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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George

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Speaker 1: Norry with you, Scott Higham with us since Sarai Horwitz

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Speaker 1: the name of their book, American Cartel, Sarah, we were

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Speaker 1: talking about the distributors. How culpable are they in this

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Speaker 1: situation and why hasn't anybody done anything to them? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: They're very culpable. And Joe ran as easy as I

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Speaker 1: was starting to say. He started to go after them

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Speaker 1: because they were breaking the law or skirting the law

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Speaker 1: in some cases. And he started he and his team

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Speaker 1: started shutting down their warehouses. And these are the big

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Speaker 1: three distributors of Marisourcebergen, the Kesson, Cardinal Health. And he

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Speaker 1: started forcing them in his team and the DBA, forcing

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Speaker 1: them to pay millions of dollars in fines for flooding

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Speaker 1: communities all over the country with these dangerous narcotics. And

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Speaker 1: after he did that, the drug industry started to fight back.

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Speaker 1: First they fought the DA in court, and then when

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Speaker 1: they lost there, they turned to Congress and they were

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Speaker 1: armed with high paid lobbyists and lawyers and campaign contributions,

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Speaker 1: and they were able actually to get a law passed

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Speaker 1: that kneecapped the DA, weakened ability of the Drug Enforcement

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Speaker 1: Administration to go after them, And you know, this is

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Speaker 1: really unbelievable, George. Then they go after Joe Renazizi himself,

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Speaker 1: the d E agent who was trying to protect all

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Speaker 1: of us from the dangerous narcotics. The industry goes after him.

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Speaker 1: They basically crushed him and his team, and he was

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Speaker 1: forced out of government by the companies and by officials

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Speaker 1: in his own agency at the behest of the opio

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Speaker 1: did they destroy him like a John Grisham novel. Really,

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Speaker 1: it's except it's all true, and every step of this

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Speaker 1: has just been astonishing for us. And Scott and I

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Speaker 1: have been doing this for a long time and we

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Speaker 1: really couldn't believe the story. And if the opioid epidemic

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Speaker 1: isn't bad enough, now we have to add fentanyl to

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Speaker 1: this equation, which is as deadly as anything can get.

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Speaker 1: How bad is this situation, Well, there are two hundred

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Speaker 1: people approximately dying every day from fentinel overdoses. That's astonishing,

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Speaker 1: you know, Scott and I sort of compare it to

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Speaker 1: if you can imagine a Boeing seven thirty seven jet

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Speaker 1: filled with two hundred people crashing every day in the

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Speaker 1: ninety and killing everybody on board. That's how many people

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Speaker 1: are dying from Sentinel. It's pretty shocking. And Sentinel is

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Speaker 1: a synthetic opioid. It's fifty times more powerful than heroin,

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Speaker 1: one hundred times more powerful than morphine. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the CDC really says that we got to the centinel

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Speaker 1: crisis starting with the prescription pill epidemic because the companies

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Speaker 1: that Scott talked about earlier that basically flooded the country

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Speaker 1: with one hundred billion opilates, got so many people addicted,

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Speaker 1: millions of people addicted that now the Mexican cartels have

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Speaker 1: come in, and Mexican cartels are they're they're bringing Sentinel

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Speaker 1: over the borders. Is just pouring over the border. They're

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Speaker 1: killing their customers though, aren't they. I'm sorry, they're killing

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Speaker 1: their customers. Well, they're killing many of their customers, but

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Speaker 1: some of the customers who are able to, who have

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Speaker 1: taken opioids before and can deal with with something like Sentinel,

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Speaker 1: those customers are still living and they're buying more. I'm

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Speaker 1: told just a grain about the size of a grain

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Speaker 1: of rice, a fentinel can kill you, Is that true?

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely true, Like just a couple of specs of

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Speaker 1: salt that's that kind of that size, that granular size

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Speaker 1: can kill you. And you know, parents really need to

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Speaker 1: warn their kids because going to a party can kill you.

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Speaker 1: This Ventanel is being put into sort of counter counterfeit

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Speaker 1: pills that the cartels are making. And amazingly these pills,

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Speaker 1: some of them that are coming across look like a

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Speaker 1: Malancroft until that Scott was talking about earlier, the Malancroft

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Speaker 1: blue pill with an M on one side and thirty

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Speaker 1: they're actually the Mexican cartels are making pills that look

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Speaker 1: kid at a party thinks they're taking an oxycodone pill

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Speaker 1: or even as zanex, it could have ventanel in it.

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Speaker 1: Instantly unbelievable. And it's manufactured in China primarily. Now the

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Speaker 1: Mexican cartels are the main people manufacturing ventanel and sending

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Speaker 1: it over the border. And how like I said, it's

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Speaker 1: just flooding over the border. Scott can tell you more

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Speaker 1: bags and dogs of of Malancroft pills coming over that

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Speaker 1: cocaine situation, isn't it. It's far worse. You know, cocaine

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Speaker 1: didn't really kill a lot of people. People got addicted

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Speaker 1: kill you. You You just you know, you're you're, you know,

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Speaker 1: epidemic George, could have been completely avoided. There there were

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Speaker 1: those guardrails were basically removed by the drug industry, by

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice UH and the people that they

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Speaker 1: So the guard rails were removed, and you know, to

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Speaker 1: the carnage. And at one point there was a there

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Speaker 1: was a da agent by the name of Ruth Carter

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Speaker 1: sending millions and millions of pills to these pharmacies in

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Speaker 1: And Ruth said, well, why do you do that? And

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Speaker 1: that kind of conduct. It was happening all over the

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Speaker 1: many people getting addicted. Once those companies started getting fined,

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Speaker 1: like Sarry was saying, the same exact pills that were

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Speaker 1: you're not used to it, George absolutely. I mean, you know, fentyl,

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Speaker 1: And that company was so rapacious. They had a guy

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Speaker 1: And he wrote back, just like ETOs um, you know,

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