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Speaker 2: As well. It feels like the longer your team goes
Speaker 2: before they hire somebody, the worst it's going to get.
Speaker 2: Like if you're a Cowboy fan today and you're going,
Speaker 2: who are we hiring? If you're the Saints, does anybody
Speaker 2: want this job? The Jags? Now the Jets got Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 2: thoughts and prayers, and you start to think, okay, it's
Speaker 2: taken this long. Wait, you're gonna fire your GM in Jacksonville?
Speaker 2: Well wait, why didn't you fire him before the Raiders?
Speaker 2: You gotta fire your coach? Wait? Wait, wait, and then
Speaker 2: you're going to fire your GM. So the longer you wait,
Speaker 2: unless you're waiting for somebody who's in the postseason, it
Speaker 2: feels like the worst it's going to get. We'll talk
Speaker 2: to Albert Brier, the Monday Morning quarterback. He'll set us
Speaker 2: straight on everything that's going on right now. The Bears
Speaker 2: got their guy, they got Ben Johnson. The report that
Speaker 2: the Cowboys didn't even bring him in to interview him,
Speaker 2: or at least do a zoom call with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: The analogy that I'll use is, if I know that
Speaker 2: that girl doesn't want to go out with me, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to ask her to go out with me
Speaker 2: and get embarrassed. Jerry Jones probably thinks Ben Johnson, all
Speaker 2: you young offensive whippers snapper here, you think you could
Speaker 2: come in here and change our culture. I'm the one
Speaker 2: who changes the culture. And that culture is actually the
Speaker 2: culture that never changes. So are you going to hire
Speaker 2: or promote Brian Schottenheimer as the Cowboys new head coach?
Speaker 2: And if that's the case, there are reports they're going
Speaker 2: to promote the offensive coordinator his father borderline Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame coach. Maybe is a Hall of Fame coach, and
Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer feels like a Cowboys coach. Hey, come on in,
Speaker 2: you get the title. But you, Brian, you know the drill.
Speaker 2: I'm the coach. I'm the captain now. So he already
Speaker 2: knows that going in. If you bring in Brian Johnson,
Speaker 2: Brian Johnson's going to be like Ben Johnson, He's gonna
Speaker 2: be like, I got autonomy here. If you don't bring
Speaker 2: in the number one offensive minded person who was available
Speaker 2: in the off season and you could zoom call the
Speaker 2: Bears didn't fly in Ben Johnson, he zoomed, Which is weird. Though,
Speaker 2: You're going to hire somebody and they don't even take
Speaker 2: a tour of the facilities. I thought that that was
Speaker 2: kind of strange. But Ben Johnson showing a little personality
Speaker 2: yesterday as he was sworn in as the new head
Speaker 2: coach of the Chicago Bears, and he talked about his
Speaker 2: expectations for his team.
Speaker 3: Get comfortable being uncomfortable. The bar has been set higher
Speaker 3: than it's ever been set before. The only way for
Speaker 3: this team and for you is individual players to reach
Speaker 3: your potential is to be pushed and to be challenged.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what I and my staff plan on doing.
Speaker 3: Our mission starting the spring is to win, and to
Speaker 3: win now.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, let's go, got T shirts and banners. Get comfortable
Speaker 2: being uncomfortable? Yeah, I don't know what it means, but yeah,
Speaker 2: we're ready. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Seton Does he deliver everything like he's reading it off
Speaker 4: a sheet wild paper?
Speaker 2: Oh well, This is what he thought of the Bearers
Speaker 2: this past season while he was in Detroit.
Speaker 3: Going into this season, I felt like this place was
Speaker 3: a sleeping giant. To be honest with you, I personally
Speaker 3: was more concerned about the Chicago Bears than was anybody
Speaker 3: else in this division. Now, there's a number of reasons
Speaker 3: why that did not unfold, all right, which that's why
Speaker 3: I'm here. I'll get to the bar attom of that
Speaker 3: and we'll see if we can't get that corrected and
Speaker 3: cleaned up.
Speaker 2: Okay, whatever that meant. He talked about taking his family
Speaker 2: to the Cubs games. Oh, he's one of us. We
Speaker 2: love the Cubs, he's one of us. Our prayers have
Speaker 2: been answered.
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Speaker 2: college basketball coming up tonight. The Miami Heat have suspended
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler again. He's doing his best to get traded,
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Speaker 2: that at his age. You know the Phoenix Suns. They're
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Speaker 2: you that much? I mean I never would have brought
Speaker 2: in back Bradley Beal. I mean fifty million dollars. If
Speaker 2: Bradley Beal's playing out there in the field house here,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go out there and see him and no offense.
Speaker 2: But he just he's he's a guy that you go, wow,
Speaker 2: he scored a lot of points in his career.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you could no offense that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably is there somebody named Noah Fence in America?
Speaker 2: The Sons are playing five hundred ball, but Jimmy Butler
Speaker 2: wants to get paid. What is he thirty five thirty six?
Speaker 6: Yes, Marvin and Bradley Beal also has a no trade
Speaker 6: clause on his contract.
Speaker 2: Which makes it even worse.
Speaker 6: It's like him and Lebron. I think those are orange
Speaker 6: players in the NBA, because that's why put in the
Speaker 6: same category.
Speaker 2: Yes Ron, Yeah, yeah, can't move him all right? Eight
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Speaker 2: and the Saints. Those are the openings. We'll talk to
Speaker 2: Albert Breer about that. The college football Title game ratings
Speaker 2: were down. Probably a couple of reasons for that. As
Speaker 2: we said, you know, a Monday night after football games
Speaker 2: over the weekend. Inauguration was that night. I can see
Speaker 2: why they would be even though you do have Ohio
Speaker 2: State and Notre Dame. Imagine if you didn't have Ohio
Speaker 2: State and or Notre Dame in there. But the ratings
Speaker 2: were down. Not surprised. They got to fix that. You know,
Speaker 2: college football has This is an interesting offseason. It's not
Speaker 2: the most important offseason. I think that'll be the following
Speaker 2: year when they decide what they're going to do. As
Speaker 2: far as expanding the playoffs, maybe to fourteen, I think
Speaker 2: they got to get the seating down. Just because you
Speaker 2: win your conference doesn't mean that you get a first round.
Speaker 2: By me. Some things that they can clean up here.
Speaker 2: But the contract, the new contract goes into effect in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. But as far as the national title game,
Speaker 2: we suggested, why not on a Thursday night prior to
Speaker 2: the divisional games. You know, there was such a long
Speaker 2: stretch in between and your I don't know, you just
Speaker 2: kind of you lose that. You get lost in that
Speaker 2: vortex that's known as the NFL. But the ratings, the
Speaker 2: ratings were down, and I think you got to you
Speaker 2: got to change that. Now there was a blowout right
Speaker 2: in front of us, and you might have tuned out
Speaker 2: of that game. But ESPN announced yesterday that uh twenty
Speaker 2: two million viewers. That's the most watched non NFL sporting
Speaker 2: event over the past year, but a twelve percent drop
Speaker 2: from the twenty five million that tuned in from Michigan
Speaker 2: over Washington in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7: Stat of the.
Speaker 2: Day, stat of the day, Best stat of the Day's
Speaker 2: stat of the day.
Speaker 8: Here comes that?
Speaker 2: What stat of the day. Here's something for you from
Speaker 2: a source. The Big ten and SEC everybody, the athletic
Speaker 2: directors are meeting in New Orleans February nineteenth, So that's
Speaker 2: going to take place before the college football playoff meetings.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna discuss everything that's going on there. And
Speaker 2: I think you want to get that championship game fixed.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna have conference title games? The fact the
Speaker 2: ACC came out and said we don't want our conference
Speaker 2: champion the regular season champ to play in the conference
Speaker 2: title game because we don't want them to play one
Speaker 2: more game in case they lose that game, your best team,
Speaker 2: then they don't get seated as high as you would like.
Speaker 2: I think the ACC had the eleventh and twelfth seeded
Speaker 2: teams in the playoffs this year with SMU and Clemson,
Speaker 2: but I think you would have the second in third
Speaker 2: place teams play in the conference championship game instead of
Speaker 2: the team that's the best team in the ACC. Now,
Speaker 2: Setan came up with some logic attached to this of
Speaker 2: why the ACC would do this, because at first I thought, boy,
Speaker 2: they're desperate to try to do something, and then Setan said, no,
Speaker 2: there might be some logic attached to this, and they
Speaker 2: might be using another model in another sport. You're going
Speaker 2: to protect the winning team. Setan, if you'd like to
Speaker 2: explain what you think the ACC is doing with having
Speaker 2: these second and third place teams play for their conference
Speaker 2: championship game, Well, what they do.
Speaker 4: In soccer is say in England, right, you have the
Speaker 4: Premier League, which is the top, and then you have
Speaker 4: a championship which is just below that, and they have
Speaker 4: promotion and relegations. So the top three teams from championship
Speaker 4: go up to the Premier League every year, and the
Speaker 4: bottom three from the Premier League go down to championship
Speaker 4: every year. But the way that they'll do the promotion
Speaker 4: part of it to get from championship up to the
Speaker 4: Premier League is the top two teams in the league
Speaker 4: automatically advance, and then there's a playoff for the third spot,
Speaker 4: so you basically reward the teams that did the best.
Speaker 4: Every game matters. Every game is important. You have to
Speaker 4: win your games, you have to win the league. Winning
Speaker 4: the league is still very important, but if you want
Speaker 4: to get promoted, there's a playoff for the third spot
Speaker 4: rather than the first spot.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for relegation in college football if anybody
Speaker 2: is going to attack the NFL for popularity. If I
Speaker 2: put relegation in where you're watching games that you would
Speaker 2: never watch, but now all of a sudden there's relegation,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. That's when every game counts. Because I
Speaker 2: remember when I said I'm all for twelve team playoff.
Speaker 2: It'll make the regular season even more valuable, and that
Speaker 2: proved to be true. Every game mattered because more teams
Speaker 2: were getting into the postseason or the opportunity to get
Speaker 2: a chance to play in the postseason. They're going to
Speaker 2: expand that. They know the money that's attached to that.
Speaker 2: But if you said there was relegation, Let's say North
Speaker 2: Dakota State winning this year was going to get promoted
Speaker 2: and they're going to go into the Big Twelve. And
Speaker 2: let's say Baylor gets relegation. Oh, I don't know, throw
Speaker 2: out a team, but just having that, let's say the
Speaker 2: two teams that play, you know, like it's Montana State
Speaker 2: against North Dakota State, and both teams get promoted, and
Speaker 2: then you'll have relegation. What if you had just forty
Speaker 2: schools and then every year two went up and two
Speaker 2: went down. Yeah, seton that.
Speaker 4: Soccer is the most popular sport in every country that
Speaker 4: has promotion and relegation, and if it doesn't, then the
Speaker 4: sport tends to suffer a bit. I really believe that
Speaker 4: if college football was to institute pro rel it would
Speaker 4: in five years it would probably be the most popular
Speaker 4: sport in the country. Wow, it just you just can't
Speaker 4: replicate the dynamics of what it means to move up
Speaker 4: and what it means to move down. You just you
Speaker 4: can't compare it to anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 9: You put the national title game like Ohio State Notre Dame,
Speaker 9: eight o'clock on a Saturday, but three o'clock on that
Speaker 9: Saturday is Montana State versus North Dakota State or whatever.
Speaker 9: The FCS title game is a lot of eyeballs, like
Speaker 9: you said you own that day. That'd be fantastic. And
Speaker 9: by the way, the last place team in the Big
Speaker 9: Twelve this year was Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, wow?
Speaker 5: Can you imagine a big money squad like that?
Speaker 2: I'm going down forty, I'm a man, and I'm relegated.
Speaker 10: Yes, dud, could you put the four screens up of
Speaker 10: the teams that are most likely to be relegated, just
Speaker 10: like they do in the tournament to see if you
Speaker 10: get in and what you see it is and see
Speaker 10: the emotional reactor to your relegating.
Speaker 2: I love that. I think you could. College football has
Speaker 2: got some changes, you know, they know that they need
Speaker 2: to come up with changes. They need to come up
Speaker 2: up with something that says they know what the changes
Speaker 2: are that they need to make. But I think it's
Speaker 2: an interesting offseason. All right. We will come up with
Speaker 2: a poll question today at least for the first hour,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to Albert Breer, the Monday morning quarterback.
Speaker 2: What exactly are the Jags doing? Well, what are the
Speaker 2: Raiders doing? What are the Cowboys doing? Did the Jets
Speaker 2: get their guy? We'll come back try to answer all
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Speaker 2: Play of the Day coming up. Get to your phone calls.
Speaker 2: How about we settle on a poll question. Also, there
Speaker 2: was some big news yesterday, and there was a big
Speaker 2: news that had to do with the top of the draft.
Speaker 2: Yesterday morning, Travis Hunter was plus fourteen hundred to be
Speaker 2: the number one overall pick. Cam Ward was the favorite.
Speaker 2: The Titans head of football Operations Chad Brinker stated, we
Speaker 2: won't pass on a generational talent with the first pick
Speaker 2: in the NFL Draft. Well, guess who shot up to
Speaker 2: number two on the favorites to go number one? Cam
Speaker 2: Ward is plus one oh five. Travis Hunter went from
Speaker 2: plus fourteen hundred to plus one forty. Then it's Shador
Speaker 2: Sanders Abdul Carter Penn State is fourth on that list.
Speaker 2: So it feels like the Titans with the number one
Speaker 2: pick in the draft are going to take a generational talent,
Speaker 2: and I would think that would be Travis Hunter, not
Speaker 2: cam Ward. But you're going to get artificial inflation with
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks because just the need some teams are going
Speaker 2: to have to get a quarterback. That doesn't mean they
Speaker 2: should be taking number one or number two, number three,
Speaker 2: even in the top five. And usually I'll look at
Speaker 2: where mel Kiper and some of these experts have players ranked,
Speaker 2: and your quarterbacks won't be in the top ten as
Speaker 2: far as they're ranking, but that doesn't mean they won't
Speaker 2: go in the top five. We'll talk to Albert Breer,
Speaker 2: the Monday Morning quarterback. He'll join us. Coming up in
Speaker 2: a moment. All right, Seaton Poll question for hour one,
Speaker 2: what are you thinking about?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 4: I got one here, which would you rather your team higher?
Speaker 4: An offensive coordinator or a defensive coordinator. I always feel
Speaker 4: like I get more into like, oh, hell yeah, they
Speaker 4: got the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: The Lions like, damn, that's a great high.
Speaker 4: Oh you got the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Uh, well that's cool. That'll know, that'll be good. That'll
Speaker 2: be good, but you still win with defense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just doesn't get me exciting.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4: You know what, We're gonna win a lot of games
Speaker 4: ten to seven and it's gonna be awesome. You're gonna
Speaker 4: take it all the way to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Like everybody gets caught up on offense, but it comes
Speaker 2: down to defense, certainly this time of the year. Philadelphia
Speaker 2: good defense, I mean, Kansas City really good defense here.
Speaker 2: But I you know, we love the offense. We love
Speaker 2: to have the shiny objects they and Ben Johnson's gonna
Speaker 2: be dialing things up for Caleb Williams. You'll have to
Speaker 2: win the line of scrimmage, offensive defensive line. That's what
Speaker 2: football is all about. Will always be that way. And
Speaker 2: I always go back to when the Patriots roughed up
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes in this or I should say Tampa rough
Speaker 2: them up in the Super Bowl. It's because they dominated
Speaker 2: the offensive line dominated and Patrick Mahomes was just an
Speaker 2: average quarterback. Now, not everybody can do that, but when
Speaker 2: you can do that, when you win the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: Ohio State won the line of scrimmage against Notre Dame
Speaker 2: offensive and defensive. That's what this is all about. You
Speaker 2: can have great players, you must have great offensive and
Speaker 2: defensive lines. Yes, but I would so.
Speaker 4: Much rather watch a game where a team wins forty
Speaker 4: eight to forty two, oh then seven nothing.
Speaker 2: Well okay, But if I said your team's gonna win,
Speaker 2: but they're gonna win and seven to nothing, or they're
Speaker 2: going to lose forty eight to forty.
Speaker 4: Two, well, I don't know who anybody who would pick
Speaker 4: losses for their team.
Speaker 2: Well, just the regular season game for entertainment. That's probably
Speaker 2: a more enjoyable experience for anybody universally. He's probably forty
Speaker 2: eight forty two than seven to nothing. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: about winning. It's not about style points. And I would
Speaker 2: I want somebody to that's going to change the culture.
Speaker 2: I don't want an offensive or defensive I mean Dan Campbell,
Speaker 2: what was he a tight ends coach? His specialty was
Speaker 2: what changing the culture? That's what I want. So Ben
Speaker 2: Johnson can be an offensive genius there. You got to
Speaker 2: change the culture. That's the hard part. Sean McVay is
Speaker 2: an offensive minded guy, but he's got a culture about him.
Speaker 2: There's certain coaches and I think that's really important. Mike Vrabel's,
Speaker 2: you know, brought in not to be a defensive minded guy.
Speaker 2: He's brought in to change the culture, and that's the difference.
Speaker 2: Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterbacks senior NFL reporter, joining
Speaker 2: us on the program. All right, let me start with
Speaker 2: the Jaguars. What is Jacksonville doing.
Speaker 8: Doesn't seem like they know themselves.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 13: I think the fact that the owner isn't around a
Speaker 13: lot probably affected this process. And you know, I think
Speaker 13: he wanted somebody to help him. Shad con did with
Speaker 13: the with the coaching search, which I think in the
Speaker 13: past has been why you've seen a bunch of half measures.
Speaker 13: In the decade and a half that he's on the team,
Speaker 13: he's only done a clean sweep once, despite a lot
Speaker 13: of losing, and that was a long time ago. He
Speaker 13: didn't want to go it alone, so he holds on
Speaker 13: to Trent Balki, and after two weeks they realize what
Speaker 13: I think everyone had known all along, which was Trent
Speaker 13: Balki was a serious impediment towards them getting the the
Speaker 13: right head coach, and there were a lot of coaches
Speaker 13: who didn't want to work with Trent based on his
Speaker 13: past history, based on the clashes that he had with
Speaker 13: a bunch of different people over the years. You want
Speaker 13: to go back to San Francisco, Jim Harbaugh, you know,
Speaker 13: more recently, obviously Doug Peterson there over the last couple
Speaker 13: of years, and some issues that he had with Peterson
Speaker 13: and his staff.
Speaker 8: And so where is it.
Speaker 13: Sixteen days later, seventeen days later, they're sort of hitting reset,
Speaker 13: starting over again.
Speaker 8: Now they really like Robert Salad, who will be in
Speaker 8: there tomorrow for a second interview.
Speaker 13: I think there's a chance they open it back up
Speaker 13: and you know, maybe bring guys like Joe Brady back
Speaker 13: next week.
Speaker 8: But obviously now they've got.
Speaker 13: To concurrently run a general manager search as well, and
Speaker 13: I think that sort of resets the whole process. And
Speaker 13: you know, I think then you see guys like like
Speaker 13: Ian Cunningham coming in.
Speaker 8: To interview for the job.
Speaker 13: The thing that sucks there is that you've taken some
Speaker 13: viable candidates off the table on that end too, you know,
Speaker 13: whereas on the head coach.
Speaker 8: Side, now Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 13: Mike Frable, guys who might have had an interest in
Speaker 13: the job of Trent Balki hadn't been there or off
Speaker 13: the table.
Speaker 8: Now you know qualified.
Speaker 13: General manager candidates like Mike Borganzi and Tennessee, John spy
Speaker 13: Tech and Vegas who are off the table as well.
Speaker 2: What's to say about Trevor Lawrence. I think that's the
Speaker 2: bigger picture that any any coaches coming in wants to
Speaker 2: know the quarterbacking situation. You would think that would have
Speaker 2: been a positive for Jacksonville to have Trevor Lawrence, that
Speaker 2: you would have the coaches would be running for that job,
Speaker 2: that you got your franchise quarterback. I think it says
Speaker 2: a lot about Trevor Lawrence in this situation.
Speaker 8: I think it says more about Trent Balki, don't you.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, yes, I was shocked that they were
Speaker 2: going to keep him. I can I can replace a GM,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to replace Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 13: Yeah, And I think like that's a yeah, and that's
Speaker 13: part of it. Of course, there's some different opinions on
Speaker 13: Trevor Lawrence, but I think everybody agrees to these talented
Speaker 13: and you can win with him. Now, you know, is
Speaker 13: he worth fifty five million dollars a year?
Speaker 8: You might get some diversion.
Speaker 13: Opinions on that, and I think as he came into
Speaker 13: the league, he I would say, as he came into
Speaker 13: the league, you know, like there was a feeling that
Speaker 13: this guy's more raw than anyone really thought. And it
Speaker 13: was a result of playing a pretty in a pretty
Speaker 13: simplistic offense at Clemson. He had played a lot of
Speaker 13: football there, but you know, he wasn't doing a lot
Speaker 13: of NFL things there and obviously playing on a supreme,
Speaker 13: supremely talented team as well. So I think he's got ability,
Speaker 13: you know that that that's for sure. The physical traits
Speaker 13: are all there. The question is can you get him
Speaker 13: to that next level? And I mean, look like you know,
Speaker 13: in the in the AFC.
Speaker 8: Right now, I'd argue you've got maybe.
Speaker 13: The four best players in the sport at that position
Speaker 13: in Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 13: And so is Trevor Lawrence good enough to break through
Speaker 13: that glass ceiling? I think that's a fair question to ask.
Speaker 2: All right, what are the Cowboys doing?
Speaker 13: Another one where I'm not sure they are even quite sure,
Speaker 13: which is mind blowing to me because they had a
Speaker 13: year to prepare for this Dan, you know, like I.
Speaker 8: It was no secret.
Speaker 13: You know, they were the ones that created this situation
Speaker 13: for themselves where Mike McCarthy was in a contract year.
Speaker 13: I actually believe that if if he had term left
Speaker 13: on his contract, they would have held on to him
Speaker 13: for another year. But because they created that situation for themselves,
Speaker 13: things got awkward after the year, there's no real negotiation,
Speaker 13: and they cut it off, you know, eight days after
Speaker 13: other teams are already into their coaching searches, and so
Speaker 13: they went into this thing behind and they were playing
Speaker 13: catch up. You know, it kind of cut them off
Speaker 13: from talking to the Lions assistance and the chiefs assistants
Speaker 13: when you know other teams were doing that and now
Speaker 13: you see them leaning back on familiarity and you know
Speaker 13: the names are different, of course.
Speaker 2: But why aren't they interviewing ben Jonson? Why didn't they
Speaker 2: zoom ben Jonson?
Speaker 8: Because it's too late.
Speaker 13: They didn't have a chance to because because the rules say,
Speaker 13: if you're like for the for the teams that had
Speaker 13: the buys right Lions and Jeefs, that windows only open
Speaker 13: through the wildcard rounds.
Speaker 2: So but they put themselves in this position though Albert.
Speaker 8: Right then that's what I'm saying. They created that situation
Speaker 8: for themselves.
Speaker 13: Like if they had said on Monday of whatever the
Speaker 13: date was, the Monday after the season, if they had
Speaker 13: just said, all right, like that's it, we're walking away
Speaker 13: from Mike McCarthy, and they certainly could have gone and
Speaker 13: talked to Ben Johnson. I think Mike Frabel would have
Speaker 13: been really interested in that job. And part of the
Speaker 13: reason why the Patriots moved as fast as they did
Speaker 13: was that they knew there was a relationship there between
Speaker 13: Rabel and the Joneses, and the Joneses would have been
Speaker 13: really interested in Mike Frable.
Speaker 2: You're making this even worse for Cowboys that they didn't
Speaker 2: get rid of Mike McCarthy, so they could have interviewed
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, and Mike Brabel probably would have been interested
Speaker 2: in taking that job other than that enjoying Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 2: as your new head coach.
Speaker 13: But I think, like to me, isn't the tell though, Dan,
Speaker 13: like who they're looking at?
Speaker 1: Like, what do you do?
Speaker 8: If you're really lost?
Speaker 13: You'll lean back on familiarity, right Deon Sanders, Kellen Moore,
Speaker 13: Brian Shott, I'm or Jason Witten like the names that
Speaker 13: you're hearing here are all names they're familiar with, which
Speaker 13: is exactly what you would do if you didn't have
Speaker 13: a plan, right, Like, so you know, it's just it's
Speaker 13: I don't know, I mean, like looking at where that
Speaker 13: team is, They're in a funky spot from a contract standpoint.
Speaker 8: Obviously it's just signed Dak and Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 13: They're they're in for another big one this offseason with
Speaker 13: Micah Parsons, and that's going to be a big box decision,
Speaker 13: you know, I think waiting on him. You know, now
Speaker 13: he's going to ask for forty million dollars a year,
Speaker 13: and you know, I'd say as a player, he's certainly
Speaker 13: worth it.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 13: So they're they're they're in this weird spot from a
Speaker 13: team standpoint, and like now you look at where they're at,
Speaker 13: I mean, is the answer for them what they did
Speaker 13: in two thousand and seven when they brought back Jason
Speaker 13: Garrett and Jason Garrett was.
Speaker 8: Sort of the coach and waiting and then they had.
Speaker 13: Wade Phillips as the experienced hand there is that what
Speaker 13: they're gonna wind up doing with Brian schottenheim Er, Jason
Speaker 13: Witten are they going to go back to the well
Speaker 13: with Kellen Moore, which would kind of be what the
Speaker 13: plan had been a few years ago, that that Callen
Speaker 13: Moore would be the future head coach of the Cowboys.
Speaker 13: Do they really take a swing and do Dion Sanders.
Speaker 13: I mean, all the names you're hearing now, their names
Speaker 13: are familiar with and I just you know, you do
Speaker 13: have to question whether or not there's there they're thinking
Speaker 13: has gotten way too insular there.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Albert Breer the Monday Morning Quarterback. The
Speaker 2: m m QB dot com is where you can find
Speaker 2: his articles. The Raiders. Tom Brady doesn't lose very often,
Speaker 2: but it feels like he lost out on Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: And what that now means, you know, another organization, Hey,
Speaker 2: we fired the coach dot dot dot dot, and we
Speaker 2: fired the general manager. And it felt like they were
Speaker 2: making they were paving the way for Ben Johnson to
Speaker 2: come in and say, hey, you're gonna be able to
Speaker 2: run this team where we're gonna get a GM that
Speaker 2: you can work with.
Speaker 8: But yep, that was certainly Yep, that was certainly the case.
Speaker 13: And I I heard I'd heard that Brady was enamored
Speaker 13: with with Don Johnson and really like the idea Ben Johnson,
Speaker 13: and Ben was going to turn down that interview, and
Speaker 13: Brady making calls and presenting a compelling vision was the
Speaker 13: reason why he took the interview. You know, my understanding
Speaker 13: was like Ben really loved the vision that Brady put
Speaker 13: in front of him when they did have a chance
Speaker 13: to talk, and you know, Brady made a real run
Speaker 13: at it. And yeah, I think pieces of this or
Speaker 13: that the comfort for Johnson, for Ben Johnson being in
Speaker 13: the Midwest and his family is very comfortable in Detroit.
Speaker 13: Chicago is not that much different of a place if
Speaker 13: you're raising a family, and then you know, finding a
Speaker 13: comfort level with the with the front office and and
Speaker 13: with ownership there, and then you know, you wind up landing.
Speaker 13: You're landing in a spot that does have a young
Speaker 13: quarterback in Caleb Williams. So I think Brady was kind
Speaker 13: of climbing uphill on that one and almost made it.
Speaker 13: But you know that that you know, not not landing
Speaker 13: the guy forces you to pivot.
Speaker 8: And and now he goes back into his.
Speaker 13: Past and brings in the guy he's really familiar with,
Speaker 13: in John Spytek, to help him out. I think that
Speaker 13: like sort of creates a reset for them a little
Speaker 13: bit on the coaching search. Spy Tech's a guy who's
Speaker 13: I think, you know, along with Mike Borganzi. Like those
Speaker 13: two guys were very very ready the last couple of years.
Speaker 13: There were a lot of people that were stunned that
Speaker 13: they hadn't gotten jobs yet. And spy Tech's pretty close
Speaker 13: with Brady. They played together at Michigan, and that's been
Speaker 13: a little overblown. They didn't really know each other very
Speaker 13: well then Brady was the starting quarterback, spy Tech was
Speaker 13: on the scout team. But over the three years they
Speaker 13: were together in Tampa, spy Tech actually ran the Tuesday
Speaker 13: meeting that Belichick used to run for Brady and New
Speaker 13: England that Nick Cassario used to run for Brady in
Speaker 13: New England, where you're looking at the next week's opponent,
Speaker 13: So meeting every week, breaking down the opponent a week ahead,
Speaker 13: like all that stuff that he would that those two
Speaker 13: were doing together, they were able to form a little
Speaker 13: bit of a bond. And so when the door closes
Speaker 13: on Ben Johnson, Brady you know, went and got a
Speaker 13: guy who really respects in spy Tech, and now I
Speaker 13: think they reset the coaching search a little bit, and
Speaker 13: we'll see where they go with that.
Speaker 2: Better higher what the Jets did or what the Bears did.
Speaker 13: I really liked what the Jets did. I like both guys.
Speaker 13: Both guys I think will be really a good will
Speaker 13: be good head coaches. I just look at like where
Speaker 13: the Jets are at.
Speaker 8: And I think the Jets I think this was correct.
Speaker 13: I've been very critical of the Jets over the last
Speaker 13: few months. I think the Jets got something right here
Speaker 13: in that. I think Mike Tannebaum, being a guy who'd
Speaker 13: been there before, some of the executives maybe looking a
Speaker 13: little bit in the mirror, they realize, like, we need
Speaker 13: somebody who's going to embrace being here, and we need
Speaker 13: somebody who's going to embrace the spotlight of New York.
Speaker 13: And we need somebody who understands the dynamics of working
Speaker 13: in this franchise and the narratives that get spun out there,
Speaker 13: and the fact that everybody thinks for our service.
Speaker 8: We need somebody who's going to embrace the challenge of that.
Speaker 13: And they've had a lot of guys over the last
Speaker 13: couple of decades that have come in there and said
Speaker 13: they were going to do that, but then in the
Speaker 13: end have sort of chafed against it, you know what
Speaker 13: I mean, Like, and I've really chafed against the dynamics
Speaker 13: that exist in that franchise.
Speaker 8: And so I think.
Speaker 13: Going and finding somebody who's gonna embrace the challenge of that,
Speaker 13: who understands the challenge of that, and the guy who's
Speaker 13: a first round pick there and played a bunch of
Speaker 13: years there.
Speaker 8: I think they got this one right.
Speaker 13: And I think if you spend five minutes around Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 13: he screams head coach. So I really like what the
Speaker 13: Jets did there, and I look like I think the
Speaker 13: Bears got it right too, Like I think Ben Johnson's
Speaker 13: got got a got a great future as a head coach.
Speaker 13: But I think just as far as like if you're
Speaker 13: talking about what a franchise needs, I think the Jets
Speaker 13: got exactly what.
Speaker 8: They needed in hiring Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 2: What about the Saints, Yeah, that's another one.
Speaker 13: You know, like they've sort of leaned up familiarity a
Speaker 13: little bit there, you know, like the snowstorm has affected
Speaker 13: some things. They're gonna they're gonna have Anthony Weaver back
Speaker 13: in there. You know, they're they're trying to get Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 13: and over the weekend, this one sort of seems like
Speaker 13: it might be McCarthy to me. You know, McCarthy didn't initially,
Speaker 13: Like initially McCarthy just took the trip to Chicago. I
Speaker 13: think McCarthy was a little bit more focused on the
Speaker 13: Chicago job, you know. But just you know, with Mickey
Speaker 13: Loomis there and and and the roster being what it
Speaker 13: is and where it is right now. I you know,
Speaker 13: I think after you strikeout on Aaron Glenn, who I
Speaker 13: would say was probably their first choice, you look at
Speaker 13: it and you say, okay, like what can we do
Speaker 13: to sort of stabilize the franchise and and and get
Speaker 13: ourselves in a position where maybe we can win a
Speaker 13: little bit with the current cores, but then we're going
Speaker 13: to be set up to move on from that core
Speaker 13: and rebuild. And Mike McCarthy's volume of experience I think
Speaker 13: really helps him there. He of course was there in
Speaker 13: Green Bay when they went from from Brett Farv to
Speaker 13: Aaron Rodgers. He really had a huge hand in developing
Speaker 13: Aaron Rodgers. And so, you know, if you're looking at
Speaker 13: a situation where you've got an older quarterback, and you
Speaker 13: know you're looking to turn the page in a lot
Speaker 13: of spots in your roster. I think you do a
Speaker 13: lot worse than Mike McCarthy. So McCarthy makes a lot
Speaker 13: of sense to me. Here's the other thing. I just
Speaker 13: think perception of McCarthy's kind of screwed up. What his
Speaker 13: resume next to Mike Tomlins. What's the difference.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've said it before. I think we just have
Speaker 2: this when we see Mike McCarthy, it doesn't scream head coach.
Speaker 2: You look at Mike Tomlins.
Speaker 8: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Physical appearance right, absolutely, Sean Payton, Oh, he looks like
Speaker 2: a head coach. Mike Tumblin looks like a head coach.
Speaker 2: John Harball head coach. Wait, who's that guy? I mean
Speaker 2: Andy Reid fought through this. Yeah, where we looked at
Speaker 2: Andy Reid and you're like, that looks like the kool
Speaker 2: aid guy, Like, he doesn't look like a coach. And
Speaker 2: I think McCarthy as well. The optics. But you know,
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to get a job, but
Speaker 2: I didn't know if it was going to be New Orleans.
Speaker 2: So that it feels like the game of me.
Speaker 8: He was there.
Speaker 13: Here's the other thing is like he worked with Mickey
Speaker 13: Loomis for five years and I do think like they
Speaker 13: wanted to be open minded there. And look, I think
Speaker 13: Joe Brady's a good candidate there too. He's another one
Speaker 13: like where you look at him. He's got experience with
Speaker 13: the franchise and everything else. But you know, I think
Speaker 13: our own personal experiences are a are always a factor.
Speaker 13: And I think Mickey wants to get this one right.
Speaker 13: He understands he's at the end of his career and yeah,
Speaker 13: he's got a group of players that, like he liked
Speaker 13: to try to make at least maybe one more run
Speaker 13: with them before completely resetting.
Speaker 2: And I think.
Speaker 13: McCarthy gives him the opportunity to do that as a
Speaker 13: guy that he worked with again for five years at
Speaker 13: the start of his time in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Always great to talk to you, No, you're busy. We'll
Speaker 2: see you to the Super Bowl. Thank you, Elvert, Absolutely
Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, Albert Breer the MMQB. You can go to
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Speaker 2: Update the poll results there seat in early poll results, early.
Speaker 4: Poll results I put up there, would you want your
Speaker 4: team to hire an offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 4: Early results show the sixty eight percent would rather have
Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a lot of fun. We don't talk
Speaker 2: about the offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs, do
Speaker 2: we isn't that Andy Reid? Well, they had very b
Speaker 2: enemy for a long time. We talked about him quite
Speaker 2: a bit. Yeah, and what happened to him?
Speaker 6: Yeah, not that.
Speaker 2: But we do talk about spags a lot. We talk
Speaker 2: about spags. Do can't win if you don't score? Yeah,
Speaker 2: we all you have to do is score three. If
Speaker 2: they hold you scoreless, you win. Those defense coordinators are
Speaker 2: good at putting up three. Yeah, that's all you need. Hey,
Speaker 2: what happened when the Ravens. The Ravens defense said to
Speaker 2: the offense, hey, just get ten points. We'll take it
Speaker 2: from there, and they won a Super Bowl? The Giants
Speaker 2: when they won their Super Bowls? Would they win with
Speaker 2: defense shut them down? Still comes back to that, got
Speaker 2: to make a play, got to make a defensive play
Speaker 2: at some point. There are probably more moments that are
Speaker 2: defensive related in big moments than we give people credit for.
Speaker 2: But you know, when you're winning super Bowls, got to
Speaker 2: have a big play at some point, no matter how
Speaker 2: good the offense is.
Speaker 4: Yes, see, it'd be awesome if we were talking about
Speaker 4: how Rodney Harrison broke up that play instead of the helmet.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately we remember the catch and not Yeah, the great
Speaker 4: defensive play.
Speaker 2: That is true, but we also remember that defensive front
Speaker 2: should have been the MVP. If both of those.
Speaker 4: Patriots managed to sack Eli Manning when they five players
Speaker 4: had him in their hands and somehow he got out
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 2: That would have been a cool defensive They weren't, He
Speaker 2: wasn't in the grass or anything like that. That would
Speaker 2: have been a cool defensive moment in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 2: Like Malcolm Butler seemed to be a big moment. That
Speaker 2: was a good one. It's a really good one. Yes,
Speaker 2: and they should have handed it off though they shouldn't have.
Speaker 2: Should have been a good offensive moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, too soon. Yeah, the Commanders are interesting.
Speaker 9: They hired a defensive guy and dan Quinn hat backwards,
Speaker 9: tough guy, looks like he lists. But then they bring
Speaker 9: in Kingsbury. They went from thirty second in the league
Speaker 9: in defense to eighteenth. They went from twenty fifth in
Speaker 9: offense to fifth this year.
Speaker 2: Well, if you have a good offense, that's going to
Speaker 2: help your defense, and vice versa. If you have a
Speaker 2: ball control kind of offense keeps your defense off the field.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all synchronousy, it's all in unison. I
Speaker 2: don't think you can just go this is what we
Speaker 2: do really well. I mean there's some teams in history.
Speaker 2: You know, the Bears defense. Yeah, yeah, let's talk more
Speaker 2: about the Bears when they won the Super Bowl. That defense.
Speaker 2: But they did have offensive weapons. But you know, you're
Speaker 2: not going to win a Super Bowl without having, you know,
Speaker 2: just one of those items. It's really rare. Although that
Speaker 2: Ravens defense, yes they didn't. They shut out the Giants,
Speaker 2: and that felt like they shut out the Giants in
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl. Yes, Mark relax.
Speaker 6: It was thirty five to seven.
Speaker 2: Oh my bad.
Speaker 6: And that was actually a kickoff return. It wasn't offensive touchdowns.
Speaker 6: A special teams touchdown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, see that Patriots Eagles super Bowl. It'd be
Speaker 4: nice if there was even just one stop on defense.
Speaker 2: There was zero nothing, no punts. Yeah, yeah, that game
Speaker 2: was crazy. That was a crazy game. But that really
Speaker 2: was what happened at the very end. Was it Brandon
Speaker 2: Graham with the sack on Tom Brady one handed Tom Brady?
Speaker 6: Yes, Martin, that's like even the greatest show on Turf
Speaker 6: the tackle by Mike Jones against Kevin Dyson to have
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big defensive play, greatest show on turf got shut
Speaker 2: down by the Patriots defense. Too rough to moup. Let's
Speaker 2: see Andrew and Washington. I Andrew, welcome back, Good.
Speaker 7: Morning, DP and Dannet, thanks for taking my call. I
Speaker 7: have a a couple of questions about those gms and
Speaker 7: head coaches and then a possible full question. But you know,
Speaker 7: I think that Tom Telasco and Trent Balky were given
Speaker 7: time to get their coaches and if they didn't gain
Speaker 7: a commitment or they didn't get the higher then they
Speaker 7: were moved on from And I think that Tom Brady's
Speaker 7: bringing in his regime his old college teammate from nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety nine, the guy that was with him in Tampa
Speaker 7: Bay for the Super Bowl he won. So he's going
Speaker 7: to bring in something familiar as far as coaching too,
Speaker 7: Mike Rabel did get Josh McDaniels. We talked about that
Speaker 7: a couple of weeks ago. I think that's good for
Speaker 7: Drake Ay. And you know, as far as you look
Speaker 7: at there's two defense of coordinators up to head coach
Speaker 7: in the in the conference championships, and there's two offensive
Speaker 7: minded head coaches, Nick Serrioty and Andy Reid. The other
Speaker 7: two are defensive guys. So I don't think it matters
Speaker 7: when these teams hire their coaches because I think Dan
Speaker 7: Quinn was the last hire last year and everybody kind
Speaker 7: of looked at him as a left over and retread.
Speaker 7: But it looks like he's done pretty good. Would you rather?
Speaker 7: Is what you brought up about Ohio State and Michigan.
Speaker 7: So it sounds like Ohio State lost again by Michigan
Speaker 7: having higher ratings in their national championship.
Speaker 2: I mean, if Michigan needs another victory lap, then great.
Speaker 2: More people wanted to see Michigan win a national title
Speaker 2: in Ohio State, I don't think too many other people
Speaker 2: would be doing a deep dive on that. Yeah, people
Speaker 2: care more? Mean, do you care more about Washington versus
Speaker 2: Michigan than Notre Dame versus Ohio State. I think there
Speaker 2: are other things that factored in to that that number.
Speaker 2: I think when the game was played and it was after,
Speaker 2: you know, an NFL weekend inauguration, one hour in the
Speaker 2: books