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Speaker 1: yet to franccene, but there we got a couple doozies

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Speaker 1: You're already dropping innuego. Yeah, we get a little naughty

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Speaker 1: you're welcome for bringing you into this way. Yeah, thanks

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Speaker 1: all as always by bringing bringing the podcasting world this

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Speaker 1: been pretty busy. You know. The stuff going on in

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Speaker 1: is broken Disney Disney World is discontinuing the Magical Express.

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Speaker 1: was an been promoter for years, so like I in wrestling,

422
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: if you're wrestling fan of Pittsburgh, you know me and

423
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: you know my brother. So I mean, it's happened a

424
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: few times where I've been stopping for lunch or something,

425
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: Hey are you Samon Donnas, and I'm dressing my Amazon

426
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: uniform and whatnot. So so over tell the people who

427
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: your brother is if they don't know, I am actually

428
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: the younger brother of ww's Corey Graves. So now let

429
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: me ask you. Go ahead, go ahead, I just I

430
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: don't really it's I've been wrestling for thirteen years now,

431
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: and you'd be surprised how few people actually know that

432
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: We've actually really had very separate careers, and I'm proud

433
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: of it, of them without being known as his little brother.

434
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: But I guess now that it's coming out a little

435
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: bit more, and I guess maybe I'm being seen a

436
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: little bit more, it's probably starting to help my cause.

437
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: Finally people say, oh, yeah, your Graves brother. So I've

438
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: been able to do a lot by myself, but now

439
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to be synonymous with the guy

440
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: that calls the shows on Monday nights and Friday nights.

441
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: Just say Sterling James Keenan. Everybody will know that that

442
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: was so long ago. That was yeah. I don't know

443
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: if you know an him press scene from I don't

444
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: know if you did a three p W. Do you

445
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: remember Meeni's company? I do. My brother used to wrestle

446
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: there a lot, so I was probably maybe fourteen or

447
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: fifteen being coming to three PW with him. I used

448
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: to go to E c W at the Bouldome in Manaka.

449
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: That's where I used to I was kidding. And then

450
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, my brother started working at the arena,

451
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: but E CW was gone. So I mean, I've known

452
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys for years because my brother,

453
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, Meani and Dreamer. Like it's kind of cool

454
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: because I was such a fan as a kid, and

455
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: just like little things like this being able to talk

456
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: to you today, it's like it's kind of surreal in

457
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: a weird way, you know, because you guys, you had

458
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: mentioned that you and I have met before. What kind

459
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: of got it was just an autograph sign I get

460
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: National market in robo mall. I think it was November

461
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: to remember, weekend of ninety seven. I know Bam Bam herself,

462
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: Chris and uh and Shane Diava was wrong. It was

463
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: so cool because like I was a starstruck and I

464
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: was kind of weird because I was I was born

465
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: in eighty nine, but my brother and dad were the

466
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: biggest wrestling fans. So when I was born, they had

467
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: all VHS tapes, We had all the you know with

468
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: Class of the Champions, with all Memphis TV tapes and like,

469
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: even though my earliest memories of wrestling were like, let's say,

470
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: Razor Ramone and Shawn Michaels at the Eel and like

471
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: that was my That's what I remember. But I wasn't

472
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: ever too into like what's currently happening. I was always

473
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: watching old tapes. I loved the Saturda Night's main events,

474
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: so the Class of the Champions or you know Memphis

475
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: in the eighties, and I kind of paid attention to

476
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: what was happening, but I always felt like there was

477
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: more out there, so we'd always get the aftermags and everything,

478
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: and ECW was getting pushed so hard. I remember remember

479
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: on weekends, I'd stay up to UH and sleep in

480
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: the basement on the couch, and it was like twelve

481
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: thirty at night and I wake up, I flicking through

482
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: the channels and e c w's on. I literally recapt

483
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: jump out of bed, Run Officers Dad. E c w's on, Matt,

484
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: Wake Up. E c w's on, wakes Up, My mom

485
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: wakes up and puts a pot of coffee on. This

486
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: is I think maybe December ninety six, so I was,

487
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, six years old, and it was just it

488
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: was a at that point we were hooked. I was

489
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: so so addicted to that, and then you know, just

490
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: the ECW led me to finding Japanese wrestling and Mexican

491
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: wrestling and kind of just you know, branching out from

492
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: being an American wrestling fan and that ultimately has been

493
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: the major influence of my career. I love that story.

494
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: That's great. I do have a question for you. What

495
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: is the age difference between you and your brother? He's

496
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: five years older than me. Okay, yeah, he was her

497
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: he helped train you. Yeah. Yeah. My dad had an

498
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: independent company in Pittsburgh at the time, and I was,

499
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: I guess sixteen. So my dad we got like a

500
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: rental unit and we put the ring up and my

501
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: brother was actually my trainer. And I'm actually the only

502
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: wrestler from the school that still wrestles. But that's kind

503
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: of natural. I was using the analogy that if your

504
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: parents own a bakery, probably bake a pretty good cake,

505
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: so it's bit in the blood. And then luckily O

506
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: Wrestlings showed me a lot of things and now I'm

507
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: fluent in Spanish because of it. Okay, well, you know

508
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: your brother works for WWA. We all know that there's

509
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: a connection because he's your brother. Why don't we see

510
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: you working there. Have you had an opportunity to like

511
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: have a tryout or go to like you know, train

512
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: or anything because of it? Or does not want to

513
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: pull strings? I had a contract before my brother did.

514
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: I was signed to W twenty eleven and I was, Yeah,

515
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: I was there for like a year and it was

516
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: just stawful. I didn't do well. I was a kid.

517
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: I just it was you know, it was a really

518
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: overwhelming situation for a kid with my life experience. So

519
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: I got released and h it's just timing just has

520
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: never really been on my side, you know, you know

521
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: as well as I do. There's a lot about timing

522
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: in this business. And I've done so much international travel

523
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: that you know, I think now that the independent scene

524
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: is its own thing, and I'm almost even though I'm

525
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: well experienced in the international wrestling and the rest as

526
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: a whole, there's so many you know, hot indie companies

527
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: that have their own hot stars, and there's a pecking

528
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: order that I'm almost not involved in because you know

529
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: that pecking order is established in the local independency. Well

530
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm in Japan or Mexico, I'm not in that pecking order.

531
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: So I think it's a matter of time, you know.

532
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: I definitely think my best years ahead of me. I've

533
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: just you know, I've been working hard. There there's not

534
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: too many guys my age, my size, with my experience

535
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: my ability, so like I would like to think that,

536
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, my best years are ahead of me, But

537
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't really want to ask my brother, hey,

538
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: get me a job, because you know, no, Yeah, but

539
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: at this point, you've been in the business a very

540
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: long time. He's been there a very long time. I

541
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: would think, you know, something would have crossed by now. Yeah.

542
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think that. But yeah,

543
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't, I don't. I have no

544
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: idea what it is. But I'm just having fun and

545
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: enjoying it right now. I think when the time's right,

546
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: somebody would come to me somewhere, especially now that you know,

547
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: the competition is building again. Now there's more places to work,

548
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: and you know, eventually, I hope, you know, and this

549
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: is something for all of us independent guys. I hope

550
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: it gets to the point when they start hiring people

551
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 1: so the competition can't have them, you know, and then

552
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of guys with jobs and looks.

553
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: If we can repeat what happened in ninety nine, two thousand,

554
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's a better place for all of us. Yeah,

555
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: I I agree with that. It's it's great to see

556
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, aw nwa roh. It's great to see these

557
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: companies kind of not step up. But I mean it's

558
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: it's like everybody's joining forces against like WWE right now

559
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: to try and combat with them, because they were the

560
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: only game for a long time and now they're being challenged.

561
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: And I love that, and I love that there's more

562
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: places for guys to work. So there's so much talent,

563
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: like you're one of them. There's so much independent talent

564
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: out there, and not enough people get their opportunity to

565
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: shine on television. So this is the way I've always

566
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: looked at it, though, is it's a marathon, not a sprint.

567
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's in my blood. And I almost

568
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I almost peaked too early when I signed in twenty eleven.

569
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: It was ready to be there, and that taught me

570
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: that like, Okay, this isn't something I want to do

571
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: while now, and this is something I'm doing for my life,

572
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, I want a career. I look at a

573
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: guy like aj Styles as super inspirational because he signed

574
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: with them to be at forty years old, and he

575
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: came in on the top and just you know, took

576
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: off and did really well. Maybe that's my path. You know,

577
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not going to get there for five more years,

578
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: but when when I get hired, you're not hiring a

579
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: young kid that has to play by the rules and

580
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: do you know, go through the package they're in the system,

581
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, Okay, this guy's one of the best

582
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: talents on earth. We have to do something with them. So,

583
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of things in my favor

584
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: patience being one of them. But I definitely think there's

585
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: something good on the horizon that that twenty eleven time too,

586
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of like a rough time to be in

587
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: developmental because they're making the switch and they're kind of

588
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: putting into place the plan that they'd have now and

589
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of sink or swim. So for you being

590
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: so young at the time, that's that's like a that's

591
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: like oil and water. You know, it's not going to mix.

592
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: The thing that was really difficult about my time in

593
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: FCW is right before NXT. It was almost a conflict

594
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: of interest because FCW was not owned by ww R

595
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: had to promote their own events and make their money

596
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: aside from WWE, so they had their own priorities. They

597
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: had the stars they wanted to push that they think

598
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: are going to sell tickets at the local markets and I,

599
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy they need to sell their merchandise and

600
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: do it, you know, for the local business as opposed

601
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: to creating a star that's getting ready for national business.

602
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: So for example, W hired me to get ready and

603
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you know who knows what they wanted

604
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: to do with me. But I was a WW employee.

605
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: Well I was really good at selling merch at the

606
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: merch table. I was a hustler. I'd you know, move stuff.

607
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: So every Friday or Saturday night it was Hey, Sam,

608
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: you're on merch. I'm like, can I have a match?

609
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, you merch you know this, and I'm thinking, like,

610
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: what the hell? You know, WD had no idea this

611
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: was going on. You know, they come down once a

612
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: month and you know, send the agents and talk to

613
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: us and you guys really need to want this and

614
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: do it. You know, they preached. They were blue in

615
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: the face, and I didn't want to be a stud

616
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: huge and call the boss and say, hey, what the

617
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: hell I'm you know, I can't get a match. But

618
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: at the same time, the longer I was selling merch,

619
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: the lower my value went. You know, I wasn't getting

620
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: opportunity to didn't see anything in me. There was no

621
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: return on their investment because I'm just selling merchandise. And then,

622
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, I had a knee surgery in about you know,

623
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: five days after I was clear. They cut me because

624
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: he's been there a year now, he hasn't done anything. Well,

625
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, I hate to blame anyone else for my

626
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: own misfortune, but there was a lot of circumstances beyond

627
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: my control. Understood well March huh, Yeah, I mean it's

628
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: just this this charming smile of mind. You know, I

629
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: can sell a lot of programs with it, the good Cop,

630
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: Bad Cop, with some of those people who were on

631
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: the fence about buying stuff. Exactly again, I mentioned my

632
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: dad on an independent show and just growing up around it.

633
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: I've always had such like a thirst for the business,

634
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: and I've always wanted to pay my dues. Not because oh,

635
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: you have to build a ring, because that's what you're

636
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: supposed to do. I couldn't wrestle, So let me build

637
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: the ring, let me sell the merch let me carry

638
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: the guys right, let me ring the bell. Anything I

639
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: could do, I wanted to do. And this started at

640
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, twelve or thirteen years old, and this is

641
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: something that has been invaluable in my wrestling career because

642
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, I've been on independent shows where they couldn't

643
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: even tie the curtain off on the ring, and I said,

644
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: let me do this. You know, I got this. Just

645
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: there's so many things that have helped me because of

646
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: growing up in that, and you know, merchandise being one

647
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: of it. You know, I would sell merchant hustle, you know,

648
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: how to talk to people, and you know, coming from

649
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: a background like that, the one thing I when I

650
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: was fifteen or sixteen, me and my dad would argue

651
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: till we till we were just angry at each other

652
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: because I didn't understand the consumers is what we're looking for.

653
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: I always want to say, let's book these guys. They're

654
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: going to have a great match, and my dad will say,

655
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: these people in this town aren't going to give a

656
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: crap about these guys. Yeah they're big on the internet,

657
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: but they're not going to sell tickets. So it kind of,

658
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, trained me to understand what the paying public enjoys.

659
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: And now as a performer, I understand it's not about

660
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: what I want to do. It's about what the fans

661
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: want to see, you know, and just performing for the

662
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: masses as opposed to a bit of a you know,

663
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: segregated demographic. I'm not just trying to get over on

664
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: the internet. I want to move as many tickets as

665
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: I can. I want people to come to our shows

666
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, you know that would be is great.

667
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: But saming, honest is my favorite wrestling. Yeah, and it's

668
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: also a group effort and you're trying to better the

669
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: company and not just put yourself over. So I love that.

670
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: That's that's a great point that you're trying to make there. Well,

671
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: we're in a weird situation now because it is it's

672
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: such a selfish, self centered industry, and with social media,

673
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: you have to be selfish to be seen, you know.

674
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: And the thing it's it's it's blows my mind that

675
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: you know, I've wrestled. I worked a bunch of times

676
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: for All Japan Pro Wrestling, and I worked in Mexico

677
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: City for CML, And every time I'm there, you know,

678
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: I know what I can do, but I know what

679
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: my bosses want me to do. So for example, in Mexico,

680
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: we had to train and do all the high spots,

681
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: had to do all the moon soalts everything once a week.

682
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: We had to do this at like a wrestling practice classes,

683
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: and you had to perform at this class or you're

684
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: not booked on the shows. So I had to earn

685
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: my spot on these shows every week killing it. Then

686
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: on Friday night there'd be ten thousand people to Arena

687
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: Mexico and I'm rest a Negro Cassis and I want

688
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: to do all my fancy stuff that I just practiced

689
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: on Wednesday and said no, no, no, you're a heel.

690
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: You don't do that. Don't do that, You're a heel.

691
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: So I'm punching and kicking and the thing is about

692
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: like the internet fan base, if they're watching that, they're saying,

693
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: why the hell Samon Donnison CML he doesn't do any

694
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: high spots. We want to see lucha. My boss is

695
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: were over the moon. They loved me. I was making

696
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: great money. We're actually drawing money, which is you know,

697
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: almost a lost arm these days. But we made money

698
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: for the company. Everything was great. But because I wasn't selfish,

699
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: because I worked for the company and for my bosses,

700
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, affected me on the back

701
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: end because now I come to the United States like, yeah,

702
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: I saw, I'm an expert. He doesn't do anything that,

703
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: he's nothing special. Yeah, but don't you think the fans

704
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: are smarter these days as well because of the Internet

705
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: and they know that it's the office and it's not you. No, No,

706
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it's no that at all. I think, honestly,

707
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: people don't understand that because I go against the grade.

708
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: I think it's the general idea is get your shit

709
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: in because you need to get that gift on the internet.

710
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: You need to be seen and you need to go viral.

711
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: And I think everybody has one train of thought that. Again,

712
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: maybe I'm insane because I'm a mark for the eighties

713
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: and nineties that it shouldn't be the old school way.

714
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: But I've almost bail off my nose to spite my

715
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: face because you know, I've heard it, I've seen it

716
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter and whatnot. It's, oh my god, why is

717
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: Sam and Donnas in all Japan? He doesn't do anything?

718
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: Oh why see? And it's like, well, you know, there's

719
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: a lot more than that. If that's the case, then

720
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't I think the

721
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: fans almost get too much credit sometimes for being the pulse.

722
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: But you know, it's all about making your own social

723
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: media important, and we didn't have social media, so we

724
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: couldn't benefit off that. I mean, I've bet I just

725
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: joined Twitter three years ago and still have trouble navigating sometimes.

726
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: But what you guys did is you all played for

727
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: the team you had, you know, thirty or forty wrestlers,

728
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: all doing their part the best they could. Now there's

729
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: no your part. It's you want to be the show.

730
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: It's almost more of a competition. I don't like that.

731
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's the difference between an independent In

732
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, a good indie house is two hundred and

733
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: fifty three hundred. That's a good house, you know. In

734
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: ninety nine a good indie house was twelve hundred and

735
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred. Because you guys understood it's not competition. Now

736
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: we're of the mentality. There's some locker rooms, some big

737
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: locker rooms of these big events. I don't like being

738
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: in because the pressure is too high. All of us

739
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: walk in like we're the cock of the walk. We're

740
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: the best one there. We know what we're doing and

741
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: it's follow that, you know, and then by the fourth

742
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: match of fans are burnt out. And you know, when

743
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: when you give the fans that much power, they know

744
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: they're in control and they don't want to enjoy the

745
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: wrest of them. They just want to critique it. So

746
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, one great show that draw

747
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: us three hundred people, next Time has you know, two

748
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty people, Following Time has one hundred and

749
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: fifty people, and then something that was a great thing,

750
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, kind of tapers off. Yeah. See, I don't

751
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: like that. I'm not going to lie. And the difference

752
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: now is because I've done In twenty nineteen, I did

753
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: a couple of shows with Shane because I said, I'm

754
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: not going to work anymore. I can't bump because I've

755
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: had so many surgeries and if I take a bump

756
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: things can go wrong. My doctor said absolutely no ring right,

757
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: But I did managing for him. We're not the main

758
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: event anymore. Obviously, it's about the younger kids, and we

759
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: get it, and Shane's good. Shane will put anybody over

760
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: like we're good with that. But we're usually like second

761
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: third match, you know, And it's different than when you're

762
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: always main eventing, different dynamic. And I noticed the houses

763
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: are smaller and some kids don't even say hi when

764
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: you walk into the locker room. And I said, well,

765
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: I said, when I grew up, you had to go

766
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: around shake everyone's hand, that was the law. Now they

767
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: don't maybe they don't even know who we are, but

768
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: they don't even acknowledge you. So it's certain dynamic. It

769
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: drives me nuts because again I went the old school route,

770
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: and I love classic wrestling. Ninety five percent of independent

771
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: wrestlers now, their first memory of wrestling would be, let's say,

772
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: the Ed Guerrero era two thousand and four. So, like,

773
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, WB has done such a great job of

774
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of rewriting history, you know, the way it fits

775
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: into their their system. There's almost just there's so many

776
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: massive stars that are just virtually obsolete now and if

777
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: you go into arrest of the block room, you can't say,

778
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, you can't even say, oh, yeah, this this

779
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: you know Jack Briscoe is you know, is he the

780
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: father of the Briscos from Ringham Honor? You know, like

781
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: that's one thing, like I get along so well with

782
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the you know, the generation before me, because,

783
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: like I'd like to think, I'm one of the last

784
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: real ones that makes sense. You know, I can sit

785
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: there and talk, you know, with somebody that's been around,

786
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: and I always say that. You know, I can hang

787
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: out with Ultimate Draggon and he's going to tell me,

788
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, holy cowt Samon Donna's is, you know, one

789
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: of the best young kids in the business. And then

790
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: I can go to an independent show, you know, with

791
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: local indy guys, and they're going to say, what the

792
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: hell is the big deal about Sam Donna's He doesn't

793
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: do a Canadian destroyer, you know, so crazy, it's so crazy.

794
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: Where are you now? Who are you working for Tonight?

795
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: I'm in Texas with Pala Pro Tonight I'm off, which

796
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: is also cool. I never have tell room. We have

797
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: another show tomorrow night, and I'm with your friend MK

798
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: Bandit Matthew. Yes, we're are in a hotel room. He's

799
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: at the gym right now. I'm doing a little bit later.

800
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, we actually hooked up at Tommy Dreamer show

801
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: at the House of Hardcore and he's been like one

802
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: of my best buddies ever since. Hey. Yeah, he almost

803
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: is like a shoe agent, which is awesome because in

804
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: the United States it has one of us. But he's

805
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: such a you know, he's so tied into the West

806
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: Coast scene and I'm Pittsburgh in the Northeast and I have,

807
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, the connections I've made, and he'll literally say, okay, hey,

808
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: March nineteenth, you good for Dallas, Texas? Yeah? Good? And

809
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: he gets my fight, my hotel paid for everything, gets

810
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: it all, take care. I never touch a dollar bill,

811
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: and it's it's absolutely phenomenal. Solast night, he knocked the

812
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: hell out of me. I got. I don't know if

813
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: you can see the big Yeah. Yeah, he hit me

814
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: with a he's an ass was I will for sure fine. Well,

815
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Dreamer put us together just because I guess he was

816
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: doing the director of something competition for House of Hardcore

817
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: and I was in the middle of, uh the Donald

818
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: Trump run in Mexico. So I actually had a show.

819
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: I was in Pittsburgh for my family, but my flight

820
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: got canceled because of a snowstorm, and I was like, well,

821
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: if I stay four days and I'll text stream Er

822
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: see if I can get on. So I got to

823
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: the two House Hardcourse shows, my first time working at

824
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: the Arena, which was just surreal. I was gonna say,

825
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: how did you like get there? They've changed it a

826
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: lot though. Yeah, well I was there back when it

827
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, three p W. I know the difference

828
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: of the change. I just never got to work there

829
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: back when it was you know, the original arena it was.

830
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it's something so exciting, you know.

831
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: I think literally I've been lucky. The only real major

832
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: arena left is the Garden for me, because I did

833
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: Arena Mexico, I've done Cork and Hall, I've done the

834
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: ECW Arena, you know, and that's and I did also

835
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: in England there's one called Croydon Fairfield Halls and Croydon

836
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: in London, which is like the historic British venue. So

837
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: I've been lucky to see it all and do it all.

838
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Garden's the last one left. Yeah, and

839
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: I was at the Garden and I prefer the arena whatever,

840
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: crazy reason. The thing is, the overall energy is different

841
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: now and rest Yes, you know again, I know a

842
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: lot of people hate Jim Cornett and the way he preaches,

843
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: but you know he's got a very a lot of

844
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: violot points about. You know, there's a difference between an

845
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: emotional investment and a physical and visual investment. I say

846
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: it's the difference. Let's say you know that the home

847
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: run derby versus Game seven of the World Series. You know,

848
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: if you see home runs, you're gonna get excited. But

849
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: what do you want? You just want another home run.

850
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: But when it's the bottom of the seventh, you know,

851
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: and you're down by two in Game seven, you're you know,

852
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: everything's on the line. So your heart, your brain, in

853
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: your eyes are invested in this emotion. You know, wrestling's

854
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: not like that right now. People are doing so much,

855
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, exciting cool things for that instant gratification on

856
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: Twitter or whatnot. And now that's why the fans almost

857
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: they're more, their attention spans shorter. They don't have that

858
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: genuine emotion. Watch a match for me now, I always

859
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: talking about November November ninety seven, Bam Bam and Sean Shane.

860
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: When Shane wins, every fist in the building is raised

861
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: in the air. I vividly remember the only time I

862
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: ever know my mom mark out was jumps up in

863
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: the air. You don't get that investment anymore, you know,

864
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: you get a this is awesome chance and you get

865
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: maybe you know, a standing ovation because of oh hey,

866
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: that was a really good match. It's just different, you know,

867
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: and I luckily try to keep you know, try to

868
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: get a few elements of that back the best I can.

869
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: But I think that being said, that's all part of me,

870
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: you know, kind of being a slow burn. People kind

871
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: of appreciate it, but it takes a little longer, so

872
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: that I probably also goes back to why I not

873
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: signed anywhere right now? Yeah, well, you're doing wonderful. Maybe

874
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: I just suck. It could be that. Fuck I feel yes, now,

875
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: you don't suck promoters. Let Sam do his thing, yes,

876
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: and let the world see how talented he is. How

877
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: about that. I appreciate that. I just yeah, to take

878
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: your thumb off him and let him work. That's it.

879
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: That's what we did last night. There was a guy

880
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: down here that Nobe Bryant was his name. He actually

881
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: he was working for All Japan at the same time

882
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 1: I was, but we were never on the same tour,

883
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: so I never met him. And last night, I mean,

884
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying wrestling a lot right now because I haven't

885
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: had too much of it, But that was one of

886
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: my favorite matches I ever had because we're both in

887
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: the same weight length. You know, we were both just clicking.

888
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: We went about twenty five minutes and people were just

889
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: into it. So we had so much fun. I don't know,

890
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm excited for another match tomorrow night, and I'm just

891
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: happy to pick things back up a little bit. And

892
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: that's the key word. You're having fun and you're enjoying

893
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: what you're doing. So where can the people find you?

894
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: On social media? I'm on Instagram and Twitter at real Samas.

895
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: My Instagram is basically just wonderful pictures of me and

896
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I'll I'll get my girlfriend the other. The Twitter is

897
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: mostly I just always like kind of share old wrestling

898
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: videos and matches and stuff because I'm still sick with it.

899
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it. I just I mean, it's everything

900
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: I've ever loved. So I find the most obscure match

901
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy and if it's I always share what

902
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: I'm watching with Twitter. So a lot of people now

903
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: are getting to see something they wouldn't see anywhere else,

904
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,839
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Speaker 1: the Eyes up Here family. I love it, and keep

937
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: putting yourself over, because if you don't put yourself over,

938
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: no one else will. I always help you. That follow

939
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: it up, there's a very important man in the restling

940
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 1: business that was actually mad at me because I put

941
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: myself over on Twitter, and I'm like, what the hell

942
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: you're doing me a job? I'm I'm an independent. If

943
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't tell people how good I am, They're not

944
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna think I'm good. I'm not gonna get booked. So

945
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: how can I put myself over too much of I'm good?

946
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: I just I just give up. You know, I just

947
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: kind of go with the flow now and have fun

948
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: and smile. You have to promote your brand. You need

949
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: to believe in yourself because if you don't, nobody else

950
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: will believe in you. So you keep doing what you're doing.

951
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: I think you're doing an excellent job of promoting yourself

952
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: and just screw the haters. Just do you, kid, and

953
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: you'll go very far in this business. That means a

954
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: lot coming from one of my childhood crushes. So thank you, well,

955
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: thank you. My heart is full. I appreciate this interview

956
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: was very insightful by the way I enjoyed it. I

957
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: think I come off as grumpy Stemes and I'm not. No, no, no,

958
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: you were very pleasant. Because I'm in the room, I

959
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I like to give I like to put

960
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: myself over sometimes, so maybe it was because of me.

961
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: It's not because of chat, that's for sure. Everybody's counting

962
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: me out of this. I mean, I'm a huge part

963
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: of it. I didn't let you guys get enough in.

964
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, no, you were very insightful. Well, we'll

965
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: have you back on in the future, but good luck

966
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: with your tour for the next couple of days and

967
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: come on. Oh I know we love Yes, I'm not

968
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: saying I love it. I'm shy now now that I'm

969
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: a camera. I can't sing Abba for the masses. I

970
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: sing all the time. People's ears bleep. I can't sing,

971
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: but I sing. I don't care. And we'll do some

972
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: some songs together. How about finished the lyric. You can

973
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: do Patreon extras with me one day. I'll study up

974
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: on my lyrics and then we'll play a game with it. Yes,

975
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: all right, write that down, Chad. We'll have him back

976
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: and we'll do some market You're delightful, Sam, Thank you

977
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: for coming on. And I'm sure we'll keep in touch

978
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: on the on the Twitter. As the kids say, and

979
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: don't get hurt. I'm sure. Yeah. Maybe i'll see you

980
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: somewhere soon. I don't know. Did he leave? Is he gone?

981
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: He's there, he's there there, all right, now say goodbye

982
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: because we're losing. He for on a show sometime this year.

983
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: We'll see all right now, I'm kicking him out see it.

984
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know what's going on there. Yeah,

985
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: that's great. I'll tell you something. And here's why. I mean,

986
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: I want to say it, but here's why he's not

987
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: going to get booked a lot because he's six foot

988
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: four and everybody else is like five foot four, so

989
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a taller than everybody. I didn't know

990
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: he was that tall. Yeah, he's a big six four

991
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: two fifty Wow. Yeah, see, I like I said, I

992
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: he was telling me that we met but at an

993
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: autograph signing and he was like eleven and I was like, oh, sorry,

994
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember. So he's like probably like five a

995
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, one eighty. Oh okay, I was still taller

996
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: than made at that point, unless then I would tell her.

997
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: But he's a he's a nice guy, very very smart

998
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: for the business. Vers Yeah, a couple of great points

999
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: to follow up on it. And I talked about this

1000
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: with Shane the other day. I don't know if you

1001
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: saw the story about hul Hogan last week when he

1002
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: was at the Monday Night Raw taping. There was a

1003
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: he did an interview to promote it where he talked

1004
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: about how and this is dialent back to what you said.

1005
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: He doesn't get a response from the kids when he

1006
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: goes backstage. Everybody's kind of cold to him. And I'm like,

1007
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I've been backstage where Shane comes

1008
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: in and the guys shake his hand whatever. But this

1009
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: is Hulk Hogan in the WWE. Do you think it's

1010
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: because of the racial stuff. I think that's a part

1011
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: of it. But he says he gets the vibe that

1012
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: people feel like he's coming to steal the main event,

1013
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: and he said those days are well behind me, folks,

1014
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about that. And this whole

1015
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: discussion came out all over you know, Twitter and Instagram

1016
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: and Facebook and everything about how the veterans of your era,

1017
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: the Hogan era and before are perceived. Now it's this

1018
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: cold shoulder because everybody is like either intimidated a that

1019
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: you guys were such big stars, or by they don't

1020
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: know who you are and they don't know how to

1021
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: react to you and to me, both of those should

1022
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: be completely put to decide, because you're coming in and

1023
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: you should be greeted. I feel this way. Well, first

1024
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: of all, with the whole Corona thing, I don't want

1025
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: to shake hands. Yeah, no way for me. It's fine.

1026
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't care. But seriously, I feel like even if

1027
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: you don't know know who we are right and we're

1028
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: coming in, you could still shake somebody's hand and introduce

1029
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: yourself right like you know. I'm not expecting people to

1030
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: look at the card and say, oh, I have to

1031
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: study matches because you know Shannon Francine. No, I don't

1032
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: care if they don't know who I am. I don't

1033
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: care if they didn't watch ECW. But a nice hello

1034
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: would be welcoming. You know, when I go into these

1035
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: locker rooms and I see these kids, I always walk

1036
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: up to them and I always say Hi, I'm Francy,

1037
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. And I get two responses. I

1038
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: either get the limp handshake and they're looking in the

1039
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: sky and they don't care, or I get I know

1040
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: exactly who you are, either one or the other. You know,

1041
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: and even if you don't give a shit who I am,

1042
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: act like you do. You're a worker. You can put

1043
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: it on for five seconds and just be like, hey,

1044
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: how's it going. People are ignorant. Yeah, it's just you know,

1045
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: I know we were raised in this business differently, and

1046
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: I know it's a different time and we have to

1047
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: adapt to the times. And it takes five seconds to

1048
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: smile at someone or say hello. It's not a big deal.

1049
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you to put me over and say

1050
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: how great I am. I'm just hello, how are you?

1051
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: That's it. Don't get it. I don't get I just

1052
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: watched this documentary from nineteen eighty five from Salt Lake City, Utah,

1053
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: about you know, pro wrestling. The guy was actually he

1054
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: kept calling it wrestling. He would say rassele, rassele, wrassele,

1055
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: And he was at an Awa event and he was

1056
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: getting interviews from like Kurt Henny, and Kurd Henny was

1057
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: like twenty five years old. This great, great documentary. But

1058
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: the respect that this guy had for the business and

1059
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 1: how everybody protected it, I think if it went back

1060
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: to that, you would see a completely different generation coming

1061
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: into the business. And I think what Sam said, kids

1062
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: who are basically training now started watching in the mid

1063
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: two thousands, where okay fabe really was on its way out.

1064
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: We started seeing more and more about the you know,

1065
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: the back end stuff, shoot, interviews, interviews, YadA YadA, YadA U.

1066
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: And I think that the uh not a lore like

1067
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: the I don't know, like the the curtains. Well, yeah,

1068
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: like the curtain was pulled back enough where people don't

1069
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: give a shit anymore and they could kind of beat

1070
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: to their own drum. Sam had an advantage. You know,

1071
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: Sam's dad, right, so he was taught. I hate to

1072
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: say the right way, but the old school way is

1073
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: what I will refer to. It's a different era, I

1074
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: get it, you know, and people do different things, and

1075
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: I just feel a common courtesy just be nice. You know,

1076
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: they were not asking you to bow at our feet.

1077
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: It's just if you look up and say hello. Now,

1078
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: people are tying their boots, you know, they're hunched over

1079
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: in their chair, they're going over their match, and you don't.

1080
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: You don't get two words set to you. So we

1081
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: just go sometimes and we just sit in our own

1082
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: corner and people are really nice. But some people just

1083
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: don't care. And I guess that's indie wrestling today. And hey,

1084
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: if it works for you, by all means, yeah, it's

1085
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: it's just it's an ever evolving business. I guess that's

1086
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: the way you could say. It's ever evolving, you know,

1087
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: for the better. Possibly, you know, it's it's very it's

1088
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: a it's an odd thing to kind of quantify because

1089
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: ratings are down, right, but guys are making money. Who

1090
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: are you know, signing contracts and are employed and having

1091
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: to work a lighter schedule and it's it's just it's

1092
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: a weird time. Merchandise is at an all time high.

1093
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: It's just it's a very weird, weird time to be

1094
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: in wrestling. I feel like the hustle isn't as h

1095
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's not there as much as

1096
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: when we were on the road. Yeah, I feel like

1097
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: we had to hustle a lot more. I feel like

1098
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: these days, and and social media is a big part

1099
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: of it too, things are easier, I think for guys

1100
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: and girls that are in the business today because, like

1101
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: Sam was saying, he's on Twitter promoting himself and getting

1102
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: himself over, and we didn't have these features, you know

1103
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: what I mean. And we all we relied on was

1104
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: our entring work. Uh. You had to be there to

1105
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: see us and our television and that's that's all we had.

1106
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: But there's so many different things today that these guys

1107
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: and girls have, you know, uh, the opportunity to use

1108
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: and tools, and I just feel like it's a lot

1109
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: easier to get out there and promote yourself than it

1110
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: was when I was in the business because I had

1111
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: to rely on others to help me. We don't even't

1112
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 1: have media and stuff like that. It was TV. Yeah,

1113
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: he u's your television slot. Yeah, that was it. So

1114
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: and like we've talked about the random news story that

1115
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: was done, you know, where you got spread out a

1116
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: little bit more to a while, that's it. Or a newspaper.

1117
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: You guys are going to Asbury Park and now you're

1118
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: in the Asbury Park Press for Friday before the show.

1119
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: We had the magazines because the magazines were hot back then,

1120
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: not so much today. But if you didn't buy the magazine,

1121
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: you didn't, you know. And then ninety percent of the

1122
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,479
Speaker 1: articles were fake in the right exactly, So it wasn't

1123
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: like the truth was out there. But I just feel

1124
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: like I'm not saying they're not working as hard, because

1125
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: they certainly are. But all I'm saying is they have

1126
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: more opportunities to get themselves out there and promote their

1127
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: brand than we did, you know. And and brand wasn't

1128
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: a word in the nineties. We didn't have brands. It

1129
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, I'm a wrestler, Hey I work

1130
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: for this company. That was it, you know. So there's

1131
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: there's plenty of opportunity out there, and it's great. I'm

1132
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: happy for everyone, but it's it's a different time. It's

1133
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: completely different. If he was good at selling T shirts. Yeah,

1134
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, And like he said, how FCW was was

1135
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: built in a complete different model. Why didn't somebody from

1136
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: FCW go to the office and say, look, this guy's

1137
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: great in the ring, but he's got a sales knack

1138
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: to him. What can you guys do with the guy

1139
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: who can sell stuff like that? That's what I don't

1140
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: get about how certain things work out. If he had

1141
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: a neck for being able to sell merchandise, why wouldn't

1142
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: you accentuate that. I have an angle Right now, he's

1143
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: the merch guy. He's selling T shirts. You put him

1144
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: in the ring and you make him toss T shirts out,

1145
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: somebody comes out, says something negative to him, and he

1146
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: does a great move, and then people can see that

1147
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: he's a worker, right exactly. Why not do something like that?

1148
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: What did you used to do? Used to be ring crew?

1149
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: The ring crew guys would get beat up and then

1150
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they fight back and never something

1151
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: to show people. Yeah, I am a worker. I can work. No,

1152
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: I like thatll T shirts. I mean, I'm not a booker,

1153
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: and I can come up with these all day. Yeah,

1154
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: very easy. Yeah, it's not rocks. But that's why I

1155
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: wanted to get into your business from back then and

1156
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: not what was ultimately today's wrestling business. I wanted to

1157
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: get into the old school. And when I showed up

1158
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: for my first day working in the WWTV studio and

1159
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: I had to wear a suit, does the worst day

1160
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: of my life? Okay? Because I'm like Renegades wrestling T shirts,

1161
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: Zubez snake skin boots and I'm working in a TV

1162
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: studio in a suit. So I was like, this is

1163
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: already off on the wrong foot. Your suit was my bikini.

1164
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: There you go? They see? Is something about it? Two

1165
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: different ends of the spectrum, right, absolutely? Yeah, Well he

1166
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: seems like a great guy, so happy we had him on. Absolutely.

1167
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: I can't get over how good you sound on this microphone.

1168
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: I swear you sound fantastic. Thank you very much, amore.

1169
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna be great on the games that we play

1170
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: on Patreon where you can lean in and answer. Yeah.

1171
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for making noises? Now that's the noise? Was that

1172
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: the noise of a bird tapping on a window? Should

1173
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: I whisper? Can you hear me? Yes? Very clearly, very true? Okay,

1174
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: all right, so yeah, all the best to Sam and

1175
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: we will go into Patreon links will do our plugs

1176
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: at the end again like we did last time. You

1177
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: and I will splice him in as much easier on

1178
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: the old chadstar there but on Patreon. This week, we're

1179
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna play something that Francine has brought to the table.

1180
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,479
Speaker 1: I supposed to do this last week, but Chadster jumped

1181
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: the gun. We are going to play a game called

1182
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: Dead or Alive. Wan it. So what's the purpose of

1183
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: dead or Alive? What's the purpose? Like, will give me

1184
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: the objective of the game. See if I know if

1185
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: they're living or deceased. Okay, well there you go, so dead.

1186
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: I believe it was our Patreon member Pat that suggested that,

1187
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: And if I'm wrong, I'll correct myself. But I think

1188
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: it was Pat who said, oh, Dead or Alive would

1189
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: be a fun game. Yes, yeah, so we'll see so

1190
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: Dead or Alive. We were also speaking of Patrick. He

1191
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,479
Speaker 1: will be this week Patreon member spotlight where we're gonna

1192
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: get get to meet him. And this is one of

1193
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: the perks of Patreon. Now for the new year, if

1194
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: you join, we're going to schedule you to come on,

1195
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: introduce yourself, talk to us, tell us what you're looking for,

1196
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: tell us what you like, and you get to chit

1197
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: chat and shoot the breeze and you get to talk

1198
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: to the Queen of Extreme. That's a win win in

1199
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: my book. I feel like I'm on that tier every

1200
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: week I get to chitchat with the Queen of Extreme.

1201
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: And then see, I was going back and forth on

1202
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do for the watch along, and

1203
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: I actually I thought I had found another match with

1204
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: Jazz and Steve Carino. Again, it was mislabeled and it

1205
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: was exactly the same match that you guys did on

1206
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: TV on a house show identical. So I was like,

1207
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: all right, I can't do that one back to back.

1208
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll revisit it in another time. But this one's interesting.

1209
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: This is a little longer, but we're going to talk

1210
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: during it about one participant of it. But it's also

1211
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: a pretty big match Tommy Dreamer versus Just Incredible from

1212
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: heat Wave two thousand. I have zero recollection of Gorgeous

1213
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: George c W zero zero, but I watched a few

1214
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: minutes and I saw you take her fricking head off

1215
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: with a kendostick, And we're going to talk about that

1216
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: during the match, so but that wasn't during this match.

1217
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: I know, I saw that and it led me to

1218
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: get to this and this match is longer, so we

1219
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: can talk about it because it wasn't a long stretch

1220
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: of time. But I have zero recollection of this and

1221
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: I love George so much, so that was hard for

1222
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: me to do. I smacked the living shit out of her.

1223
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: But yes, we'll talk about it later. Yes, So that's

1224
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do on on Patreon this coming week.

1225
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: If you want to follow me, it's at Chad E

1226
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: and B on Instagram and Twitter and head over to

1227
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: my website Ibexclusives dot com. We got a lot of

1228
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: autograph signings in the pipeline, have things coming up, and

1229
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: again I'll just tease this again. I have something like

1230
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: this coming in the future. Okay, we'll talk about that

1231
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: at a later date. We'll do those later on. We're

1232
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: gonna do that at the end again. Okay. So that's

1233
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: all I got. That's all you got. When when are

1234
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: Diamond Conversations coming back? Possibly at the beginning of the season,

1235
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: moving moving it to the Creative Control Network because they

1236
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: need sports content. But I think it works best in

1237
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: season rather than during the off season, which you would

1238
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: think it might be the opposite, but it's I don't know,

1239
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: it kind of fits better when it's going on, when

1240
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: the season's happening. So we'll be back probably around spring

1241
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: training in you know March. Ish awesome. Okay, Well, for

1242
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: me across the board, it is at ECW, DVA Francine, Twitter, Instagram,

1243
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: I think my fan Facebook page, I don't know. Cameos

1244
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: are a hot, hot commodity. You want a cameo, you

1245
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: have to go to my Twitter to book because if

1246
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: you don't, they take fifty five percent, those bastards. So

1247
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: come on ever to Twitter and book book a cameo

1248
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: for yourself or for a friend. And my Twitch is

1249
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: my new amazing baby and I am loving it and

1250
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm going so far three days a week. So if

1251
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: you want to check me out, I would love for

1252
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: you to give me a follow on twitch. It is

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Speaker 1: Awesome and uh yeah, another another fun one in the book.

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Speaker 1: So we can we can say goodbye for this week. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well that's a wrap. Then