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Speaker 1: And welcome to Tuesday's EDITIONNA Big Lu Kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. He's Paul Tino. I'm Lance Metal.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one nine nine four or five one three.

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Speaker 1: That is the telephone number. You could also chime in

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Speaker 1: on the conversation via Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. Today is

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Speaker 1: the beginning of tag season, as I like to call it,

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Speaker 1: So Paul and I will get into the nuts and

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Speaker 1: bolts taggy day as I like, indeed, franchise, tag, transition, tag,

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Speaker 1: all of that good stuff. Teams have until March five

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Speaker 1: to assign any of those tags if they would like,

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Speaker 1: to any respective player on their rosters. So we'll get

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Speaker 1: into that how that may impact the Giants, how that

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Speaker 1: may impact the market. But we're gonna start with some

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Speaker 1: Giants related news, and the Giants have officially resigned tight

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Speaker 1: end Scott Simonson. Last year was his first year with

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Speaker 1: the team. He had ties to Dave Gettleman because he

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Speaker 1: had previously played for the Carolina Panthers, and Simonson did

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Speaker 1: have a career year because he saw much more playing

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Speaker 1: time and he also was a valuable blocker as they

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Speaker 1: all sixteen games, had nine receptions on fourteen targets eighties

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Speaker 1: six yards, did catch his first career touchdown as an

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Speaker 1: NFL player because he hadn't caught one as a Carolina

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Speaker 1: Panther or Oakland Raider. And you know, right now, we

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Speaker 1: don't know what the fifty three man roster Paul is

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Speaker 1: gonna look like, but there's no reason why you can't

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Speaker 1: retain a player like this to gain more competition at

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Speaker 1: the tight end position, which was an area where they

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Speaker 1: had to go deep into the roster. Given the fact

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Speaker 1: that Evan England got a little bit banked up this

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Speaker 1: past season, Well, there's no question that when you look

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Speaker 1: at Simonson's body of work with the Giants last year,

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Speaker 1: he seemed to come on at the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: In the final month or so when Ingram was healthy,

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Speaker 1: Not only did Ingram, but Ellison and Simonson I thought

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Speaker 1: really started to play well there at the end. But

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Speaker 1: then again, so did the entire Giants offense, which over

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Speaker 1: the last two months of the regular season averaged over

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Speaker 1: twenty seven points a game. Everybody was cooking, And it

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Speaker 1: seems to me that if you're the Giants and you

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Speaker 1: the past. Well, guess what that means a lot more

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Speaker 1: double tight end sets, which means you have to go

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Speaker 1: into the season with a minimum of three tight ends.

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Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe it turns out that the fourth

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Speaker 1: tight end in training camp deserves a spot on the

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Speaker 1: fifty three as well. I can't predict that right now,

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Speaker 1: but you're don well better go in with at least

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Speaker 1: it also depends on how they continue to evolve from

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Speaker 1: an offensive standpoint, I think to your point, Poll, you're right,

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Speaker 1: the tight ends were much more involved, it seemed, in

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Speaker 1: what transpired in the first half. So that's why you

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Speaker 1: that's even more of a reason why you want additional

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Speaker 1: the tight end position and everybody focuses on, Well, they

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Speaker 1: I think Simonson really answered that call. What jumps out

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Speaker 1: an NFL standpoint. As I mentioned, today is the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the tag period, Taggy Day, as Paul likes to

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Speaker 1: until March five to assign the tag. Now, from the

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Speaker 1: Giant's perspective, let's start there, Paul. Then we can expand,

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Speaker 1: Clearly one of the premier safety is on this team.

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Speaker 1: And if you get into the finances of things, According

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Speaker 1: ten million. Now, let's specify the differences here. There's the

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Speaker 1: The differences between both of those is, you give a

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Speaker 1: There's now immediacy with respect to the transition tag is

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Speaker 1: because if you give the exclusive or non exclusive franchise

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Speaker 1: any other team may be like. The big black hole

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Speaker 1: we have no idea what his medical is. And because

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Speaker 1: what kind of risk is this player going to pose

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Speaker 1: given the fact that, as you mentioned, each of the

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Speaker 1: I like the idea of the tag, Paul. I like

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Speaker 1: the idea of, Hey, you have the security of bringing

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Speaker 1: you weigh all those factors, I don't see how there's

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Speaker 1: a negative connotation with the tech And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that Landon Collins would view it as a negative. I

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Speaker 1: Now sacks is not necessarily the only indicator. You know,

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Speaker 1: quarterback hits and they were low across the board in

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Speaker 1: all those departments. They need somebody, assuming Olivia Vernon is

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Speaker 1: still with the team, they need another compliment, Dan Paul,

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Speaker 1: and you like the progress out of guys like Lorenz

433
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Speaker 1: O'Connor and some of these young players. B J. Hill

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Speaker 1: is not necessarily a pass rusher, but did show that

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Speaker 1: he has the potential to get after the quarterback had

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Speaker 1: over five sacks, which is promising. But you want to

437
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Speaker 1: continue to add to this youth movement so that James

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Speaker 1: Betcher can rotate personnel similar to what he did in Arizona. Yeah. See,

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Speaker 1: let me clarify something that I said with Fiageles last

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Speaker 1: week on the show. We were talking about the free

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Speaker 1: agency needs and the draft needs, and the Giants need

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Speaker 1: an impact guy, someone who's gonna play significant snaps and

443
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: have a major role in their defense up front, in

444
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Speaker 1: the linebacking corps, and in the secondary. All three levels

445
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: of the defense need a strong infusion of a guy

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00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: who's going to be a significant player on defense. That's

447
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Speaker 1: the only way they're gonna get this d good enough

448
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Speaker 1: to match with the offense. Show during the second half

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Speaker 1: of last season. Now it is my feeling because of

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Speaker 1: the front seven guys who are available and some of

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Speaker 1: the corners who are available. Of course, Sam Bille is

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Speaker 1: coming in. We keep forgetting about him, but he's a

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Speaker 1: supplemental third round pick from last season. It seems to

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Speaker 1: me that the Giants should probably go free agency with

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Speaker 1: the safety because that's the least expensive of the things

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Speaker 1: that you've got to get. It's gonna cost you a

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Speaker 1: lot more to get a cover corner in terms of

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Speaker 1: cash than it will a safety. It's also gonna cost

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Speaker 1: you a lot more in terms of cash for a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher. So when I set the Feagles, you know

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Speaker 1: what would you The question was, I guess, what are

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Speaker 1: you looking for in free agency? Well, that's a different

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Speaker 1: question than what are you looking for By the time

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Speaker 1: you get the training camp. The Giants need those three

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Speaker 1: spots filled. I think what you do economically is you

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Speaker 1: spend the money on the veteran safety, and you draft

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Speaker 1: the pass rusher, You draft the corner, well you know

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Speaker 1: the supplemental depth at defense, you draft the white tackle.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's how I would do it. If if

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Speaker 1: you want to spend money on one somewhat high priced

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Speaker 1: free agent. I think I would spend it on the

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Speaker 1: safety and try to draft the other spots well. And

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Speaker 1: that relates to the fact that there's depth at edge

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Speaker 1: rusher and on the defensive line. So this year it

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Speaker 1: makes sense if you said, hey, maybe we don't need

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Speaker 1: to spend a lot of money on the free agent

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Speaker 1: market because we could get some substance in the draft.

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Speaker 1: I like your thinking, but I also don't think that

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Speaker 1: just because safeties are perhaps inexpensive than other positions, that

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Speaker 1: you should say what we should force ourselves on a

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Speaker 1: veteran You gotta be once again, never force that that

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Speaker 1: individual is a good fit for your scheme. And you says,

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Speaker 1: no question. To force anything is foolish. That's why the

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Speaker 1: word foolish and force both begin with a letter F.

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Speaker 1: Look at you giving us a v capulary lesson and

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Speaker 1: a worthless, multifaceted, multi talented What what what else you got

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Speaker 1: for us, Mike um. The other side of the two

488
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Speaker 1: is the again like list year when everybody was harping

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Speaker 1: on the Giants had to sign a quarterback and this

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Speaker 1: stuff and that stuff or draft a quarterback, and they

491
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Speaker 1: went with the you know what, our start running back,

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Speaker 1: which has worked out. Okay, Now the other side of

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Speaker 1: the two is I mean again, if the Giants aren't

494
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Speaker 1: in love, what do you do the guy from Ohio

495
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Speaker 1: state when a guy from Oklahoma or whatever? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I hate to look at the I look

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Speaker 1: at Quentin Nelson from last year and what he meant

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Speaker 1: an occult. I don't have a problem with drafting. Uh

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody alignment at that sixth spot. I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't allow you feel about that. Well, Michael, we'll

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Speaker 1: let you go on that note. I'm with you. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody should force the issue. Just like I

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Speaker 1: said with the safety position, you should en forced into

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Speaker 1: free agency, the same thing should be held true for

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. If there's conviction in the room and they're

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Speaker 1: high on a quarterback, and they think that player has

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Speaker 1: the potential to be a franchise guy, then it makes

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Speaker 1: sense to take him. If everybody across the room has

509
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Speaker 1: a different feel for very his quarterbacks, then it's probably

510
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Speaker 1: not the right decision. You could argue that there's probably

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Speaker 1: gonna be a defensive lineman and edge rusher. I think

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Speaker 1: when the Giants pick six that could be worthy of

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Speaker 1: that selection, and it's possible, if they really like an

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman, that there could be somebody they're worthy of

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Speaker 1: taking with the sixth overall pick. I'm completely in disagreement

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Speaker 1: with the philosophy, Paul, and we weigh this topic all

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Speaker 1: the time. Well, if you have offensive lineman and you

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Speaker 1: don't project that it's gonna be a left tackle year one,

519
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Speaker 1: that there's no point of taking him with the sixth

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Speaker 1: overall pick. I mean Quentin Nelson, who the last caller

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Speaker 1: brought up it's not a left tackle and had a

522
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Speaker 1: tremendous impact. I would agree with the Indianapolis Colts, so

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Speaker 1: did Braided Smith. By the way, who was their high

524
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Speaker 1: second up pick. Let's not dismiss him from the conversation.

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Speaker 1: They addressed two needs with two offensive lineman Branded Sheriff

526
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Speaker 1: for the Washington Redskins. He's been banged up with injury

527
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Speaker 1: all the offensive I wanted to take in the last

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Speaker 1: and you're not doing it to you at it, well,

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Speaker 1: Jack Conklin is certainly a solid guy. But to me,

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Speaker 1: I think Sheriff and Zack Martin. You want to him

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Speaker 1: up to back Martin and Martin went a little bit

532
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Speaker 1: lower Martin was more in the teens, but Sheriff just

533
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Speaker 1: stab me more in the rings. I have no problem

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Speaker 1: doing that. It's an activities, so I will not shy

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Speaker 1: away from that. No, But the reason why I'm bringing

536
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: up those two in all seriousness is to show players

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Speaker 1: that went high in the same range of where the

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00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: Giants are projected to have their first round pick, and

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00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: players that came in and made immediate impacts with their team.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear, oh, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: if the guy doesn't play left tackle, there's no point

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Speaker 1: of taking him. Look, here's the point. Okay, when Dave

543
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: Gettleman said last year, the guy better be fitted for

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Speaker 1: a gold jacket when you're picking it number two. Well,

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Speaker 1: when you're picking it number six, it's not that far

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00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: away the guy you take it number six, you better

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00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: be dawned sure and have conviction that he's gonna be

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00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: worth a second contract and that he's gonna start for

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Speaker 1: your team for probably six or seven years, if not

550
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Speaker 1: maybe even a Pro Bowl player. Okay, that's what you're

551
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: talking about when you pick at number six. So your

552
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: conviction better be very strong no matter who it is. Okay,

553
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: you don't just take a guy to fit a position. Okay,

554
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: that's not what you're doing there at number six. You're

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Speaker 1: taking a guy who you are darn well sure he

556
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be a dynamite player at whatever position he

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00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: plays well. And that relates specifically. I know you said

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Speaker 1: regardless of position. I agree with you there, specifically the

559
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Speaker 1: quarterback position. It's extremely important to utilize the criteria you

560
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Speaker 1: just laid out, because Paul, you can't look at it

561
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Speaker 1: if you're the Giants. Okay, Eli Manning is getting at

562
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: the tal end of his career. The necessity to develop

563
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: or find his successor is important. I wouldn't disagree with

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00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: anybody from that standpoint. But if you do not envision

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Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks in this year's class as a

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Speaker 1: guy that can get past this second contract, the Giants

567
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: can't look at it. Is they want a guy who

568
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: can buy three years. Paul, you take a quarterback with

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Speaker 1: the sixth overall pick, You've got to sell me on

570
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: the fact that you envisioned that as being a franchise quarterback,

571
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: somebody that could hold that position for multiple contracts, for

572
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: ideally a decade or so. You don't just say, well,

573
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 1: Eli has only got one or two years left. We

574
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: need somebody that could build the bridge. You don't waste

575
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Speaker 1: the sixth round pick, sixth overall pick on somebody that

576
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: can build the bridge. Just don't do that. That's what Earni.

577
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: Of course he felt about Eli Manning. When he does

578
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: why they made the move after he made the move

579
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Speaker 1: to trade for Manning because it was his opinion and

580
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: his strong conviction that Eli Manning is the kind of

581
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: guy who's going to be a franchise player who will

582
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: win at least one, if not multiple championships. Turns out early,

583
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: of course he was right, And that's why you can't

584
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: allow the draft to be dictated by need alone or

585
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: folks outside the building. Yeah, it's got to be dictated

586
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: by what's the potential of this player from a long

587
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: term perspective. The one thing that I get irritated over

588
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: is sometimes people just look at a roster for two

589
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen needs. When you have the sixth overall pick,

590
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: you don't draft a guy based on two thousand nineteen needs.

591
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: You draft get based on what he's gonna give you

592
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen and beyond. And that's why they thought

593
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: Barkley was great value at number two, because they don't

594
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: look at Barkley as a player that's just gonna come

595
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen and flash. They believe he's gonna

596
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: be a player that can contribute to this franchise for

597
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: multiple contracts. And you've got to look at the sixth

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00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: overall pick Paul the same way you look as the

599
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: number two overall pick. Just because there's a four pick

600
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: difference doesn't mean that there's a huge disparity in terms

601
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: of the philosophy. And just remember one thing, Lance, The

602
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: quarterback is so dependent upon the stuff that's around him,

603
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Speaker 1: specifically the offensive line. If you draft the next quarterback,

604
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: so to speak, but then you don't have the appropriate

605
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: fortifications of the offensive line in front of him, you

606
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: wind up with David Carr all over again. What happened

607
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: to David Carr, number one pick, who was shell shocked

608
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: for seventy plus sacks an NFL record with the Houston

609
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: Texans And admitted to me many times over as I've

610
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: gotten to know him over the years, he knew he

611
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: was never the same guy. He was never going to

612
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: come close to reaching his potential because he was ruined

613
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: by a lackluster offensive line. So quite frankly, the logic says,

614
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: make sure you've got the components around him, make sure

615
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: you've got the running game, and make sure you've got

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00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: the offensive line squared away, because otherwise you're drafting a

617
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: young quarterback and putting him in danger. You're putting extra

618
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: risk on him in terms of him maybe not being

619
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: given the things that he needs to give him the

620
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: best chance to succeed. The only thing I will add

621
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Speaker 1: to that is if you're planning on putting the quarterback

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00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: under center immediately, that would be a concern for me, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're the Giants, let's say, let's go

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00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: with the hypothetical Eli is your staughter, then I don't

625
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: think there's should be an overwhelming concern even if are

626
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: not content with the offensive line, that if you bring

627
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: in a rookie who's gonna learn and sit behind the line, Manning,

628
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't let the state of my offensive line shine

629
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: me away from picking a quarterback under those circumstances, because

630
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: you're not, in that circumstance going to put the rookie

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00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: in immediately, so you have time to continue to work

632
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: out some issues with your offensive line. That would be

633
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: true you do. You do have a little bit of time.

634
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: You can be a tad patient. As the Giant showed,

635
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: the fourth edition of their old line last year was

636
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: the best one yet. But again, we don't know what

637
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: that offensive line is gonna look like in September. Is

638
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Jamon Brown coming back? I certainly hope so. Are they

639
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: going to fortify and enhance the right tackle spot? I

640
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: hope so. Is Halla po Or or Spencer Pulley coming back?

641
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: I certainly hope so, especially pully Um. But the truth

642
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: is we're going off the assumption that the Giants offensive

643
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: line is going to be the one that played the

644
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Speaker 1: last two months of last season and may be better.

645
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Speaker 1: But we don't even know that for sure. No, there's

646
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: still Look I know this, if I'm Dave Gentleman, I

647
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: don't want that old line to take a step backwards.

648
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: I certainly know that I I saw what I liked

649
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: or liked what I saw is what I should say

650
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: in the final two months of last season. But dawn

651
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: it to me, that's only a starting point. That line

652
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: has got to get better. We want to remind you

653
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Line presented by Corps Light. Download the

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655
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656
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Speaker 1: five one three. Considering we are talking about free agency,

657
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: a quick side note here related to the world of sports.

658
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: The San Diego Padres have just agreed to a deal

659
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: with infielder Manny Machado Paul ten years, three hundred million dollars.

660
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: It's the biggest free agent contract in the history of

661
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: American sports. I think you could get a free agent

662
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: safety for a tad less than that on the open

663
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: market this offseason. And by the way, all of you

664
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: Yankees fans out there, of which I am one, thank

665
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: you Manny for going somewhere else. Have a nice day.

666
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: That is a lot of paper. And the Padres remember

667
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: an organization. You know, they certainly want a star because

668
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: it has not been easy for them. But boy, is

669
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: Manny Machado going to make that much of a difference

670
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: for that franchise. That's gonna be interesting to watch. I mean,

671
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: Bryce Harper, I think I'd be willing to go there,

672
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: not necessarily sure, if I'd be willing to go there

673
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: for many Machado. Obviously, there's a football show. If you

674
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: do want to weigh on baseball contracts. More than happy

675
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: to feel your phone calls as well. Charlie is in Portland,

676
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: Maine as we move along here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

677
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: What's happening to Charlie? Hey, guys doing today? Hey? I

678
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: mean we this this is the the enigma of the

679
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: New York Giants. We've had so many guys who didn't

680
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: deserve a second contract, like Eric Flowers. I can name

681
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: a hundred of them that didn't deserve one, and they

682
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: didn't get it. And here's a guy who is a

683
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: second round pick, a pro bowler who deserves a second contract.

684
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't not. I mean we did it

685
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: for O'Dell. And the other guy on the defense that

686
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: deserves to have a second contract is Collins. Unless his

687
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: shoulder is held together by paper clips, then you know

688
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: if this is a no brainer. And and I know

689
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: that Johnets always wait to the last minute. They won't

690
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: franchise him until March five, and then they'll try to

691
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: negotiate something. And then when when the negotiations what is

692
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: it the first six weeks in the season, or if

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00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: they can keep negotiating for a contract, will kind of

694
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: wait until the season starts and we'll probably hopefully get

695
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: something done, but you've got to keep a guy like him.

696
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 1: And besides that, we're just going to create another big

697
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: hole in our secondary, which we don't need because we

698
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: don't have a free safety as it is. Well. But

699
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: if there's concerns about his health, Charlie, then I don't

700
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: think it makes sense to rush a contract. And by

701
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: the way, if they give Landon Collins the franchise tag,

702
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: they've got until July fifteen to work out a long

703
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: term deal. After that it's over. You don't then have

704
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: six weeks into the season. It's done. Once July fifteen passes,

705
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to plan to the franchise. You can

706
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: no longer negotiate a new deal, so they will wait.

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00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: That's what we'll find out, Charlie. Look again, I hate

708
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: to repeat this, but maybe you didn't understand the first time.

709
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: We don't know what the medical file on him is.

710
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: Right now. He's undergoing rehab for that labor surgery, but

711
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: we don't have any details on it. And let's just

712
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: say that the medical isn't quite sure yet. Maybe the

713
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: medical folks are saying, well, you know what, we could

714
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: another couple of months to rehab before we feel confident

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00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: in what he's going to be. I mean, the the

716
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: tag gives you time to let that heel, to allow

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00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: the rehab to continue, and maybe to give everybody a

718
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: more clear picture that it's not necessarily a negative. Charlie, Yeah, no, no,

719
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: I you know I understand that. And you know that's

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00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: what they did with O'Dell's They waited and waited just

721
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: to see if his ankle was fine, and then they

722
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: signed him. So I mean, that's the same thing. I mean.

723
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Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to say is we we picked

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00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: so many players that don't even deserve a second contract,

725
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: and we have, you know, and made so many mistakes,

726
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: and then when we actually hit on somebody, I just

727
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: don't see how the Giants could even think of not

728
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: keeping this guy and signing him, unless you know, his

729
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: medical is so bad that he's limping around and he

730
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: can't play any well. But Charlie, keep in mind to

731
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: your point, Dave Gettleman wasn't around for a lot of

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00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: those players that you just listed, so his mindset can't

733
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: be well. Jerry re selected certain players that didn't pan out,

734
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: so now there's urgency to keep the one guy who

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00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: we think has potential. I don't think that's a part

736
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: of team Gettleman's m Oh, he's looking at it is.

737
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: He's a new general manager for this team. He's evaluating

738
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: the roster he sees fit. I don't think he's really

739
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: looking at the history, the recent or long term of

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00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: the franchise. Charlie, I would ask you one question before

741
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 1: we let you go. Is there anybody amongst the free

742
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: agent safeties who are expected to be out on the

743
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: street that you would even consider having if Landing Collins

744
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: were not to be here? Oh boy, now we're asking

745
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: Charlie answer. Don't this is a wild I mean, there

746
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: isn't any you'd have to bring in somebody better, So

747
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: it'd have to be Earl Thomas. And that's another medical issue,

748
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: So I mean, he would be better than Landing Collins

749
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: are just as good. If you're going to get rid

750
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: of somebody, you've got to bring in somebody who's better

751
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: or just as good. And he's the only guy out

752
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: there that I see that would be better if his

753
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: medicals are fine. I just want to say one other

754
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: thing about the right tackle. We have to get a veteran,

755
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: not a rookie. I don't want to see a rookie

756
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: on the right side making all kinds of mistakes for

757
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: the first aid games. We need a veteran right tackle

758
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: and that's a number one priority in free agency to me, I, Charlie,

759
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: appreciate you got You can't grow up every rookie together.

760
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: There are some rookies who could come in and play

761
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: right time. Here here's the bigger problem, and we let

762
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: him go without asking him the golden question. Well, you

763
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: asked enough questions for trying one show. Well here's the problem.

764
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: If I asked him, he'd probably answer will be to

765
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: you again. Well, that's more of a reason why I

766
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: didn't follow up with the free agent right tackles available

767
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: in the marketplace, at least from the current names out

768
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: there right now, not very attractive, in fact, quite frankly,

769
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: I mean, the best guy now that Bobby Massey's going

770
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: back to the Bears, the best guy out there maybe

771
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: and injured Darryl Williams from the Panthers who was coming

772
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: off a significant knee injury. That's how thin it is.

773
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: So I hate to disagree with you, Charlie, but to

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00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: sign a veteran right tackle just because you think he

775
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. That doesn't make sense because his

776
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: physical body isn't capable of doing it is that he

777
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: needs to do. And trust me, the right tackles on

778
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: on the list are not very good well, and that

779
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: really shouldn't surprise anybody, because in the National Football League,

780
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,959
Speaker 1: the top tier players rarely hit the free agent market, Paul.

781
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: They're either given extensions or the tags because teams value

782
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: them and they don't want to lose them. So I

783
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: mean when you settle, when you settle, you're asking for trouble.

784
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: A few years ago, and I don't want to say

785
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: this to Besmirche the guy, he gave the Giants everything

786
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: he had, but they signed Marshall Newhouse as a backup.

787
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: He wound up being the starting right tackle for a

788
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: season and everybody complained about it. And it wasn't his fault.

789
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: He was being asked to do much more at the

790
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: time than what they wanted him to do. But that's

791
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: what happens when you settle. You know you don't want

792
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: to do that. Well, Listen, you need depth on the

793
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: offensive line regardless, Paul, because you can't go into a

794
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: season expecting everybody to start sixteen games. New House had

795
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: starting experience with the Green Bay Packers. He was with

796
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: the Bank Goals and he was thrown into a situation

797
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: because of injuries. So that's going to happen. It's just

798
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: I guess you don't want to be put in a

799
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: position where your depth automatically becomes the main starter for

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00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: sixteen games. It's hard to predict those scenarios and just

801
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: don't know. You don't want to sign a veteran free

802
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: agent right tackle for quote starters money when at best

803
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: he's probably only deserving to be a backup. I mean,

804
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: then you're over paying out of necessity, out of desperation, Charlie,

805
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: that's the last thing you want to do. Trust me.

806
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: If they did exactly what you said and forced the

807
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: veteran right tackle off of the free agent market into

808
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: that slot, trust me, it would take you probably a

809
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: quarter and a half to rent and rave and throw

810
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: a couple of the lobsters against the wall. You would

811
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: not be very given any ideas. Please, he's got enough

812
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: that's brainstorming in his mind. In terms of the process.

813
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: Let's involve Twitter here, tag giants chat if you want

814
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: to weigh in two zero one four or five one

815
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. Will continue to feel your

816
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: calls till the top of the hour. This question comes

817
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: in from at Chip underscore him in your opinions in

818
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: respect to offseason moves in salary cap is Rhett Ellison

819
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: a possible player to be traded or released? And we

820
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: had talked about the tight ends in case you're just

821
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: joining us right off the top of the show. Because

822
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: the Giants have resigned Scott Simonson, so Simonson, Ellison and

823
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram are the main tight ends right now on

824
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: the roster. Find it very hard to believe that there's

825
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: a huge trade market, Paul, first of all, for Rhet Ellison,

826
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: and I think he has values still with the Giants

827
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: because of the ability to play as a blocker as

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00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: well as a receiving threat, which he proved again this

829
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: season when Ingram is time. And I also think that

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00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Pat Shermoer has been very complimentary of him, a guy

831
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: who he was with in Minnesota before he got to

832
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: the Giants, before both of them got to the Giants actually,

833
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: so I would find it hard to believe that won't

834
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: be here now with respect to also the tight ends,

835
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: and I'm going based on what Pat Shermer told us

836
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: multiple times through multiple conversations, I think paul His interpretation

837
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: at the tight end is very similar to how he

838
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: interprets the fullback. If there's gonna be a fullback or

839
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: a tight end on this roster, yes, blocking his priority

840
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: number one, But if they cannot prove to be a

841
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: reliable option as a receiver, he does not see value

842
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: in that player. So the reason why I throw red

843
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: Ellison into that categories. First of all, red Ellison has

844
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: played fullback, so he is that fullback slash tight end.

845
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: But the reason why red Ellison also is complimented often

846
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: by Sherman and has value. They're fine running routes for

847
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: d Ellison Paul as we saw, and they could throw

848
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: over the middle and he could catch it again into

849
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: the end zone. There's no hesitation in that department. They're

850
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: not going to keep a tight end on this roster

851
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: if their only faith in him is that he could

852
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: just block her there. They want to know we could

853
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: put you in and the defense has to account for

854
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: the fact that you can run a route and you

855
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: can catch the ball. And Red Ellison, as well as

856
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: Scott Simons, it proved that they have that facet within

857
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: their game. I don't think there's any question about that.

858
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: And you know, the thing about the the tight end

859
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: position is that, you know, we had talked about Ellison

860
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: being a hybrid where you could also play some fullback. Well,

861
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: I think we've seen they really don't want him to

862
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: do that. They want him to be a blocking tight

863
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: end and occasional receiving tight end, but it doesn't look

864
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: like they want him playing much fullback. He didn't do

865
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: that this past year. They brought in Elijah Penny Parenty

866
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: to do that. Uh this past season exclusive rights free agent,

867
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: by the way, right, So, so I don't think that

868
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: we're ever going to count Ellison as a fullback or

869
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: a pseudo fullback anymore. I think those plans which we

870
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 1: thought may have been in play when they first got

871
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: him are out the door. I think we are considering

872
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: him only a tight end these days, which to me

873
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: makes sense given the fact that he's been productive in

874
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: that position. Could they experiment a little in the office,

875
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: is it? It It depends? I think a lot depends on

876
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: whether or not they decided to carry a fullback, they

877
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: bring back Elijah Penny or so forth. But I think

878
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: that's a valid question. But to get back to Chip's question,

879
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't see him being a candidate to be released

880
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: or traded because I think the Giants do value his services.

881
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 1: Another question on Twitter. This comes from Dylan at Dilly

882
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: Willie fifteen. I was just wondering when our last Pro

883
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: Bowl offensive lineman was been in arguments with some fans

884
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: about the old line and Eli Manning. Well, let's this. This

885
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: This is what nineteen Now, this is two thousand last

886
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: time I checked in two thousand twelve. I am going

887
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: to look up this list that I have here with

888
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: all the Pro Bowl Giants offensive lineman. Actually, this is

889
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: the entire list of giants period who have been to

890
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. So let's see if we could find

891
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: it's going to be the the O'Hara deal, Sneak combination,

892
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: and Snee was the last one of those three to

893
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: make the Pro Bowl. So I'm very confident the answer

894
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: is Chris Snake. I'm looking up. No, I think that

895
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: sounds about right. I'm just looking through this list of

896
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: the last time. O'Hara was two thousand ten. That was

897
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: his Pro Bowl appearance. Most recently Snee two thousand twelve,

898
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: so he Beats O'Hara. Is there anybody else you want

899
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: to throw in or deal in the Pro Bowl too?

900
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: He was in one. Alright, let's that was before well

901
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: before the two twelve season. Yeah, I'm just looking at

902
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: Like I said, this has the list of every single

903
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Giants Pro bowler in franchise history, So I'm just trying

904
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: to navigate. Deal was two thousand nine, So Snee is

905
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: the answer. Chris Snee is the last Giants Pro Bowl

906
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and that was two thousand twelve. In terms

907
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: of providing some perspective, but once again, look at New

908
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: England this past season. Now, I'm not trying to make

909
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: excuses here, but I think it's fair to say that

910
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: just because you haven't had a Pro bowler doesn't mean

911
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: you can't have a productive offensive line. Okay, let's not

912
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: mix those things up. New England just want a Super Bowl.

913
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: And the reason why the Patriots offensive line has been

914
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: commended is the fact that they did a really good

915
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: job developing guys, taking chances on them, and coaching them up,

916
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: which is the most important aspect. Trent Brown, for example,

917
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: who they acquired from the Niners, was a seventh round

918
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: pick in two thousand fifteen and was the replacement for

919
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: Nate Soldier and David Andrews, an undrafted free agent at

920
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: the center position. So now that's not to say that

921
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: that's the norm, Paul. That's not why I'm bringing up

922
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: that every team could just take a bunch of undrafted

923
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: guys and seventh round picks and go on and win

924
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. No, that's not the norm. That's the exception.

925
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: But I just don't want to have the mindset that

926
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: if you don't have a Pro bowler on your offensive line, Paul,

927
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: that there's no way that you can be productive. That

928
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: would be misleading. If you look at Super Bowl victors

929
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: agree just on the productive offensive lines. But that's at

930
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: least the most recent Pro Bowl offensive lineman. If you

931
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: want to go back to Giants history, Christening, I got

932
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 1: a tweet here land nyg Men six story one before

933
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: we get back to the phones. He says, as long

934
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: as the Giants are not getting a QB in the

935
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: top ten, he's fine with getting a new quarterback. And

936
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, again, I mean I don't know that for me,

937
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: top ten is the restricted area. I think it's probably

938
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: longer than that. But yeah, let me make something clear

939
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: again for the billionth time. For those people who will

940
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: constantly set fires to my Twitter page all the time

941
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: about not getting a quarterback. I would not take one

942
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: in the first round. Okay, I would not unless Dave

943
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: Gentleman was so competent and so sure that that guy

944
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: was the next franchise guy. But I would really doubt

945
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen at number six if he took one

946
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: in rounds two or three. If they get a third

947
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: round pick, which I think they will, I would not

948
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: be surprised by that, and and and I would not

949
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: be dead set against it either. You know, at some

950
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: point they do need to get somebody else in here

951
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: who they think can be groomed into that spot. I'm

952
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: just not of the opinion that it should be a

953
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: were six. Well, let me paint this scenario. What if

954
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: the Giants said to themselves at number six, somebody really

955
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: wants to move up, somebody is in love with it,

956
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: doesn't DESI to be a quarterback. Somebody is still on

957
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: the board at six. The Giants sticked torn between a

958
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: few guys. Maybe they don't necessarily well, they want to

959
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: move down. What do you do? Well, they moved down,

960
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's ten. Maybe it's twelve, it's thirteen, fifteen,

961
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: within the teens. Could they then say to themselves that

962
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: they think that's good value to team Look a quarterback.

963
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm going back to my original statement of Dave Gettleman

964
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: is totally convinced and is assertive in this is the

965
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: guy he better take the guy, whoever it is, I

966
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: may not agree with. I would want to be honest

967
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: with you. I don't think I could be assertive about

968
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: any of these quarterbacks in the first round. That's me,

969
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: So I would not take him a QB in the

970
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: first round. However, if Dave gett and feels that way,

971
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: he's got to do it, he's obligated to do it.

972
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: And that's the key. That's what I always said. They

973
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: get on what doesn't have to make me happy. He's

974
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: got to make the marriage and the tissues happy. I

975
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: don't know if they'll ever make you happy anyway, So

976
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: that may be a tall order, but yes, that's why

977
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: I go back to it. We'll get back to the phones.

978
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: But just to piggyback off of your statement, one percent,

979
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: if there's conviction with one individual, that's all for a reason.

980
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: Huge reason why you should then take a quarterback's job

981
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: to research these guys and pick the best guy available.

982
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: That's his job. Now. I like some of them, I

983
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: don't love them as much as two thousand eighteen. Once again,

984
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: I've said this multiple times. I find it hard to

985
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: believe that the Giants would take Kyler Murray just because

986
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he fits in line with the quarterbacks

987
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: that the Giants have built their franchises around. So that's

988
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: why I think that's an extremely long shot that would

989
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: shock me. Yes, Haskins is more in line with from

990
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: a physique standpoint the type of quarterback that the Giants

991
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: have built around, and he, to me, would be the

992
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: most likeliest and they if they went with a quarterback

993
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: at six, and then as far as the Locks and

994
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: the Joneses of the world, it would be a tough

995
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: sell personally for me to take them with the sixth

996
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: overall pick based on what I've seen in college. Let's

997
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines. Emilio is in Staten Island.

998
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: What's happening? What do you got first? High? We get

999
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: a chance to get through here? Great? Um, I think

1000
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: the best thing and I p that I've I've let

1001
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: okay Is strayed back, trade back at six, played back

1002
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: early in the second round, accumulate more picks at third

1003
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: lock pick that we don't have this year, and some

1004
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: drest capital for next year, because we can all agree

1005
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: at the v quests much better next year. And then

1006
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: with all these extra picks, you can still in all

1007
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: the spots we need this year and have some world

1008
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: capital for next year. Well again, I certainly think that

1009
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: that's going to be part of their strategy. I'm I'm

1010
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: still love the opinion to try to get something in

1011
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: in that in that third round. I think that they

1012
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: and it's quite possible if they get the compensatories, which

1013
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: by the way, are not out yet, if they get

1014
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: the fourth and the fifth round, or they're expected to

1015
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: get and have eleven picks in this year's draft, you

1016
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: could probably bet the mortgage on your house they will

1017
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: not pick eleven players this spring. I think that's pretty

1018
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: much for sure. They could use some of those later

1019
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: picks along with the picks they acquired from moving back

1020
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: to spot, and that's why they now you have some

1021
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: series on linking. No question, we got we got the

1022
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: weapons on this team that if we could Creeten out

1023
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: some spots meeting the hot Molley. I'd be likes to

1024
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: say the defensive line and the offensive line. You could

1025
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: surprise the NFL in a big way next year. Well,

1026
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: they they certainly will be mobile in the draft, and

1027
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: whether or not they're they're adding in the top three

1028
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: rounds or necessarily adding into the two thousand twenty basket,

1029
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: if you will, maybe they could even do a little

1030
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: of both. That's not out of the question either. You're

1031
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: talking about possibly an eleven pick haul in April. They

1032
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: might be able to do both. Get get something and

1033
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: one thing. I really I haven't been able to call

1034
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: you guys because I work, But I tell you, guys,

1035
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: start they can call it. I'm already Bob, I can

1036
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: never call. But if Eli Manning talk is a yoke.

1037
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: If you protect this guy, he could still call up

1038
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: any defense in the NFL period. So these people that

1039
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: don't have eyes in their head and don't know what

1040
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: the hell they're looking at need to wake up. Amelio.

1041
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: You know what's funny. You know what's funny. So many

1042
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: people say, well, what's the bottom line? You know, bottom

1043
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: lines is one loss record, No, No, the quarterback his

1044
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: bottom line is offensive production. And the Giants led the

1045
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: NFC in points scored this season. All Right, that in itself,

1046
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: in a very shallow way, tells you that Eli Manning

1047
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: is not the problem. It's not. And the guy game West,

1048
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: sure he does protective Damn guy. We had a GM

1049
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: that's just abandoned the offensive line for so many years

1050
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: and let this poor guy's career just a lot away. Well,

1051
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: and I agree with that. I mean, I don't think

1052
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong, Amelio, with allowing Eli Manning to continue

1053
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: to run the offense. I do understand, though, the other

1054
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: school of thought that it should still also be a

1055
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: priority to start grooming a young quarterback. And that's why

1056
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: if they feel as good value it set well, I

1057
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think it's a matter of rushing it. Well.

1058
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you could argue when the Packers had Bread Farve,

1059
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't think Green Bay was rushing picking Aaron Rodgers.

1060
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: They just felt okay, alright, but that fine, so alright, alright, fine,

1061
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: So then how about when the Chargers had Drew Brees,

1062
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: they still took Philip Rivers they wound up acquiring from

1063
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: the Giants. That's that's apples how how is how is

1064
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: the number six overall picking the number one overall? Pick

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00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: apples to oranges because that year you're talking about had

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00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah, I understand that, Emilio, but we don't

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00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: know how this quarterback class is gonna pan out. That

1068
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: it's the land of the unknown rightning the Drift. And

1069
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: I respect them, and I'm not disagreeing with anybody, but

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00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is we can't just assume that

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00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: nobody in this quarterback class is gonna pan out. That's all.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you don't have shut fire guys

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00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: like we had in the Drift with Eli and Rivers

1074
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: and Rent with of course that group, that group is

1075
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: one of the best in NFL history. That's not point

1076
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: you when nobody's saying anything like that about these guys. Yeah,

1077
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: but in my opinion, when you have holes to feel

1078
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 1: like the Giants, do you have drift capital at six?

1079
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: You've got people that want to come up train bound

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00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: a little bit, hold somebody hostage. Well, unless they love

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00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: a guy when they pick it six. If you love

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00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: a guy, hold the faith in the world in it.

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: If he loves a guy, I love him because look

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00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: what he already did in one year, Amilio, I'm with you. Philosophically,

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00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and I would say this to you. Okay,

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00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: if there was a Ben Roethlisberger, up Eton Manning, uh,

1087
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: somebody of that ilk was right, we wouldn't because then

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00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: it would be like, Okay, the guy's pretty much a

1089
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: short thing, go ahead and take him right. Well, that's

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00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: not the case. Dwayne Haskins is so far from a

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00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: sure thing. It's not even funny. I read some good

1092
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: things about the kid, but you don't want I mean,

1093
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: the guy touch times, and he's got good size, he's

1094
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: got a good arm, and really, you know, not much

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00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: being said about the kid one one season. It's a

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00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: small sample save that Kyler Murray has only been a

1097
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: starter for one season. Two. It is not a lot

1098
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: of familia. All you need to know. All you need

1099
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: to know is that when when you talk to the

1100
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: respected people who do prospect scouting for a living and

1101
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: you get such a cross section of folks who say,

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00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: you know what, he should be a mid second round value,

1103
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: when do you want me to pick him at sick

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00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: That's my point. You can't another question if Kyler Murray

1105
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: six ft three. What kind of discussion we have in now,

1106
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: It certainly changes, that changes everything. Yeah, but but he

1107
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: for all we know, Kyler Murray could go number one overall.

1108
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: Now it's very possible Mury does go number one over again, Elio,

1109
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: If Dave Gentleman believes that he's the guy, what that

1110
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: Haskins is the guy, he's paid to make that decision,

1111
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: and if he picks him, more power to him. But

1112
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: logic dictates, based on the evidence in front of us

1113
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: right now, that either one of those guys would be

1114
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: a mega risk number six and not a very smart choice.

1115
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: We need we need offensive line and pass rushes first

1116
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: and foremost, because if you could run the ball and

1117
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: keep it away from the other offense and have guys

1118
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: that could rush the panther and stop the other offense,

1119
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: that's what wins in this league. Well, we saw that

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Speaker 1: with the New England Patriots, saw that with the Rams.

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00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. I appreciate the phone call.

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: And another example, by the way, that would bring up

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00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: Kansas City in two thousand seventeen, and that quarterback class

1124
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: was not two thousand eighteen, and that quarterback class wasn't

1125
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: two thousand four, they had Alex Smith and they decided

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: to move up and they grebb Patrick Mahomes with the

1127
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: tent overall pick. So there's an example of a team

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00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: that you could say they didn't necessarily have a immediate

1129
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: void at quarterback, but they felt, hey, Mahomes is a

1130
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: guy that we could build around moving forward, and they

1131
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: made their move. So I mean, that's the next guy.

1132
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: And that's my point. And as a GM you're obligated

1133
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: to do that well. And that's my point to counter

1134
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: what the last caller was bringing up. If they love

1135
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: a guy at six, you know, to say that there's

1136
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: no urgency, you're not once again drafting for two thousand

1137
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: nineteen alone. So you know you want to tell me

1138
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: the Giants need help in the trenches. I agree. But

1139
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: if you don't think an offensive lineman or a defensive

1140
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: lineman is a guy that's gonna help your franchise for

1141
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: the next seven to eight years, meaning earns a second contract,

1142
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,959
Speaker 1: what's the point of drafting that guy. Or you draft

1143
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback that you've it is going to be a

1144
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: franchise guy, makes a lot more sense taking the guy

1145
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: that you think is going to have a long sustainable

1146
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: career with the Giants than just toy with you for

1147
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: two to three years. No. I mean, that's just common sense,

1148
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: regardless of need. So you know, that's how I think

1149
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: every GM, every front office has to look at it.

1150
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: You want players that warrant a second contract. If they're

1151
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: here for the duration of the four years and then

1152
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: you don't even pick up their fifth year team option,

1153
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: which was the case with Eric Flowers, then it doesn't

1154
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: turn out to be great value when it's all said

1155
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: and done. So that's the best way to evaluate a pick.

1156
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't agree with the philosophy that

1157
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: just because it doesn't look like you need a quarterback

1158
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: right now, that you should completely ignore that subject because

1159
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: you never know when you need a future quarterback and

1160
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: there's no time like now to start grooming one. I

1161
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: think every team would love to have the Brett fav

1162
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers arranged, would they not? Having said that the

1163
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: Steelers don't exactly have a ton of talent behind Ben,

1164
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: the charges don't brought up. Both of those teams don't

1165
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: behind Philip Rivers, who are both in Eli's class. Okay,

1166
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: and the Saints went and signed Bridgewater or made the

1167
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: deal to get Bridgewater because they had nobody behind Breeds,

1168
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: and all three of these guys are supposedly senior citizens

1169
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: who are near in the end of their rope. Tom

1170
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: Brady has had two supposed under lanes who are going

1171
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: to be the next guy, and both of them, Mallett

1172
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: and Garoppolo, has since been traded. Jacobe said, three guys

1173
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: who were going to be the next next guy, and

1174
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: all three got traded. Well, here's the counter, because I

1175
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: that very point I put up on social media a

1176
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, because I do think it's valid. I

1177
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: think both of those teams it certainly is not a

1178
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: stretch to say they should start thinking about their future quarterbacks.

1179
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 1: And the counter is, well, you know, they haven't missed

1180
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs as much as the Giants over the lad

1181
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: few years. Yeah, the Steelers have been one of the

1182
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: most consistent franchises. I'll give you that. It doesn't matter.

1183
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: The past does not matter. No, it doesn't. But but

1184
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm just bringing up what people have countered. However,

1185
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: first of all, if people actually do their homework, you

1186
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: know how many times the Chargers have made the playoffs

1187
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: in recent history. Paul if if you've been their their

1188
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: percentage over the last decade is probably worse than the job. Well.

1189
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: But if you talk to just anyone on the surface,

1190
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: they think the Charges are making the playoffs every single years.

1191
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: The Chargers this past year will eliminate this past year.

1192
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: They just made the plays. Prior to that. Between two

1193
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: thousand ten and two thousand seventeen, they made the postseason

1194
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: one time. One time. Okay, So to say that the

1195
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,959
Speaker 1: Chargers have been in a great position with Philip Rivers,

1196
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: and I love Philip Rivers, and I'm not saying that

1197
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is done. That's not my point. But just

1198
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: because you have another team that has a veteran quarterback

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01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: who's playing at a high level, doesn't mean that team

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01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: has had a great deal of success, because it's more

1201
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: than just a quarterback that wins football games, which I

1202
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: think has been well documented over recent history. And by

1203
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: the way, Bannon, the Steelers have made the playoffs frequently

1204
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: during the last decade. Why because they had an offensive line,

1205
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: because they had because they had a running game, okay,

1206
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: and because they had weapons for Ben to throw too.

1207
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: He had the appropriate compliments around him that would allow

1208
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: him to function and succeed as a playoff quarterback. Okay,

1209
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: Rivers didn't have them, Manning didn't have them. That's why

1210
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: those two guys haven't made a lot of playoff appearances.

1211
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: It's that simple, folks. I'm so tired of this stupid

1212
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: senior citizen argument. Too old, he kid do it anymore.

1213
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: That is such hogwash. Anyway, go ahead, No, you're right.

1214
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: The Chargers had offensive line issues during Rigor's tenure. Mega

1215
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: then in recent history, specifically by signing Russell o'coon, who

1216
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: has been a pro bowler each of the the last two years.

1217
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: It helps when you solidify that left tackle spot. We

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