1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is a special edition of Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Tod Mom speaks, Healey would be twelve fish year she'd be. 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: But you're also convicted of one thing, lying to the cops. 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: A lot of the cops every day, the cops a 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: lot of people every day. I'm still not even certain 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: as I stand here today about what happened. I don't 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: care understanding how did she do? I don't know. I 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: don't give about when anybody thinks about me. I don't 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: care about that. I never will. I'm okay with myself. 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: I sleep pretty good at night. By now, everyone unless 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: you're living in a cave, has learned that Todd Mom 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony has spoken, has broken her so called silence. 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm stunned actually at what she has said. I didn't 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: see Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: with us. I covered the trial of top Mom Casey 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: Anthony many years ago. In fact, I covered the missing 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: person case when her two year old little girl killing 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: went missing. I recall being one of the first ones 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: on the story and when I heard the facts, she 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: states quote, I sleep pretty good at night. Really, you 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: know what, For many many years I have prosecuted violent 22 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: felonies in which children were kidnapped, were abused, were murdered. 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: And I have never, once, not once met one parent 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 1: that quote sleeps pretty good at night after their child 25 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: has been taken and murdered. No, you never quote sleep 26 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: pretty good at night. Even now, all these years since 27 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: my fiance was murdered, I don't go one week that 28 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't wake up in the middle of the night 29 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: and wonder what he went through when he was murdered. 30 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: To sleep pretty good at night, How can that be 31 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: when your child's body was found just ten houses away 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: from your own home, thrown away like trash, left out 33 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: in the elements to decompose, for possums and dogs and 34 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: other animals to tear her body apart as she slept 35 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: down the street. How many times would I have wondered? 36 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: How how how often had I driven past my child's 37 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: dead body just feed away from me? It would drive 38 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: me to the brink of sanity. Yet top Mom says 39 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: I sleep pretty good at night. Once again, it's all 40 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: about her and not about her child. Kelly. That's the 41 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: way it's always been, and that's the way it is now. 42 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: I want to say thanks Simple Safe Home Alarm system, 43 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: home security system for making our podcast possible. Simply Safe 44 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: is something I believe in. 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I don't think you can put a 55 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: price on protecting your family. And I don't mean just possessions, 56 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, sure, what would I What would I say? 57 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: I would say my grandmother's engagement ring. I probably say 58 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: the letters my fiance wrote me before he was killed. 59 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: Let's see. I I'll be trying to save all our 60 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: family albums that I've worked so hard on. The rest 61 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: of it, you know, forget it. But what about my twins? 62 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: About that? I mean, it's not just about possessions. So 63 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: I want to thank simply Safe from making today possible. 64 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, simply safe top mom. Casey Anthony goes on 65 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: to say she has no idea even now how her 66 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: daughter died. I really because it trial. Her defense was 67 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: she authorized her lawyers to state that her daughter likely 68 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: drowned dead in the family pool and then blamed her father, George, 69 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: who I believe to be completely innocent of discarding the 70 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: TAPS body in that manner. That's what she said at trial, 71 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: that Kelly died in the family pool by accident, in 72 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: a swimming accident, and instead of calling nine one one 73 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: or calling police or having a proper funeral, they just 74 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: decided to just throw the body out and let it decompose, 75 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: be picked apart by animals. That was the defense at trial. 76 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: So what she forgot that she forgot how her daughter died, 77 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: because that's what she said at trial, that's what her 78 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: lawyer said. But in the last six years she forgot, 79 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: she doesn't remember, has no idea how her daughter died. Wow, 80 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: that's that's certainly odd, isn't it that you forget how 81 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: your daughter died, or at least forgot what you told 82 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: a jury. What I have to say to that is 83 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: it is simply moral lies. I only wonder what her 84 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: motivation is for coming forward. Reports are that Top Mom 85 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony tried to back out of this statement running 86 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: being printed five times. Now I see why. Casey Anthony 87 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: also says that she quote got in trouble because she 88 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: is one of the few unfortunate people to admit she lied. 89 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: That is absolutely not true. She lied through her teeth 90 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: to everybody she knew or seemed to love. It is 91 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: unrefuted by her own words that her daughter goes missing 92 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: after an argument she had with her mother. Remember, her mother, Cindy, 93 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: wanted to take the baby and raise her herself, but 94 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: Top Mom Casey Anthony wouldn't have that. Oh no, Suddenly 95 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: her daughter quote goes missing, and she blames a nonexistent 96 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: nanny named denied A Gonzales of kidnapping her daughter, and then, 97 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: by her own account, she goes for thirty days. If 98 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: your child went missing, wouldn't you call police, wouldn't you 99 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: set up a search station. Wouldn't you go out run 100 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: into the streets looking for your child? Wouldn't you? But no, 101 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: what Top Mom did was lie to everybody she knew. 102 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: She left her parents home, ostensibly with her daughter. She 103 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: slung up with a boyfriend. She never mentioned to the 104 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: boyfriend that her child was missing. She didn't look for 105 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: the child, she didn't call police, nothing. Instead, she went 106 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: to a local store and bought sexy lingerie and a 107 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: case of beer to party with her boyfriend. She went 108 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: to nightclubs every night, including a hot body contest, and 109 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: there are photos of her and a METI skirt and 110 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: push up Brian living it up at a nightclub while 111 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: her daughter is missing. It brings to mind the time 112 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: I was in Babies or Us and I was stooped down, 113 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: really on on my knees looking for organic sunscream okay, 114 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: And I had John David and Lucy right beside me. 115 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: And when I looked and looked through all the different offerings, 116 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: I stood up. I turned around and Lucy was there 117 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: and John David was gone, and I screamed, bloody murder, 118 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: my baby's gone. Locked the doors. I mean I screamed 119 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: it because I wanted to find my son then, and 120 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: I will never forget that feeling. Thank God, he was 121 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: just a few rows over. He had darted off to 122 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: look for something. But think about it. Top mom's own 123 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: story is that the nanny who didn't exist kidnapped her baby, 124 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 1: and she kept it a secret from her lover, her mother, 125 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: her father, her friends, her family, everybody for thirty days 126 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: until her mother busted her. Remember top mom's car got 127 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: told and her mother got the notice in the mail 128 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: and went to go get the car out of the 129 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: toe area. And when she opened the car, she said, 130 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: and I quote, this car smells like the damn car 131 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: smells like a dead body. That is what her own 132 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: mother said. Why because the dead body had been in 133 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: the car her daughter's. So let's think about that. She 134 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: says that she got in trouble because she's one of 135 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: the few people that admit she lied. She didn't come 136 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,359 Speaker 1: out and admitt she was busted, and all started unraveling. 137 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: She had been telling her parents she worked at Universal Studios, 138 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: even had an outfit of Universals or a name tag 139 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: or something. And she led police all the way to Universal, 140 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: to the security gate and the security guard and tried 141 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: to get in like she worked there. She didn't. That 142 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: was a lie. Cops busted her. That is how it 143 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: came out. She was lying. She never said, look, guys, 144 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: I want to find my daughter. I want to tell 145 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: you the truth. This is what happened. That's not how 146 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: it went down. Okay, let's not be confused about the facts. 147 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: What did she thank me forgot what happened at trial? 148 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: She is now with an O J. Defense investigator and 149 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: says she empathizes with O. J. Simpson. Okay, see, and 150 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: now that part I could predict. You know, birds of 151 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: a feather flock together, that whole thing. So she empathizes 152 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: with O. J. Simpson, who was a double killer. All right. 153 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: I could just imagine those two sitting around having drinks, 154 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: swapping stories about how they got away with murder. Now, lately, 155 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: the trial judge, who I respect a lot, Bell Van Perry, 156 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: has come out and said he thinks taught mom Casey 157 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Anthony accidentally killed her child with chloroform. What you don't 158 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: use chloroform on a child, That in itself is aggravated assault, 159 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: and a death occurred homemade chloroform. I don't know what 160 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: Judge Bell va Perry was thinking, but you don't accidentally 161 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: overdo it with the chloroform on your child's mouth and nose. 162 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: That is an aggravated assault. And if a death occurs 163 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: from that, that is quite simply a felony murder. A 164 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: death that occurred in the commission of a felony, no 165 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: accidental chloroforming, she taught. Mom compares herself to Alice in Wonderland. What. 166 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: I don't think Alison Wonderland was ever accused of murder. 167 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: She also blames the media. She blames everybody but her self. 168 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: She's blamed her mother, her father, the media, the nanny, 169 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: the this, the that it's not the media's fault, the 170 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: media simply reported. She goes on to brag that she 171 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: hangs out with friends in bars and that men buy 172 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: her drinks and are attracted to her. You know, in 173 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: the wake of your daughter being murdered and left dead 174 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: to be you know, bits of food for animals. I 175 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: don't think this would be the time to be worried 176 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: about men being attracted to you in bars and buying 177 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: you drinks. I guess something's never changed, right And last, 178 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, when I think about my children's future, I 179 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: think about what all I want to give them. I 180 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: want to give them everything I never had, everything my 181 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: mom and dad never had. M I want them to 182 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: have a chance to if they want to go to 183 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: a fancy Ivy League school, to not have student loans 184 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: around their next to not have to work two and 185 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: three jobs from fourteen on to make it. I dream 186 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: of them being a doctor or a scientist, or a lawyer, 187 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: or an inventor or a pianist. I dream of them 188 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: doing well at piano and singing in the church choir, 189 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: and one day getting a graduate degree and marrying and 190 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: having a family. Those are my dreams, and I hope 191 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: those things for them. What does top Mom say her 192 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: daughter would be now if she had not been killed? 193 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: A badass? You know, I'm not even going to comment 194 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: on that. I just say, all in all, little Kelly, 195 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: rest in peace, Rest in peace, sweet girl. Again, Thank 196 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: you too. Simply Safe our sponsor joining us here on 197 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: crime stories. Simply Safe is so easy to install, hence 198 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: the name simply Safe. They've even got a video online 199 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: to explain how to do it. People believe they cannot 200 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: afford home security, Well you can. 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