1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stephan 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: Never told you a protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome to 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: another edition of halfy Hour. As always, we are not 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: sponsored by anything we mention currently which I am going 5 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: to talk about. Actually, this episode's kind of a grab 6 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: bag and it's a last minute one. I had a 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: whole other thing planned, but then something happened I'm going 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: to talk about. And we're talking more about panic career notifications. 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: So which we you and I were just discussing. So 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: I think you're ready, Samantha. So what are you sitting on, Samantha? 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: Today? 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: I decided I can treat myself to a Seltzer drink. 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: I won't name the company, and they have some tropical 14 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: flavors and it's a passion food and I like it. 15 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: I'm pretty thinking about that. But this is nice. This 16 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 3: is I wouldn't drink it all the time, but I'm like, yeah, okay, 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: I'm good with this. 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 4: What about you? 19 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: Good? The weather is nice for that one? 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? You drinking red wine? 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm drinking red wine. I'm drinking red wine with 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: that nothing. Well, it is it's my go to it's 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: my favorite, all right. So Okay, a couple of things. 24 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: What we are talking about today is stress that I've 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: really has really amped up for me around notifications, and 26 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons for it. I do want 27 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: to explain how our ads work really quickly, and I 28 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: swear this will make sense. But the reason why we 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: say at the top, like we're not currently sponsored by 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: this brand is we have something called dynamic ads, So 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: that means they change, like essentially, whatever are you here 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: in this episode, if you listen a couple months later, 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: it won't be the same ad. That's all that that means. 34 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: Another thing I want to talk about is podcasting is 35 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: interesting in that you can't like if you and I 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: are researching an article, sometimes at the bottom of it we'll 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: say this has been updated to correct this mistake. You 38 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: can't do that in podcasting, at least not with the 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: platform we use. You can update the podcast, but if 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: people have already downloaded it, it's too late, like it's 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: already there exactly exactly. So what happened to me, Samith, 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: It was around I had a very stressful day Friday, 43 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: and you know why, like my power had gone out. 44 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: I thought I lost all these files. I was stressed. 45 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: I was doing all this stuff. Yeah, four thirty in 46 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: the morning, I woke up as if like just sat 47 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: up gasping wide away and thought, oh my god, I 48 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: have made this huge mistake and I couldn't calm down. 49 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: I was freaking out about it. I emailed poor Christina 50 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: and was like, what am I gonna do? And I said, 51 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. So we can't ignore this, but I 52 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: just have to feel like I've done something God, And 53 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: this was all like it wasn't that big of a deal, 54 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: and that the other thing is like this landscape kind 55 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: of changes, right, like sometimes information changes, right. But I 56 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: talked about this at the beginning of the pandemic. I 57 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: have this real panic and fear around getting things wrong 58 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: and it just being like a thing I can't fix. 59 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: And I was going back and forth like what do 60 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: I do. And this was before I even knew I'd 61 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: really made a mistake. I was just like thinking it 62 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: maybe maybe that I had, and I was just panic. 63 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I can send out a note. 64 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: What about social media or whatever? All the social media 65 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: I was going all over the place. My whole weekend 66 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: feels like a blur of me trying not to have 67 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: a panic attack, Like, oh no, it was really intense. 68 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: And I noticed that I have had a lot of 69 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: anxiety lately around notifications. So uh, like every time an 70 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: email there's a little red dot that pops up that 71 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: lets you know you've got a new email, and every 72 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: time one would pop up, it would be like the 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: worst surge of panic. And I've always felt that with 74 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: social media because in my opinion, I feel like a 75 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: lot of times I'm just so worried that I've gotten 76 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: something wrong that if I'm getting if I who's not 77 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: on social media very often am getting a notification because 78 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: I've done something wrong. Oh, I think that too, exactly. 79 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you about that in a 80 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: second because we were just talking about it, and like 81 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: we said that you listeners have been so kind and 82 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: even when you're like calling in and tell is you know, hey, 83 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: here's this or this, it's just like that fear. And 84 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: I think that that is something we've talked about when 85 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: it comes to social media and how it does silence people. 86 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: I will say, in this case, it's also me just 87 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: being anxious, So I don't want to put that on 88 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: anyone else. But as I've also said, I have started 89 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: posting fan fiction, so now I'm getting a lot more 90 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: notifications than I'm used to reading, and reviews and what's 91 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: called kudos, which are just like, hey, good job. But 92 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: I and I could turn this off. This is all me, 93 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: But so far they've been so good. So it's always 94 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: like the spike of fear and then oh it's good. 95 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: But I'm thinking maybe I should turn off the vacations 96 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: because I think it. I think it got me so 97 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: amped up. I don't know, it was. It was wild. 98 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: The whole weekend felt like a haze, and I just 99 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: felt like I'd done the worst thing imaginable and I 100 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: had no proof of it. No one had said anything, 101 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: nothing had happened. I don't know. But you and I 102 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: were just talking about because you have recently guested on 103 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: some other podcasts. 104 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yes, if you are interested. But you know, 105 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 3: one of those things where I discourage people from things, 106 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 3: I still do discourage people from listening to this podcast, 107 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: actually people that I know, because I feel like I'm 108 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: not great at it. So again my performance anxiety in general, 109 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, if I'm not the best, then don't 110 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 3: don't listen to me. 111 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: Although it is my job. But yeah, I'm on. 112 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: Margaret Kiljoy, who was a friend of the show, has 113 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 3: been on the show before. She has a podcast called 114 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 3: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. 115 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: I've been on it before. 116 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: I was actually on their inaugural show. We talked about 117 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: the Jaint Collective. 118 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: But I'm on her show. 119 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: I don't know when that's coming out. You go in 120 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: without knowing the topics and you just kind of react 121 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: to whatever we're talking about historical figures, and that makes 122 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: me nervous in itself. I know, that makes you really 123 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: nervous because it panic of all what's going to happen, 124 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: and because you don't want to sound completely ignorant to 125 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: the subject, and then the performance anxiety of like I 126 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: need to be on and I need to be smart 127 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: and I need to prove myself. And then they're like, 128 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: why I don't know anything about these not everyone, No 129 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: one's like an actual professional on all of these people 130 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: all of the time. So that but that level still 131 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: like I'm afraid that I've said something wrong. I've been 132 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: on Behind the Bastards with Robert Evans, and he is 133 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: an amazing journalist that does a lot of deep dives 134 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: into like really bad people, and so you like when 135 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: you come into a subject and their super producer, Sophie, 136 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: who is amazing, She tries to, I think, align the 137 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: people to the topic in order to have some type 138 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: of conversation. The last one, I did not know what 139 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: was happening because it was about Rent. 140 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: And I was like, what what what? 141 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: But like trying to come in and sound smart and 142 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: also match the intelligence and attitude and energy of that host, 143 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: it's really hard. I just recorded and I think it's 144 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: just released The Daily Zeitgeist, which is one of those 145 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: comedy podcasts with two really great comedians and writers that 146 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: spit well, very quickly about current affairs, and I really 147 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: hate current affairs, and they love talking about the right 148 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 3: and how ridiculous they are. I purposely avoid that because 149 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: that kind of energy drains me, and I'm like, I 150 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: don't want any part of this. 151 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: I have to deal with this with my family. I 152 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: don't want this. So I came into the show like just. 153 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: Completely not knowing what was going to happen, a lot 154 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: more people than I expected, because what it's me and 155 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: you recording. Typically at the most me you and Christina, me, 156 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: you and a guest like there's not that many, so. 157 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: Having like there was like four people three other people on, 158 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: I was like, what is going on? 159 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 3: It just felt like I was with an audience and 160 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: we've talked about this before. I don't know if we 161 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: talked about on the show. We are not right live 162 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: in the sense like we still have to prepare. 163 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, like they're comedians. That's not our yeah exactly. 164 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: We can be funny once we've like prepared and with 165 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: each other, but it's not like a. 166 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: Right yeah, and especially when it's in context to like 167 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 3: one liners to current affairs. I have self deprecating humors, 168 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: so we're not talking about how bad I am. 169 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:39,479 Speaker 4: I'm not funny. 170 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: I bet you you feel this way too. And this 171 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: is part of like the heart of what I'm trying 172 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: to get down to is like I feel like as 173 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: hosts of an intersectional feminist podcast, I can't just make 174 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: it off the cuff from make sure that it's not 175 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: which is good. Like I don't want to say anything 176 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: that's right, but I can't just say so. I have 177 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: to think about it, make sure like I'm not missing something, 178 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying something offensive. I don't want to say. 179 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: We are held to higher standards, but we kind of are. 180 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: That's not I don't think that's not like we're held 181 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: to higher standards not because we're better, but because the 182 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 3: people who expect things from us also have higher standards. 183 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: Our audience is very smart and intelligent, and I have 184 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: high ethics. 185 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, and we'd love you, like again, you're so kind, 186 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 5: Like every message we get so kind, don't We are 187 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 5: always saying like these things that that doesn't mean, don't 188 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 5: interact with us. 189 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: But the thing about this is like when I talk 190 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: about the other podcast and being on that, yeah, I'm 191 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: constantly having to be aware of that conversation and they 192 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: do things in jest that is like I think, I 193 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: actually I don't know who I'm called out, but I 194 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: was like, you can't do that. That's that's that's not okay, 195 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: Like I actually he called it. I don't know who 196 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: it was, but it was like another host of something 197 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: I can't even remember, because I'm like, that's not actually 198 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: that's inappropriate. And it's like trying to tell them why 199 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: because people are so used to old school sayings or phrases. 200 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: You know, we talk about that, We talk about being 201 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 3: very aware of trying to say not say guys, And 202 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 3: I still have a problem with that sometimes and so 203 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: I stick to my very country y'all because I love 204 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: that making sure that we are on top of not 205 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: misgendering anybody or dead naming anybody. That's something that's so 206 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 3: important to us. But yeah, that we're being inclusive. I 207 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 3: got called out on Behind the Bastards the first time 208 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: I was on, not necessarily because we said any something wrong, 209 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: but I guess we never said the word ablest, but 210 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: we were like dancing all around it. And so a 211 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: little listener sent a tweet that said, you can say 212 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: the word ablest. That's exactly what it is. Like it 213 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: was chastising at us, like we were, yeah, you're career. 214 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: That it is able us you in this level like 215 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: it was that conversation. 216 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: But being called out immediately, like they came after us, 217 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: I was like, damn, it's not even my show and 218 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: they give more allowance to his show. But yeah, and 219 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: then seeing those notifications, Uh, I actually had the producer 220 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: the first time I was on Behind the Bastards that 221 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: the other show tell me, hey, you're about to get 222 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: flooded with notifications because they they love social media, they 223 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: love it and and she was right, Like immediately, I 224 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: got hundreds of notices. I was like, what is happening. 225 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: It was not necessarily because they loved me. They just 226 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: wanted to comment on the subject, and I was like wow. 227 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: And every time I was like waiting for someone to say, 228 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: and there was one or two were like I hate er, 229 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: don't have her on? 230 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I got a and we've 231 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: talked about this, I got I wasn't even on there, 232 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: and I got dinged. 233 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: I actually told Sophie that story. 234 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: It was pretty hilarious. To be honest, I was really outraged, 235 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: but it was pretty funny. 236 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, like what the hell? No, But like that's the 237 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: thing is it is. 238 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: It's after I left one of the episodes that I 239 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: did guessing there was nothing wrong. The hosts were great, 240 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: They're all very kind. I went down a spiral of 241 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: anxiety to the point that I had to take one 242 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 3: of my anti anxiety meds that I rarely take because 243 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: it's super strong and go to bed because it hit 244 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: me in such a way that I felt overwhelmed. I 245 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: wasn't going into like self harming behavior, but it felt 246 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: so dark and dooming that I was like I have 247 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: to go to sleep. I have to go to sleep 248 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 3: right now, or if I'm living in this feeling of 249 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: complete failure, I might not be able to pick myself 250 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: off the ground type of a moment. And yeah, it 251 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: had nothing to do with them, had nothing to do 252 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 3: with the episode. I got people loving me, saying things 253 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: about how much they liked me. 254 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: All these things. 255 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: We had listeners come over from those shows, so there 256 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: was nothing in that. But because of the things that 257 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: I thought I did wrong, which were only in my head, 258 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: like I might have said something inappropriately, I might have missed, 259 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: you know, misnamed something. It wasn't a big deal, but 260 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: the way I felt felt like I failed the show. 261 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: You myself, like it was so. 262 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: Overwhelming that I had to immediately, but that that is 263 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: is debilitating. 264 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: It was and I was so bummed because I had 265 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: so many things to do. It was not well timed. 266 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: Inconvenient, inconvenient, it was inconvenient. 267 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I was trying so hard to not 268 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: like text everybody I knew and be like, oh my god, 269 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: calm me down. But I think it also has to 270 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: do with we do have this book coming out, which 271 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: I am very proud of, but It's also like the 272 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: feminist icons that we talked about in it, even being 273 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: mentioned in like the same sentence as them makes me 274 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: very anxious. 275 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: Calling in a feminist book make me so nervous. And 276 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: I think we address that in our forward and afterwards. 277 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, we definitely were like. 278 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: Because because there's so many things that we're still learning, 279 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: and honestly, that's probably the better way to be than 280 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: to say that we are the experts in something. Yeah, 281 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: because yeah, there's an expectation that you're going to know 282 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: everything in history when you're like, oh, I didn't know this, 283 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: and you're learning new things as well. And the expectation 284 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: is because we have this podcast and that this is 285 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: supposed to be our strength and this is supposed to 286 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: be our only job, not our specialty. Like we we 287 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: came into this and loving it, but we're learning, like. 288 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: The constant amount of research. 289 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: I was just thinking about this, like, oh my god, 290 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: I think I'm working doing more work for this podcast 291 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: than I was from my social work job. 292 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot, and I think, you know, I do. 293 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: I love this job and we're very lucky that we 294 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: could to work from home and all of this stuff 295 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: and I love the research, but it is like I 296 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: was thinking about that too. I was just telling you, 297 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: I feel like I've had so many weekends lately where 298 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: I've had to cancel things because I had to work, 299 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: and I had to really think about that because I 300 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: was like, you know, there are people that I want 301 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: to be with and hang out with, and instead I'm 302 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: choosing to do this thing, which I do love. But 303 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: a part of it is that I feel like I 304 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: have to make sure there are no mistakes and also 305 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: that it's good whatever it is that to justify that 306 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm even here at all doing this. 307 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: This is where you and I differ. I don't care 308 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: if they're mistakes. I just keep going. 309 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: As long as it's not problematic. 310 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, moving on. 311 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: I Oh my god. 312 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: I mean we have very different styles, and I'm the 313 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 3: one that waits last minute but stays up all night 314 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: to get it done. And I'm like, hey, give me 315 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: thirty more minutes, thirty more minutes. Christina loves loves it. 316 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure. Sorry. 317 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: Christina has been become a bit of a game with 318 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: me where I'm like, gonna come to the time, are 319 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: we gonna. 320 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 3: Always make sure she's not she's eaten really early and 321 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: then be like we're gonna do it later. 322 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we joke that's the curse the curves. 323 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, there's definitely a lot to being 324 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: a face to something and I think that's the that's 325 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: the that's the real conversation for me being seen, which 326 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: again there's this level of racist stereotype that really leaned 327 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 3: into as a kid being a model minority that means 328 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: to be invisible and blend in so to be seen 329 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: and something that I am passionate about. I do want 330 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 3: to talk about this. I do love talking about this. 331 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: Am I so lazy that I would do this on 332 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 3: my own? Like? 333 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: Am I? 334 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm so productive that I would do. 335 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: This outside the podcast. Now, I probably would google it, 336 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: move on. 337 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 3: But that definitely would be looking at twenty thousand articles 338 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: and scholarly papers. But like it is, it's the being seen, 339 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: being known. And then because we grew up in an 340 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 3: era of you should know what's wrong with you, you can't 341 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: make mistakes, and if you make mistakes, you're less liked, 342 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 3: less loved, and your value goes down. 343 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: So it's a lot of that. 344 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: It is. I don't want it to sound like, we 345 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: don't like if we make a mistake, this's not like 346 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: the goal. We obviously try not to, but I don't 347 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: think it's super helpful to spend an entire weekend right 348 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: just like so stressed about it. But one of the 349 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: things was I was like, how I can't correct it 350 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: because there was like if what do I do. 351 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: In the podcast? Recently? 352 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: I actually said on the podcast and I don't know 353 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: because I won't go back and listen to it myself. 354 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 3: I said, hey, cut this, and they're the type of 355 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: podcast that doesn't cut things, so there's a likelihood I 356 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 3: made the mistake and said that and then redid it 357 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 3: and they just left the entire thing and they're like, 358 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 3: damn it. 359 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, I know joke. There was a podcast I 360 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: guessed it on where I said something that's not true, 361 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure. I think I was just nervous 362 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: and I just said it. It's not like a huge 363 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: lie or anything. It's not It was about me, but 364 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't true, and they didn't. Normally you and I 365 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: give people the option to listen to it and cut 366 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: it out. 367 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 2: We're very different. 368 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: We I didn't get that option. So now it's out there, 369 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: and I I am so stressed about it, even though 370 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: again it wasn't like a huge thing. I don't know why, 371 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: but I just it's out there on the internet, and 372 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: now people are gonna think I'm a liar and they 373 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: won't believe anything that I say, which. 374 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: Is definitely not true. 375 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: And most people probably don't know what you're talking about 376 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: even when they're listening to that podcast. 377 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: No, it's like really fier, but my friends definitely knew 378 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: when they listened to it. That's not true. 379 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: Again, being like sharing yourself and being vulnerable in this 380 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: way is a whole different thing. And especially when we're 381 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 3: on the standard that we do diligent research, we are 382 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: inclusive and we are aware of the environment today, and 383 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 3: therefore we definitely want to be as kind and as accepting, 384 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: as knowledgeable about these things. Whereas those podcasts they don't care, 385 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: and they thrive on misinformation and they thrive on controversy, 386 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 3: Like they have a lot more freedom in that. 387 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: We don't want to be that. 388 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, but there's this level of intensity 389 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: I feel like, and again like for ourselves, we hold 390 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: the standard of perfection that is unrealistic. But because we 391 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 3: want to be the better podcasters, the better person who 392 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: brings that information the best we can that can be 393 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: relayed and shared with those who might not know, might 394 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: not understand. 395 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, and I think too. We just have a 396 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: lot of contents and sometimes sometimes it's like I don't 397 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: want to give myself a free pass. But sometimes you're 398 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: having a bad day as a human being that exists 399 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: and you made a mistake, yeah, or you just weren't 400 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: feeling it that day, and it sucks because you want 401 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: to be you want to maintain those high standards, but 402 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: I do think it's not possible all the time. Again, really, listeners, 403 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: you're just going on a journey of like my anxiety weekend. 404 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: This none of you. I love all of you. Please 405 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: don't take this as don't interact. But I think I 406 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: just got to make some changes about when I get notifications. 407 00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: I think I got to set up some. 408 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: Bad And there's also the because again I do that too. 409 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: But I love the messages and I try to respond 410 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 3: and we try to do our best. Sorry about the 411 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: main account. We don't always respond because that's not ours 412 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: to handle anymore. Thank goodness, we're very grateful for our 413 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 3: producers and we love you, but I get you, like 414 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: I don't especially what it's like a criticism because you 415 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: really want to be able to correct it very quickly. 416 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 2: And if they're legit, they're legit. 417 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: If you're complaining because you feel attacked because of something 418 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 3: that I feel, or it's something that I have experienced 419 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: as an Asian woman, that's on you and I'm not 420 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: ever gonna. 421 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: Apologize for that. 422 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: But like for you Andie, you also jump at all 423 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 3: the things, all the things, Like I'm surprised you leave 424 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: the sound on to your phone because you jumped so hard. 425 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a pretty massive jump when a my 426 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: phone went off earlier today. Yeah, I'm just keyed up. 427 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: I'm keyed up all the time. That's something else I 428 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: need to work on. But also, like the reason I 429 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: bought up the like the ads thing and the correction 430 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: of the podcast thing is that this happens, I can't 431 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: bother Christina or super producer on the weekend. I did, 432 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to expect her to do anything 433 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: about it. That means like there's like, you know, two 434 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: days where people are downloading something and they're not going 435 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: to get if I tried to correct something which again 436 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I need to correct. No, then 437 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: it's too late, right, So it was just like the 438 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: timing was bad. Yeah, I think a lot of things 439 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: are coming together that I'm stressed about and I'm really 440 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: not good, Like I have my work email open on 441 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: the weekend, so I'm not good at. 442 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: I have it on my phone. 443 00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. 444 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: Oh, but you get way more emails than I do. 445 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: I'm very thankful to be on just one show and 446 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 3: then also only ask the guest every now and again, 447 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: and you're like being asked the right things and I'm like, 448 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: oh god, no, what is that? And travel for things, 449 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I do want to travel, but not really. 450 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 3: I've decided, like I want to travel without leaving the house. 451 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 3: Is that possible? But there's a lot on your plate. 452 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 3: And that's the thing is like jobs like this. We're 453 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: very grateful for jobs like this. And it's quite funny 454 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 3: when I tell people about my job, and it's job, 455 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 3: so a legit job, I promise, But because of the 456 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 3: creative aspect, you're always on. We're always on and for 457 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: you as double. So not only is it about intersectional 458 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: feminist which is being attacked on every level, right, now, 459 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: but also about food knowledge. 460 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah it is, and I do think we've 461 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: talked about that before and then I swear I'll wrap 462 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: up this panic session. But we have talked before about 463 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: how like like kind of what you were mentioning. But 464 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: women and marginalized people do have this because unfortunately they 465 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: are still not as much in our public eye. It's 466 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: kind of extra pressure of like, oh, I'm the I'm 467 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: the one in this space, right, I have this stuff 468 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: that is put on me. There's some there's a specific 469 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: term for it, where you're trying to disprove a bias. 470 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: But so I do think a lot of people listening 471 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: can relate to this. I hope that you can't, but 472 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: I bet that you can. 473 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 2: We wish you didn't. 474 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but that like drive to be perfect and 475 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: if you're not, then what good are you? Anyway? Right, Well, 476 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: I feel a lot better now, I'll tell you that. 477 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: But I'm really glad. 478 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it's okay. Yes, well, I'm gonna I'm 479 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: gonna put some boundaries in place. 480 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: Well, boundaries are beautiful. 481 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 3: Do it? 482 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I will, I will. Well. Cheers to you, Samantha, cheers, yes, 483 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: cheers to you listeners. We do love hearing from you. 484 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: I promise. If it sounds like we don't, we do. 485 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: We actually really do. 486 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: We actually really really do love. 487 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 4: The kind wars. 488 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: That's the biggest surprise. We're like, oh, yes, it's like. 489 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: A warm digital hug. It's lovely when. 490 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 2: You come in expecting the Wars and it's the nicest. 491 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, it is lovely. So we really really appreciate 492 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: that you can email us those kind Where should you 493 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: decide to at Stuff Media, moms Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 494 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at momsa podcast, or 495 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: on Instagram and TikTok a stuff when I ever told you, 496 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: uh you could. Also, we have a book, as we mentioned, 497 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: you can pre order it. 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