1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: They were not gonna make me look better than Ryan 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: this season, and I'm not out here to look better 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: than Ryan. But if Ryan don't look good, I look work. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: So we already starting off kind of bad. 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: Okay, stay tuned. We'll get into my conversation with Charmagne 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: Bay right after these quick ads. Welcome to Reality with 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: the King. It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: TV and one of the most sought after executive producers 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: in reality television with over ten years a production experience. 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: So look, if you haven't heard, ah, I have a 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: late night talk show coming to own. The show is 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: called The Nightcap with Carlos King, so look for all 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: of my reality lovers. It's a one stop shop for fun, 14 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: for shade, for games, conversation, spilling the tea, pouring the tea, 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: wiping the tea, laying in the tea. Honey, this talk 16 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: show is going to be many things. So if you're 17 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: enjoying my podcast, this talk show is the next level 18 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: to getting some exclusive conversations that you're not going to 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: get anywhere else. So today's guest on Reality with the 20 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: King is someone that I consider to be the face 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: of Black Ink Crewise Chicago, Charmagne Bang. Let me tell 22 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: y'all from the honey, I love me some Charmaginne Bay. 23 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: She is the star of the show, and she's so 24 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: fun she's so beautiful. She caught my attention the moment 25 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: I started watching that show, and as a reality TV producer, 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: I know a star when I see one, and I 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: was so drawn into her and everything that she had 28 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: going on, because Charmaine came across so real, so genuine, 29 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: and so authentic. Honey. That is until I started watching 30 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: season two, episode one, and this woman who was naturally funny, 31 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: I saw change in her. She became well most reality 32 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: stars become their second season, which is and over the 33 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: top caricature of themselves, and it turned me off so 34 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: much that I actually stopped watching Black In Crew Chicago. Recently, 35 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: Charmaine took to Instagram to announce that she had walked 36 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: away from the show. She said, and I quote, I 37 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: quit the TV show Black Ink Crew. I'm no longer 38 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: working with TV tattoo artists. Unfollowed any phony person I 39 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: used to deal with from the show, hired all dope 40 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: artists who represents Chicago, and my haters will say my 41 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 2: shop isn't legit. Whatever it helps you sleep at night. 42 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 2: Hating on me would not get you a bigger bag, 43 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: and it certainly will not stop my success. The worst 44 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: ones are the ones who say they love you to 45 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: your face, but they hate you deep down inside. When 46 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: I saw her announcement, I immediately reached out to Charmage. 47 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: I slided her DMS because yes, even the king of 48 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: reality TV slides and DMS child just for reality stars, 49 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: That's it. So I invited her to come on the 50 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: podcast to share her exclusive story on why she left 51 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: the show. And I'm so happy that she agreed to 52 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: do it, and we had a wonderful conversation. So let's 53 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: get right into it. Charmaygne, why did you quit Black 54 00:03:59,320 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: Ink Crew? 55 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: You know Black and Crew. Let me just start off, 56 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: was a blessing, you know, a blessing in disguise. We 57 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: started off as a tight, knick, close group of friends. 58 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: Ryan owned a tattoo shot and I'm mad. You know. 59 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I was the manager, free spirit, bubbly, so much fun. 60 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: Things were really organic in the beginning, and I could 61 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: like be myself, I could be free and it was cool. 62 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: But over time things got more produced, editing, got more 63 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: like weird, and at some point in my career over 64 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: the last seven years eleven on that show for seven years, 65 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: I started to excel. I believe above the show. You know, 66 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: I also have my own radio show for iHeartRadio, and 67 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: I do all these other things. I have a tattoo 68 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: shot myself now and at some point I believe that 69 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: I became bigger than the show. So season seven everything 70 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: was good. I always I'm an open book, so when 71 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: things are going on in my life, I make sure 72 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: the producers are there. When my mother, when I found 73 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: out she was in the hospital, she had a heart attack. 74 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: The reason why people saw my first reaction to when 75 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: I found out she died because I let a producer 76 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: in my home. When my father came dying of cancer, 77 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: the last thing he wanted to do was be on TV. 78 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: But I also know that this is a part of 79 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: my job to be open to my fans. So like, 80 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, Dad, please, you know, like, please just do 81 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: this for me. I understand I'm here to hold your hand, 82 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: but I have a job to tell my story and 83 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: this is a part of it right now because you're 84 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: living with me. So I always did everything I could 85 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: to make sure that they were included and involved season 86 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: seven A, because now we're on well they're on season 87 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: seven B right now. 88 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: And let me explain to the audience too. So when 89 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: networks title a season with a alphabet, right, you're right. 90 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: So when Charmaine is saying season seven A, it's what 91 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: she filmed and how the show is now filming season 92 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: seven B, what that means is a network will pick 93 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: up a season for the whole year, but they'll chop 94 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: it in half. So for example, when you watch Housewives 95 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: and it's like season seven that's filmed for like four months, 96 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: right right, and then they wait a whole year to 97 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: film another season. Networks nowadays are dividing get within two 98 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: seasons because you pretty much shoot all year round. 99 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we shoot all year round. And season seven A, 100 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: it just became very apparent that there was a huge 101 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: target on my back. There was a situation. Well one 102 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: one thing that I realize is they were not gonna 103 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: make me look better than Ryan this season. And I'm 104 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: not out here to look better than Ryan. But if 105 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: Ryan don't look good, I look work. So we already 106 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: starting off kind of bad. Okay. Secondly, so many things 107 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: happened there was a situation where I didn't want this 108 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: girl to work in my shop because she was sleeping 109 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: with my friend's boyfriend and her the boyfriend worked in 110 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: my shop as well. Next thing, I know, that's why 111 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: I didn't want her working there. Next thing, I know, 112 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: there is a colorism storyline. She's brown skin and at 113 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: the convention, we went to a teptook convention. At the convention, 114 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: she came to the convention yelling screaman who in island, 115 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: pointing rye rah rah. So I said, look, girl, if 116 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: you want to act all ghetto fabulous, you could go 117 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: do that elsewhere, but don't do it in front of 118 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: my boots. At the convention, they edited out, took out 119 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: her acting all crazy, put in the parts where she's 120 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: acting calm and talking normal, but kept me saying, if 121 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: you want to act all ghetto fabulous and mind you, 122 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm lif skin. This is a brown girl. Next thing, 123 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: I know, she's having a scene crying about protecting black women. 124 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm not in that scene. This is things that are 125 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: undenounced to me. I am not. I had no idea. 126 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: So I was watching it on TV with the rest 127 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: of the world. She's crying about protecting black women. And 128 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: then she goes to an interview and I know what 129 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: a networked interview bite looks like versus something that just 130 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: might come out of my mouth. Naturally, it was a 131 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: network interview bite where she's explaining what colorism is. And 132 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: that was the No matter how hard it is sometimes 133 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: the film and how hard it is to get through it, 134 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: and to think that they edit and all of that, 135 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's like, Okay, this is a part of 136 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: my job. I signed up for this. But that is 137 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: when I knew that I'm in a very dangerous situation 138 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: with Viacom, Like this is absolutely insane, you know what 139 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that was the And for me, I'm pregnant, 140 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: my father just died of cancer. I just lost my mom. 141 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: I was pregnant when I lost my mom. I'm like, 142 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: why are y'all doing this to me? We didn't have 143 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: to do this, you know, this was uncalled for. And 144 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: that's just when I felt like all money is not 145 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: good money. There was no amount of money that they 146 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: could come back with to say, hey, can we fix this, 147 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: which they tried to do. Can we fix it? And 148 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: I was like, no, we can't fix it, you know, 149 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: because this isn't going good for me. I've done seven years. 150 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm not benefiting from the show anymore. I actually lost 151 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: three thousand followers my last season. I lost three thousand followers. Why. 152 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, people were like, oh my god, 153 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: you bought a black girl's ghetto. 154 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: You know, like, oh, okay, because you felt like they 155 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: played into the storyline up beknownst to you that this 156 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: brown skinned girl felt that colorism was an issue between 157 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: the two of you, and because they edited out moments 158 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: that led up to you calling her that, you felt 159 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: that it was dangerous. There was a target on your back, 160 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: and the fans felt that light skin privilege light skinned women. 161 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: They looked down on their chocolate sisters, and you felt 162 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: that was the case, and the audience apparently thought that 163 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: was the case, and you lost followers because of it. 164 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, luckily it didn't like stick because a lot 165 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: of people was like, come on, Charmaine's not a coloriss Like, 166 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: my husband is dark skin, my grandmother, my father, my godmother, 167 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: her nickname is chocolate. I mean, I was so offended 168 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: by it, especially because at the time I was pregnant 169 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: and like I said, my hesbanitation so I could have 170 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: easily a dark skinned baby, and I might have to 171 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: explain this to my child. Like I'm getting the goosebumps 172 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: even talking about it. It just was so hurtful. I 173 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: was just distraught because I mean, come on, like I 174 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, I went to Howard, you know what I'm saying, 175 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: Like I'm with my brothers and sisters, I'm not looking. 176 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. Colorism is definitely a thing and 177 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: an issue, but I'm not looking at color when I 178 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: want to work with someone, or when I want to 179 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: be friends with someone, or when I want to love someone. 180 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: That is not who I am. And DH One went 181 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: and hired this whole team of black activist people to 182 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: talk about social issues that's going on in the black 183 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: community for TV for putting it in storyline. So they 184 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: used me and basically use two black women to talk 185 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: about social black issues. So I say, you know what, 186 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: this is dangerous and I am absolutely not doing this 187 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: any more. And for me, the reason why I was 188 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: so hurt because I was their most loyal I show 189 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: up on time, I come and get the job done, 190 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: what we're doing today, or we got to turn up. 191 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna turn up if anybody that's connected to me, 192 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: they're going to turn up too. If my tattoo shop 193 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: is there. I'm telling them, y'all were still on a 194 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: TV show, so make sure you bring your best. Like, 195 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, if you need to take a shot, y'all ahead, 196 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: do it. Loosen up. You're gonna be okay. You know, 197 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: I have producer credit this last season because I come 198 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: correct and it just wasn't what I expected. 199 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: You felt disrespected and targeted, and so that was the 200 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: straw that broke the camel's back because you felt they 201 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 2: at that point your career that you built for the 202 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: past seven years was going to be affected by this. 203 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: So was this a situation where you spoke to the 204 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 2: network about quitting? Was it a mutual decision? How did 205 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: that come about? 206 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: I am definitely reached out to my team. I couldn't 207 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: talk to the network. I would cry so hard, Like 208 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: I cried harder about this than I cried dealing with 209 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: my father and his cancer. Like it was similar to 210 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: when I found out my dad had cancer. The way 211 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: that I cried about this, I just felt like they 212 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: sat me in the back, like why me? You know 213 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm your I'm the one that does everything for you guys, 214 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: like I am the most respectful. You know, you got 215 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: cast members that are going to go off on producers, 216 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, say you ain't shit, I hate you, I 217 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: hate this, this eve yanking off they might. I ain't 218 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: doing none of that. I'm gonna be Charmaine twenty four 219 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: to seven. And I just did not understand why me 220 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: and for me. It's when I went to my team 221 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: about this. I was so distraught about it, and I 222 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: could feel the energy in my stomach and I'm pregnant. 223 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: I could feel I felt it, and I was just like, 224 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, this is toxic, this is dangerous. So I 225 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: couldn't talk to the network directly. I had to have 226 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: my team deal with them, and I tried to come 227 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: back and I tried to continue. I filmed one scene 228 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: for seven B where they shined a good light. You know, 229 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: they were really like, oh, We're so sorry, like we 230 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: didn't see a colorism issue, like, oh, you know, it 231 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: was just for Twitter conversation, you know, And I really 232 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: felt like it was important at this point at seven 233 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: B when I came, you know, back to film, I 234 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: wasn't doing it for me. I was doing it for 235 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: my tattoo shop. I have these new artists that work 236 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: at my shop. I wanted to put them on, so 237 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: that's what I was doing it for. And as I 238 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: was sitting there, I felt so uncomfortable, like I can't 239 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: I had to watch everything that I said. But then 240 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: I realized, it's not even about what you say. It 241 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: don't even matter what you say. They are going to 242 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: do what they want to do and post in editing, 243 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: They're going to do whatever they want to do. And 244 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: I just felt like, you know what for my mental health, 245 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: Like my mental health was very much, very affected. I 246 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: the way that I I how emotional I was about this, 247 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: this was you know, it was just insane, and I 248 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: had to look out for my mental health. I had 249 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: to look out for my pregnancy. I had just thought 250 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: my father, I'm still wanting my mother. So you know, 251 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't even be a mom to my one year 252 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: old at the time because I was so distraught over 253 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: this and I'm pregnant and I couldn't play with her. 254 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't you know, be happy and just be normal. 255 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: I was crying all the time. So I just was like, 256 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: you know what, this is not good for me. No 257 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: amount of money is worth what I'm going through right now. 258 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: No, no, listen, no amount of money is worth your 259 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: mental health. The beauty of social media, They're highlighted black 260 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: people dealing with mental health and not being afraid to 261 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: talk about that. When you say your mental health, do 262 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: you mean you fall into depression? Like, talk to me 263 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: about what that did for you dealing with this situation. 264 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: I was extremely depressive, mind you. I was already dealing 265 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: with so much on my back personally when it came 266 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: to the loss of my parents and stuff, So I 267 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: was already dealing with that. I felt like this was 268 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: uncalled for and speaking of social media, social media does 269 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: have a beauty to it. But when something like that 270 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: plays on TV, people are coming at you left and right, 271 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: and they gonna remind you of why all the reasons 272 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: why they do not bus with you. Okay, they bringing 273 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: up I ain't even man. They knew my history on 274 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: the show more than I knew my history. I was like, oh, 275 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: that did happen? Like you know? And and I think 276 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: a big part of why I was so upset too, 277 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: is all the things that these people are listening about me. Tarmain, 278 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: You just with everybody in the shop, like, that's not true. 279 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: I put one person in the shop. 280 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: You know who was gran No season one, it was done. 281 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: You know it was that was like the highlight of 282 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: the show back thing. 283 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: You know, it was, That's what I was watching. I 284 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: guess I don't blame. 285 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: You crazy you are, you know, I honestly I can't 286 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: even remember. I can't. 287 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: I can't remember. I wasn't mad. 288 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: But you know, people are telling me left and right 289 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: what I did. I'm a hoe and you know how 290 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm a bad business owner. Mind you, b h one 291 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: never played my multi million dollar business bemar. They never 292 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: They were not interested in playing that. They're only showing 293 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: me be a bad business owner quote unquote in the 294 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: tattoo space. So now I'm a bad business owner in general, 295 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, to these people and just all of these things, 296 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: and the way the network, the stab in the back 297 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: and what was going to forever be on TV. You know, 298 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: even the girl that did this when Big Fish, who 299 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: was a production company at the time, when they came 300 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: to me and I said, you know, these are the 301 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: people that we would like to be in your shop. 302 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: I didn't have any brown skin girls. I said, I 303 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: need a brownskin girl, you know I need, That's what 304 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: I need, That's what we want to see. So they 305 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: went and found this brownskin girl. And now if you're 306 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: talking about colorism on me, and I'm like, girl, I 307 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: gave you the opportunity. So it was just like depressing 308 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: all the way around. I felt very misunderstood to people 309 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: who don't know me, you. 310 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: Know, right, and people who don't know So you're saying, 311 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: the production company provided a cast around you to make 312 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: it appear that they worked at this shop. And this 313 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: is the reason why a lot of people always ask me, 314 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 2: is reality fake? Is it real? And I'm always like, 315 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: I can only speak on the show, so I produce 316 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: it's real and listen, your actions are real. But what 317 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: you're talking about is very interesting because you're saying that 318 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: you have this tattoo shop and the producer said, well, 319 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: we're going to cast the people to work here so 320 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: they can make good TV. Not necessarily, these people are 321 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: on your payroll. Exactly, gotcha. 322 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: So that's why it was so easy to manipulate these 323 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: people to even do a storyline like that again. 324 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: Because you weren't their real boss. Yeah, stay tuned for 325 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: more of my conversation with Charmaine Bay. We'll be right 326 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: back after some quick ads. This is Reality with the King, 327 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into my conversation 328 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: with Charmaine Bay. When I watched season one of Black 329 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: In Crew, I remember tweeting about it, and I remember 330 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: letting the audience know, like, yo, I love Black Ink Crew. 331 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: I especially loved you because you're such a star and 332 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: you were a breath of fresh air you and I 333 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: was down for season one, baby. I was down for 334 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: Donn and Ashley and Charmaine triangle. I was down for 335 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: Ryan trying to uplift his community. I thought that season 336 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: has so much momentum until I watched season two, episode one, 337 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna keep it real with you, Charmaine. I 338 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 2: will never forget the show opened up and Charmaiy, you 339 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: came into that shop like on one hundred and. 340 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: You know what, that was my job. 341 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: So let me tell you. Season one I thought was 342 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 2: so real, so so honest. Organic season two, you came 343 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: in a shop on one hundred and I was like, 344 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: why is charmaide She is doing the absolute most? Like 345 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: is this the season two thing? Because you know reality stars, 346 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: After season one, we call it this season two blow up. 347 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: Like you see how you look on TV or how 348 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: you act on TV, and you sort of take on 349 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: this character that you think people like. And I was like, 350 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: I really hope Charmain isn't going to be like a 351 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: characature or so because she's. 352 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: Bombed, right. 353 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: And I watched all of season two and it became 354 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 2: more violent than I wanted it to be. And I 355 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: felt that although altercations happened season one, to me, it 356 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: was rooted in a real place. But I felt that 357 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: season two was on ten so talk to me about 358 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 2: what did you sign up for and what did the 359 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: show end up being or becoming. 360 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: So season one was so organic. We were a group 361 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: of friends that hung out every day till two three 362 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: in the morning in Tennessee's smoking weed, you know, doing 363 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: what we wanted to do with each other, those you know, 364 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: having fun at the shop. And that's why season one 365 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: was saw organic because they literally just put the cameras 366 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: up and watched us do us season two. And it's 367 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: so funny because I never spoke with like a producer 368 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: in an interview setting about this, but for you just 369 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: see that. But I do talk about it all the time, 370 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the pressure was put on me too. 371 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, Charmaine is our star, You're the 372 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: start of the show. 373 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: That's why I don't understand. Listen, and I want people 374 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: to know I'm not mean spirited, so when I say this, 375 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: I'm being honest. I never understood why they tried to 376 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: make Ryan the face of the show, when to me, 377 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: it was like, this is Charmain show. 378 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: Well, Ryan owned the shop at the time, and he 379 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: was the reason why you know his baby mom. Rachel 380 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: has a son with Jeremiah A. DH one bought the 381 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: show kind of around that aspect, but when we started 382 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: filming season one, Rachel pulled out. Rachel did the pilot 383 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: with us, but then you didn't see her for the 384 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: rest of season one. So you see her the first 385 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: episode because that was the pilot, and then episode two 386 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: was actually shot like nine months later, and she decided 387 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: that she didn't want to move forward with Black Ink, 388 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: and VH one was like, you know what, we bought 389 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: the show already with this idea, but we're going to 390 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: continue to fuck with it because we got this crazy girl, Charmaine, 391 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: and we just don't see where that goes. So season 392 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: one was super organic and I got to be me free, expiritive, fun, happy, funny, drunk, 393 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: you know whatever I wanted to be. Season two, it 394 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, Charmaine, you're our star, so the whole 395 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: show is on your back. Okay, moving forward, Okay, the 396 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: whole shows on your back. Everybody else, you know, Ryan 397 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: kind of just kind of played in the background a 398 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: little bit. A lot of the drama was still with me. 399 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: Don and Ashley then was still kind of finding himself, 400 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: and four had the music thing going but still not 401 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: really like in the Forefront. So it was like, Charmaine, 402 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: we need you to go like Charmaine. The guys are 403 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: in the shop right now and they are so dull, 404 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: but when you go in there, we need you to 405 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: bring the energy out. We need you. So that's I mean, 406 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: I'm so good at that. I can do that. I mean, 407 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: I can do whatever. 408 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: That's why you came in on ten and he's scaring me. 409 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: Okay, that's why the one to tell you that happened 410 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: for a few seasons, right, I. 411 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 2: Know, I stopped watching I'm gonna be real with you. 412 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: Season two was still good, so I still watched season two, 413 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: but I remember the first episode, like, damn, she's coming 414 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: on strong. But I kind of knew, like, m is 415 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: this someone in her ear or whatever? And then season 416 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: three I still watch because I'm telling you, I love 417 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: the show. Season three is when it was like a 418 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: fight every episode and I was like, y'all, I gotta 419 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: bow out. It was when I think when Ryan punched 420 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: the producer. 421 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we were on a beach on an island. 422 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was like, this ain't my I didn't 423 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: sign up for this. 424 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it definitely got really crazy, and it 425 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: was definitely I mean that was the nature of Black 426 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: Ink at the time. I feel like that's why people 427 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: were watching. They wanted to see those fights. You know, 428 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: I can't even blame production or anything like that, like 429 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: that was the nature of our viewers. 430 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen this. I mean, obviously, I'm a producer, 431 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: so of course I'm not blaming network producers, nobody. As 432 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: an adult, you're responsible for your own actions. So me 433 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: saying that was more so of I watched Black Ink 434 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 2: as a viewer, not as a reality producer, and I 435 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: fell in love with the conceit of the show being 436 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: these entrepreneurial black people in Chicago at the height of 437 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 2: the city being known for its crime and Obama's from Chicago, 438 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: but he's now in office and what that means to 439 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: this city. I bought into that concept, and for me 440 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: it just became something where episode. 441 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: Was a fight, and it was definitely sometimes a pressure 442 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: to like turn up and fight. Like some fights were fabricated, 443 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You could tell which was 444 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: what was real and what wasn't. You know, some things 445 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: that weren't real didn't make it because it was too bad, 446 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: it was too fake. But wrestling, yes, you know. Going 447 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: back to me being like this character, it's so funny 448 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: because by season four, going into like season five, I 449 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: started getting those talks like okay, so we know we 450 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: made you this character, and we know that that's our fault, 451 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: but we need you to come out of that. And 452 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: it actually took me some time to even untrain my 453 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: mind to come out of being a character, to come 454 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: out of coming in on ten like just walk in normally, 455 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: say hey, normally like hey y'all, Like I'm so used 456 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: to coming in like what's up? Your girls are made? 457 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: Hey? 458 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: Hey? You know, just to having to figure out how 459 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: to just walk in just normal, be be yourself be normal, 460 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 1: and they knew that they created that, you know, But 461 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: now then it was time for me to fall out 462 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: of that because of course, you know, they'd be having 463 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: these what are those things called when a group of 464 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: people watch and they give you their little notes, the group, 465 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: the focus group. I'm sure the focus group came back 466 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: like Charmaine can calm down now, you know, but you 467 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: know it took some time. 468 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: Definitely, what is your relationship like now with Ryan? 469 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: First and foremost always respected Ryan because if it wasn't 470 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: for Ryan, I would have never even been on this platform. 471 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: You know, he is the owner of nine Mag and 472 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: nine Mag is the reason why they bought the show, 473 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: like the reason why we got a show, the reason 474 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: why the opportunity was there. I was the girl that 475 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: Ryan said, well, when the network said, well we need 476 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: some more girls, he said, well let me let me 477 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: brings Charmain through. You know. So I would have never 478 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: had this opportunity without Ryan. But again, over time, things 479 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: definitely became more about I guess maybe me. I became successful. 480 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: I you know, worked I worked very hard. It's not 481 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: like I just became successful like I worked so hard, 482 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: like so many people are on this platform, and they 483 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: ain't got shpit just like they didn't have shit before 484 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: the platform. So I definitely took the opportunity with the 485 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: platform because I knew it wasn't gonna be here forever 486 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: to you know, make it do what it do. But 487 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: at some point Ryan and I spootways. When it comes 488 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: to test two shops. I have my shopecon City, Inc. 489 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: Brian has to shop my mag And we still tried 490 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: to like be friends. We beat every now and then. 491 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: But when my mom died, I became cool with Ryan 492 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: again because my mother loved Ryan, and that was kind 493 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: of like something she always spoke about, like she just 494 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: please be cool with Ryan. Please don't argue with Ryan. 495 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,239 Speaker 1: Like you and Ryan, y'all gonna be good, you know. 496 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: So I knew that was so important to her, and 497 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: he knew that too, So we became friends again and 498 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: like just put it all beat aside when my mom died, 499 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: and I really like held that close to my heart 500 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: and felt that, you know, we both are walking a 501 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: new path with each other. But season seven A let 502 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: me tell you, sometimes some people they have issues when 503 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: other people shine a little bit more than they shine. Okay, 504 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: and he is one of those people. And I love Ryan. 505 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I love Ryan, but I know Ryan, 506 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: and that's what I was telling him yesterday. I know you, 507 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 1: so don't act like these things did not happen. So 508 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: season seven, I'm hearing all kinds of things. Yes, producers 509 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: can be messy, we all know that. But I'm hearing things. 510 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: And it all started when he saw that I got 511 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: a producer credit along with his producer credit. So he 512 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: was mad. 513 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: So are you and Ryan the only cast members who 514 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: get a producer credit? 515 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: Yes, and he was mad when he saw that I 516 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: had a producer credit. He was told that I wasn't 517 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: going to have one. So my thing is, why are 518 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: you ask him about me? Though? Are you worried about 519 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: me getting a producer credit? Why you're not just focus 520 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: on your producer credit. You know, I didn't ask for 521 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: a producer credit. They called me and asked me if 522 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: I wanted one, So I let him know that too. 523 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: But you know, it all started with a producer credit. 524 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: So when I got this producer credit, his energy kind 525 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: of switched up a little bit. But that's in my 526 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: face what I'm hearing about him. Behind the scene, there's 527 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: a scene or a situation where they cut one of 528 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: his scenes to put one of my scenes in, and 529 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: he did a lot of preparing for this scene that 530 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: they cut, so he had every right to be frustrated. 531 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: But he behind the scenes having a temper tantrum because 532 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: we know lyon having a temper tantrum, So why things 533 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: always got to go back to this bitch? So I'm like, 534 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: I actually cried. I actually cried when I heard that, 535 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, I'm a bit and I know 536 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: him and that's how he speaks, so I don't say 537 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: anything of out of I actually played nice and I 538 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: just charged it to the game because I know how 539 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: Ryan is and I know he's dealt with a lot 540 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: of trauma in his life, you know. And I ain't 541 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: gonna I ain't gonna make everything issue, so I charge 542 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: it to the game. I never said anything about it. 543 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: Now I've put the show. Now, I'm not even on 544 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: the show. I'm not even a part of it. And 545 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: I get something sent to me where Ryan puts some 546 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: fire emojis in a comment. Someone says Second City, Inc. 547 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: Is fire like my tattoo shot said the city ink fire. 548 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: He said psych So I put him on blast you know, 549 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: wrote that long comment. I did the little real you 550 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: know while you how you mad at me? Because I'm like, 551 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: you obviously got an issue with me, Like how are 552 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: you mad at me? For me being mad at you? 553 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: I recently before that, I skipped apart. I am followed 554 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: Ryan on Instagram and I announced that I put the 555 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: show and I did sneak with him. In the comment, 556 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: I said, I'm followed any nights to follow from Black 557 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: Ink because I was getting messages still from people that 558 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: he hates my success. He hates just everything. 559 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: That I You know, do you think do you think 560 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: Ryan's jealous of you? 561 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: I do think Ryan is jealous of me, But I 562 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: think Ryan can't help it. He can't help it. He's 563 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: not purposely jealous of me. He just we're on the 564 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: same platform. So I'm not supposed to have more than 565 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: him because this was his opportunity. So me having a 566 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: tattoo shop, it's like, now she on the same level 567 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: as me. Me getting the producer credit, Now she on 568 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: the same level as me, you know, And. 569 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: It's like, that's not what it's about. 570 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: There's enough room for all of us to eat here. 571 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: I was so set up and I took the opportunity 572 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: to address it online. Ryan ended up deleting all his 573 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: comments that he left, but then he hit me up. 574 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: He apologized to my husband. He texted him. He texted me, 575 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: and we talked. We were texting till like ten o'clock 576 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: last night. There is no beef with Ryan and I, 577 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: but I am no longer going to allow toxic people 578 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: in my life. And I love Ryan because we have 579 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: so much history. But the problem is I know him 580 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: like the back of my hand. So while he's sitting 581 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: here where I'm telling him, you know, I heard this 582 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: that you're saying this about me, that you're saying that 583 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: about me, that you're saying you calling me bitch, you're 584 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: saying this, And he's like, first he's denying it all, 585 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: and then by ten o'clock you're like, oh, you know what, 586 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. I did say that. 587 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: You know. He was trying to explain it in a 588 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: very logical like he was being logical in the time 589 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: that these things are happening. But I'm like, Ryan, you know, 590 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: I know you right, you know I know that you 591 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: have any temper, santrums and meltdown. So he has a 592 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: lot to work on with himself, and I hope that 593 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: he gets whatever help he needs to get. But I 594 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: told him, keep my name out your mouth and you 595 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: will never have to worry about me saying anything about you. 596 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: Do you have any regrets to doing the show? 597 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: No, not at all. Like I actually cried when it 598 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: was finalized that I'm not on the show, and it 599 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: was because it was like a breakup. You know, this 600 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: is a huge part of me black In through Chicago. 601 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, when I'm walking down the street now, people 602 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: say like, oh, I took some Bey Moss, you know 603 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: my company Sea Mak they taken my Sea Moths. Or 604 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: they'd be like, girl, I love you on the radio. 605 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: But before all of that, it was girl, you'd be 606 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: turning up on Black Ink. I've watched my cousin you. You'd 607 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: be working and bah bah da da dah. You know, 608 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: they'd be telling me the whole rundown. So it hurts 609 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: because I really am very much connected to my fans 610 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 1: and me not being able to connect with them in 611 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: that way anymore, it hurts. You know. It's not what 612 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: I wanted. I didn't want to quit Black Ink I go, 613 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: but I had to because it wasn't going it was 614 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: not benefiting me, and it wasn't going in a good direction. 615 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: So it's like, girl, you got to get out before 616 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: they do some other shit, you know what I'm saying. 617 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: You're like, before they really fuck your life up. It hurts, 618 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: you know. I love everything. I love where I came from. 619 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: I love the glow up that I had. If it 620 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: wasn't for the show, I wouldn't be on the radio. 621 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: I can look back forever and see my mom and 622 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: our relationship and her mannerisms and her voice and just 623 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: such great moments of my life. So I am forever grateful, 624 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: you know. But it's just not gonna work no more. 625 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: Is there any chance you would ever consider going back 626 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 2: to the show? No, I will not be really girl. 627 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: No, I'm not interested. It's not my type of show anymore. 628 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: It's not my I've grown. I've grown from that, you know. 629 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to feel like people are always trying 630 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: to make me seem less than what I am. 631 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: Charmae. I want to just encourage you, because listen, one 632 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: of the things about me being in this space is 633 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 2: the fact that I am here to encourage people who 634 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: look like you, who look like me right, You know 635 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 2: what I mean when I say that black people in 636 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 2: reality TV, because trust me, I know that it is 637 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: a very tough position to be in and there's a 638 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 2: lot of things that a black reality star I have 639 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: to deal with that their white common parts would never understand. 640 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: You know, people want to put the weight of Chicago 641 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 2: on your back. People want to say you represent all 642 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 2: black women. You know, even the idea of having to 643 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: deal with colorism, like oh, you represent all light skinned 644 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: women and how they interact with a darker skinned girl. 645 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 2: You know, there's so much pressure that it takes being 646 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 2: a black reality star that for me, I wanted you 647 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: to hear out of my mouth that I'm here for you. 648 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: I support you, and you are such a fantastic reality 649 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: star that I don't want the one experience that you 650 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: had to negate Two things a the beauty that you 651 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 2: were able to deliver on the show, And that's why 652 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: I appreciate you giving the show as flowers, we're saying, 653 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 2: I have these great memories that you were always holding 654 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 2: cherish And secondly, I don't want you to give up 655 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 2: on continuing on reality TV, but I do want to 656 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: ask you, like, are you done with reality TV. Are 657 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 2: you like, what's next for you? 658 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: So it's so funny because I saw your trailer with 659 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: Monique and the thing that she said she has reality 660 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: TV PTSD, and that is something that I've been telling 661 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: the network, my lawyers, everybody, like I got PPSB. I 662 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: can't be around no camera, you know, da da da 663 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: da da. I will say that because I know the 664 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: nature of what I was dealing with. I know that 665 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: that isn't for me. But I do want to connect 666 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: with my fans. Like I this is what I did 667 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,439 Speaker 1: for seven years. I didn't want to stop. I would 668 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: love to continue to be on reality TV, and I 669 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: would have I would have loved to continue to be 670 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: on Black Ink if we could find a middle ground, 671 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: you know, if if it didn't get so dangerous for me. 672 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: But absolutely I hope that the opportunity comes to me 673 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: to continue to do reality TV and to continue to 674 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: connect with the fans, because I mean, when I tell you, 675 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 1: even me announcing that I quit Black Ink, I've gotten 676 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: so much support, you know. I feel like I have 677 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: so much story to tell, you know. I'm on the 678 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: radio every day. I'm a mama too. I have my 679 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: loving husband, we have businesses. You know, we have family 680 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: situations going on, and I am an open book. I 681 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: am an easy person to connect with, it to have 682 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: fun with. I'm not no hating ass female that it's 683 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: hard to get along with other females and has an 684 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: issue with, you know, a female that might be higher 685 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: than her or bringing somebody down to be lower than me, 686 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: like that's not me. So I would love to continue 687 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: to be on reality TV. It's the right opportunity present itself, 688 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,959 Speaker 1: but the opportunity definitely is not going to be Black Ink. 689 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: That ship has sailed and you know, I appreciate what 690 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: it did for me, and you know I do love 691 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: watching seasons one through four. That was great, but it's 692 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: just not something that I would go back too. 693 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,479 Speaker 2: Well, Listen, I want to know I'm here for you. Thanks, 694 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 2: and I really do appreciate you taking time out of 695 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 2: your busy day being a mom of two to talk 696 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 2: to me. And where can people I continue to follow you, 697 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 2: connect with you and all the businesses and stuff you 698 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 2: have going on the tell the people child. 699 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: So follow me on the gram at Charmaine Bay b 700 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: e Y. You can catch me on iHeartRadio WDCI. I 701 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: am the Midday host one on seven point five every 702 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: day from pennam to two pm. You know, everybody out 703 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: there taking the sea moss. We got all the sea 704 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: mass products from soap to obviously sea mass skin products, everything, 705 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: so check that out beymas dot com and yeah. 706 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: So look, I really enjoyed this conversation with Charmaine. One 707 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 2: thing about this podcast, guys is you are going to 708 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: get the exclusive, but you're also going to get it 709 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 2: in a very deeper, meaningful way. One thing about reality 710 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 2: TV is it can produce some great people, but also 711 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 2: can make people feel like they have to be a 712 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 2: certain way. And as you're watching where reality TV is 713 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 2: going on, some shows, people are becoming way too over 714 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 2: the top because they feel like that's what they have 715 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 2: to be in order to stay on the show. So 716 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 2: I really appreciated Charmain's honesty about recognizing that she was 717 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 2: turning into someone she didn't like anymore, and in order 718 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 2: for her to save her sanity, she had to remove 719 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 2: herself from a situation in order to be a better 720 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 2: wife and a better mother to her child. I salute you, Charmain. 721 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 2: This is not the end of you. And my hope 722 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 2: is that everybody who listened to this can now have 723 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 2: a better understanding of you and the future that I'm 724 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 2: pretty sure will be just as bright as it was 725 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 2: when she walked into a live on Black Ink Crew Chicago. 726 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 2: Thoughts of Onions Read about my conversation with Charmain. Email 727 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 2: me at Reality with the King at stitcher dot com 728 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 2: or leave me a voicemail at three one oho five 729 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 2: ninety three eight one eight eight. Thank you for listening 730 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 2: to Reality with the King. New episodes drop every Wednesday 731 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 2: and Friday. 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