 1: are absolutely adamant that that's it's gonna that's they're done.

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Speaker 1: I've seen the effort and the guys that they brought

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Speaker 1: in to fix it from last year. You and I

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Speaker 1: still believe. I think it's there's no way it could

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Speaker 1: be anyway. It's as good as or worse than last year.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be better than it was a year ago.

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Speaker 1: You can say last year they stunk, well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They got the division around the playoffs in a in

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Speaker 1: a really difficult season. I know that the Pittsburgh game

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Speaker 1: looked awful, but I don't think it's because they don't

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Speaker 1: have good players. I'll just say that I leave it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get back to the phones. We go to

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Speaker 3: Keith out in Ohio. What do you got for is Keith?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I was at the game there Saturday, and it

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Speaker 14: just seemed like the snowball effected me. It was that

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Speaker 14: first interception. It seems like everything went down bill after that.

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Speaker 14: And don't get me wrong, Pittsburgh does have a good

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Speaker 14: defensive line. They get pressure on the quarterback. We just

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Speaker 14: need to have their running back stick around a little

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Speaker 14: bit more to chip or something to give Josh that

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Speaker 14: extra minute or two. I'm sorry, second or two is

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Speaker 14: all he needs. I fownd Our receivers did a really

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Speaker 14: good job of getting open and catching the ball. I

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Speaker 14: didn't think it was as bad as what everybody's making

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Speaker 14: it out to be. The defense penalties is what killed

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Speaker 14: me in the game. Just we shot ourselves on foot

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Speaker 14: way too much. And I don't know what else to

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Speaker 14: say other than that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would agree with most of what

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Speaker 2: you said, Keith. I will agree with you too that

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Speaker 2: you know, the guys on defense were a little grabby

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Speaker 2: and you know, got dinged for some pass interference calls. Now,

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Speaker 2: two of those came down on the goal line where

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Speaker 2: you're just trying to keep them out of the end zone,

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Speaker 2: and you might tend to be a little bit more

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Speaker 2: aggressive because all a penalty will give them is a

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Speaker 2: half a yard. I think the one that was most

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Speaker 2: costly was the one by Kyrie Elam in the end

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Speaker 2: zone because it was third and goal from the one.

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Speaker 2: So committing a pass interference penalty in that scenario I

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Speaker 2: think is a little bit more egregious. That's where you

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Speaker 2: have to recognize time and score down in distance. Say, okay,

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Speaker 2: it's third down. I obviously want to keep them from scoring,

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Speaker 2: but I don't want to be so aggressive that I'm

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Speaker 2: called for PI and give them first and goal at

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Speaker 2: the half yard line, because if we get to stop

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Speaker 2: here on third and goal to one, well, then Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin has a decision to make and maybe we're only

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Speaker 2: out here for one more play.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said this at the beginning to show they

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Speaker 1: have twelve penalties in the first half one in the second.

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Speaker 1: So they did clean it up they did. The receivers

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Speaker 1: and the skill position players on the offense did play well.

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Speaker 1: I thought you're right. Kincaid showed up, big Steph Diggs

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Speaker 1: showed up. So did Shorter, Surefield. Those guys all played well.

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Speaker 3: The top three draft choices all showed up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you think about it, yeah, even Shorter, the

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Speaker 2: fifth round pick, had a game.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 1: Shorter played well, and so and so did Shavers. I mean,

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Speaker 1: all these guys played well. It's gonna be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what they do with the sixth wide receiver spot

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Speaker 1: and how they're gonna handle it, Danny Andy Isabella. But

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Speaker 1: I said, and I don't think that the poor play

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Speaker 1: on Saturday by any position group you want to name

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Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that Bills don't have

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Speaker 1: talent or good enough players. I think they do. But man,

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Speaker 1: oh man, when you don't show up, you look bad.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they're gonna be You can't say

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Speaker 1: at this point that the Bill's offensive line could be done,

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Speaker 1: or even their defensive line could be dominant, or their

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Speaker 1: secondary or what don't make I'm not making any pronouncements

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Speaker 1: like that, but I'm saying, when you look, when you

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Speaker 1: show up and you're not ready to play. No matter

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Speaker 1: how good you are, you're gonna look bad. And that's

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Speaker 1: what happened to the Bills the other night. I still

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Speaker 1: have a lot of faith in their talent level at

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Speaker 1: all their position groups. Now, certainly there are more question

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Speaker 1: marks at the middle linebacker spot than anyplace else, but

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Speaker 1: even their offensive line has too many guys with with

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Speaker 1: some with a pedigree in the NFL to think that

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Speaker 1: they're gonna just go out there and fall down like

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Speaker 1: they did the other night. So I'm not, And Keith

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Speaker 1: from Indianapolis or Ohio said, I don't. I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna jump ship and be too upset about it

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Speaker 1: because I'll say this, and it's an old adage and

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Speaker 1: it happens. It's never as good as it looks when

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Speaker 1: you watch the tape. It's never as good as it looks,

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Speaker 1: even in a game like a fifty one to three

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Speaker 1: game in the NAFCY Championship game or thirty eight to

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Speaker 1: three loss in a game, it's never as bad as

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Speaker 1: what it looks like, and it's never as good as

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Speaker 1: what it looks like. It's usually somewhere in the between.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure this Pittsburgh game is a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: But I will say, and I said it earlier, this

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Speaker 1: game is a really good reminder for people that football

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Speaker 1: is a physical and it's an emotional game, and if

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Speaker 1: you show up just trying to go through the motions,

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Speaker 1: you get exposed extremely quickly. I believe that's what happened

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Speaker 1: to the Bills Saturday night in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: We've got to take a break here, but we will

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Speaker 2: take more phone calls when we return, So if you're

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Speaker 2: on hold, to stay where you are.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to you when we come back.

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Speaker 2: Also, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler is reporting that free agent running

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Speaker 2: back Ty Johnson plans to sign with the Bills. According

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Speaker 2: to his sources, he apparently worked out for the team

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Speaker 2: and is back from a torn pectoral muscle injury. Former

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00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: New York Jet largely played on third down for the Jets,

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Speaker 2: and the way Jeremy Fowler is reporting it, they're looking

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Speaker 2: at him as I possible Nahim Heinz replacement on the roster.

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Speaker 2: No confirmation from the team, but we'll keep our ear

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Speaker 2: to the ground on that break. Time here back with

847
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Speaker 2: your phone calls on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with You're gonna jump right back

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Speaker 2: on the phones here. We've had people holding there for

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Speaker 2: your takeaways from Saturday's preseason outing to steven Orchard Park.

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Speaker 3: Next, what do you got for a Steve.

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, how you doing good? Just a couple of thoughts.

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Speaker 7: I really don't care about the preseason game Pittsburgh. They

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Speaker 7: are treating it like a regular season game, and I

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Speaker 7: totally agree with Steve or You're just like, you know,

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Speaker 7: it's we don't really care. We're not putting much into it.

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Speaker 7: I don't know. All the analysts around the country are

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00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 7: down on the Bills, which is fine, But if you

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Speaker 7: just look at it logically, we're way better on offense

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Speaker 7: with the receivers that we added. Our rookiew tight end

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00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 7: looks really good. Ask yourself this question because Dean Dawkins

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Speaker 7: blocked some of the best pass rushers in pro football

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Speaker 7: over the years and done pretty well against them. Absolutely,

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Speaker 7: so I don't think there's reason to panic that didn't

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Speaker 7: look good. It's preseason. It's over. They're evaluating the roster.

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Speaker 7: Let's just get ready for the regular season and see

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Speaker 7: who makes this team. I have total confidence that we're

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Speaker 7: going to be one of the top six or seven

870
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 7: teams in the league again and make a run at it.

871
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 7: And that I know is the fact. And that's all

872
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 7: I got.

873
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: All Right, thanks Steve, Well said Steve. Appreciate the phone call.

874
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I said earlier in the show, if

875
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: you are upset about the performance on Saturday, you have

876
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: to put your complete trust in faith in a head

877
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: coach who has earned the benefit of the doubt based

878
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: on how he has gotten this team to respond to

879
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: down performances in the past. So I would say rely

880
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: on that. If you can't, I don't know what to

881
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: tell you.

882
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: It's easy, I mean because we all go into the

883
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: preseason saying, hey, we don't care about the preseason, and

884
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: then when you have a game like that, it's like, oh,

885
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't like not care. I mean,

886
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, very kind of bail on it.

887
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: But you got to be ready for stuff like that.

888
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that was a game where they lost

889
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: it with their attitude more so than their execution. You know,

890
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: they snapped off they meaning the Steelers snapped off a

891
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: sixty four yard run.

892
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 15: And I go, oh wow.

893
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: And then they snapped off of what I said, a

894
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: fifty nine return, two big plays, and the Bills returned

895
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: team special teams wise, when they were playing a lot

896
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: of young guys, the Bills were average start in the

897
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: first half or the first three quarters was their own

898
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: thirteen yard line, So you had bad field position. And

899
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned it too, the tackles are struggling. One of

900
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: the reasons they struggled is at one point they were

901
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: third down and thirty one, so it's it's easy to

902
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: struggle when you're third and thirty one. So I mean

903
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: after three consecutive penalties, no less. So it was ugly,

904
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: no question about it. But I think it was ugly

905
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: because of the you know, the way the Bills nonchalanted

906
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: their way into you know, Akroshuer Stadium, and they got

907
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: slapped because of it. I don't think that that Brandon

908
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: Bean or Sean McDermott all of a sudden think they

909
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: got a room full of guys that can't play. They

910
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: know they do. And Shawn's probably looking at himself going,

911
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what Maybe I did. Maybe

912
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: he did see it coming and was kind of ready

913
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: for it, but you know he's got to be thinking,

914
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: I cannot let these guys show up like that, and

915
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: because they did, and it's you know, when push comes

916
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: to show, the players would take responsibility for not being ready,

917
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: but also the coaching staff will take responsibility themselves for

918
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: not seeing it and doing something about.

919
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: It because it's not the performance is not up to

920
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: their standard, whether it's right practice, preseason, regular season, playoffs.

921
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: You know, we hear Mike Tomlin say it all the time,

922
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: but I believe the coach McDermott subscribes to this too.

923
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: The standard is the standard, yeah, and it's supposed to

924
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: be adhere to every time you take the field and

925
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: step between the lines.

926
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: And I think this game was about what was between

927
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: the Bill's ears rather than there's talent level and that

928
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, that says a lot to me. You know,

929
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: after they scored two touchdowns, went fourteen to nothing the

930
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: rest of the way, the Bills out played them in

931
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: the second half one penalty and then you know, and

932
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: they did it. They turned the ball over four times

933
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: and turned the ball over four times, had twelve penalties

934
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: in two and a half quarters.

935
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 5: It was bad.

936
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: And to me, that's that's not talent. That's that's emotion

937
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: and being mentally ready to play a game. And I

938
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: don't think they were. I don't think they were. And

939
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. I maybe somebody will ask Sean during

940
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: this you know the press, you know the press availability

941
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 1: this week, you know what his thoughts are and having

942
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: a guy's sharp mentally, because that's what it was. I mean,

943
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: they don't jump off sides constantly during practice, you know

944
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: what I mean. They don't have ten guys on the

945
00:48:58,880 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: field during practice.

946
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: And it wasn't loud in that stadium. They weren't going

947
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: on silent count during the game because they didn't have to.

948
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: It wasn't loud enough in there.

949
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: I'd be really interested to have somebody ask Sean. I go, Sean,

950
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: what do you know?

951
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: How do you.

952
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: Stay on top of man? How do you kind of

953
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: get out ahead and say go way? I don't think

954
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: these guys are ready, like on a Thursday Friday leading

955
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: up to a Saturday game. How do you you know?

956
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: How do you get to the point where he's like, hey, guys,

957
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: but you know I'm not putting up with this, let's go.

958
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you can and whether it

959
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: manifests itself like that. I can't, but certainly Sean will

960
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: have some thoughts about it. I'd love to have somebody

961
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: ask him, you know, how are you going to keep

962
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: your team from showing up flat in this last preseason game.

963
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: It's a valid question, it's not it's certainly not out

964
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 2: of bounds in light of how the last game went.

965
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here because when we

966
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: come back, our good friend Greg Cosell from NFL Films

967
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: joins us, and he was watching some of the Bill

968
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: Steelers film. We'll break down some of the player performances

969
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: with him when we return here on One Bill's Live

970
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: presented by Colt of Health.

971
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 16: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

972
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

973
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: All right, here we are our number two on a

974
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: Monday on the heels of the Bill's second preseason game

975
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: against the Steelers.

976
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: An unfortunate first half performance.

977
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 2: Some things got cleaned up in the second half, but

978
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: penalties and turnovers compromised the effort here to dice up

979
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: some of the tape with us as our good friend,

980
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosel will be back

981
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:04,479
Speaker 2: for another season Greg.

982
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 3: Good to have you with us.

983
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: You know, you had Sunday and Monday to chop this up,

984
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: along with probably fourteen other games you were looking at.

985
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: You know, hold up in your little cave over there,

986
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: Why don't you just give us your overall takeaway from

987
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: Buffalo's performance and what compromised it in your mind.

988
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 15: You know, I'm just gonna be honest with you, guys.

989
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 15: I have a very difficult time with preseason because I

990
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 15: know too much about what coaches want to do and

991
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 15: how they view preseason, and every coach is a little different.

992
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 15: But I'm sure that you know, people are probably thinking

993
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 15: now that the Bills are not very good and then

994
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 15: it's going to be a bad year. You see that

995
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 15: with a lot of teams throughout the league. I would

996
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 15: say that, to me, probably the biggest concern, if you

997
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 15: want to really talk about this in any meaningful way,

998
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 15: would just be the mental part the penalties. To me,

999
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 15: that's something that you know when you play, and Steve

1000
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 15: you could speak to this better. You just want to

1001
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 15: see things executed. To me, it's not the score of

1002
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 15: the game, it's not any of that stuff. You just

1003
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 15: want to see things executed the way they're supposed to

1004
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 15: be executed whatever the result then of the play turns out,

1005
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 15: because there's another team on the field as well. But

1006
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 15: pre snap penalties are just inexcusable at any time, and

1007
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 15: to me, that would be the biggest takeaway, not the

1008
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 15: score of the game. Not you know, there are some

1009
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 15: other things we could talk about that I think, having

1010
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 15: spent this summer watching a lot of Bills from last

1011
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 15: year as well, there were a couple of things that

1012
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 15: I think need to be dealt with and that could

1013
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 15: turn into problems. But I think the mental part, to me,

1014
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 15: would be the biggest issue.

1015
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: That would be by the biggest issue. Mean, it's the

1016
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: most egregious problem with the team. I mean, they just

1017
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: they were mentally checked out. I made the point it

1018
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: looked like they were waiting for opening Day rather than

1019
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: having any desire to play the Steelers in the preseason.

1020
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 15: I would agree with that. Yeah, But you know, if

1021
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 15: you want to get to things that you know, and

1022
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 15: I don't want to jump on you here, Brownie, if

1023
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 15: you had specific things, but you know, I think there's

1024
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 15: a couple of things, because like I said, I watched

1025
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 15: a ton of Josh Allen from last year. I watched

1026
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 15: a ton of their defense from last year. I did

1027
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 15: that this summer, so it's not as if I just

1028
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 15: did that in the last twenty minutes. But I think

1029
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 15: there are some things that I think, probably you know,

1030
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 15: would be concerns for the coaching staff in the organization.

1031
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 15: They might not announce it publicly, but I think it's

1032
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 15: pretty much out there if you watch the tape, you know.

1033
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 15: I think offensively, I've been by the way. I've been

1034
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 15: impressed with Torrance through two games. He had some, you know,

1035
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 15: a few troublesome snaps this week, but I think he's

1036
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 15: gonna end up being the starting guard. That would be

1037
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 15: my opinion. I could be dead wrong. I know Ryan

1038
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 15: Bates has been there, but I think Torrence was a

1039
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 15: good pick and I think he's shown that he can

1040
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 15: line up and play. He has not been overmatched. But

1041
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 15: I think past protection is a little bit of an issue.

1042
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 15: As I said, I watched last year. I think right

1043
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 15: tackle is a little bit of an issue because you

1044
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 15: have to understand that much of this game and the

1045
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 15: way a lot of coaches talk is played on third down,

1046
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 15: and when you play on third down as an offensive coach,

1047
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 15: you want to be able to send all five eligible

1048
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 15: receivers out. That's the way all offensive coaches think. You

1049
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 15: want to get the maximum for your buck, so to speak,

1050
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 15: because you don't want to have three receivers out against

1051
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 15: six or seven in coverage. That's not a real good

1052
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 15: situation to be in from a numbers perspective. And you know,

1053
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 15: when watching a lot of their third downs last year,

1054
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 15: they often had to keep it back and at times

1055
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 15: a tight ended and you know, I'm just curious when

1056
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 15: it gets to be third and eight or third and nine,

1057
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 15: and obviously that happens in every game multiple times. How

1058
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 15: are they going to deal with that? Because I don't

1059
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 15: know whether it's going to be Spencer Brown, who knows

1060
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 15: how this is going to play out, But there, you know,

1061
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 15: right tackle would be one position. I think they're going

1062
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 15: to have to find an answer there or they're going

1063
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 15: to have to have to help. And you don't want

1064
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 15: to be in that situation.

1065
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it looks like the middle linebacker role is

1066
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: going to get pushed to the final preseason game as well,

1067
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 2: before a decision is made there. Aj Klein is back

1068
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: in the mix now due in part to the injury

1069
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: to Terrell Bernard, who remains out with a hamstring injury.

1070
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: It looked like Tyrrel Dotson got pinned inside on the

1071
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: long touchdown run by Jalen.

1072
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 3: Warren along with Matt Malono.

1073
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: Actually both linebackers got taken out of the contain on

1074
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: that play on the wide on the side of the on.

1075
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 3: The edge of the the defense.

1076
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: What has been your take, you know, on how that

1077
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: linebacker situation has unfolded.

1078
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 15: Yeah, again, I'm not in camp every day you guys

1079
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 15: are in the building, not that you know you're getting

1080
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 15: inside information. I doubt that you know Sean McDermott is

1081
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 15: telling you his innermost thoughts. But I would really think

1082
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 15: down the road, and maybe I'll be dead wrong. I

1083
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 15: think Williams is gonna end up being the guy, and

1084
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 15: maybe not week one, but I think he's going to

1085
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 15: be the guy he plays. The big question is if

1086
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 15: it's Williams, you're playing with two smallish stackbackers, And that's

1087
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 15: a question for sure. So I'm not going to sit

1088
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 15: here and say you know that that is what's going

1089
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 15: to happen. But Williams brings a lot of energy. He's

1090
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 15: a more explosive athlete than either Klein or Dotson. I

1091
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 15: really liked his tape coming out of Tulane. I don't

1092
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 15: know the mental part because I'm not there every day,

1093
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 15: so I don't know how that's going. But you know,

1094
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 15: I think if they had to choose Week one between

1095
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 15: Klein and Dotson, my sense is just based on the

1096
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 15: fact that they both have track records in the league,

1097
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 15: and both have track records with the Bills, it would

1098
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 15: not surprise me if it's Aj Klein, right.

1099
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: AJ Klein has been a guy that has been so dependable.

1100
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they he left, came back, and he was

1101
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: the guy that really carried the load this last Saturday

1102
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: night as well. Well, not for nothing, though, he is

1103
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: a guy that offenses go after. Have you seen that?

1104
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 15: Yep? Yeah. Well the thing about client is this, And

1105
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 15: you know, I get the opportunity to talk about to

1106
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 15: talk to a lot of coaches, and one of the

1107
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 15: things I always hear from defensive coaches is I can

1108
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 15: trust him. And I think you can trust AJ Klein

1109
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 15: even though he's not a high level athlete Steve, and

1110
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 15: even though teams will look at him certainly in the

1111
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 15: passing game as someone you can attack. You know, whether

1112
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 15: it's man or zone. There's no question you know, the

1113
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 15: guy's been in the league a long time now. He's

1114
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 15: been a full time starter at times, but some might

1115
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 15: say he's a little more of a journeyman type than

1116
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 15: a full time guy. And by the way, there's nothing

1117
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 15: wrong with playing in the NFL Steve as you know,

1118
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 15: for eight or ten years. I'm not knocking that at all.

1119
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 15: You know, that is unbelievable to be able to do that.

1120
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 15: But I would think that when when push comes to show,

1121
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 15: because of the trust factor, that it will probably decline.

1122
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 15: But you're right, teams will go after him and then

1123
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 15: we'll have to see how that plays out.

1124
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, it is. Yeah, I recommend it. It's

1125
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: good work if you can get it. Being in the

1126
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: NFL for a decade, it's yeah, it's a plus. But

1127
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: you're right, it does take. It does take a special

1128
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: kind of person to be in there. And we were

1129
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: talking earlier about the cornerback spot for the Bills. It

1130
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: looks like Dame Jackson is gonna hold off Kyrie Elam

1131
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: and Christian Benford for the cornerback two spot opposite Tredavious White.

1132
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: A little bit reminiscent of Levi Wallace here in Buffalo

1133
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: where they brought player after player after player in to

1134
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: try and unseed him as the other cornerback too, and

1135
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: they couldn't get it done. Dame Jackson looks like he's

1136
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: got a stranglehold on it again.

1137
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean again. He started obviously at the you know,

1138
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 15: field corner, opposite White, who's predominantly the boundary corner. Elim

1139
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 15: has played pretty much only boundary corner. He's certainly not

1140
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 15: going to start ahead of Tradevius White. So you know,

1141
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 15: the question is, again, I'm not there, so I don't

1142
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 15: know what's going on on a day to day basis

1143
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 15: with Elam. He's certainly the most physically talented of the three.

1144
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 15: You know, he gives up some plays here and there,

1145
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 15: but he is physical and competitive. Certainly in the run

1146
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 15: game he tackles, which I know for Sean is very important. Yeah,

1147
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 15: I guess I'm waiting like everybody else for it all

1148
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 15: to come together for him. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

1149
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 15: But he's certainly the most physically gifted of the three.

1150
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1151
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: I think the way Steve and I look at it,

1152
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: it's not like Dan Jackson has been far and away

1153
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: better than the other two, but they haven't outperformed.

1154
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 3: Him, if that makes sense.

1155
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 2: And so I think they're gonna give it to the

1156
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: veteran player who they've seen on the field the most

1157
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: and probably who Sean McDermott trusts the most going forward.

1158
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 15: And if I could just quickly add on an unrelated subject,

1159
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 15: not outside corner, but Jack Johnston Toron. Johnson is such

1160
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 15: a good even in the preseason, the way he tackles

1161
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 15: in the run. I mean, that's why they can play

1162
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 15: Nickel so much. I assume they'll probably do the same

1163
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 15: thing this year. I know, with Sean now more in

1164
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 15: charge of the defense, we'll probably see some tweaks here,

1165
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 15: and there are a few differences. I would doubt it'll

1166
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 15: change with the personnel because they really don't have three

1167
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 15: linebackers that they're going to feel comfortable putting out there.

1168
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 15: So Johnson to me is just he's just a really

1169
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 15: good football player.

1170
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: When you get around and turn it over to, you know,

1171
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: the front four for the Bills, it's a place where

1172
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: they seem to have a lot of depth and you

1173
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: know you've got obviously you're kind of tapping your feet

1174
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: waiting on Von Miller, you know, to get healthy. Leonard

1175
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: Floyd what did you see from the defensive ends and

1176
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,959
Speaker 1: maybe the defensive tackles as well. How do you see

1177
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: that playing out up front? Are the Bills as deep

1178
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: as we think they are.

1179
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 15: Or I would think the main question will be pass rush,

1180
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 15: and you know, in passing situations, obviously von Miller can

1181
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 15: provide that. I don't know about Leonard Floyd. You know

1182
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 15: what he's been going through with Camp. If he's someone

1183
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 15: that they are going to count on, He's shown through

1184
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 15: his career at times that he can be an edge

1185
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 15: pass rusher. He certainly has the body type for it.

1186
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 15: You know, a lot of their other dns are not

1187
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 15: really one on one pass rushers. Epinessa is not really

1188
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 15: that guy. Basham is not really that guy Bashium is.

1189
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 15: You know, the Bills aren't overfront as their base front,

1190
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 15: which means they line up to the strong side of

1191
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 15: the offense, to the tight end side, and Basham is

1192
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 15: predominantly the strong side d end. He's not the open

1193
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 15: side d end because Bashium is not really an edge

1194
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 15: pass rusher. So you know, again, I don't know how

1195
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 15: they see him in their overall schematics. Epinessa is has

1196
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 15: played on the open side, you know, I guess they're

1197
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 15: coping with his body type that he can continue to

1198
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 15: improve and be an edge pass rusher. But you know,

1199
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 15: one of the things I thought stood out a year

1200
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 15: ago and until we play real games this year, they

1201
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 15: just have not been able to to me without Von

1202
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 15: Miller a real consistent four man d line pass rush.

1203
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: You already mentioned one member of the draft class and

1204
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: Dorian Williams. Justin Shorter showed up on Saturday. He had

1205
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: a very quiet preseason opener, but then finishes Saturday night

1206
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: as the leading receiver, and I realized some of his

1207
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 2: playing time came late, presumably against third teamers, but you

1208
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: know he had the touchdown, you know, on that route

1209
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: to the post. Just your thoughts about what he was

1210
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: able to show and how that can help convince the

1211
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: coaching staff what he can be for them in the offense.

1212
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 15: Yeah. Sure, it's a fascinating guy. I don't know if

1213
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 15: you know his background, Brownie, but he came out of

1214
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 15: New Jersey as a top twenty recruit in the nation

1215
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 15: and the number one wide receiver prospect. Went to Penn State,

1216
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 15: then transferred to Florida. Never quite became a great college player,

1217
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 15: but he showed flashes at Florida where he ran by people.

1218
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 15: I mean, you're dealing with a guy that six '

1219
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 15: four over two hundred twenty pounds, ridiculously long arms, incredibly

1220
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 15: big hands, and he can run. So the question is,

1221
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 15: you know, what can that mean in the NFL? Ideally,

1222
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 15: you know, like you'd like to think that he's a

1223
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 15: big body who can who can you know, get on

1224
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 15: top of people. When I watched his college tape, you know,

1225
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 15: one of the things that kept jumping out to me

1226
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 15: was and again he obviously played wide receiver. You know

1227
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 15: in the preseason here was given his size. Is he

1228
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 15: a true wide out or is he almost one of

1229
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 15: those hybrids? And you know, a guy that you can

1230
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 15: use in different ways and not necessarily as a true

1231
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 15: outside receiver. And I don't know how they see him,

1232
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 15: but he certainly is has traits that you like with

1233
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 15: that size, that length, and he can move.

1234
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: One of the things that's happened over the last couple

1235
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: of weeks is Andy Isabella was signed after he was

1236
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: released by Baltimore, and he has really caught a lot

1237
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: of people's eye, mostly because of his quickness and his speed.

1238
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: And he is not disappointed. I mean is he has

1239
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: yet to kind of make a false move right, So

1240
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: it's he keeps climbing up in his importance and his

1241
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: intrigue for the Bills, making the Bills roster. What can

1242
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: you tell us about what you know about Andy Isabella.

1243
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, I remember watching him coming out of you Mass.

1244
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 15: He could run. He's quick, He's got great lateral quickness.

1245
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 15: He's one of those guys, Steve, I don't know why

1246
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 15: it hasn't worked, you know, because I don't know the kid.

1247
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 15: I don't know the situations he's been in. But he's

1248
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 15: got you know, this route we're watching right now is

1249
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 15: exactly what he is. He's got and that's against a

1250
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 15: linebacker obviously, but still he's got that great stop and

1251
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 15: start lateral quickness. Got a lot of juice to him.

1252
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 15: He's a really intriguing guy, they to me. And and

1253
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 15: you know, Ken Dorsey's now in his second year as

1254
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 15: a coordinator, and he obviously I'm sure to learned some

1255
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 15: things from his first year. And you're not going to

1256
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 15: see anything they really want to do in the preseason.

1257
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 15: But I'm so curious now with pieces like perhaps in

1258
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 15: Isabella a Dalton Kincaid, who we saw this week as well,

1259
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 15: make catches and get opened pretty easily, even Diggs, who

1260
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 15: can line up inside or outside. There's a lot of

1261
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 15: movable chess pieces to me in this offense, and with

1262
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 15: Dorsey now in his second year, I'm very curious to

1263
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 15: see what they do.

1264
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned Kinkaid.

1265
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 2: He was gonna be my next question because I think

1266
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: after he made his third reception, you know, We're doing

1267
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 2: the radio broadcast and Eric Wood and I are saying, Okay,

1268
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: let's get him out of the game.

1269
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 3: Now we've seen enough.

1270
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: We're convinced, let's just get him out of the game

1271
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: while he's still healthy.

1272
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 3: But I think he is. We suspected this might be

1273
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 3: the case.

1274
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: I think we've seen evidence of it through the course

1275
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: of the summer and now the preseason, that he is

1276
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: going to be an easy button throw answer for Josh

1277
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: that he really didn't have consistently week over week last

1278
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 2: year in the middle of the field.

1279
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 15: No, And that's why I was making the point with Kinkaid. Maybe,

1280
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 15: you know, assuming Isabella makes the team, if he continues

1281
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 15: to perform, well, you have two guys. I think Brownie

1282
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 15: who could who could possibly fill that role where you

1283
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 15: know that's what because don't forget you know, look, we

1284
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 15: are all enamored with good reason with Josh Allen's ability

1285
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,919
Speaker 15: to make special plays. But when you get right down

1286
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 15: to it and Steve you know this even better than

1287
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 15: I do from having played. You know, the key plays

1288
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 15: in games are very often when it's third and seven

1289
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,479
Speaker 15: and you get an eight yard game. You know, those

1290
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 15: plays you're not going to see on the highlights, but

1291
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 15: those are those are important plays in games, really important plays.

1292
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 15: And you know, I think that the Kincaid's, the Isabella's,

1293
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 15: I think they can make those kinds of plays, and

1294
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Speaker 15: I think those are absolutely critical for an offense.

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Speaker 1: What do you see as trends in the league around

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Speaker 1: You've watched you know, you watch all these preseason games,

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Speaker 1: and certainly the Bills look to you know, with a

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Speaker 1: with a draft pick like Kincaid, they're probably gonna have

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Speaker 1: to evolve away from only three percent, twelve percent people,

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Speaker 1: twelve personnel, that kind of thing. Are there any trends

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Speaker 1: you've spotted? I know teams don't show much in the preseason.

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Speaker 15: Not necessarily preseason, but I think you hit on a

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Speaker 15: really good point there about a trend that's definite because

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Speaker 15: of what the college game is giving to the NFL.

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Speaker 15: It's given to the NFL guys who are quote unquote

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Speaker 15: tight ends, but who are detached players, and they're not

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Speaker 15: necessarily tight ends who are attached and you know, are

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Speaker 15: are just blockers. So what that does is it creates opportunities.

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Speaker 15: Now in the past game, you know, we saw that,

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Speaker 15: and again it's just preseason, but we saw what the

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Speaker 15: Giants did with Darren Waller, you know, and then he's

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Speaker 15: that guy you can line him up outside Cancaid's that guy.

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Speaker 15: You can see him lined up at boundary X on

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Speaker 15: the back side of trips and it really helps an

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Speaker 15: offense because it gives the quarterback a lot of pre

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Speaker 15: snap information. Then you get these guys that can move,

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Speaker 15: you know, their motion guys as well, and you're seeing

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Speaker 15: more motion throughout the league as well. Steve, that's a

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Speaker 15: trend you're seeing as well. Now defenses have caught up

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Speaker 15: to that, and it's not like it used to be

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Speaker 15: years ago, where hey, if a guy went a motion

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Speaker 15: and so he ran with him, that automatically means it's man.

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Speaker 15: Defenses have kind of gotten smarter than that. And even

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Speaker 15: if they send a guy running with a motion guy.

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Speaker 15: It doesn't automatically mean it's man. But the point I'm

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Speaker 15: making is you're getting more motion in general in the league,

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Speaker 15: and you know, I think that's a trend that will

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Speaker 15: definitely continue to see.

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Speaker 2: Greg The tackle position for the Bills took a bit

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Speaker 2: of a hit over the past week. Brandon Shell surprisingly

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Speaker 2: decided to retire. He was kind of veteran insurance at

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Speaker 2: the right tackle spot. And then Tommy Doyle goes down

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Speaker 2: to a season ending knee injury less than a year

1334
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Speaker 2: removed from his previous knee injury, and this time it's

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Speaker 2: the other knee.

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Speaker 3: So it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: We do expect the Bills to add a player in

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Speaker 2: the coming days at that spot, just to kind of

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Speaker 2: refortify the ranks. But this is a tremendous opportunity for

1340
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Speaker 2: Ryan Vandermark, the first year player out of Yukon, who's

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Speaker 2: got prototype height in length. How long of a look

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Speaker 2: did you get at him in the Pittsburgh game.

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Speaker 15: I watched every snap. So he was a left tackle

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Speaker 15: in college, he was a four year starter at left

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Speaker 15: tackle in Yukon, and you hit it right on the head.

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Speaker 15: He's a plus athlete. He's got great length. I think

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Speaker 15: he's he looks the part. He's got good quickness off

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Speaker 15: the ball, He's efficient moving laterally. I think what ultimately

1349
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Speaker 15: would need to happen. Number one, can he play right tackle?

1350
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Speaker 15: There are two different positions, right tackle and left tackle.

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Speaker 15: Obviously left tackle is Dawkins, but they'll probably give Vander Mark,

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Speaker 15: who played only left tackle against the Steelers, he may

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Speaker 15: get some opportunities now at right tackle. I think he

1354
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 15: needs to get stronger to generate more power in the

1355
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Speaker 15: run game, and that would help him anchor more effectively

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Speaker 15: in pass pro. But as you said, Brownie, and you've

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Speaker 15: now that he looks the part, I mean he is

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Speaker 15: long body wise, his arm length is good. He's a

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Speaker 15: plus athlete, you know. I don't. Again, I wasn't charting

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Speaker 15: every snap the way a coach would, but I did

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Speaker 15: watch every snap closely. I don't know if he truly

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Speaker 15: had a bad snap where you went, oh, that was

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Speaker 15: a tough one, you know. Like I said, I'm sure

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Speaker 15: an old line coach. I'm sure Aaron Kromer who knows

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Speaker 15: more about the specific bowl line play than I do.

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Speaker 15: There's much to coach up. But I didn't think he

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Speaker 15: was overmatch. Now, it's easy for people to say, oh,

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Speaker 15: he's playing against second and third teamers, but you know

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Speaker 15: that doesn't matter. You want to see a guy's traits.

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Speaker 15: You want to see him perform. You want to see

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Speaker 15: him execute what he's asked to execute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and certainly he's gonna get more opportunity this week

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01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: probably as well. Also, I want to ask you about

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Speaker 1: this guy, Courage. I thought it was Guriage, but Courage,

1375
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: what do you say about him? Number seventy five of

1376
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: the Bills who got in and played some right tackle

1377
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Speaker 1: and some left tackle. I've seen him take reps at both.

1378
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Speaker 15: I got to tell you, Steve, I was really surprised

1379
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 15: he was underrafted. I watched him at Florida and I

1380
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 15: thought he was a pro prospect. And again, you never

1381
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 15: know how guys see a guy. I mean, he's not

1382
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 15: a superior athlete. He doesn't jump off the film where

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Speaker 15: you go, man, that guy is a really good prospect.

1384
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Speaker 15: But I thought he was just one of those really

1385
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 15: solid players who could be in the NFL. Now, I

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01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 15: didn't necessarily see him as a big time starter, but

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Speaker 15: I thought he could Number one. I thought he was

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 15: a more than draftable player. And I thought he could

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Speaker 15: be one of those guys who could be if you

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Speaker 15: keep eight or nine aer lineman that he could easily

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Speaker 15: be one of those guys, and you could plug him

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Speaker 15: in at either a tackle or a guard if need be.

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Speaker 15: So I imagine he's going to get more looks this

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Speaker 15: week as well.

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Speaker 2: Greg, thanks as always for the time. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for breaking some of these guys down for us.

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Speaker 2: We will catch up with you very soon.

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Speaker 15: All right, guys, appreciate it. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's Greg co Sales, senior producer from NFL Films,

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Speaker 2: and in the not too distant future he'll be all

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Speaker 2: right back on the ESPN NFL Matchup Show every weekend

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01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 2: breaking down some of the bigger games on the regular

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Speaker 2: season slate.

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Speaker 1: It was, yeah, amazing, and I just get back to

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01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that Greg said. Yeah, you know

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01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: he said about the Bills. Every team when you get

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Speaker 1: into that third down, this is where the Bill, you know,

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01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: because of pass protection, you think, well, would just put

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: a tight end over there in third down. It makes

1410
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. A lot of coaches around the

1411
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: league offensive corners. They don't want to get five guys

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Speaker 1: out on third down, spread that defense then put some

1413
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: pressure on him and if you have to start holding

1414
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: guys in, okay, do that. But here's the thing to

1415
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: teams combat that as well, and they'll send extra people

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01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: so that you're either forced to you know, throw it

1417
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: quick and get rid of it before they get home,

1418
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: or keep guys in to protect. Don't forget the Bills

1419
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: were number one in the league last year on third

1420
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,759
Speaker 1: down offensively, and it was it was a season where

1421
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Speaker 1: a lot of people thought Spencer Brown struggled last year,

1422
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: and he was. He didn't get any preseason and he

1423
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: was dragging around a high ankle sprain for most of

1424
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: the season, so they you know, they gave him that

1425
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: kind of out, but the Bills did not struggle on

1426
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: third down with an offensive line that in you're and

1427
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: my opinion was worse than this one. So Ken Dorsey,

1428
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, made some chicken saddled last year what a

1429
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: lot of people thought was not chicken you know. So

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01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 1: I'm they're gonna be in a I think a better

1431
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: position this year against most of the teams they play. Now,

1432
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: certainly the Jets can bring some heat off the particularly

1433
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: from the interior. They're gonna play some really good pass

1434
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: rushes this year, no question about it. But the Bills

1435
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: last year, with a less talented offensive line, were number

1436
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: one in the league on third down. They were, and

1437
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: this offense was never You couldn't consider this offense broken

1438
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: at all. Last year they were number two in scoring,

1439
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: best in the league on third down, and they had

1440
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: few They had the second fewest drives in the league

1441
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 1: and with a punt or a turnover, and that was

1442
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: with a guy who tied for the league lead and

1443
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: turning it over. So this is an offense. It's got

1444
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: a lot to build on, and with every reason to

1445
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: believe you and I, despite what happened in Pittsburgh, I

1446
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: think they're going to be more talented upfront, not less,

1447
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: and at least they're going to start the season healthier.

1448
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 3: I mean, David Edwards is a perfect example of that.

1449
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 3: Guys not even gonna start.

1450
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: He might have been the most consistent lineman out on

1451
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 2: the field the other night, Like I didn't see him

1452
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 2: lose one battle in the time he was out there

1453
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: on the field.

1454
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,799
Speaker 1: And you got and you got him, You've got Baits,

1455
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: You've got Osyrus Torrens, who looks like he could hold

1456
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: that spot down as a rookie guard on a team

1457
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,799
Speaker 1: that doesn't like to play rookies. It takes something so.

1458
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: And then you have it, and then you have Question

1459
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: and Barry and Van Deermark as your tackles in reserve,

1460
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 2: so to speak.

1461
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 3: And we'll see what Richard Garage can do. He's gonna

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 3: get a ton of time. I'm coming weekend.

1463
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: I was kind of with gregal athlete. Yeah, Garage doesn't.

1464
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, but then you look at him, He's like,

1465
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: we never had a really bad rep, you know. So

1466
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a long way away from bailing on anything,

1467
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 1: certainly that I'm I'm gonna go back to what I

1468
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: said at the beginning of the show. You know that

1469
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: when you I don't show up ready to play and

1470
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: focused on your job, you're gonna get embarrassed. That's what

1471
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: happened to the Bills the other night. Twelve penalties in

1472
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: the first half, off sides, get illegal procedure, ten men

1473
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: on the field, Oh my goodness. I mean, they just

1474
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,839
Speaker 1: weren't They just didn't want to play the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1475
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 1: They didn't want even that game to kick off. It

1476
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: seemed like to me the players I'm talking about. We'll

1477
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: see what happens this week in Chicago. I would be

1478
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: surprised if Sean McDermot doesn't have a little bit different

1479
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: run up to this game than he did this Pittsburgh game.

1480
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: But we'll see.

1481
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 2: We'll see break time for us here, We'll get back

1482
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 2: to phone calls and crack open the tweet sheet when

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01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: we return for your takeaways on Saturday's preseason game number

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Speaker 2: two performance. When we return here on One Bill's Live,

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01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: presented by Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 3: Back here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown.

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01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: Steve tasking with you on a Monday, getting your takeaways

1488
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 2: from the Saturday pre game, and back to the phones

1489
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: into Steven Michigan, who's been waiting patiently.

1490
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,959
Speaker 4: What do you got for a Steve, I'm waiting patiently.

1491
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 5: It's been enjoyable. I got to listen to Greg Gasel

1492
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 5: my goodness. Just we're talking now from the standpoint of

1493
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 5: history in a little bit of five thousand foot view.

1494
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 5: On August fourteen, two thousand and eight, the Bills hosted

1495
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,520
Speaker 5: quote unquote at the Rogers Dome in Toronto. The Steelers,

1496
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 5: the Ben Roethlisberg quarterback Steelers and the Bills jumped out

1497
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 5: to a twenty one to nothing lead and they ran

1498
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 5: the Steelers off the field, eventually winning twenty four to

1499
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Speaker 5: twenty one. And then those Dick Gerond coached Bill started

1500
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 5: off the season hot and ended up going seven to nine.

1501
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 5: I think they lost seventh straight.

1502
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 15: Was it.

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01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 5: And then the Steelers of course finished second in AFC

1504
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 5: and behind the Titans, and then went on to beat

1505
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 5: Arizona in the Super Bowl. Is pre season, the Bills

1506
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 5: are established, established contender to go out. Yeah, you're looking

1507
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 5: for the mechanical technical things to be right, perhaps in

1508
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 5: the preseason, but I think football is an emotional game.

1509
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 5: We didn't see it in the Bills the other night.

1510
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 5: I think they're waiting for the Monday Night. And I

1511
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 5: think the scene went through so much last year, the

1512
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 5: core of it that I think the seriousness and perspective

1513
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 5: of things. They went out and did this thing. It

1514
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 5: wasn't as bad as it looked. We watched the All

1515
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 5: twenty two, you know, and saw what was going on.

1516
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 5: So it's not a freak out show. And they are

1517
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 5: established contenders that are waiting for the Monday Night and

1518
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 5: let's just stop it. Wasn't as bad as it looked,

1519
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 5: and it never did. And then, Steve, I want to

1520
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 5: ask you about the talent thing real quick, if you

1521
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 5: have another second rest. Ryan once said, it's harder to

1522
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 5: get in the NFL than it is to win the lottery.

1523
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 5: And for example, when we're talking about these tackles, if

1524
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 5: we've got garage and band of mark, I mean, how

1525
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 5: is it talent differential or is it experience that really

1526
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,440
Speaker 5: makes that difference between players?

1527
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's well, if a talent is a

1528
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: talent is a given to me because you got to

1529
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: take it takes talent to get a contract.

1530
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 5: I mean, it is the absolute cream of the crop

1531
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 5: that's getting into the league, where the absolute difference in

1532
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 5: talent is actually really small because it's the absolute top

1533
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 5: of the population that's getting into the league. And then

1534
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 5: you know, is it and then is it coaching out here?

1535
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 5: What you guys have to say about it? By the way,

1536
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 5: I just I was rewatching fifty one to three, and

1537
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 5: I had forgotten how much of an impact you had

1538
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 5: in the game with those catches, especially the one down

1539
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 5: near the five in the west towards the west end zone.

1540
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 5: We kind of put the nail on the coffin of

1541
01:18:55,880 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 5: the Raiders that day. So still watching it, man talk

1542
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 5: about Yeah.

1543
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: You said that one on VHS no doubt too, So yeah,

1544
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: thanks for the call, shit, Steve. I uh, it's a

1545
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: it's an interesting question, is it talent or is it coaching,

1546
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: because once you get in the league, it takes an

1547
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: immense amount of talent to get into the league, particularly

1548
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: at those positions we're talking about, like offensive line and

1549
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: defensive line, those kind of things. It's who knows all

1550
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: I know? Is this The difference between a guy that

1551
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: stays in the league a long time and plays well

1552
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with what goes on between

1553
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: his ears, his talent level set aside, his coaching set aside.

1554
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,879
Speaker 1: You've got guys who are lesser talented and lesser physically

1555
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: gifted who go on to have a phenomenal careers. And

1556
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: then you've got guys that are gifted and get all coaching,

1557
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: they're on great teams, and they get they get released.

1558
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: You know, they can't, they can't hang in there. It's

1559
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 1: it's not it's the internal forces that drive a human

1560
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: being that make him special, and it's what happens between

1561
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 1: their ears and inside their heart that makes them special.

1562
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: So coaching talent. Okay, that to me is the difference.

1563
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 2: Saying all that, though, we all have to remind ourselves

1564
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 2: that at its core, the NFL is a matchup leak

1565
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: and the one inherent problem with edge play on the

1566
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 2: offensive line is offensive tackles in this league. There are exceptions,

1567
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 2: but offensive tackles in this league generally are not the

1568
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: same caliber of physically gifted athletes that pass rushers are,

1569
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 2: so they you could argue in some respects, unless they

1570
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 2: are so technique sound that it doesn't matter at a

1571
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: physical gift disadvantage, just in terms of what they bring

1572
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 2: to the table. That's why you have personnel people looking

1573
01:20:55,640 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 2: for the tall, long prototype offensive tackle if they're not

1574
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 2: gonna measure up with the same number of athletic gifts

1575
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 2: as a pass rusher is going to match up with.

1576
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: At least I got a guy who's tall enough with

1577
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 2: long enough arms to keep them at bay for three

1578
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,799
Speaker 2: seconds so my quarterback can deliver the football.

1579
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 3: Right, That's kind of where you're at.

1580
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I yes, you may not need to have

1581
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 2: all the physical gifts that your opponent has, especially at

1582
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 2: that tackle pass rusher. You know battle that we see

1583
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: every week, but they have to have something to bring

1584
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: to the table so they can physically stand up to

1585
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: the talents that are coming at them each and every week.

1586
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: That's what I said too. There's a there's a minimum level.

1587
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: But you know they're not gonna sign a guy that's

1588
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: five to ten play left tackle or even two right there.

1589
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta have a certain there's got to

1590
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: be a floor. There are prerequisites. Now, some teams will

1591
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: go in, they'll say, we can give our we can

1592
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: give a guy six ' three a chance to play tackle,

1593
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 1: but he's gonna have to be special. And and then

1594
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: you have to be the taller and bigger and more

1595
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: athletic you get, the less special you need to be

1596
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 1: to get that opportunity. It's that kind of give and take.

1597
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: So you get guys and you know, we've brown and

1598
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: I have seen it. You get you can run guys

1599
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: that are six ' eight, six ' seven through in

1600
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: and out of the doors, three hundred pounds in and

1601
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: out of the building all day and all night, and

1602
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: you still may not find one that can actually play

1603
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL. But you know, somewhere out there

1604
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 1: there's probably a guy six y three with long arms

1605
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: who can get it done and play better than any

1606
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: of those guys. The problem is if once you get

1607
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: in the door, that ceases to be in a consideration.

1608
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 1: You've earned your opportunity. Now what happens when you have

1609
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: to go out there and line up against von Miller

1610
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: and Greg Russeau. How are you gonna block them? I've

1611
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: seen it. I mean, John Randall's a perfect example. He's

1612
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: too small and too light, too short and too light

1613
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: to play defensive tackle in the National Football League. But

1614
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: the guy's got a metabolism like a hummingbird, and he's

1615
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: got a motor like a hummingbird, and he's in the

1616
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Some guys are just built different on

1617
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 1: the inside.

1618
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 2: So there you go, anybody like I kind of mentioned

1619
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 2: some players here over the course of the show in

1620
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: terms of ones.

1621
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 3: That have caught my eye.

1622
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 2: I thought David Edwards might have been the most consistent

1623
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 2: lineman of the whole evening for the Bills at the

1624
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 2: left guard spot with the second team.

1625
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 3: I really liked what.

1626
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 2: Greg Russo and Cameron Klein brought to the table. I

1627
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 2: thought Boogie bashm backed up his preseason opener performance with

1628
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 2: another solid performance against the Steelers. Those are some of

1629
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 2: the players I was encouraged by. I thought Shorter had

1630
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 2: a nice outing after a very quiet preseason opener. So

1631
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 2: there were some players who I thought did some really

1632
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: nice things. And Dorian Williams was active again, active player.

1633
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 2: There's just some energy going on there. He's kind of

1634
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 2: like a Tasmanian devil running around finding the football, making plays.

1635
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 2: I mean, he was cam Lewis in his game back

1636
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: I thought flashed a few times as well. He missed

1637
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 2: the preseason opener with the groin injury, had that big

1638
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 2: tackle for lost during the goal line stand at the end.

1639
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 3: Of the first half.

1640
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: Dorian Williams had a couple of tackles in there during

1641
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 2: those six to seven plays they had down at the

1642
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:26,759
Speaker 2: goal line.

1643
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: After back to back pass interference not back to back,

1644
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: but pass interference calls in the end zone, two of

1645
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: them on the same series. And yeah, so I when

1646
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: you go back and look at it and look at

1647
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: it and take the passion out of it, certainly that

1648
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 1: first half there's not too many excuses you can make.

1649
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: They did not show up to play and play well,

1650
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: and it looked like it. Second half the second the

1651
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: twos and threes more than held their own against the Steelers.

1652
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: They played much better by that time, though most of

1653
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: most of the fans watched the game were disinterested in

1654
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: throwing darts at the TV. So it's hard to impress

1655
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: anybody after you start out the way the Bills did.

1656
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: But in the second half of that game, there were

1657
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: a lot more quality plays in there than maybe you'd

1658
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: give it credit for.

1659
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:15,919
Speaker 3: You know who ran well again, Jordan Mims.

1660
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 2: He's got some scoot, He's got a nice jump cut

1661
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 2: to avoid tacklers, kind of like some of what I

1662
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 2: saw from him as well. We should bring you up

1663
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 2: to speed on the official injuries coming out of last

1664
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 2: week's game. We know that Dawson Knox did not play

1665
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: due to a pinky finger injury that happened in practice

1666
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 2: on Thursday, the final practice before the preseason game, but

1667
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 2: he's only considered day to day so not deemed to

1668
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: be a serious situation. Matt Barkley exited the game with

1669
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: a right elbow injury, he too is considered day to

1670
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: day right now, and Shane Ray, the pass rusher, unfortunately

1671
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 2: left the game with a hamstring injury, so that would

1672
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 2: seem to put his participation in the preseason finale in doubt,

1673
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 2: and that was probably a game he needed to be

1674
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 2: in to provide further evidence that he deserves a spot

1675
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 2: on the.

1676
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: Roster as they get down to it. And this is

1677
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: kind of obvious, I'll say it anyway. You can people

1678
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: out there who've never played football can understand that, you know,

1679
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 1: these guys have been at it with this team since

1680
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, April and May, through OTA's and mini camps,

1681
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: now a long, arduous training camp, now a couple of

1682
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: preseason games they've got this week and one more game

1683
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: to make the Buffalo Bills this year, and some of

1684
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: these guys don't know if they're gonna make it, a

1685
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 1: lot of them. There's a ton of guys out of

1686
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: there thinking, man, I don't know, and they get one

1687
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 1: last chance. And so the tension in each of these

1688
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: guys and in the building is going to be a

1689
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: little higher this week, and there's gonna be a lot

1690
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: of conversations between players and coaches, between between Brandon Bean

1691
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: and players and the front office and agents about who

1692
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: they'd love to keep on the practice squad, giving them

1693
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: a heads up about what they need to do. What

1694
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: they can do, but there's only so much they can say.

1695
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to play well. You know, they

1696
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: can tell these guys, hey, if you play well tonight,

1697
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: you got a chance of making the fifty three. Or

1698
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: if you don't make the fifty three, we need you

1699
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. Don't think that you're gonna go

1700
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: to Arizona and make that club. You got a better

1701
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: shot here long term than you do anyplace else. Kind

1702
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 1: of selling them like that. Very different week here, One

1703
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive with the players, coaches, and front office trying

1704
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: to line themselves up to jump into the Week one

1705
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: of the NFL season. I think the tensions are really

1706
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: going to be running high here.

1707
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 3: Break time for us.

1708
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Here we'll get some final thoughts on the tweets sheet,

1709
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 2: including some takes on what should happen at middle linebacker.

1710
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 2: We'll get to those when we return here on One

1711
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 2: Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1712
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 2: Welcome back to one of Bill's Why I wanted to

1713
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: get to the tweet sheet quickly brought to you by

1714
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 2: Corgan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of the

1715
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:13,720
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1716
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 3: And on the tweet sheet we have.

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01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 2: It was Jordan asking Dorian Williams was again the best

1718
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 2: linebacker on the field and should have been given an

1719
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 2: opportunity to develop at middle linebacker next to Milano asap.

1720
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 2: We know that ship is saled number one. Right at

1721
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 2: the start of camp, they moved him back to the

1722
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: will linebacker position as Milano's backup, and now to move

1723
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: him back at this stage of the game, I don't

1724
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 2: think that's realistic. You want to start getting them reps there,

1725
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 2: maybe for second half of the season. I understand it,

1726
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 2: but there's there are There is a reason why they

1727
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 2: make these moves, And I don't know this, but this

1728
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: is my guess, in my hypothesis, they tried them there

1729
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: in the spring, and whether it was calling the defense

1730
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 2: and having the confidence to handle it, make the checks

1731
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: and having a familiarity to line everybody up and still

1732
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 2: play instinctively, that might be the reason they take that

1733
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: off of his plate, and all of a sudden, you

1734
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 2: see him playing the way he's playing. That might be

1735
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 2: the exact reason why they switched him.

1736
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how this all

1737
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 1: plays out and what's gonna happen with their rotations in

1738
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: this last preseason game, who makes the final fifty three

1739
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: and what the numbers are. Lot to Do, Lot to

1740
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:20,679
Speaker 1: Do this.

1741
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 2: Week got more covers tomorrow as they're back on the

1742
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:23,799
Speaker 2: practice field.

1743
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 3: We'll see it won