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Speaker 1: Hey guys, how you doing. Welcome back to the Official

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Speaker 1: Yellowstone Podcast. I hope you had an awesome Thanksgiving. I

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Speaker 1: hope you got to spend it with family. I hope

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Speaker 1: it wasn't quite as contentious as dinner around the Dutton

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Speaker 1: dinner table. I hope it was a little more peaceful,

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Speaker 1: less stuff was thrown. I am so glad that you

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Speaker 1: are able to join us again season five of Yellowstone.

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Speaker 1: It's getting crazy already, it's getting nuts, it's getting explosive,

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Speaker 1: and we have an awesome show for you today. So

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Speaker 1: stay right there and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Jen.

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Speaker 1: How was your Thanksgiving? Where'd you spend it?

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Speaker 2: I spent my Thanksgiving in Texas. We were out here

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Speaker 2: for reasons, you know, maybe show related, maybe not, and

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Speaker 2: I ended up staying out here. I have acquired a camper, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: I am very excited about the camper. So I was

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Speaker 2: here getting the campers sort of fixed up, and I

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Speaker 2: hung out with my buddy Lindyed, who needed an extra hand.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I did. What about you, Jeff, I

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Speaker 2: feel like you had an eventful one.

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Speaker 1: I had an eventful one, but I just want to

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Speaker 1: I want to dig in real quick. Here, so tell

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Speaker 1: us about your buddy Lindy, because Lindy is a bit

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Speaker 1: of a legend.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Jeff, thank you so much for starting what

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Speaker 2: I planned to start, which is basically a promo to

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Speaker 2: get her on the show. So Lindy, Lindy Birch is

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Speaker 2: Anybody who knows the cutting horse world knows Lindy Birch.

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Speaker 2: She's one of the best cutting horse trainers of all time.

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Speaker 2: I cannot give the list of the things that she

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Speaker 1: She's amazing. She's really a walking, living, breathing legend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's still competing, is that right.

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Speaker 2: She's still competing and at an incredibly high level. She

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Speaker 2: the most inspiring, inspiring people I've ever met. And I

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Speaker 2: can't I can't wait for her to listen to this

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Speaker 2: episode when it airs, so Spot you can't cut any

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Speaker 2: of this.

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Speaker 1: Out She's got. She's also an incredible contradiction because she's

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Speaker 1: got the sort of rough, rough and tough edges of

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Speaker 1: and sort of elegance of some of them. More verbally

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 4: She refinement is the word.

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Speaker 2: I mean. She's incredibly she she's a voracious reader, and

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Speaker 2: her taste in wine is so expensive that I will

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Speaker 2: never be able to purchase her wine as a gift.

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Speaker 2: I thought thirty dollars was very expensive for a bottle

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to impress the people at this party.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to show up with a thirty dollars bottle

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't give thirty dollars bottles of wine away.

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Speaker 2: I give like twelve dollars bottles of wine away myself.

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Speaker 4: The thirty dollars bottles of wine.

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Speaker 1: That's for mama's superstash.

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Speaker 2: And then drink the whole thing over the course of

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Speaker 2: an evening and start talking to my television. She yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Listen. Also, one thing I just want to I want

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Speaker 1: to check out real quick that you buzzed past when

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Speaker 1: I asked you how your Thanksgiving was. Is you've got

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Speaker 2: It, okay, So how this all came about is we

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Speaker 2: were shooting Yellowstone and you weren't there. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: storm and for people who don't know, when there's lightning,

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Speaker 4: So we were on hold basically.

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Speaker 2: And because we're shooting out on this ranch, you're not

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Speaker 4: It is absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 1: This is incredible, this nomad lifestyle, because this is it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was just going to say, like Jeff,

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Speaker 4: Do you ever experience that, Jeff, I think.

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Speaker 1: That means that you're like an actual sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: miss our crumbling house in Brooklyn. Yeah. So personally I

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Speaker 2: I definitely it was definitely a moment where I was

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Speaker 2: watching the Chloe'szow movie Nomad, which is amazing and for

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Speaker 2: there's a great book that it Yeah, Medland Yeah, sorry sorry,

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Speaker 1: H Francis McDorman. It's one of the greats.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, Francis, I feel like after the Helen Mirra

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Speaker 1: Because Francis McDorman, you know, Matthew McConaughey, Francis McDorman, the Rock.

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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. That's a match we've all

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff, where do you think we should start?

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Speaker 1: Well, let's start where the episode starts, which is Beth,

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Speaker 1: Beth facing the consequences of her impetuous decisions in episode three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing watching Beth. You know, you find out

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Speaker 2: But you know that that moment later in the episode

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Speaker 2: We see this other side of Beth and it changes

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Speaker 4: Right, all of that happened. It was a huge epic.

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Speaker 1: flank for the first time six year olds. People. This

437
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: is a sort of tradition. It's a part of this

438
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: way of life that people have been doing for more

439
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: than one hundred years. You know, this is a particularly

440
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, the science has changed and improved in some ways.

441
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: They're being inoculated with, you know, incredibly advanced veterinary science

442
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: to protect them against disease and keep these cows healthy.

443
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: A lot of what you're doing this for is to

444
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: keep these cows healthy as they age and get older.

445
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: And it's also really it's you know, it's the definition

446
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: of free range cattle. They live most of their lives

447
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: just out in these massive pastures, but every now and then, yeah,

448
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: every now and then you got to go grab them

449
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: and uh and give them some medicine. Yeah, And people

450
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: have been doing that for like one hundred and fifty

451
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Speaker 1: eight years or longer.

452
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Speaker 2: And for the people who bucked at it when they like,

453
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 2: when I talk to them about, you know, what we

454
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: were doing, and you know, I was like, would you

455
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: rather the cows live indoors in small, little filthy you

456
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: know pens that they can't move around in like this

457
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 2: is this is it's momentary discomfort for sort of a

458
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: really a healthier, better way of life.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really it's very it's funny, it's a

460
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: it's both extremely advanced veterinary technology and it at the

461
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: end of the day boils down to grabbing a two

462
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pound calf and trying to wrestle it

463
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: onto the ground, which is boy, let me tell you,

464
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: if all goes well, it's a well oiled machine of those.

465
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: If one of those little guys gets back up on

466
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: his feet at the wrong time, it gets MESSI real fast.

467
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: So this episode, yeah, a lot of cowboy shit, a

468
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: lot of pretty incredible cowboy shit, which is very, very

469
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: exciting to see. Also the reintroduction of our dear friend

470
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: Piper Perabou as Summer and I actually had the opportunity

471
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: to chop it up with Piper a little bit before

472
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: we get into all of that. We're going to step

473
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: aside really fast, so don't go away. We feel so

474
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: so so lucky to have with us, to have with

475
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: us in the house today. You know her as Summer

476
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: Higgins on Yellowstone as long as many other characters through

477
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: a long, storied, fascinating career that I can't wait to

478
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: dig into. Thank you so, so so much for being here.

479
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: We're here with Piper Paraboll. How you doing, Hi, Jack good?

480
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: How are you great? I feel so honored. Thank you

481
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

482
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: That's so nice of you to say, it's so nice

483
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: to be here.

484
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: So episode season five, episode four, we get the triumphant

485
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: return of Summer. It's been a year, you know, a

486
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: year has passed since the last time we saw Summer.

487
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: She's spent a year in jail.

488
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: Because of Beth Dutton, because because of who.

489
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, Piper was. Summer was a sort of

490
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of collateral damage in an elaborate scheme

491
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: of Beth's in season four and really suffered the consequences

492
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: of it. And it's it's a little ironic because Beth

493
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: starts this episode out in jail. Beth starts in season five,

494
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: episode four, out in jail. She does like one night

495
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: and she throws in it it's bullshit, Summer did a year.

496
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 3: I know. Summer's harder than she looks, you know what

497
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: I mean. She may not have red hair, but she

498
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: really is.

499
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: She's remarkably resilient, and it's a fascinating character. And you'll

500
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: please forgive me because this is a sort of pet

501
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: fascination of mine. Is the sort of the ways in

502
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: which the narrative of the show and the story of

503
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: the show line up with and don't line up with reality,

504
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: the sort of fact of making the show who we

505
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: are as people and where that does and doesn't intersect

506
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: with these characters. So Summer, you know, comes into Yellowstone

507
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: like a tornado in season four. She's this this force

508
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: of nature that we're introduced to in season four. And

509
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: in practical terms, what that means is that you, Piper,

510
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: are coming into this show. You're coming into this world

511
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: that has been well established. There's a sort of whole

512
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's like showing up at a new school, you.

513
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: Know, exactly as like a junior in high school, not

514
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: like as a freshman. You know, everybody knows each other,

515
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: they know each other's like fat story secrets. There's a

516
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: lot of like cafeteria talk that's already happened, and Summer

517
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: knows nothing. Like Summer decides to fuck with the Duttons

518
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: on day one, which, like you wouldn't do if you

519
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: went to this high school. You know, she picked the

520
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: wrong family exactly.

521
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: All the cool kids are sitting together at lunch and

522
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: Summer shows up. And what I think is amazing is

523
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: and a very distinct challenge is not only does Summer

524
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: show up in season four of this behemoth show, she

525
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: also shows up in a place of power, with a

526
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: lot of with a tremendously secure sense of self and

527
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: a sort of confidence and assertive energy. She doesn't limp

528
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: into her first day at school exactly like you just said.

529
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: She comes in picking fights. She comes in with a

530
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: really sort of strong moral compass and a belief system

531
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: that she that is, you know, impervious to you know,

532
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: these huge, huge forces that are attacking hers. And that

533
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: is also the case for you, obviously, for you, Piper,

534
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: like you joined the fourth season of this show as

535
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: a sort of newcomer to the show, but not but

536
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: as a sort of veteran and expert actor, as like

537
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: an actor with an incredible, distinct, unique, you know, impressive

538
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: career of your own prior to joining the show. So

539
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: will you just talk a little bit about your career

540
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: prior to Yellowstone For folks who are meeting you now

541
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: for the first time, Will you just give us a

542
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: little bit of your your background?

543
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Sure? Sure.

544
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 3: I'm an actor. I'm originally from Dallas. I grew up

545
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: in New Jersey, and then I went to college for

546
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: acting in Ohio, Appalachian, Ohio, and then and now I've

547
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: been working for like twenty twenty five years. I did

548
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: a bunch of movies. Like when I was young, I

549
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: did this movie called kyote Ugly about dancing on a bar.

550
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: Or if you're not as old as me, maybe you

551
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: saw me in a movie called Cheaper by the Dozen

552
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: where I'm like one of a family of twelve and

553
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: Steve Martin's my dad, so cool. And I did a

554
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: show for five years called Covert Affairs where I played

555
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 3: a spy and we traveled all over the world. We

556
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: actually filmed in thirty five countries. So I had done

557
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff. But I had and I had

558
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: actually worked and I actually, you know, did a action

559
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: movie with Cole Hauser. So I knew Cole Hauser from

560
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: the old days and what a badass he is. And

561
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: so actually, in some ways he and Kelly are two

562
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: of the most he and he and Kelly are two

563
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: I know, I knew from stories how kind of what

564
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: an elegant gentleman Kevin Costner was. So although I'm intimidated

565
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: by his talent, I wasn't like physically afraid. Whereas if

566
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: you've never met Kell, you or cool, maybe you're like

567
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: a little bit like e. But I knew, like I'd

568
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: worked with Cole before, so I kind of knew what

569
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: I was getting into. So I just had Kelly to

570
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: contend with. And I love Cole Hauser man, Like we

571
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: work together on this action movie called The Cave where

572
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: we're cave explorers of the cave exploring to you, and

573
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: like in Romania, we had a real ball. I mean,

574
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: he's a real you know, he's a real Tornado. And

575
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: so it was fun to be around Cole again and

576
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: fun to have like a good buddy on the show

577
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: when I started out.

578
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's crucial when you're the new kid at school,

579
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: it's amazing if somebody else transferred there first, you know

580
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: you've had Yeah, yeah, you've got your friend at the

581
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: school already.

582
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good friend to have.

583
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: What it also sounds like, so it sounds like you

584
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: have an incredible an incredibly varied sort of background. So

585
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: you said you were born in Dallas, You're born in Texas,

586
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: you grow up and go to school in New Jersey

587
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: and then to college in Ohio. So sort of from

588
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: the beginning you've been traveling and experiencing all these different

589
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: slices of life around the country.

590
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's also what acting is too.

591
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: They don't really prepare you for that when you're in school,

592
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: but it's really about you have to learn how to

593
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: live on the road. I mean, you know that, Like

594
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: I've lived out in my suitcase for the last ten

595
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: months of this year, so it's like you really have

596
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: to be, you know, able to take care of yourself

597
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: and like, you know, bring along your books and your

598
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: granola bars and you're tequila and I get going.

599
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, just the essentials, granola bars and tequila. You said, wow,

600
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: Covert Affairs, you guys filmed in thirty five countries.

601
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. That actually is where I met my husband, Stephen Kay,

602
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: who is one of the executive producers and directors of Yellowstone.

603
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: He was hired as the producing director on COVID Affairs

604
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: and on the first season we had only shot all

605
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: the like foreign shoots on Green screen, which kind of

606
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: looks like shit. And Steve was like, let's get it

607
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: this down to like an indie film and go to

608
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: Hong Kong and go to Istanbul and go to Buenos

609
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: Aires and Paris and Berlin and Stockholm. Like it was fun,

610
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: really fun and fun to do it together.

611
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a beautiful thing. That's amazing. So it was

612
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: a sort of family that that's a really especially if

613
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: you're going to travel, Like you said, it's better to travel,

614
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: it's better to live a nomad lifestyle with somebody else,

615
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: with somebody else the center of gravity and with you. Yeah,

616
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: and what it mean. So I guess a theme that

617
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: I've returned to over and over again in this podcast

618
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: and just in my life for the past five years

619
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: of working on this show is that for me, working

620
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: on Yellowstone has been, more than anything else, such a

621
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: huge sort of learning experience. It's been stepping into this

622
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: life that I never would have seen otherwise. I had

623
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: never set foot in Montana, I had never set foot

624
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: in Texas. Yeah, And so we are entering these worlds

625
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: in the same way that perhaps Summer is on the show.

626
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: So she comes there with a very keen sense of

627
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: self already. But the thing that I really find fascinating

628
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: about the character that makes her a lot more than

629
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: just a sort of archetype or a stereotype is her

630
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: willingness to listen to and engage with the ideas that

631
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: she's presented with at the Dutton Ranch.

632
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what I think. John Dutton's commitment

633
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: to his ideals and his willingness to throw down for

634
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: what he believes in is kind of what they initially

635
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: connect on. And I think that's really cool. You know,

636
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: when I first met Taylor Sheridan, he and I don't

637
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: have all the same beliefs, but you know, we had

638
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: a beer together and talked about movies and stories and

639
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: the world and what we think is working and what

640
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: we think isn't. And I can really respect a guy

641
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 3: who's willing to work, not just fight for what he wants,

642
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: but work hard for what he wants. So there's a

643
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: lot of like talking and listening that has to happen

644
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: that's not always the train station, you know what I mean.

645
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: And so I think that's kind of what John and

646
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: Summer have in common too.

647
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a really smart way to put it,

648
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: and a fascinating lens through which to examine that relationship

649
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: and the way it mirrors the real life process of

650
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: working on the show, because the sort of seeming incompatibility

651
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: of people like Summer and John Dutton, which is played

652
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: for humor on the show, but it's also sort of

653
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: at the heart of the conflict there, you know, and

654
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: we see how it drives Beth absolutely fucking crazy. And yeah,

655
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: and part of that might be that they're very they

656
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: have a very similar commitment and passion applied to two

657
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: completely different sort of ideological like frameworks.

658
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: Totally, and I think that Ben. I think Beth and Summer,

659
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: if they could listen to each other, would get along

660
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: a lot better, you know what I mean. It's just

661
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: that John and Summer listen to each other, and Beth

662
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: just pulls the kitchen knife on somebody.

663
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Beth's not quite ready to have that conversation yet

664
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: that feels like it's a testament to John's maturity. John

665
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: doesn't John doesn't get defensive, you know, he doesn't really

666
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: have anything to prove. He seems very secure in his

667
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: sense of self, whereas Beth is.

668
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: You know, Beth pulls a kitchen knife before she knows

669
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: who you are.

670
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

671
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: In most cases, you know, in most cases, Beth pulls

672
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: a kitchen knife, which is absolutely you know, it's what

673
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: we love about her too.

674
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: One of the things I love about her.

675
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think a fascinating sort of you know,

676
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: mirror here is in order to make Yellowstone, a bunch

677
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: of us who come from all over the place. You know,

678
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: I grew up in Iowa and now I live in

679
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: New York City. You were born in Texas, grew up

680
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, went to school in Ohio, and now

681
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: you find yourself in Montana. A bunch of us from

682
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: all over the place, from a lot of different backgrounds,

683
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: show up in Montana, tasked with the tremendous responsibility of

684
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, telling this story. And the common ground we

685
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: often find is a shared passion, a shared commitment to craft,

686
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: a shared sort of appreciation and respect and willingness to listen.

687
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: And like, film sets are such a funny environment. There's

688
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: so many people from different backgrounds, with different skills, different

689
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: personality types, like the kind of personal.

690
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really collaborative art film. It's not like when

691
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: you're a pager and you can just stand there and

692
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: you can begin when you want and when you want, Like,

693
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: it's very collaborative making a TV show. But I think

694
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: one of the things that's so fortunate for us is

695
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: that we make it in Montana, and when I'd never

696
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 3: been to Montana until this show, and when you see

697
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a I fly fish. So when I

698
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 3: finally saw the bitter Root River for the first time,

699
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: I can really understand what people are defending and standing

700
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: up for, you know what I mean, those rivers and

701
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: that that country, that part of our country is really

702
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: rare and beautiful, and so of course people would stand

703
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 3: strong for something like that, whether you're Native and you're

704
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: talking about your tribal lands, or whether you're a rancher

705
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: and you're talking about your ranch. I can really understand

706
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: where the conflict comes from, because who wouldn't defend something

707
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: as kind of awesome as Montana? Do you fly Fish?

708
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: No?

709
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: Oh, come with us, bro.

710
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: I have I think I you know, it's a lifestyle.

711
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: It's a sort of comprehensive, holistic lifestyle. You're describing having

712
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: done it since you were a kid. It's too late

713
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: for me, Piper, I missed it now.

714
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I only learned to flyfish like a

715
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: few years ago, and and I did it with Greg

716
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: the first ad, not this past season, but the one before. Gilmout. Yeah,

717
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: he had rented his house on an arm of the

718
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: bitter Root River, so he invited Steven had to go

719
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 3: over there and work out schedule for an episode. And

720
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Steve was like, we should come. It's right on the

721
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: right on the route, and so we brought our rods

722
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 3: and then when they finished their meeting, we took six

723
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: packs and walk. It was July by then, so you

724
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 3: could just put on shorts and sneakers and walk into

725
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: the river you know, you're at like thigh deep, and

726
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: tie your six pack to the tree in the river

727
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: where you're fishing, and you fish, and then when you

728
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: get thirsty, your beers already cold. Bro it's in the river.

729
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: So I mean then after that, I was like, wait,

730
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: where are we living on the river, But come fishing

731
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: with us. It's so fun.

732
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I think of all the characters on Yellowstone

733
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: who the audience would expect to be serious fly fishers,

734
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna surprise them and you're gonna delight them, because

735
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: that's amazing. That also just shows something that I admire

736
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: so much. That I aspire to is to go to

737
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: these new places and fully immerse yourself as you're describing,

738
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: fully immerse yourself wherever you are. I think that's an

739
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: act of respect, it's an act of love for a

740
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: place to have the sort of courage and vulnerability to say,

741
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking wade out into that river. That's a

742
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: beautiful It's a depth of experience. And I think something

743
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: that we're you know, a question about this lifestyle, about

744
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: this sort of nomadic lifestyle, is we get a breadth

745
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: of experience. We go to a lot of places. I've

746
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: stayed in hotels in a lot of cities. Yeah, but

747
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: what you're describing is also a depth of engagement. It's

748
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: a sort of meaningful, rich, full engagement with a place,

749
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: and that's beautiful. I just admire that so much. Thanks.

750
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: I think that when you do that kind of engagement,

751
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: like you know, when you fly fish, the fly that

752
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: you're putting on the line, you have to know what

753
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: time of year and what time of day it is

754
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 3: because the larva the like insect eggs on the surface

755
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: of the water and the bugs at different times a day.

756
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: That's how you're choosing what fly you're using, So you

757
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: have to go to a fly shop, and who you

758
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: really want to talk to is the old guys who've

759
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: lived there for a long time, who could say like

760
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: Terrest real season, you might want to switch to this

761
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: or Poople Haze is really hitting right now. But by

762
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: going to the fly shop and talking to the old

763
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: guys about fly fishing, yeah, you learn about fly fishing,

764
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: but even better, you learn about the old guys, you know,

765
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: and they're saying like, well, we you know, we get

766
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: our game processed at this place, or we get our

767
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: beer over here, or you know what I mean, Like, oh, well,

768
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: there's a fundreds are for the school fairs. It's going

769
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: to happen on the rodeo grounds. Like that's how you

770
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: kind of get into the community, is like some activity

771
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: that the place is known for, or at least that's how.

772
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: I get in. That That is truly remarkable, And I

773
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: forgive me for once again commenting that what you're describing

774
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: there is also sort of the kind of openness and

775
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: willingness to engage that Summer exhibits in her, sort of

776
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: willingness to listen to John Dutton, right, yeah.

777
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. I really want you to come

778
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: fly fishing with us next season.

779
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: I will fuck it up. You'll the sort of beautiful

780
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: trenk you're describing, I'm gonna it's all I've ever done

781
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: is ruin. People are so nice to me, they say, oh,

782
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: come along and you know, have a good time. And

783
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: all I ever do is fuck up somebody's perfectly pleasant afternoon.

784
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: So I'll spare you that.

785
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: Have you ever read that book A River runs through it?

786
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: Yes?

787
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I read it in Yeah yeah.

788
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: Any Yellowstone fan that's like between seasons that needs a

789
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 3: like a taste. I feel like that's like a good

790
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: hold you over. But once you read that book, I

791
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: don't know how you could not fly fish.

792
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna step aside real quick, so don't go away.

793
00:43:52,680 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: We'll be right back to step away from the show

794
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: for a minute. Will you just tell you is there

795
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: anything you've learned or experienced through your time in Montana

796
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: that's become important to you? Like, how has you know

797
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: we've we endeavor not to change the state in our

798
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: participation there, How has the state changed you?

799
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: There are two big ways. One is I was really

800
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: unaware of the Indigenous communities and the Native communities in

801
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: that part of the country. And Moe brins Planny, who's

802
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 3: on the show with us, he is the liaison between

803
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: Yellowstone and the Native communities in Montana, and so being

804
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: a friend of his is a fast way to sort

805
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: of learn about all that's going on and you know,

806
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 3: how we interact and with those communities. And then also

807
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: I didn't know about cutting on horseback, you know, that

808
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: was I knew how to ride Western, but I had

809
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: never even heard the word cutting. And so Jay Greens

810
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: was in the bunk house is also great you know,

811
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: horseman rider, and so he started teaching me the season

812
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: in Utah, I think that I went. I might even

813
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: even been before I started. He started teaching me how

814
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: to cut and that kind of work working horseback riding

815
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 3: I didn't really know anything about. And I think that's

816
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: really cool. So like when we were all down in

817
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: Texas for the reshoots and we were with at Taylor's place,

818
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 3: just like hearing people talk about cutting and the roper

819
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: boots and like there's just like a whole language of

820
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 3: working cowboys that doesn't always get into the full you know,

821
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: like in a show that's less accurate than Yellowstone. They

822
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: don't really get into all the like Yellowstone does get

823
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: into all that because Taylor wants it to be so authentic.

824
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 3: But I think until Yellowstone, I hadn't heard all these

825
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: words about a work how cowboys really work. It was

826
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: like guitars and like there's sleeping with like a pot

827
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: of beans, but I don't really know like what they did.

828
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I do sleep with a pot of beans every night

829
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: as part of my process.

830
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: These cowboys like all have a guitar and then they're

831
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: all like heating up a pot of beans and then

832
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: they're like by themselves, yeah, and the stars and they're

833
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: crying and they like sleep on their coat.

834
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's beautiful too. I think that's

835
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm an option what you just said? Uh yeah. And

836
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: it's funny because Taylor talks about how he Taylor. You know,

837
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: there there is a lot of minutia in the show.

838
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of these sort of details about this

839
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: world that a lot of people, myself included, we're not

840
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: familiar with prior to Yellowstone. One thing I admire about

841
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: Taylor is that he also writes it from an insider's perspective.

842
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: There's not a ton of explanation. You'll see something happening,

843
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: and he's writing it for the folks that already know

844
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: what's happening. Like Taylor is writing these jokes and these

845
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: sort of and you know, he's exploring this world, the

846
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: cutting horse world, the reining world, performance horses, cow horses, roping, wrangling, rodeo.

847
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: He is exploring that from inside of it, as opposed

848
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: to starting from the outside. You know, it's not it's

849
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily an initiation in the way he's writing it.

850
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: He's writing it as an expert, you know.

851
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he it's almost like he's writing it for his

852
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: at his level, and you're welcome to follow along if

853
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: you can keep up. Yeah, which least I prefer that

854
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: in a way as an audience well and.

855
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: As a participant. Yeah, it's a very fun thing to

856
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: be treated like an expert. He's writing it for experts,

857
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: and so you go, oh shit, I better figure it out.

858
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: And that's our you know, our characters, both your character

859
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: and mine, started on this show as outsiders, you know,

860
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: outside of I.

861
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: Remember when they taped you to the saddle.

862
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just throughout, like for the last five years,

863
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: there's been so many things I'll read the script and

864
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, man, I'm I think I'm supposed

865
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: to know what the fuck that means. There's so many

866
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: names in the script. There's somebody like pieces of like horse,

867
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, various horse, you know, periphera like put like

868
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: little bits. Yeah, that I'm supposed to understand what they mean,

869
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: and I'm still I'm still catching it up to it

870
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, So, So yeah, amazing. I mean, what an

871
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: incredible thing. I'm also amazed to hear that you're of

872
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: all the people in the cast who would the audience

873
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: might expect to have gotten into cutting and to be

874
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: sort of practicing like in this kind of you are

875
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: somebody who, even though that's not necessarily asked a view

876
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: on the show, it's so clear that you have chosen

877
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: to like dig deep into this stuff and sort of

878
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: learn as much as you can about this world. And

879
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly admirable. So, Piper, when did you

880
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: first meet Taylor Sheridan? How did you come to work

881
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: on the show? Talk us through talk us through that?

882
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: So it's sort of a little bit round about, but

883
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: my husband Stephen k who you know who, who's an

884
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: EP on the show and also directs a bunch away.

885
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 3: He's running and hold on.

886
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: Guest, this is like w WE. It's like there's a

887
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: fight going on. And oh wait a second, that's Stephen

888
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: Kay's intro music. Boom, You're coming down the ramp. It's weird, Steven.

889
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: I hope you'll join us. I hope you'll join us

890
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: sometime to talk about your experience of all this and

891
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: contradict Kuiper's experience.

892
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: It's creepy that you wouldn't have invited me, but.

893
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: The producers, the producers have tried to keep you away

894
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: from this for so long. I've been fighting to get

895
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: you on the show. The producers. I think you're a

896
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: live wire.

897
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you are a live wire. That's actually true.

898
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: My man is baking a gluten free pie right now.

899
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: If that's not you know, anarchic chaos, I don't know

900
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: what is.

901
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 5: For all the kids. This is a little something for

902
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 5: the kids. Yeah all right, brother, But I'm letting you

903
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 5: guys talk. I don't want to, you know, horn in

904
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 5: on her your time.

905
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: It's great to hear from you. Man. Well, we'll get

906
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: you in another time or now that he's gone, Piper,

907
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: Now he's gone.

908
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 3: He he He directed Taylor wait boo? Was it Sons

909
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: or a Shield? He directed Steven my husband, directed Taylor

910
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: Sheridan in Sons of Anarchy when Taylor was an actor,

911
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: and they became, oh, I've got to come up. And

912
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: so they became friends. And when Taylor started writing, actually

913
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 3: Stephen read an early draft of Hell or High Water

914
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: when it was called Comancheria, and they started hi about writing.

915
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 3: And so then Stephen came in to direct in season two.

916
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 3: And I think the reason Taylor trusted him, it's just

917
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: my guest, but because he knew Stephen already as a director.

918
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: And uh, anyway, so that's how it starts. And then

919
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: and even though they're different, they're kind of similar learn

920
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: a way too, you know, the kind of old school

921
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: dude's old school men. And then and then I came

922
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: to visit Stephen in Utah when you guys were filming,

923
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 3: and Taylor and Nick had us over the house for dinner.

924
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: And I had just been arrested in DC for protesting

925
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: the nomination of Brett cavan On to the Supreme Court.

926
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: I went, I interrupted Chuck Grassley in the Senate Judiciary

927
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 3: hearing and protest like there was like three hundred women

928
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: that day that were all you can sit in a

929
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: Senate Judiciary hearing, you can sit for like ten minutes,

930
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: and then the next twenty people online like the twenty

931
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: people are it's not that big of a hearing room,

932
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: So twenty people are ushered out, and then twenty more

933
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: people get to sit in and listen to the hearing.

934
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: And so all these women, who mostly women who didn't

935
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: want Kavin on the Supreme Court, had organized to get online.

936
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: And so I was. I had been online like since

937
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: before pre dawn, waiting and and then you stand up

938
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: and you start saying why you oppose the nomination, and

939
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: you're arrested for civil disobedience. And I was arrested with

940
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 3: hundreds of women that day, but that had just happened.

941
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: And then I flew to Utah to have dinner with

942
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: Stephen and Nick and Taylor, and it came up at

943
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: dinner and Taylor was like, wait what And I started saying, oh,

944
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 3: I was arrested in civil disobedience and he was like

945
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 3: go through the whole thing, like who calls you to

946
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: go there? Like what's your goal? What's the security? Like

947
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: what kind of jail? How much what's the bail? Like

948
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: he wanted all of a sudden the writer was there,

949
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: you know, and he like, dinner kind of screeches to

950
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 3: a halt, and he's got eight hundred questions about when

951
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 3: you're arrested in a city in America on civil disobedience

952
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: and so and then he was like, I'm in politics

953
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: and fucking DC and you know, he gets like on

954
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: his check. But it was cool. And even though I

955
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: don't know how he feels about Kavanaugh, that didn't come up.

956
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: He was more interested in kind of the story of it,

957
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: and then about I don't know, like a month or

958
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 3: so later, he said to Stephen, I'm going to write

959
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: her a part about a woman who gets arrested for protest.

960
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: And that's where Summer came from.

961
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: Wow, so you actually got arrested as part of a

962
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: protest action, went to Utah, had dinner with Taylor. You guys.

963
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: He dug into the details of it, and then created

964
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: the role of Summer based around a sort of similar

965
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: experience a woman being arrested for a protest action. Right.

966
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: It was cool because actually that was the first time

967
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: I'd ever been arrested. First of all, disobedience and so

968
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 3: I knew all that stuff because I was so nervous

969
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 3: to get arrested, Like I wrote Steven's number on my

970
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 3: arm and sharpie in case they took everything, Like how

971
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 3: do I get you know, how do I what if

972
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: I get scared? I can't remember my husbands one of heer.

973
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: I had bail money cash in one pocket and then

974
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: bail money in case somebody else didn't have money in

975
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: the other pocket, and like the cell phone, the battery,

976
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: my number because they take almost everything, you know, and

977
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: I mighty, but I was really I'm like a girl scout,

978
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 3: you know. I was like really prepared to get arrested.

979
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 3: And so Taylor was really into that.

980
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: That's amazing. What what tremendous courage and then also what

981
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: a sort of incredible seed for this character and what

982
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: it also like incredibly sort of you know, Summer has

983
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: been I have no doubt that some people listening to

984
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: this as you know, big fans of Beth. You know,

985
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: maybe maybe.

986
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: People are not fans of Summer. I know they're not.

987
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: And like I sort of admire Tailor even more because

988
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: you know that a lot of the Yellowstone crowd is

989
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: gonna be likes this bitch. You know what I mean

990
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 3: this like coastal environmentalist blah blah blah. But also it's like,

991
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: you know, Yellowstone needs conflict. That's what makes it so

992
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: good is all the warring factions. And and because I

993
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: really care about our civil rights, our right to vote,

994
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 3: writes a bodily autonomy, writes a marriage. It's so fun

995
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: that a great American writer wrote me the part of

996
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 3: an activist, Like that's the only time it's ever done that,

997
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: you know, and come together like that fun.

998
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: That's Brad. It's incredible. And it also I think it's

999
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: incredible a thing of Tailor's which is that you know,

1000
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: he writes these characters that maybe could be easily dismissed

1001
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: under certain circumpry, or some percentage of the audience almost

1002
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: wants to easily dismiss. They want to say exactly what

1003
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: you just said, Oh, this lady from the coast this

1004
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, she's comment in here, what does she know?

1005
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: Or a character like for instance, Rainwater in season one,

1006
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: who the audience might have wanted to conveniently easily dismiss.

1007
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: And then Taylor sticks with these characters. Over time, they

1008
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: grow more and more complicated. You come to see their perspective.

1009
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: The characters themselves are listening and learning and sort of

1010
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: it really helps, I think, challenge the kind of good

1011
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: guy bad guy paradigm that is so reductive, and it

1012
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: helps to make all of these characters. I think that

1013
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: Summer's role on the show. Summer has herself, you know,

1014
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: our relationship to her has grown and changed and will

1015
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: continue to grow and change. But she also helps. She's

1016
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: changed John Dutton, She's changed Beth. Like coming into contact

1017
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: with these people with differing viewpoints, differing ideologies, differing experiences,

1018
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: coming into contact with them gives everybody an opportunity to

1019
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: grow and learn and sort of become more complicated than

1020
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: just these cardboard cutout black and white very easily dismissed

1021
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: good guys and bad guys.

1022
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I think that's so cool, and like

1023
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: that's like, you know, maybe what we could do as

1024
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: a nation.

1025
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: One hundred percent listen to each other. If John Dutton

1026
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: and Summer can listen to each other can find some

1027
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: common ground, then so can we. You know, if people

1028
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: from such a Summer can.

1029
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: Have a one night stand, maybe all the.

1030
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: Stand, that's what America needs. America needs to have a

1031
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: one big, messy one night stand.

1032
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: I'm big one night stand. Yeah, nobody else cares on

1033
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court.

1034
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: Then exactly, relax, get a little bit of attention now.

1035
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: And also, I think, you know, as as the season

1036
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: moves forward, I'm very excited for the audience to get

1037
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: to see more of summer. It feels like the episode

1038
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: we've just seen, episode four is a little sneak peak

1039
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: of what's to come.

1040
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 3: So it's just the beginning. It's just the beginning, and

1041
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 3: I can't I know, I'm not allowed to say what happens,

1042
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: but it gets so hardcore. I mean, people are going

1043
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: to go not Stuard. It's so out of control. I

1044
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 3: literally sent a picture to my mom after one day

1045
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: of shooting and I'm like, I can't tell you everything,

1046
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: but this is happening. And I was like, oh my god,

1047
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: like so so crazy. What happens?

1048
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: Mom? It gets it gets intense, Mom, just keep getting

1049
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: prepare yourself. I also, you know, cover your eyes, Mom.

1050
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: I have to warn anytime some shit happens to Jimmy.

1051
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: I have to warn my whole family really explicitly. I

1052
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: have to be like, okay, but you know, I don't

1053
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: know a bit about you. I'm always playing these characters

1054
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: who generally speaking, deserve to get the shit kicked out

1055
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: of them, and then do so. My poor grandma, it's

1056
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: like she's got My grandma has seen everything conceivably bad

1057
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: happen to me. She's watched me get stabbed, like thrown

1058
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: off cliffs, exploded, shot. Sorry, grandma, my grandma.

1059
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: My grandma was not with the funny war. But my grandma.

1060
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: I when I had an episode of television come on,

1061
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: she would invite like her older lady friends to come

1062
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: over to watch the show. And she can't remember everything,

1063
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 3: but I would call her like half an hour before

1064
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: the show comes on the air, and I'll be like, okay,

1065
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 3: so this is the bad guy. This is like the

1066
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: guy I'm gonna have an affair with, this is the criminal.

1067
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: And so she would like be like, okay, I got it.

1068
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: And then she liked to watch the show with her friends.

1069
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: When some character comes to well, I wouldn't trust him

1070
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: because she likes to know everything.

1071
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you were feeding or you were feeding

1072
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: or the inside info. That's incredibly the insider. It's so cute,

1073
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: that's so funny.

1074
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 3: It must be so hard to do this podcast and

1075
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: know all the secrets and like not slip.

1076
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: You know what's what makes it a lot easier. Never

1077
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: setting foot in Montana one time this whole season, you know,

1078
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Speaker 1: it really makes it a lot easier.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, that's crazy, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's been way easier to keep the keep

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Speaker 1: a handle on the spoilers. When Jimmy is you.

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Speaker 3: Didn't see it, you didn't see it go down.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see it go down.

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Speaker 3: Crazy shit goes down this season so great, I mean crazy.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an amazing place to leave it. I

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Speaker 1: think that's an amazing place to uh, to tease our audience.

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Speaker 1: There is some amazing shit going down. Piper. I am

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Speaker 1: so grateful for your time. We all are.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Thanks for talking with me. It

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Speaker 3: was really fun. What I'm going to make you come

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Speaker 3: fly fish with me?

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Speaker 1: I will, yeah, I'll ruin at least one perfectly pleasant afternoon.

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Speaker 3: You bring the six pack and nothing, I'll be ruined.

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Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate you spending time with us here.

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Speaker 1: It is such an honor. We love talking to you,

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Speaker 1: we love hearing from you. This whole thing is kind

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Speaker 1: of an extension of conversations that we see you having

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Speaker 1: on social media, so make sure you subscribe so you

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Speaker 1: never miss a new episode of the Official Yellowstone Podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to the Official Yellowstone Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, m