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Speaker 1: It is Monday, October fourteenth, twenty nineteen. It is time

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Speaker 1: for Morning Combat. Hello, donks, my name is Luke Thomas

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Speaker 1: On the host of this program. Back from his sunny

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Speaker 1: vacation South of the Border is Brian Campbell from CBS

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Speaker 1: Sports and many other places.

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Speaker 2: How was it good south of the border? That implies Mexico?

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Speaker 2: I was in Jamaica, you know, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You know a part of Jamaica I was in. No,

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Speaker 2: I do not ride near the beach a boy, ye.

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Speaker 1: No, you're fired. Okay did you did you watch any

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Speaker 1: MMA or pro Lascelling while you were gone?

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Speaker 2: I know not while I was gone. Because they like

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Speaker 2: to get down down there. Contrary to popular belief, they

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Speaker 2: will pass the duchy to the right side as well.

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Speaker 3: Ducchy, you know it's your flavor. However, you know you

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Speaker 3: say tomato. You know what I'm saying, I say incorrectly.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, welcome back, We miss you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Chuck did a great job.

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Speaker 2: Is fantastic. He even took off his hat, which very

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Speaker 2: little people get to see that side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that's like Darth Vader taking off his mask.

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Speaker 2: I know. And it was just just as scary by

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Speaker 2: the way, and shout out to Chuck and nobody touched Dick.

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Speaker 2: So we had a great episod.

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Speaker 1: You know it, Well, we missed you just the same.

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Speaker 1: In course, we couldn't go thirty seconds without you making

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Speaker 1: reference to Genitalia. But we have things to get to,

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Speaker 1: including UFC Tampa Bryant, so let's start where we need

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Speaker 1: to start. Saturday was a great night for y Wanna

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Speaker 1: and j She got back in the win Common. She

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Speaker 1: had a win previous against Teacher Torres, but of course

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Speaker 1: her last fight against Flyway did not go so great

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Speaker 1: against Valentin to Schevchenko. Well, here she was absolutely dominating

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Speaker 1: Michelle Watterson, who, to her credit, thought about I think

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Speaker 1: as violently as she could have. She tried even to

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Speaker 1: totally out gunned. The narrative Brian after this fight is

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Speaker 1: is the Boogie Woman back? You know, she finally is

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Speaker 1: in her I think I want to say her natural

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Speaker 1: weight class, because if you ask me, she's actually more

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Speaker 1: of a tweener. We don't have a one to twenty

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Speaker 1: best spot for her.

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Speaker 2: The pop for twenty five. That's not sure.

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Speaker 1: Not the pop for twenty five and then at one

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Speaker 1: twenty excuse me, one to fifteen. She really is killing

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Speaker 1: herself to get down there and dissected this week. When

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Speaker 1: you get a chance to watch it, because I know

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Speaker 1: you're professor, I don like. Well, here's the one thing

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Speaker 1: I went back. I looked at her Julian Alima fight.

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Speaker 1: She just you can't imagine how much physically smaller. She

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Speaker 1: looks like an American top team under the work of

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Speaker 1: fill the room. She's really put on a ton of

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Speaker 1: muscle mass. Okay, but the point being is, you know,

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Speaker 1: is the boogie Woman back And I'm gonna say no,

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Speaker 1: But hold on, I'm not gonna say no, like it's

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Speaker 1: never gonna happen. It's not true. Here's what I want

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Speaker 1: people to just to understand. One, her weight class issues

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Speaker 1: say she can't make it. She made one fifteen and

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Speaker 1: a half this past time. But I want to point

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Speaker 1: out every time she has to cut weight, it is

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Speaker 1: those weight cuts are going to be easier than others.

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Speaker 1: If she has to travel to certain places now, maybe

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Speaker 1: not Poland, but if she has to go to some

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Speaker 1: other place, God only knows. Because the Mani fighters, you know,

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Speaker 2: But the point being, once they're gonna do now, when

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Speaker 2: there's no drug testing right twenty thirteen bell.

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Speaker 1: For all kinds of stuff, it's really different down there.

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Speaker 1: So to me, that could anything that doesn't go right

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Speaker 1: for her could really jeopardize it. That's not a small consideration. Now,

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Speaker 1: did she look awesome? Did she was she utterly dominant? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Is that a championship caliber fighter? Absolutely? I guess. My

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the way yin Jchek fights

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Speaker 1: Her average fight time is nineteen minutes long. Her average

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Speaker 2: She really was never a finisher Eye she was put.

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Speaker 1: On Penny and of course a Sparza as well. But

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, let's see some more evidence. If she beats

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Speaker 1: the Sylvia's and everyone rotating, have ever done that where

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Speaker 1: It's like GSP Matt Hughes. Not many other fighters have

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Speaker 1: for me. Jerry still out, What about you?

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Speaker 2: She's back and like this show, I'm back. Maybe she's

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Speaker 2: back with a bang.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Some of y'all might get with this, and some of

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Speaker 2: point on this is you remember when Buffer is announcing

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Speaker 2: her name. Okay, there used to be a swagger with

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Speaker 2: the Boogey woman that that defined her. That swagger was

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Speaker 2: gone for a couple fights, all right, It wasn't just

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Speaker 2: the fact that she lost her title and say what too, Well,

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Speaker 2: every fighter's got excuses. Maybe she's never gonna beat ros Nominius.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the wrong striking against her, and she's probably

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Speaker 2: certainly not at one twenty five. But the swagger was gone.

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Speaker 2: You remember her creating sort of fake argument situations like

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Speaker 2: Rose's head. That swagger that she used to have was

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Speaker 2: back when Bruce Buffer or not Bruce Uffer, when Joe

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Speaker 2: her name. I don't know, if you looked closely, some

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Speaker 2: of these moments don't mean anything of the people, but

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Speaker 2: she did the boogey Woman was back. She was basically like,

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Speaker 2: And I know maybe that doesn't mean anything to you,

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Speaker 2: her accuracy in her length. But it was the swagger

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Speaker 2: and reading closely the interviews, and she gave her real

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Speaker 2: where she really opened up about that stretch of Louis,

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Speaker 2: the title and the fights that followed, about the people

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Speaker 2: And again, look, it's an excuse. All fighters have excuses,

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Speaker 2: of the first Rosnama Units fight, it seemed that her

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Speaker 2: same way. She seems back, she seems better for have

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Speaker 2: gone through what she went through. And by that performance,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was perfect prime boogey woman, Young j

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Speaker 2: One fifteen is a division that always delivers. I love it.

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Speaker 2: The fights are great, the personalities are great. They're almost

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Speaker 2: in line if your UFC to create potentially your sexiest

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Speaker 2: matchup possible. What's that? And this is no disrespect to

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Speaker 1: Run, We're gonna find it out.

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Speaker 2: But if you want to comes back and win back

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying there's big business ahead. And she seems

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Speaker 2: Luke that she's gone through the fire. So she went

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Speaker 2: through some stuff, But what's crazy, And here's maybe you're

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Speaker 2: that's over. If she lost this fight, that would be over.

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Speaker 2: She would become a celebrity name who is aging. But

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Speaker 2: she's for whatever reason she bit down, she made that

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Speaker 1: She needs to be. This fight, to me, was a

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Speaker 1: on the Ronda Rousi card, she did fight on an

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Speaker 1: to Connor McGregor card as well. They've really given her

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Speaker 1: Is the somebody who has little bit of swag left?

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Speaker 1: And you're right, I did see the swag when she

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Speaker 1: showed her teeth and it said Polska on the mouthpiece.

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Speaker 2: I remember gave a couple of executioner lucks.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, I was with you. I was like, okay, dude,

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Speaker 1: please don't misunderstand me. She looked awesome. I devoted my

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Speaker 1: missing something else too about this whole thing. If she

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Speaker 1: she lost her title, if she spends time away ghost

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Speaker 1: quite literally. But more importantly, remember we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: strowet division, the division that moves the fastest. Now Tatiana

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Speaker 1: I maintain is a new way she's fighting, not like

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Speaker 1: she did it with swag. That's the difference. The only

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Speaker 1: She looked great. She looked great under any circumstance. But

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Speaker 2: Thought, head to head, even if you will. In the

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Speaker 1: It's super interesting because people don't realize this Manyers coming

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Speaker 2: What a damn good division.

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Speaker 1: He was. His resiliency under those body attacks was remarkable. Okay.

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Speaker 2: This fight is so interesting because I could come at

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Speaker 1: You blew it.

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Speaker 2: You fought a stupid style. You barely went for takedowns,

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Speaker 2: long one. But first and foremost, good Lord, he fought

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Speaker 2: he did that. He walked down Cub Swanson for three rounds.

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Speaker 2: He didn't land the bigger punches, but he showed you

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Speaker 1: Big question coming in major league striking.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not maybe not elite power. Okay, he certainly got

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Speaker 2: He knows how to put punches together and he goes

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Speaker 2: I had not had one beforehead. So let me let

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Speaker 1: Like I'm crazy, because that was the last thing I would.

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Speaker 2: of these Marco Madson guys. Can they evolve? Can they

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Speaker 2: in this fight, went out there and did it for

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's trying to prove it to himself.

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Speaker 2: hipster take or not, He's going to be better for

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Speaker 2: this performance in the long run, because I think he

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Speaker 2: in that matchup. He did pretty damn good, Luke Right,

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Speaker 1: So I don't think so at the age he is given.

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Speaker 1: It's not that he doesn't have tremendous athletic ability. Like

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Speaker 1: We're talking too, of the all time best. He won

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Speaker 1: Torres as a multiple time medalist out of Auto's beat

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Speaker 1: give him credit there. But these Gracies have these delusional

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Speaker 2: We're impressed by his stand up, and again I was

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Speaker 1: I am impressed by his stand up. I was impressed

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Speaker 2: He's a free spirit. I was gonna use the term

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I almost felt like he completely flipped the swipt script,

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Speaker 2: But I think he did pretty damn good in trying

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Speaker 2: But it seems he's got that free spirit side of him.

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Speaker 1: But this is the point. Is he is he going

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Everyone everyone's talking like this evolution is inevitable. Is he

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Speaker 2: We pause and just put that out there.

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Speaker 1: That to me was the most impressive thing.

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Speaker 2: That absolutely ridiculous. His ability to no sell body shots

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Speaker 1: Was it was like, not that happened, that would That

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Speaker 1: But if it's just going to be gracie jiu jitsu

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Speaker 2: May never end up becoming well rounded. It may be

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Speaker 2: It's probably not the smartest for his long term win

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Speaker 1: can evolve, if he can evolve, hey, all bets are off.

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Speaker 2: It looked like he had the edible before the fighting.

433
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Speaker 1: If that's what if what he showed us is what

434
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Speaker 1: it's going to be. You've already seen the limits of it.

435
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Speaker 1: Now one more thing, James vick I talked to him yesterday.

436
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,320
Speaker 1: Four losses in a row, three by first round stoppage,

437
00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,800
Speaker 1: brutal ones. On top of that, he even said going

438
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,480
Speaker 1: into this fight like, if I lose one more time,

439
00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my walking papers. I didn't ask him

440
00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,040
Speaker 1: about it. I got the health update. His teeth are fine,

441
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,840
Speaker 1: his jaws fine. CT scan came back and negative, but

442
00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,160
Speaker 1: he thinks he tore his knee. Hes going to get

443
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Speaker 1: an MRI. Where does he go from here?

444
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,439
Speaker 2: He's going to have to go where he should have

445
00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,600
Speaker 2: went after that third straight knockout loss, which is to

446
00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,160
Speaker 2: take time off and really a decide if you still

447
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,200
Speaker 2: want to be doing this on this level. And b

448
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,480
Speaker 2: he's got fundamental flaws and we've talked about it on

449
00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,760
Speaker 2: the show after his last knockout loss doesn't move his

450
00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,760
Speaker 2: head enough. There seemed to be legitimate fundamental flaws in

451
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,840
Speaker 2: his defense in the way that he fights, that this

452
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,280
Speaker 2: may end up continuing to happen, and the fact that

453
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Speaker 2: he came back from that last knockout loss is third

454
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Speaker 2: in a row and comes back to what two three

455
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,600
Speaker 2: months moves up in wait seemed a little bit desperate.

456
00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,160
Speaker 2: It seemed way too soon, and then to lose like that.

457
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 2: You say where he goes from here? I mean, I'd

458
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,840
Speaker 2: certainly like to see that takes some time off and

459
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,120
Speaker 2: really look at it approach. But it might be over

460
00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,600
Speaker 2: already because those are some tough ass losses and they're

461
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Speaker 2: not freak losses. Maybe one or two where I ran

462
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Speaker 2: into something, but it's becoming a trend. His chin is

463
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Speaker 2: there to be hit, and each time he's getting hit

464
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Speaker 2: with these violent shots, he's done. This is not a

465
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Speaker 2: good sign for a very talented guy who just what

466
00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,600
Speaker 2: a year ago, was a sneaky top five potential title

467
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 2: contender at that loaded lightweight division. Tough to see this turn,

468
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 2: but I don't see how you can keep absorbing these

469
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:07,760
Speaker 2: and just be like, hey, let's roll the dice. We'll

470
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:08,560
Speaker 2: do it again and see what happens.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when the announced this fight, I was actually kind

472
00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 1: of worried for him because Nico Price, Like, do I

473
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Speaker 1: think James Vick is more technical than him? I do,

474
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Speaker 1: But Nico Price scores from every position. He like, if

475
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 1: fighters want to ask, hey, who's a guy who, no

476
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Speaker 1: matter where he is, in what kind of position he's in,

477
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 1: he scores damage on his opponent. It's Nico Price. Hammer

478
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,399
Speaker 1: fists from the bottom, up, kicks in weird transition elbows.

479
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Speaker 1: It was a tough fight for a guy who I

480
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:37,959
Speaker 1: think works better against other technical fighters, but different conversations.

481
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 1: I asked Hi about his teeth. I was like, how

482
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Speaker 1: your teeth. He's like, They're okay, believe it or not.

483
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, because that was terrible. All right,

484
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 1: So then we move on to somebody else speaking of

485
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Speaker 1: leaving MMA. If it comes to that he is leaving MMA,

486
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Speaker 1: Kane Velaski is your former UFC heavyweight champion is done.

487
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 1: He has notified the UFC, he is officially retiring. He

488
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: has withdrawn from the USADA testing pool. He will, now

489
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 1: what do you want to call it? He's gonna go

490
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: do He's gonna do go do the wrastling over in WWE.

491
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 1: I guess curry if I'm wrong on this one. Brian Campbell.

492
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Speaker 1: He's going to face brock Lesner at the end of

493
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Speaker 1: this month, October thirty first, in Saudi Arabia, which, by

494
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Speaker 1: the way, real quickly on this one because I'm gonna

495
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: puch it to you first, that whole like, ooh, it's

496
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Speaker 1: controversial to do WWE or any kind of supporting event

497
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Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. Boy that died fast, huh, Because before

498
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Speaker 1: it was Curry if I'm wrong, the previous it's called

499
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Speaker 1: Crown Jewel.

500
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Speaker 2: They've had two to three events.

501
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Speaker 1: So far, but it was like the number of events,

502
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the good ones. They're bringing the heavy hitters

503
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Speaker 1: for this one, and everyone's like, yeah, we don't care

504
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 1: about that. He can ride some muses anymore. Okay, but

505
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: forget about that for just a second, because I know

506
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Speaker 1: Josh Was and Ruis are going to be there in December.

507
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Speaker 1: What do you want to say about the MA legacy?

508
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Speaker 2: First, I want to pause and say it's pretty remarkable

509
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 2: that we're in this third boom period of pro wrestling

510
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: and everything's hot right now, and pre wrestling made it

511
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 2: into this rundown on this week's show. I never thought

512
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,239
Speaker 2: we'd see that.

513
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Speaker 1: Well, I came here from the here's the thing, and

514
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Speaker 1: I'm doing a bit. I don't know what to say

515
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: about on the pre wrestling side, but there is an

516
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: MMA conversation to be all right, you can have whatever,

517
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 1: say what you want. What's what's the big takeaway?

518
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: The big tape away for me is morse about what

519
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: could have been. And you could say, look, he's thirty seven.

520
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: We may have already known what wasn't gonna be because

521
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: of the consistent injury streak. But I still believed. I

522
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 2: still believe that what I saw in his absolute prime

523
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Speaker 2: before that, or really in the midst of that insane

524
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Speaker 2: stretch of one injury after another that pulled him out

525
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Speaker 2: of the cage, is the best heavyweight fighter I've ever seen.

526
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Speaker 2: And I know we're gonna lose subscriptions because peoplere gonna go,

527
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 2: you'd put prime Caine up against prime Fade or you.

528
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Speaker 2: I think maybe I even would, certainly though within the

529
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Speaker 2: UFC banner, the best heavyweight I've ever seen, better than Katura,

530
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 2: better than the Ocic, maybe better than Cormier, and we

531
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: never saw him get to really show that. And it

532
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: was the injuries, it was the layoffs. Look, he's had

533
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Speaker 2: three fights in six years. I mean, we really have

534
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Speaker 2: to remember that if you go back and actually do

535
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Speaker 2: the math and look at the stretch like miss thirteen

536
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 2: months came back knocked out Travis Brown, missed thirty three months,

537
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: comes back, and then we know the sort of heartbreaking

538
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 2: for Kane way that he lost at Gono before the

539
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 2: fight even started. We never really got to see. But

540
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Speaker 2: what's crazy is because he was so good in that

541
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Speaker 2: initial rise, running through Brock, knocking out Big Nog, just

542
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 2: really doing big things, we suspended our disbelief that this

543
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be a tragic tail at least I did.

544
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: I mean even up to the point where just on

545
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: his comeback, he's thirty seven, we know had heavyweights aage late,

546
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: but I'm still like, don't worry, he's gonna come back.

547
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: He's gonna figure out health, he's gonna get back in there,

548
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 2: and he's gonna show you because you can't unteach the cardio.

549
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 2: He's got the wrestling and he's tough as nails. But

550
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: we never got there. And he's a two time UFC

551
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: heavyweight champions. So this isn't a sob story. This isn't

552
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: a tragic story. This isn't somebody that partied their way

553
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: out of their legacy. But look, you can't sit here

554
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: and tell me he didn't show you in that brief

555
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 2: prime he was special. He was certainly next next level

556
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: and still gonna be an all time great, gonna probably

557
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: make the UFC Hall of Fame, all that good stuff.

558
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: And from a personal standpoint, now he can put the

559
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 2: heartbreak in the injuries to side, make a ton of

560
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 2: money because wrestling is hot and he had multiple suitors.

561
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: Ww threw a crapload of multi year money at him,

562
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Speaker 2: and now he could be in a script environment. Sure

563
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Speaker 2: they don't script in the injuries, in the in the

564
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Speaker 2: tragic heartbreak, but for me as a fan, for me

565
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Speaker 2: as somebody who rates legacies, this is a.

566
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Speaker 1: Tough pill swamp quickly. How much do you think he's making.

567
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: It's hard to say. I haven't dug too deep the

568
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: dirt sheets, but considering the competition, aw which just launches

569
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 2: a rival to WWE right now, they were after him, dude,

570
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 2: Japan was after him, so I'd have to think it

571
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: was just an offer he couldn't refuse, which ten million

572
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: not that high, but in the millions, I've enough for

573
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Speaker 2: him to say, why am I going to go through

574
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Speaker 2: these training camps, get these injuries, potentially get these losses.

575
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, one thing, I'll say, the heartbreak he

576
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Speaker 2: must have endured while going through this, that must have

577
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: been hell. Yeah, knowing what he brought to the table,

578
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: you think I'm overblown at all. Did you see the

579
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: same thing in him as a fighter at his friend No?

580
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Speaker 1: Uh, if you missed it, it's hard to explain, you know,

581
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: if you didn't see Kane Velasquez. Here's what was so funny.

582
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: When he retired, it made news in MMA headlines. He

583
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Speaker 1: didn't make the news I thought it would, and it

584
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: kind of broke my heart to see that a little bit.

585
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Speaker 1: To be quite honest, dude, if you didn't see Kane

586
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Speaker 1: Velasquez as he was running through everyone, I gotta tell you.

587
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Speaker 1: When he was on Bowdog Fight, I remember talking. I

588
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Speaker 1: don't know if it was a crazy Bob Cook or

589
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: somebody else. I remember them going, dude, this is the guy.

590
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: This is the guy. And you know this story too.

591
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: Every manager you talked to and every trainer you talked to,

592
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: they say the exact same thing. And then you watched

593
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: them competeing You're like, maybe they were onto something. And

594
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: then he made his UFC debut in his third fight

595
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Speaker 1: and just ran through everyone like a freight train.

596
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Speaker 2: By the way, he had that he had the hidden weapon.

597
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 2: I mean he had five round heavyweight cardio, which yes,

598
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 2: is not really a thing.

599
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: And also to be to be a Mexican American. And

600
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: here's what I want to explain to people. When he

601
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Speaker 1: beat brock Lesnar a UFC one twenty one in Anaheim,

602
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 1: you can go see reaction shots of it on the internet.

603
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: It was akin to imagine if Yeah, it was like

604
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Speaker 1: when it was like when Attasanya beat Whitaker, except imagine

605
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: everyone was on Atasanya side. It was a little bit,

606
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: I dare say, of McGregor beating Aldo, where you had

607
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: this reigning king, not in the same way that Aldo was,

608
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 1: but somebody holding a title and then this young upstart

609
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: challenger not really beating him, demolishing him.

610
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: And talk about narratives, let's remember this narrative when Lesnard

611
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: beat Shankar and came back from the deep dark depths

612
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: of Hell and UFC one sixteen, he became for a

613
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: brief period of folk Caro in an MMA. It was

614
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: like it was one of those marble walks into the

615
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: sport when is the heavyweight title in this sport fight

616
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: or whatever, and then just walk like gets up from

617
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: hell against this beast and Carwin, who he didn't really know,

618
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: had one round ped Cardio at that point. Possibly don't

619
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: assume me, but you get my point. I came into

620
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: that fight going, yeah, Brock will figure it out, He'll

621
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: find a way, and then you get that sober reality

622
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: and it was never this guy has no flaws.

623
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was never close. And then to look

624
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Speaker 1: in the crowd and to see all the Chicano and

625
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: Hispanic Americans bringing the house down. You thought. At the

626
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: same time, when when is he just beat Whitaker? You thought, wow, dude,

627
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: he's about to He's about to do amazing things in

628
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: the sport. When Vigregor beat Aldo, same thing, You're like,

629
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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a this is the takeover.

630
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Speaker 1: That is where Kane Velasquez was. And don't get me wrong,

631
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: the most important fights he had in his career were

632
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: the trilogies. Obviously with JDS, but again on that big stage.

633
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: He gets knocked out with you know, because of injury,

634
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: but he didn't deliver on Big Fox, and then he

635
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: goes away because of all these injuries. I remember, I

636
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: got so nervous after this one when he beat Brock.

637
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: I remember it was Dave Meltzer out of Yahoo reporting

638
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: he had torn his labor m and his rotator cuff.

639
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: I had just had not too long before that laboram

640
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: surgery in my shoulder, and I remember, dude, it took

641
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: me a full year before I felt like myself again.

642
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: I was aggressively rehabbing three times a week. I was like, dude,

643
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: he's going to be gone for a while. Sure enough,

644
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: he was gone for over a year, and then constant

645
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: other injuries all the time. All this is to say,

646
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: if you're a superstar, you have two periods in your career.

647
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, one is your race to the title and

648
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: one is what you do with it. And that first

649
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: period flawless. The second period had its bright spots, but

650
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: it did not deliver on the promise. And it's unfortunate

651
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: because he looked to have all the things you want

652
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: to fight it out.

653
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: And if you're going to be completely protective of his legacy,

654
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: if you're some kind of super fan, I mean, you

655
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: can almost argue away the two losses in his prime,

656
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: the JDS loss on Big Fox. He had a big

657
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: time injury coming into that. I know, so did Junior

658
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: as well, But that was sort of almost flucish in

659
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: the way it ended. And then the Sea level Caine

660
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: moment against Verdunm. Yeah he got his ass kicked, but

661
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: it's certainly coming off a really long lay playoff at

662
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: that point, wasn't the full on prime active version. And

663
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 2: that guy never came back. And when you consider that

664
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: Daniel Cormier, now one of the greatest of all time,

665
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: being the best friend ever apparently or maybe being a

666
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: shrewd businessman by the way, moved to another division to

667
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: allow this guy to ragin because he would say in interviews, yeah,

668
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: we wrestle every day, and that guy kicks my ass.

669
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: I mean, what could have.

670
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: Been Luke also lasting on this to have a heavyweight now,

671
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: people tried to make it Chris Areola, but it really wasn't.

672
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: When kve Alaskas again after beating brock Lesner to have

673
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: a Mexican again, a Mexican American whatever you want to

674
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: call him, champion at heavyweight, dude, he was a unicorn.

675
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: He was a total and complete unicorn. The UFC must

676
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: have thought, oh my god, we hit Peter. We're gonna

677
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: take this guy to Mexico. We're gonna open that market.

678
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: We're going to capture this Hispanic origin audience, whether they

679
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: speak Spanish or whether they don't. We're going to cross worlds,

680
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: the promise he's gonna be Ohofice, and they took him

681
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: down there to Mexico and he couldn't make it the

682
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: first time out, and then when they finally did, he lost.

683
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: That's it's just so crazy.

684
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: That's why there wasn't big fan fair when he retired.

685
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: He never had that true charisma. It's what makes people

686
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: question post the fans who got here after McGregor and Rausi.

687
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: They don't understand King Velaski's at all, and he certainly

688
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: never lived up to what he could have been as

689
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: a superstar. Didn't own the moment with the microphone, which

690
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 2: makes you question him. Going to wrestling, we find out

691
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: he's a natural. He can do moves in a wrestling

692
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: ring that smaller lucid doors can do. That's why he's

693
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: going to have a chance at lasting. But look, I

694
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: know that we don't talk wrestling on the show. So

695
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: here's my big moment.

696
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Thank you Jesus.

697
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we the people shout out to Jake Hager.

698
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: There, but are you rock hard with him?

699
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got a Phon.

700
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: Just like, by the way, I went back and listen

701
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: to that. He never said Phoner, he said straight up Boner. No,

702
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: he said Phoner. Dude, we look up. We played it

703
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: on my radio show. He flat out said Boner. He said, Boner.

704
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: Shout out to Jake Hager on that way. So as

705
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: it pertains to wrestling, because we're never ever going to

706
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: have this chance again because you'll donk me out of

707
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: this shows, Well, yes, will you care? Now? You are

708
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: a wrestling hater, But there's gonna be a lot of

709
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: casual or laps wrestling fans who are now being offered

710
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: by the w WE. The brock Cane rematch. It's gonna

711
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: happen in Saudi Arabia, it's gonna happen under BS wrestling

712
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: and all that. But that's creative matchmaking that doesn't necessarily suck, right,

713
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: Would you care at all? Which to see what happened,

714
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: to watch it, to watch a stream, to cross streams,

715
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: to do anything.

716
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Involving I'd rather watch my family killed in front of me.

717
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: You don't mean that, No, No, I absolutely mean that.

718
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, you're not a wrestling fan. I prefer

719
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: the term adult. Actually is the is the word I

720
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: would choose. No, I won't. I want. It's like with

721
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: Rowsey's thing, It's like, if that's it looks, that's what

722
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: you like, you like, But for me now I know

723
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean.

724
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: It that Tyson Fury.

725
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: It's like would you watch would you watch a would

726
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: you watch a Kane Velasquez brock lesnar chess match?

727
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: Like no, And I'm not gonna say he's nailed it.

728
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: He came back. I don't know if you saw him shirtless.

729
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: He probably wants to hit the gym with the Brown

730
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: Pride tap before you.

731
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: Are you really gonna are you gonna have body shamee?

732
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: Because you know Vince McMahon sitting there going, hey, buddy,

733
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 2: let's can we can we get on can we get

734
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: some candy for further the big man? Can we get

735
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: on the juice here? Can we do some things here?

736
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is here, Luke a right, I

737
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: want to be the bad guy, but I also don't

738
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: want to deal with your stupid games about this. People

739
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: are gonna kind of care about this.

740
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm not dude. I hope he's successful. I'm not anyway,

741
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's not for me, you're asking is

742
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: it for me? No, it's not for me. But if dude,

743
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: if it, like, is that pay per view going to like, well,

744
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: I guess they don't want to sell it to the

745
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: MSOs anymore. But is it going to be highly watched?

746
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: I suspect that it will be, right, isn't Brock still hot?

747
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

748
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: Not Howzie once was, but still relevant and you got the.

749
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury element, by the way. But going to Saudi,

750
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: I think with the boxing match going there, it's kind

751
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: of allowed people to take a step back and it's

752
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: now becoming normal.

753
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also.

754
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: Because WWE was shameless and they're doing it like they

755
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: were just straight up like this.

756
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: Is I'm surprised they didn't have beheadings in between matches

757
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: to appease the Saudi government.

758
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: It's like when you're in grade school and you sleep

759
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: over somebody's house and you're like, wait, your mom, dad,

760
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: and your dad's girlfriend will live under the same roof

761
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: and it's cool, and they're like, yeah, it's cool. Like

762
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: that's just basically what they're potly presenting to us. And

763
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: after a while, I think the same thing with it.

764
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: You know, the steroid users in baseball. Look that have

765
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: admitted it, right, and Tiombi's the Pettitts. We're just like

766
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: the good dudes. They're good folks. But it's like the diehards,

767
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: the Maguires and the others who just won't, like, won't

768
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: do it, won't.

769
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: Lamar eventually admitted it.

770
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably did.

771
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: All right. Let's talk about one of the other events

772
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: that happened over the weekend. It was one century. Did

773
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: you watch it?

774
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: Pieces?

775
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: Pieces? Okay, same thing pieces for me. There were some

776
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: bright spots, but it was a lot of I watched

777
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: the Brandon verified that was really good, and I watched

778
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: the Demitrious Johnson fight and he looked amazing, capturing a

779
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: title the whole nine yards. And so there was something

780
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: that I saw pop up on Twitter if I may,

781
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: Bryan Campbell, which was in capturing the one championship flyweight

782
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: Grand Prix titles. You see the belt, by the way,

783
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: the belt is as big as he is is. Now

784
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: that's the UFC belt. The US Sea Belt, which by

785
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: the way, I think is big, is modest by comparison.

786
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: Get Jay in the back. Can we get updated photos here?

787
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: This thing was enormous in any event the question is

788
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: does he belong still in the pound for pound debate?

789
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, I want to pause you and

790
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: ask you a qualifying question. Please do when you say

791
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: pound for pound debate, do you mean pound for pound

792
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: top ten fighters in the world or do you mean

793
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: pound for pound king number one?

794
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand the difference number one.

795
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: He ranks in the top does from moving from UFC

796
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: to one and kind of going off our radar. Does

797
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: Demetrius still belong in the race for the pomp for

798
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: pound king? Or is he still should be? He still

799
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: be considered a top ten?

800
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know how you could possibly take him

801
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: out of the top ten. However, should he be long

802
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: number one? That's the one that I saw people saying, like,

803
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: he clearly deserves to be king. I think if you

804
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: took him out of the top ten, you would be

805
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: just disqualifying yourself from this conversation. That is a that's

806
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: just a given right. He's only been in one for

807
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: what about a year or so. I didn't frankly, I

808
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: didn't think he lost the rematch to Henry Shudo. To

809
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: be honest with you, that can we put those cards

810
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: on the table, right I understand you have to respect

811
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: the decision. And then what he did against Dilashaw and

812
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: then especially what he did against one of Marish has

813
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: been so impressive by Henry so Hudo, the absolutely have

814
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: earned everyone's respect. By now.

815
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 5: I thought Mighty Mouse won that rematch. To be those

816
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: three judges are who we blame for this triple scringerra

817
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 5: right now going on and maybe.

818
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: So, but here's the point. Maybe two of the opponents

819
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: he's beaten in.

820
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: One Yeah, that's the problem.

821
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: Right, he's beaten three guys in a row without Wikipedia entries.

822
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: That's not an exaggeration.

823
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: They come the Mendoza the line here, I'm trying to

824
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: decide somebody.

825
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: Well again, here's here's the issue. What you don't want

826
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: to do is you don't want to recreate the old

827
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Strike Force debate, which is either it's UFC or it's trash.

828
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: And then you see all the Strike Force and WEC

829
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: guys come over and they are wrecking shop. And to

830
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: be clear, some of these one guys could come over

831
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: and absolutely beat UFC fighters, and some of them could

832
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: and probably will come over and contend for titles. Bibiano Fernandez,

833
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: I think who's their champion could have easily won maybe

834
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: or something contended for a UFC bantamweight title. So this

835
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: is not what I'm saying. At the same time, I

836
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: watch a lot of fights. I've been watching fights a

837
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: long time. I think the fighters, the Danny King Gods,

838
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: the guy he beat over the weekend, the yu Yo

839
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: wakamatsus and the tatsu meetsu watas Wow, all right. I

840
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: think that these guys are talented fighters, and they're giving

841
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: him tough outs. I don't think they're the best fighters

842
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: in the world in that weight class, and I think

843
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: unless you're fighting those guys, fight in and fight out

844
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: for the most part, you can't be in contention for

845
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: number one. That doesn't mean, by the way, that he's

846
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: not the most talented fighter still today. It's just that

847
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: beating those guys doesn't tell you that.

848
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: The reason why I have you colorify that, I agree

849
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: he cannot be the powerful pound king anymore. It's just

850
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: it's the nature of the beast that it's taking a

851
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: consistent step down. We think in competition it's harder to

852
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: judge against. I think he's still in the middle of

853
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: that top ten. He's currently not in my top ten

854
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: by the way, because I know people are gonna kill

855
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: me over this only because my CBS Sports they prefer

856
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: to do UFC only for seo purposes. I get not

857
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 2: even belitur no ufcah anyone that's gonna now Google search

858
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: and be like that Don Campbell, But he would be

859
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: in the middle of my top ten. But I want

860
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: to ask you this question, how this relates to what

861
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: this does to somewhat. It's not penalizing his legacy, but

862
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: it's putting him sort of off the radar, going to one,

863
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: getting out of the UFC bubble, getting out of the

864
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: mainstream American Although let's not like this was a big

865
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: move for one, right, Finally getting a live card on TNT,

866
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: which we can get into was a big move for that.

867
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 5: They're gonna make a US debut. It's not big until

868
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 5: I see the ratings, then it's big.

869
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: Okay, But they're gonna get there. But as of no now,

870
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: for this year that DJ's been there, it might it

871
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: might as well not be happening or happening in another world. Right,

872
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: what does that do? Because I feel like it already

873
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: has dampened his career legacy, because let's be honest, before

874
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: the loss of Suhudo, he had rightfully, I thought entered

875
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: that upper room that I wass talked about, that top table,

876
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: that top four or five guys, the Anderson Silva, the

877
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: GSP of the John Jones, Cormier before maybe before the loss,

878
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 2: maybe still and Johnson and maybe Fador.

879
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: You get where I'm going with this.

880
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: I feel like since he's lost that fight, which by

881
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: the way, had two injuries during that fight, and I

882
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: thought he kind of got a screwjob on the judges

883
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: and didn't get the guaranteed rematch because UFC traded him,

884
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: does this take him out of that all time great

885
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: conference sation just today? Does it put him down into

886
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: that next tier of the.

887
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: All those the old thing. The only thing you're allowed

888
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: to do is to say, in looking at him, who

889
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: is he fighting? And what can we discern from that?

890
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: And the reality is there's a lot of mystery around

891
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: it because we don't really know. There's not enough crossover.

892
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: Folks who think one is a modern day Pride, it

893
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: is not for one reason, well for many reasons. One

894
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: of them is in the price there actually was a

895
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: little bit of crossover to be able to tell what

896
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: was happening, and it was just clear Pride had better

897
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: for a time anyway, Pride had much better talent. Obviously

898
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: they got drained out and the whole thing collapsed. But

899
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: this is not the same scenario, in part because there

900
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: is this sort of division and it's fireball between them,

901
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: and in part because these guys have not faced anything

902
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: we've ever really known to be for the most part,

903
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: not entirely for the most part, not a credible challenge,

904
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: but some kind of real discerning signpost, some kind of

905
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: thing you could look at and say, Aha, it's a

906
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: real achievement. Other than now, they fought Demitriz Johnson, you

907
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: can measure them against that. I guess what I'm trying

908
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: to say is you can say, reasonably, you're fighting these guys.

909
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: We just can't say you're number one. But are you

910
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: allowed to personally believe he's the most talented fighter alive? Yes,

911
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: you are. You are absolutely allowed. I don't think that's

912
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: crazy at all. You just can't say, if you're fighting

913
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: dudes like this, I'm the king of the world. You

914
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: are removed from that conversation at that point. That's and

915
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: by the way, it's like Anderson Silva do these losses

916
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: take away from his legs. When you get to BJ

917
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Penn territory and then you're outside the lava shack fighting. Well,

918
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: that's one thing that thinks.

919
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: That's Roy Jones steun your territory in boxing when you

920
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: get so far.

921
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: But Anderson Silva, that streak he's on is the most

922
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: impeccable shriek first championship fighter with this we've ever seen.

923
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Demetrius Bevita, but for me, the

924
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: anderl one's better point being is at middleweight ad middlewight.

925
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: How about that. That's the most impeccable thing we've ever

926
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: seen in that division. You can't take that away from him.

927
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: That's what's interesting about this upper room debate. I look,

928
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: it's highly nerdy. This is next level nerdy.

929
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: Oh it's super nerdy.

930
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: Fill some podcast time. But some people get there and

931
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: it's concrete forever. Anderson Silva is a good example. You

932
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: can almost do nothing short of losing ten in a

933
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: row B J. Penn style to get yourself out of it.

934
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: But sometimes when someone enters it under a hipster debate,

935
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: which Johnson at that point was a little bit of

936
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: a hipster debate. Good lord he was. You know, we've

937
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: never seen him lose since he went down to Flywood.

938
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: He was killing everybody was great. Yeah, I thought he

939
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: deserved it. But when someone's close intentative, I feel like

940
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: the first chance we get to remove them from there,

941
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: we do. And I feel like maybe subconsciously, we've all

942
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 2: just sort of said, okay, DJ was there, Oh let's

943
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: pull him a step down and I and I don't

944
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: know if that's fair, but I think that's kind of

945
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: what happened.

946
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: Well, look, look what's happening to Askrin. He had, he

947
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: was undefeated before coming over to the UFC. He has

948
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: that controversial fight with all of them, obviously gets viciously

949
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: kioed by Jorgey Masvedal. The point was, when he was

950
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: over at one, the whole argument was he has not

951
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: been properly measured. Now, I'm not saying that that division

952
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: at one seventy over there is the same as what

953
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: he's fighting. Obviously in Asia you have access to a

954
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: much broader array of lighter weight classes. But I guess,

955
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: but the point is he's come over and he has

956
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: clearly had tougher fights right away. It's not to say

957
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: that some of those guys he fought there, couldn't come

958
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: over and win. It's not to say he won't be

959
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: Demi and Maya. But here's the other point. If he

960
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: loses to Demi and Maya, which I don't know that

961
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: he will, but let's say that he does. Now you

962
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: have to reevaluate that trade as well. Who got the

963
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: upper end of the trade, Because when he was riding

964
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: into that Jorgey Masvedal fight, you're like, oh, man, UFC

965
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: really lucked out here. I mean, one got a ton,

966
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: but UFC got someone that was much more their kind

967
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: of guy, right with the brash loudness. He's not been

968
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: so brashing so loud recently. And then if he goes

969
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: in there and again, if he beats them, and my

970
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: I forget it. But if he loses, I think a

971
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna say that trade needs to

972
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: be reevaluated.

973
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: It's just interesting with Demetrius, and look, this may be

974
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: same thing with Kane. Lasson's going to pro wrestling career

975
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: wise is probably the best move DJ could have done.

976
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: Gonna make a lot of money, going to be able

977
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 2: to add on to his legacy in certain ways. Whatever

978
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: he wins and the defenses he can put together with one.

979
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: But as a fan, I lament his going because I

980
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: wanted him in that greatest of all time category, because

981
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: I felt he deserved it, and I felt the way

982
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: he could have cemented it was to move back up

983
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: to bantamweight and take on him maybe a truly career

984
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: defining challenge. Look, he had done something that's super special.

985
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: He had proven a UFC flyweight that he could not

986
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: be beaten usually twice around for these guys. Then the

987
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: loss happened. We never got to see him run that

988
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: back loss, run that loss back and then move up

989
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: and try to see how.

990
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: Great he can be. Yeah, well, here's the deal. He

991
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: wanted to go to one, to truyt something new, to

992
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: make some cash, to not have to deal with the

993
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: UFC rigamarole. I'm happy for him. I think he's doing

994
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: great over there. And when a title, by the way,

995
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: the size of a buick, So.

996
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to shout out one because when they're in

997
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: the spot, they're almost in the same spot. PFL is

998
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: for me, there's so much damn MMA to watch, goodlock,

999
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: good lord, there's so much dand boxing and pro wrestling

1000
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: to watch.

1001
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: You.

1002
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: I sometimes don't want these things to make to force

1003
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: me to have a reason to watch them. This one

1004
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: double card this weekend was they did get on my

1005
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: radar and sampling a bit, even considering the tragedy going

1006
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: on in Japan with the with the typhoon coming out

1007
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: and the earthquake, what we thought would be a small crowd.

1008
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: Did you hear that crowd pop with Vera Lost? Sure?

1009
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: Yes, the old thing you sing on New Year's Eve?

1010
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: Yes, the pop was insane.

1011
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: It was no, it's it was a big show. Well

1012
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: I want to see that.

1013
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: Are you trying to get out here?

1014
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: I know Jay is in my ear. All right, let's

1015
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: move on to the next one. I'll go to the

1016
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: you first of this one if I can. Bryan Campbell.

1017
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: This upcoming weekend, I believe I think it's Friday, if

1018
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: not Saturday, uh UFC Boston. They're gonna go back to Beantown,

1019
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: the most racist city in America, and they're gonna have

1020
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: a main event. I just I just threw that inter

1021
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: to be a hater, all right, They just people are

1022
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: gonna get better. All right, here's the truth. Though. They're

1023
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: gonna have Chris Whyman taking on Dominic Ra in your

1024
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: main event at light heavyweight. He is moving up to

1025
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: light heavyweight. He's looking for that greatness, looking trying to

1026
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: recapture some things that have been lost since that. Well,

1027
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: a couple losses that you have in the middleway division,

1028
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: most recently the Jacques Array. All right, I'll ask you,

1029
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, what's on the line here for either gentleman?

1030
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: Oddly enough, I think a title shot is on the

1031
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: line for both, as crazy as that sounds, because if

1032
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: you're dom Reyis and you lose, if you win, I

1033
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: think you get a title shot. It's a thin pool

1034
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: at light heavyweight. The UFC does not seem ready right

1035
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: now to bump up a Johnny Walker to that you know,

1036
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: top five level. We're close, We're getting there. We're gonna

1037
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: find out how great he is. But as things stand now,

1038
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: we know it's been hard finding John Jones opponents. They

1039
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: didn't reward with a title shot, they instead put it there.

1040
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: How are we going on that pronunciation? Belkovich, Belhovich, John

1041
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: Blockowitz Blockwit.

1042
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I am coach for dom Reyis.

1043
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: This is certainly a chance to in my opinion, leap

1044
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: over that group, get a big win over a name,

1045
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: and if he loses it's just sort of go back

1046
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: to the drawing board. For Wideman. I think it's almost

1047
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 2: all or not right now. He certainly has a name

1048
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: that that division lacks in terms of who can we

1049
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: what's a sexy B side we can keep John Jones

1050
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: busy with? Right, that's the perfect name for that. And

1051
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: certainly he's been going back and forth with John when

1052
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: me sitting at home, it's going like, Chris, do you

1053
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 2: really want this smoke? We're gonna find out. But there's

1054
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: so much Chris Widman can lose. I'm not gonna say

1055
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: he's gonna lose his career with a loss here, But

1056
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: when you consider he enters this fight having lost four

1057
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: out of five, all four by knockout, pretty much all

1058
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: of them by devastating knockout, and now moving up in division,

1059
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: which is somewhat somewhat can be seen as a desperate

1060
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: move one last chance. Well, because of the lack of

1061
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: depth inite division, he's kind of being putting a really

1062
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: good opportunity here. But look, if he loses, it's over.

1063
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: He's thirty five years old with a name, and we

1064
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: figure out what's next. One.

1065
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at the situation with Luke Rockhold. Now

1066
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: he'd only lost a Blohovich, but he got his jaw broken,

1067
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: so he had to take time out no matter what.

1068
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: And we went over and dissected. If you look at

1069
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: the Luke Rockold at Midwight, I know, making wait for

1070
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: him there was hard. It's what we need more weight classes,

1071
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: Like in reality, there should be like a one ninety

1072
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: five pound weight class, because I think that'd be better

1073
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: for Luke Rockhold. But it doesn't exist to be a

1074
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: bad idea, yeah, but I'm just saying if you were

1075
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: to fit people to their natural space, maybe Chris Wibman

1076
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: would go there too. But the thing about Luke Rocold

1077
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: was you knew that weightcut was killing him. And I

1078
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: know I've heard from Ray long ago that the weight

1079
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: cut is hard on Chris Wiman. I don't know that.

1080
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: Like is yes, if you go up a weight class

1081
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: and you get a win like Anthony Pettis is one

1082
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: seventy right for him? Is that the right weight class?

1083
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: Not really, but he got that huge win over wonder

1084
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: Boy automatically reinvigorated, right, So it's a great thing. So

1085
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: if he goes up there and beats Dominic Ray as

1086
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: Bam like you mentioned title shot, I mean the whole

1087
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: new conversation about him. On the other hand, I don't

1088
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: know that the weight cut was the reason why he

1089
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: was necessarily losing. And Luke Rocold just didn't look like

1090
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: himself at two of five. He looked like a much

1091
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: slower plotting kind of guy. He was flat footed, whereas he.

1092
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: Used to be.

1093
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: He looked great, he looked physically imposing, but he wasn't mobile,

1094
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: and being mobile with his feet was key to everything.

1095
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: At two of five he was kind of flat. So

1096
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm wondering exactly how Chris Wiban's going to look now.

1097
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: On the bad side, Dominic Ray has had super fast

1098
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: hands as a natural at that weight class, right, kind

1099
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: of hes gonna fit real well in that space. On

1100
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: the other hand, Chris Wiban is probably a better wrestler

1101
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: and a sort of a bigger guy in terms of braun.

1102
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is that I'm thinking about

1103
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: who is the underdog in this fight.

1104
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: I think I didn't see the odds, but I think

1105
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 2: it has to be wide.

1106
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: It's wide far, No, not by far, but he is

1107
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: the military.

1108
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: Dom Reis came back down to Earth against Vulcan. I

1109
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: don't think he deserved that division, that decision. It was

1110
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: a close fight and it wasn't a plus performance like

1111
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: we had seen he was. He was rising, dom Res

1112
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: was starting to show you that there's something there. He

1113
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: hit the skids there against Vulcan. But he's got to

1114
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: be a happy Favoritecausere's the thing. I think Wideman and

1115
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 2: Rockcold are such a natural comparison because of the rivalry,

1116
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: because both late in their careers making this move up

1117
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: to two of five to see what can I do here?

1118
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: I think when you look at Rockhold, although he just

1119
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: lost and there's a lot of questions, I think he

1120
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: has that plusibility where I said to myself, Okay, I

1121
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: think he could swim at to a five. I think

1122
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: he could do it. I think too, and I think

1123
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: he has offense. I don't have that feeling for Wideman.

1124
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna be able to really add

1125
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: much to what he can do at to a five.

1126
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. But also again going back to rock Hold, you

1127
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: thought two of five was a so loution to whatever

1128
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: problems he was facing. It's not clear to me that

1129
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: two of five is a solution to the problems that

1130
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: Wyman is facing.

1131
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: Even though he's big. There's deeper water there well.

1132
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: And also again, but Rockle was dying to get to

1133
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: one in five. You think, okay, you lighten the load there,

1134
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: he'll just be more of himself. I think some of

1135
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: that will applyatic Chris Wyman. At the same time, you

1136
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: fight guys who are naturally fast at that weight class.

1137
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a bit of a problem.

1138
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: He has to wrestle. I think his way to it now.

1139
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: If he gets that win, he gets that title shot again.

1140
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: I think it could change a narrative in a number

1141
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: of different ways. Because you lose to John Jones, you

1142
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: can always write that off no big deal.

1143
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: But and if you don't think Don Reyes is on

1144
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: the verge of a title shot and you haven't looked

1145
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: at the rankings in a while, he's an extra in

1146
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: that Toyot Tires commercial. Yeah, you make it to that level.

1147
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: To be honest with you know, jokes aside, that means

1148
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: they have plans.

1149
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: For Hey, Toyo Tires gave me a fresh new set

1150
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: of tires.

1151
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: I hate did you get in the front seat?

1152
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: I did not get Gondo in the front seat. Lastly,

1153
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: but not leastly, you're.

1154
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: Getting monster feedback in your hair. Not to remove the

1155
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: fourth wall, but I can't live like, well.

1156
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the clock. We're just behind. But the

1157
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: point being is no. I but these they give us

1158
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: ear pieces, they're literal hearing aids that don't work.

1159
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm at a yeah, all right, all right,

1160
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: let's keep up.

1161
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: Last thing, but at least we'll go to you first

1162
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: on this one, Brian as well. Olexander Usik part of

1163
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: that Ukrainian front across different weight classes that are tearing

1164
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: people up. He made his move to heavyweight and he

1165
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: was supposed to fight one donk of that fell through

1166
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: the was a named Batrum Tam Carlos Ta and no no,

1167
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: and then it was supposed to be uh Spong. I

1168
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: had him on my show, but then Spunk's cougar gets loose.

1169
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: He gets in trouble for that. He pops positive for STUF,

1170
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: although his most recent boty test came back ling, which

1171
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: is interesting anyway, He gets yanked from the fight. He

1172
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: ends up fighting Chaz Witherspoon destroys him in seven rounds.

1173
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 1: What did you think of Usik at at heavyweight? Because

1174
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: now he's the mandatory WBO challenger for the winner of

1175
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: Ruiz and Joshua two.

1176
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: You really can't take anything from this performance exactly. Look,

1177
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: Chaz Witherspoon is one of those opponents who can do

1178
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: enough to survive, and he did for a while here,

1179
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: but is not impressive. And here's the thing about Usik,

1180
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: He's a Swiss Army knight for this division. He's a

1181
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: potential Kryptonite. He's six three. No, he doesn't have heavyweight power,

1182
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: but he is sort of a bigger weight version of Lomachenko,

1183
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: guy who he's you know, came up in the amateurs

1184
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: with and his friends with. He has the ability to

1185
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: set up his punches and punch from angles and a

1186
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: quickness that you don't often see at heavyweight. This would

1187
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: have been perfect in this DIONE main event to make

1188
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: a big splash, to grab the microphone afterwards and be like, yeah,

1189
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: I want the winner of aj Ruwiz and just this week,

1190
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: Usik could come out and said I want Wilder and

1191
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: I'll all box him for twelve rounds. Problem is he

1192
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: didn't take this platform and look spectacular. Yeah, you gotta

1193
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: stoppage win. Yeah he won every second in the fight.

1194
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah he did a somewhat typical Usik performance, which is

1195
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: take two to three rounds, figure it out, and then

1196
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: walking down with those angles, throw change ups through different

1197
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: speeds and just eventually you saw the damage on Witherspoon's face.

1198
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: I did see a lot of people watch this and go,

1199
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: oh man, that fights sucked. Usik's gonna suck. No way,

1200
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: He's gonna be able to fight these big guys. Look,

1201
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: take a step back and relax on that. This guy

1202
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: is special, this guy has true craft. We are in

1203
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: a division with bangers, big bangers. Tyson Fury certainly is

1204
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 2: a pure boxer with handspeed and can do special things

1205
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: switch and stances and all that. But Usik is as

1206
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: natural and pure as as a boxer as it comes.

1207
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: If he has the toughness and the chin and the backbone, which,

1208
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: by the way, he showed in that World Boxing Super

1209
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: Serious cruiseweight tournament against a Myris Breatus, against the Gasiev

1210
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: big time punchers, he was able to walk through hell

1211
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: in there. He's gonna be a problem for these guys.

1212
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 2: He has the potential to disarm the big names at heavyweight.

1213
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: I know everyone's gonna say, what about the size, what

1214
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: about the chin, let's find out. There was no chance

1215
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: we were gonna find out against the chance.

1216
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: With yeah, did he go out there and wow you? No,

1217
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: he did not go out there and wow you. But

1218
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: people always get late replacement A side expectations wrong. They

1219
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: always think, oh, you're the A side. You're finding a

1220
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: guy who's totally unprepared. You should go in there and

1221
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: just march him down, which sometimes, of course, happens a

1222
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: lot of times. We've seen it over and over with

1223
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: A sides. They're like, I don't know anything about this

1224
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: guy more than I could find on YouTube for a

1225
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: couple of days. I'm gonna be a little bit conservative

1226
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: now I know your point. He typically reacts this way anyway,

1227
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: two to three rounds of fact finding before delivering on

1228
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: what those facts are. But to me, it's like, would

1229
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: it be at all surprising if you find out his

1230
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: training staff said to him, we're gonna be careful in

1231
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: this one. We know we can get the finish, we

1232
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: know we can get the win. There is no need

1233
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: to press the gas. And as a consequence, they're like, oh,

1234
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: we didn't look all that great. He didn't look all

1235
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: that great. I think by design he was designed because

1236
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: what would be the worst case outcome to lose. That

1237
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: would be the one you have.

1238
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 2: To Let's give another outcome, say goes in there and

1239
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: destroys Witherspoon and shows every craft and tool in the book.

1240
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: If you're those big name heavyweights, I know you mentioned

1241
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: he's in line to face the winner, but the big

1242
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: way he name heavyweights are not going to be looking

1243
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: to fight him. This is almost perfect case scenario. The

1244
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: kind of move the chains and here's the deal with

1245
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: it was sick. He's only gonna look great when you

1246
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: come after him. Tony Bell, you did in that last

1247
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: cruiserweight fight that was on his own, USA got a

1248
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: sensational knockout that he really took a couple rounds to

1249
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: set up.

1250
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: He's a bit like checkly gonna.

1251
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 2: Happen if you come after him. So if he wins

1252
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: these big fights against the heavyweights, it's not gonna be spectacular.

1253
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 2: It's gonna be technical, but it's going to be brilliant.

1254
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: Let's see if he.

1255
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, he got seven or six and

1256
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: some change rounds of heavyweight activity, which I think he

1257
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: probably said, Hey, I now got some experience in this

1258
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: weight class. I'm good to go. All right, with that

1259
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: out of the way, it's time now for or you

1260
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: asked the questions stime for dms from dons. How are

1261
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: your dms these days?

1262
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: Very clean? I'm a happily married man. I really have

1263
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: nothing to say about that. I've asked Luke Rockol about it.

1264
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: Won't show me the dms. I've asked Ryan Garcia about it.

1265
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: You know who did show me His DMS was Colby Covington. Well, no, no, no,

1266
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: it's not about the girls. Dude. You might realize how

1267
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: many you should look at his this is true story.

1268
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: I looked at his DMS. It was like death threat

1269
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: after death threat, all the way down.

1270
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: Think Donald Tenimony.

1271
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: Uh, well this was pre Maga. Well this was this

1272
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: was after a braziliar, a filthy dump pre you know

1273
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: Don in the Maga hat. Yeah, it's like a lot

1274
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: of angry Portuguese in his DMS. Bro it was it

1275
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: was wild, all right. This comes to us first, I

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Speaker 1: think from Melanie Darling. Yep, here we are Brian Campbell

1277
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Speaker 1: a concept for fun. The UFC doesnt all women's fight night.

1278
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: Who would you want for the main card? Which championship

1279
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: fights would you want to see? Any active female fighters

1280
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: currently in the UFC is up for this fem F

1281
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: This is interesting, like, why don't you just watching Victim?

1282
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, why don't you all right this idea? I

1283
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: think it's progressively time. I don't think it would be

1284
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: gimmick or cheesy. We certainly have multiple divisions in UFC,

1285
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: We've got great names. There's plenty of fights we want

1286
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: to see. This wouldn't come off as one of those

1287
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: like WWE, let's make good and have a nice public moment.

1288
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: I think they do this, and I think I need

1289
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: noon as Chevchenko three in the main event at bantam.

1290
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: I'd love to have JJ and a one to fifteen

1291
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: title fight in the comin Zongweili. You free, You're free,

1292
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: all right? Where else do we go from there?

1293
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: Well?

1294
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: Your head? You know how I want to fill out

1295
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: the card.

1296
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: You know what, if you're going to do that, I

1297
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: would feel like you'd have to have ROWSI on the card.

1298
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: You gotta fighting, hold on, you got to pay the

1299
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: mighty to come back. What if it's Gina Kurana, she

1300
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: would take that fight. Hey, yeah, exactly, payer the Mighty

1301
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: to come back. It's like the person who ushered all

1302
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: this in to be a part of a one night

1303
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: kind of only thing to as a as a celebration

1304
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: of women's MMA. You don't think they could figure out

1305
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: a way to do that.

1306
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: Who do you think fights first? Ronda Rowsei or.

1307
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: Travis Rowsei, Travis Brown? Uh, Ronda, her services are more

1308
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: in demand.

1309
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. Right, you would need a name

1310
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: to put on there, like you're not gonna get Cyborg back,

1311
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: but you would need sort of traction. Would have to

1312
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: She's the best one.

1313
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, a Nuna's chef, take all the champions. Basically you

1314
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: have three of those and then you have to fill

1315
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: it out with some other interesting ones. I'm not sure.

1316
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: I mean there's plenty of great fights.

1317
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: Does our inability to answer this question make a sexist?

1318
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: No? We just supported It's not like I said, suffrage,

1319
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 2: good good, good lord.

1320
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: I mean come on, and the suffrage of women.

1321
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can be on this card and once you

1322
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 2: serve Lucas sandwich, Like, where are.

1323
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: You going with this? Yeah? We just but we can't

1324
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: name anything.

1325
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: I could name plenty of look at the one fifteen

1326
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: top ten. I mean you know it can be tas.

1327
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: Are not inspired choices? All right, we move on. This

1328
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: goes to cam Rouse ninety three. What do the UFC

1329
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: do with Francis? Because what DC and Stepe are scheduled?

1330
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: And even Evan after the fight? What the fuck? After

1331
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: the fight he would still have to wait for the

1332
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: winner to recover. And what happens to the belt if

1333
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: DC wins and retires as champ? I don't know did

1334
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: he mean, does this autocorrect? Did he mean even after

1335
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: the fight you have to wait to recover? Yes, okay.

1336
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: He's trying to say, do you keep Frank in the

1337
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: bullpen to keep him fresh because he has worked himself

1338
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: into another title shot, or do you keep him busy

1339
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: and against two? And the answer is Derek Lewis because

1340
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: the first fight never really win.

1341
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Now, the argument would be to counter that,

1342
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: if I could play Devil's advocate, you'd be killing off

1343
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: a contender.

1344
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: Lewis is, if we're really being honest, no longer a

1345
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 2: title contender.

1346
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a bold clam Brian Campbell, I mean it's

1347
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: true he came back from Jamaica.

1348
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: Just I'm ready, all right, you'd have to give on

1349
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: gana quasi main event title money and just say, okay,

1350
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: we're gonna keep you busy here, go out improve what

1351
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: you didn't prove the first time.

1352
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: So I think if DC wins then gives the title up.

1353
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: I think you do the steep A France's rematch. That

1354
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: is true, that that would be because because yes, you

1355
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: would still favorite step A probably, But Francis is also

1356
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: a different fighter since then. I think he's recovered to

1357
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: a degree. But you're right, any of those mishaps against

1358
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: Lewis or not mishaps, but the losses against well, okay,

1359
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: it was a mishap against Lewis, but Lewis or Steve Pennus, we're.

1360
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: J yester, Now was it coming off of loss?

1361
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't he lose to Francis? Didn't lose the big

1362
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: Francis anyway, all right, this is from in my eighty two.

1363
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: What should be JJ centered fighters like Cron and Brian

1364
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Ortega focus on improving their striking or takedowns.

1365
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: Brian Campbell both would be ideal. No.

1366
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: No, Brian Campbell thinks that Cron Grace is a finished

1367
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: product who has nothing more.

1368
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: Showed you a big bag. He showed you I'm gonna.

1369
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: Get That's great. That's not how you win fight. It's

1370
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: quite evidently.

1371
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: Well, he's an artist. He's not really a fighter. I mean,

1372
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: he's a gracie, you know what I mean. He's probably

1373
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 2: outserfing right now. You don't care what you think.

1374
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Conry Gray is getting his black belt, by the way,

1375
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: But I mean, look.

1376
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: You can argue in both directions. I would want a

1377
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: god to be able to strike, and I think you

1378
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 2: give or take a lot of credit. He evolved quickly

1379
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: in that when we had those original questions of well,

1380
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: you're fantastic on the ground, Well, you're training halle Berry

1381
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: for a movie off side. You know, you know I'm

1382
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: going with that. But can can And he's come back

1383
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: and he's proved I can smash it with my fists,

1384
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: and I might.

1385
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: I might be on the sete fuck out. You are

1386
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: a disturbed individual. Well, Brian, don't take a has good striking.

1387
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: Now he has, We're like, oh, we lost a Max. Okay,

1388
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: we lost a Max for crying out loud. Max is

1389
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: a very good striker. What she knows about Brown Don't

1390
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: take a striking is when it's offensive, it's good. It's

1391
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: just that there's defensive issues to it. But that typically happens.

1392
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell as just as they mature, like as they

1393
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: get better. You'll notice we talked about you want to

1394
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: get you check and dissected, like she's she was in

1395
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: a comp striker before she got to the UFC. But

1396
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: to me, she has a little bit more defensive sensibility.

1397
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: She gets hit way less than she hands out punishment.

1398
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: And so to me, it's like, or take us already

1399
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: on the path, Like, just give him time, give him

1400
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: the right matchmaking. This one against chance On Jung is phenomenal. Right, Uh,

1401
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: his defense should come along if he keeps going the

1402
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: way he's going for Crone, It's like it's the Ryan

1403
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: Hall question again. It's like, well, Ryan Hall, by the

1404
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: way he does train wrestling, actually ended a freestyle tournament

1405
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: in Canada years ago. But the key for that is

1406
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: he basically said himself, Look, I'm not gonna out wrestle

1407
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: these dogs at one forty five. I'm basically not. So

1408
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: he's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna find unorthodox entries

1409
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: which set me up for my kind of submissions. And

1410
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: then we're on the feet. I'm gonna play distance and

1411
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you wary of me at all times

1412
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: through contact and I'm gonna set you on fire at

1413
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: kickboxing range. I don't know what Krone needs to do.

1414
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: It's a question of how he wants to fight. If

1415
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: you think he can build on the striking, and I

1416
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: think he can build on the striking, that's the way

1417
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: to go.

1418
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: Chrone could. If he can work the striking thing out,

1419
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 2: he can begin to lull people where they're gonna go striker.

1420
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: You're misinterpreting me. My only argument about Crone is if

1421
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: he decides to not do anything, his limits are pretty noable.

1422
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: If he decides to do something, he can be incredibly.

1423
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: He can be a championship contender.

1424
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 2: And by the way, go back and watch Ortega Holloway.

1425
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: I know Brian Ortega's face fell apart, and I know

1426
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: Max was willing to walk through hell with him. Ortego

1427
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: was coming on with the hands, he was coming up.

1428
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: In the third round, Yes, coming on in the fourth

1429
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: round though, he was just getting eaten alive. But in

1430
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: that third round, you're right, he was turning back. He

1431
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: arguably lost that round Max did. But again it's a

1432
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: question of what do they need to improve. Well, you

1433
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: can improve everything, but you have a limited amount of

1434
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: time and you have to figure out what you want

1435
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: to do. The question is how do you want to fight?

1436
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: How do you want to fight? And then make some choices.

1437
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: All right, this comes to us from spatial analysis Brian Campbell.

1438
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: Do you think a UFC or any other promotion has

1439
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: the obligation to step in and stop the fight? Well,

1440
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this on odds and ends. We'll do

1441
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: it now. Step in and stop the fight when the

1442
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: referee is clearly unable to see or understand the circumstances

1443
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: and inside the case. Let me set this up, if

1444
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: I may so. I looked this up. I think the

1445
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: guy's name was Andrew glenn Is the referee. They're talking

1446
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: about the Mike Davis Thomas Gifford fight, which took place

1447
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: on the prelimbs of the UFC Tampa card. If you

1448
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: guys didn't see, here's how it went. Mike Davis beat

1449
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: Thomas Gifford from pillar to post in all three round.

1450
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: It took about three minutes for the announcers and everyone

1451
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: watching at home to realize that this was going to

1452
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: end badly. This is completely one sided, Dave, and this

1453
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 2: is lighting him.

1454
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: Up at Will and Trevor Whitman made a good observation,

1455
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: which is that when you get hit and it looks

1456
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: like you have a loose neck where it pops like that,

1457
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: that's when the ones are really landing. Michael Bisping, to

1458
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: his credit, the entire time, was alarmed by the whole thing.

1459
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: That referee Andrew Glenn was supposed to out if he

1460
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: knows Brian Cambill supposed to referee later in the night

1461
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: and got pulled because of what a bad job he did.

1462
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: It was unconscionable. I have a lot of ideas about

1463
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: this one. I'll let you go first.

1464
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, this look one thing boxing. Boxing's got a

1465
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: lot of problems and people are getting hurt left and right.

1466
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: We're gona talk about on the show, and we just

1467
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: had a couple of deaths recently. But boxing's starting to

1468
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: realize a little bit more. You see much more towels

1469
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: being thrown in boxing than you do an MMA, and

1470
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: you see much more. Hey, I know you're not on

1471
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: the verge of getting stopped here, but we're gonna jump

1472
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: in and stop it. You've taken too much punishment. I

1473
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: don't see that at MMA into MMA's I guess credit

1474
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: or luck that obviously doesn't have the same in terms

1475
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: of long term really bad situations of debts in the

1476
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: cage or right after, but moments like this are gonna

1477
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: get us closer to it, and you not only have

1478
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: to rag on the reft on the coach for continuing.

1479
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: So here's the deal. Gifford show insane Heart, And the

1480
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: thing was he would get lit up with five six

1481
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: punch combinations in which you're thinking that would knock out

1482
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: anybody else, and then he'd almost look like he was

1483
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: back in, not back in the fight, almost winning it,

1484
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: but back in attempting some kind of takedown or some

1485
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: comment submission, which unfortunately gave him more life. Yes, I

1486
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: feel like the commission needs to step in in those

1487
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: type of moments. If the referee is either not noticing

1488
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: or doesn't have or doesn't isn't perceiving what we're watching

1489
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: at home, there needs to be an adult in the room.

1490
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: We're seeing this in boxing. I don't know if you

1491
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: saw the first Deontay Wilder Louis Ortiz fight they're gonna

1492
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: be rematching November twenty third. One of the big issues

1493
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: in that fight was after Wilder got knocked around in

1494
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: round seven, and almost dropped and stopped. They stopped the

1495
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: start of round day and did a health check on him,

1496
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: and it took about thirty seconds. The doctor came in,

1497
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: crowds booing saying what do you do? And you're giving

1498
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: the bigger name fight or a chance to recover. But

1499
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: that was a New York Commission changed to the rules

1500
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: so they didn't have another Magamet situation where where you

1501
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: have you know, some real tragedies in the ring. I

1502
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: think it's time to u I don't think that ruins

1503
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: the sport or takes from it when it's so obvious

1504
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: that someone's one side and is not going to win

1505
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: this fight.

1506
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: Here is where we are on this one, and this

1507
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: is the thing that everyone needs to wake up to.

1508
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: We are in a place where a guy like this

1509
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: can fight in the UFC. The commentator knows it's messed up,

1510
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: by the way, it wasn't just Michael Bess being it

1511
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: was Trevor Whitman as well. The audience at home knows

1512
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: it's messed up. The commission knows it's messed up because

1513
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: they removed the referee from ever being involved in that

1514
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: fight night again, so even they clearly were alarmed by

1515
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: his behavior, and yet I've not spoken to Mark Montoya.

1516
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get him on my radio show today.

1517
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes. They didn't do anything, his father,

1518
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. The fighter himself. I don't know what

1519
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: you expect, which all tells you one thing. Someone's going

1520
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: to have to die before anything changes. And I hate

1521
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: to put it in those terms, but you cannot rationally

1522
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: convince these coaches or anybody else who is involved in

1523
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: one of these situations, anyone wrong. You go back to

1524
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: the Raquel Pennington situation. She literally turns to her corner

1525
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: and says, I quit, I'm done right, and they put

1526
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: her back out there. She gets her nose broken, and

1527
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: then she loses. And then they go on a media

1528
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: tour right after that and say, no, no, no, we

1529
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: understand the fighter better. If you understand the fighter better,

1530
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: you are actually, in some ways a worse position because

1531
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: you have this irrational belief in their upside. You were like,

1532
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: and you love a person so much, you think so

1533
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: highly of them, you cannot soberly clearly, you cannot soberly

1534
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: assess what they're capable of doing. Now, Mark Montoya, is

1535
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: I have such high respect for him. I hope to

1536
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: get a chance to talk to him later.

1537
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: This is the point.

1538
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: I've talked to Brandon Gibson about this too. There's a

1539
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: couple he wants back. You talk to Greg Jackson. There's

1540
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: a couple of times they didn't stop a fight. They

1541
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: want one back. I suspect over time Mark Montoya will

1542
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: come to that because he's smart and he's rational. This

1543
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: is the other thing to consider, Brian. It's not bad

1544
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: coaches who are doing this, it's the very best ones.

1545
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: Brandon Gibson is one of our very best coaches. Mark

1546
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: Montoya is one of our very best coaches. If even

1547
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: they aren't doing this, what that tells you is there

1548
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: is a massive, massive culture problem that we have that

1549
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: will not be remedied until tragedy strikes. That is exactly

1550
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: where we arecome.

1551
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: Like fathers, and in boxing you have a lot of

1552
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: actual father son combinations, and the fathers can be the

1553
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: worst advocates for their own son because it's such a macho,

1554
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, mindset, and so of no he can do this,

1555
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 2: But it is normal in boxing for the commissioner to

1556
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 2: jump on the apron between rounds overrule the referee and

1557
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 2: wave off the fight. I don't ever see that.

1558
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the other problem too. I was going back

1559
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: and listening to some of the instructions that the referee

1560
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: was giving. There was one time where Gifford was getting

1561
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: banged on and I remember the referee saying get out

1562
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: of there. But actually, that's not what you're supposed to

1563
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: be saying. You're supposed to be saying improve your situation

1564
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: or improve your position. You don't actually have to flee

1565
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: the situation. He was totally out of his debts.

1566
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: What did they take? One hundred and fifty seven strikes?

1567
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: And here's the other part. They kept saying, well, if

1568
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: he gets them on the ground, he's much better. Not really.

1569
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: Mike Davis knee on belly, which is like the boy

1570
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: Derek in the backleltay. This neon belly is what you

1571
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: do to white belts to show up day one. And

1572
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: then he was elbowing him from n on belly. Dude,

1573
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: that is like big brother, like I'm gonna steal your

1574
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: girlfriend at the prom move And then in the end

1575
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: when he was banging on the third round, he had

1576
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: him in leg drag. Leg drag is like please put

1577
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: me inside control because I have no control what's happening

1578
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: over my body. Your legs go one way, your shoulders

1579
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: go the other. He had him in leg drag like

1580
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: there was. It'd be one thing. If he was taken

1581
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: to the ground, Brian, and then taking the back, you'd

1582
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: be like, all right, well, I mean there's something there.

1583
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: He was getting dominated everywhere, everywhere. It was a complete

1584
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: and total failure of everyone.

1585
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: And look, Darren Elkins wouldn't have a career a few

1586
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: stop fights early, right, there are moments where a guy

1587
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: usually though a slugger. That's the thing, Luke. Usually it's

1588
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: a slugger that you give leeway when he's getting dominated

1589
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: because you're like, look, one punch can change everything. I

1590
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: don't think it's that same situation with a submission expert.

1591
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: I don't think like it's not as easy to just land. No.

1592
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: Exhibitions are hard to do. It's why there's so few

1593
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: of them.

1594
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: So it's not you know, anyone that wants to argue, well,

1595
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 2: you can't have comfort behind dramatic wins. If you police

1596
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: fights this way, well, you also can have long careers

1597
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: or life. And if we had our own MKA DCC tournament,

1598
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: I think king erstap in.

1599
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: You he might. I'm old and rail and tired. But

1600
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: the point being is, lastly, on this, this is not

1601
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: somebody being like, oh well, if the best coaches are

1602
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: doing this, then they maybe they're not the best coaches. No, no, no,

1603
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: This is like weight cutting. It's pervasive at all levels

1604
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: of the game, to the point where the best coaches,

1605
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: and Mark Montoya is among our very best, are still

1606
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: not immune from this. That that's really the consideration. And

1607
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: then lastly, to go back and listen to what he's

1608
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: screaming to is Thomas Gifford. Gifford wasn't listening to any

1609
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: of it. It's like your guys getting beat up. He's

1610
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: getting dominated, and he's getting dominated in the own scenario

1611
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: where's supposed to be good at and he's not listening.

1612
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: It's like if you don't stop it, then I don't know.

1613
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what's time. I don't know what's tyme.

1614
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: Just real quick, did Mike Davis look great or just

1615
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 2: favorable match making? Dude?

1616
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: He took that five on five days. Notice he looked awesome? Yeah?

1617
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: All right. Denny Bond fan Double Oh seven says, what

1618
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: is the definition of a donk. I find myself using it,

1619
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: but would like to know it's meaning. What do you

1620
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: think it means?

1621
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 5: I know what I mean, don Yes, it comes from no,

1622
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 5: it comes from no. I know you're katarian, So I

1623
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 5: don't know what you call katarian? Is that a word

1624
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 5: you grew up in bro in Doha? Yes, but I'm

1625
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 5: not katarian If that's even a word, what are you? Romulander?

1626
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: Come on, guitar hero. Uh So, if you ever played poker,

1627
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: you get these guys who show up to the table

1628
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: and for example, they might go all in and get lucky,

1629
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: but then they ruin the shoe. Uh, they're called they're

1630
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: called donks, right, and then you get these tournaments with

1631
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: full of them. They're called donkuments. It's short for donkey

1632
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: and but anay, I got it from these guys called

1633
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: the sports Donkeys in Washington.

1634
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: D C.

1635
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: They're my like my radio idols are still on, and

1636
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: they essentially introduced me to the word, and I picked

1637
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: it up. And here we are all the donk the

1638
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: donks are so.

1639
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 2: There we go.

1640
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: All right, So now it's time for here's the best part.

1641
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: Now is the time on the show where we do

1642
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: slapstick which is Brian Campbell's adorning contribution.

1643
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: This is where Brian scours the globe for the best

1644
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: highlights that you haven't.

1645
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: By the way, I think it looks stupid when I

1646
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: look this way, So I'm gonna look at this one

1647
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: all right, Luke, we.

1648
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: Want to find out have you seen this ship? And

1649
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna start in boxing this week Friday night, Hartford, Connecticut,

1650
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 2: my backyard, just like Muhammad Ali, Luke, they called him

1651
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 2: Cassius Cheney. That is first round ko improves to seventeen

1652
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: and oh good look and unbeaten heavyweight promoted by main events.

1653
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: But did you see the way that fellow went down.

1654
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: And the ghost from his head moved like a bobblehead

1655
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: like this right?

1656
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: He has taken his soul, Luke, watch this again if

1657
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 2: j if you have that back there on a replay

1658
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: unless we uh, how's that production?

1659
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 1: By the way, it aired on Fight Pass too, that's cool.

1660
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Chad Dawson the main event, he uh there ago,

1661
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 2: here you go.

1662
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: He's got a double jab right pop pop bang.

1663
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: Oh night at the Rocksbury right there to see him

1664
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: shake the little harle sh Yeah, he did the old

1665
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: Harlem shake.

1666
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: Wow, you know what we're up here and making dude's

1667
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: getting viciously kaot and after talking about people not throwing

1668
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: in the towel, Yeah, we're no worse. We are terrible people.

1669
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, hey, luke, let's talk about what

1670
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: protect yourself at all times is the thing.

1671
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: Let's go to Belatar do this referee, dude, this referee.

1672
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: Did you see this?

1673
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 2: Because this is Jay Jordan, isn't she a John Kavanaugh product?

1674
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 2: And this is her kickboxing debut. Belatour Kickboxing watched the referee.

1675
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 2: It looks like this looks like Floyd Mayweather Victor T's

1676
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna shake hands.

1677
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: No, the referee gets in the way. He's to the

1678
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: side there, but I think he was distracting.

1679
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: He caused that there's no question about it, you do

1680
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: have to protect yourself all the times. But he gave

1681
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: the illusion that we're gonna we're gonna separate and she

1682
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 2: pays the price. There, good looking ko though for Jade there.

1683
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: No, it was the John Kavanaugh person, the one who

1684
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: wanted the person.

1685
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 2: Who won, who won. By the way, Belatour Kickboxing, they

1686
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 2: give you the finishes. This is like Bob Kraft at

1687
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: the massage Parliament. This is this is not bad? Right?

1688
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: Are they gonna change the name to Orchids of Asia? Kickboxing?

1689
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: Wow? Hey, Luke, Halloween's coming up number three. Have you

1690
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: seen this ship? Here's the winner already. We're not even

1691
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: not the thirty first winner of best that it is.

1692
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: Check that. Oh my god, this is like ghetto d'orfon golf.

1693
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to be thirty five rover and understand

1694
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: the reference. But Luke, check that out. How do you

1695
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: like that?

1696
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: I used to uh and when I was in the

1697
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: Marine Corps, they would have outhouses in twenty nine palms

1698
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: out in the desert, the Bobby Desert, and they would

1699
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: make you use it. You couldn't actually use it in

1700
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: the field in certain scenarios.

1701
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: The sweat.

1702
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: You would lose fifteen pounds in that thing because you

1703
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: have to wear all your gear on to go.

1704
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: You once went to Bonnaroo, you know, the outdoor festival

1705
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 2: in tw you went to oh yeah, two thousand and five.

1706
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: I wonder, you're mentally disturbing, And I didn't want to

1707
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 2: drop a Dusco was like a three thousand degrees in

1708
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: the thing, so I waited till the last day. Yeah,

1709
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: I lost some pounds there. That was a really weird

1710
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 2: story to share one.

1711
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you must have had some blood in your stool too,

1712
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: that was really gross. All right, Hey, let's keep.

1713
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: The train rolling here on. Have you seen this ship?

1714
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 4: Oh this from two weeks ago in Australia, remember of

1715
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 4: eve Gozali from left did the did the fake high

1716
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 4: five to open the fight and then went in for

1717
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 4: the Inminario Road. Look at Nadiacosam doing the high five.

1718
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 2: Bags is though they actually they need to pay for

1719
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: it right there.

1720
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, she does not she needs to

1721
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: go to a victim.

1722
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: But instant Karmar watched this.

1723
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: They actually touch and then she kicks.

1724
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 2: So it wasn't a fake but she did. It's not

1725
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 2: as dirty though. That's dirty. That's dirty.

1726
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: I would say it's it's dirty, but it's on the

1727
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: border line.

1728
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 2: The second round, by the way, she came out and

1729
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 2: tried the same thing again, but her opponent, her opponent

1730
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 2: who's who's came right there put up her hands.

1731
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, this is one of those fights where

1732
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: it was like the the UFC Tampa card was better

1733
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: than this core Like Australia has Robert Whitaker and then

1734
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: it's got.

1735
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: Hey I follow not even cost him on Instagram.

1736
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: That's great, but I don't know that you have.

1737
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 2: Out there, right all right? Hey, next last one here, Luke,

1738
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: you know what's wrong with you? You know that one

1739
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 2: hit wonder by a soft cell. You know that's tainted love. Yeah, yeah,

1740
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: well this is going to remind you of that is

1741
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: is tainted. It is also the keyword here might be taint. Luke.

1742
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to protect yourself at all times. You

1743
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 2: want to prepare for anything that the streets. Oh my god, Luke,

1744
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: you're ready for You never know what's gonna happen.

1745
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: This is a metaphor for me and my life in

1746
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: my thirties.

1747
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: Luke, you got to be prepared for anything in life.

1748
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: People can roll you up, try to change your oil.

1749
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: That is how you get tough for it. Right.

1750
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't. I mean he didn't roll up

1751
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: for it. I mean like, that wasn't a surprise attack.

1752
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: He was like, come out, Oh he's ready.

1753
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going to strengthen my grundle. This is

1754
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 2: straight up what he's doing.

1755
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm at me, bro, These people are not aren't these

1756
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: guys eunuchs.

1757
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: I don't. It looks like a Keith fan hormone case.

1758
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: It's all slide of hand.

1759
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 2: But how do you come back from this?

1760
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: Luke?

1761
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: Do you know what that must feel like?

1762
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: Dude? This is me asking girls out when I was

1763
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: in high school. It's like Joe Son, Wow, it went

1764
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: about it went about that, about that?

1765
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: Well? Wow, hello Marietta, Right.

1766
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: Luke, I don't want to hear it bartleby the scrivener

1767
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: part in your hair down the middle like a nineteenth

1768
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 1: century bank teller. Yeah, man, is that all we have?

1769
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: Is all we have? Have you seen that ship? That is?

1770
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: I actually not seen that. By the way, where are

1771
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: the beers you promised?

1772
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm just coming back. Do you know how much

1773
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 2: Red Strape I drink? So good? By the way, Red

1774
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: Strape is the.

1775
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: Worst And I told this to jama Is it the

1776
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: worst best beer?

1777
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: It's the worst beer ever to have anywhere but Jamaica.

1778
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 2: And it's so damn good.

1779
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: Now does it taste better in Jamaica? Because the Irish

1780
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: are always like Guinness is really good, which it's not,

1781
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: but it is better in Ireland. That part is true.

1782
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 2: I've done like a lot of people have in the past.

1783
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: You do. You have vacation in Jamaica. You're a drunken

1784
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: red stripe all week like there's gonna be my beer.

1785
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna love it. Then you go home and it's

1786
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: probably been bottled in like New York State, and you

1787
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: take a drink and it tastes like somebody pisted right,

1788
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 2: how many so fantastic? Ten am every morning on the lazy.

1789
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: This because when I think red stripe, I think I

1790
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: think red hook in Brooklyn, red stripe.

1791
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: So you sit on the lazy River at the resort

1792
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: at Matigo Bay. They have a bar on the lazy

1793
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 2: red your car so I'm slidding by a ten am,

1794
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 2: grabbing grabbing a red strip.

1795
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: Your cartman on the lazy river out there, except you're drinking.

1796
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: That's like your ca right. I don't know where you're

1797
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: going with, do you watch outh pork?

1798
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: I gave it up after the original run. You know

1799
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 2: it got quiit drugs, It got.

1800
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: Better, It got better. Yeah, your that's your all right? Dan,

1801
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: I believe we have one more thing to do, which

1802
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna do the other thing on but okay, odds

1803
01:11:59,160 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: and ends. What you got for me?

1804
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? It is relevant. We talked earlier, it's funny that

1805
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: we talked about the realistic tragedies in these combat sports,

1806
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: specifically boxing with the head injuries. And then of course

1807
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 2: we're playing, like you said, have you seen this ship

1808
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: and we're celebrating knockouts. But this weekend we had another

1809
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: one with Jason Day, a boxer on his own who

1810
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: ends up in a coma, and uh, it's you don't

1811
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 2: know what to do in this spot. Look to be

1812
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 2: really honest, right as a journalist, as a pundent, as

1813
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: a fan. We just had two deaths in the ring

1814
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 2: just recently in the same state, in the same state,

1815
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 2: in the same you know week basically, and a lot

1816
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: of people criticize, like when these boxers get hurt and

1817
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: they and they they don't die, but they're you know,

1818
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: they're compromised for life, that we forget about them. And

1819
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 2: I think we do, Luke, And I think we do

1820
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: that out of as like a defense, because if we're

1821
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 2: being real here, it's hard to recover from this. We

1822
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: know the realities as a fan just as much as

1823
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: they know the realities and the dangers as competitors, and

1824
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 2: there's no right answer whenever this happens. There's no fix,

1825
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 2: there's no anything, because this is the sport that we watch,

1826
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 2: and we watch it because we love the violence. We

1827
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: want to go so close to the fire and enjoy it.

1828
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: We pray for these Fight of the Year candidates. We

1829
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 2: celebrate these one punch knockouts, and we celebrate these wars

1830
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 2: over twelve rounds, and then it gets a little too

1831
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 2: far and it comes hard to deal with. And I

1832
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 2: just want to give you a quick story. I was

1833
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 2: in the on the set in La PBC face to

1834
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 2: face Deonte Wild Lewis Ortiz are gonna have their big

1835
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 2: heavyweight rematch in November. And while they're arguing back and forth,

1836
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, while there's like I said it before, I'll

1837
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 2: say it again. I know it's controversial, but I'm prepared

1838
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 2: to kill a man in a ring. And then Louis

1839
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 2: Ortize comes back and he's like, I'm prepared to die

1840
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 2: in the ring in this rematch. And it's getting hot

1841
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: and it's getting heavy, and he said, They're like, yeah, man,

1842
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 2: we gotta fight. We got a war, and they're like,

1843
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 2: I promise, somebody's getting knocked out. And then I go

1844
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 2: and check my phone and see this and right after

1845
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: that's done, and it's sobering, and I don't have the

1846
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: answer on this. It doesn't make it and nothing ever

1847
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 2: makes it easier. There's no way that you justify what

1848
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 2: we do. Yet we watch and we cover and we

1849
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 2: report on this, and we make a living off this,

1850
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 2: and so do the fighters, and it sucks.

1851
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: I think if you're a fan, you have to be

1852
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: honest with yourself and you say, I accept that I

1853
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: watch something that causes people's death and ruins their lives.

1854
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: You have to say that because it predominantly doesn't right,

1855
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: not most people die or something, although there is an

1856
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: enormous amount of destruction that it causes to people's lives,

1857
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: but their personal life and may ruin their ability to

1858
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: have a financial future, depending some in riches. But you

1859
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: have to just say that because if you're in denial

1860
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: and you say, well, I don't like that part of it,

1861
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: well nobody likes that part of it. But if you're

1862
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: willing to say I will watch it not because of this,

1863
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: but in spite of it, you're still complicit. You are

1864
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: complicit in there to a degree in some of this.

1865
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,879
Speaker 1: It's why you have to force to the best ability

1866
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: you can safety protocols and fair matchmaking and holding people

1867
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,839
Speaker 1: in power to account and not accepting what promoters just say.

1868
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: To say, you gotta have short memories too, and it's unfortunate.

1869
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 2: You have to kind of yeah, well these or if

1870
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 2: you focused on it, you wouldn't want to watch the

1871
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: same way.

1872
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: Right, if you really focus on the other part Two

1873
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: is you know you mentioned those two deaths like that.

1874
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: They're obviously tragic, but we also try to put safety

1875
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: protocols and like you know, you can't turn pro to

1876
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: your eighteen, which I think benefits. But you look at

1877
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: like high school football. You got kids out there dying

1878
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: every year from just you know, utterly preventable conditions like

1879
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: heat exhaustion or heat stroke. You had that kid, Jordan

1880
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: McNair out of the University of Maryland, you know, just

1881
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: utter malfeasans and negligence on the part of the coaching set.

1882
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: He just died. But it doesn't, it doesn't. I mean,

1883
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: this is a brain that this is a game which,

1884
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: by the way, you play at the pewee level that

1885
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: causes an enormous amount of brain trauma. You just have

1886
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: to say I'm okay with it. And once you begin

1887
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: to do that. It should you should feel something when

1888
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 1: you say that, and it should make you want obviously

1889
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: less of that to happen, and to be really kind

1890
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: of righteous about people throwing the towel about what what

1891
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: commissions are doing because you can't save everyone. But like

1892
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: the idea that we couldn't do a better job, I

1893
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: mean we quite we quite clearly can do a better job.

1894
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: But I think I've got to a point where I'm like,

1895
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: we're all hypocritical in this. Yeah, yeah, we're cheering for that.

1896
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: We're chearing to get so close to that fire. And

1897
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: that's the goods, that's the great stuff. I mean, I

1898
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 2: love the ex's and all that. I love the sweet science,

1899
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 2: but it's the wars. It's the drama. It's coming back

1900
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: from something like That's what that's the catinet for us.

1901
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: That's why I always say it's like, dude, I mean,

1902
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: we recruit athletes, we make them train athletically, we put rules,

1903
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: we put best practices, we put science behind it. But

1904
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: fighting is not a sport. It is not a sport.

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Speaker 1: It is fighting is something that happens across the animal kingdom.

1906
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Speaker 1: For territorial rights, for mating rights, we have removed it

1907
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Speaker 1: from that situation. And then what we have done is

1908
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: we have made it out of entertainment and then we

1909
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Speaker 1: put some safety parameters on it. But at its core,

1910
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Speaker 1: this is something that species do for survival, for supremacy

1911
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Speaker 1: without really concerner or thought about the implications of it.

1912
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Speaker 2: And look, this isn't the first time we've had this debate.

1913
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Speaker 2: Is the first time we've had a near death or

1914
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Speaker 2: something scary, but it it.

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Speaker 1: Just you have to understand what it is like if

1916
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Speaker 1: you have a wild tiger in your house, you had

1917
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Speaker 1: to understand what that is, not a cat.

1918
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Speaker 2: And by the way, it is true the fighters, they

1919
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 2: do get forgotten about the ones that that either die

1920
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Speaker 2: or or survived, but are never the same and we

1921
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Speaker 2: move on to the next fight and that's.

1922
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Speaker 1: The next week. You'll do have you seen this ship?

1923
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Speaker 2: And I'll be forgett about it. By the way, I

1924
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Speaker 2: don't want to go to the whole show without mentioning this.

1925
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Speaker 2: Uh the accident for Errol Spence Junior, the unified well

1926
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Speaker 2: champion who flips his car in Dallas at three am,

1927
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Speaker 2: gets ejected from the vehicle and miraculously comes out with

1928
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Speaker 2: what no broken bones and was in you know, was

1929
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Speaker 2: in uh, not.

1930
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Speaker 1: Critical condition, but was was you know, it was it

1931
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Speaker 1: was serious.

1932
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Speaker 2: He was in a serious condition. And you know, he

1933
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Speaker 2: hasn't spoken publicly yet PBC put out a statement, but

1934
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Speaker 2: it's a miracle that he survived. When you watch that

1935
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Speaker 2: the footage of his car flipping, it's insane and it's

1936
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Speaker 2: almost there's an argument being made that because he wasn't

1937
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Speaker 2: wearing a seatbel that actually saved his life because he

1938
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 2: was ejected and wasn't involved in the multiple crazy spins

1939
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: all things considered. And I don't know, you know, I

1940
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Speaker 2: don't I haven't seen the investigation and was there drinking,

1941
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't know anything like that. But this was a

1942
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 2: miracle that he's going to be able to.

1943
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Speaker 1: Uh if you watch the footage that they have, was

1944
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Speaker 1: a nearby bar that just had an outside camera sort

1945
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: of a still shot, and then you see this light

1946
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: coming in the end of the of the road and

1947
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: then it just goes ass over tea kettle and this

1948
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: was it a ferrari, Yes, that just gets ripped to

1949
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: It looked like Optimus Prime had chucked it down the street.

1950
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was you couldn't you couldn't believe it

1951
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Speaker 1: a miracle, you know what, So you know what just

1952
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: killed me about that too. We had a discussion about

1953
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: that on my show. It turns out my producer drives

1954
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Speaker 1: it out of seatbelt. It's like, who are these? I mean,

1955
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Speaker 1: I'm not I don't want to victim blame around. I'm

1956
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,560
Speaker 1: so happy he's okay and I and I hope he

1957
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Speaker 1: gets back to having the life that in the career,

1958
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Speaker 1: that is that it's set out in front of him.

1959
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: But it's just irresponsible not to wear you're fucking seatbelt, man, Like,

1960
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: what are you people?

1961
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's an argument that he was saved because

1962
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Speaker 2: he didn't, which I guess I can understand.

1963
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Speaker 1: Okay, but on balance, these are not These are not

1964
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, coffins that people are strapping themselves into.

1965
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Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know if he'll fight again.

1966
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 2: You know, it seems like there wasn't long term damage.

1967
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: Who knows mentally what's gonnappen from that, But what a

1968
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: wake up call, if anything, on a reminder for all

1969
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: of us like that. That's insane.

1970
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Speaker 1: Last, but not least, a Belator had a show you

1971
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: mentioned Beltore Milan. They also had Belatore two thirty, which

1972
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: by the way, did not know was a thing but

1973
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: until after it happened. But it should be noted there's

1974
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: a gentleman who's making a bit of a name for himself.

1975
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: He's won the Sambo World Championships a couple of times.

1976
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 1: He was a gold medalist in twenty fifteen and twenty fourteen,

1977
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,440
Speaker 1: actually in twenty seventeen as well. His name is Vadeem Nemkov.

1978
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: And here's how you should know his name. You're like,

1979
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: wasn't that the guy who beat wasn't that the guy

1980
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: who beat Phil Davis in Occupied Palestine of decent? Wasn't

1981
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: that the guy who beat him in? And it was

1982
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: Israel show. He was in Deltar two oh nine and

1983
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: it was And I actually talked to Phil Davis and

1984
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: he was like, dude, he was he was just too good.

1985
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: Here's what he's done since going to Beltore, because he

1986
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: stumbled a couple of times in Rising, but he beat

1987
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: Felipe A. Linz by Ko, he beat Leam McGarry via

1988
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: leg kicks, t he split decision, phills, close fight, and

1989
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,879
Speaker 1: then this past weekend Belatore two thirty, he beat hotfel Carbolio,

1990
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: the former middleweight champ coming up to light heavyweight. He

1991
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 1: rear naked choked him inside two rounds. So keep your

1992
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: eye on that guy. Ve deem Nemkov over at two

1993
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: oh five at Bellator. He appears to be a legitimate,

1994
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:17,799
Speaker 1: legitimate town.

1995
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Speaker 2: Oh in this Friday in boxing on ESPN. I don't

1996
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Speaker 2: remember if it's on the Plus a regular ESPN, but

1997
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 2: this is hardcore fight. It's a light heavyweight unification fight

1998
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: Arthur Betterbev Betterbev versus Alexander Vodsik, who's trained by Teddy Atlas,

1999
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: and it's the perfect matchup of slugger and Beturbev who's

2000
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: fourteen and oho with fourteen ko is against such a

2001
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 2: technical fighter. Votsik was the guy who stopped at Donna

2002
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: Stevenson and unfortunately sent him for a while into into

2003
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 2: a coma, into some bad times. He's recovered, though. This

2004
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 2: is gonna be one hell of a fight. It's under

2005
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 2: the rad arts for hardcores only, but this is gonna

2006
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 2: be a good one.

2007
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: So that'll be on Saturday. That's Friday Night Friday, So

2008
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: Friday night, you got your you got your combat Sports.

2009
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna be down on ESPN Plus. If memory serves

2010
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: and then of course you're gonna have a UFC on

2011
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Speaker 1: ESPN is on the Boston Show. All right, Brian, welcome

2012
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Speaker 1: back to my friend. Yeah, I will be off next week,

2013
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have a.

2014
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 2: Programming note next week. Tell them little on vacation. He's

2015
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: got many years of anger. He's gonna have to let go.

2016
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 2: Hopefully there'll be some alcohol involved out on.

2017
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

2018
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Speaker 2: Know what else you do special time for one week

2019
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 2: only next week, next Tuesday, October twenty second, we'll be

2020
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 2: doing a Tuesday episode myself and the man with the

2021
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: damn hat. Chuck Mindenhall sliding in these dms that the

2022
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 2: crowd loves him. The crowd wants Chuck in the seat

2023
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 2: and me out of here. They love him some, Chuck.

2024
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: Minden, Well, who done love Chuck Mindenhall. By the way,

2025
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: not as many nineties references you were slipping today a

2026
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: little bit.

2027
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to get a little more. We had

2028
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: like three or four all right, I was running hot

2029
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 2: and hard. I went to Jamaica. I let it all

2030
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 2: out for a week. Now I'm back. I'm very corporate.

2031
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Speaker 1: Well, welcome back. I will be uh. I will be

2032
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: gone next week, but then the show rolls on, and.

2033
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 2: Then you're gonna shave while you're going.

2034
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: Fuck, no, I'm not gonna shave for a one time.

2035
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: But then we get back. It's gonna be UFC two

2036
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: forty four fight week, my friend, We're gonna or Canelo

2037
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: Covid left fight week, depending on your perspective. That's gonna

2038
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: be a week. What a week, It's gonna be a

2039
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: big one. So we appreciate you guys watching. Thanks to

2040
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Speaker 1: everyone who has subscribed, liked the video. Subscribe to describe.

2041
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2042
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Speaker 2: You want more?

2043
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: MK? Can I finish this?

2044
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't have to just happen in this bomb shoulder.

2045
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: We can take this thing on the road. We can

2046
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 2: go places.

2047
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Speaker 1: That's right. The more you subscribe, the more the options

2048
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Speaker 1: begin to open up for us. So tell folks about it.

2049
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Speaker 1: We know a bunch of you already. Have you really

2050
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Speaker 1: appreciate it? All right? Until next time for Brian, I'm

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Speaker 1: luke by all of your gains, Be loyal