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Speaker 1: I did, uh, I did think that as you were
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Speaker 1: starting to look like an actual I don't know what
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Speaker 1: could you say? Uh? I would say office perhaps. I
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Speaker 1: what you've got going on. I have a lot going
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I got going on. So yeah, you
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Speaker 1: glorious content. Yes, So, how's your week been, kid, It's
Speaker 1: been pretty busy. You know. The stuff going on in
Speaker 1: the news is my business outside of the podcast world,
Speaker 1: So it's been off the freaking chain. And you know
Speaker 1: that's to include the big events of what would be
Speaker 1: this week as we're recording on Wednesday. It's just it's
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable what's going on out there, and I get
Speaker 1: to be a small part of it, and it is nuts,
Speaker 1: and I think it's only going to get better in
Speaker 1: the dates to come. There's a lot of information being
Speaker 1: leaked so interesting. All I say is I just want
Speaker 1: my money. That's all I want. You want your money.
Speaker 1: I just want to get paid. Stimulus check pay check,
Speaker 1: whatever check you got, you're stimulus, just get I want more.
Speaker 1: I just want more. I want more. Well, that's all
Speaker 1: I care about. We all want more, right, just give
Speaker 1: me that a bad thing, that's a good thing. Give
Speaker 1: me more. Well, you know you have to work hard
Speaker 1: for UH for the benefits, to reap the benefits. Oddly enough,
Speaker 1: I almost grab my hardly working UH coffee cup I have.
Speaker 1: My wife has working hard. I have hardly working which
Speaker 1: is like the complete opposite of my life. But it's
Speaker 1: just ironic. Life works hard. Are you kidding me? Well,
Speaker 1: then you both should we have a work you both
Speaker 1: should have a working hard mug. Then that's true. How
Speaker 1: are you. We barely this week. Now, this week has
Speaker 1: been so busy for me. I had so many cameos
Speaker 1: I offered. I offered the police outfit and people were
Speaker 1: like jumping on it, which was great, and some of
Speaker 1: them trickled over to today. So now I have a
Speaker 1: bunch to do later on today when I'm done everything
Speaker 1: in my life. But yeah, I just had a really
Speaker 1: really busy day. I had a lot to do. Twitch
Speaker 1: is becoming a part of my life. I do that
Speaker 1: three times a week, so I'm live on three different
Speaker 1: days and one day is the cameos. Today is busy.
Speaker 1: I have you, I have Twitch, I have cameo all
Speaker 1: in one day. There's a doctor appointment in the middle
Speaker 1: of there somewhere, and yeah, I'm lucky though, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm exhausted, but I'm happy about it. So
Speaker 1: come a long way from just sarah little Friday morning,
Speaker 1: this little session, you know, and oh yeah, I got
Speaker 1: to go on the road this weekend, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: That's cameos and this version on the road. I know, well,
Speaker 1: next week I will be on the road. So I'll
Speaker 1: announce it now because it'll be on Shane and I
Speaker 1: a later in this week. Yes, Shane and I are
Speaker 1: doing a virtual signing on January twenty second. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 1: have no information on it because the flyer that was
Speaker 1: sent to me is very vague, and one of the
Speaker 1: fans told me when he went to the page that
Speaker 1: was listed, it wasn't working. So I'm hoping to get
Speaker 1: an update on that for you guys. Probably before next
Speaker 1: Friday would be nice. But it's from I know. It's
Speaker 1: from seven to nine thirty Friday, January twenty second, so
Speaker 1: the franchise will be in town. It is right there.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, but it doesn't say much on it.
Speaker 1: This is twenty second at seven pm, which we know
Speaker 1: is a Friday, So you spend your Friday night with
Speaker 1: the duo of the franchise and the head cheerleader, Francine.
Speaker 1: He actually just called me, so I could have asked
Speaker 1: him if he had any more info. He doesn't. If
Speaker 1: I talked to him too, he doesn't. Now it's okay,
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out, but that'll be fun. So I'm
Speaker 1: actually cooking. He requested my world famous gravy and meat balls,
Speaker 1: so I am making a feast and we're eating probably
Speaker 1: at four point thirty because it's the Early Bird Special
Speaker 1: that day, and then we have to head out to
Speaker 1: do the signing. So it's great. That's cool. I love
Speaker 1: that you guys are doing that. I love the duo.
Speaker 1: That's smart booking right there. Yes, we're good together. Actually,
Speaker 1: i'll show you. I was gonna, you know, show you
Speaker 1: this later. But you know, I've talked to you. I
Speaker 1: have a thing I want to work on in the
Speaker 1: coming weeks. I have this bad boy that I just
Speaker 1: got made right here. What do you think of that? Whooh, sexy,
Speaker 1: fancy schmancy. Huh, I'm just gonnare. Then we'll talk more
Speaker 1: about it later. Oh, maybe I have another booking my
Speaker 1: future Austin I got Oh my gosh, look I even
Speaker 1: have it in a bigger size too. Oh that is
Speaker 1: that is beautiful? Yes, yes, indeed, you can't see what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. You need to come over and join.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not going to say what it is, just
Speaker 1: in case you've got to be on the video for
Speaker 1: that shit. Yeah that's nice. That's that's nice work. Yes,
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, you know, just it's been it's been
Speaker 1: something that's for sure. I know we'll get into it later.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but there has been a shitload of good
Speaker 1: Disney shit that's come out this week. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: it later if you want, No, we have, we have
Speaker 1: a wow. I was shocked. First of all, my heart
Speaker 1: is broken Disney Disney World is discontinuing the Magical Express.
Speaker 1: I am beyond myself. But it was like a day
Speaker 1: of mourning in my house because the Magical Express, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's going to continue through this year, but then
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two they're doing something else, which was
Speaker 1: very vague. I don't know. They're supposed to have some
Speaker 1: kind of shuttle taking from the airport or something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but let me just say.
Speaker 1: We called it the Magical Express going and then the
Speaker 1: Tragical Express coming home, because no one wants to get
Speaker 1: on that bus coming home because it's sad. It makes
Speaker 1: very good sense. It's a nice play on words. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what my house deems at the Tragical Express. But
Speaker 1: it was a huge part of our trip because once
Speaker 1: you're on that bus, it meant it's starting, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And my kids were so excited. We
Speaker 1: were so excited. Me and my husband getting on that
Speaker 1: bus and just sitting there and knowing within like fifty
Speaker 1: minutes we were going to pull up to our resort
Speaker 1: and it was all going to start. And that is
Speaker 1: a huge part. It's like an attraction for us anyway.
Speaker 1: We love the Magical Express and I am so heartbroken
Speaker 1: and I don't understand why they are getting rid of
Speaker 1: it because it was so convenient and it's just it
Speaker 1: was part of the trip. So I'm very upset. Disney,
Speaker 1: that's very sad. I saw your reaction. I actually read it,
Speaker 1: and then I saw your reaction afterwards, and man, it's
Speaker 1: just it's very tough. As we talked about, with all
Speaker 1: the closures and the amount of times they've they've had
Speaker 1: to limit people. Now to just start taking shit away
Speaker 1: is you know, it's it kind of stinks, But it
Speaker 1: could be worse. You could be at Disneyland, which is
Speaker 1: never opening never again presumably. Well, Disneyland canceled all annual
Speaker 1: passes and they are in disarray of in California. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel so bad for them as well. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on over there. I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: We are still looking to play in a trip for
Speaker 1: this year. But I don't know what months. I don't
Speaker 1: know when. Then we got the news that there's no
Speaker 1: Magical Express. We were like, oh my goodness, we have Rentneuver.
Speaker 1: Things are nuts nuts. My beloved Disney is just falling apart.
Speaker 1: It's weird too, because you know, I mean on the
Speaker 1: film end, you know, they're releasing stuff left and right.
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of great things going on. But
Speaker 1: at the parks, which okay, yes, Disney World is operated
Speaker 1: at a portion capacity, and obviously Disneyland presumably never opening again,
Speaker 1: and the euro Disney's stop it. The euro Disney's shangha.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're still, they're rocking and rolling. You know,
Speaker 1: I've watched some of their clips. It's just very odd
Speaker 1: that they can't all sync up. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's strange. But I guess that's what goes
Speaker 1: with you know, the new covid Land. It's like, that's
Speaker 1: what they should rename it, Covidland. Well, it depends on
Speaker 1: the state, depends on the governor, you know that. I know,
Speaker 1: Flora is starting to with the rides. At least they're
Speaker 1: starting to put up a lot more plexa glass so
Speaker 1: that more people can get on rides now. Right now,
Speaker 1: your fast passes aren't in play, so everybody is waiting,
Speaker 1: which is going to be a problem because if they
Speaker 1: you know, lift the uh you know, say twenty five
Speaker 1: percent goes to maybe fifty percent or whatever, and you
Speaker 1: still have no fast passes. Those lines you're waiting now,
Speaker 1: maybe you're waiting an hour to two hours, they're going
Speaker 1: to go to three and four hour waits because you're
Speaker 1: going to have double the people in the parks and
Speaker 1: no one fast pass. And I don't want to wait
Speaker 1: in line for four hours. I mean, that's that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I remember flight of passage over an Avatar. There were,
Speaker 1: like I read almost six hours people were waiting to
Speaker 1: get on that ride at one point, and that was
Speaker 1: with the fast pass system working. Right now, there's no
Speaker 1: fast passes, so people are going to start complaining about
Speaker 1: wait times and it's gonna get messy. It's really going
Speaker 1: to get messy. And I'm due to go in April,
Speaker 1: last week of March, first week April. I still don't
Speaker 1: know what to expect. You know, it's on schedule. I
Speaker 1: don't expect the cancelations like I had to suffer through
Speaker 1: last year of we're going, we're going, We're not going,
Speaker 1: we're going here. Stop, No, we're not going. No, we're
Speaker 1: going here, and then it's canceled. I don't think we're
Speaker 1: gonna deal with that. Yeah, but I just I'm still
Speaker 1: curious to see what it is we're walking into. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more, you know of the cavalcade,
Speaker 1: maybe a couple more floats, a few more characters, you know,
Speaker 1: some photo ops, photo ops. I sadly, I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna happen for a long time. It's weird because Universal,
Speaker 1: from what I've read, their restrictions are like they're not
Speaker 1: social distancing at all. I think you still have to
Speaker 1: wear a mask, but there's no markers. Somebody route they
Speaker 1: went and there was like markers to stand six feet
Speaker 1: away from each other. So everybody's just like arm in
Speaker 1: arm walking through Universal. And they're saying, well, it is
Speaker 1: Disney going to be next? Because there they are in Florida.
Speaker 1: Florida is open, you know, I don't reilly nilly. They're
Speaker 1: all like, ah, yeah, anything goes. Yeah. They're they're like
Speaker 1: the hippies of the skiff through Harry potter Land, like
Speaker 1: it's nobody's problem. You just use the magic to get
Speaker 1: rid of it. I guess, I don't know. It's it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see things unwined and unfold, but the Magical
Speaker 1: Express just got me that that was really depressing. And
Speaker 1: then seeing Disneyland take those pass holders away, that's it's
Speaker 1: so sad. People like me love this stuff, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, We don't live for it, but it's
Speaker 1: a big part of my life. And it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's the outlet. It's your thing. It's the thing that
Speaker 1: keeps you, you know, motive. You always set the goal
Speaker 1: of it's going to be this, and it's this family
Speaker 1: outing and you have all these special memories. So it's
Speaker 1: your thing, I mean, and that's that's great, but it
Speaker 1: just sucks that your thing is really really altered right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's something that my family looks forward to every single year,
Speaker 1: and you know, we were devastated this year. We're supposed
Speaker 1: to be going in like two weeks. Our trip was
Speaker 1: always at the end of January, I mean going into February,
Speaker 1: so this obviously we're not doing that this year. So
Speaker 1: we're looking at on their months and other hotels and
Speaker 1: which is another thing. Man, they really spike those hotel
Speaker 1: prices for Disney book both lord, I still think I
Speaker 1: got mine a pretty good damn deal when I booked it.
Speaker 1: By yeah, i'd be crazy because right now, even with discounts,
Speaker 1: they are expensive, and I guess they're making up for
Speaker 1: the losses that they suffered. But good lord, it's uh,
Speaker 1: you got to get eight jobs in order to go
Speaker 1: to Disney. Let me see, that was my I'm looking
Speaker 1: to see if I could pull it up right now. No,
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's the twenty twenty one. Let's see. I
Speaker 1: was due to stay Monday, July twenty seventh to July thirtieth.
Speaker 1: I was at one forty eight a night at the
Speaker 1: All Star Movies Resort. But I believe we're paying less
Speaker 1: than that right now, for we're saying I had don't
Speaker 1: have it in front of me, so I can't give
Speaker 1: you the exact expensive. I mean, we were thinking of
Speaker 1: going for now fourteen days. We usually do twelve, and
Speaker 1: I think it's almost close to being a permanent resident. Well,
Speaker 1: we just love it so much and if we can
Speaker 1: find a good deal and we can add a couple
Speaker 1: of days on it, so I don't know what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do, but we're we're gonna keep looking. Well, the
Speaker 1: saga will unfold right in front of our eyes as
Speaker 1: you will document that respect of the way, including and
Speaker 1: for people who are just listening to us now haven't
Speaker 1: checked us out before. Last year when Francine went, we
Speaker 1: got video exclusives. She took a little diary, you know,
Speaker 1: and was showing us everything she did. So that's what's
Speaker 1: to look forward to. If I do it, it's not fun.
Speaker 1: They want to see you walking around and all the
Speaker 1: great stories that you had, so you should do it too.
Speaker 1: We'll do something, but I'm not gonna do it like
Speaker 1: you did. That was great with really, if you join
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Speaker 1: back to last like January. We posted them in February,
Speaker 1: you'll see France Disney trip. It was fantastic. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: my kids are like, mom, are you ever gonna get
Speaker 1: done blogging? They would be asking me questions. I'll be quiet,
Speaker 1: I'm flogging. So you know, de's something we're talking about
Speaker 1: building up the YouTube channel a little bit that you
Speaker 1: have that could be something we give a little piece
Speaker 1: of your trip, like a little snip of that clip
Speaker 1: and give it to them. See what uh see, what
Speaker 1: do people think of that? And then maybe come and
Speaker 1: check it out? How about that? All right, Francine, let's
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Speaker 1: of your friends here at eyes up here. But our
Speaker 1: guest is about to connect here, so if you'd like
Speaker 1: to introduce him, it's all you. Oh well, this this
Speaker 1: is a hot commodity on the indie scene. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure why he's not signed anywhere, but we just followed
Speaker 1: each other on Twitter and he reached out. So this
Speaker 1: is Sam Adonis. It was a little flow on the click.
Speaker 1: There is half of the theory I'll look at him
Speaker 1: all lounging in his hotel room. I'm loving it. I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying River Monsters on Discovery Channel because that's what I do. Oh,
Speaker 1: really nice, I have not I'm jealous Sam, because I
Speaker 1: haven't been in a hotel room in quite a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been pretty rough. I mean I was lucky enough
Speaker 1: to be made by living on andies before this, I
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of stuff in Mexico, Japan, and
Speaker 1: then once this hit, I had to get a full
Speaker 1: time job. I'm so this is actually kind of feeling
Speaker 1: like a vacation now. And the cool thing is I
Speaker 1: have my cheat job money, and now my indie money
Speaker 1: is like extra money. So it's actually I'm not complaining
Speaker 1: too much. I mentioned a while ago because I think
Speaker 1: you and I were following each other. Oh no, he's
Speaker 1: still there. A screen just went up, But you keep talking.
Speaker 1: I think you and I were following each other a
Speaker 1: while ago, and then I don't know what happened with
Speaker 1: your Twitter, but you came back, and then I got
Speaker 1: a friend request, so I refollowed you. But I had
Speaker 1: mentioned when the pandemic started, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people lost their income because we can't
Speaker 1: wrestle and we can't go on the road. And I
Speaker 1: mentioned you took a job with Amazon. Yes, ma'am. It's
Speaker 1: just we need to be gotten. It was just like
Speaker 1: I said, I was lucky to be able to make
Speaker 1: a living on the indies, because I mean it's they
Speaker 1: were hot before hid. The indies were a good thing
Speaker 1: prior to all of this. And then I lost you guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know where. Ok, you're there, No, we got you.
Speaker 1: Keep talking, You're good. Yeah, it was just it's I
Speaker 1: didn't really want to wait for it because it happened
Speaker 1: so quick and all the shows were canceled and everything.
Speaker 1: So I had to kind of just you know, do
Speaker 1: my business or get out of the restroom if you would.
Speaker 1: And yeah, just I hopped on it real quick, and
Speaker 1: luckily it got worse before it got better. But I
Speaker 1: never really suffered any financial strain because I was delivering jobs.
Speaker 1: But it's very humbling, I must say that, because I
Speaker 1: mean I was doing some big stuff in Mexico and like,
Speaker 1: you know, as a rock status for a little bit
Speaker 1: next to you know, I'm delivering packages, you know, delivering
Speaker 1: to some seventy year old lady on an Amazon route.
Speaker 1: We interviewed you. We interviewed Sam on Too Many Power
Speaker 1: Trip in twenty seventeen. So that was really, you know,
Speaker 1: basically like you were smack dab in the middle of
Speaker 1: that craziness that was going on, and it was it
Speaker 1: was a sight to see just to like research it
Speaker 1: and you know, and check it all out. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: But not many Amazon drivers I know that know have
Speaker 1: that unique look that you do, so you'd probably stand out.
Speaker 1: I actually had people like because in Pittsburgh, my dad
Speaker 1: was an been promoter for years, so like I in wrestling,
Speaker 1: if you're wrestling fan of Pittsburgh, you know me and
Speaker 1: you know my brother. So I mean, it's happened a
Speaker 1: few times where I've been stopping for lunch or something,
Speaker 1: Hey are you Samon Donnas, and I'm dressing my Amazon
Speaker 1: uniform and whatnot. So so over tell the people who
Speaker 1: your brother is if they don't know, I am actually
Speaker 1: the younger brother of ww's Corey Graves. So now let
Speaker 1: me ask you. Go ahead, go ahead, I just I
Speaker 1: don't really it's I've been wrestling for thirteen years now,
Speaker 1: and you'd be surprised how few people actually know that
Speaker 1: We've actually really had very separate careers, and I'm proud
Speaker 1: of it, of them without being known as his little brother.
Speaker 1: But I guess now that it's coming out a little
Speaker 1: bit more, and I guess maybe I'm being seen a
Speaker 1: little bit more, it's probably starting to help my cause.
Speaker 1: Finally people say, oh, yeah, your Graves brother. So I've
Speaker 1: been able to do a lot by myself, but now
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to be synonymous with the guy
Speaker 1: that calls the shows on Monday nights and Friday nights.
Speaker 1: Just say Sterling James Keenan. Everybody will know that that
Speaker 1: was so long ago. That was yeah. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know an him press scene from I don't
Speaker 1: know if you did a three p W. Do you
Speaker 1: remember Meeni's company? I do. My brother used to wrestle
Speaker 1: there a lot, so I was probably maybe fourteen or
Speaker 1: fifteen being coming to three PW with him. I used
Speaker 1: to go to E c W at the Bouldome in Manaka.
Speaker 1: That's where I used to I was kidding. And then
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, my brother started working at the arena,
Speaker 1: but E CW was gone. So I mean, I've known
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys for years because my brother,
Speaker 1: you know, Meani and Dreamer. Like it's kind of cool
Speaker 1: because I was such a fan as a kid, and
Speaker 1: just like little things like this being able to talk
Speaker 1: to you today, it's like it's kind of surreal in
Speaker 1: a weird way, you know, because you guys, you had
Speaker 1: mentioned that you and I have met before. What kind
Speaker 1: of got it was just an autograph sign I get
Speaker 1: National market in robo mall. I think it was November
Speaker 1: to remember, weekend of ninety seven. I know Bam Bam herself,
Speaker 1: Chris and uh and Shane Diava was wrong. It was
Speaker 1: so cool because like I was a starstruck and I
Speaker 1: was kind of weird because I was I was born
Speaker 1: in eighty nine, but my brother and dad were the
Speaker 1: biggest wrestling fans. So when I was born, they had
Speaker 1: all VHS tapes, We had all the you know with
Speaker 1: Class of the Champions, with all Memphis TV tapes and like,
Speaker 1: even though my earliest memories of wrestling were like, let's say,
Speaker 1: Razor Ramone and Shawn Michaels at the Eel and like
Speaker 1: that was my That's what I remember. But I wasn't
Speaker 1: ever too into like what's currently happening. I was always
Speaker 1: watching old tapes. I loved the Saturda Night's main events,
Speaker 1: so the Class of the Champions or you know Memphis
Speaker 1: in the eighties, and I kind of paid attention to
Speaker 1: what was happening, but I always felt like there was
Speaker 1: more out there, so we'd always get the aftermags and everything,
Speaker 1: and ECW was getting pushed so hard. I remember remember
Speaker 1: on weekends, I'd stay up to UH and sleep in
Speaker 1: the basement on the couch, and it was like twelve
Speaker 1: thirty at night and I wake up, I flicking through
Speaker 1: the channels and e c w's on. I literally recapt
Speaker 1: jump out of bed, Run Officers Dad. E c w's on, Matt,
Speaker 1: Wake Up. E c w's on, wakes Up, My mom
Speaker 1: wakes up and puts a pot of coffee on. This
Speaker 1: is I think maybe December ninety six, so I was,
Speaker 1: you know, six years old, and it was just it
Speaker 1: was a at that point we were hooked. I was
Speaker 1: so so addicted to that, and then you know, just
Speaker 1: the ECW led me to finding Japanese wrestling and Mexican
Speaker 1: wrestling and kind of just you know, branching out from
Speaker 1: being an American wrestling fan and that ultimately has been
Speaker 1: the major influence of my career. I love that story.
Speaker 1: That's great. I do have a question for you. What
Speaker 1: is the age difference between you and your brother? He's
Speaker 1: five years older than me. Okay, yeah, he was her
Speaker 1: he helped train you. Yeah. Yeah. My dad had an
Speaker 1: independent company in Pittsburgh at the time, and I was,
Speaker 1: I guess sixteen. So my dad we got like a
Speaker 1: rental unit and we put the ring up and my
Speaker 1: brother was actually my trainer. And I'm actually the only
Speaker 1: wrestler from the school that still wrestles. But that's kind
Speaker 1: of natural. I was using the analogy that if your
Speaker 1: parents own a bakery, probably bake a pretty good cake,
Speaker 1: so it's bit in the blood. And then luckily O
Speaker 1: Wrestlings showed me a lot of things and now I'm
Speaker 1: fluent in Spanish because of it. Okay, well, you know
Speaker 1: your brother works for WWA. We all know that there's
Speaker 1: a connection because he's your brother. Why don't we see
Speaker 1: you working there. Have you had an opportunity to like
Speaker 1: have a tryout or go to like you know, train
Speaker 1: or anything because of it? Or does not want to
Speaker 1: pull strings? I had a contract before my brother did.
Speaker 1: I was signed to W twenty eleven and I was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was there for like a year and it was
Speaker 1: just stawful. I didn't do well. I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I just it was you know, it was a really
Speaker 1: overwhelming situation for a kid with my life experience. So
Speaker 1: I got released and h it's just timing just has
Speaker 1: never really been on my side, you know, you know
Speaker 1: as well as I do. There's a lot about timing
Speaker 1: in this business. And I've done so much international travel
Speaker 1: that you know, I think now that the independent scene
Speaker 1: is its own thing, and I'm almost even though I'm
Speaker 1: well experienced in the international wrestling and the rest as
Speaker 1: a whole, there's so many you know, hot indie companies
Speaker 1: that have their own hot stars, and there's a pecking
Speaker 1: order that I'm almost not involved in because you know
Speaker 1: that pecking order is established in the local independency. Well
Speaker 1: I'm in Japan or Mexico, I'm not in that pecking order.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a matter of time, you know.
Speaker 1: I definitely think my best years ahead of me. I've
Speaker 1: just you know, I've been working hard. There there's not
Speaker 1: too many guys my age, my size, with my experience
Speaker 1: my ability, so like I would like to think that,
Speaker 1: you know, my best years are ahead of me, But
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't really want to ask my brother, hey,
Speaker 1: get me a job, because you know, no, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: at this point, you've been in the business a very
Speaker 1: long time. He's been there a very long time. I
Speaker 1: would think, you know, something would have crossed by now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't, I don't. I have no
Speaker 1: idea what it is. But I'm just having fun and
Speaker 1: enjoying it right now. I think when the time's right,
Speaker 1: somebody would come to me somewhere, especially now that you know,
Speaker 1: the competition is building again. Now there's more places to work,
Speaker 1: and you know, eventually, I hope, you know, and this
Speaker 1: is something for all of us independent guys. I hope
Speaker 1: it gets to the point when they start hiring people
Speaker 1: so the competition can't have them, you know, and then
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of guys with jobs and looks.
Speaker 1: If we can repeat what happened in ninety nine, two thousand,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a better place for all of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I agree with that. It's it's great to see
Speaker 1: you know, aw nwa roh. It's great to see these
Speaker 1: companies kind of not step up. But I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's like everybody's joining forces against like WWE right now
Speaker 1: to try and combat with them, because they were the
Speaker 1: only game for a long time and now they're being challenged.
Speaker 1: And I love that, and I love that there's more
Speaker 1: places for guys to work. So there's so much talent,
Speaker 1: like you're one of them. There's so much independent talent
Speaker 1: out there, and not enough people get their opportunity to
Speaker 1: shine on television. So this is the way I've always
Speaker 1: looked at it, though, is it's a marathon, not a sprint.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's in my blood. And I almost
Speaker 1: I almost peaked too early when I signed in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: It was ready to be there, and that taught me
Speaker 1: that like, Okay, this isn't something I want to do
Speaker 1: while now, and this is something I'm doing for my life,
Speaker 1: you know, I want a career. I look at a
Speaker 1: guy like aj Styles as super inspirational because he signed
Speaker 1: with them to be at forty years old, and he
Speaker 1: came in on the top and just you know, took
Speaker 1: off and did really well. Maybe that's my path. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not going to get there for five more years,
Speaker 1: but when when I get hired, you're not hiring a
Speaker 1: young kid that has to play by the rules and
Speaker 1: do you know, go through the package they're in the system,
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, Okay, this guy's one of the best
Speaker 1: talents on earth. We have to do something with them. So,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of things in my favor
Speaker 1: patience being one of them. But I definitely think there's
Speaker 1: something good on the horizon that that twenty eleven time too,
Speaker 1: that's kind of like a rough time to be in
Speaker 1: developmental because they're making the switch and they're kind of
Speaker 1: putting into place the plan that they'd have now and
Speaker 1: it's kind of sink or swim. So for you being
Speaker 1: so young at the time, that's that's like a that's
Speaker 1: like oil and water. You know, it's not going to mix.
Speaker 1: The thing that was really difficult about my time in
Speaker 1: FCW is right before NXT. It was almost a conflict
Speaker 1: of interest because FCW was not owned by ww R
Speaker 1: had to promote their own events and make their money
Speaker 1: aside from WWE, so they had their own priorities. They
Speaker 1: had the stars they wanted to push that they think
Speaker 1: are going to sell tickets at the local markets and I,
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy they need to sell their merchandise and
Speaker 1: do it, you know, for the local business as opposed
Speaker 1: to creating a star that's getting ready for national business.
Speaker 1: So for example, W hired me to get ready and
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you know who knows what they wanted
Speaker 1: to do with me. But I was a WW employee.
Speaker 1: Well I was really good at selling merch at the
Speaker 1: merch table. I was a hustler. I'd you know, move stuff.
Speaker 1: So every Friday or Saturday night it was Hey, Sam,
Speaker 1: you're on merch. I'm like, can I have a match?
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, you merch you know this, and I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: what the hell? You know, WD had no idea this
Speaker 1: was going on. You know, they come down once a
Speaker 1: month and you know, send the agents and talk to
Speaker 1: us and you guys really need to want this and
Speaker 1: do it. You know, they preached. They were blue in
Speaker 1: the face, and I didn't want to be a stud
Speaker 1: huge and call the boss and say, hey, what the
Speaker 1: hell I'm you know, I can't get a match. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, the longer I was selling merch,
Speaker 1: the lower my value went. You know, I wasn't getting
Speaker 1: opportunity to didn't see anything in me. There was no
Speaker 1: return on their investment because I'm just selling merchandise. And then,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a knee surgery in about you know,
Speaker 1: five days after I was clear. They cut me because
Speaker 1: he's been there a year now, he hasn't done anything. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I hate to blame anyone else for my
Speaker 1: own misfortune, but there was a lot of circumstances beyond
Speaker 1: my control. Understood well March huh, Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: just this this charming smile of mind. You know, I
Speaker 1: can sell a lot of programs with it, the good Cop,
Speaker 1: Bad Cop, with some of those people who were on
Speaker 1: the fence about buying stuff. Exactly again, I mentioned my
Speaker 1: dad on an independent show and just growing up around it.
Speaker 1: I've always had such like a thirst for the business,
Speaker 1: and I've always wanted to pay my dues. Not because oh,
Speaker 1: you have to build a ring, because that's what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. I couldn't wrestle, So let me build
Speaker 1: the ring, let me sell the merch let me carry
Speaker 1: the guys right, let me ring the bell. Anything I
Speaker 1: could do, I wanted to do. And this started at
Speaker 1: you know, twelve or thirteen years old, and this is
Speaker 1: something that has been invaluable in my wrestling career because
Speaker 1: you know, I've been on independent shows where they couldn't
Speaker 1: even tie the curtain off on the ring, and I said,
Speaker 1: let me do this. You know, I got this. Just
Speaker 1: there's so many things that have helped me because of
Speaker 1: growing up in that, and you know, merchandise being one
Speaker 1: of it. You know, I would sell merchant hustle, you know,
Speaker 1: how to talk to people, and you know, coming from
Speaker 1: a background like that, the one thing I when I
Speaker 1: was fifteen or sixteen, me and my dad would argue
Speaker 1: till we till we were just angry at each other
Speaker 1: because I didn't understand the consumers is what we're looking for.
Speaker 1: I always want to say, let's book these guys. They're
Speaker 1: going to have a great match, and my dad will say,
Speaker 1: these people in this town aren't going to give a
Speaker 1: crap about these guys. Yeah they're big on the internet,
Speaker 1: but they're not going to sell tickets. So it kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, trained me to understand what the paying public enjoys.
Speaker 1: And now as a performer, I understand it's not about
Speaker 1: what I want to do. It's about what the fans
Speaker 1: want to see, you know, and just performing for the
Speaker 1: masses as opposed to a bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: segregated demographic. I'm not just trying to get over on
Speaker 1: the internet. I want to move as many tickets as
Speaker 1: I can. I want people to come to our shows
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, you know that would be is great.
Speaker 1: But saming, honest is my favorite wrestling. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: also a group effort and you're trying to better the
Speaker 1: company and not just put yourself over. So I love that.
Speaker 1: That's that's a great point that you're trying to make there. Well,
Speaker 1: we're in a weird situation now because it is it's
Speaker 1: such a selfish, self centered industry, and with social media,
Speaker 1: you have to be selfish to be seen, you know.
Speaker 1: And the thing it's it's it's blows my mind that
Speaker 1: you know, I've wrestled. I worked a bunch of times
Speaker 1: for All Japan Pro Wrestling, and I worked in Mexico
Speaker 1: City for CML, And every time I'm there, you know,
Speaker 1: I know what I can do, but I know what
Speaker 1: my bosses want me to do. So for example, in Mexico,
Speaker 1: we had to train and do all the high spots,
Speaker 1: had to do all the moon soalts everything once a week.
Speaker 1: We had to do this at like a wrestling practice classes,
Speaker 1: and you had to perform at this class or you're
Speaker 1: not booked on the shows. So I had to earn
Speaker 1: my spot on these shows every week killing it. Then
Speaker 1: on Friday night there'd be ten thousand people to Arena
Speaker 1: Mexico and I'm rest a Negro Cassis and I want
Speaker 1: to do all my fancy stuff that I just practiced
Speaker 1: on Wednesday and said no, no, no, you're a heel.
Speaker 1: You don't do that. Don't do that, You're a heel.
Speaker 1: So I'm punching and kicking and the thing is about
Speaker 1: like the internet fan base, if they're watching that, they're saying,
Speaker 1: why the hell Samon Donnison CML he doesn't do any
Speaker 1: high spots. We want to see lucha. My boss is
Speaker 1: were over the moon. They loved me. I was making
Speaker 1: great money. We're actually drawing money, which is you know,
Speaker 1: almost a lost arm these days. But we made money
Speaker 1: for the company. Everything was great. But because I wasn't selfish,
Speaker 1: because I worked for the company and for my bosses,
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, affected me on the back
Speaker 1: end because now I come to the United States like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw, I'm an expert. He doesn't do anything that,
Speaker 1: he's nothing special. Yeah, but don't you think the fans
Speaker 1: are smarter these days as well because of the Internet
Speaker 1: and they know that it's the office and it's not you. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's no that at all. I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: people don't understand that because I go against the grade.
Speaker 1: I think it's the general idea is get your shit
Speaker 1: in because you need to get that gift on the internet.
Speaker 1: You need to be seen and you need to go viral.
Speaker 1: And I think everybody has one train of thought that. Again,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm insane because I'm a mark for the eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties that it shouldn't be the old school way.
Speaker 1: But I've almost bail off my nose to spite my
Speaker 1: face because you know, I've heard it, I've seen it
Speaker 1: on Twitter and whatnot. It's, oh my god, why is
Speaker 1: Sam and Donnas in all Japan? He doesn't do anything?
Speaker 1: Oh why see? And it's like, well, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot more than that. If that's the case, then
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't I think the
Speaker 1: fans almost get too much credit sometimes for being the pulse.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's all about making your own social
Speaker 1: media important, and we didn't have social media, so we
Speaker 1: couldn't benefit off that. I mean, I've bet I just
Speaker 1: joined Twitter three years ago and still have trouble navigating sometimes.
Speaker 1: But what you guys did is you all played for
Speaker 1: the team you had, you know, thirty or forty wrestlers,
Speaker 1: all doing their part the best they could. Now there's
Speaker 1: no your part. It's you want to be the show.
Speaker 1: It's almost more of a competition. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's the difference between an independent In
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, a good indie house is two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty three hundred. That's a good house, you know. In
Speaker 1: ninety nine a good indie house was twelve hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred. Because you guys understood it's not competition. Now
Speaker 1: we're of the mentality. There's some locker rooms, some big
Speaker 1: locker rooms of these big events. I don't like being
Speaker 1: in because the pressure is too high. All of us
Speaker 1: walk in like we're the cock of the walk. We're
Speaker 1: the best one there. We know what we're doing and
Speaker 1: it's follow that, you know, and then by the fourth
Speaker 1: match of fans are burnt out. And you know, when
Speaker 1: when you give the fans that much power, they know
Speaker 1: they're in control and they don't want to enjoy the
Speaker 1: wrest of them. They just want to critique it. So
Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, one great show that draw
Speaker 1: us three hundred people, next Time has you know, two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty people, Following Time has one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty people, and then something that was a great thing,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of tapers off. Yeah. See, I don't
Speaker 1: like that. I'm not going to lie. And the difference
Speaker 1: now is because I've done In twenty nineteen, I did
Speaker 1: a couple of shows with Shane because I said, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to work anymore. I can't bump because I've
Speaker 1: had so many surgeries and if I take a bump
Speaker 1: things can go wrong. My doctor said absolutely no ring right,
Speaker 1: But I did managing for him. We're not the main
Speaker 1: event anymore. Obviously, it's about the younger kids, and we
Speaker 1: get it, and Shane's good. Shane will put anybody over
Speaker 1: like we're good with that. But we're usually like second
Speaker 1: third match, you know, And it's different than when you're
Speaker 1: always main eventing, different dynamic. And I noticed the houses
Speaker 1: are smaller and some kids don't even say hi when
Speaker 1: you walk into the locker room. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: I said, when I grew up, you had to go
Speaker 1: around shake everyone's hand, that was the law. Now they
Speaker 1: don't maybe they don't even know who we are, but
Speaker 1: they don't even acknowledge you. So it's certain dynamic. It
Speaker 1: drives me nuts because again I went the old school route,
Speaker 1: and I love classic wrestling. Ninety five percent of independent
Speaker 1: wrestlers now, their first memory of wrestling would be, let's say,
Speaker 1: the Ed Guerrero era two thousand and four. So, like,
Speaker 1: you know, WB has done such a great job of
Speaker 1: kind of rewriting history, you know, the way it fits
Speaker 1: into their their system. There's almost just there's so many
Speaker 1: massive stars that are just virtually obsolete now and if
Speaker 1: you go into arrest of the block room, you can't say,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't even say, oh, yeah, this this
Speaker 1: you know Jack Briscoe is you know, is he the
Speaker 1: father of the Briscos from Ringham Honor? You know, like
Speaker 1: that's one thing, like I get along so well with
Speaker 1: a lot of the you know, the generation before me, because,
Speaker 1: like I'd like to think, I'm one of the last
Speaker 1: real ones that makes sense. You know, I can sit
Speaker 1: there and talk, you know, with somebody that's been around,
Speaker 1: and I always say that. You know, I can hang
Speaker 1: out with Ultimate Draggon and he's going to tell me,
Speaker 1: you know, holy cowt Samon Donna's is, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the best young kids in the business. And then
Speaker 1: I can go to an independent show, you know, with
Speaker 1: local indy guys, and they're going to say, what the
Speaker 1: hell is the big deal about Sam Donna's He doesn't
Speaker 1: do a Canadian destroyer, you know, so crazy, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Where are you now? Who are you working for Tonight?
Speaker 1: I'm in Texas with Pala Pro Tonight I'm off, which
Speaker 1: is also cool. I never have tell room. We have
Speaker 1: another show tomorrow night, and I'm with your friend MK
Speaker 1: Bandit Matthew. Yes, we're are in a hotel room. He's
Speaker 1: at the gym right now. I'm doing a little bit later.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we actually hooked up at Tommy Dreamer show
Speaker 1: at the House of Hardcore and he's been like one
Speaker 1: of my best buddies ever since. Hey. Yeah, he almost
Speaker 1: is like a shoe agent, which is awesome because in
Speaker 1: the United States it has one of us. But he's
Speaker 1: such a you know, he's so tied into the West
Speaker 1: Coast scene and I'm Pittsburgh in the Northeast and I have,
Speaker 1: you know, the connections I've made, and he'll literally say, okay, hey,
Speaker 1: March nineteenth, you good for Dallas, Texas? Yeah? Good? And
Speaker 1: he gets my fight, my hotel paid for everything, gets
Speaker 1: it all, take care. I never touch a dollar bill,
Speaker 1: and it's it's absolutely phenomenal. Solast night, he knocked the
Speaker 1: hell out of me. I got. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you can see the big Yeah. Yeah, he hit me
Speaker 1: with a he's an ass was I will for sure fine. Well,
Speaker 1: Dreamer put us together just because I guess he was
Speaker 1: doing the director of something competition for House of Hardcore
Speaker 1: and I was in the middle of, uh the Donald
Speaker 1: Trump run in Mexico. So I actually had a show.
Speaker 1: I was in Pittsburgh for my family, but my flight
Speaker 1: got canceled because of a snowstorm, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if I stay four days and I'll text stream Er
Speaker 1: see if I can get on. So I got to
Speaker 1: the two House Hardcourse shows, my first time working at
Speaker 1: the Arena, which was just surreal. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: how did you like get there? They've changed it a
Speaker 1: lot though. Yeah, well I was there back when it
Speaker 1: Like I said, three p W. I know the difference
Speaker 1: of the change. I just never got to work there
Speaker 1: back when it was you know, the original arena it was.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it's something so exciting, you know.
Speaker 1: I think literally I've been lucky. The only real major
Speaker 1: arena left is the Garden for me, because I did
Speaker 1: Arena Mexico, I've done Cork and Hall, I've done the
Speaker 1: ECW Arena, you know, and that's and I did also
Speaker 1: in England there's one called Croydon Fairfield Halls and Croydon
Speaker 1: in London, which is like the historic British venue. So
Speaker 1: I've been lucky to see it all and do it all.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Garden's the last one left. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was at the Garden and I prefer the arena whatever,
Speaker 1: crazy reason. The thing is, the overall energy is different
Speaker 1: now and rest Yes, you know again, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people hate Jim Cornett and the way he preaches,
Speaker 1: but you know he's got a very a lot of
Speaker 1: violot points about. You know, there's a difference between an
Speaker 1: emotional investment and a physical and visual investment. I say
Speaker 1: it's the difference. Let's say you know that the home
Speaker 1: run derby versus Game seven of the World Series. You know,
Speaker 1: if you see home runs, you're gonna get excited. But
Speaker 1: what do you want? You just want another home run.
Speaker 1: But when it's the bottom of the seventh, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're down by two in Game seven, you're you know,
Speaker 1: everything's on the line. So your heart, your brain, in
Speaker 1: your eyes are invested in this emotion. You know, wrestling's
Speaker 1: not like that right now. People are doing so much,
Speaker 1: you know, exciting cool things for that instant gratification on
Speaker 1: Twitter or whatnot. And now that's why the fans almost
Speaker 1: they're more, their attention spans shorter. They don't have that
Speaker 1: genuine emotion. Watch a match for me now, I always
Speaker 1: talking about November November ninety seven, Bam Bam and Sean Shane.
Speaker 1: When Shane wins, every fist in the building is raised
Speaker 1: in the air. I vividly remember the only time I
Speaker 1: ever know my mom mark out was jumps up in
Speaker 1: the air. You don't get that investment anymore, you know,
Speaker 1: you get a this is awesome chance and you get
Speaker 1: maybe you know, a standing ovation because of oh hey,
Speaker 1: that was a really good match. It's just different, you know,
Speaker 1: and I luckily try to keep you know, try to
Speaker 1: get a few elements of that back the best I can.
Speaker 1: But I think that being said, that's all part of me,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of being a slow burn. People kind
Speaker 1: of appreciate it, but it takes a little longer, so
Speaker 1: that I probably also goes back to why I not
Speaker 1: signed anywhere right now? Yeah, well, you're doing wonderful. Maybe
Speaker 1: I just suck. It could be that. Fuck I feel yes, now,
Speaker 1: you don't suck promoters. Let Sam do his thing, yes,
Speaker 1: and let the world see how talented he is. How
Speaker 1: about that. I appreciate that. I just yeah, to take
Speaker 1: your thumb off him and let him work. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's what we did last night. There was a guy
Speaker 1: down here that Nobe Bryant was his name. He actually
Speaker 1: he was working for All Japan at the same time
Speaker 1: I was, but we were never on the same tour,
Speaker 1: so I never met him. And last night, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying wrestling a lot right now because I haven't
Speaker 1: had too much of it, But that was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite matches I ever had because we're both in
Speaker 1: the same weight length. You know, we were both just clicking.
Speaker 1: We went about twenty five minutes and people were just
Speaker 1: into it. So we had so much fun. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm excited for another match tomorrow night, and I'm just
Speaker 1: happy to pick things back up a little bit. And
Speaker 1: that's the key word. You're having fun and you're enjoying
Speaker 1: what you're doing. So where can the people find you?
Speaker 1: On social media? I'm on Instagram and Twitter at real Samas.
Speaker 1: My Instagram is basically just wonderful pictures of me and
Speaker 1: I'll I'll get my girlfriend the other. The Twitter is
Speaker 1: mostly I just always like kind of share old wrestling
Speaker 1: videos and matches and stuff because I'm still sick with it.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it. I just I mean, it's everything
Speaker 1: I've ever loved. So I find the most obscure match
Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy and if it's I always share what
Speaker 1: I'm watching with Twitter. So a lot of people now
Speaker 1: are getting to see something they wouldn't see anywhere else,
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Speaker 1: putting yourself over, because if you don't put yourself over,
Speaker 1: no one else will. I always help you. That follow
Speaker 1: it up, there's a very important man in the restling
Speaker 1: business that was actually mad at me because I put
Speaker 1: myself over on Twitter, and I'm like, what the hell
Speaker 1: you're doing me a job? I'm I'm an independent. If
Speaker 1: I don't tell people how good I am, They're not
Speaker 1: gonna think I'm good. I'm not gonna get booked. So
Speaker 1: how can I put myself over too much of I'm good?
Speaker 1: I just I just give up. You know, I just
Speaker 1: kind of go with the flow now and have fun
Speaker 1: and smile. You have to promote your brand. You need
Speaker 1: to believe in yourself because if you don't, nobody else
Speaker 1: will believe in you. So you keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I think you're doing an excellent job of promoting yourself
Speaker 1: and just screw the haters. Just do you, kid, and
Speaker 1: you'll go very far in this business. That means a
Speaker 1: lot coming from one of my childhood crushes. So thank you, well,
Speaker 1: thank you. My heart is full. I appreciate this interview
Speaker 1: was very insightful by the way I enjoyed it. I
Speaker 1: think I come off as grumpy Stemes and I'm not. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you were very pleasant. Because I'm in the room, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I like to give I like to put
Speaker 1: myself over sometimes, so maybe it was because of me.
Speaker 1: It's not because of chat, that's for sure. Everybody's counting
Speaker 1: me out of this. I mean, I'm a huge part
Speaker 1: of it. I didn't let you guys get enough in.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, no, you were very insightful. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: have you back on in the future, but good luck
Speaker 1: with your tour for the next couple of days and
Speaker 1: come on. Oh I know we love Yes, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I love it. I'm shy now now that I'm
Speaker 1: a camera. I can't sing Abba for the masses. I
Speaker 1: sing all the time. People's ears bleep. I can't sing,
Speaker 1: but I sing. I don't care. And we'll do some
Speaker 1: some songs together. How about finished the lyric. You can
Speaker 1: do Patreon extras with me one day. I'll study up
Speaker 1: on my lyrics and then we'll play a game with it. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, write that down, Chad. We'll have him back
Speaker 1: and we'll do some market You're delightful, Sam, Thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on. And I'm sure we'll keep in touch
Speaker 1: on the on the Twitter. As the kids say, and
Speaker 1: don't get hurt. I'm sure. Yeah. Maybe i'll see you
Speaker 1: somewhere soon. I don't know. Did he leave? Is he gone?
Speaker 1: He's there, he's there there, all right, now say goodbye
Speaker 1: because we're losing. He for on a show sometime this year.
Speaker 1: We'll see all right now, I'm kicking him out see it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know what's going on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. I'll tell you something. And here's why. I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to say it, but here's why he's not
Speaker 1: going to get booked a lot because he's six foot
Speaker 1: four and everybody else is like five foot four, so
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a taller than everybody. I didn't know
Speaker 1: he was that tall. Yeah, he's a big six four
Speaker 1: two fifty Wow. Yeah, see, I like I said, I
Speaker 1: he was telling me that we met but at an
Speaker 1: autograph signing and he was like eleven and I was like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. So he's like probably like five a
Speaker 1: you know, one eighty. Oh okay, I was still taller
Speaker 1: than made at that point, unless then I would tell her.
Speaker 1: But he's a he's a nice guy, very very smart
Speaker 1: for the business. Vers Yeah, a couple of great points
Speaker 1: to follow up on it. And I talked about this
Speaker 1: with Shane the other day. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw the story about hul Hogan last week when he
Speaker 1: was at the Monday Night Raw taping. There was a
Speaker 1: he did an interview to promote it where he talked
Speaker 1: about how and this is dialent back to what you said.
Speaker 1: He doesn't get a response from the kids when he
Speaker 1: goes backstage. Everybody's kind of cold to him. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I've been backstage where Shane comes
Speaker 1: in and the guys shake his hand whatever. But this
Speaker 1: is Hulk Hogan in the WWE. Do you think it's
Speaker 1: because of the racial stuff. I think that's a part
Speaker 1: of it. But he says he gets the vibe that
Speaker 1: people feel like he's coming to steal the main event,
Speaker 1: and he said those days are well behind me, folks,
Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about that. And this whole
Speaker 1: discussion came out all over you know, Twitter and Instagram
Speaker 1: and Facebook and everything about how the veterans of your era,
Speaker 1: the Hogan era and before are perceived. Now it's this
Speaker 1: cold shoulder because everybody is like either intimidated a that
Speaker 1: you guys were such big stars, or by they don't
Speaker 1: know who you are and they don't know how to
Speaker 1: react to you and to me, both of those should
Speaker 1: be completely put to decide, because you're coming in and
Speaker 1: you should be greeted. I feel this way. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, with the whole Corona thing, I don't want
Speaker 1: to shake hands. Yeah, no way for me. It's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't care. But seriously, I feel like even if
Speaker 1: you don't know know who we are right and we're
Speaker 1: coming in, you could still shake somebody's hand and introduce
Speaker 1: yourself right like you know. I'm not expecting people to
Speaker 1: look at the card and say, oh, I have to
Speaker 1: study matches because you know Shannon Francine. No, I don't
Speaker 1: care if they don't know who I am. I don't
Speaker 1: care if they didn't watch ECW. But a nice hello
Speaker 1: would be welcoming. You know, when I go into these
Speaker 1: locker rooms and I see these kids, I always walk
Speaker 1: up to them and I always say Hi, I'm Francy,
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. And I get two responses. I
Speaker 1: either get the limp handshake and they're looking in the
Speaker 1: sky and they don't care, or I get I know
Speaker 1: exactly who you are, either one or the other. You know,
Speaker 1: and even if you don't give a shit who I am,
Speaker 1: act like you do. You're a worker. You can put
Speaker 1: it on for five seconds and just be like, hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going. People are ignorant. Yeah, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: I know we were raised in this business differently, and
Speaker 1: I know it's a different time and we have to
Speaker 1: adapt to the times. And it takes five seconds to
Speaker 1: smile at someone or say hello. It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you to put me over and say
Speaker 1: how great I am. I'm just hello, how are you?
Speaker 1: That's it. Don't get it. I don't get I just
Speaker 1: watched this documentary from nineteen eighty five from Salt Lake City, Utah,
Speaker 1: about you know, pro wrestling. The guy was actually he
Speaker 1: kept calling it wrestling. He would say rassele, rassele, wrassele,
Speaker 1: And he was at an Awa event and he was
Speaker 1: getting interviews from like Kurt Henny, and Kurd Henny was
Speaker 1: like twenty five years old. This great, great documentary. But
Speaker 1: the respect that this guy had for the business and
Speaker 1: how everybody protected it, I think if it went back
Speaker 1: to that, you would see a completely different generation coming
Speaker 1: into the business. And I think what Sam said, kids
Speaker 1: who are basically training now started watching in the mid
Speaker 1: two thousands, where okay fabe really was on its way out.
Speaker 1: We started seeing more and more about the you know,
Speaker 1: the back end stuff, shoot, interviews, interviews, YadA YadA, YadA U.
Speaker 1: And I think that the uh not a lore like
Speaker 1: the I don't know, like the the curtains. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the curtain was pulled back enough where people don't
Speaker 1: give a shit anymore and they could kind of beat
Speaker 1: to their own drum. Sam had an advantage. You know,
Speaker 1: Sam's dad, right, so he was taught. I hate to
Speaker 1: say the right way, but the old school way is
Speaker 1: what I will refer to. It's a different era, I
Speaker 1: get it, you know, and people do different things, and
Speaker 1: I just feel a common courtesy just be nice. You know,
Speaker 1: they were not asking you to bow at our feet.
Speaker 1: It's just if you look up and say hello. Now,
Speaker 1: people are tying their boots, you know, they're hunched over
Speaker 1: in their chair, they're going over their match, and you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't get two words set to you. So we
Speaker 1: just go sometimes and we just sit in our own
Speaker 1: corner and people are really nice. But some people just
Speaker 1: don't care. And I guess that's indie wrestling today. And hey,
Speaker 1: if it works for you, by all means, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's just it's an ever evolving business. I guess that's
Speaker 1: the way you could say. It's ever evolving, you know,
Speaker 1: for the better. Possibly, you know, it's it's very it's
Speaker 1: a it's an odd thing to kind of quantify because
Speaker 1: ratings are down, right, but guys are making money. Who
Speaker 1: are you know, signing contracts and are employed and having
Speaker 1: to work a lighter schedule and it's it's just it's
Speaker 1: a weird time. Merchandise is at an all time high.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a very weird, weird time to be
Speaker 1: in wrestling. I feel like the hustle isn't as h
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's not there as much as
Speaker 1: when we were on the road. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: we had to hustle a lot more. I feel like
Speaker 1: these days, and and social media is a big part
Speaker 1: of it too, things are easier, I think for guys
Speaker 1: and girls that are in the business today because, like
Speaker 1: Sam was saying, he's on Twitter promoting himself and getting
Speaker 1: himself over, and we didn't have these features, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And we all we relied on was
Speaker 1: our entring work. Uh. You had to be there to
Speaker 1: see us and our television and that's that's all we had.
Speaker 1: But there's so many different things today that these guys
Speaker 1: and girls have, you know, uh, the opportunity to use
Speaker 1: and tools, and I just feel like it's a lot
Speaker 1: easier to get out there and promote yourself than it
Speaker 1: was when I was in the business because I had
Speaker 1: to rely on others to help me. We don't even't
Speaker 1: have media and stuff like that. It was TV. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he u's your television slot. Yeah, that was it. So
Speaker 1: and like we've talked about the random news story that
Speaker 1: was done, you know, where you got spread out a
Speaker 1: little bit more to a while, that's it. Or a newspaper.
Speaker 1: You guys are going to Asbury Park and now you're
Speaker 1: in the Asbury Park Press for Friday before the show.
Speaker 1: We had the magazines because the magazines were hot back then,
Speaker 1: not so much today. But if you didn't buy the magazine,
Speaker 1: you didn't, you know. And then ninety percent of the
Speaker 1: articles were fake in the right exactly, So it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the truth was out there. But I just feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not saying they're not working as hard, because
Speaker 1: they certainly are. But all I'm saying is they have
Speaker 1: more opportunities to get themselves out there and promote their
Speaker 1: brand than we did, you know. And and brand wasn't
Speaker 1: a word in the nineties. We didn't have brands. It
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, I'm a wrestler, Hey I work
Speaker 1: for this company. That was it, you know. So there's
Speaker 1: there's plenty of opportunity out there, and it's great. I'm
Speaker 1: happy for everyone, but it's it's a different time. It's
Speaker 1: completely different. If he was good at selling T shirts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, And like he said, how FCW was was
Speaker 1: built in a complete different model. Why didn't somebody from
Speaker 1: FCW go to the office and say, look, this guy's
Speaker 1: great in the ring, but he's got a sales knack
Speaker 1: to him. What can you guys do with the guy
Speaker 1: who can sell stuff like that? That's what I don't
Speaker 1: get about how certain things work out. If he had
Speaker 1: a neck for being able to sell merchandise, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you accentuate that. I have an angle Right now, he's
Speaker 1: the merch guy. He's selling T shirts. You put him
Speaker 1: in the ring and you make him toss T shirts out,
Speaker 1: somebody comes out, says something negative to him, and he
Speaker 1: does a great move, and then people can see that
Speaker 1: he's a worker, right exactly. Why not do something like that?
Speaker 1: What did you used to do? Used to be ring crew?
Speaker 1: The ring crew guys would get beat up and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they fight back and never something
Speaker 1: to show people. Yeah, I am a worker. I can work. No,
Speaker 1: I like thatll T shirts. I mean, I'm not a booker,
Speaker 1: and I can come up with these all day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very easy. Yeah, it's not rocks. But that's why I
Speaker 1: wanted to get into your business from back then and
Speaker 1: not what was ultimately today's wrestling business. I wanted to
Speaker 1: get into the old school. And when I showed up
Speaker 1: for my first day working in the WWTV studio and
Speaker 1: I had to wear a suit, does the worst day
Speaker 1: of my life? Okay? Because I'm like Renegades wrestling T shirts,
Speaker 1: Zubez snake skin boots and I'm working in a TV
Speaker 1: studio in a suit. So I was like, this is
Speaker 1: already off on the wrong foot. Your suit was my bikini.
Speaker 1: There you go? They see? Is something about it? Two
Speaker 1: different ends of the spectrum, right, absolutely? Yeah, Well he
Speaker 1: seems like a great guy, so happy we had him on. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I can't get over how good you sound on this microphone.
Speaker 1: I swear you sound fantastic. Thank you very much, amore.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be great on the games that we play
Speaker 1: on Patreon where you can lean in and answer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thanks for making noises? Now that's the noise? Was that
Speaker 1: the noise of a bird tapping on a window? Should
Speaker 1: I whisper? Can you hear me? Yes? Very clearly, very true? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so yeah, all the best to Sam and
Speaker 1: we will go into Patreon links will do our plugs
Speaker 1: at the end again like we did last time. You
Speaker 1: and I will splice him in as much easier on
Speaker 1: the old chadstar there but on Patreon. This week, we're
Speaker 1: gonna play something that Francine has brought to the table.
Speaker 1: I supposed to do this last week, but Chadster jumped
Speaker 1: the gun. We are going to play a game called
Speaker 1: Dead or Alive. Wan it. So what's the purpose of
Speaker 1: dead or Alive? What's the purpose? Like, will give me
Speaker 1: the objective of the game. See if I know if
Speaker 1: they're living or deceased. Okay, well there you go, so dead.
Speaker 1: I believe it was our Patreon member Pat that suggested that,
Speaker 1: And if I'm wrong, I'll correct myself. But I think
Speaker 1: it was Pat who said, oh, Dead or Alive would
Speaker 1: be a fun game. Yes, yeah, so we'll see so
Speaker 1: Dead or Alive. We were also speaking of Patrick. He
Speaker 1: will be this week Patreon member spotlight where we're gonna
Speaker 1: get get to meet him. And this is one of
Speaker 1: the perks of Patreon. Now for the new year, if
Speaker 1: you join, we're going to schedule you to come on,
Speaker 1: introduce yourself, talk to us, tell us what you're looking for,
Speaker 1: tell us what you like, and you get to chit
Speaker 1: chat and shoot the breeze and you get to talk
Speaker 1: to the Queen of Extreme. That's a win win in
Speaker 1: my book. I feel like I'm on that tier every
Speaker 1: week I get to chitchat with the Queen of Extreme.
Speaker 1: And then see, I was going back and forth on
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do for the watch along, and
Speaker 1: I actually I thought I had found another match with
Speaker 1: Jazz and Steve Carino. Again, it was mislabeled and it
Speaker 1: was exactly the same match that you guys did on
Speaker 1: TV on a house show identical. So I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I can't do that one back to back.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll revisit it in another time. But this one's interesting.
Speaker 1: This is a little longer, but we're going to talk
Speaker 1: during it about one participant of it. But it's also
Speaker 1: a pretty big match Tommy Dreamer versus Just Incredible from
Speaker 1: heat Wave two thousand. I have zero recollection of Gorgeous
Speaker 1: George c W zero zero, but I watched a few
Speaker 1: minutes and I saw you take her fricking head off
Speaker 1: with a kendostick, And we're going to talk about that
Speaker 1: during the match, so but that wasn't during this match.
Speaker 1: I know, I saw that and it led me to
Speaker 1: get to this and this match is longer, so we
Speaker 1: can talk about it because it wasn't a long stretch
Speaker 1: of time. But I have zero recollection of this and
Speaker 1: I love George so much, so that was hard for
Speaker 1: me to do. I smacked the living shit out of her.
Speaker 1: But yes, we'll talk about it later. Yes, So that's
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do on on Patreon this coming week.
Speaker 1: If you want to follow me, it's at Chad E
Speaker 1: and B on Instagram and Twitter and head over to
Speaker 1: my website Ibexclusives dot com. We got a lot of
Speaker 1: autograph signings in the pipeline, have things coming up, and
Speaker 1: again I'll just tease this again. I have something like
Speaker 1: this coming in the future. Okay, we'll talk about that
Speaker 1: at a later date. We'll do those later on. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do that at the end again. Okay. So that's
Speaker 1: all I got. That's all you got. When when are
Speaker 1: Diamond Conversations coming back? Possibly at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: moving moving it to the Creative Control Network because they
Speaker 1: need sports content. But I think it works best in
Speaker 1: season rather than during the off season, which you would
Speaker 1: think it might be the opposite, but it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it kind of fits better when it's going on, when
Speaker 1: the season's happening. So we'll be back probably around spring
Speaker 1: training in you know March. Ish awesome. Okay, Well, for
Speaker 1: me across the board, it is at ECW, DVA Francine, Twitter, Instagram,
Speaker 1: I think my fan Facebook page, I don't know. Cameos
Speaker 1: are a hot, hot commodity. You want a cameo, you
Speaker 1: have to go to my Twitter to book because if
Speaker 1: you don't, they take fifty five percent, those bastards. So
Speaker 1: come on ever to Twitter and book book a cameo
Speaker 1: for yourself or for a friend. And my Twitch is
Speaker 1: my new amazing baby and I am loving it and
Speaker 1: I'm going so far three days a week. So if
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Speaker 1: you to give me a follow on twitch. It is
Speaker 1: www dot Twitch, dot tv, Forward Slash, ECW Diva, Francine
Speaker 1: Awesome and uh yeah, another another fun one in the book.
Speaker 1: So we can we can say goodbye for this week. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well that's a wrap. Then