1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. They invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sanatra channaplay. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: to Coast am employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 3: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 3: our loved ones have survived physical death and so will we. 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 3: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. You know how many 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 3: people say they had dreams of their loved ones and 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: they seemed so real, they were filled with love. Wouldn't 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: it be great if we could create our own dreams, 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: meet our loved ones on demand. I had an Aha 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: moment this past week and I actually think we may 23 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: be able to do this. On my other podcast, which 24 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: is called We Don't Die Radio, which is all interviews 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: interviews with people about why they believe in the afterlife, 26 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: I talked with a scientist, doctor Garrett Yant, from the 27 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: Institute of Noetic Sciences. Our conversation was about consciousness, surviving death, 28 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: consciousness being able to leave our body, as far as 29 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: out of body experiences, astral projection, near death experiences, remote viewing. 30 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: He's also the author of the book Why Vibes Matter, 31 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: Understand Your Energy and How to Use it wisely. And 32 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: one of the things I knew about him was that 33 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: he studied lucid dreaming and did a test with the 34 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 3: Institute of Noetic Sciences on how people could be trained 35 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 3: in lucid dreaming to be able to heal PTSD. And 36 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: I was fascinated, and it just seemed to me, what 37 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 3: if we could use lucid dreaming to connect with our 38 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: loved ones. I can't find any information out there about 39 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: somebody who's studying this and practicing it, But why not, 40 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: so I want to play for you a few minutes 41 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: of doctor Yant talking about lucid dreaming and giving some 42 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: advice about how to get into it, and then we'll 43 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: talk more about maybe what we can do to purposely 44 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: communicate with our own loved ones who have passed, and 45 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: just so we're on the same page about lucid dreaming. 46 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: Lucid dreams are the ones that are so clear and 47 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: so real. And the thing is is you know your dreaming. 48 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: So if there's a monster in front of you and 49 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: you know your dreaming, you can either cast a magic 50 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: wand and make them disappear, or perhaps put yourself on 51 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: a beach vacation somewhere sipping up margarita because you know 52 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: you're dreaming and you can control your dreams. So here's 53 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: doctor Yant and myself. 54 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 4: For me, lucid dreaming is where it's at because of 55 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: the ability to basically access to your subconscious mind and 56 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: kind of grow through that. The study we did was 57 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: involving folks with PTSD and their goal was to go 58 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 4: in a dream and transform their trauma in the dream. 59 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 4: This was done with Charlie Morley. He's a fantastic lucidreamy 60 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 4: teacher out of London. You can find him online Charliemorley 61 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 4: dot com. You know, we've seen results. He was doing 62 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 4: workshops with people with PTSD for a long time and 63 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 4: had great results, got a Winston Churchill you know, Fellowship 64 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 4: award for it all. And so we said, oh, let's 65 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 4: see if you can put a little science, you know, 66 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 4: combine it with the science, and see if we can 67 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 4: get some data out of this rather than just people's testimonials. 68 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: So we did the pilot study two years ago. It 69 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: turned out incredibly well, folks nightmares going away, PTSD symptoms 70 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: going down, lasting a whole month. We checked again. So 71 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: that was just published in the Journal of Traumatology. So 72 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 4: I'm very happy published in that journal because it's a 73 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: mainstream APA journal. Hopefully we'll get you know, this idea 74 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 4: out there and people research it more and understand more 75 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 4: about the therapeutic potential of these lucid dreams. And so 76 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 4: we actually just have now repeated that with a larger group, 77 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 4: with a randomized control group, you know, really formalized. So 78 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 4: stay tuned a couple of months, we should know how 79 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 4: that turns out. 80 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited by this. I was searching you out 81 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: on YouTube today and seeing some of the videos, and 82 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: there's so many people that have suffered a loss of 83 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: a loved one, and I know what it's like to 84 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: go through deep grief. And although it's different than PTSD, 85 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: I couldn't help, but think could lucid dreaming impact somehow 86 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 3: and lessen grief? And we all I feel like the 87 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: only way to get to the other side of grief 88 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: is straight through it. There's dearly things we can do 89 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: to help aviate the pain, to help us believe that 90 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: our loved ones are still around. So I went to 91 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 3: the ions dot org website today and I booked the 92 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 3: class in Lucid Dreaming the Forces class because I said, 93 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: that's something I know about. I think I've had a 94 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 3: few accidental lucid dreaming experiences and they're so clear, and 95 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: I could go where I wanted to go and create 96 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: to create. But you know what, if I wanted to 97 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: create my dad and give him a big hug and say, Dad, 98 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: I know you're still with me, you know, I think 99 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 3: it could really help with the grieving process. 100 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 4: I agree on Hundre present. I don't have any experience 101 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 4: with that, and we haven't studied it, but from what 102 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: I've you know, learned from Charlie Morley as he's teaching 103 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: these folks, is you know one thing he says that 104 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: his Lindy just from Tibetan Buddhism. He says that the 105 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 4: Buddhists say that in the lucid dreams, So what they 106 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: really recommend meditating in that state and they say that 107 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 4: you have seven times the mind power in the lucid dreams, 108 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 4: so your meditations will be seven times is powerful. And 109 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 4: just like you're saying, the process of grieving could be 110 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: you know, working through that and transforming that trauma could 111 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 4: be seven times better in there. But it also fits 112 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: with a lot of the work that these folks with 113 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: PTSD did because many of them did have PTSD from 114 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: traumas and losses. And so they could you know, ask 115 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 4: to as you saw, you can do whatever you want 116 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 4: in the dream, but they could get asked to reconcile 117 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 4: or ask to convey and share love, you know, their 118 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: love with somebody and had an experience. So I think 119 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 4: that could be very powerful. I agree. 120 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: Now I know it's a process lucid dreaming getting into that, 121 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: but could you just give like a like a little sample. 122 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: Is it something we go to bed at night and 123 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: we wake up, set the alarm for three am, and 124 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: then take what's what's the basic way in. 125 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: There's Yeah, there's so many, so many ways, and I 126 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: can I can for sure. You tell you you know 127 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: some of the some of the fun quick ones and 128 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 4: all this I learned from Charlie Morley, by the way. 129 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: But the first thing he says to everybody is the 130 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 4: very first step is increasing your dream or recall. The 131 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: more that you remember your dreams, you're the better off 132 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: you are. And it's kind of the idea of you 133 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 4: just think about, Okay, this is this waking state of consciousness. 134 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 4: It's one kind of state, and the dream state is 135 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 4: over here. Building bridges across those states, kind of increasing 136 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: those tithes. You just throw rope over there. Well, it 137 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: works in the opposite direction. So the more that your 138 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 4: waking state remembers your dream state, the more chances that 139 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: in your dream state you can remember your waking state. 140 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 4: And so that's the first step. And so you just say, 141 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 4: get a dream log, put a little pad of paper 142 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 4: and pencil beside your bed. People like different ways somewhat 143 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 4: people like to put it in their phones or just 144 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 4: a voice recorder. I like to roll over it and 145 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 4: kind of don't even need to open my eyes, just 146 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: scribble down something on the page and just a few words, 147 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: because that's all it takes to like lock in that experience. 148 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 4: And the importantly for this, you start doing it and 149 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 4: even you wake up, by the time you roll over, 150 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: you didn't remember any dreams, or it's already around that corner. 151 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: As you know, dreams can just be like, oh I 152 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 4: remember it, but it's right right there. Even on those 153 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 4: days still right down could not recall my dream this 154 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 4: morning or it just went around the corner. Because it 155 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: builds that habit of your conscious mind. It is linking 156 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 4: to your subconscious mind. So even if you don't remember 157 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: the dream, just right down wasn't able to remember my 158 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 4: dream because that's still reinforcing the habit. So that's number one. 159 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 4: Number two, I would say my favorite and what allowed 160 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 4: me to get looser the first time actually living this 161 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 4: from Colors Castaneda his book Journey to Excellent and Charlie's 162 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 4: confirmed this. So you give yourself kind of a self 163 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 4: hypnotic suggestion as you're falling asleep and the one that 164 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: I learned from Castaneda was I will look at my 165 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 4: hand in my dream tonight and say that over and 166 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 4: over at least three times. I just give yourself that 167 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 4: certainty that I will look at my hand and my 168 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 4: dream tonight, and then if you're lucky in your dream, 169 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 4: you'll be you know, doing something and you'll see your 170 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 4: hand and you'll be, oh, I see my hand. I 171 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 4: see my hand. And I'm the one that said I'm 172 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: going to see my hand and my dream, and that 173 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 4: can light up the lucidity. So that worked for me. 174 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: Now Robert Wagner, who's going to teach the course that 175 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 4: you just signed up for, who's also an awesome teacher, 176 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 4: he adds a little bit to that technique for his self. 177 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 4: Hypnotic suggestion is I will look at my hand tonight 178 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 4: in my dream, and I will realize that I'm dreaming 179 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: like he just like finishes the whole thought kind of 180 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 4: the A goes to be and then be he goes 181 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 4: to see. So there's I'd say, there's the first two 182 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 4: things to start with. How's that sound enough? 183 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: But it sounds easy, but like anything, it takes practice. 184 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: It takes commitment, right and journaling would be good. 185 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 4: Is good. I will throw in one ware that's really 186 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 4: fun too. It's called reality testing, which is during the day, 187 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 4: like ten times just test your reality. Be like, am 188 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: I dreaming right now? And Charlie would like pull your 189 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 4: finger and if your finger goes or I don't like that, 190 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 4: oh I'm dreaming, And then you're dreaming. But of course 191 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 4: almost all the time you do it, oh I'm not dreaming. 192 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: But again that's a building a habit throughout the day 193 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 4: in your waking state of just questioning your reality. Then 194 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 4: that habit will carry into your dream state, may be dreaming, 195 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 4: and then you can question it and then find the answers. Yeah, 196 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: you are dreaming. 197 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: Yes, I signed up for a LUCID dreaming course at 198 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: ions dot org. You don't have to sign up for 199 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 3: a course. I don't think. There's lots of YouTube videos 200 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: and people talking about lucid dreams and the different ways 201 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 3: we could enter that state. But to enter that state, 202 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: I know that I've experienced lucid dreams that are so 203 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 3: clear and so real, and I can direct what happens. 204 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: Could you imagine being in a lucid dream going into 205 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: a park, sitting on a park bench and inviting your 206 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: loved one to sit with you. Now, is it your 207 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: loved one? Is it your subconscious I think it would 208 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: provide a wonderful opportunity for our loved ones from the 209 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: other side to work with us on this. I know 210 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: one thing for sure. If you have lots of experiences, 211 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: loving experiences being reunited with your loved one, that's going 212 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: to make a huge difference on grief. If you want 213 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: to hear that whole interview, by the way, you can 214 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: easily go to We Dootdie dot com, click on the 215 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: radio show page and listen to that there, or of 216 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: course it's on YouTube. Just go to We Don't Die 217 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 3: Radio and you'll find it. So in the next segment, 218 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: I want to stick with Lucid Dreaming and then for 219 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 3: the second half you ask the question, Sandra, can you 220 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: talk about a Kashak Records and the afterlife? So that 221 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: will be in the second half. We'll be right back. 222 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 223 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 224 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and in 225 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: this segment, I want you to just play around with 226 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: the idea of joining me on an experiment to see 227 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: if we can successfully connect with our loved ones through 228 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: lucid dreaming. Nobody's done this before. I don't think or 229 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 3: I can't find it, but just how real lucid dreaming 230 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: is so This first clip is from Charlie Morley, who 231 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: doctor Yan spoke about. 232 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 5: Just last week, scientists from four different laboratories proved for 233 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 5: the first time ever that it was possible to engage 234 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 5: live two way communication between the waking state and the 235 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 5: lucid dream while the dreamer was still sound asleep. A 236 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 5: lucid dream is a dream in which you're actively aware 237 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 5: of the fact you're dreaming as the dream is happening. 238 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: So you're sound asleep dreaming away, but in the dream 239 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 5: you go, oh wow, this is all a dream. Then 240 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 5: you can choose to direct or even control the dream 241 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 5: at will, guiding your conscious mind through the debts of 242 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 5: your unconscious. Lucid dreaming can be used to work with addictions, phobias, depression, 243 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 5: confidence issues, treating PTSD, or just having fun by flying 244 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 5: around an internal representation of your own psychology. 245 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: Next, here's some words about lucid dreaming from Tim post. 246 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 6: When I was seven years old, I had this recurring nightmare. 247 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 6: I dreamed about this huge IM found the space, and 248 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 6: I was locked up in a tiny iron cage by 249 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 6: the old and awful and scary looking snow white witch. Now, 250 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 6: in that dream, I felt truly terrified. So as soon 251 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 6: as I woke up from the nightmare in the middle 252 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 6: of the night, I ran to my mom. I was crying. 253 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 6: I woke her up and I told her about my nightmare, 254 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 6: and she would always reassure me of this simple fact 255 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 6: that it was just a dream. And so, feeling a 256 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 6: bit more reassured and safe, I returned asleep. But at 257 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 6: one particular night had the exact same nightmare. So suddenly 258 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 6: I found myself again in that iron cage, holding onto 259 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 6: the iron bars and looking to the old witch while 260 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 6: remembering what my mother said to me just a few 261 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 6: hours ago. Now, interestingly, that realization did not wake me up, 262 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 6: so I knew that I was dreaming while still being 263 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 6: in the dream, and I can still vividly recall how 264 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 6: I looked around in the dream and had a sense 265 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 6: of my own dream body, which felt incredibly real, while 266 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 6: I knew that my real physical body was actually lying 267 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 6: in bed asleep in some other place called waking life. 268 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 6: It was a stunning, very profound experience, and at the 269 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 6: same time, it didn't feel scared by the old wage 270 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 6: because I knew she was just part of my dreaming mind. 271 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 6: So I really felt empowered and free. Now, as a 272 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 6: seven year old kid, I had no idea that these 273 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 6: kinds of dreams in which you know that you are 274 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 6: dreaming are scientifically referred to as lucid dreams, and that 275 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 6: these lucid dreams seem to almost exclusively occur in sleep 276 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 6: stage that we call rem sleep rapid eye movement sleep, 277 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 6: and that's the stage in which we experience our most vivid, 278 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 6: most immersive dreams. And so these are not your typical 279 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 6: one dimensional daydreamlike experiences in which you're just visualizing something 280 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 6: and you still have a sense of your own physical 281 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 6: body and you're just imagining stuff. Now, in these remsleep dreams, 282 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 6: as would be true for our lucidreams as well, we 283 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 6: are provided with this fully immersive, three dimensional, multisensory hallucinatory experience. 284 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 6: So it feels like almost being absorbed into your imagination. 285 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 6: You own this dream body that you can use and 286 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 6: move around with not just to look at your dream surroundings, 287 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 6: but for example, touch the dream ground. It's texture, it's hardness. 288 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 6: That's how real our dreams are. Each and every night 289 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 6: in remsleep is incredible. You could listen to dream music 290 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 6: or someone's voice in a dream. You could even smell 291 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 6: or taste dream food. Wow. Now, at the same time, 292 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 6: fellucidream provides for limitless flexibility, as our dreaming mind is 293 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 6: condition continuously listening to and giving shape to our thoughts 294 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 6: and intentions while we are dreaming. And so once you 295 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 6: turn lucid in a dream, you could consciously and reflectively 296 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 6: refocus your thoughts and intentions in order to reshape the 297 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 6: entire dream and dream about anything that you can imagine 298 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 6: while you are dreaming. And so you could allow an 299 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 6: entire dream city to appear, or your favorite sports car, 300 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 6: or you could give yourself any kind of superhero power 301 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 6: that you can imagine, like flying or walking through walls. 302 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 6: Or you can just consciously decide to explore the dream 303 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 6: while knowing that it is a dream, and just go 304 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 6: to the left or go to the right and just 305 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 6: leave the dream as it is. 306 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 7: Now. 307 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 6: Lastly, that the lucid dream is a learnable skill. So 308 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 6: about twenty percent of the general population of US has 309 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 6: at least one spontaneous lucid dream each month. But now 310 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 6: through scientific study, there are various cognitive techniques that anyone 311 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 6: can learn to apply in order to have these lucid 312 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 6: dreams deliberately. And so now today there are thousands and 313 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 6: thousands of lucid dreamers all over the world who are 314 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 6: practicing lucid dreaming to have these extraordinary dream experiences that 315 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 6: are impossible or very unlikely according to our ordinary waking life, 316 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 6: social and physical standards. So for example, they're exciting flying 317 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 6: dream in which you are a superhero and fly above 318 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 6: the clouds, or this exhilarating adventure in which they are 319 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 6: the main character in their own blockbuster dream movie, or 320 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 6: romantic dream. And of course there are many other lucid 321 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 6: dreams that you can think of, because anything is possible 322 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 6: in a lucidream, right, kind of incredible. Now, if you 323 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 6: take a closer look at these three lucid dream features 324 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 6: and you would kind of add them up, you might 325 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 6: come to see that the lucid dream provides for this 326 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 6: fully immersive virtual simulator. Right now, that functional description is 327 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 6: not far from what scientists believe to be the function 328 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 6: of our ordinary rem sleep dreams, although more precisely the 329 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 6: function of threat simulation and its related memory consolidation. So, 330 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 6: for example, in the old days, when we would encounter 331 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 6: this dangerous bear in waking life, we would be frightened 332 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 6: and hopefully be able to survive. Then that following night, 333 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 6: our dreaming mind would pick up on those waking life 334 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 6: threats simulate those in our dreams in order for our 335 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 6: dreaming mind to reinforce on the neural circuits that are 336 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 6: involved with the schemas and the expectations and the scripts 337 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 6: that we need to effectively survive the next waking life 338 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 6: threat the following day, when we would encounter a slightly 339 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 6: different bear in a slightly different circumstance. Now, in modern days, 340 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 6: most people don't dream about dangerous bare encounters anymore. We 341 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 6: would dream about an angry boss encounter, or a family 342 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 6: member or a friend or whatever that we need to 343 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 6: cope with in order to socially survive, and through that 344 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 6: same process, our dreaming mind picks up on those social 345 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 6: threats and simulate those in our dreams in order to 346 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 6: reinforce those related schemas in scripts and so on. Now 347 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 6: imagine turning lucid in those dreams and to consciously and 348 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 6: reflectively enhance that function of psychological development and use the 349 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 6: flexibility of the lucid dream to experiment with improved behavior 350 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 6: to learn from in the lucidream, so that then the 351 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 6: next day, when you would wake up, you could implement 352 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 6: those learning experiences and improve your waking life circumstances from 353 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 6: what you have learned and experimented within your lucidream to 354 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 6: improve your psychological well being. Now, the emerging science of 355 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 6: lucid dreaming has now generated evidence to suggest just that 356 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 6: that lucid dreaming can be used as an incredibly valuable 357 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 6: tool to enhance psychological development and is now invested into 358 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 6: various research areas like nightmare treatment, mental rehearsal, creative problem solving, 359 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 6: and so as a lucid dream practitioner myself, as a 360 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 6: researcher and a trainer, I teach people from all over 361 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 6: the world how to have and apply these lucid dreams 362 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 6: and really believe that the application of lucid dreaming is 363 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 6: an idea that is worth spreading today. Now, scientists were 364 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 6: initially quite skeptical about this phenomenon of lucid dreams. That, well, 365 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 6: this is impossible. By definition, dreams lack this reflective awareness, right, 366 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 6: that therefore there are dreams, so this can just not 367 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 6: this cannot be possible. Others said, well, perhaps the lucid 368 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 6: dream is just an ordinary dream in which we merely 369 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 6: dream about being lucid, which is something different. 370 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 8: Right. 371 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 6: Others said, well, I still say today, Actually, well, ordinary 372 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 6: ramsleep just cannot allow for lucidity. So dream must be 373 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 6: some kind of a hybrid state of consciousness in which 374 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 6: one part of the brain is awake while the other 375 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 6: part is dreaming, or some brief awakening from sleep, in 376 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 6: which our mind still lingers a bit and rendsleep, and 377 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 6: through that you could know that we are dreaming. 378 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 3: You can find the rest of that talk on YouTube. 379 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 3: Just type in tim post. If anything's possible, we can 380 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 3: use it to connect with our loved ones. I really 381 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 3: believe we can. So. Here is Robert Wagener. 382 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 9: I taught myself how the lucid dream in nineteen seventy five, 383 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 9: so about five or six years before the scientific evidence 384 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 9: came out and the technique I used. I was reading 385 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 9: a book by Carlos Costaneda, and the Shamanic teacher Don 386 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 9: Juan said he could find his hands in the dream 387 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 9: state and realize he was dreaming. But there really wasn't 388 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 9: a technique, and so I just invented my own. And 389 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 9: this is what I did each night before i'd go 390 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 9: to sleep, I just look at the palm of my 391 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 9: hands while mentally telling myself in my mind, over and over, tonight, 392 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 9: my dreams, I'll see my hands and realize I'm dreaming. Tonight, 393 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 9: my dreams. I'll see my hands and realize I'm dreaming. 394 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 9: And I would just say that over and over, because 395 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 9: what I was doing was using the side of my 396 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 9: hands as kind of a stimulus to make me realize, oh, 397 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 9: this is a dream. Anyway, I'd do it for five 398 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 9: minutes fall asleep. On the third night of doing this practice, 399 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 9: I was walking through my high school hallway and all 400 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 9: of a sudden, just like they're spring loaded, my hands 401 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 9: popped right in front of my face, and I thought, oh, crap, 402 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 9: this is my hands. This is a dream. And it 403 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 9: was so incredible. I had the most incredible, lucid dream. 404 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 9: And then after that, when I might be climbing a ladder, 405 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 9: i'd see my hands and realize oh, this is a dream. 406 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 9: Or I might be opening a door and see my 407 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 9: hands and I'd realize, oh, this is a dream. But 408 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 9: I made the side of my hands the stimulus that 409 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 9: would kickstart my mind and make me think, oh, this 410 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 9: is a dream. So that's how I started out. If 411 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 9: you don't care for that, you can do something just 412 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 9: this simple. And this is what the old timers used 413 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 9: to do, back before we got to all these new techniques. 414 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 9: They would just use the power of suggestion. So before 415 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 9: they go to sleep, they just tell themselves tonight, in 416 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 9: my dreams, I'll be more critically aware. And when I 417 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 9: experienced something strange, I'll realize this must be a dream. 418 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 9: So tonight my dreams, I'll be more critically aware. When 419 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 9: I experienced something strange, I'll realize this is a dream. 420 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 9: Because that's what we lack in most of our dreams. 421 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 9: You know, we'll be driving a car, then we're on 422 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 9: a motorcycle, then we're on a bike, then we're on 423 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 9: a skateboard, and we just kind of accept whatever goes along. 424 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 9: We lose kind of all sense of critical awareness. And 425 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 9: so when you tell yourself before sleep, hey, tonight, I'm 426 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 9: going to be more critically aware, and when I experienced 427 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 9: something strange, I'm going to realize this has to be 428 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 9: a dream. So back in the day, you know, back 429 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 9: in the nineteen eighties when the lucid dreaming became pretty hot, 430 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 9: most of the people became lucidly aware just by using 431 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 9: the power of suggestion. 432 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 3: So do you want to investigate this with me? Try 433 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: lucid dreaming and invite in our loved ones. I think 434 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: it would be a fantastic experiment. Remember, if you can 435 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: dream it, you can do it. After the break, we're 436 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: going to get back into the afterlife and talk about 437 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: the Kashak Records. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 438 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 439 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 440 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: and in this segment, I'd like to talk about the 441 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: Akashak Records. In simple terms, what the Akashak Records are 442 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: is there is a place you can access with your 443 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 3: mind that has all bits of knowledge everything that's ever 444 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 3: happened and that will ever happen. Where do the Akashyak 445 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: records come from? Back in the late nineteenth century there 446 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 3: was a huge theosophical movement going on. A woman by 447 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 3: the name of Helena Lavatsky claimed that Tibetan monks said 448 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 3: that all records could be found in something called the 449 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 3: akasha or the akasa meaning in Sanskrit astral light. So 450 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: she coined the word, and throughout the past one hundred 451 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: and fifty plus years people built upon that. In fact, 452 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 3: in Biblical scriptures it is said that a record of 453 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 3: every life is kept in heaven. Our current day use 454 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: of the akashak record probably comes from mystic Edgar Casey, 455 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 3: who studied it wrote about it, claimed that there is 456 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 3: a storehouse of information in a non physical plane of 457 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: existence which maintains a record of every soul's past, present, 458 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 3: and future. And he was one of the best psychic 459 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: readers of all time. I'd like you to hear some 460 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: words now from our resident in the afterlife, Eric, who 461 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 3: works through the trance medium of Scott Milligan, when he 462 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: was asked on one of our fridays about the Akashic records. 463 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 7: When you get a reading from a medium, it's generally 464 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 7: given about a memory. When we return to spirit, do 465 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 7: we regain the full memory of everything that's happened in 466 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 7: our lifetime. For example, when I was a young boy, 467 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 7: I actually burnt my hands. It's stuck to the oven door. 468 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 7: I was told about this, but I do not remember it. 469 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 7: So when I come back to spirit, will I be 470 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 7: able to have access to that memory? And also is 471 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 7: that associated with the akash At records maintaining we're told 472 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 7: contain everything that's ever gone? Are they cashup records attached 473 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 7: to our memory in spirits? 474 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 8: Well, my friend, may I say this to you. Your 475 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 8: world has named some wonderful things that may have been misinterpretated. 476 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 8: You speak of the Acashic records. We speak of the 477 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 8: wholes of learning. Where memory is of light, and therefore 478 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 8: if you wish to step into the light, you will 479 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 8: exhort the memory not only of past events, but attain 480 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 8: knowledge that may further the development of who you are now. 481 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 8: When one speaks of trauma or traumatic memory, for instance, 482 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 8: that you speak of that your hand was severely injured, 483 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 8: and therefore it is a traumatic memory that your mind 484 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 8: has then exhorbed and is hidden from you as it 485 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 8: serves no purpose. Bring it back to the consciousness of 486 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 8: who you are when you come to our side of life. Yes, 487 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 8: you do have clarity, and others of my world may 488 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 8: remind you of happy memories like one does in your world. 489 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 8: When you meet someone who you haven't seen for many days, 490 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 8: you may reminisce of times where you gaggled like goosseits 491 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 8: and felt the pain of laughter. We must also consider 492 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 8: those who have certain elements that may confuse the mind 493 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 8: and injure the brain. And therefore, my friend, that when 494 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 8: one has these sad conditions, when they come to our 495 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 8: side of life, the fog lives and they start to 496 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 8: see things more clearly, even though they have walked between 497 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 8: our worlds for many days prior to their transition to 498 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 8: our side of life. The mental block that people have 499 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 8: within your world can come from the physical brain and 500 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 8: may not be in harmony with the mind. And therefore, 501 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 8: my friend, when the brain dies and die, it will 502 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 8: the memories and the mind will carry on. But your 503 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 8: soul that is transforming will say this has no meaning 504 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 8: for me now, and therefore it will be shared within 505 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 8: the wholes of learning, so others can be educated who 506 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 8: may not have walked your path or walked within the 507 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 8: time of your path. For instance, my dear boy, when 508 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 8: you come to our side of life, and we will 509 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 8: have a conversation. You can see the memory of who 510 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 8: I am and what has led me to this point. 511 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 8: You may see the areas of my life that I 512 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 8: have forgotten myself, sides of my nature which I have 513 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 8: to say only was pleasing when I breathed your world. 514 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 8: That doesn't please me no more so, my friend, It 515 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 8: is down to the individual that I ask you, what 516 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 8: would be the purpose for you to remember a traumatic 517 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 8: experience that I, thank God how usually got to be, 518 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 8: but you have forgotten. So, my dear boy, once again, 519 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 8: many things have been said that can describe one thing. 520 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 8: The wholes of learning is like the library of your world, 521 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 8: but it's not of dusty and tattered paper. It is 522 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 8: of column of light. Light speaks to all, no matter 523 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 8: what language you know. I myself had a fascinating conversation 524 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 8: with gentlemen than known as how to cutter. But only 525 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 8: through the memory of the wholes of learning. To see 526 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 8: the memory of one discovering something that was last or 527 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 8: was found at the most pathect time, there are great 528 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 8: conversations for all of you. You will survive this. To 529 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 8: see those conversations through is that please? In fighting my 530 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 8: dear boy, I. 531 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 7: Just expand on one part. So do I presume my 532 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 7: memories as they happen instantly go into the hall of learning, 533 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 7: So as it happens here on earth, you have a say, 534 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 7: a recording of it in spirit. As it happens, it's recorded, 535 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 7: Or do I just bring them back with me? 536 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 8: Not necessarily, my boy. But remember there is your family 537 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 8: that have seen certain events of yours and now in 538 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 8: our world, and therefore they have shared their experiences if 539 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 8: they wish. So we are already understanding and getting to 540 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 8: know you prior to anyone's arrival. But if the memory 541 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 8: was known by many minds, other minds may wish to 542 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 8: share it before you arrive. If there is a time 543 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 8: of traumatic, then we are called to serve and support 544 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 8: where we can. And therefore we see the said event 545 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 8: and we may share it with elders of my world 546 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 8: so that we can understand further certain decisions that individuals 547 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 8: have made. You have not got someone who sits on 548 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 8: the cricket chair with parchment paper writing the story of 549 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 8: your life. But my friend, your soul is attaining. And therefore, 550 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 8: when you come to our side of life, when you 551 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 8: come through the great experience of death. We will know 552 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 8: who you are, and as one becomes more comfortable to 553 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 8: the vibration you have entered, then the first to understand 554 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 8: what has occurred begins. And part of that, my friend, 555 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 8: is that we will take you to the place called 556 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 8: the wholes of learning and introduce it to you like 557 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 8: when you were a child, you were introduced to the library. 558 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 8: This is where your knowledge will come from. This is 559 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 8: what was whispered to you many years ago. There will 560 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 8: be people of our world that will assist you through 561 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,959 Speaker 8: a process. But to understand this that your mentor who 562 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 8: walks with you knows who you are, has already started 563 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 8: to allow others to get to understand you. So, my friend, 564 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 8: I say this not necessarily there is a copy of 565 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 8: who you are, but people whisper in our world and 566 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 8: it helps for all people who hear these whispers to 567 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 8: fall even more deeply in love with you. Is that 568 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 8: more pleasing for you? 569 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 9: Yes? 570 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 7: Thank you as always absolutely fascinating. I really are you 571 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 7: to give me the information? 572 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 8: Well, my dear boy, I'm only reminding you what you 573 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 8: already know. That yourself is gaining knowledge that will aid others. 574 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 8: If I can say this to you, and let me 575 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 8: extend upon this. If you, yourself, or anyone who accepts 576 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 8: these words has a curiosity or a fascination with history. 577 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 8: For instance, the great boat that sank people in our 578 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 8: world may have memories, and you may wish to accept 579 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 8: those memories so that you can understand certain mysteries today 580 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 8: which will be understood tomorrow. But the information that may 581 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 8: be gained by one who fell on that event, it 582 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 8: is forgotten by them, but stored in the light which 583 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 8: you can step into and understand certain events that led 584 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 8: up to the great ship that now lives at the 585 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 8: core of the ocean. People may wish to know who 586 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 8: I was, and I would say, it is a terribly 587 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 8: laborious story. But if it is curious to you, you 588 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 8: may know it. But I say, don't judge of the 589 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 8: shadow of who I was, but judge for a person 590 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 8: I am now. But remember the messenger is not important. 591 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 8: The message is of importance. If that's pleasing for you, 592 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 8: my dear boy, let us move along. 593 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 3: Thank you interesting words. When we come back from the break, 594 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 3: I want you to hear another perspective of these Akashek 595 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 3: records or a library through John J. Davis, who had 596 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 3: had a near death experience when he was clinically dead 597 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 3: for seven minutes. So let's go to the break and 598 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 3: we'll hear that story. You're listening to Shades of the 599 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal 600 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 3: podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 601 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 3: Sanders Champlain. So we heard about the Halls of Learning 602 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 3: from the other side, and I thought, now it might 603 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 3: be nice to hear about these halls of learning from 604 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 3: someone who has had a near death experience. I interviewed 605 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 3: John J. Davis back way back, actually on episode eleven. 606 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 3: You can hear the entire story there. He was dead 607 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 3: for seven minutes and he has one of the most 608 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 3: descriptive near death experiences that I've ever heard. I won't 609 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 3: play the whole thing now, just about him sharing about 610 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 3: the library as he calls it, and where to learn. 611 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 3: But he had a guide that took him to many 612 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 3: many places. John doesn't have a book. He's not out 613 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 3: for fame and fortune. He's just a guy with a story. 614 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 3: So here is John J. Davis. 615 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: This was the biggest building that I saw so far. 616 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,720 Speaker 1: It was huge, long, rectangle, gigantic building, and it only 617 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: had columns in the front, no columns on the side, 618 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: just columns in the front, and it looked like what 619 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: we would call the Supreme Court building. Columns of the 620 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: front and all these steps leading up to the entrance. 621 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: So we walked in and it was a library, just 622 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: an extraordinarily large, humongous library that had bookshelves maybe twenty 623 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: feet high, full of different books. So anything you wanted 624 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: to learn, whether it was about science or music or 625 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: art or literature, everything was in this library. And that's 626 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: when I started to realize that all of us were 627 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: hardwired from God to want to learn. We always want 628 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: to learn new things, and we love learning things here 629 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: on earth, but we also love learning things on the 630 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: other side, so that whole process of learning and developing 631 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 1: and growing goes on for eternity, So it makes sense 632 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: that there would be an unlimited amount of knowledge out 633 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: there that you could spend eternity learning. So that was 634 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: one of the things about the other side that they 635 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: told me, that we learn continually and so much to learn, 636 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: that people just love to learn, and that's what this 637 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 1: building was. There were people everywhere, People were sitting at 638 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: tables studying, Some people were talking, some people were looking 639 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: at books for looking in the shelves for different books. 640 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: And off to the left, my guy took me to 641 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: on the left hand side of the building of this 642 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: library there were rooms. And they were rooms like when 643 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: we go to a library here and you can reserve 644 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: a room like a study room. That's kind of what 645 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: these looked like. They were about the size of an 646 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: average master bedroom. So he took me over to one 647 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: of them, and there was a woman inside. She had 648 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 1: her back to me. She had jet black hair that 649 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: went down to her waist, and she was wearing a 650 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: kind of a purplish maroon type of a gown. And 651 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: she was watching what we would call now was a 652 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: flat screen TV, a big one, maybe fifty or sixty 653 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: inches of a flat screen TV. And she was watching 654 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: a point or she was watching a period of history 655 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: on Earth that happened two hundred years ago. And she 656 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: was watching a battle that had taken place between the 657 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: Native American planes tribes and the US cavalry. And she 658 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: was watching a battle that had really taking place. And 659 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: I remember thinking to myself, how is it possible that 660 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: she could be watching a battle that happened two hundred 661 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: years ago as it really happened. We didn't have VIDI 662 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: recorders back then. I don't think we even really had 663 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 1: much of a camera back then. And my guide said 664 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: everything gets recorded, and that blew my mind. I still 665 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: to this day don't understand how everything can be recorded, 666 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: but it is. So it's just got to be a 667 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: god thing that I don't end at this level of 668 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: my development. I have no idea how to explain how 669 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: that's possible, but it is. And she was watching this, 670 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: and that's when I started to realize also that anything 671 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: that you want to learn about you can go to 672 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 1: these rooms in this library and watch it. One of 673 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: the things I want to do when I get back 674 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: is I am a history buff. I love history, and 675 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: one thing I want to do is go back to 676 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: one of those rose rooms in the library, and I 677 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: want to watch what happened on D Day in June 678 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: of nineteen forty four during World War Two, just because 679 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: I love history and I can't wait to get back 680 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: to be able to do that and to learn so 681 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: much more and to continue to keep that whole, that 682 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: whole interest of learning growing. So I thought that was fantastic. 683 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: The next place he took me to was a castle, 684 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: and it looked just like a castle that you would 685 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: have in medieval England. And what he told me was 686 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: that everything that is on Earth now is on the 687 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: other side first. And I didn't understand what that meant 688 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: at the time, but every kind of a building that's 689 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: here on Earth had come from the other side. It 690 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: was kind of infused into the architects and the builders. 691 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: So this was the castle that existed on Earth. And 692 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: the reason being is if you wanted to learn about 693 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: that particular era of Earth's history during medieval Europe, you 694 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: could go to this place and see what the buildings 695 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: actually looked like. Not only could you just read about 696 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: it or see it on video, you could actually go 697 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: and see tangibly what they were like. And this building 698 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: was huge, made out of stone, just beautiful building. So 699 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: we walked in and the first thing I noticed was 700 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: a red carpet that was on the floor of the 701 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: whole castle all the way through it. And on the 702 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: left and to my right were these huge tall walls, 703 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: and on the walls were life sized paintings of kings 704 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: and queens, princesses and princes and dukes and everyone who 705 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: had lived in that castle during that time period of 706 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: Earth's history. So what you could do you could walk 707 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: into the castle. You could look over these paintings and see, oh, 708 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 1: that's what King George looked like. They were accurate paintings 709 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: of what they looked like and what they wore. In 710 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: front of each painting was a podium, and on the 711 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: podium was a book. And what that book was it 712 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,240 Speaker 1: was about that person's lifetime during that period in Earth's history. 713 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: So if you wanted to learn about them, you could 714 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: go to this castle, walk in, you could see what 715 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: they look like, and you could read about them on 716 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: these books. Well, then something else happened that I still 717 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: regret to this day, all these years later. You know 718 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: how castles had those round staircases. And as I looked 719 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: to my right, there was a woman who was walking 720 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: down the staircase and she had strawberry blonde hair, and 721 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: she was wearing kind of a pinkish kind of a gown. 722 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: And she walked up to me and she said, is 723 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: there anything I can help you find? You know what 724 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,359 Speaker 1: I said to her the stupidest thing I could ever 725 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: have said. I said, oh, no, thanks, I'm just looking. 726 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 1: How could I be so dumb to say that when 727 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: I could have asked this girl anything, you know, who 728 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: are you, where am I? What's going on? Well, I 729 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: didn't even think about that. So my guide explained to 730 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,720 Speaker 1: me what she loves to do on the other side 731 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,879 Speaker 1: is what we would call being a historian, someone who 732 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: loves that period of Earth's history. So again the whole 733 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: idea of wanting to learn, you could come to a 734 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: place like this and you could talk to this girl 735 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: who is an expert in that particular era of Earth's history, 736 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 1: And I just thought that was fantastic. I love knowing 737 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 1: that not only can you learn, but you can go 738 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: talk to someone who's like a professor about that era 739 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: of Earth's history. He had one thing after this or 740 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 1: after that, and then my story ends. But my guide 741 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: took me to a field and it was the most 742 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: beautiful wild flower field I've ever seen, rolling hills. The 743 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,720 Speaker 1: sun was out, it was a perfect day, slight breeze, 744 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: and then my guide left and in front of me 745 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 1: a gentleman a man showed up, and my very first 746 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 1: impression was that it was Jesus. He didn't tell me 747 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 1: who he was. I just knew it was him, and 748 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: I could see. He was wearing a white robe, and 749 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: I could see his hands, I could see his legs 750 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: in his feet, and he had golden colored sandals on 751 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: that wrapped up his calves, and he was wearing a 752 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: kind of like a golden sash around his waist. And 753 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: I didn't have any time to think, anytime to say anything. 754 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,280 Speaker 1: But he spoke to me, and he said, you must 755 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: tell them there is no death. And I couldn't see him. 756 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: He was different than everybody else. 757 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 8: I saw. 758 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: Everybody else looks like just you and I look, but 759 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 1: he was so bright coming out of his face that 760 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't see his features. There was so much light. 761 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: So when he said that you must tell them there 762 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: is no death, immediately I was back in my body 763 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: in the operating room, and I knew that he had 764 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: given me this assignment. That what they showed me on 765 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: my near death experience wasn't for me. It's for everybody 766 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 1: else who would listen to me. And my job was 767 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,360 Speaker 1: to do whatever I could to share my story and 768 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: to help others understand that there really is no death. 769 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: No one really dies. We just lose them temporarily to 770 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: the other side, but they're in another place and The 771 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: message that they want me to share is one of hope, 772 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,800 Speaker 1: to never give up. Hope your loved ones are always 773 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 1: there with you, and when you finish your lifetime, you'll 774 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: be reunited with them. So give your life everything you've got, 775 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: make it count, do your best, never give up, and 776 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 1: always be hopeful. 777 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 3: I couldn't think of any better words to leave you 778 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 3: with on this episode today than those words from John. 779 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 3: I want to remind you our home base is we 780 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 3: Don't Die dot com, where if you want to get 781 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 3: involved in the conversation, you can join our Facebook group. 782 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 3: You'll see the tab right at the top of the page. 783 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 3: It's not very personal that I just keep talking to 784 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,880 Speaker 3: you and you can't talk back, but Facebook is a 785 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 3: good way to get a hold of me. Also, you 786 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 3: can join one of our free Sunday gatherings. We are 787 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 3: now going into our fourth year, which is crazy a 788 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,839 Speaker 3: medium demonstration included in everyone, and yes it's free. One 789 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,240 Speaker 3: of my favorite express sessions these days is there's more 790 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 3: to life than meets the eye, and there's more to 791 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 3: you than you know. I'm Sandra Champlain and I sincerely 792 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 3: want to thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife. 793 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 3: On the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 794 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 795 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 2: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 796 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 2: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 797 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 2: to iHeartRadio dot com