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I've talked 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: to him a lot on the volume here at fs ONE. 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: Former beat writer for the Bills, Buffalo News, former beat 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: writer for the Packers, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel covered the Patriots. 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: He is tied in to all this stuff. He was 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: at the Joe Brady presser yesterday Tyler John don NFL 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: writer joining me. So Jmack thought it was super emotional, 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: But my take was, first of all, it's a big job. 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: Second of all, he's got a really human relationship that's 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: intense with Josh Allen. 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: So let's talk about that. 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: You never see Sean McDermott get that emotional, you know, 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: at a podium. I watched the first time I watched 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: Joe Brady at a podium. He gets super emotional. Is 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: that part of his the attractiveness to hiring him. 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Colin. 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 4: I think, look, there's everything we see and then there's 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: everything we don't see when it comes to Sean McDermott 26 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 4: and how it ended after nine years in Buffalo. But 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 4: what we see is is bad enough, right only. I 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: think only three coaches in NFL history in the Super 29 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 4: Bowl era have won a super Bowl their first super 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 4: Bowl with their with a team in a year nine 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: or beyond. You're talking Bill cow or Tom Landry and 32 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 4: Hank Stramp and Stram won an AFL title. So it 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: was time the message got stale. 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 5: You move on. 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: In the last six playoff losses, fifty two non Neil 36 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 4: down drives, they've allowed twenty five touchdowns, thirteen field goals, 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: forced only three turnovers, giving up three point eighty three 38 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 4: points per drive. 39 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: So that that's what we see. 40 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 5: That's enough. What we don't see is what I've. 41 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 4: Kind of heard coming out a little bit more, you know, 42 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 4: in addition to our series in twenty twenty three, Look, 43 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 4: this is a coach who grinds on people, right like 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: he walks into a room. It sets a certain tone, 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 4: it sets a certain mood. And what I was told 46 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 4: by a high ranking source you know in that building 47 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 4: is and we talked about it in twenty twenty three 48 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 4: when that came out. He tried to loosen up, tried 49 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 4: to soften a little bit. But whenever the pressure ratcheted up, Colin, 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: you're in the playoffs, you're facing and you reid it's 51 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 4: a big game, he kind of resort back to his 52 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 4: old ways and. 53 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 5: That wears on people, not just players, but we're. 54 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 4: Talking you know, the medical department, trainers, coaches, everybody. 55 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 5: So that needed to change the message. You needed to change. 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 5: And then there's a matter of accountability. 57 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 4: You heard Joe Brady at that podium taking blame for 58 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 4: five turnovers against Denver. I frankly never really heard much 59 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 4: of that out of Sean McDermott over his tenure. You know, 60 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 4: after thirteen seconds publicly you hear that word execution, that 61 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 4: code for the players screwed up. 62 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 5: As we found out. 63 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 4: That golong it was Sean McDermott overruleing the squib, you know, 64 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 4: taking over the defensive play calling and then blaming the coaches. 65 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 4: The day later, you guys got to figure out what 66 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 4: went wrong here. It was always worse privately than publicly, 67 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 4: So to hear that kind of accountability out of Joe 68 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 4: Brady Bret the fresh Air, to hear him know that 69 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 4: everything orbits around Josh Allen Bret the fresh Air. That 70 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: was not the case with Sean McDermott until it was 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 4: too late at the end. 72 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: So you also covered for years. Mike McCarthy Aaron Rodgers. 73 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know this relationship very well. Ian O'Connor, 74 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: a very established guy, yesterday said, you know, Mike actually 75 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: took Aaron out of college. Aaron, I remember watching, Hi 76 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: McCall I remember watching the USC game. He was very mechanical. 77 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: He was very very good. He had a huge game 78 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: at the Colisee. Yeah, yeah, he was great. I mean, 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: you knew he was good, but he did. He looked 80 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: like a college guy. He was a little tight, and 81 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: Ian said, Mike loosened him up. Well, he became kind 82 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: of the loosest of all the quarterbacks. McCarthy. Aaron, you 83 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: take me through the journey you had with him. Do 84 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: you think they can say, you know what, let's let 85 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: bygones be bygones? 86 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: Right? 87 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: I mean you're the analogy expert, right, Colin, is this 88 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 4: like we all have that friend later in life who's 89 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: single and you know the market's getting a little dry. 90 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 5: They kind of just get married to get married. 91 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: And I don't know, like, does Aaron Rodgers really have 92 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 4: any other options? 93 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 5: Here? 94 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 4: Is anybody banging on the door for a forty two 95 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: year old quarterback. True, Look, his brain is good, his 96 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 4: arm is good, but father time is undefeated. He said 97 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: it himself. You saw how edit against the Houston Texans. 98 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 4: So I think from Aaron's point of view, he'd probably 99 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 4: loved to go back to Pittsburgh because I don't know 100 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 4: who else is gonna take him if I Mike McCarthy, 101 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: though I know he has said nice things about Aaron Rodgers, 102 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: and look, it ended poorly. 103 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 5: Like Aaron, it's a double edged story. He's an all 104 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 5: time grudge holder. 105 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: That's part of what makes them special, part of what 106 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: make some Hall of Famer, And. 107 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 5: That's part of the reason everything fell apart. 108 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 4: With Mike McCarthy at the end and the play call 109 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 4: comes in and he kind of does his own things. 110 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 4: So I think they're all gonna say the right things 111 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 4: right now, But when the bullets are flying, what happens, 112 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 4: you know, And I knew, I knew you were probably 113 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: gonna bring this up. 114 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 5: So I texted a player for the Packers who. 115 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: Was on those teams was a source for me back 116 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: at that Bleacher Reports story. 117 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 5: And actually, if I remember. 118 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 4: Right, he was very pro Aaron, like he loved playing 119 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: with Aaron Rodgers and when wasn't really thinking that Mike 120 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 4: McCarthy was this quarterback expert. Anyways, I was like, is 121 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 4: this gonna work, like if they get together, And at 122 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: first he kind of joked and he's like, yeah, it's 123 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: a Cinderella story, and then he goes, no, he goes, 124 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 4: Aaron's an all time grudge older. They're gonna be fighting 125 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 4: right away, They'll. 126 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 5: Be at each other's throats. This isn't gonna work. 127 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: So, you know, I think Mike McCarthy is an underrated 128 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: quarterback coach teacher. He did way better in Dallas under 129 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 4: awful circumstances. They don't really care about football that much 130 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 4: down there. At one point at the cafeteria, I was told, like, there's. 131 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 5: Mark any people all over the place. It's a circus. 132 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: He turned to somebody and said, Man, if I knew 133 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: it was like this, I wouldn't have taken the job. 134 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 5: So I'm happy that he. 135 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: Has a chance to go to a place that wants 136 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: to win football games. 137 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 5: You just hope he's got a chance to work with 138 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 5: a young quarterback. 139 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 4: Dude, I mean, why not just pay up for Elik 140 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 4: Willis right, give him a chance to develop a young 141 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 4: quarterback like he did back in the day with Aaron Rodgers. 142 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: That's interesting the you know you did. 143 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: It's interesting because you were working on the Packers. You 144 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: covered a lot with the Chicago Bears. And I said 145 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: this the other day, is that the two best teams 146 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: in the NFC were Seattle in LA by the end 147 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: of the year. I think Chicago was third. Chicago almost 148 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: knocked off the Rams, and the Rams didn't drop a 149 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: pass or have a I think had one penalty, you know, 150 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: I mean the Rams played almost a perfect football game 151 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: in Chicago given the weather and still had to go 152 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: to overtime. Chicago was a really good team at the 153 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: end of the year. You did a I'm reading this 154 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: yere a three part twenty seven thousand word series House 155 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: of Dysfunction on the Bears, and so you're kind of 156 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: an expert on this. Ben Johnson to Matt eber Flues 157 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, what were the biggest changes made? 158 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 5: So, yeah, I talked to a lot of those coaches, players, 159 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 5: for an office. 160 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: People, it was it was ugly for basically all parties 161 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 4: involved that rookie season for Caleb Williams. Now, I think 162 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: initially with eber Flues and that staff, and it was 163 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 4: kind of a continuation from the draft when the Bears 164 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: are doing everything in their power to recruit Caleb Williams 165 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 4: and convince him to want to be a Bear. I 166 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: mean know, they changed their offense, they changed their plate. 167 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: Everything was kind of to play kate Caleb and. 168 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 5: Run what he did in college. And it does make 169 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 5: a lot. 170 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: Of sense, but it didn't go well obviously, and by 171 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 4: the time that it gets to an interim coach like 172 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 4: Thomas Brown and he wants. 173 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 5: To do it. 174 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: Ben Johnson did a year two hold Caleb Williams accountable, 175 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 4: you're one of fifty three, it was it was too 176 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: late right for that message to really resonate on the fly. 177 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 4: So I think Ben Johnson comes in And I talked 178 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 4: to somebody who's close with Ben Johnson after our series 179 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 4: came out, and he's like, you know, just so you know, 180 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 4: Ben did his research. 181 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 5: He knows what he's getting himself into. 182 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: When it comes to Caleb Williams, all the stuff we 183 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: reported on behind. 184 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 5: The scenes with the team, the GM, all of. 185 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 4: That, and to Ben Johnson's credit column day one, it's like, 186 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 4: you're gonna play the quarterback position, you're under center. 187 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 5: They take the risk, the risk band away. 188 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 4: So they're they're building an offense, they're building a quarterback, 189 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 4: they built a powerhouse rushing attack. They're forcing a ton 190 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 4: of turnovers on defense. And Caleb was really allowed, i think, 191 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 4: to develop week two, week two, week to week to 192 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: the point where you see the theatrics he did at 193 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: the end of the season because a lot of the 194 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: same problems. We're still there right with completion percentage, but hell, 195 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 4: they go out. They signed three offensive linemen in the 196 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 4: first week. 197 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 5: That helps. 198 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: And I think that Ben Johnson just being an old 199 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 4: school hard coach on him. It wasn't coming upon Caleb 200 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 4: to respond to his credit. 201 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 5: He did right. They won the division, they won a 202 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 5: playoff game. 203 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 204 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern non a em Pacific on Fox Sports 205 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 206 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 5: Hey it's Ben. 207 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 6: Host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. Would mean 208 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 6: a lot to have you join us on our weekly 209 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 6: auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name is the 210 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 6: Fifth Hour. 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Listen 216 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 6: to the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller on the iHeartRadio app, 217 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 6: Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. 218 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: I want to ask you. 219 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: The Vikings fired their GM today, and there's some belief 220 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: that Darnald his success in Seattle and being reminded of it, 221 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: and you've got so many NFL tentacles. I was never 222 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: a big JJ McCarthy fan. I thought he was more 223 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: of a second round talent. He's obviously struggled to stay healthy. 224 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: I think he's an NFL quarterback, but I didn't think 225 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: he was a replaced sam Donold quarterback. I thought, if 226 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: you couldn't get bo Nix or Drake May, those guys 227 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: to me are all build around. When the GM gets 228 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: fired today, what are your instincts. I'm not sure, if 229 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: you've made a call, what are your instincts on what happened? 230 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: Was there's Adam Schefter said there was tension in the building. 231 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: Jmax says, I don't buy that. That's just one of 232 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: those things to you know, to bury the GM. What 233 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: did you make of that move today? 234 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: By the Vikings, I think it probably was building for 235 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: a while. The tension head coach GM, right, quasy, dopamensa 236 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 4: comes from analytics, numbers, metrics. 237 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 5: That stuff is important. 238 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell is a quarterback guru, whatever word. 239 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 5: You want to use, right. 240 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 4: He has worked with some of the best quarterbacks, knows 241 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 4: the position inside and out. So I'm sure there might 242 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 4: be some clashing going on and all that stuff that's 243 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 4: gonna come out now, right, It always does. Yeah, it's 244 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 4: hard not to look past the Sam Donald thing. Right, 245 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: And when Sam Donald's in his Super Bowl, he was 246 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 4: in your building. Somebody is gonna be held accountable. Was 247 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 4: it the GM's fault? I don't know, right, I mean, 248 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 4: because Kevin O'Connell, you can see. 249 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 5: The logic in him wanting to draft. 250 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: His own guy, develop his own guy. He has been 251 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 4: effusive in his praise of JJ McCarthy, But I just 252 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 4: think more than anything. And I actually was just talking 253 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 4: to a player for the Vikings, a veteran about this 254 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 4: a couple of days ago, and the way he put 255 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 4: it was perfect, and he said, our plan was just 256 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,359 Speaker 4: a little confused. 257 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: On paper. 258 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 4: It looks great rookie quarterback contract, spend a lot of 259 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 4: money on the lines. They've got the defense and got 260 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: the weaponry. You know, everything makes sense. But you didn't 261 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 4: really know if JJ McCarthy was that dude yet. You 262 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 4: just kind of saw it in OTA's and you just 263 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 4: got a sense for his chrisma, but you didn't know 264 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 4: if he could play yet. And I mean it was 265 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 4: ugly obviously in his first year as a starter. 266 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 5: So this is this kind of thing that happens. Somebody 267 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 5: has to be able, accountable. 268 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: Little updates on all of it circle back one more. 269 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: McDermott's not taking a head job. Does that surprise you, 270 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: Sean mcdermot's going to pass. I think he would have 271 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: been interested in, say maybe a Baltimore, but now it's Arizona, 272 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: it's Las Vegas. Are you surprised? You know him well, 273 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: you sat and talked with him before at length, mcdermot's like, 274 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm getting out of this. 275 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: Are you surprised? You know what? 276 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:43,359 Speaker 4: Colin not surprised, because I think it did take until about. 277 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 5: A year eight eight and a half of nine for Sean. 278 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 4: To really realize, Look, we don't have jobs without Josh Allen. 279 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 4: It took too long, but I think eventually he kind 280 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 4: of saw who really makes the thing go. 281 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 5: He's not just. 282 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: Gonna hurl himself into a bad organization, a bad. 283 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 5: Environment without the quarterback. 284 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 4: Now he's gonna be picky, He's gonna be choosy. But 285 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 4: does that team exist next year? That's what we don't know. 286 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 4: And look, there were a lot of assistant coaches who 287 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 4: worked for him that took lateral jobs. It might be 288 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: difficult for him to build a staff too. Probably the 289 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 4: best decision just take a year off, step away from 290 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 4: the game. He's a grinder himself. If he wants to 291 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 4: go that route and rebuild a team, that's what he 292 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: does well. 293 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 5: But I think he knows he needs to quarterback. 294 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: Golongtd dot Com always inside stuff. Great job, Tyler, done 295 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: as always and for ship you stopping buy anytime. 296 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 5: Colin, Thanks so much, man. 297 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: You bet substatgolong tv dot com. He's got all sorts 298 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: of stuff out there. You hear him on this show, 299 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: the volume we put him on. He just does a 300 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: terrific job. Jmack with the news. 301 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: No, no, this is the Herdline News. 302 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 7: With all due respect to the Super Bowl, the World 303 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 7: Cup is the biggest sporting event every year that it 304 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 7: takes place. It's not even close and Colin. The excitement 305 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 7: for the World Cup right now is crazy. Kicks off 306 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 7: June eleventh. FIFA says it received more than five hundred 307 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 7: million that's million ticket requests in a month long application 308 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 7: window which closed this week. Everybody's asking for two to 309 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 7: four tickets, right so that likely means one billion ticket requests. 310 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 7: One billion. This is gonna be incredible. I'm so excited. 311 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 7: Now they have the most requested matches, none of them 312 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 7: involving in the US, which is kind of a bummer, 313 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 7: but you know, people want to see stars. So Christiano 314 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 7: Ronaldo's Portugal was the number one most requested game against Columbia. Obviously, 315 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 7: Mexico is huge. Mexico was number two at number four, 316 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 7: and then the World Cup final checking in. I'm geeked 317 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 7: for the US Games hope dope together go to. 318 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: Tour from outres in ls skilled team. 319 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: Ever, Yeah, unlike the last World Cup where we were 320 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: just too young. We played the Netherlands at one point 321 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: and it felt like you know, it felt like grown 322 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: ups and the young guys. I think we're at the 323 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: perfect spot where our young players are moving into their 324 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: early primes. For what's unique about this, we usually are 325 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: really good in goal. That's one of the only positions 326 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: we're not quite sure. It's very unsettled, and that's usually 327 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: a strength of the United States men's national team. 328 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: But I can't wait. I mean, I've got a new coach, Jim, 329 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: We've got a new coach. 330 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: There's been just enough, not dissension, but just enough turbulence 331 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: to keep it interesting. But I do think this is 332 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: the first time going into a World Cup that the 333 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: United States men's national team does not have to play 334 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: against elite teams sort of a defensive style. That we 335 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: can be an attacking team against even the best countries, 336 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: and I've never felt that before. 337 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 8: There's the US matches on the screen. 338 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 7: We open against Paraguay followed by Australia. 339 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 8: I'm not lying, Colin. 340 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 7: We should go to and zero in those games. Now 341 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 7: we're going to be to both of them. Here's the 342 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 7: real interesting aspect. I do believe this is a team 343 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 7: that could have a ceiling of like making the Final four, 344 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 7: making the final eight. 345 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, do you think that's like reasonable? 346 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: Remember we're at final eight. 347 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: Yes, I do think there's an advantage if you can 348 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: play here in the States. 349 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 350 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: And again health is a factor if we go in healthy. 351 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: But we're more skilled than we've ever been where our 352 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: team got a little old couple World Cups ago, last 353 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: year we were a little young. It's just like every 354 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: other sport in America when a majority of your roster 355 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: is either in their prime, going in their prime, or 356 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: maybe hanging on for a year or two of their prime. 357 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: When a majority of your roster is somewhere around you 358 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: know that in for soccer, maybe it's five six years 359 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: of prime athleticism. 360 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: And I think that's where we're at. 361 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: We have a lot of guys Polistics in his prime, 362 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: but we have a lot of guys that are young 363 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: just going into their prime, which means the next World 364 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: Cup after this we'll still be in it. 365 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: That's a pretty good group of players. 366 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean yeah, Now the prime window is tough. Obviously, 367 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 7: Messi and Ronaldo two of the greatest athletes to ever 368 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 7: walk the planet. It looks like both of them are 369 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 7: gonna play in this World Cup, which is crazy. 370 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 8: We thought we were they. 371 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 7: Were done after the last one. I'm so fired up. 372 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 7: All right, let's go back to the NFL Colin and 373 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 7: if you remember the Buffalo Bills owner mister Pagula, he 374 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 7: jumped in on a press conference with the GM and 375 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 7: was like, hey, the GM didn't pick Keon Coleman and 376 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 7: he got ugly. Essentially, they were taking jabs at the 377 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 7: underperforming I think he was the second round pick and 378 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 7: they were saying, hey, the coach that we fired wanted him. 379 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: Well. 380 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 7: Josh Allen was asked about the key On Coleman situation, 381 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 7: and this is what professionals do. 382 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 8: Here's Josh Allen. 383 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 9: He will come back from that. I'm not going to 384 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 9: give up on zero. He's got too much ability, you know, 385 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 9: and I will not give up on him. We're gonna 386 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 9: we're gonna work tirelessly, him and me and Swells everybody 387 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 9: else in this building to make sure that whenever we 388 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 9: stepped foot on the field that we're gonna We're gonna 389 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 9: find ways to win football games, and he's gonna be 390 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 9: a part of that. Now. 391 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: Listen he yeah, go ahead, go ahead, Well Brady's Joe 392 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: Brady came out and said I stood on the table 393 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: for Keyon Coleman. Like he did the opposite of what 394 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: had been said earlier. He was like kind of put 395 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: a life preserver out there. He said, I love this kid. 396 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm the one that jumped on the table and said, 397 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: go get Coleman. 398 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: This is my guy. 399 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: So that's going to ingratiate, right, Joe Brady, he's crying 400 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: for Josh Allen. 401 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: He is stumping for Coleman. 402 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: He is, as Tyler Dunnes said, Joe Brady is younger 403 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: and more player friendly than McDermott, more emotional, and that'll 404 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: play well. 405 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, these young guys who come into the league, 406 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 7: not all of them are ready to be pros. I 407 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 7: mean this guy was late and meetings he got benched 408 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 7: a bunch like calling that stuff happens. Do you remember 409 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 7: how goofy you were in your first TV games? So yeah, 410 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 7: I'm Colin. I was a young guy working newspaper jobs 411 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 7: and they'd be like, hey, you got to cover this 412 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 7: high school football game on a Saturday. 413 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 8: Well, I'm going out Friday night. I'm getting hammered. I'm 414 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 8: having fun. 415 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 7: I'm Jason gurls like, and I'm vomiting Saturday morning being lake. 416 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 8: To football Like. 417 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 7: That's the stuff happens when your two dual ear double bearing. Yes, 418 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 7: I was rocking the double hoop earrings. 419 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 8: Listen. 420 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 7: When you're in New York City, You're like, what do 421 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 7: I care about this high school football game? I want 422 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 7: to have fun, So listen. Keon Coleman, there's some growing 423 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 7: up to do, some maturity involved. 424 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 8: I think he's gonna be fine. 425 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 7: And I do like Josh Allen caping up for his 426 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 7: embattled wide receiver. Don't like the owner take a jabs. 427 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 7: Final story, Colin, the Browns hired Todd monk Kid. I 428 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 7: like how you laugh as soon as I say the Browns. 429 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 7: How about this one? It has come out that as 430 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 7: part of the hiring process, the Browns gave all the 431 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 7: candidates a personality test, and one of the questions was 432 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 7: how would you develop Shduer Sanders. I'm gonna go ahead 433 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 7: and let you take it away from here, because I've 434 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 7: said enough not nice things about Shadoor this week, this. 435 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: Is the hardest job of all the jobs available to 436 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: look really tough to me Arizona and Cleveland. I think 437 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: if the Raiders get Mendoza, that's that job. 438 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 3: You could win. 439 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: Two jobs look difficult Arizona Cleveland. Why make it tougher? 440 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: Why ask more of your candidates? That just doesn't well. 441 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 7: So, Also, what if you're Deshaun Watson or Dylan Gabriel 442 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 7: in the quarterback room. By the way, the last coach 443 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 7: had Dylan Gabriel start ahead of shaduur Chador was a 444 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 7: practice squad guy. 445 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 8: What are you thinking if you're Dylan Gabriel. Oh, they're 446 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 8: done with me. 447 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 7: I'm out, like I got no shot. They don't even 448 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 7: think about developing me. Just what are we doing Cleveland? 449 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 7: My goodness, just pathetic. 450 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: Jmack with the news. 451 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping. 452 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: By The Herd Line News Jmax Tomorrow's headlines today, I 453 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: can't wait next. 454 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch editions of the Herd Weekdays and 455 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 2: Noon Easter not a em Pacific. 456 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: Usually this is one of the actually slower weeks, the 457 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: slowest week of the football season when the conference championships 458 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: are decided you have a big Monday show, and then 459 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: you have four days you don't want to talk too 460 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: much NFL because of the super Bowl, and that's what 461 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: you'll be sort of devoured. Everybody will be devoured by 462 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: that next week. So we look forward to the kind 463 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: of a guest list we don't normally have. We don't 464 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: use as many guests throughout the course of the year 465 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: like next week, and we'll make sure we bring in 466 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: the right ones. But this week has moved along because 467 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: of all the coaching hires, some high profile ones. And 468 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: so with that we move into one of my favorite 469 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: segments every week. It's called Tomorrow's Headlines Today Mike McCarthy 470 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: and the Steelers, Jmack. 471 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 3: What's the headline all right? 472 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: Now? 473 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 7: It's difficult to do some of these outlooks because free agency, 474 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 7: the draft, coaching staffs aren't even fully filled. 475 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 8: But we have an idea of where teams are headed. 476 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 7: So for the Pittsburgh Sailors and Mike McCarthy, the headline 477 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 7: next season will be, it's McCarthy. We can lose if 478 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 7: we want to lose, if we want to. I don't 479 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 7: see it, Colin, I don't I'm tracking here. Second oldest 480 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 7: roster in the NFL. That's not great. I'm counting a 481 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 7: guard as a free agent, maybe their best guard gain well, 482 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 7: their backup running back who's good an aging defense, Colin. 483 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 7: There just isn't a lot of blue chip chat talent 484 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 7: on this Pittsburgh Steelers roster. Now, if McCarthy can find 485 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 7: a quarterback, great, we know he's an offensive mind. But 486 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 7: everything I look at up and down offense, defense, special teams, 487 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 7: they're not as good as the Cincinnati Bengals. I don't 488 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 7: think they're gonna be as good as the Baltimore Ravens. 489 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 7: And remember, if the Ravens kicker makes that field goal 490 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 7: at the end of forty four yarder and the Ravens 491 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 7: go to the playoffs and the Steelers miss, is it 492 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 7: total panic in Pittsburgh. We'll see if Will Howard is 493 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 7: the guy. I've heard pretty good reviews on him. I 494 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 7: think the smart move and I know Steelers don't want 495 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 7: fans don't want to hear it, is you rite out 496 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 7: Will Howard. 497 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 8: Maybe you win five games and you get. 498 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 7: A high draft pick and you get a quarterback and 499 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 7: you start to cycle again. 500 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: Interesting tomorrow's headlines today. I think I know where you 501 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: lean on this first year coach, Joe Brady and the 502 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. 503 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, Josh Allen I believe is the most talented 504 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 7: quarterback in the league right now. 505 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 8: He's great, So they're going to be in the mix. 506 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 7: But I did say the Super Bowl windows closing in 507 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 7: Colin the headline for the Buffalo Bills and Joe Brady, 508 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 7: will me say it eight Joe Bill's barely clear playoff window. 509 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 8: As you see Josh diving out as the windows shrinks. 510 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 7: I think they'll make the playoffs only because the division 511 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 7: is rotten. I mean, my Jets are a dumpster fire. 512 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 7: They continue to be just horrific. The Miami Dolphins, I 513 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 7: don't think they've had a good offseason so far with 514 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 7: the coaching hire the GM. So Buffalo by default is 515 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 7: going to fall backwards and win ten games, assuming Josh 516 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 7: Allen's upright. 517 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 8: But Colin, you want to talk problems. 518 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 7: Eight starters are free agents, eight and several of them 519 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 7: are on defense, where they were pretty lowly rated against 520 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 7: the run, against the pass. I don't know that the 521 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 7: talent is there. We'll see what happens. As you noted, 522 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 7: Josh Allen's cap hit sixth biggest among quarterbacks next season, 523 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 7: and maybe. 524 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 8: They can retool. 525 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 7: You know, Bosha comes back on the cheap, But two 526 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 7: starting linebackers free agents, Milano, who's starting to age because 527 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 7: of all the injuries, Shaq Thompson, you know, cornerback or 528 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 7: Trenavie is White. Is he gonna come back again? If 529 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 7: Josh Allen's healthy, they're fine. If Josh Allen has to 530 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 7: miss a couple of weeks. 531 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 8: This is a. 532 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 7: Honestly a bottom five team in the league. Give me, 533 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 7: give me ten wins for the Bills. 534 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: You make good points. 535 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: Tomorrow's headlines today Raiders new head coach. I like the 536 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: quarterback they're going to draft, Well. 537 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 7: We think they're going Mendoza. I can't envision it on 538 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 7: alternative scenario, but it is interesting that they haven't hired anybody, 539 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 7: and Seattle is still playing the headline for the Vegas 540 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 7: Raiders will be rubiks Kubiak. 541 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 8: Raiders still stuck on playoff puzzle. 542 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 7: I do believe, like you, Kubiak will be the next 543 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 7: head coach of the Raiders. It's an attractive job. You're right, Mendoza, 544 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 7: he's got a lot of promise. You do have the 545 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 7: left tackle and Colton Miller. Elite tight end in Brock 546 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 7: Bauers and Ashton gent who we like a lot. The problem, 547 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 7: Colin is after that, there's not a lot of talent. 548 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 7: Now this may surprise you. The Raiders have the third 549 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 7: most salary cap room heading into this offseason, right, so 550 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 7: they can retool on the offensive line. Have you seen 551 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 7: their wide receiver room, Colin, It might be the worst 552 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 7: group in the NFL. It's not good at all. They 553 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 7: traded Jacoby Myers, which turned out to be a disaster, 554 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 7: but defense it's weird. They graded out pretty good like 555 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 7: league average, but if you look individually at the player grades, 556 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 7: they're not great. Some of that could be that the 557 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 7: offense was so bad Gino Smith with the turnovers that 558 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 7: the opposing teams weren't trying to score much. 559 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 8: They were just handing off because it was a formall. 560 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 8: So I think there's a lot of work to do here. 561 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 8: For Kobiak, this is still a five to six win team. 562 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 7: But you and I are both bullishaw Mendoza, I see 563 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 7: a young, young, early stage Tom Brady, just a smart quarterback, cerebral, 564 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 7: puts the ball where it belongs. So I do think 565 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 7: the future is bright, but next season it's gonna be 566 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 7: a tough go. 567 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 568 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: Our final NFL topic Tomorrow's headlines today the Arizona Cardinals. 569 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: I felt a couple of years ago they were so 570 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: promising and it feels like it's just bottomed out. 571 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 8: Yeah. 572 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 7: I don't know what the quarterback situation is there with 573 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 7: Kyler Murray. Hell, what are they doing a head coach. 574 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 7: The headline for the Arizona Cardinals will be one LeFleur 575 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 7: over the Cardinals, Nests, Cardinals stay cuckoo. I think it's 576 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 7: gonna be Mike Lafleur, the Rams offensive coordinator. He had 577 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 7: a run with the Jets that was not really memorable, 578 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 7: but then again, he had Zach Wilson at quarterback, obviously, 579 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 7: the brother of Lafleur the Packers. He's been with the 580 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 7: Niners as well, So I think there's some promise here. 581 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 7: Here's where it gets interesting, Colin. I believe they move 582 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 7: off Kyler Murray. And the name to watch here is 583 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 7: Malik Willis. So he was with Lafleur's brother in Green Bay. 584 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 7: He showed well as a backup. I think it's a 585 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 7: seamless move. And honestly, here's the scary part. That division's loaded. 586 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 7: The Cardinals skill position guys. James Connor is a top 587 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 7: ten back in the league. Mfrey McBride is an. 588 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 8: Elite tight end. 589 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 7: Harold Wilson, well, not Fitzgerial, but Harrison Jr. Harrison Jr. 590 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 7: And also Michael Wilson who had one thousand yard seven 591 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 7: touchdowns player. Dude, I'm just telling you, you get a 592 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 7: quarterback in there. They've got the engine ready and Arizona 593 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 7: can hang. They showed that they could hang with the 594 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 7: NFC West this season. Defense is another story, but I 595 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 7: do think Lafleur would be a step in the right 596 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 7: direction for Arizona. 597 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: That's kind of interesting, kind of like that the hardballs 598 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: and the Lafleur's. Well, there's been a big headline. The 599 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: Greek freak is the nickname Tomorrow's headlines today. Yannis moving 600 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: Nicks heat feel right to me. Some speculate the Warriors. 601 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 3: What say you? 602 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 7: So the trade deadline is next Thursday, but unfortunately Yannis 603 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 7: is on the shelf four to six with another calf injury. 604 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 7: Where we get too shortly. So you and I were 605 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 7: in Arizona for the Super Bowl. I'll never forget being 606 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 7: in an uber when I got the news that Kevin 607 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 7: Durant was moved. 608 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 8: I don't know if you remember that it was a 609 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 8: seismic stuff. 610 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 7: Will we see that next Thursday the headline for Yannis 611 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 7: will be fetaget about it, Greek planted in the garden. Yes, 612 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 7: I do believe the Knicks and impetuous James Dolan make 613 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 7: an irrational move and they go after Yannis. 614 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 8: Colin. 615 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 7: I'm a little nervous because there are I think two 616 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 7: in the East. Right now, you get Yannis, he's out 617 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 7: four to six. You're gonna fall in the standing now. 618 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 7: The only way the Knicks get him. It's not gonna 619 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 7: just be for call Anthony Towns. No, They're gonna have 620 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 7: to move off o g Anernobi. And there is a 621 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 7: huge divide among Knicks fans. Yeah, well shucks is Brunts, Hart, Mikhale, 622 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 7: Bridges and Giannis. 623 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 8: Is that enough? Is there enough shooting? Because he is 624 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 8: not a great shooter. 625 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: It is enough in the East. 626 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: And here's why I think it makes sense, because I 627 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: think they're gonna have I think you're right is that 628 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: you have got Brunson. His liability defensively, but he's so 629 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: good offensively and so smart and such a good leader. 630 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: He is the best quarterback New York has had since 631 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: Eli Manning. He is a great I want him to 632 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: be my guy. For his size, He's a remarkable closer, tough, gritty. 633 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: I like everything about him. Classic Villanova guy with great skill, 634 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: kind of a liability on the defensive end. You can 635 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: work him, and that's okay. A lot of great offensive players. 636 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: Luke is another one, Hardens another one. I don't want him. 637 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: You know, you can pick on him. You gotta you 638 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: gotta be able to defend the rim. You need length 639 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: and athleticism. Karl Anthony Town similarly is a below average defender, 640 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: and so just getting just that move all Loan is 641 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: And again I think there's a lot of Josh Hart. 642 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: You know, Brunson and Jannis give you two elite players 643 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: in the East that can win the East in a year. 644 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: Jason Tatum is out. And and by the way, if 645 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: you did it and just got to this finals in 646 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: New York that plays pretty well, you'd be good with Jannis. 647 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: But this may be your opening. Tatum's out, Boston's still good, 648 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: Halli Burton will come back. Orlando is still young. This 649 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: may you know, we talk about this all the time. 650 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: You can see the aggressive team Seese, the window, Yeah, 651 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: the ad outside of Detroit. This is the moment for 652 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: New York. So I think I think the Knicks feels 653 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: like the move. 654 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 8: Yeah. 655 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 7: So even if they don't do Og to the Bucks, 656 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 7: they may have to move Og to a different team. Right, 657 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 7: get more picks because he's going to be in high 658 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 7: demand three and D wing, and then you put the 659 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 7: picks in towns and send them to the Bucks. Colin, 660 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 7: I just don't know Mitchell Robinson, Right, he's an amaze 661 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 7: offensive rebound. Can you play Mitchell Robinson, Jannis and Josh 662 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 7: Hart three non shooters at the same time. You'll be 663 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 7: great defensively, but I just don't know if the offense 664 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 7: is going to be there. 665 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: Man, here's the thing that's really to me that's really interesting, 666 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: and we've noticed this with this draft and next year's draft. 667 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: They're unbelievable Like stars everywhere we went about twenty years 668 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: where you were lucky if you got three really really 669 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: good guys in the draft. I mean this this past draft, 670 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: it looks like the top five guys are all dudes. 671 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: Like now, they're all good now, and they're all kids, 672 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: and last year's draft was pretty good. 673 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: My take is draft picks going forward mean more. 674 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: There was a twenty year period where you were getting 675 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, you were getting a lot of guys one 676 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: guys who played in a very deluded week. College basketball 677 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: a sport now because of nil, college basketball has got 678 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: all sorts of good Euros. So you if you're Cooper Flagg, 679 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: you're playing against Euros. You're playing against better players. So 680 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: it's a better training ground. So I value draft picks 681 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: going forward. So if the Bucks could get four draft picks, yeah, 682 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: those are four potentially nice starters. Yeah. 683 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 7: Let me ask you though, this Yannis calf injury. This 684 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 7: is a third calf injury he's had in two years, Colin, 685 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 7: and you know what those lead to. Historically he is 686 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 7: thirty one, a lot of tread on those tires, a lot. 687 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 8: Of playoff trips. Although they haven't had success. 688 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 7: Recently, it would be devastating if they traded for Yiannis 689 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 7: forced him back, And you know what, at le. 690 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: That's why I said j Mack, I don't think Jannis 691 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: equals titles. I could argue if you trade for him, 692 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: this is the year because Tatum and Halliburton This is 693 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: the year that guarantees a trip to the finals. Once 694 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: Tatum comes back, that team is better than the next. 695 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 7: Don't you think the Knicks can get to the finals 696 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 7: without Yannis this year? 697 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 8: I mean there are number two in the East. 698 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 7: They went through a little malaise recently. They're stacked, man, 699 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 7: they got a great team. Carl Aante Towns is not 700 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 7: playing like a guy who's thrilled to be in New 701 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 7: York giving the honest chatter right now. 702 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: I wish they would have kept TIBs. Nothing against like, 703 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 3: please give you very. 704 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: Very good defensively. With old TIBs, we'll see him window