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Speaker 1: What is Up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of The Mets the Podcast. Episode number two twenty four,

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Speaker 1: just wrapped up a long four game series with the

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals in which the Mets took three out

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Speaker 1: of four. Playing good baseball again, beating up on those

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Speaker 1: week week National League Central teams because we know that

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Speaker 1: is one of the worst divisions in all of Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball. A lot of good stuff going on in

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Speaker 1: the Mets world. Pete Alonzo, Francisco Indor, Jeff McNeil, everybody

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Speaker 1: is clicking on all cylinders. We got good pitching as well.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about everything as we always do with

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Speaker 1: We do appreciate all you guys hanging around here. As

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Speaker 1: we get into the dog Daves of summer, James, how

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Speaker 1: are we feeling feeling good?

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Speaker 2: Mets play Cup, Baseball, great series, love being the Saint

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Speaker 2: Louis Cardinals talk about last episode. For any team that

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Speaker 2: doesn't isn't near an ocean, they're the most ones, I

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Speaker 2: think by a good margin, so really really happy to

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Speaker 2: beat them up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they self proclaimed best fans in baseball. We got

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Speaker 1: a little bit of taste that in this nymo. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely a little uh false because I mean, what

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Speaker 1: is that something we want to talk about right now,

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Speaker 1: or we want to go through game by game and

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll cover that in a few seconds here. But

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Speaker 1: I mean the Cardinals fans, I will say this empty

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Speaker 1: empty every single game, and if they were the true

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Speaker 1: best fans in baseball, they'd be packing that house no

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Speaker 1: matter what, because it's not necessarily always about the w's

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Speaker 1: and l's. It's about having a good time appreciating your team.

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Speaker 1: But apparently these Cardinals fans a little too good for

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Speaker 1: this team, and honestly, I don't blame them. It's the

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Speaker 1: first time we've seen them in a long time and

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Speaker 1: they look horrendously bad.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I was gonna say is because the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals fans always can take the claim of best fans

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Speaker 2: in baseball because they've never dealt with any adversity.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like the kid that like, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: say Yankee fans. Yankee fans aren't for some reason. Yankee

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Speaker 2: fans are built differently. Whether you think that's go, they're bad,

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Speaker 2: you can interpret that however you want. But like, Cardinals

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Speaker 2: fans are like the nice kid you went to like

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Speaker 2: great private school, he had amazing two of theirs, no adversity,

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Speaker 2: went to nice Magne in high school, right to the

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Speaker 2: IVY League, like never any issues, and suddenly you can

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Speaker 2: knock back in your ass and you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: how am I going to respond to this? Those are

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals fans though, so now we're seeing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they the Cardinals went. We played them earlier in

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Speaker 1: I feel like at that time where now it's very

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Speaker 1: much well known they're one of the worst teams in baseball.

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Speaker 1: The way that they're playing and watching them play this

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Speaker 1: was the same Cardinals team of the last few years.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Ali Marmole has done there, but

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Speaker 1: they look they just played bad ball. Bad baseball around.

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Speaker 2: They play bad ball. They weren't well equipped for the

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Speaker 2: rule changes. They've never had enough pitching, but Roway was

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Speaker 2: able to fake it. They're making again, this is a

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Speaker 2: good way to lead into Game one. They're just making

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Speaker 2: Adam Wainwright pitch every fifth day with an eight E RA.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit cruel and than usual what's going

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Speaker 2: when you think back about you mentioned playing the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: earlier this spring. They came for the Father's Day Series

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Speaker 2: like what late April, early man, I think it was

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Speaker 2: late April of twenty twenty two. That was the amount

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Speaker 2: I hadn't moved apartments yet. You hadn't moved apartments yet.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't had a full revolution of a job. I

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Speaker 2: That was him just being the harder that he is.

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Speaker 2: Like it's been a lot of life since the Mets

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's a very very long time ago,

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Speaker 1: and honestly for both teams, a little bit different stories

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Speaker 1: too with how the seasons are going, unfortunately, especially on

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Speaker 1: though in Game one to see Adam Wayne Wright get

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Speaker 2: At least he just has so nothing. There's nothing left

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Speaker 2: to Adam Wayne r. And my hatred for him. It

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Speaker 2: knows no bounce. Like watching him throw eighty seven miles

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Speaker 2: like the fact that he squeaked his ways like weaseled

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Speaker 2: his way into a quality start was ridiculous, especially because

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen this before. I didn't

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Speaker 2: know how to do the search into the seats ever

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Speaker 2: happened before. We need John for that. But if John

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Speaker 2: has to spend time with his daughter on a Sunday

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Speaker 2: of the summer, guys don't care about the podcast anymore.

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Speaker 2: But Adam Wayne ran through ninety three pitches and didn't

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Speaker 2: get a single swing and miss on Thursday night. I

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Speaker 2: can't even believe it.

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it happened, especially as many curveballs as

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Speaker 2: he threw to not get one met to swing and

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Speaker 1: What's worse that or the fact that we had to

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Speaker 1: absolutely glaze Adam Wayne Wright left and right about how

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Speaker 1: amazing of a pitcher he is, how he's a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer, no doubt, like all he's like he said,

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Speaker 1: all right, John Smoltz, the guy who I mean, he

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Speaker 2: With that of this game, I love knew knowing that

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Speaker 2: John Smaltz's couldn't going to be on the call. This

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Speaker 2: don't like listening John smalts two games now. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to soon in a few months when the playoffs

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Speaker 2: gets start here, I ask something I've been working on

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Speaker 2: for Twitter. It'spend my dress for a while, and I

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Speaker 2: want to make it for them. It's gonna be called

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Speaker 2: John Smaltz bingo. I'm gonna try and drop it during

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Speaker 2: a playoffs during one of the playoffs series and like,

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Speaker 2: see see how we can do here? All the things

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Speaker 2: he always says every single game. But Wayne right, the

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Speaker 2: hardest pitching through in this game was eighty seven point

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Speaker 2: four miles an hour. Eighty seven point four miles. Now

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Speaker 2: I messed in swinging this one time. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: still only three runs, but still enough to get the victory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Jose Kintana did another great job. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we know where there's gonna be at least two guys

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Speaker 1: guarantee in this rotation right now with code I, Sanga

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Speaker 2: Definitely. This was a month to his debut, almost to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean he's been extremely consistent, the kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just consistent, reliable length pitching. Just that it's just

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Speaker 2: also another cool thing happened in this game. Tim Lecastro,

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Speaker 2: Timmy Locos would like to call him here, hit a

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Speaker 1: That's a big deal. That's exactly what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 1: I was like, can't forget Timmy Low as well getting

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Speaker 1: we know, Pete Alonso owns the Saint Louis Cardinals. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think just owns the entire National League Central If

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Speaker 1: like all their numbers have just been climbing and climbing

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Speaker 1: And you see the guy at the top with Nimo Lindor,

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Speaker 1: your liars, you were wrong. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: And just the fact that again said it a lot

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Speaker 2: like it was always the pitching. The offense was always good.

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Speaker 2: The offense always gonna be good, Like there's gonna I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna drop some stats about Francisco Lindor and also vocal

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Speaker 2: Lonzo's literally just three weeks when his wrist hurt, he

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Speaker 2: And that goes in the game too, where the Mets

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Speaker 2: has raised his full season average from two thifty two

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Speaker 2: to two sixty three in just those almost three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's a beast. There's the only guys

434
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Speaker 1: really hotter at the plate right now are uh, Julio

435
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Speaker 1: Rodriguez and Bobby Wood Junior so and Francisco Lindor and

436
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Speaker 1: Francisco Lindor. We'll talk about him a little bit more

437
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Speaker 1: nice win take two of the take the first two games,

438
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Speaker 1: move on to Game three with just immaculate vibes. Immaculate vibes,

439
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,280
Speaker 1: it felt, and I think Gary and Keith mentioned it.

440
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Speaker 1: Said they the way that they're playing right now does

441
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Speaker 1: remind us a lot of last year. He said. They

442
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Speaker 1: feel relaxed. They look confident. Keith was making a lot

443
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Speaker 1: of comments about this. There's a play at one point

444
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Speaker 1: where Jeff McNeil tried to turn two on a very

445
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Speaker 1: difficult ball up big in Game three and threw the

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Speaker 1: ball second till Lindor and Lindor was there was like

447
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Speaker 1: a tough play, and Keith's like, man, these guys are

448
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Speaker 1: just they're kind of just vibing and chilling and playing

449
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Speaker 1: baseball like we.

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Speaker 2: Expected them to. Like this is good to see. Yeah,

451
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Speaker 2: just it feels like it's baseball's fun again. They're they're loose.

452
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Speaker 2: There was a great play on Sunday there where raf

453
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Speaker 2: Floerd take a score from first on Jonathan Arou's single

454
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Speaker 2: and it was like, all right, he's moving there, even

455
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Speaker 2: like the p play you got thrown out in the

456
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Speaker 2: eighth inning, but like you just see him like try

457
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Speaker 2: to be aggressive, like take advantage of a bouncing ball,

458
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Speaker 2: and like, all right, like the guys are not really

459
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Speaker 2: seems like they're playing again more than thinking. It felt

460
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Speaker 2: like the first half was a lot of thinking rather

461
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Speaker 2: than playing. And this was just this was just an onslaught.

462
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Speaker 2: Like from the middle of the game on, it kind

463
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Speaker 2: of started like a little like a little back and forth.

464
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Speaker 2: Franciscal Indoor scored and that dropped third strike. In the

465
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Speaker 2: first sitting, you're basically still home. We're gonna say score

466
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Speaker 2: door still home on that one. But from the middle innings,

467
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Speaker 2: once we saw Miko was once got home runs from Pete,

468
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Speaker 2: Fogey put the exclamation point on it with a grand slam.

469
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Speaker 2: Dimitrice Jerome hit another one late. Fogey's grand slam was great.

470
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Speaker 2: Pete went four four hundred and seventy feet estimated distance,

471
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Speaker 2: which is one of his longest home runs of the year.

472
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Speaker 2: Just just absolutely just took advantage of a very very

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Speaker 2: subpar pitching staff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Miles michaelis is bad. It is a bad picture.

475
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Speaker 1: The lizard King for for killing live lizards in the

476
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Speaker 1: bullpen when he was in the Arizona Fall League. Didn't

477
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Speaker 1: kill he didn't kill that lizard. He ate the live lizard.

478
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Speaker 1: Well it also died.

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you're burying the lead there. You

480
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,439
Speaker 2: could just kill a lizard, even a lot eating a

481
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Speaker 2: living lizard, having a lizard squirm down your esophagus as

482
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Speaker 2: much different. You guy should look up that story if

483
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Speaker 2: you've never heard of it.

484
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Speaker 1: Ports sprite on it, then put in his mouth and

485
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Speaker 1: shoot it and swallowed. It's one of the most foul

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Speaker 1: videos on the internet.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you can't watch it though in the bullpen

488
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Speaker 2: of the Arizona Fall League. So check that one out

489
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Speaker 2: if you're sickos like us. But I want to highlight

490
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Speaker 2: vogeye beacept Fogie grand slam was like he just went

491
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Speaker 2: down and got a pitch and it absolutely crushed it.

492
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Speaker 2: And he's been having that like kind of a little

493
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Speaker 2: like center slightly opposite field power ally now like since

494
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Speaker 2: he's gotten good. And I was like, I feel like

495
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Speaker 2: Vogi has been really good, like for the last month,

496
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Speaker 2: and I went back and it was actually a little

497
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Speaker 2: bit past that. The mental health break. The mental health

498
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Speaker 2: break span ten days early in June, from the eighth

499
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Speaker 2: to the seventeenth, I want to say, or maybe like

500
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Speaker 2: the sixth to the sixteenth something like that.

501
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Speaker 1: Since that, since those ten days off.

502
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Speaker 2: Where everyone said we got the clear his head, he's

503
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Speaker 2: a one twenty WRC plus eight hundred ops and eight

504
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Speaker 2: home runs and one hundred twenty play appearances.

505
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Speaker 1: Now hundred twenty play the appearances comes out to.

506
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Speaker 2: Almost like a fifth of a season, right, because usually

507
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Speaker 2: a regular regular season baseball six hundred play appearances. So

508
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Speaker 2: one hundred twenty times five to six hundred, right.

509
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Speaker 1: Mark, Yes, that's how it works. So can you do

510
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Speaker 1: some other math for me? What's eight times five? Eight

511
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Speaker 1: times five, that's gonna be a forty forty So.

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Speaker 2: Two months of baseball from Daniel vogel Back, he's on

513
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Speaker 2: a forty home run base So whatever you could say

514
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Speaker 2: about the guy, he is hitting the crap out of

515
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Speaker 2: the ball since that break.

516
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Speaker 1: And maybe this is anecdotal, but I feel like he

517
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Speaker 1: has been way more aggressive, especially these last two weeks here,

518
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Speaker 1: because then in this game, that run in the Grand

519
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Speaker 1: Slam came on a one ozero pitch And normally we

520
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Speaker 1: tend to see vogel Back, who is wanted for his eye.

521
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Speaker 1: He obviously does have great plate discipline. There's never a

522
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Speaker 1: doubt there, but we see him swinging early and being aggressive,

523
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Speaker 1: and this is always a guy who when he hits

524
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Speaker 1: the ball, he hits it hard. It's just been a thing.

525
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Speaker 1: I feel like the issue that maybe some Mets fans

526
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Speaker 1: have had or the struggles that have come from vogel

527
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Speaker 1: Back has been there's just been a lack of aggression

528
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Speaker 1: behind the way he takes at bats at the plate.

529
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Speaker 1: And Keith was talking about too. He's like, I'm really

530
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Speaker 1: liking the way he's swinging the bat. He goes I

531
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Speaker 1: think he got closer to the plate and he's just like,

532
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start swinging. I'm gonna start taking hacks. And

533
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Speaker 1: it's been working. Like whatever it is, he bed going,

534
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Speaker 1: Daniel vogel Back, this is this is the player that

535
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Speaker 1: me and James knew were inside you the entire time,

536
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Speaker 1: because you've done it before. You did it last year too.

537
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Speaker 1: It was just I don't know what was going on

538
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year. Maybe it was just

539
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Speaker 1: I don't know, a lot of pressure or whatever it

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Speaker 1: could have been. But the old Daniel Vogelback that we're

541
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Speaker 1: seeing again, it feels good to actually get to see

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Speaker 1: that happen.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get his ass swinging aggressiveness now with a split.

544
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Speaker 2: But it's gonna take a second to fine. But as

545
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Speaker 2: of before the mental health break, Daniel vogel Back, great

546
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Speaker 2: podcasting here, such good podcasting here. He was swinging thirty

547
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Speaker 2: two percent of the time and see forty eight percent

548
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Speaker 2: of pitches in the zone. So now let's check that

549
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Speaker 2: out for since the mental health break.

550
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Speaker 1: And we saw him in Game four as well. I

551
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Speaker 1: think he had at least one or two more hits,

552
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Speaker 1: hit one down the line early in the count. It

553
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Speaker 1: also was funny that after he hit this grand slam,

554
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Speaker 1: he ran into the dugout immediately, like they showed him

555
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Speaker 1: on the camera. He said something in tim Lacashro Danny

556
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Speaker 1: Mendick went down the stairs like scurried down and those

557
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: guys were dying laughing. So whatever it was must have

558
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Speaker 1: been very funny and he got out of there. But

559
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Speaker 1: we do know vogel Back is big curator of vibes

560
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Speaker 1: and he has been like since he came to see him.

561
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Speaker 2: Everyone loves him. Everyone always has great things to say

562
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Speaker 2: about him.

563
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Speaker 1: We've talked to him. He was a great dude.

564
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Speaker 2: He was a great interview. He was really happy to

565
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Speaker 2: talk to us too, and he was like, oh, guys,

566
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Speaker 2: are nice.

567
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Speaker 1: Took a deep breath afterwards, doing Wow, that was easy.

568
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Speaker 1: That was great.

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Speaker 2: So I told you just now that Daniel Vogelback had

570
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Speaker 2: thirty two percent wing percentage before his mental health break.

571
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Speaker 2: Since the break, thirty nine percent wing percentage. Oh goh,

572
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Speaker 2: that's significantly better. And he's whiffing less two twenty three

573
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Speaker 2: percent verus eighteen percent, and he's doing significantly more damage. Beforehand,

574
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Speaker 2: he had a fifty percent hard hit rate and a

575
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Speaker 2: five percent bower rate. Since then he has loathing, loathing,

576
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: great podcasting, same heart hit rate fifty percent, but that

577
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Speaker 2: bower ray jumped up to nine percent, which is now

578
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Speaker 2: a little bit above league average. And you could you

579
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Speaker 2: can really feel it. You could really feel that Daniel

580
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Speaker 2: Vogelback is hitting the ball quite well, and same amount

581
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Speaker 2: of bat the balls before and after about eighty one

582
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Speaker 2: verse seventy six. So something tangible did happen to Danielvogeback

583
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Speaker 2: with that break, And he has been kind of the

584
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Speaker 2: player that we expected him and hoped he would be

585
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Speaker 2: when he was acquired last year.

586
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Speaker 1: Now since now, talk about a player that we'd been

587
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Speaker 1: hoping for I should say, Mets fans have been hoping

588
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Speaker 1: for me. And you knew this forever. We've known how

589
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Speaker 1: good this player was. We've never wavered even for half

590
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Speaker 1: a second, not even for a breath of air. Francisco

591
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Speaker 1: Indoor four hits on the day in Game three, and

592
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Speaker 1: it's just in sain't how good this guy is. He

593
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Speaker 1: is I think right now top five or six in

594
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Speaker 1: F four in all of Major League Baseball. And I

595
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: know there's some of you out there listening. I know it,

596
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: your haters, and I don't know why I can't. I

597
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: can't understand it. But James about to drop some numbers

598
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Speaker 1: on you where you're no longer allowed to hate. You can't.

599
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: You can't do it. It's just stupid at this point.

600
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Speaker 2: You can't. So faciscal indoors Mark just said, sixth in

601
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Speaker 2: all of baseball and F four fourth in National League.

602
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Speaker 2: The only National League players who have been more valuable

603
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Speaker 2: in terms of fangrafts war are Mookie Bets, and in

604
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Speaker 2: this order, Mookie Bets, round the Cooney Junior and Freddie Freeman.

605
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Speaker 2: Oh so the MVP candidates, Yeah, yeah, the three guys.

606
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Speaker 2: One of those three guys going to an MVP so

607
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Speaker 2: Physical Indoors high key going to get MVP votes this

608
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Speaker 2: season after everyone said that he was done, yet everyone's

609
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Speaker 2: gonna be like, Oh, he's just still overpaid. It's still goods,

610
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Speaker 2: garbage time. The games don't matter anymore. Let's go back

611
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Speaker 2: because that only really happened a few weeks ago, when

612
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Speaker 2: the trade deadline happened. You forget that, and we go

613
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Speaker 2: back to a date very often this podcast, Francisco Indoor Season,

614
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Speaker 2: because I feel like we all have to understand that

615
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Speaker 2: these baseball players are not robots. They are all human

616
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Speaker 2: beings as well. And his daughter, Ama Pola was born

617
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Speaker 2: on June seventeenth. Shoutout Ama Polo, shoutout Sofia Baron. Since

618
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Speaker 2: that has happened, Francisco Lindor has hit ten home runs,

619
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Speaker 2: stolen fifteen bases, has a three ten three ninety five

620
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Speaker 2: to forty triple slash, and a one to sixty WRC plus.

621
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Speaker 2: And again, you guys are gonna.

622
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Speaker 1: Say, oh, he's only getting hot because the game doesn't

623
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Speaker 1: matter anymore.

624
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Speaker 2: No, there was six weeks in between that day I

625
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: just said and the trade deadline happening, six total weeks

626
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Speaker 2: and fiscical door was just as good for those six

627
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 2: weeks as he's been to three weeks since then. When

628
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Speaker 2: that happened six seventeen, his full season batting average was

629
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Speaker 2: two to eleven. Right now it's two fifty one. His full

630
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Speaker 2: season WRC plus was ninety five, now it's one twenty two.

631
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Speaker 2: His full season ops in that day was seven oh two.

632
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Speaker 2: Now it's seven to ninety five. That's an unbelievable rise

633
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Speaker 2: of full season stats in only a few short months,

634
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Speaker 2: and it kind of makes the entire beginning of the

635
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Speaker 2: season seem ridiculous. And the crazy thing is, if he

636
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: was even just okay the beginning of the season, he

637
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Speaker 2: would be having the best season of his crew right now.

638
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Speaker 2: And if this Mets team was in position and I

639
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: can better position in the standings, he would also be

640
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: an MVP consideration for the second year in a row,

641
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: second time in three years since he's been a Met.

642
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Speaker 2: It's really, really, really amazing how good he is, how

643
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: consistent he is. I don't think many, not just Mets fans,

644
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: baseball fans really understand it anymore.

645
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Speaker 1: No. I got a video coming out later this week

646
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Speaker 1: on my YouTube channel about most underrated player from every

647
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: single team, and Francisco Lindora is the clear and obvious

648
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: choice from the Mets. It's more of an underappreciation, if anything,

649
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: just baseball fans and even Mets fans in general. There's

650
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of Lindorks still out there, loud and proud.

651
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would be proud of that,

652
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: but absolutely crazy that you can't get behind this guy now,

653
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: so happy he's our franchise shortstop. Ecstatic, thrilled, can't wait.

654
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 2: It's just also, like we keep the contract always comes up,

655
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: people are, yeah, well he should be doing this.

656
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: Okay, well he is doing that.

657
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: So first of all, if you think he should be

658
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: doing something and he is doing it, there's quite literally

659
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: nothing to complain about that, right right, That's what it

660
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: feels like, Okay, and then we say it all the time. See,

661
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: all these other contracts are ridiculus. Skory Seker right now

662
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: is having like legendary season, like one of the best

663
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: we're ever going to see, like probably from a short

664
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: stop history of baseball. I'll give him that short hats

665
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: off to you, Corey Seeker. But in terms of all

666
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: the other contracts have been given out to high profile

667
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: players in the last few years. Fernandatatis junior, You guys

668
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: know what's happened since that contract got given out to him.

669
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: Many Michilda right now is having the worst season of

670
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: his career. We look at Xanderborgox and Trey Turner, two

671
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: other market marquee shortstops were signed through their age forty

672
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: seasonal and Doors only signed through through his age thirty

673
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: seven season. It's a very important three years when you're

674
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: talking about the contract and the value of the player.

675
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: You see a major drop off in hitters that goes on,

676
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: especially like the really elite ones. Like in terms of

677
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: like the hitting aging curve, I think it's kind of

678
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: extended past where we all thought it was for a

679
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: lot of time. And the worst thing that you see

680
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: go away with hitters like in their age but kind

681
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: of drops off between thirty three and thirty five is

682
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: just a chase rate and your ability to make contact

683
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: on those chase pitches like have the athleticis and to

684
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: basically make more pitches waiste pitches keep getting around in

685
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: the fast balls and the elite breaking balls. But Prince

686
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: Glendor has been doing better at that as he's gotten older,

687
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: So there's really no guarantee. That's something's going to get worse.

688
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: And already this year, in terms of fangrefs War, he's

689
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: earned forty million dollars of value, so well well well

690
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: over the thirty four million dollars he's being paid.

691
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: And last year was fifty four.

692
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: Even in the awful twenty twenty one that everyone said

693
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: it was like the worst season ever, couldn't even imagine it,

694
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: he was worth thirty five million dollars in terms of

695
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: fangrats War and their calculation.

696
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: But what's his batting average?

697
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: Even the batting average two fifteen now was bad in

698
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: the league average is probably gonna end up the year

699
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: about two and sixty.

700
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: You know what it was last year? What two seventy? Yeah?

701
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: Really, it's raut a point right now where it's nothing

702
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: else to say about for the school indor. He's one

703
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: of the best players in baseball. He proves it day

704
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: in and day out.

705
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so super happy we got we got to interview him,

706
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: shook his hand, took a picture. He's gonna play for

707
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: this team for the next forever. It's so cool. I

708
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: love it.

709
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: God, he's twenty two home runs, seventy nine runs, seventy

710
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: five RBS twenty one stolen bases on August twentieth.

711
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: See like you can tell me those numbers just right now.

712
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: That's the end of the season. It was a pretty

713
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: good year.

714
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: It's pretty good year for Princess Colondoria. Last year was

715
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: twenty six and sixteen and ninety eight one oh seven.

716
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: Great, not bad. Sign me up every single years.

717
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: He gonna keep all and he just keeps doing another,

718
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: just kept doing it. Jeff, Jeff McNeil's playing with fun,

719
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: playing baseball again. Three more hits in this game, I

720
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: said before one thirty three WSC plus his trade deadline,

721
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: his races batting average over ten points since then as well.

722
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: Seems like he's doing some good stuff again. Yep, kind

723
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: of just hitting the ball wherever it's being pitched. And

724
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I think, again, I'm not gonna have you look up

725
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: these numbers because getting good podcasting here. But I think

726
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: he's been more aggressive too. Again, I felt like he

727
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: was taking a lot of pitches early in the year.

728
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: He was trying to be someone who's not He's Jeff McNeil.

729
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: He's antsy, he's got answer in his pants, he's got

730
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: a little just little shitmy here in there. And he

731
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: swings that first pitches, Who cares.

732
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: He's not walking, he's not striking out, he's making tons

733
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: of contact. Again, he's just putting the ball in play,

734
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: doing his thing. And he's back back up in the

735
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: top of the order and it looks like he's having

736
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: fun doing it. And another big story in this game,

737
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: another guy like he feels amazing talking about all this stuff.

738
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: You're like, wow, listen this podcast, mess Bus must be

739
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: having such an amazing season because allways guys are doing

740
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: great and we keep telling you about him, but Code

741
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: that saying, God, it is so bittersweet how good he is,

742
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: because like the thing going into the year, like that

743
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: was the wildcard, like he was the lynchpin. Like can

744
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: Code saying, be like the most important player in this

745
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: team and like not b most important, I meant like

746
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: become the X factor, Like become the guy who is

747
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: like gonna be the one who's gonna be better in expectations,

748
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 2: be better than projections. And oh my god, seven innings,

749
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: two hits, one run, five more strikeouts. He hasn't allowed

750
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: more in three earned runs and his starting over two

751
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: months little months since that home series, the Cardinals played

752
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: at City field.

753
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: It's it's ridiculous jew.

754
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: And not mad misspoked before I mixed up Mother's Day

755
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: and Father's Day, which is which is rough too much

756
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: time in Brooklyn, but just the fourth in the National League.

757
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: And earned run average fourth in the National League.

758
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: And strike out ray and this whole run by code

759
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: has really been catalyzed by his color. I'm telling you

760
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: guys about this color. For a couple of months, he

761
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: threw that in his fastball almost the exact same amount

762
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: of times on Saturday. It has become by far his

763
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: most trusted in zone pitch, the only one he throws

764
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: in the zone war and sixty five percent of the time.

765
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: And he gets so much self contact with it really

766
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: helps him turn the lineup over.

767
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: It really helps him pitch.

768
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: It has helped him really really pitched deeper into games

769
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: and pitch more of the contact when he has to.

770
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: It's the kind of adjustment that can really turn him

771
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: into and it is turning. He's turning him into a superstar.

772
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you look all over the place too. He's

773
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: got a twenty eight percent k raid on the year,

774
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: which is fourth and in National League behind Freddie Prawl

775
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: to Blake Snell, and Spencer Schreider.

776
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: Who would you just say, I thought you said e

777
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: ra I said both.

778
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: Oh, he said both fourth and both. I'm trying to

779
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: be a stack guy today. That's what I get. So

780
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: I get. I was like, wow, look, how look how

781
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: high up he is? And you were telling me and

782
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't even listening. Good podcasting today, Great podcasting. It's Sunday.

783
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: It's a lazy Sunday. We're doing a remote. You guys know.

784
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: Even Danny Mendick get three hardhood balls in this game

785
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: that was shot out John's favorite player.

786
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: John's favorite player, Danny Mendick. He loves Danny Mendick, but

787
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: he just this was a fun game for the mess.

788
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: This was like one of the high watermarks, like since

789
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: the trade deadline up, everything that's happened and all the

790
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: ways we felt compared to how we felt earlier in

791
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: the season. We're also at this time of the year

792
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: you kind of start to get nostalgic about the baseball season. Yeah,

793
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: because now you start to realize it's actually going to end.

794
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: Every single April and May and Junior're like, we've been

795
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: at baseball every single day the rest of my life.

796
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: It's never gonna end.

797
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 2: And then once the preseason starts playing, start having your

798
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: fancy football drafts, the playoff picture comes into scope. You're like,

799
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: baseball's gonna end. I'm not gonna have to watch nuts

800
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: every day, and it's sad that part sucks, But I

801
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: got that night siredly was a nice moment. We were like,

802
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: Mets baseball is fun.

803
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this, this is what we expected a lot

804
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: of this year, a little bit more than what we saw,

805
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: but great stuff happened. Couldn't get the four game sweep,

806
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, We'll be fine. It was still a great

807
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: series by the Mets. Game four was what we like

808
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: to call it poop fest. Just not a whole lot

809
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: of great going on there. Carlos Grasco did well through

810
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: the first time, struggled after that. Mason win got a

811
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: real hit for the first time in his career because

812
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: his second hit in his career. His second hit was

813
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: also an infield little dribbler as well. He's a great athlete.

814
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a very good player. One of the

815
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: few things Cardinals still know how to draft well, that's

816
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: for sure.

817
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: But they can draft hole and they can develop a hither.

818
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: But I can't foresee them developing a pitcher for a

819
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: long time.

820
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: I think Tin Kents is good. Tin Kent's is good.

821
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: Tin Kent is good. But I just I know that

822
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: they're gonna screw them up.

823
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Well, they're gonna be like too many strikeouts, too much fun,

824
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: should you should you should throw the ball to contact more.

825
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like I'm throwing it down the middle,

826
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: they're swinging missing, and they're like, throw it less hard,

827
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: and that's gonna screw them up. That's gonna be it.

828
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call that one now my anti Cardinals' brain.

829
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, just like a very good game. Grasco, we

830
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: talked about the struggles this year. Really just can't get

831
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: around the lineup once. I feel like he's a guy

832
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: who could really benefit from an opener. Like just not

833
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: face Paul Goldschman Nolan are not on the first inning,

834
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: come into face the fifth hire in the second inning,

835
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: Face those guys once in the second or third inning,

836
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: and then get the heck guy there by the time

837
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: the next time they're coming up, because that's like a time.

838
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: It was the third time that he came up. Goldschmid'

839
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: just like pit one to the movie.

840
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: So and it wasn't even that really bad of a pitch.

841
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: It's just Paul Golschman can get inside on like ninety two.

842
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: It's not that hard. Yeah, he's not even having that

843
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: Govier Like he's coming off the MVP. Season's gonna end

844
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: year with like twenty five homers and like eighty five

845
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: RBIs and two seventy average, just like kind of just

846
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: like be still a great baseball player, but just like

847
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: kind of like kurtailing down to his late thirties. But yeah,

848
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: just wasn't a great game. But we're gonna make it

849
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: a little tight late. We're gonna have a little bit

850
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: of fun. But three out of four is really nice

851
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: way to have a series. Were you were on the

852
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: radio today right, you were listening to Howie.

853
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was listening to Howie So Keith, Keith was

854
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: in like full chill, relax mode today. They were having

855
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: a lot of fun in the booth as always they're

856
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: they're Keith loves Saint Louis obviously as a Cardinals Hall

857
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: of Fame member as well one of the best Cardinals

858
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: to play, which is so funny for a hit club

859
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: that's so rich in history, Keith is also one of

860
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: their best players too. He was talking about he forgot

861
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: his score book today, he forgot his scorecard and he

862
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: was he was like scrambling for him, like where is

863
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: He's like, you know what, I'm gonna relax him and

864
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: enjoy the day, the game today. No score book, no scorecard. Wow,

865
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: that's all.

866
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: It's really loosening it up. And we even forgot to

867
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: mention Keith forgot his his uh, one of his picks

868
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: at eleven shirt on Saturday and he had to get

869
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: a piece of duct table over over the logo for

870
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: the other network that does the Mets games, and he

871
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: was like so embarrassed, he was so bashful. And the

872
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: opening lines carry's like we're gonna talk about the game,

873
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: but first, Keith, did you forget something?

874
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: Keith? And he was all red.

875
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: He's also wearing his red shoes on Friday night, he

876
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: dropped those on the tables Cardinals shoes. Nice forget again,

877
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: I hate the Cardinals, but cool to see Keith crack

878
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: a smile.

879
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a shout out to Jaquen Andehar as well.

880
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: A lot of Joaquin and Ahar talk from Keith, who

881
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: was he was a phenomenal pitcher for the Cardinals in

882
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: the mid to or the mid eighties, where he put

883
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: a back to back eears, finishing fourth in the cy

884
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: Young two hundred and sixty innings each of those years

885
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: with like a three three E R A. I think

886
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: I told you this when we were at City Field

887
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: one because I swear Keith brings up walking in are

888
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: so so much on the broadcast. Then you look at

889
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: the numbers, you go, okay, it guess makes sense in

890
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: some big years for the Cardinals when Keith was there. Yeah.

891
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: Howie also told a really cool story on the broadcast today.

892
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: I just think Saint louis such rich history, especially National

893
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: League history, So these guys who are Mets lifers, they

894
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: just know a lot about the Cardinals. He told the

895
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: story that I'd never heard, thought was really interesting. Have

896
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: you ever heard of Max Laneer nine year so Max

897
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: Lanier Lanier, I'll know how to pronounce it, la n

898
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: I E R. He was a very good Cardinals pitcher

899
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: through the late thirties and early forties. I know, right,

900
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: that's pretty funny when of the best pitchers in baseball

901
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: at the time, Mexico was trying to start a new

902
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: Baseball League, and they were actually offering players more money

903
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: to go play in their league. In nineteen forty six,

904
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 2: they offered Max Laneer off the Cardinals at the time,

905
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: and again this is nineteen forty six, so he was

906
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: six and zero with the one nine, three r rans

907
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: for six starts of the year. They offered them basically

908
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: twice his major league contract to go pitch for them,

909
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: and he was coming off a season nineteen forty three

910
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: where he led the lead the one nine, He had

911
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: fifteen wins, seventeen wins, he had injury riddled nineteen forty five,

912
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: one of the better pitchers in baseball, and he was like, yeah,

913
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take that. But at that time, the reverse

914
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: reserve clause was still in place and the Cardinals had

915
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: his rights, and they said, you absolutely can't do that.

916
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: So he just left and he challenged. He sued the

917
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: Saint Louis Cardinals for his freedom, and he didn pitched

918
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: for three years and eventually did come back to the

919
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: team in nineteen forty nine. So the story, yeah, that's crazy,

920
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: isn't that not. At the top of his game, he

921
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 2: tried to leave major League baseball for more money, which

922
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: we see a lot of athletes doing that now for

923
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: other countries. So it's kind of.

924
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: Interesting with the Saudi League.

925
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say, I was gonna say them on

926
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: the podcast, but yeah, sure, yeah, and then we saw

927
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: neymar just do it. So interesting that a country like

928
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: Mexico was like so fruitful they were trying to start

929
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: their own baseball league in the fourties, and they offered

930
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: one of baseball's best pitchers that he had a major

931
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: legal fight to try and get it. And it's also

932
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: funny that this was almost twenty five years before Kurt

933
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: Flood challenged the reserve clause also as.

934
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: A member of the Saint Louis Cardinals. So the two

935
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: players who tried to undo the way.

936
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: That baseball transactions happen to kind of set the league

937
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 2: in motion to where the way we have player movement

938
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: now both played for the same team that allegedly has

939
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: the best fans of baseball.

940
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah allegedly. We also know that they somehow get a

941
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: mid market draft pick every single year as well.

942
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: So even the old CBA, when they used to give

943
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: teams we were technically mid market, it was an insane rule.

944
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: He used to give these alternate by season, giving a

945
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: competentory first round pick or second round pick, and then

946
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: more money in the international free agent pool. It's ridiculous

947
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: how this team, the christ poor. You know, they ask

948
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: you for money in one hand with a Virginia ham

949
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: N under their arm and the other it's freaking sam

950
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: Lois Cardinals. I hate them, but happy to beat them.

951
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: Happy to beat them. We're also coming up to the

952
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: month of September here, which means September first, I believe

953
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: the rosters expand to twenty eight players. We're currently at

954
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: twenty six, so you get to add two players to

955
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: the roster. You can only have fourteen pitchers on the team.

956
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: And while we'll probably know more and more as the

957
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: weeks go on, just figured just quick a little talk

958
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: here because there's been one pitcher in particular who's been

959
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: pitching so well in the miners guy who maybe get

960
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: to schanton September.

961
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: Maybe, and that pitch is Mike Vassal. And we wanted

962
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: to do this with John because John has some great

963
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: data on Vassal and I'm sure you guys know that

964
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: him and either are doing the Future Flushing podcast, so

965
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: definitely check that out. It comes out basically daily, lots

966
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: of interviews with guys. They did Drew Gilbert interview last week,

967
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: like as a Dog. But check out their podcasts you

968
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: want some more consistent minor league news. But I want

969
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: to talk about Vassal because Vassal has been Triple A

970
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: for a few months now. Triple A we have a

971
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: lot more data than we have in Double A, especially

972
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: data available to the public, so you can see some stuff

973
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: with him. Two starts to go, he took a no

974
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: hitter into the ninth inning, which was like, that was

975
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: a crazy thing. It got broken up there and his

976
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: last started. You pitch well, and you pitched again. On

977
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: Sunday he had another really good start, shutting out the

978
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: Columbus Clippers or giving up one run against the Clippers

979
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: over six innings. But he had a really good start again.

980
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: So he's now kind of found his groove in Triple

981
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: A since making that move up from Double A where

982
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: he struggled at first. And the Mets have a lot

983
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: of candidates for those two extra roster spots. Also, I

984
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: really missed those back in the old days when they

985
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: just call up like fifteen September and used to be

986
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: chaos baseball, like twelve pitching changes, Like keep rotating these.

987
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: Guys through four hour games.

988
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, just get get any twenty one year old double

989
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: A like have him sitting the dug out, you know,

990
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: and feel the game.

991
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: That's when you had Ludance. That's when he had Lugi's

992
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: around too, So you're just like a left he was up.

993
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: Get that. Get that twenty eight year old lefty who

994
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: we called up in the game, whatever his name is,

995
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: get him in there.

996
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: In God, that was that was such chast I can't

997
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: believe how long they did that for, Like that was

998
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: just a regular thing that they would just play forty

999
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 2: man roster in the month of September. But something interesting

1000
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: that I've noticed with Mike Vassil, a guy who's come

1001
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: through the system a lot, basically was a control guy.

1002
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: He is fastball first, fastball heavy. Since he's made the

1003
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: move of Triple A's throwing about sixty percent fastballs, if

1004
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: not a little bit more, and the pitch is getting

1005
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: about thirty percent whiffs when he's throwing it. And it's

1006
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: interesting because there's a lot of pitch data in the

1007
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: minor leagues right in Triple A specifically shout out you know,

1008
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: sarahs if anyone is subscribed to the Athletic, you can

1009
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: get his stuff plus readings, which has proven to be

1010
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: an incredibly useful tool in e valuing pitching over the

1011
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: last few years. They have those per pitch available in

1012
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: Triple A. And while Vasseal throws that fastball a lot

1013
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: and he gets lots of swings and misses on it,

1014
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: it doesn't grade very well and stuff plus it comes

1015
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: out as a blow league average pitch. But I looked,

1016
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: I watched them videos of vas Foald throwing that fastball,

1017
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: and he's a big guy, like sixty five two twenty

1018
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: medi and he gets a lot behind that pitch. He

1019
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: really gets low, and he has a long stride, and

1020
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: he has about fifteen inches of inverted vertical break on

1021
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: that fastball and seven inches of horizontal movement. And I

1022
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 2: just wanted to compare that to pitchers in the major

1023
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: leagues who at least of the similar size to Vassal.

1024
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: Looked like a similar release point. And the closest one

1025
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: I could get just eyeballing is Michael King of the Anchor,

1026
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: who's a bit of a bigger guy. He has a

1027
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: longer arm, he's he's like a long guy. He's not

1028
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: as tall as Vassal, but he kind of releases the

1029
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: ball in a similar spot. It's that lower angle to

1030
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: release a fastball that makes it a little bit harder

1031
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: for the hitters to pick up, which is why I

1032
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: think that vassals pitch gets so good, and King's fastball

1033
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: has great results, and it has pretty good results in

1034
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: that same stuff plus model in the Major League. So

1035
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: I see that and I'm like, Okay, this Vassal thing

1036
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: is serious, and I kind of thought about it more.

1037
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: And the way he fills up the zone with it

1038
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: and uses sixty five percent of the time, it would

1039
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: make sense as to why he struggled initially in Triple

1040
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: A compared to Double A because in Double A they're

1041
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: using the pre tacked baseball in the Eastern League. So

1042
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: when you have that pre tack ball, and we just

1043
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: know based on the way the RPMs are going with

1044
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: Spider Attack the last few years and the type of

1045
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: movement pitchers getting out their fastball, he was probably throwing

1046
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: a much tightert fastball with that angle. He was probably

1047
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: getting more more vertical break, and he was probably getting

1048
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: a lot more whistle with it too, because even like

1049
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: he throws it hard ish, it's not super hards, about

1050
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: ninety four like to ninety four to ninety six, which

1051
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: is better than draft ded. So good work by the

1052
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: mess pitching a lot to get that fastball off up,

1053
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: especially with how important a pitch it has been for him.

1054
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: So really interesting to see that that was his outpitch

1055
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: and his most throwne pitch was definitely using it to

1056
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: miss tons of bats in Double A because his strikeout

1057
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: and walk numbers were like some of the best in

1058
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: Double A we've seen in the last couple of years.

1059
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: And losing that ball now we've discovering that fastball, and

1060
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: I think the next just step for Vassal is like

1061
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: getting that. He's been throwing a color a lot more

1062
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: recently that has gotten really good results, and his curveball

1063
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: grades really well in that same stuff plus model his

1064
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: news of the ton But there was a great video

1065
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: I tweeted out to that he dropped a really nice

1066
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: one on John Kenzi Noel in that game against the

1067
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: Columbus Clippers. The pitch looks like he has a great movement,

1068
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: and when your fastball has like that decent action, like

1069
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 2: the curveball is gonna be one of the best pitches

1070
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: you can use off of it. It kind of it

1071
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: reminds me also a little bit. It definitely doesn't have

1072
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: as much movement of Joe Ryan's fastball where it has

1073
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: a low arm slot. Vassal is a bigger guy, and

1074
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: Joe Ryan's arm flat is so unique that's a little

1075
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: bit off the grid. But it's that same kind of

1076
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: thing where he can throw this fastball a lot and

1077
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: HS just aren't hitting it. And I think that is

1078
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: something that will probably go against the model and I

1079
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: kind of see more importantly because it is getting the

1080
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: results as much as he's using it.

1081
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: Now. I know Christian Javier is smaller than Vassal, but

1082
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: doesn't Xavier have a similar thing where his fastball is

1083
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: kind of un spectacular but it just gets swings and

1084
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: misses or it did. I don't know about this year now.

1085
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: It did, Javier had something and I guess Vassals could

1086
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: have something like this too, where there's when you evaluate

1087
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: these pitchers and the fastball is always the leading pitch

1088
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: you almost want to see like you have to kind

1089
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: of categorize it as like this fastball has good shape

1090
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 2: and good velocity, or this fastball has one or the other,

1091
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: or this fastball has neither. Maybe we have to start

1092
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: throwing a different pitch. And you see a guy like

1093
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: Javier and Eno has used this term before, called the

1094
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: precarious fastball, where I like this fastball because it has

1095
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: really good shape but doesn't ever good velocity. So if

1096
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: that shape winds up coming down a little bit the vloss,

1097
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: he's not good and you're a little bit scared of

1098
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: the fastball. Shoe Halo Tani as good as he is,

1099
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: like he also has a bit of precarious fastball. He

1100
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: throws it so hard. Code that as like this as well.

1101
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: They throw it so hard, but the shape isn't really great,

1102
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: so you're missing a lot of bats with it. We've

1103
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: heard this a lot about New Pirates. First overall draft

1104
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 2: pick Paul Skeens. He started pitching in the minor leagues

1105
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: as well, where people are talking a lot of smack

1106
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: about the shape of Paul skins fastball. But like you

1107
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: ever watched the guy pitch like he throws a hundred

1108
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: and one, Yeah, there was one hundred and one with

1109
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: the same movement, Like guys can hit it. When that

1110
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: fastball eventually becomes ninety five. It probably will get hit

1111
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: a little bit. But Vassal right now has that ninety

1112
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: five and he's throwing it with the really good shape.

1113
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be interesting to see through the development

1114
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: of his secondaries, his off speed pitches, because it definitely

1115
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: won't be in the lead fastball forever, but right now

1116
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: he's using it a lot. He fills up his own

1117
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: with it, he misses a lot of bats with it,

1118
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: and I'm sure John's gonna talk about them more than

1119
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: the next future flushing, because he did just pitch on

1120
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: Sunday and we're gonna have this Vassal conversation last episode,

1121
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 2: but we were just having too much fun talking about

1122
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: SpongeBob in the studio. So in John said he comped

1123
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: him to Garrett Cole, and I'm gonna leave you guys

1124
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: with that. And now check out here you're flushing and

1125
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: tweet that John, why do you think Mike Vassals like

1126
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: Garrett Cole? Because you know he's not gonna listen to

1127
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: this episode. So this is the worth this episode? Is Cole?

1128
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1129
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 2: Cole?

1130
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: Garret Cole? Yeah, he can answer that one. We're not

1131
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: gonna answer that one.

1132
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 2: Yes, no, So that's that's it. That's it for John.

1133
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: That's the Mike Vassal talk, because having that data in

1134
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: triple A is pretty cool and very interesting. Picture is

1135
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: the way he's developed and like how he's come through

1136
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: the system.

1137
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: One hundred pcent would be cool. See him maybe get

1138
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: a chance in September, if you know, the Mets decide

1139
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: to expand the roster and use him. He cool as

1140
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: if he gets a chance. There's a couple other guys

1141
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: that can get chances too. We'll talk about guys as

1142
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: we get a little bit further on closer to September.

1143
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll have an entire episode talking about the

1144
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: guys that get called up eventually. So let's go ahead

1145
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: and go to the estimate. You guys know John isn't here,

1146
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: so we're gonna take this one ourselves. Because John doesn't

1147
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: love us anymore. That's what it is. John doesn't want

1148
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: to hang out. He's got a new love, a new

1149
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: a new kid. It's his it's his own daughter. So

1150
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and say, James one the last one.

1151
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, I did hit the I hit

1152
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: the overall temperature on the money ninety nine and it

1153
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: got to ninety nine during the game, but game time

1154
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: start was ninety four. You had ninety one, so you

1155
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: did beat me, and in classic fashion, when James win,

1156
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: the Mets win. So you guys should be really rooting

1157
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: against me big time. Do you have a whiteboard? I

1158
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: have a whiteboard. I'm gonna let you take it while

1159
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: unbox it a guy who got it from Amazon.

1160
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: You are the one nice as well. Yeah, I have

1161
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: six in a row in the estimate. Whenever I do well,

1162
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: the Mets too well. I was so hot last year

1163
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: we started this thing, and then Mark got hot as

1164
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: the Mets got not hot through September. Really good podcasting episodes.

1165
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: If you guys are on YouTube, you're watching Mark literally

1166
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: unbox his whiteboard right now. But the Mets are heading

1167
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: back to Atlanta this weekend after seeing them last weekend.

1168
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: And you guys, we don't have to previous this series

1169
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 2: very much because you guys know a lot about this team.

1170
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: You know how good they are, you know how ridiculous

1171
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: they are. You know they're still playing as one of

1172
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: the best teams in baseball. You know how much we

1173
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: hate them. I'm sure we're gonna have all the Braves

1174
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: fans flood our YouTube channel when we play them next series,

1175
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: because we're gonna have to potificate about the Braves, and

1176
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: they just love hearing Mark, especially say how much he

1177
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: loves the Braves. Hundreds of YouTube comments till every single

1178
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: time we've had a series the Braves, So.

1179
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: I gotta say the last one though a lot of

1180
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: Braves fans gets. Yeah. They were nice.

1181
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: They were like, we like, you guys are arrivals, Like

1182
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: you guys have had disappointing season. We don't think you're

1183
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: a bad team, Like we're excited to like for this

1184
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: rivalry to get get going again. Which it was like

1185
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: a little patronizing for sure, but still, you know, still

1186
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: it's still a nice thing that like they not you know,

1187
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: not total in bred. I shouldn't have said that. No,

1188
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: you're fine, it's I guess, yeah, all right, we'll see,

1189
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 2: we'll see.

1190
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: So you told them what the estimate was. I didn't

1191
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: tell him, yea, I was waiting for you the unboxed.

1192
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: But the estimate for this episode is going to be

1193
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: Monday's starter for the Braves is old friend Bryce Elder,

1194
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: and our estimate is going to be how many breaking

1195
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: balls will Bryce Elder throw?

1196
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: Because I mean it's we're going breaking we're going sliders.

1197
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: Well, I people call the curveball. It's it says slider,

1198
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: and baseball's bonds. I'm just saying breaking balls to get

1199
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: the full encompassing one. Whichever pitch is, classify that as

1200
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: a breaking ball. That counts on this.

1201
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna have to do some some quick math here.

1202
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: Let's see, uh, how many pitches as you throw a

1203
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: game normally? All right, throws around there, and we got, uh,

1204
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: that number I'm gonna go with.

1205
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: I had my number.

1206
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: I was quick on the way.

1207
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: This was my wheelhouse, so.

1208
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: I was right, Yeah, this is right in your wheelhouse.

1209
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: Hold on, wait, I didn't like that number I picked.

1210
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm racing his whiteboard. I got massive, by the way.

1211
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was gonna be this big.

1212
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: Yeah it looks like almost too big for this. Yeah,

1213
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: it might be a little too. I got my number.

1214
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: You got it all right? Yeah, we're turning around in

1215
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: three two one, ooh, thirty seven, Piazza.

1216
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: I had thirty written originally, and I said I can't,

1217
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: I can't go with thirty Just go thirty one.

1218
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: No, I got thirty seven. He fills up that zone

1219
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: breaking balls. He throws like like thirty five percent breaking balls,

1220
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: and I'm assuming's gonna be one hundred pitches. So that's what.

1221
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: So the number is thirty six point seven percent sliders

1222
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: on Baseball Savant, and he averages about ninety pitches a game.

1223
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: That's pretty muchhere his average has been so I liked

1224
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: going a little under thirty six. Nice, and so that's

1225
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: what we got.

1226
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 2: James thirty seven, Mark thirty one. I'm going to six

1227
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: game Heather with a two game leads. Still have to

1228
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: do my stimate punishment for the first half. Have heard

1229
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 2: no word about if I can get some pin stret

1230
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: baseball pass before this weekend, so it might not happen

1231
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: this weekend. Maybe it happens sometimes it's September, but working

1232
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: on it.

1233
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean, well, John's out here and video

1234
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: has been in France. Me's have been hot though, so

1235
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: you know, stay hot. Been hot.

1236
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah right. The boys around the Mets are hot,

1237
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: and again not much previous Brave series.

1238
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: We just saw them.

1239
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: The pitching matchups are, like I said, Elder versus David

1240
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: Peterson Monday night, seven twenty that Tuesday evening, Charlie Morton

1241
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: for Yep Tuesday Tyler and McGill versus Charlie Morton. It's

1242
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: also something and then Wednesday also seven twenty so late

1243
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: night podcasting on Wednesday night night, Nice Time for you

1244
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: will come back to stay up all all night podcasting

1245
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 2: with us Jasek and Tona versus Spencer's try either. Yeah,

1246
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 2: I don't like them. Some games, We'll see what happens.

1247
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: These are games I'd love a game.

1248
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: I'd love to win. Some games I'd love to beat

1249
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: the Braves. Unfortunate for us, the most overrated player in

1250
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: baseball will probably not be playing, if I had to guess,

1251
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: because I think he's on the il still though he's

1252
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: been rehabbing a little bit, running around a little bit.

1253
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: But uh, Ozzie Albi's out for this series, so I

1254
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: think it. Has your boy been playing, has been has

1255
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: Vaughn been getting some action?

1256
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 2: I'll tell you met my boy, Nick Nikki Lopez, because

1257
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: he has been playing because von Grisom has stonehands and

1258
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: new alarm and he's not a midfielder, and the Braves

1259
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: recognize that, while a lot of other people really think

1260
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: he is. But beside the point, I do want to

1261
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: highlight one player though, who we probably should be talking

1262
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 2: about more because of how good he is. But I've

1263
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: been having some fun with like sample sizes, like doing

1264
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: some stuff this week, and just when guys have bad

1265
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: starts this season, it's really easy to overlook them. And

1266
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: one guy who had a bad start, who is being overlooked,

1267
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: who is not being overlooked anymore, as Michael Harris. You

1268
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: guys can probably remember all the way back in June,

1269
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: the first time we do this series with them, I

1270
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: said he was stinking since that first game against the

1271
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: Mets on June sixth, which he even went oh for

1272
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: four in that game. So I mean I even included

1273
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: that in this sample just to get the whole thing,

1274
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: because since that Mets series, he has a three fifty

1275
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: three eighty five sixty triple slash with a one to

1276
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: fifty WRC plus and nine home runs forty run scored,

1277
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: And those forty runs scored have come with ninety percent

1278
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: of his games hitting out of a nine hole, and he

1279
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: scored forty runs two hundred and forty five playing the

1280
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: appearances they hate.

1281
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: The Braves are so good, I hate them. And since

1282
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: that time, Michael Harris has raised his batting average.

1283
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 2: This is comical. If you're gonna hear this from one

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Speaker 2: sixty eight to eighty seven since June seventh, that is

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Speaker 2: such a that is such one c he was hitting

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Speaker 2: on June seventh and now he's hitting he's hitting to

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Speaker 2: eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: That's out of control. Hate them so much? Isn't ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that so absolutely ridiculously awful? Have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: of a guy who had had two full months of

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00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: being bad and then now he's gonna finish with a

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Speaker 1: three hundred average. Never heard of such a thing.

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Speaker 2: And even now you mentioned Ozzi Abi's not being in

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00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: the line up, Michael Harris is hitting second for this

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Speaker 2: Atlanta Bres team.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, they didn't just loose to the Giants though

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Speaker 1: one er Flora shotout wim More floors and JD. Davis

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Speaker 1: playing good baseball?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, shoutout Jdavi is not playing good baseball. You've seen

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Speaker 2: Ja Davis since like since he's been hit about one

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Speaker 2: ninety two plus. Hate to see it.

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Speaker 1: Shout out win with Flores.

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Speaker 2: Womanfoy is having one of the best season of any

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Speaker 2: play on playing in baseball. It's like baseball's best cat

1305
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: secret now is that Wilmer Flores has like twenty home

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Speaker 2: runs at three hundred bating average. Good for him.

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Speaker 1: That Giants team, you don't.

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Speaker 2: Like him, but they're gonna go back probably, And they

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00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: just they're so annoying. They're they're a little pesky.

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Speaker 1: They will get knocked out instantly. That's a fact. I

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Speaker 1: think they're a little.

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Speaker 2: At ballpens Austin came the super fun But you got

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Speaker 2: anything else you want to say about the Raids? Oh,

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Speaker 2: before we go, I know how we're gonna rile up

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Speaker 2: raise fans next episode.

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Speaker 1: I got it where the Mookie Bets is the m

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Speaker 1: v PA Oh easy, easy choice or Freddy Freeman the guy.

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Speaker 2: That they got rid of? Yeah, I think those two

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00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: with the clear MVPs. And I think I think Ronald Cooney,

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Speaker 2: like you could definitely see his season like kind of

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00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: falling off a little bit. And you can also see

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00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: just the Braves would still win the Vision without him,

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00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: that's clear. Yeah, Mookie bests Dodgers being peril with at

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Speaker 2: Mookie Bets.

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Speaker 1: He is the most valuable player. And Freddy Freeman is

1326
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: the second best first baseman in baseball behind pe A

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Speaker 1: Lonzo exactly.

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Speaker 2: And you know, if if Ronald Coooney was gonna be

1329
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: a position in the MVP, he definitely could have done

1330
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 2: because his teams needed to middle Infiel help this year

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Speaker 2: many times. Yeah, like why why wouldn't he go in

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00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: and play shortstop a second base.

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Speaker 1: Like that his brother? His brother can play short stop

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Speaker 1: in second That's all I'm gonna say. Yeah, right, and

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Speaker 1: also the outfield.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, so, first of all, the Mets have

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00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: the better of Kunya, and Ronald Acunya is like their

1338
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: best player in National League, which is still really good,

1339
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: a lot of the good players the National League, and

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00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: the fourth best is Francisco Indors. So those two like

1341
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: right next to each other in terms of superstar of

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00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: them and then way above them Mookie Bets and Freddy Freeman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair, understandable. Hey, it happens. But uh that's

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Speaker 1: a little preview for you guys for the next episode,

1345
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: because I'm sure it's gonna be a fun one. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys, and we'll catch you on the next episode.

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Speaker 2: Peace peace out, See you guys next time.