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Speaker 1: Welcome into a Week ten Giants Hangout brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Krestown. Madelenburg hanging out with Russ Salzburg and Matt

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Speaker 1: Sytek this week, and guys, we are in the back

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Speaker 1: nine of the season, the second half of the season. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the first half didn't get off to the start of

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Speaker 1: the Giants wanted a two and seven heading to Germany

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Speaker 1: this week to face the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 2: But first, you know, Russ, one of the things that

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Speaker 2: has really stood out in this first half this season

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Speaker 2: is the struggles that this Giants team has seen on

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Speaker 2: third down situations.

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Speaker 3: Madelin, I really this game frustrated. There's been a lot

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Speaker 3: of frustrating moments for us who cover the Giants, as

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Speaker 3: we know, but this one I kind of just threw

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Speaker 3: my hands up and listen you. Myself and Matt discussed

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Speaker 3: it last week. I mean, the inability on third down

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Speaker 3: to get off the field or not give up the

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Speaker 3: explosive play, and just a sense of Okay, here's a

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Speaker 3: chance for us to do something and unfortunately they don't

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Speaker 3: do it, and I don't know what it is. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's easy to sit back and say this is a

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Speaker 3: problem with that. I don't know if it's a lack

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Speaker 3: of a sense of urgency. We got to get something done. Now,

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Speaker 3: you know third and eighteen. What was it at third

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Speaker 3: and eighteen with twenty seconds to go in a half.

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Speaker 3: It was just an outpass that Daniels was throwing I

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Speaker 3: think was Eckler and it goes for he was just

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Speaker 3: looking to get into field goal position. It goes for

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Speaker 3: twenty four yards. I mean, you can't have that stuff happen.

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Speaker 3: And listen, Daves didn't pull any punches in the postgame.

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Speaker 3: You know, those plays are killers. And then you know

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Speaker 3: late in the game, it's second and nine, you give

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Speaker 3: up a forty two yard play and it's not just

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Speaker 3: a forty two yard play where it was close guys

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Speaker 3: running by himself. I just I was flabbergacid. I just

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Speaker 3: and unfortunate. What's so unfortunate about it? You know, the

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Speaker 3: off events showed us signs. Daniel showed us things. The

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Speaker 3: running game showed us things. But you know, we hear

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Speaker 3: all the time. You talk about it. Matt talks about it,

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Speaker 3: I talk about it, the coaches talk about it, players

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Speaker 3: talk about it. Complementary football, complementary football, And you know

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Speaker 3: what they don't play. They play uncomplimentary football, and that's

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Speaker 3: the problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we spoke last week about how explosive

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Speaker 4: plays were going to play, you know, just a very

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Speaker 4: big part in last Sunday's game, honestly just about every game.

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Speaker 5: And sure enough, that's exactly what happened. I mean, Daniel.

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Speaker 4: Jones, he did complete a pass with twenty or more

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Speaker 4: air yards. That was the touchdown pass the Theo Johnson

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Speaker 4: late in the game. Great throw, great catch, great play.

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Speaker 4: But that was only one of two deep passes that

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones attempted the entire game. Now, he did have

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Speaker 4: some success in the intermediate you know, ten to nineteen

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Speaker 5: For that he was six of eight for ninety one yards.

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Speaker 4: But you know more, you're gonna need more than two

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Speaker 4: deep shots down the field in order to create these

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Speaker 4: explosive plays and to keep the defense honest and like

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Speaker 4: make them have to respect the deep shot, which will

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Speaker 4: open things up in the run game. Like we spoke

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Speaker 4: about last week, you look at the other side, Jayden

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Speaker 4: Daniels and the Commanders.

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Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels attempted three passes twenty or.

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Speaker 4: More yards down the field, completed all three of them

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Speaker 4: for ninety one yards in a touchdown, and in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: that played a big part in determining the outcome of

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Speaker 4: Sunday's game. Now, the Giants did get some big, I

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Speaker 4: would think explosive plays in the run game between Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 4: Tyrone Tracy, Devin Singletary, and Darius Slayton.

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Speaker 5: Four players had a run of ten or more.

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Speaker 4: Yards, which that is great in the run game was

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Speaker 4: great against the Commanders. However, the passing game, there wasn't

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Speaker 4: enough there. And Daniel Jones had a decent game, I

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Speaker 4: mean two passing touchdowns, a rushing touch down, no interceptions.

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Speaker 4: You finished with a strong passer rating, But going up

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Speaker 4: against that high powered Commander's offense, we just we needed

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Speaker 4: to see a little bit more from the passing game

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned that he did have a strong game,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of it was because they established the

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Speaker 2: run early. I mean, those first couple of drives were

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Speaker 2: almost exclusively run plays, and the Giants had one hundred

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Speaker 2: that was something that you know was working for them,

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Speaker 2: getting the ball down the field.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what I'm glad you brought up the

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Speaker 3: what was it a nine minute and forty three second

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Speaker 3: drive with it was like seventeen plays. I think sixteen

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Speaker 3: after the game, well did you not have confidence in

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Speaker 3: the passing? And Days brought it out. I'm averaging seven

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Speaker 3: yards to carry, you know, it's all working. What drove

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Speaker 3: me crazy on that? So here you had a nine

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Speaker 3: drive they tied the game up. So now you know

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Speaker 3: your defense, your own defense was on the sideline for

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Speaker 3: a long time, getting a nice rest sense of urgency.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Okay, our guys just pulled us. Even what happens

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Speaker 3: they answer back right away, Washington does and it's fourteen seven,

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Speaker 3: just like in a fingersnap.

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Speaker 5: Well, and then the.

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Speaker 2: Kind of bit of the narrative that we've seen, you know,

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Speaker 2: from previous games. Usually we're talking about, oh, the defense

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Speaker 2: did enough for this team to get a win, but

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Speaker 2: the offense, you know, fell short. This week we saw

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Speaker 2: the offense clicking. The Giants put up points you know,

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Speaker 2: they had three touchdowns, two passing and a rushing from

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones at MetLife Stadium and Dexter Lawrence after the

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Speaker 2: game said, the offense did enough to win this game

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Speaker 2: and the defense didn't. So, you know, it seems like

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Speaker 2: that at some point we want to see these two

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Speaker 4: And we did kind of start to see that in

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Speaker 4: the second half of this game against the Commanders. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the Giants had three drives in the second half, they

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Speaker 5: They had a field goal and then the two touchdown drives.

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Speaker 4: And on the other side of the ball, you know,

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Speaker 4: the Commanders in the first half, anytime they got into

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Speaker 4: In the second half, though, the Giants held them the

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Speaker 4: got deep into the red zone. Now, unfortunately, when the Giants,

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Speaker 4: That is when you know they kind of were unable

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Speaker 4: just kneeled it out. But for the most of the

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Speaker 4: second half we did start to see this complimentary football

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Speaker 4: that we've been talking about. It's just going into halftime

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Speaker 4: down twenty one to seven, it didn't really matter how

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Speaker 5: They dug themselves into too far of a hole.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and as you said, yeah, we saw some of

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Speaker 3: that complementary football in the second half, but not enough

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Speaker 3: of it. And you know, quite frankly, you can't win

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Speaker 3: if you see that complimentary football sporadically. It's got to

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Speaker 3: be on a consistent basis. To me, it is a

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Speaker 3: real head scratcher. I don't understand why I'm saying to myself,

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Speaker 3: because we're in the locker room. We see these guys

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Speaker 3: they care, they do pay attention to detail, but when

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Speaker 3: it's crunch time, it seems that it lacks on the

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Speaker 3: attention to detail. There's one thing about getting beat on

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Speaker 3: a bomb on a great play. There's another thing seeing

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Speaker 3: somebody running wide open, like by himself, like he's running

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Speaker 3: through a pass just someplace you know that has to change.

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Speaker 3: That has to change, and I'm sure the coaches are

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Speaker 3: going to hammer it into them before they get on

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Speaker 3: a plane going to Munich.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And you mentioned it's a short week, not in

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Speaker 2: terms of game to game, but in terms of practice

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Speaker 2: because the Giants usually travel on a Saturday to get

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Speaker 2: leaving Thursday night to Munich. They'll fly overnight land Friday morning,

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Speaker 2: get right to practice Friday to try to acclimate to

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Speaker 2: local time, and then of course playing the Carolina Panthers Sunday,

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Speaker 2: nine thirty am is the Eastern local time that that

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Speaker 2: will be kicked off. And this is a game. You know,

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Speaker 2: the Panthers coming off a win, Bryce Young back under

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Speaker 2: over the Saints in Week nine, and you know, Bryce

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Speaker 2: Young's looking to put together back to back wins for

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Speaker 2: the first time in his career. Panthers defense is the

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Speaker 2: last rink defense in the league. This is a game

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Speaker 2: in which you look at and you've got to two

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Speaker 2: weight class. Can the Giants get this win and kind

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Speaker 2: of develop some momentum heading into the bye week?

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Speaker 5: Matt, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, on paper, this is just about as

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Speaker 4: good of a matchup as you could ask for for a.

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Speaker 5: Giants team that is in need of a win.

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Speaker 4: I mean the Panthers defense, as you mentioned, they rank

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Speaker 4: dead last in both points and yards allowed. They're passing defense,

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Speaker 4: you know, ranks twenty fifth. They've given up the fourth

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Speaker 4: most passing touchdowns. The run game ranks dead last. They've

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Speaker 4: Now a big part of that is because they've been

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Speaker 4: down just about every single week, and then the opponent's

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Speaker 4: sort of abandoned the passing game and just run out

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Speaker 4: the clock. But nonetheless, this is just a fantastic matchup

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Speaker 4: on paper for the Giants. And the area that I

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Speaker 4: can take advantage of is the turnovers. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: Carolina Panthers offense turns the ball over a lot. They

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Speaker 4: have fifteen turnovers on offense. And I will say as

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Speaker 4: great as the Giants defense has been playing. The one

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Speaker 4: area that they haven't fully I think reached their potential

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Speaker 4: yet is the turnovers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've had the time week one with Darius Molasso.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the only interception and it came from you know,

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Speaker 4: the rookie sixth round pick linebacker in week one. So

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Speaker 4: especially going up against Bryce Young, who, granted coming off

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Speaker 4: But this is still a quarterback that you know, baby

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Speaker 4: doesn't feel completely comfortable back there and.

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Speaker 5: Is prone to throwing the ball away and creating turnovers.

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Speaker 4: So that will be in an area if the Giants

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Speaker 4: can force multiple takeaways on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 4: then they're going to be set up very well in

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Speaker 3: Matt. All the points that you just brought up, they're

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Speaker 3: all great points. I would just the key thing that

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Speaker 3: you said, on paper, it's a great matchup. You don't

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Speaker 3: We don't win games on paper. You have games on

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Speaker 3: the field, and that that is a problem that they

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Speaker 3: have to deal with. You know, while we're talking about Germany,

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Speaker 3: I wonder and we don't know until they get there.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the expression even playing field quite literally. This

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Speaker 4: But the Giants are three and ohero in their games

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Speaker 2: There you Go, There you Go. This will be the

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Speaker 4: Matt, Yeah, I agree, And honestly, I think that this

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Speaker 5: Know what could happen.

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Speaker 4: You just got to take a one game at a time,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, but while they didn't trade away any players,

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Speaker 3: R Us Yeah, no, that's just what I was going

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Speaker 3: You can tell that they were ticked off, they were angry,

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Speaker 3: But they need to do it this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the boxing analogy, Russ?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great. When we were texting, you know, hit

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Speaker 3: I expect him to be honoree and not just him.

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Speaker 3: I expect the Burns to be the same way. They

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Speaker 3: don't talk about it. Show me what Tom Cofflin used

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And like you mentioned, the team that came

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