1
00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,160
Speaker 1: The John Annik and Kenny Florian Podcast, John Annick and

2
00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,160
Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

3
00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,360
Speaker 2: I love him.

4
00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,920
Speaker 3: I can't get enough of him.

5
00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:21,640
Speaker 2: Ixt big job there, cook, do pret fer. I believe

6
00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,000
Speaker 2: there are a couple of absolutely self involveable God, here.

7
00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,040
Speaker 1: Are your hosts, John Anick and Kenny Florian.

8
00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,080
Speaker 4: That's all.

9
00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,600
Speaker 5: Oh, is it great to be with you? Great to

10
00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,680
Speaker 5: be with you as always? Monday September twelfth, twenty twenty two.

11
00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,280
Speaker 5: It is episode three sixty five of the Anak and

12
00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,360
Speaker 5: Chlorian podcast, presented today in Pass by UFC Fight Passy,

13
00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,120
Speaker 5: the best UFC Fight Pass has to offer on the

14
00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,760
Speaker 5: u UFC Fight Pass twenty four seven stream, offering a

15
00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,279
Speaker 5: constant channel of historic fight action all day, all night.

16
00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,320
Speaker 5: Tune and sit back and enjoy a network created by fans.

17
00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,000
Speaker 5: Four fans, step into our world UFC fight Pass dot Com.

18
00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,320
Speaker 5: Kenny Florian. Great to see look at pretty good on

19
00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,040
Speaker 5: a Monday morning? My man, what's good?

20
00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,479
Speaker 6: I got my workout in. I'm feeling a little better,

21
00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,119
Speaker 6: a little less fat, which is nice. Always to get

22
00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,520
Speaker 6: it affinated. I got my coffee with me. That's great.

23
00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, different energy when you get it in, get the

24
00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,800
Speaker 5: endorphins going before the show. What do the workout consists of? Today?

25
00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,880
Speaker 5: Any Brazilian jiu jitsu in your home gym or.

26
00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,720
Speaker 6: No, no, no, probably little later are gonna do a

27
00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,640
Speaker 6: little jiu jitsu with with my daughter? She asked to

28
00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,120
Speaker 6: do jiu jitsu, so when she asks, you know, I

29
00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,840
Speaker 6: got a teacher some jiu jitsu. But I did a

30
00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,000
Speaker 6: little strength conditioning man, trying to keep my back healthy,

31
00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,200
Speaker 6: trying to get a little stronger, get in shape over here.

32
00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:35,920
Speaker 5: So it's really the way to go. I mean, I

33
00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,560
Speaker 5: can run all day, but the strength and conditioning stuff

34
00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,560
Speaker 5: is so much more beneficial for me and so much

35
00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,880
Speaker 5: harder to do. So I got a reality coming up

36
00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,160
Speaker 5: on Wednesday here, but a lot to get to today,

37
00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,920
Speaker 5: Guest Heavy, we will be recapping UFC two seventy nine

38
00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,840
Speaker 5: long ago, coming up in about fifteen minutes. We will

39
00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,680
Speaker 5: also talk to the coach, Dean Thomas, former Ken Flow

40
00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,640
Speaker 5: victim later in the program and TSNMMA reporter. I can't

41
00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,760
Speaker 5: help myself, Kenny, I can't help myself. You know, Joe

42
00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,840
Speaker 5: Loson doesn't listen to this show, has never brought up

43
00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,680
Speaker 5: this podcast with me, nor has Clay Guida. Right, were

44
00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,120
Speaker 5: they too? I'd have to really change things up. We'll

45
00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,760
Speaker 5: have fun with Dean. Thomas will also talk to tsn

46
00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,320
Speaker 5: mm A reporter Aaron Bronstetter. Elias Theodoro has passed away

47
00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,200
Speaker 5: at the age of thirty four. And I know you

48
00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,360
Speaker 5: crossed his wake a few times on social media in

49
00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,680
Speaker 5: your Great Hair Club and everything else. But we're all

50
00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,680
Speaker 5: sort of digesting this news and a lot of us

51
00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,799
Speaker 5: woke up to this news on Monday. Just such a

52
00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,919
Speaker 5: genuine dude, man. I mean, I really truly think if

53
00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,079
Speaker 5: you comb the MMA landscape, you wouldn't be able to

54
00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,400
Speaker 5: find anyone who had a bad word to say about

55
00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,639
Speaker 5: Elias Theodoro. And you know, obviously we had the chance

56
00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,120
Speaker 5: to call some of his fights. I was in the

57
00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,280
Speaker 5: Octahm with him when he won the Ultimate Fighter and man,

58
00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,520
Speaker 5: just stunning stage four liver cancer seemingly kept it to

59
00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,760
Speaker 5: those close to him, and the MMA world is sort

60
00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,799
Speaker 5: of reeling in the wake of his loss.

61
00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,400
Speaker 6: Elias was one of those guys I didn't know so well.

62
00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,840
Speaker 6: I had interacted with him a few times. Always was

63
00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,239
Speaker 6: a gentleman, very classy individual, a guy who truly did

64
00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,120
Speaker 6: things his way, and you know, I thought he always

65
00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,520
Speaker 6: thought he was a very smart fighter, and yeah, it's

66
00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,880
Speaker 6: just it's just really sad, man. You know, sometimes you

67
00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,400
Speaker 6: really don't know what people are dealing with, and something

68
00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,240
Speaker 6: as extreme as liver cats for Pete's sake, you know,

69
00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,000
Speaker 6: my heart goes out to his friends and family. Just

70
00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,000
Speaker 6: an awful situation. You know, anytime you see someone at

71
00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,960
Speaker 6: a young age pass away, it's just it's very tragic.

72
00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,200
Speaker 6: It's very sad and just very surprising.

73
00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,080
Speaker 5: Our hearts go out to Elias Theodora's parents, his brother

74
00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,480
Speaker 5: whom I know he was very close with, and perhaps

75
00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,760
Speaker 5: Aaron Bronsteader later can shed some more light on that.

76
00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,960
Speaker 5: He finishes nineteen ninety three as an m m A

77
00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,400
Speaker 5: pro and off a win I believe over Brian Baker,

78
00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,520
Speaker 5: big loss for the m m A community here on

79
00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,960
Speaker 5: a Monday morning. But let us get into UFC two

80
00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,080
Speaker 5: seventy nine and everything that was this pay per view event.

81
00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,200
Speaker 5: So I'll give a little bit of an insight into

82
00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,760
Speaker 5: what this fight week entailed and what my Friday entailed,

83
00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,240
Speaker 5: because I think some people find that interesting. So I

84
00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,800
Speaker 5: have to acknowledge our editors and our producers on the

85
00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,599
Speaker 5: UFC side, because as exciting as this was, you know,

86
00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,280
Speaker 5: And I got a call from Joe Rogan as I'm

87
00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,680
Speaker 5: m seeing the Morning Way and that this is what

88
00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,560
Speaker 5: they were going to try to do because of the

89
00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,520
Speaker 5: kamzachim My have weight miss and everything else, they were

90
00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,280
Speaker 5: going to try to make these three new fights, and

91
00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,960
Speaker 5: my excitement quickly went to, Oh my gosh, I'm gonna

92
00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000
Speaker 5: have to revoice everything from like the way in introduction

93
00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,039
Speaker 5: that precedes Joe Rogan when he takes the stage too.

94
00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:37,960
Speaker 2: You know.

95
00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,520
Speaker 5: Well, we had the Macy Shaftsana right now, DNA fight

96
00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,680
Speaker 5: had to be completely reworked because it was a catchweight,

97
00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,599
Speaker 5: and then we obviously had to revoice some of these

98
00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,719
Speaker 5: fights and the billboards that you hear, you know, so

99
00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,320
Speaker 5: I immediately went from enthusiasm to like, wow, my Friday

100
00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,000
Speaker 5: just added some hours, but just an insane lead up

101
00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,320
Speaker 5: to a pay per view. We've had a lot of

102
00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,640
Speaker 5: circumstances obviously UFC two HI hundred, when Daniel Cormier ends

103
00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,320
Speaker 5: up fighting Anderson Silva and Amanda Nunez and Misha Tate

104
00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,400
Speaker 5: I believe are elevated into the main event, you know,

105
00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,599
Speaker 5: could be even tony circumstances UFC two O nine, there

106
00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,919
Speaker 5: were a lot of main event circumstances for a stretch

107
00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,039
Speaker 5: there where it got really weird. But Kenny, I don't

108
00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 5: know that you can ever remember anything like we had

109
00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,360
Speaker 5: here leading into UFC two seventy nine.

110
00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,400
Speaker 6: No, not at all. You know, it's funny and I'd

111
00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,800
Speaker 6: like to hear your thoughts on this, right because maybe

112
00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,839
Speaker 6: you could put any of the controversies to bed. But

113
00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,960
Speaker 6: you know, people are saying, hey, well this just seems

114
00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,320
Speaker 6: way too perfect. Was this planned? Was this something that

115
00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,120
Speaker 6: the UFC wanted all along?

116
00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:38,680
Speaker 5: Right?

117
00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,160
Speaker 6: You know, given the Hamson injury potentially and you know

118
00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,719
Speaker 6: the weight miss and all that's what would you what

119
00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,440
Speaker 6: would you say to those Well, that's something I'm getting

120
00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:48,800
Speaker 6: along with.

121
00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,840
Speaker 5: No, and I think it's fair for you to probe

122
00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,239
Speaker 5: me in that way. I think it's almost too perfect

123
00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,839
Speaker 5: to have laid out that way. And I can tell you,

124
00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,240
Speaker 5: you know, our producer Zach Candido conference me in with

125
00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,800
Speaker 5: Hunter Camp, one of our chief executives, on Friday, so

126
00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,560
Speaker 5: he could sort of give me some insight as to

127
00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,719
Speaker 5: what Kamzat Chimay have went through. You know, Kamzat was

128
00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,560
Speaker 5: pissed and devastated when they made him stop cutting. That's

129
00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,120
Speaker 5: what was told to me. But it was a medical decision.

130
00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,800
Speaker 5: So ultimately he was contracted to make one hundred and

131
00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,680
Speaker 5: seventy one pounds. Medically he couldn't finish the weight cut.

132
00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,560
Speaker 5: That is on him. And I didn't hear what Andreas

133
00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,560
Speaker 5: Michael had to say after the facts seemed like maybe

134
00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,520
Speaker 5: he and Mike Dolja got into it. But the Chimaya

135
00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,240
Speaker 5: camp and specifically the fighter are absolutely gonna have to

136
00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,479
Speaker 5: own this. But Chimaya did come in lighter. You know,

137
00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,240
Speaker 5: he is still the hardest worker in the room. You know,

138
00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,680
Speaker 5: discipline doesn't seem to be a problem. Making one hundred

139
00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,599
Speaker 5: and seventy pounds the way he's trying to do it

140
00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,440
Speaker 5: seems to be the problem. So I don't know if

141
00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,680
Speaker 5: nutritionally he's not getting ahead of it. I don't know

142
00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,800
Speaker 5: what the issue is. Certainly, you know, for people who

143
00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,920
Speaker 5: want to speculate, all the pay per view wasn't doing well.

144
00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,960
Speaker 5: These are more competitive matchups, and the pay per view

145
00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,080
Speaker 5: probably got a boost of one hundred thousand buys or

146
00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,839
Speaker 5: fifty thousand buys pure speculation on my part. You know,

147
00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,840
Speaker 5: I just don't think there's any truth to it. Did

148
00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,480
Speaker 5: they add those two fights three weeks ago to try

149
00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,200
Speaker 5: to protect themselves from a possible scenario like this. Well,

150
00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,880
Speaker 5: certainly when you have Nate Diaz, he can be a variable,

151
00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,240
Speaker 5: but he was just absolutely awesome all week. And I

152
00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,520
Speaker 5: guess Kamzachimiv in terms of the weight and the Abu

153
00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,800
Speaker 5: Dhabi situation, he can be a variable as well. So

154
00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,200
Speaker 5: perhaps the matchmaking team and the executives had good foresight

155
00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,920
Speaker 5: to add those fights to the card. But I do

156
00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,000
Speaker 5: think those are kind of conspiracy theories. And I can

157
00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,400
Speaker 5: understand given the layout why they took on legs.

158
00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,480
Speaker 6: And again just because you know, I'm familiar with the process.

159
00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,679
Speaker 6: I'm not in the process, but I'm familiar with the process.

160
00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,280
Speaker 6: It is a massive burden on the editors and the

161
00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,640
Speaker 6: people that have to put this all together have already

162
00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,000
Speaker 6: cut the interviews.

163
00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:46,240
Speaker 2: You know.

164
00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,720
Speaker 6: Again it was supposed to be homs Out against na Diaz,

165
00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,880
Speaker 6: and you notice, you know, to lead into the fight,

166
00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,120
Speaker 6: they're not necessarily talking about each other, right, So there's

167
00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,040
Speaker 6: there's so many things they have to redo and re

168
00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,240
Speaker 6: edit and all that stuff. So I don't think it's

169
00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,240
Speaker 6: a burden that the UFC would put on anybody. Us

170
00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,880
Speaker 6: to make certain fights that they wanted. So, yeah, no,

171
00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,680
Speaker 6: I agree with you. I'm just it's just funny how

172
00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,280
Speaker 6: many people ask me that question.

173
00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course not. And I'll also tell you, you know,

174
00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,480
Speaker 5: I'm sitting on the TV set getting ready to film

175
00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,120
Speaker 5: UFC Live at two point thirty pm Pacific Live, right,

176
00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,440
Speaker 5: and we ended up canceling the show because we didn't

177
00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,560
Speaker 5: have the news. I mean, we had the news, but

178
00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,520
Speaker 5: we couldn't go with the news, right, And then Dana

179
00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,720
Speaker 5: White made the announcement on Sports Center thereafter, But it

180
00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,480
Speaker 5: went very close up until Dana's announcement right to get finalized.

181
00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,720
Speaker 5: Hunter told me at one point all six fighters, you know,

182
00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,880
Speaker 5: said no, And I think obviously, from a negotiating standpoint,

183
00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,439
Speaker 5: you would expect them to. But obviously everyone at one

184
00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,920
Speaker 5: point in time was was looking for something, and all

185
00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,000
Speaker 5: the athletes deserve credit, and we're going to get into

186
00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:49,000
Speaker 5: all of that. Certainly Leejinglyong and Kevin Holland right training

187
00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,280
Speaker 5: for Daniel Rodriguez. You know, don't you think Kevin Holland,

188
00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,280
Speaker 5: as good as Hamza Chimaya is, would have liked to

189
00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,360
Speaker 5: have had the chance to train for that man.

190
00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,600
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm complete one eighties.

191
00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, that really, it really is. But let us start

192
00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,480
Speaker 5: with Nathan fucking Diaz, man, I mean, what else can

193
00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,440
Speaker 5: you say? Obviously the pendulum swung to this Ferguson fight,

194
00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,959
Speaker 5: a much more favorable matchup for Nate, especially at this

195
00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,160
Speaker 5: stage of his career, and he's able to get the

196
00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,520
Speaker 5: finish and at least leave the UFC for now, for

197
00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,840
Speaker 5: however long, on the highest note possible.

198
00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, I thought it was a perfect scenario, or

199
00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,800
Speaker 6: as perfect a scenario for Nathaniz as could be now,

200
00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,600
Speaker 6: same thing for him, right, he was preparing for a

201
00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,920
Speaker 6: completely different guy than Tony Ferguson. I thought the fight

202
00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,960
Speaker 6: there was certainly sloppy moments, right. I think Nate Diaz

203
00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,120
Speaker 6: and he talked about it that he focused primarily on

204
00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,880
Speaker 6: wrestling in jiu jitsu in preparation for Hamzat Chimayav, which

205
00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,200
Speaker 6: I think was a smart choice. So perhaps the striking

206
00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,200
Speaker 6: didn't look as sharp as you typically see it, but

207
00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,920
Speaker 6: still got it done. And you know, I said it

208
00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,760
Speaker 6: before when we were breaking down this fight, Nate Diaz,

209
00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,760
Speaker 6: being used to taking punches and give punches at one

210
00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,160
Speaker 6: hundred and seventy pounds was going to be the difference,

211
00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,920
Speaker 6: and you could see it when he was hitting Tony Ferguson.

212
00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,280
Speaker 6: Tony Ferguson just did not like it. You could see

213
00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,360
Speaker 6: the effect on his face, whether it was cuts or

214
00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,000
Speaker 6: bruising under the eyes, him turning around at certain times,

215
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,880
Speaker 6: and I know he was kind of looking for that backfist,

216
00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,800
Speaker 6: but Nadiz doesn't have to throw a whole lot. It

217
00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,240
Speaker 6: doesn't look like he's throwing hard, but man, this guy

218
00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,640
Speaker 6: knows how to throw punches. He was putting together and

219
00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,520
Speaker 6: I also thought he had a significant advantage on the ground.

220
00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,679
Speaker 6: Na Diez is just so clean with his jiu jitsu.

221
00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,880
Speaker 6: He's one of the smartest guys when it comes to

222
00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,840
Speaker 6: countering a double leg takedown. His guillotine is absolutely legendary.

223
00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,920
Speaker 6: That hyaboguillotine was in full effect. He hit that in

224
00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,920
Speaker 6: about a half a second when Tony Ferguson went for

225
00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,200
Speaker 6: that takedown, which I think was a tactical error, a

226
00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,720
Speaker 6: strategic error on the part of Tony and his team,

227
00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,880
Speaker 6: But anyways, I thought it was also really impressive how

228
00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,280
Speaker 6: he was taking and eating those leg kicks and somehow

229
00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,320
Speaker 6: continue to go forward and act like he's unaffected by it.

230
00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,280
Speaker 6: It's unbelievable because it was clearly you know, those are

231
00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,959
Speaker 6: painful things to take, painful strikes to take. And again

232
00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,560
Speaker 6: there were times you know he's leaning on the fence,

233
00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,040
Speaker 6: but it's all play. You see that is he breathing

234
00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,320
Speaker 6: hard and then he's not, you know, is he is

235
00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,040
Speaker 6: one of the toughest human beings telling it's unbelievable. So

236
00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,000
Speaker 6: great to see Nathiez go out in style with the

237
00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,280
Speaker 6: submission over another legend in Tony Ferguson.

238
00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,400
Speaker 5: The toughness right like, he's not even limping around. I'm

239
00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,120
Speaker 5: seeing video later in the night. I mean his leg

240
00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,839
Speaker 5: was mangled. So all credit to Nathiez. I want to

241
00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,760
Speaker 5: get into the submission. Obviously the message came from the corner,

242
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,240
Speaker 5: Kenny Johnson. I believe it was in the corner calling

243
00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,160
Speaker 5: for the takedown of Tony Ferguson, and probably a wayward decision.

244
00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,120
Speaker 5: And certainly there's a lot that goes into the submission.

245
00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,760
Speaker 5: Hen Or Gracie did a pretty good breakdown of this.

246
00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,439
Speaker 5: You know, he also talked about when Nathie has submitted

247
00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,080
Speaker 5: Connor McGregor with the rear naked show, it's actually a

248
00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,319
Speaker 5: guillotine at first that Connor defended well before the rear

249
00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,400
Speaker 5: naked choke. So in this era where we talk so

250
00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,560
Speaker 5: much about submission offense being a lost star, what can

251
00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,960
Speaker 5: you tell us about the fight ending sequence old school fighters?

252
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,040
Speaker 6: Man, I love it.

253
00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:10,480
Speaker 4: You know.

254
00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,880
Speaker 6: He fights to finish. Okay, he doesn't always have the

255
00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,959
Speaker 6: best performances, but he doesn't care if you're winning around,

256
00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,559
Speaker 6: if you're trying to score points, which really don't exist

257
00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,200
Speaker 6: in MMA. You're not scoring a points with takedowns, you're

258
00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,880
Speaker 6: not scoring points with a jab with the cross. It's

259
00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,120
Speaker 6: about damage and effectiveness of your technique in the grappling

260
00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,840
Speaker 6: or striking realm Okay, So he is looking to finish you.

261
00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,920
Speaker 6: That's why he puts so much emphasis in that fight

262
00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,640
Speaker 6: against Leon Edwards. He's like, yeah, you were winning, you were,

263
00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,440
Speaker 6: you know, winning the fight, but I almost knocked you out.

264
00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,440
Speaker 6: I was closest to finishing the fight. And it's that

265
00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,760
Speaker 6: old school mentality of a martial artist who's not looking

266
00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,120
Speaker 6: to win around, he's looking to finish you. And that's

267
00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,600
Speaker 6: what Nate Diaz and Nick Diaz have been about. It's

268
00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,000
Speaker 6: why they're so beloved and whether it's on the ground

269
00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,880
Speaker 6: or on the feet, he's not looking at score points.

270
00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,440
Speaker 6: He's looking to take you out. That's what defines who

271
00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,959
Speaker 6: wins a fight at the end of the day. It's

272
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,920
Speaker 6: not some judge you know, saying you did better in

273
00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,000
Speaker 6: these rounds against no, it's if you get the other

274
00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,120
Speaker 6: guy to give up or if you put him to sleep.

275
00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,560
Speaker 6: That's what indicates you were the better fighter that night.

276
00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,679
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, there is no dispute.

277
00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,439
Speaker 6: You take the judges the referees out of the equation.

278
00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,199
Speaker 6: So I think it was a tremendous performance, a beautiful

279
00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:27,719
Speaker 6: finish to that.

280
00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,280
Speaker 5: Guiotine Cody, isn't too much to ask for you to

281
00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,600
Speaker 5: put in the chat that entire Farasa Hobby quote about

282
00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,960
Speaker 5: there not being a better street fighter in MMA. I

283
00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,120
Speaker 5: also will say about the Diaz brothers. You know there's

284
00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,439
Speaker 5: show money is some of the best in mixed martial arts,

285
00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,680
Speaker 5: and I don't think they necessarily need to worry about

286
00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,200
Speaker 5: winning by decision because they're getting the full paycheck. But yes,

287
00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,440
Speaker 5: I think you're absolutely right. Now when you hear an

288
00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,880
Speaker 5: MMA commentator say, you know, scoring points right, it is

289
00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,120
Speaker 5: a relative term. I try to stay away from it,

290
00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,040
Speaker 5: but there are times when I say it, but I

291
00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,439
Speaker 5: do believe when it is used at times it is reletively,

292
00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,880
Speaker 5: just like, yeah, you know, scoring points in the mind

293
00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,880
Speaker 5: of the judges in this round. But obviously you know

294
00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,840
Speaker 5: you're right, I mean, and he absolutely fights to finish.

295
00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,040
Speaker 5: And in terms of the relative success of Nathdez's career,

296
00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,320
Speaker 5: and this win certainly is a big feather in his

297
00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,120
Speaker 5: cap and we will get to the Ferguson side as well.

298
00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,160
Speaker 5: But Nate Diaz sort of quantifying his UFC career as

299
00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,560
Speaker 5: the most successful one, and in a lot of respects

300
00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,000
Speaker 5: I would agree with him. Here's the quote from Farasa Hobby.

301
00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,280
Speaker 5: If you put him in a fight where there is

302
00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,320
Speaker 5: no time limit, I think he beats ninety nine percent

303
00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,520
Speaker 5: of fighters. You can't sub him, you can't finish him.

304
00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,640
Speaker 5: The guy doesn't stop walking forward. He puts volume on you.

305
00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,280
Speaker 5: He is the scariest in my opinion, street fighter in MMA.

306
00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,600
Speaker 5: And at the front end, the front end of the

307
00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,480
Speaker 5: quote is I think if you had to fight him

308
00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,880
Speaker 5: in the street man, you're in a fight for your

309
00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,320
Speaker 5: life and ain't going to be no judges standing you

310
00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,160
Speaker 5: up between rounds, no judge to come and give you

311
00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,000
Speaker 5: to win. This guy ain't going away. Yeah, yeah, I

312
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,040
Speaker 5: mean a tremendous, tremendous a lot of respect for Nathanez.

313
00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,400
Speaker 5: What the fuck was I just talking about before I

314
00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,560
Speaker 5: went off to that quote.

315
00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:01,720
Speaker 6: I'm not sure.

316
00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,880
Speaker 5: I don't even know. We'll get back to Natan to say, oh, yeah,

317
00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,000
Speaker 5: relative success of his career, all right, Right, so I

318
00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,440
Speaker 5: think you can argue that his career is as successful

319
00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,720
Speaker 5: as any non champion certainly in UFC history. But like,

320
00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,080
Speaker 5: what are we looking to do? These are prize fighters, right,

321
00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,120
Speaker 5: So he's probably made as much money. Certainly, he's made

322
00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,880
Speaker 5: more money than any non champion. I would think he

323
00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,600
Speaker 5: is entering free agency as the consensus biggest superstar in

324
00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,160
Speaker 5: the game. With Connor McGregor on the men right now,

325
00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,880
Speaker 5: it is so difficult to attain free agent status as

326
00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,400
Speaker 5: a superstar in combat sports on his level. He has

327
00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,080
Speaker 5: sixteen UFC wins, you know, you're right there with him,

328
00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,760
Speaker 5: but ten career wins by submission. He did fight for

329
00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,560
Speaker 5: the championship in twenty twelve. You know, I don't know

330
00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,760
Speaker 5: how you quantify it, but to me, Kenny, this is

331
00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,680
Speaker 5: one of the more successful UFC careers that we've ever seen.

332
00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,800
Speaker 5: In three or four years ago, even with the McGregor

333
00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,720
Speaker 5: series in the can I'm not sure I necessarily thought

334
00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:57,800
Speaker 5: about it in that light.

335
00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, I would say this, it's debatable. Does he

336
00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,040
Speaker 6: have one of the best careers. I don't know how

337
00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,720
Speaker 6: are we judging it, But I'll tell you what's impressive

338
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,840
Speaker 6: about it is the fact that here's a guy who's

339
00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,120
Speaker 6: been fighting for many, many years. Okay, I would say

340
00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,080
Speaker 6: he's a part of my generation for sure, and here

341
00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,960
Speaker 6: he is still fighting the best guys. Okay, all the

342
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,880
Speaker 6: way throughout his career. He's done that, and I'm sure

343
00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,600
Speaker 6: he's had losses in this and that, but when you

344
00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,400
Speaker 6: talk about guys that he's faced, these are elite fighters,

345
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,840
Speaker 6: and he largely did it with a style that, again

346
00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,080
Speaker 6: is about finishing fights. He didn't have the most amount

347
00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,600
Speaker 6: of weapons, but boy, his toughness has shined through regardless

348
00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,440
Speaker 6: of winning or losing. He's a guy that was always

349
00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,960
Speaker 6: trying to fight to the very end, was looking for

350
00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,800
Speaker 6: a finish, has been in countless entertaining fights. The consistency

351
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,400
Speaker 6: the longevity of his career, you simply do not see that,

352
00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 6: especially given the fact that he's you know, you look

353
00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,520
Speaker 6: at his style he's a warrior. He fights to see

354
00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,879
Speaker 6: who bleeds more, he fights who's tougher, he fights to

355
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,760
Speaker 6: see who's more durable. And the fact that he's done

356
00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,960
Speaker 6: this at this stage of the game with what only

357
00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:21,840
Speaker 6: one knockout was Josh Thompson, the only guy, right, yeah, so,

358
00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,320
Speaker 6: but very few guys, and it's it's it's very very

359
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,159
Speaker 6: impressive to see him have that kind of a career

360
00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,639
Speaker 6: for so long, and the fact that he was able

361
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,320
Speaker 6: to make a lot of money a little bit later.

362
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,080
Speaker 6: His career is so well deserved. I mean, out of

363
00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,639
Speaker 6: all the guys, he has suffered a lot, both in

364
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,440
Speaker 6: training and in performances. And to finally see him get

365
00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,720
Speaker 6: his due over the last you know, several years, I

366
00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,600
Speaker 6: guess since Connor McGregor is awesome to see. He absolutely

367
00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,120
Speaker 6: deserves that and more. And I don't think he's done

368
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,120
Speaker 6: quite yet. I'd like to see him finish up soon,

369
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,639
Speaker 6: but I think he has a couple more fights on

370
00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:58,080
Speaker 6: his mind.

371
00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,760
Speaker 5: In my preparation for UFC two seventy nine, I came

372
00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,879
Speaker 5: across a list on IMDb of the greatest one hundred

373
00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,120
Speaker 5: and forty mixed martial arts fighters of all time. Now

374
00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,879
Speaker 5: I don't know who made this list or how they

375
00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,080
Speaker 5: even quantify it or if you know, I think some

376
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,200
Speaker 5: of it's based upon maybe being in public or whatever.

377
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,840
Speaker 5: Do we think Ken Flow is in that one hundred

378
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,800
Speaker 5: and forty? Of course he was, because why would I

379
00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,439
Speaker 5: bring up a list of one hundred and forty of

380
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,919
Speaker 5: the greatest MMA fighters of all time? If Kenny was

381
00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,320
Speaker 5: not a part of it? That would have ended up

382
00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,120
Speaker 5: on the cutting room floor? What number do you think

383
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:35,960
Speaker 5: was next to your name? Any idea? So obviously, can

384
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,639
Speaker 5: you imagine the president of Team Florian me fucking scrolling

385
00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,560
Speaker 5: this list like like seventy right as I get to

386
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,439
Speaker 5: seventy five, eighty, and I'm like, oh, man like, but

387
00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,639
Speaker 5: then we get to number one eleven and there he is,

388
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,680
Speaker 5: in all his glory, the one hundred and eleventh greatest

389
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,040
Speaker 5: mixed Martial arts fighter of all time, Kenny Florian.

390
00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,680
Speaker 6: Now it was one, right, yeah, yeah?

391
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 5: And I bring it up in this context because there

392
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,960
Speaker 5: were a lot of fighters above you that skill for

393
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,080
Speaker 5: skill you could probably beat on your worst day. So

394
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,600
Speaker 5: you know, I bring it up in that context, right,

395
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 5: because again Nate did as you know, if you look

396
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 5: at I mean double digit UFC losses I believe, maybe not,

397
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 5: but I think he does.

398
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:17,760
Speaker 4: Right.

399
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 5: But dude, I mean, look at the career. Just absolutely incredible.

400
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,480
Speaker 5: And my two nine tattoo continues to age gracefully, by the.

401
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,679
Speaker 6: Way, absolutely dude. And I'll say this, you know, listen,

402
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 6: if Nate Diaz wanted to go out there and pick

403
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 6: the right fights and try to have this you know,

404
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 6: pristine record and take the guys that just no. I mean,

405
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,879
Speaker 6: he got tough fights, and he accepted a lot of

406
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 6: those fights, whether it was the UFC, you know, kind

407
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 6: of maybe forcing his hand, or whether it was him

408
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 6: calling out a certain fighter. And again, you know, it's

409
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,199
Speaker 6: easy to manage your career and get the right fights

410
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 6: and do this and that. Again the old school mentality

411
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 6: of those guys. You fought whoever it was, you fought

412
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 6: the best. You wanted to establish your legacy, you wanted

413
00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 6: to cast yourself as a fighter, as a man, as

414
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 6: a martial artist. And he absolute did that.

415
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 5: Caesar gracie jiu jitsu baby, Congratulations to Nate Diaz. Ice

416
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 5: Cream Crone had to enjoy that wherever he was watching,

417
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,919
Speaker 5: all right, So let us talk a little bit about

418
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 5: Nate Diez his future. He enters free agency. I'm not

419
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 5: sure that any fighter has had this type of leverage before.

420
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 5: Certainly it stands to reason there could be the singular

421
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 5: Jake Paul Payday. He's gonna fight Anderson Silva in late

422
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 5: October on Showtime pay per view. And it seemed like

423
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 5: Nate not only left the door open for a UFC return,

424
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 5: but also laid the foundation for it in his post

425
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 5: fight interview with Joe Rogan. I mean, certainly, I think

426
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 5: Nate maybe would like to box. I just don't know

427
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 5: with his real fight inc Right, let's say that he

428
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 5: wants to headline real fight ink one, who's he fighting?

429
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 5: What's the undercard? Look like, there's so much infrastructurally that

430
00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 5: needs to be done to pull off a show promotionally, know,

431
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 5: it's sort of a long winded setup. But what do

432
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 5: you think we see from Nate Diez next.

433
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 6: Gosh, it's gonna be interesting. I think that, you know,

434
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 6: he kind of alluded to it with Connor McGregor and

435
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 6: the fact that he know he started his own, you know,

436
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 6: entertainment sports business. I wonder, I wonder if he's gonna

437
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 6: try to put together a boxing fight against Connor McGregor.

438
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 6: At a certain point. But you know, definitely there's the

439
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 6: Jake Paul fight. You know, I think in na Diez's mind,

440
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 6: he's like, Hey, here's this guy who's talking shit who

441
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 6: wants to fight. I can make tens of millions of

442
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 6: dollars fighting this dude. And you know, in Nate Diez's mind,

443
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 6: he's like, I'm gonna.

444
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 3: Squash this dude.

445
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 6: I'm gonna kill him. So I think it'd be, you know,

446
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,239
Speaker 6: in his mind, an easy payday and one where he

447
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 6: can kind of promote his business, get that business going,

448
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 6: and then use that money to fund that and then

449
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 6: put on everything from it looks like uh jiu jitsu

450
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 6: to you know, boxing to kick boxing, MMA fights, uh,

451
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 6: you know, under his under his banners. So he's got

452
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 6: a lot of good business men, you know, That's the thing.

453
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 6: Natie is has a lot of smart guys around him,

454
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 6: a good management team that I think he will you know, uh,

455
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 6: delegate those duties to. But I'm curious to see what

456
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 6: he does.

457
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: Man.

458
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 6: I think he's very motivated to get the business side

459
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,239
Speaker 6: of things going. He already has millions of dollars and

460
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 6: now I think it's about doing something different and trying

461
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 6: to get as many millions of dollars as easily as possible,

462
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 6: which he desired.

463
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, let us now welcome into the conversation

464
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 5: the star of the program, the great way long ago.

465
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 4: Yo, look at you, Kenny, looking a lot better than

466
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago. Tell you that, what do

467
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 4: you mean? What do you mean here? He goes way.

468
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 5: At least tell our new listeners that he had COVID

469
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 5: twenty a couple of weeks ago.

470
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 4: COVID Now listeners, do we have new listeners so excited.

471
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 5: With promoting the show? With you promoting the show?

472
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 4: How am I dealing with that?

473
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: You're doing?

474
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 4: Okay?

475
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 5: I mean we missed your Instagram handle.

476
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 4: I know some can somebody help me with the fucking Instagram.

477
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 6: You still don't have?

478
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Fuck my god, fuck everybody at this.

479
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 6: We gotta we gotta get that back under control.

480
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 5: So we were just talking about Nate Diaz and the

481
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 5: relative success of his career and this crazy UFC two

482
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 5: seventy nine fight week. Uh, what were your thoughts on

483
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 5: everything that transpired?

484
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 7: Uh?

485
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 4: Uh, Look, I think that the fights ended up being Uh,

486
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: I think the matchups were definitely better. I think just

487
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 4: the the Nate Nate Tony fight. I look, two great guys.

488
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 4: It's just me I would have liked to have seen

489
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 4: that fight eight years ago, you know, kind of just

490
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 4: when I was watching, it reminded me of uh I

491
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 4: used to watch the old time has always watch Old

492
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 4: Timers day with my dad right with baseball. Tell me

493
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 4: how good the magio was this guy? Then you see

494
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 4: the guy get up and he's trotting around the bases,

495
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 4: and as a as a young kid, I'm going, what

496
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 4: the fuck, You're not even like I'm young, so I'm

497
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 4: not making it like the guy. The guy who was

498
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: probably forty two at the time. He wasn't even I

499
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 4: don't even think those old timers were that old back then.

500
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 4: But it just looked I was like, how could that

501
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 4: guy have been good? You know what I mean. So

502
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: I'm saying I think somebody who tuned in to MMA

503
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 4: for the first time that watched that fight. And again,

504
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 4: two great guys, and I love you know, I love Nathiaz.

505
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 4: Any guy comes out to give me shelter with rolling stones.

506
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 4: I mean, guy's the best man. That's why the guy's

507
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 4: got a lot of followers. He's just everything he does

508
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 4: appeals to somebody, right, Yeah, but it just looked, uh,

509
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 4: you know, it's a last minute thing, right, so everybody

510
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 4: has to adjust, all of them, had to adjust the

511
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 4: different opponents. Uh and uh, it just looked, you know,

512
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 4: like a little slow. I'm going to say, you know, Tony,

513
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 4: Tony's running around, he's turning his back, the screaming don't.

514
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 4: They must have said don't turn your back fifty times

515
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 4: during the fight. There's a guy at the top of

516
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 4: you know, suppose you know. That's what I'm saying, Like

517
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 4: it's I just would rather have seen the fight eight

518
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 4: years ago. I think it would have been a great fight.

519
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 4: But you could see, like Nate really feels for Tony.

520
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 4: That's why I love about what Nate too, is like

521
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: he knows, you know, the guy was twelve and zero.

522
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 4: I think he feels for him. He's been around for

523
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: a long time. I think he would do anything to

524
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 4: see that guy make a good payday, which I hope

525
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: he did. So that the camaraderie part and that part

526
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 4: of it was just absolutely fantastic. I just think that,

527
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 4: you know, there was a lot more behind the scenes

528
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 4: going on, and I don't know even you know, the

529
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 4: guy he's the corner telling him to take him down.

530
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 4: He's beating up the guy's leg. I mean, it's like

531
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 4: it's a The whole thing was just weird to me,

532
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And then I'm assuming Kenny

533
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 4: that the idea was take him down and maybe try

534
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 4: to land an elbow to cut him to end the fight.

535
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 6: Now I was confused by that as well. I I

536
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 6: don't want I don't want to shit on anybody, but

537
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 6: it's just like, you know, you're you're kicking the shit

538
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 6: out of his legs, You're getting fine, you know, why

539
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 6: are you going to try to double leg one of

540
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 6: the best guillotine finishers in the UFC history, right number one?

541
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 6: And it's like, I don't know what do you want

542
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 6: to take down for? Because just because like what was

543
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 6: he gonna do there? But I don't know right? Well,

544
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 6: and Ray, I want to ask you a question. Do

545
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 6: you think Tony was turning his back because he was

546
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 6: just kept looking for that spitting back this, or do

547
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 6: you think there's a fundamental change in Tony and how

548
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 6: he's taking punches during fights Now?

549
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: No, I think Tony used to get away with all

550
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 4: of this shit, Like I think that that you're just

551
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: seeing it slowed down a little bit, so it's more

552
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 4: obvious like that. It's not you know, that's why I say,

553
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 4: like the basics just aren't there, right. So, but the

554
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 4: things he used to get away with, he doesn't get

555
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: away with anymore. And that happens to everybody. It's not

556
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: a it's not even a knock on him at all.

557
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 4: It really isn't part of the shit. It's just for

558
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: the time is undefeated. And you know, if you tuned

559
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: in for the first time and I told you you're

560
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 4: going to see two of the greatest lightweights or both

561
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: the way where I know they four to seventy, but

562
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: two of the greatest lightweights fight, you're looking at me

563
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: like I'm out of my fucking mind after that fight,

564
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: Like what are you talking about? That's that's where whatever

565
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 4: that means, that's where I'm coming from. But I absolutely

566
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: love both guys. It's not even a you know, Nate,

567
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: I'm just happy for him because it looks like he's happy.

568
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 4: He's getting out of his contract, and you know, he's

569
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: doing the right thing, right. He didn't even burn any bridges.

570
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 4: He's leaving the door open. He spoke very well, Uh

571
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: and that's it. The guy's a good dude, and I'm

572
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: sure everybody wants to see this kid succeed in whatever

573
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: he's doing. But uh, as far as the fight, it

574
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: just it seemed I think I taket the job. I'm

575
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: just it was a little sad to me, and I

576
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: don't I don't like I don't like that. So yeah, yeah,

577
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Because I'll tell you who

578
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 4: they'll never go to say that about. Kabib. That's who

579
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: they're never gonna say it about. Because he got the

580
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: fuck out on top. He did the hardest thing possible.

581
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 4: He walked away on top. That's hard, you know what

582
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 4: I mean. Nobody was gonna use.

583
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 5: Tony has had a lot of things work against him

584
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 5: in his UFC career. I mean, certainly the injury at Fox,

585
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 5: but there have been a lot of things that have

586
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 5: worked against him. You know, he ended up twice fighting

587
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 5: for the UFC Interim Lightweight Championship, you know, and if

588
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 5: one of those is an undisputed title fight, you know,

589
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: maybe his his bank account looks different and he doesn't.

590
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's ansor reason that the Lee

591
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 5: Jingly Young matchup would have been particularly difficult for Tony

592
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: Ferguson on this night, you know, uh, and potentially really damaging.

593
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. I guess I just I

594
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 5: look at his last two fights, right, And I'm also

595
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 5: not in the business of retiring fighters, you know, So

596
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 5: Dean tails join us here in a little bit, and

597
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 5: you know, I think there it's okay for other fighters

598
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 5: to and coaches to to make that opinion.

599
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 4: Now.

600
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 5: I guess for me, I am leaning in a little

601
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: bit to the positive of his performance against Michael Chandler

602
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 5: early in that fight, all he did with the leg

603
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 5: kicks in this fight, I just think there are guys

604
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 5: Kenny and Ray in that top twenty five that present

605
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 5: a favorable matchup at lightweight for Tony Ferguson, and I

606
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: would like to see him give him a chance to

607
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 5: at least go out on a high note or a whip.

608
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 5: Is that fair enough?

609
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 4: One hundred percent fair? One hundred percent fair. But you know,

610
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 4: like it just seems like we got this model now

611
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: where guys they they fight their bulls off for no money,

612
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: and by the time they actually can make money like that,

613
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: those good years have passed them by. And I think

614
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: it sucks that's that's.

615
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 5: Well, it's that way in a lot of fields, though, right,

616
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: I mean I could see him a ton of announcers, right,

617
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: heydays are insane right now at their curveball, you know,

618
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: ten years ago. I mean, I can assure you this

619
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: play by play, guy god Willing, if I live into

620
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 5: my seventies, not gonna see me on a microphone. I'm

621
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 5: gonna let young guys step up, you know. I mean,

622
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: these guys stick around for fucking ever.

623
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 4: So all right, all right now, I think now now,

624
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: I think you're taking a shot at me.

625
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 6: No, not at all.

626
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 4: Well, no, I mean ain't going nowhere. Just so you know,

627
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: I don't give it.

628
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 5: You haven't lost anything, you know, I continue to produce

629
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 5: champions in high level dudes.

630
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 4: Teddy, I might be projecting at this point, but I

631
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: don't even can if I make a mistake, you can't

632
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: get rid of me when you.

633
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 6: Stop producing champions and high level guys. Right, We're gonna

634
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 6: make that.

635
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: I will definitely make that, trust me.

636
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 5: But the UFC's undisputed vandamweight champion still uses you to

637
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 5: hold pads for him. Now, maybe that'll change in the

638
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 5: years to come. But in terms of your mental and

639
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 5: you in the corner your sharpes A. You're sharper than

640
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 5: you've ever been.

641
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 6: Just don't ask him to hold just don't ask him

642
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 6: to hold pads for some dude off the street, okay

643
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 6: or five hundred.

644
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 4: We're not going back. We're not going back to that.

645
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I mean luckily for me. I mean,

646
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: if you if your mind is the listing to go,

647
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: I should be I should be fine. But uh, yeah,

648
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

649
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 6: I think you did.

650
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well no, no so far I said, I don't.

651
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 4: You never know when I could switch. Trust me, you

652
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: know how much I had to concentrate on just knowing

653
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: that the podcast was eleven this morning. But but then again,

654
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: we change it every week, so maybe I'm not that big.

655
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 6: I don't know. Man, You.

656
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 5: Well, if you'd like to, if you'd like to have

657
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 5: a consistent time slot, you just let the let the know,

658
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 5: and we can build the show around the star. Because

659
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 5: I believe it or not, we actually do build the

660
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 5: show around you. We actually reach out to you once

661
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 5: say eleven a ms, okay, then we build the rest

662
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 5: of the show around.

663
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead. But anyway, I love I love both

664
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: of those guys. I really do, and they deserve everything.

665
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: I'm happy for the way they both conducted themselves. I'm

666
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 4: happy about that they made money and that they're gonna

667
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: you know, Nate looks like he's going to continue to

668
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: do really well and that's it. That's it for me.

669
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: But as far as uh, you know, the fight, I

670
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: just thought it was I would rather have seen it

671
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 4: eight years ago.

672
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

673
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 5: So with respect to Steve Lee, friend of the program,

674
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 5: I can't talk about him before hamzat Chimaya.

675
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: So we will ye.

676
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 6: Fight.

677
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 5: There are a lot of layers to this, and uh,

678
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 5: you know, I will lead by saying I believe Kamza

679
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 5: Chimayav right now is the most dominant force in the game.

680
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 5: But obviously he hasn't proven to be a guy who

681
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 5: can consistently make the welterweight limit, never mind the championship limit,

682
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 5: which is a pound below one seventy one. But for

683
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 5: him to do this to Kevin Holland, however ill prepared

684
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 5: Kevin may have been for this stylistic challenge. You know,

685
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 5: Kevin can grapple. I mean, I understand that his wrestling

686
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 5: at times has left things to be desired, but you know,

687
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: this seemed like a darsh from hell. And this fighter

688
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 5: is going to present problems, I think to guys in

689
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 5: three different divisions. Right, so I'll start with you and

690
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: then get to the other legend, Ken Flow. But what

691
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 5: do you have for us on Shimaia of the week

692
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 5: and the performance?

693
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: Uh no, no, performance wise, I mean obviously unbelievable, right,

694
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: And and and showed a smart fight IQ too. He

695
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: just said, let me just go out there and put

696
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: it to where I'm the best, and that's exactly what

697
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: he did. And Kevin, you know, put up a fight.

698
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: But Kevin, I think is one of those guys that

699
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: he's I think it was like when Algirol fort Sanhagen.

700
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: You know, I think the one thing we said was, look,

701
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 4: you get this guy down. He's the there's no urgency,

702
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 4: and with some guys you have to have urgency and

703
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: be frantic to get out of that position. So I think,

704
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 4: you know, because certain guys latch you onto your neck,

705
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: it's not it's not good. So I think that's the

706
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: only thing. I think Kevin Holling can wrestle. But I

707
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: think he had a He probably got blindsided too. I mean,

708
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 4: I don't know. Somebody's said and look at somebody saying

709
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 4: he went to touch gloves and he shot it takedown

710
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: and blah blah blah, and it's over. But the guy, look,

711
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 4: the guy looks like an animal. And now he's actually

712
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 4: starting to talk like an animal. And he was really

713
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 4: just total disdain for everything. He didn't give a funk

714
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: about the weight. But I think I don't like Again,

715
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: I'm trying to interpret his side of it, I think,

716
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: and tell me if I'm wrong, because I didn't really

717
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: follow the whole thing. His side of it was that

718
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: he could have made weight. The doctors stopped him from making.

719
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 5: Weight, Yes, but that ultimately is on him.

720
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 8: Right, because he called the doctors. I'm assuming no, Well,

721
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 8: he was devastated. That was the verb that was used

722
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 8: to describe it to me by someone in the know.

723
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 8: But obviously that's on him. You know, you got to

724
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 8: put yourself in a position in the weight class relative

725
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 8: to your bout agreement to not need medical attention in

726
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 8: the middle of your wake cup, you know.

727
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 4: But he does. I do believe that he definitely needed

728
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: medical attention.

729
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 5: Well, I I mean, I guess intervention or so than attention. Right,

730
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 5: they stopped his weight cut, you know, But I do

731
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 5: believe that the number would have been closer to like,

732
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 5: you know, seventy three if he had actually, you know,

733
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 5: if he had right right.

734
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: And was I interpreting that right? It seemed like he was.

735
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: It seemed a couple of things. Seemed like he was

736
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 4: bitching about that that he could have made the way.

737
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 4: But the doctors that's why I don't want to talk

738
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: about it, because they stopped me from making the weight. So,

739
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, he's passing the buck, which

740
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: I can't stand.

741
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 6: But uh, and then he.

742
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: Kind of it was a little ambiguous too. He kind

743
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: of said he knew he was fighting Kevin Holland before,

744
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 4: like anybody knew. So I don't know what the hell

745
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: was going on, you know, I don't know. It's a weird,

746
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 4: weird thing. But hey, it worked out for the UFC.

747
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 4: I'm sure that's all they care about. And uh, you know,

748
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 4: the fights were one hundred entertaining, so that it was

749
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 4: a good.

750
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 5: Night templer what he got on Shimaya kidding, I'll say,

751
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 5: you know, he he approached.

752
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 6: This fight like he was going against a sparring partner

753
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 6: that he apps dominates and tools and practice whenever he wants.

754
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 6: He just walked forward like he had no respect for

755
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 6: Kevin Hall and whatsoever. He's like, I'm gonna dominate you.

756
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 6: I'm gonna make this look easy because I know I'm

757
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 6: going to make it look easy. It was that level

758
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 6: of confidence. And I'll say this, I think Kevin Holland

759
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 6: has a lot of potential, but I'm also not going

760
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 6: to pretend like he's a top ten, top five guy

761
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 6: at this stage of his career. So Hamza, does he

762
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 6: have a lot of potential, absolutely, you know, but we

763
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 6: also can't forget he had a tough fight against Gilbert Burns.

764
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 6: Gilbert Burns is a top five guy. He is very good.

765
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 6: That was a close fight. When I see him do

766
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 6: that against a top five guy, then I'm saying, all right,

767
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 6: that's that's something special. That is something else. He's doing

768
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 6: something different than everybody else. So I'm waiting for that

769
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 6: kind of performance still early in his career. And we

770
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 6: have to remember that that what you do in training

771
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 6: is rarely just seen in the octagon after three or

772
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 6: four fights, or five fights or six fights. It takes

773
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 6: time to have that level of maturity and control and

774
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 6: composure to you see that. So I does he have

775
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 6: a lot to Absolutely, there's no question about it. He

776
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 6: might just be one of the best ever.

777
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 4: I don't know.

778
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 6: I'm still waiting to see that and confirm that is

779
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 6: the thing. But there's no question he's got a lot

780
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 6: of talent. But I think that he screwed this one

781
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 6: up as far as the way cut goes, because there

782
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 6: was a huge opportunity for him to go out there

783
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 6: and fight and look good against a big legend in

784
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 6: Nate Diaz. He missed out on that opportunity. May never

785
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 6: get that back, right, Probably never gonna get that back.

786
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 6: So he's got to do something to redeem himself both

787
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 6: with the UFC, with his fans, and probably his team,

788
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 6: to show you can rely on me to make weight,

789
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 6: because that's a big thing with the UFC, right, Any

790
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 6: organization who's putting money and promoting fights behind you, if

791
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 6: you're a question mark as far as whether you're gonna

792
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 6: make weight or not, gonna be good. So he's he's

793
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 6: got some redeeming to do, and I think he can.

794
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 6: I think he can definitely do it. He just has

795
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 6: some work to do.

796
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: Uh Yeah. The other thing too, is man he handled

797
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 4: Rogan like a true politician man, did he answer any

798
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 4: questions that Rogan answered? Like what was that was just

799
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: total disregard for everything. He didn't give a fuck. I

800
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: think it was. That was a bad look. And I

801
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: agree with Kenny as far as you know, you got

802
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 4: to see him against the upper level guys, and he's

803
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: right at this point, Kevin Holland's not there either, but

804
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: it still was a I think it was a fair

805
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: matchup for where they both were in their careers. But

806
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 4: you know, Hams that is definitely gonna beat ninety five

807
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: percent of the people at this point, There's no question

808
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: about that. But I agree with Kenny. Let's see him,

809
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 4: you know, against the news man or Covington or somebody.

810
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 5: You know, and I will make that you know that

811
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 5: the dreamy Ivan Covington, right, But I'm just saying, like

812
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 5: the leech is a really good fighter, right, and he

813
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 5: has just tool in him. Kevin Holland has headlined he's

814
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 5: Fatiago Santos knocked out jacare Soza, granted not in his prime.

815
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 5: Like this dude is just on a different level, Like

816
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 5: he's a monster in terms of his size. Like obviously,

817
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 5: when there's somebody like Alex Paeda, lurking, and it's a

818
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 5: totally different bowl game. And Daniel Cormier like takes great

819
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: exception to you talking about Chimayev as a light heavyweight,

820
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 5: even though he dominates two h five ers in training.

821
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 5: I mean, there's certainly guys in the light heavyweight top

822
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 5: ten that he beats. I find it interesting that maybe

823
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 5: the most difficult fight for him is Robert Whittaker, and

824
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 5: he says that is not a guy he wants to smash.

825
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 5: He wants to train with Robert Whitaker. So I actually

826
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 5: took issue with that. But dude, the way he disposes

827
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 5: of these guys and candidly just sitting octagon side for

828
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: his UFC debut and a lot of these fights thereafter.

829
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 5: Like I'm just saying, I've never seen anything like it,

830
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: you know, And there's a different ferocity to his game

831
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 5: relative to like habibnerm Go Medovs, Like this dude is

832
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 5: a fucking monster man, Like can't train with welterweights. I've

833
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 5: said repeatedly on these airwaves. I don't think he can

834
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 5: make welterweight consistently enough to be the champion of this

835
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 5: weight class, you know. But I mean he's favored to

836
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 5: beat Usman and Edwards right now.

837
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 4: You know, wow, he is favorite to beat both of them.

838
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 5: That's just my opinion.

839
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: Oh you know, no, No, I'm just saying he's definitely.

840
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: The thing he did with with the Leech and he

841
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: did with Kevin Holland is right away he went for

842
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 4: the ground game. I mean he just imposed. He didn't

843
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: do that with Burns.

844
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 5: I don't think he Burns has that Charles olivera danger

845
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 5: factor right right right, Well, you know, Gilbert Burns is

846
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: a very unique matchup I think.

847
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 4: I mean, Kevin Holland knocked out Jock Oray off his back.

848
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 4: I mean he should have been he should have got a.

849
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 5: Lot and it was fair to say Travis uh that

850
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 5: Travis Luter Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt Kevin Holland, though

851
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 5: is not the decorated world champion Gilbert Burns and a

852
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 5: grappling sers No.

853
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 6: No, not at all. I mean, listen, Gilbert Burns, you know,

854
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 6: obviously world class ju jitsu practitioner in every sense of

855
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 6: the word. But is he necessarily known as being a

856
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 6: threat off his back? Not necessarily, but again for chimaia,

857
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 6: if he felt something that he was not comfortable with

858
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 6: and if there's one guy who would have pulled it up,

859
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 6: it's probably Gilbert Burns, right, So yeah, no, and I

860
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 6: agree with that, John. I think that's fair to say.

861
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 6: I think that that stylistically is one of the toughest

862
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 6: matchups out there, and I'm curious to see just based

863
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 6: on his resting credentials alone, how do they match up

864
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 6: against a Kamara Uzman, you know, how does it match

865
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 6: up against a Colby Covington. I think he probably can

866
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 6: do that based on his size and the high level

867
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 6: that he's shown, But I want to see it. I

868
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 6: want to see it, and I think it just becomes

869
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 6: that much more intriguing for future matchups.

870
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 5: He seems to be, excuse me, a much bigger human

871
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 5: being than Colby Covington. But that remains my dream fight

872
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 5: and has been for a couple of years. Hey, Ray,

873
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 5: before we get you on out of here, I just

874
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 5: wanted to get some thoughts on Steve Lee. Obviously, he's

875
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: a huge supporter of the anic Iploran podcast. He's the

876
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 5: reason why Longo Widman Mma is flourishing as it is,

877
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 5: and fel to own to as a pro I guess

878
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 5: over the weekend, So how the fight.

879
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: Go. Yeah, I thought Steve did a lot of great things.

880
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: I would have definitely given him the fight. He's just

881
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 4: he's been in two fights that you know. One of

882
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: the first was a split decision loss, so he's his

883
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 4: luck is not good. But he did so many really

884
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: nice things in the fight.

885
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: He thought he won this fight. He lost by unanimous decision.

886
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, I mean, but it was close. It's not

887
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: no way. I'm just saying he looked like the better fighter,

888
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: and I'd have to see why they scored it the

889
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 4: way they did. But uh, you know, the other guy

890
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 4: had a lot of people there, so anytime he did

891
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 4: anything there was a crowd reaction. I think that maybe

892
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: it's no, I'm not taking away far.

893
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 5: Are you telling me that the Anak and Florian podcast

894
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: listenership and its inability to show up for Steve Lee

895
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 5: is in part to blame for this loss?

896
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 4: One hundred percent? Oh god, one hundred percent. I'm embarrassed now.

897
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 5: I regret bringing it up. All right, well, hey, we

898
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 5: appreciate you time. We're gonna let you go go ahead.

899
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: One quick thing. So, but Steve Lee, I thought he

900
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 4: did great. He made a lot of corrections from the

901
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: first fight. He's really a student of the game. He's

902
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: a great kid, so I push him the best. And

903
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 4: uh we also had Armando Gatcha knock his guy out

904
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: in the first round. He's looking really, really good. Happy

905
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: for him. He has made a lot of adjustments in

906
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: his training and he looks like he's gonna he's gonna

907
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 4: go on a little bit of a run. So I'm

908
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 4: happy for him too. But shout out to Armando and

909
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: Steve Lee.

910
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 5: And tell Steve Lee we're gonna sponsor Steve for his

911
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 5: third pro fight. Try to get the logo on the shorts,

912
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 5: but we are pledging sponsorship to Steve Lee for his

913
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 5: third profile.

914
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: Is it possible we get you as an opponent if

915
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: I pay you? Can we do that?

916
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 6: Get me approved?

917
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: Can we get him a fucking win?

918
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 8: John?

919
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 6: Can you tell? Is it Bannon White?

920
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 4: Anyway you want? What is the way that?

921
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 6: Yes?

922
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 5: I can make the wait. But the question is zero

923
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 5: and zero is a pro with no amateur bouts. Can

924
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 5: we'll up combat zero and two? Yes, because I can

925
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 5: make one hundred and thirty six pounds, that's not the issue.

926
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 4: I don't I think he'd fight yet one ninety. But uh,

927
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 4: I'm joking, all right. Think's wait, Kenny, he's not laughing.

928
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 4: Look at your ready to go. You're presenting me with

929
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: the fight here on I would never do. I don't

930
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 4: want to see two friends fight. That's all, okay, kind

931
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: of person?

932
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 6: Are you all right this week?

933
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 5: Are you're backing four months on Wednesday?

934
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 4: Yep? What you're gonna have in your corner? J C?

935
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: Santana his son Rio?

936
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can the corner. Well, I

937
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 5: have to have Rio Santana because he's my trainer. So

938
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 5: if I have Rio and j C and Ken Flow

939
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 5: and Dominic Cruz and general safety, maybe long I'm running

940
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 5: out of space.

941
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 6: You know, what are you gonna do?

942
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 4: Now? Ray?

943
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 5: Can you have any want to associated with Matt Sarah Michael.

944
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 4: Kenny, Yeah, he's he's I'll let me tell you something.

945
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: That was a weekend from hell with him, but we'll

946
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 4: leave that for that. He never happening again. But can

947
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: that Can he get his uncle Carlos Santana to come

948
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 4: with him, because I'm a big music fan. I love

949
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: his music anyway, I mean that would that would resorting

950
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 4: to school yard jokes.

951
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 5: It's all enjoy that call, brew have a good day.

952
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 6: We'll yeah.

953
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 5: The red along commentute every week here on the Anak

954
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 5: and Florian Podcast, and we will not waste any time

955
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: and rifle it back out to the guest line, because

956
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 5: we have a good man waiting. He has TSN Mixed

957
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 5: Martial Arts reporter, regular contributor to the Anticmploring podcast, Aaron

958
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 5: bronste It good to see him, my man, welcome home.

959
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 4: Hey, thank you. Good to be home.

960
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 6: All right.

961
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 5: So I'd love to sort of maintain this level of

962
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 5: levity and we'll get back to the fun stuff. But

963
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 5: most of the m m A world was shook this

964
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 5: morning when we awoke to the news that Elives Theodore,

965
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 5: at thirty four years of age, has succumbed and passed

966
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: away after a battle with liver care answer that was

967
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 5: stage four. You know, it seemed like he kept this

968
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 5: close to the vest obviously, And I know this hit

969
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 5: you pretty hard. So we appreciate a few minutes of

970
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: your time on what is a mournful day. Man, What

971
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 5: can you tell us as to what you know and

972
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: when you heard?

973
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks John, Yeah, I landed in Toronto around you know,

974
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: maybe about eight pm Eastern yesterday, got home, put my

975
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: kids to bed around nine pm, and I got a

976
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: note from a colleague of mine saying, have you heard

977
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: anything about Elias Diodoru? And I said what about him?

978
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: And he goes, I already passed away. And I was

979
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: rattled because the day before, backstage at UFC two seventy nine,

980
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: I was in the partners area with Caroline Pierce from

981
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: Beat Sport, and she told me a story about visiting

982
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: a friend of hers. You went to visit a friend

983
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: and her friends sid I met this great guy online.

984
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: I haven't met him yet, but you know, we're really

985
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: hitting it off. And she goes, let me show you

986
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: a picture of him, and Caroline goes, I hate to

987
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: break it to you, but this guy you're dating, you're

988
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: being catfished. Basically, he was using a photo of Elias

989
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: Theodor who, So Elias's name came up in this conversation.

990
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: I said, I've got to check in on Elias. I

991
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: haven't spoken to him sometime. I'm going to call him

992
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: on Monday and just check in, maybe do an interview

993
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: with him, see what he's up to. Call your friends,

994
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: call your family, Call people that you haven't spoken to

995
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: in a long time, because you just never know what's

996
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: going on. Obviously, Elias hadn't told me anything. You'd only

997
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: told a handful of people. I spoke to his representative yesterday,

998
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: somebody who hald worked with him for a long time,

999
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: and she said she was one of the few people

1000
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: that knew what he was going through, and she had

1001
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: sent him a couple of messages that went unanswered, and

1002
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: she knew that something was up, and she had found

1003
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: out the news yesterday as well. And yeah, I mean,

1004
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: it's just horrible. There's not much more to say about it.

1005
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: But if anybody is looking for a silver lining here,

1006
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: I will do my best to provide one, because when

1007
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: somebody who's thirty four years of age dies of cancer,

1008
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of silver linings for most human beings.

1009
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: But when Elias was released from the UFC, you know,

1010
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: him and I were always in touch. I actually knew

1011
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: Elias before I started covering MMA. I was a guest

1012
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: booker for a show and I had booked him a

1013
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: couple of times because he was just so charismatic and

1014
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: loved media, And I said to him, you know, are

1015
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: you gonna sign with the PFL signed with Bellator. He

1016
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: had a bunch of different offers from major promotions, but

1017
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: his interest was not in fighting for a major promotion again,

1018
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: it was in getting a therapeutic use exemption for medical

1019
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: cannabis R. That was his purpose that had driven him

1020
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: since he had been released from the UFC. And a

1021
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: lot of people will realize Elias came from kind of

1022
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: a middle upper class family, doesn't have one of these

1023
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: hard knocks life stories. His first time stepping into an

1024
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: MMA gam was at age twenty one. He won the

1025
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter at twenty five, Like, this guy was just

1026
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: a natural of what he did, and when he was released,

1027
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: that was what he wanted to do, was be able

1028
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: to get a therapeutic use exemption for medical cannabis because

1029
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: when he was in the UFC was trying to get

1030
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: one with USADA, and USADA said to him, well, we

1031
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: can look into this, but before we do, we need

1032
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: you to exhaust every avenue. We need you to take

1033
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: every first line medication under the sun that will help

1034
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: you with He had a degenerative hand disorders, I think

1035
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: with a muscular degeneration in his hand, and the only

1036
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: thing that helped him in terms of recovery, in terms

1037
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: of being able to compete was was medical cannabis, and

1038
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: so he had to go on antidepressants, things like vicodin,

1039
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: painkillers and all kinds of different things to see if

1040
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: it would help him as much as the medical cannabis did.

1041
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: So he basically became a guinea pig in order to

1042
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: prove that this medicine was going to be able to

1043
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: help him more than other medications. And he worked with

1044
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: Jeff Novisky to try to convince Yousada, who are under

1045
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: the umbrella of WADA, that he should be granted a

1046
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: therapeutic use exemption. So when he was released, he said

1047
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: to me, yeah, I'm not that interested in competing for

1048
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: major promotions and less they're going to be able to

1049
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: do it in jurisdictions that will consider giving me a

1050
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: therapeutic use exemption. So he ended up staying on the

1051
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: regional scene right and working with the commission in British

1052
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: Columbia and then subsequently in Colorado and became the first

1053
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: North American pro athlete to get a therapeutic use exemption

1054
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: in North America, both in Canada and the United States,

1055
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: which was his purpose he wanted and that's going to

1056
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: be his legacy, is helping athletes that are able to

1057
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: benefit from using medical cannabis to help them perform. So

1058
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: he was able to accomplish back in December, his last

1059
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: fight in Colorado, his life's goal, his purpose. And while

1060
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: he unfortunately is no longer with us and is going

1061
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: to miss out on the years of life that so

1062
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: many of us get their experience beyond the age of

1063
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: thirty four, we can at least rest comfortably knowing that

1064
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: he was able to accomplish this one thing that he

1065
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: had his mind set on since being you know, after

1066
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: being not only after being from the UFC, but while

1067
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: he was in the UFC and getting to accomplish that.

1068
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: And I think that that is what he would want

1069
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: to us be talking about today as his legacy.

1070
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 5: It's beautifully put and I can obviously see the emotions

1071
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 5: spilling out of you and yeah, man, you know, he

1072
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 5: got it done. I mean he got it done and

1073
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 5: really had a very good mixed martial arts career as well.

1074
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 5: And you can check out my Instagram story if you

1075
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 5: want to see his last post, well his first post

1076
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 5: fight interview in the UFC when he won the Ultimate Fighter.

1077
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 5: But just a really good dude, and you know, we

1078
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 5: said off the top of the show. I mean just

1079
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 5: such a light like I really don't think he had

1080
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 5: anything amounting to an enemy in mixed martial arts. So

1081
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 5: tremendous legacy, and we will continue to try to keep

1082
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 5: his memory at the forefront, certainly over the next couple

1083
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 5: of weeks at the least. So I don't know if you,

1084
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 5: as a mixed martial arts journalist when you come on

1085
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 5: a podcast like this, expect to be asked about Nate

1086
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 5: Diez or Hoamzat Chimaya first. But the lead for me

1087
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 5: is what do you do with haam zhat Chimaya.

1088
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: You do whatever you can. You get this guy back

1089
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: in the cage.

1090
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: I mean this guy.

1091
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 6: Listen.

1092
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: If you're going to misswait like that seven and a

1093
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: half pounds and walk onto the scale in the brazen

1094
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: fashion that he did. You need to deliver the goods,

1095
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: and he delivered the goods. You know, say what you

1096
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: will about that situation and whether or not he was

1097
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: being a professional. I know that anybody who has competed

1098
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: in mixed martial arts, I'm sure Kenny probably has talked

1099
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: about this ad nauseum so far on the show. You

1100
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: are expected to make weight, like if you're going to

1101
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: be a professional. Even if you're off by a half

1102
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: pound or a pound, it's a little bit more acceptable.

1103
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Seven and a half pounds right in the eyes of

1104
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: anybody who's competed in mixed martial arts or a sport

1105
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: where you need to be on weigh this is borderline unacceptable.

1106
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna missweight by that much, you better perform.

1107
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: And did he ever perform?

1108
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 6: On Saturday night?

1109
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 5: Kenny weighed in twice at one hundred and forty once

1110
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 5: at one hundred and forty five pounds one hundred and

1111
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 5: forty six pounds. So I'm glad like I can talk

1112
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 5: about these situations having not experienced that, you know, because

1113
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 5: Paul Felder has nothing resembling patients for anything like this.

1114
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 5: But Kenny, I do think it's hard. As a former

1115
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 5: fighter who has literally stared death in the face and

1116
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 5: had your brother like being held back to try to

1117
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 5: go save you, you know, I just think it's a

1118
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 5: different sort You're just looking at it through a completely

1119
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 5: different lens than I.

1120
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's tough, And again I think the

1121
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 6: main thing is what's driving you and what's your motivation like,

1122
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 6: And I think Hamzat is absolutely putting in the work,

1123
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 6: and I think that you know, when you when you

1124
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 6: check in usually I don't know if this is the

1125
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 6: way it went down. When you check in on fight week,

1126
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 6: the UFC checks your weight, and I'm sure that's really

1127
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 6: was that That's really what was the concern from the

1128
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 6: UFC and the doctors is he probably came in very,

1129
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 6: very heavy and when they see that, there's obviously gonna

1130
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 6: be that concern and they're going to be watching that guy,

1131
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 6: uh more closely than others. So it's unfortunate all the

1132
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 6: way around. But you know, do you think this is

1133
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 6: something that he's going to be able to bounce back from?

1134
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 6: Is this gonna be uh something that's viewed as a

1135
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 6: part of his legacy because it seems obviously that in MMA,

1136
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 6: you know, people can have short term memories and and

1137
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 6: you know, one fight back and everyone kind of forgets about.

1138
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we sure can, because one month ago we were

1139
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: talking about how Uzulan's gonna beat Leon Edwards and face

1140
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: comes us sham I have after the story's and ats right,

1141
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: look what we're at today. I mean, there is there

1142
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: is there a reason why we have short term memories.

1143
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean because this sport moves at a speed that

1144
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: we can't keep up with at times. Yeah, I think

1145
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: he can bounce back. I mean, listen, people, next time

1146
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: he competes, this will be an afterthought when you're when

1147
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: when you're in it, you're in it in MMA. But

1148
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: think of how much of an afterthought what happened on

1149
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: Thursday backstage was on Friday, it was gone.

1150
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 6: It was yeah, booth gone and into.

1151
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: The stratosphere, the MMA stratosphere, and everybody's talking about. You know,

1152
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: now the UFC has to, you know, shuffle the deck

1153
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: for UFC two seventy nine and John, I'm sure, as

1154
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: somebody who works for the UFC, that's a night there

1155
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: for everybody behind the scenes. I'm sure people are burning

1156
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: the midnight oil overnight getting promo's ready, graphic, that's ready.

1157
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: That's just such a disaster for the promotion to have

1158
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: to go through. So I was, you're a crazy theorist

1159
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: saying that this was all part of the plan.

1160
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, come on, no, I mean they

1161
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 5: literally rushed me back to my room to rewrite and

1162
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 5: revoice the way and intro before I went to try

1163
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 5: to host UFC Live because they needed that voice over

1164
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 5: like yesterday, you know, so, uh yeah, there was a

1165
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 5: lot that was going on there last thing before we

1166
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 5: let you fly, and I'm gonna keep it on hamzat

1167
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 5: Chimaya just in terms of his ability to make the

1168
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 5: weight or moving up to middleweight or what you exactly

1169
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 5: would do? You know, there's no denying his work ethic

1170
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 5: as an athlete. He just doesn't seem to have an appetite,

1171
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 5: no pun intended for making the weight consistently and doesn't

1172
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 5: much care if he pisses his coaches off along the way,

1173
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 5: like that's my read. Yet doesn't want to fight Robert Whittaker,

1174
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 5: who I think makes a shit ton of sense. So

1175
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 5: what would you do with Hamza Chimaya from a matchmaking perspective?

1176
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 5: And would you give him a chance, you know to

1177
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 5: make seventy in his next five Why.

1178
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: Is nobody talking about Bala Mohammed versus Sean Brady, Like

1179
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: is this not the obvious answer that yeah, these guys

1180
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: the Welsh away title picture. If you if if Shamaiah

1181
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: wants to stay at one hundred and sevent pounds and

1182
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: prove that he can be the champion of the world

1183
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: at welshweight, give him one more shot to make the weight.

1184
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: Put him against the next guy in line, and let's go.

1185
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: I mean, the Winkers thing. I think from a competitive standpoint,

1186
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: that's probably the toughest opponent that you could give him.

1187
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Right now, that's not a champion, right, No disrespect to

1188
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: Brady and and but I mean I think that the

1189
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: Winnaker fight would be an interesting one. But I mean

1190
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: the answer I think is just staring us right in

1191
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: the face that this fight's happening in the Yeah, it's

1192
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 1: happening in a month's time. Like, let's let's just pump

1193
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: the brake. See what happens now. One Blaloh Mohammed has

1194
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: expressed interest in facing Shamaia in the past. I don't

1195
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: know what Sean Brady's dances on it. I'm sure he's

1196
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: his game. I mean, he's a gamer, so I'm sure

1197
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: that that's fine. But those guys are both buying to

1198
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: get into the title picture. And Shamaia is he said

1199
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: it at the post by press conference. If not me,

1200
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: who else? I mean, Colby's lost twice, has lost twice.

1201
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: I think that Shamaia is the next obvious answer for

1202
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: who should face the winner of Leon versus Usman but

1203
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: if he is coming off of a weight miss, I

1204
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: think he needs to prove that that was an anomaly.

1205
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, No, I think that makes a lot of sense.

1206
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 5: It's very interesting because he has been discouraged from competing

1207
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 5: regularly on short notice up at eighty five by his

1208
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 5: coaches because they want him to be of a singular

1209
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 5: mind and have clear intentions on the UFC weltzweight title.

1210
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 5: But I don't know. I mean, I looked at him

1211
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 5: leading up to this fight and it was like, he

1212
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 5: looks like he's adding muscle mass. He looks like an

1213
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 5: absolute monster, and he certainly doesn't look like a welterweight

1214
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 5: at times. But the most dominant force in the game

1215
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 5: for me, also a dominant force in the game. Aaron

1216
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 5: Bronstead or find him on social media. Hey, thanks for

1217
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 5: hopping on, man, and you know we'll be mourning with

1218
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 5: you the loss of Alias Theodore. We appreciate your time

1219
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 5: as always, sir.

1220
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 4: Thanks.

1221
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys for having me on and give

1222
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: me the opportunity to talk about Elias. He's just like

1223
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: you said, he was just a bright light smile of

1224
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: the lit uper room. And I'm still I'm still rattled. Man,

1225
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: I just can't get over it.

1226
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to me.

1227
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 5: Very gracious to join us, buddy, We'll talk to you

1228
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks.

1229
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you.

1230
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 5: All right there he is tsn MM A reporter, Aaron Bromstetter.

1231
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 5: You know, I'll be criticized for Michi may have take.

1232
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 5: I'm sure, and that is fine. You know, I've been

1233
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 5: pretty critical over the last forty five minutes. I do

1234
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 5: think at times there could be some selective listening going on.

1235
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 6: You know.

1236
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 5: I'm not pardoning the weight cut or miss I should say,

1237
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 5: you know, and I'm trying to impart a lot of

1238
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 5: the information that was presented to me leading up to

1239
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 5: the fight. So it is what it is now. Joining us, though,

1240
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 5: is a guy who I don't think ever missed weight

1241
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 5: in his entire career. Look at handsome Dde Thomas. Give

1242
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 5: him that center of that screen. What's up?

1243
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 8: Man?

1244
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: I wish I miss weight when I was supposed to

1245
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: fight Kenny Stop stop when he got my hand bounced

1246
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: up off that canvas.

1247
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 5: Look how good you look without makeup?

1248
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 4: Man?

1249
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 5: On a Monday morning.

1250
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 9: You don't even I just woke up, brother, So you

1251
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 9: know what I'm saying, listen, black dome crack though.

1252
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 5: That's all good, right, are you really like if there

1253
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 5: was not white in your beard, I would say away

1254
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 5: with being like twenty eight twenty nine. So, man, a

1255
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 5: lot to digest from the weekend. I know you heard

1256
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 5: some of what we had to say about Kamzatschimaya. I'm

1257
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 5: just dying to know what you think about how they

1258
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 5: move forward with him, and what you think of the

1259
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 5: performance too, because you've seen them all.

1260
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 9: I mean the performance, let's speak on on that first.

1261
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 9: I mean, it was flawless. I mean, he didn't take

1262
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 9: a punch. He shot in as fast as anyone I've

1263
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 9: ever seen shoot. He got him down, he cut through

1264
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 9: his guard like hot knife through butter, and then he

1265
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 9: submitted him. So like, you can't really get any better

1266
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 9: than a performance like that, But I think they're going

1267
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 9: to give him a chance.

1268
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: You know, the UFC. I heard you guys talk about

1269
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: short memory, and the UFC has a very short.

1270
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 9: Memory as well, and that really kind of relies on

1271
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 9: the short memory of the fans, and the fans have

1272
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 9: a really really short memory. And the one thing I've

1273
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 9: learned in this game is that winning solves everything, and

1274
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 9: that when you win, you can get away with almost anything.

1275
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 6: Dean, I don't know how much it's information you have

1276
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 6: on the cut or what happened and all that stuff.

1277
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 6: But if you're his coach and you've been around the

1278
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 6: game for a long time, both as a fighter as

1279
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 6: a coach, what would you tell Hamza to do? Do

1280
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 6: you keep him at one hundred and seventy pounds obviously

1281
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 6: a ton of big money fights there, or do you say, hey,

1282
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 6: let's let's scrap that, Let's push you one hundred and

1283
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 6: eighty five pounds for your next one and maybe for

1284
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 6: the foreseeable future.

1285
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: Well, I would like as his.

1286
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 9: Coach, I would have to see where I thought he

1287
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 9: had the best chances of winning, because when you deal

1288
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 9: with a guy like Hamzatt, you know he's a wild

1289
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 9: card and he's undisciplined in every aspect of the game.

1290
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: So it's probably not just weight cutting.

1291
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 9: And he reminds me of those guys that come into

1292
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 9: the gym that are like that are super talented, but

1293
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 9: they never make it.

1294
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: That's what he reminds me of.

1295
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 9: But he's but he's already made it, and I feel

1296
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 9: as though he's gonna self sabotage himself in some way

1297
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 9: to where he doesn't become champion because he doesn't have

1298
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 9: that type of discipline. So if I'm his coach, I

1299
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 9: try to figure out what the best weight class is

1300
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 9: for him and just say, all right, this is our

1301
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 9: best chance of winning a title.

1302
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: Let's see if we can get this done. Just stay

1303
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: focused for six months and let's just try to get

1304
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: the title right.

1305
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 5: You know, I think that was a great bit of

1306
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 5: analysis from you, and I love that you've stayed critical

1307
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 5: throughout your broadcasting career and I commend you for that.

1308
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 5: But when you say that he's undisciplined in every phase

1309
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 5: of the game, I have no choice but to go

1310
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 5: back at you a little bit. I can't speak to

1311
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 5: the nutrition in certain elements, but he's obsessed with martial arts.

1312
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 5: I mean, he is the hardest worker in the room.

1313
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 5: And that's not coming from just one or two sources.

1314
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 5: You know, they can't even find bodies in the weight

1315
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 5: class to train with the guy. So what do you

1316
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 5: think is the lack of focus? Just the championship type focus,

1317
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 5: like everything that encompasses being a world champion. Because as

1318
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 5: far as the training and the martial arts. You know,

1319
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 5: he's all in all.

1320
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 9: See, now we're talking about different things. I'm not saying

1321
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 9: he's not passionate. I believe he's really passionate about fighting.

1322
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 9: I believe he loves to fight. I believe he's and

1323
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 9: he's very good at what he loves to do, and

1324
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 9: that's fighting. I believe he loves beating people up and

1325
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 9: he's very good at that. But in terms, but he's

1326
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 9: also a fighter. So I believe that he doesn't want

1327
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 9: no one telling them what to do. He doesn't want

1328
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 9: nobody telling him how to.

1329
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: Live his life.

1330
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 9: And that's but that's not inconsistent with fighters. A lot

1331
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 9: of fighters are like that. They're just not as good

1332
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 9: as hams at so it gets swept under the table.

1333
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 9: So most fighters are kind of like that, they're just

1334
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 9: not as good as him. If other fighters could get

1335
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 9: away with it, they would, But he can get away

1336
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 9: with it because he is so good.

1337
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 6: Right, how do you reconcile that team? Because obviously you

1338
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 6: know a ton of talent that the dude could be

1339
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 6: a world champion in two different weight classes if he

1340
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 6: wanted to. It seems at this stage of the game.

1341
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 6: Can you get inside a fighter's head that way, and

1342
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 6: if you can, what do you say to that guy

1343
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 6: to kind of turn things around?

1344
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 9: Well, two things. There's only two things that I've seen

1345
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 9: do it, and that is just one. Best case scenario

1346
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 9: is that maturity happens, like he gets mature. Who don't knows,

1347
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 9: maybe he has a baby or something, but whatever it is, gonna,

1348
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 9: whatever it is, is gonna allow him to be mature

1349
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 9: and to look at this as.

1350
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: A job and a career.

1351
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 9: The nets one, yeah, the other is a loss or

1352
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 9: losing like a losing streak. But sometimes a losing streak

1353
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 9: you they lose the passion for the game and then

1354
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 9: they're never the same. So hopefully Hamzakkud can just gain

1355
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 9: that maturity in some way to where he doesn't have

1356
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 9: to take a loss.

1357
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 5: I wonder what I would recommend, a loss or a

1358
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 5: baby like I actually think I would recommend a loss

1359
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 5: and not a baby and.

1360
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: Not a baby, right, poor baby, right though.

1361
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 5: Because for a lot of us, certainly even non fighters,

1362
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 5: I think that's a very valuable thing, right, that could

1363
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 5: certainly center him. I did think it was interesting that

1364
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 5: he was asked about Robert Whitaker, which you can argue

1365
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 5: in these two divisions, is the worst matchup or the

1366
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 5: toughest matchup for him and Hamzat. Chimaiya went very quickly

1367
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 5: from being the I'll smash everybody guy to saying that

1368
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 5: he wants to train with Whitaker and that he likes him.

1369
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 5: You know, didn't necessarily narrative, you know.

1370
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's you know what. That's a little yeah,

1371
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 9: you know, I mean that's telling right, there, isn't it.

1372
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 9: You know, I'll smash everybody. Oh no, I like that

1373
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 9: guy that.

1374
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 5: So uh so Kolby Covington doesn't have a fight, you know,

1375
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 5: Sean Brady and Balao Muhammad. Aaron Bronstetter was just on.

1376
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 5: He says the winner of that fight should fight Chimaya.

1377
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 5: But last thing on him before we sort of move

1378
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 5: on to Nate and some other things. Promotionally, would you

1379
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 5: give Chimaya a chance to make welterweight in his next

1380
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 5: fight and give him one of those top guys?

1381
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 9: I would I would give him. I think Aaron was right.

1382
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 9: I think you give him the winner of the law

1383
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 9: and Sean Brady. You give him an opportunity to make

1384
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 9: the weight. But obviously the UFC is going to have

1385
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 9: to do a I don't want to say a better job,

1386
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 9: but maybe have somebody on it, you know, throughout camp

1387
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 9: to monitor that.

1388
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: But you do give him another chance.

1389
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, he did come in lighter this time around relative

1390
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 5: to his previous fight, but I guess that's neither here

1391
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 5: nor there. And I'm sure when I say that a

1392
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 5: lot of people that falls on deaf ears. So we

1393
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 5: were trying to put Nate Diaz's career into context on

1394
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 5: the post fight show and also here pretty impressive, man,

1395
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 5: Like if you're a prize fighter trying to make money.

1396
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 5: I know he didn't realize a world title. He did

1397
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 5: get a chance to fight for it, you know, about

1398
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 5: ten years ago. But you know, as far as career

1399
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 5: success in the UFC, there aren't many who've done it

1400
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 5: better than eight Diaz.

1401
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 6: What do you think about all that?

1402
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I love it.

1403
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 9: I love when a fighter can come in and have

1404
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 9: the type of career that he's had. Like if a

1405
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 9: fighter comes in and has a career for over five years,

1406
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 9: I'm like, all right, man, you did good. Because it's

1407
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 9: a hard game to do, it's a hard lifetle. It's

1408
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 9: very difficult, and for him to come in and not

1409
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 9: only come in and have the career that he's had,

1410
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 9: but to go out the way he's had. No one

1411
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 9: has went out as beautifully as he has, as on

1412
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 9: his own terms as he has. The only other person

1413
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 9: I could think of is when Chris Leitele beat Dan Hardy.

1414
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 2: And went out there.

1415
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 9: But that compared, that pales in comparison to the way

1416
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 9: Nate went out, especially when they were intentionally trying to

1417
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 9: stack the odds against.

1418
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: Him, and he defeated the odds and still go move

1419
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 2: out on.

1420
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 5: His own terms, right, And he's want to know against

1421
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 5: kam Zat Chimayav right because Chimaiv couldn't make it to

1422
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 5: the funny exactly.

1423
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's want to know. That's what Nate DIA's fans

1424
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: would say.

1425
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 6: Anyway, Hey, did did do you think? Do you think

1426
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 6: we see Nate Diez back in the UFC or do

1427
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 6: you think he's going to kind of go out and

1428
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 6: do his own thing? He says he's halfway there, He's

1429
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 6: still got a lot more to give. I don't know

1430
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 6: how many more fights he has or wants to do.

1431
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 6: But what's your what are your thoughts on that?

1432
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 9: I don't think so, man, I mean he's starting his

1433
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 9: own promotion apparently, which is probably probably not going to

1434
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 9: do after a while, you know.

1435
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you think Nadine has had like a.

1436
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 9: Talk about discipline. You think he has a discipline to

1437
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 9: really like put a show together. I mean, I'm not

1438
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 9: I'm trying not to hate, but I just you know,

1439
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 9: it's gonna be tough, you know how it is to

1440
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 9: throw shows.

1441
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: But I think they lives a good life. Man. I

1442
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 2: think he gets done with this and just lives a

1443
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 2: good life. You know, he'll probably box Jake Paul and

1444
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 2: you can quote me on this.

1445
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 9: I have a feeling that he's gonna step in for

1446
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 9: Anderson Silva on the twenty ninth.

1447
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: Wow. So that's my that's my prediction.

1448
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 9: And I think he fights Jake Paul and then I

1449
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 9: think he just rides out into the sunset, showing up

1450
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 9: at shows.

1451
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 2: And smoking a blunt and just being a fan favor

1452
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 2: being a good dude.

1453
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 4: That's right.

1454
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 5: I like that, man. That absolutely could happen here seven

1455
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 5: or eight weeks from now. So we got a couple

1456
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 5: more minutes here with the coach Dean Thomas tremendous addition

1457
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 5: to UH to the UFC broadcast, team. The media mogul

1458
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 5: Dean Thomas can also be heard down here in South

1459
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 5: Florida on the radio. So Ji Yilton Almeta, Right, Like,

1460
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 5: we talk about these prospects, and I say, you know,

1461
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 5: every now and again a guy comes along that captures

1462
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 5: the attention of the entire sport. And I'm not sure

1463
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 5: why it took Jaelton al Mada this long to get

1464
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 5: to the UFC. And I'm not suggesting there aren't guys

1465
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 5: who are long and fast, real good strikers, Dominic Reyes

1466
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 5: types that could immediately give him a real problem. But

1467
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 5: I look at Almeida at light heavyweight as a guy

1468
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 5: who is ready to fight all of these guys and

1469
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 5: these top matchups right now. He's a real BJJ black

1470
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,919
Speaker 5: belt keemplo. What do you think, Dean Thomas about Jaiyelton

1471
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 5: now Mada the performance and ultimately you know his future

1472
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:34,879
Speaker 5: in one or two divisions.

1473
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 9: You know, he's he's got all the intangibles. He's he

1474
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 9: looks great, like physically a specimen. The problem with him

1475
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 9: and he's he's a character too, but we don't have

1476
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 9: an opportunity to see it because he doesn't speak English.

1477
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 9: So that's a problem, and the fact that he doesn't

1478
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 9: speak English and he's a jiu jitsu guy. The way

1479
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 9: he's fighting kind of presents a problem for him and

1480
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 9: puts him at a stalemate. Now, if he's a striker

1481
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 9: and speak English, that doesn't matter because we can all

1482
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 9: relate to knockouts, but the way he's beating guys systematically

1483
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 9: and doing it with ease and effortlessness, it just kind

1484
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 9: of presents a stalemate for him in terms of popularities,

1485
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 9: which makes it harder to sell them.

1486
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 2: But I do believe that again, winning solves everything. He's

1487
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: going to continue to win.

1488
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 9: He's going to continue to move up, and I think

1489
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 9: that they're going to allow his character to show a

1490
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 9: little bit more because apparently he is quite the character.

1491
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: He comes from that region of Brazil where it's just

1492
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: all party.

1493
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 5: It's so interesting that you say that, And Kenny Dean

1494
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 5: and I talked a little bit about him. He's so smart, right,

1495
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 5: Some of these guys you can tell when they're getting interpreted,

1496
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 5: like Davidson Figuretto, who Dean told me is like a

1497
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 5: renaissance man, you know. But like when Jaielta al Mata

1498
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 5: gets interpreted. I mean, he's the most thoughtful dude in

1499
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 5: the world. He's a gentle dude. And I almost asked

1500
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 5: him in the fighter meeting, like, hey, man, like you

1501
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 5: think you want to go like Junior dos Santos route,

1502
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 5: because if you learn this language, man, you could be

1503
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 5: a star. But if you go to Jose Aldo route,

1504
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 5: not everybody can be the King of Rio, you know.

1505
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, and not only that, but like if

1506
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 9: he like, he's not like he's got to knock guys

1507
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 9: out if he wants to go that route.

1508
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: And I mean Jose did it, but it took Jose

1509
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 2: ten years to get love.

1510
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean you gotta do like the.

1511
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 9: Only person who's done it without speaking English is Alex Paheda,

1512
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 9: but he knocking.

1513
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 2: People out, So you got to knock people out or

1514
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: speak the language.

1515
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 6: All right.

1516
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 5: Last thing for me before we let you go. The

1517
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 5: hardest thing for me is uh is seeing fighters after

1518
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 5: these close fights just so dejected. A guy like Darien

1519
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 5: Weeks it was the first fight of the night. You know,

1520
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 5: he falls to zero and three in the UFC, loses

1521
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 5: a split that the masses really thought he won. So

1522
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 5: I'm walking back to my hotel room in whatever condition, right,

1523
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 5: And first I see Darien Weeks and it's like, oh, man,

1524
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 5: feel so bad for the guy. And then I see

1525
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 5: Tony Ferguson's wife and I'm like, man, I just gotta

1526
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 5: like keep my head down and get to the hotel room.

1527
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 5: But I bring it up in the contest of the

1528
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 5: Leech Lee Jing Lyong, who falls to Daniel Rodriguez by

1529
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 5: split decision, because you know the leech up and you know,

1530
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 5: I'm sure he was more than willing when he got

1531
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 5: that first phone call. Hopefully he got some more money.

1532
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 5: But fighting a guy who's ten pounds heavier, you feel

1533
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 5: like you beat him. Everybody seemingly in the NMA stratosphere

1534
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 5: feels like you beat d Rod And then you're on

1535
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 5: the wrong end of a split so you know the

1536
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 5: Leach is gonna make some money. I'm not sure that

1537
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 5: this sting's too bad in terms of like contendership, but uh,

1538
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I'm feeling for the leach here

1539
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 5: on a Monday, bro.

1540
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 2: I tell you what, Man, I felt really bad for

1541
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 2: him all weekend.

1542
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 9: I mean, when you think about his career, like how

1543
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 9: many times he's had to take it for the team.

1544
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 9: You know, like he he's the one who really put

1545
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 9: jamaiav on the mat. You know what I'm saying, Like the.

1546
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 6: Sadest about it, the saddest part about a team. He

1547
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 6: never got a chance to show that suit. He never

1548
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 6: got no suit.

1549
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 10: He was.

1550
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: He was so excited to walk out there. And then

1551
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 2: the way they the way they ushered him back, They like,

1552
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: all right, come on, man, let's go. It was hilarious.

1553
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 2: Speaking of speaking of the outfice, look at you look,

1554
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: take out the shirt. But nah, man, you're right the

1555
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: leach he he took. We took one for the team.

1556
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 2: But what I do believe is that, you know, good.

1557
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 9: Guys don't always finish last. I mean, right now, it

1558
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 9: seems like it, but I do believe that at the

1559
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 9: end of the day, the UFC is gonna take care

1560
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 9: of him, and they're gonna remember all this.

1561
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 6: Dana.

1562
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 2: You know, Dana will remember this and be like, all right, man,

1563
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 2: you know what, let's let's hook him up. We're gonna

1564
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: give him. We're gonna give him a couple layups. And

1565
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 2: I think I think that'll happen.

1566
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll get a good matchup at the very least,

1567
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 5: even if it is somebody in that top fifteen, which

1568
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 5: he deserves, and uh, you know, maybe he'll get Vicente Luke.

1569
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 5: I think that's the fight that a lot of people

1570
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 5: have been calling for, and that would be you know,

1571
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 5: six or seven slots I believe, up above his ranking.

1572
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 5: You know, I mean, you could certainly give the Leech

1573
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 5: wonder boy as well, but his he's basically staying in

1574
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 5: the US, away from his family all year to get

1575
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 5: a third right in and uh, you know, I just

1576
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 5: have so much respect for it.

1577
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 9: Well, see, like you you say, you say, Luke, I'm

1578
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 9: hoping that he gets Like really, I'm hoping he got

1579
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 9: damn Punk And then I don't.

1580
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 5: But I guess, I mean, I'm not to go. But

1581
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 5: like he says, this is such a critical stage of

1582
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 5: his career and it's all about intending that. I just

1583
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 5: don't know that because there's inherent risk in all, Like

1584
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't. I guess I'm not thinking of

1585
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 5: the name. I understand give him an easy fight, a

1586
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 5: bly bonus winning type of fight, but I don't know,

1587
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 5: Like I think he has a great chance against Luka

1588
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 5: and that you know, yeah he does, but U.

1589
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, hoping the best for him though.

1590
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 9: Either way, You're right like I'm hoping did he get

1591
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 9: the easy fight and then a good fight in terms

1592
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 9: of moving him.

1593
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 2: Up the ranking.

1594
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 5: I'm not saying the wonder Boy fights to picnic for

1595
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 5: him by the way at all. No, no, and talk

1596
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 5: about a guy who transcends languages the Leech's legion meon.

1597
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 5: All right, Dean, last thing I have for you today,

1598
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 5: just in terms of your fighting career. You know, I

1599
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 5: do find it interesting sometimes people lose sight of the

1600
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 5: fact that Dean Thomas had this UFC career because it

1601
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 5: happened a long time ago. We deal with it with

1602
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 5: Ken Flow a little bit too. You know, we have

1603
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 5: listeners coming to the show every day that don't understand,

1604
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 5: you know, the type of things that he did to

1605
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 5: men like Lake Weed and Joe Lo's onner, the fact

1606
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 5: that he fought for the world title three times. But

1607
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 5: in terms of your mixed martial arts career, what is

1608
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 5: like the best moment for you? Like if I was

1609
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 5: to go to UFC Fight Pass and watch one Dean

1610
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 5: Thomas fight, I'll go to YouTube and look for one

1611
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 5: Dean Thomas regional fight.

1612
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 4: What is it?

1613
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: Would probably have to be UFC seventy one.

1614
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 9: When I thought Jeremy Stevenson because I want a bonus,

1615
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying. That's when they just started

1616
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 9: giving out bonuses and I got a submission of a

1617
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 9: night bonus, so like, and I got a lexus off

1618
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 9: of that too, So I was like, I gotta I

1619
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 9: gotta give a shout out to uh that that moment.

1620
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 5: Well, we'll check that out on UFC Fight Pass and

1621
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 5: appreciate everything that you're doing, my man. For more, it's

1622
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 5: at Dean Thomas on social media. That is spelled d

1623
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 5: I N you have yourself a great, great day and

1624
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 5: a better evening and uh we will see you soon

1625
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 5: on the Oh you got Jillian robertson this weekend.

1626
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 9: Jillian robertson this weekend, and I'm working the desk. I'm

1627
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 9: pulling double duty.

1628
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, just lying in the pockets.

1629
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 6: I mean.

1630
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 5: To like something else.

1631
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 6: Dean, you're killing it man. You know, it's it's really

1632
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 6: difficult to be to have sharp analysis, to be concise,

1633
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 6: and to pass on the experience and knowledge that you

1634
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 6: have in a short amount of time. You're you're doing that.

1635
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 6: You're doing a tremendous job. You've been a natural at it, man,

1636
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 6: real happy for you.

1637
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: Man, thank you, man, I appreciate that for sure.

1638
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 4: Man.

1639
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 5: Hey, Jillian's got Sarah McMahon. Right, it's a freelim. That's

1640
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 5: a big fight though.

1641
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:34,480
Speaker 2: Right now she's fighting Mashka Maria Agapoba.

1642
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 5: Oh, Maria Agapova.

1643
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 9: I'm a how we call it agapo but that's the

1644
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 9: way you used to call her a top team apol.

1645
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 5: She's got wild She is a wild man. She's a

1646
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 5: wild woman.

1647
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, she sure is. We I mean we've trained with

1648
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 2: her a lot, so like we know what to expect.

1649
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 5: All right, man, Well stay handsome, we'll we'll talk to

1650
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 5: you soon.

1651
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 6: All right.

1652
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 4: I love you guys.

1653
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna catch up with y'all.

1654
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 5: Here on the ane, imploring Podcas. Yes, it's tricky too

1655
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 5: in that coach's role, because as far as I'm concerned,

1656
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 5: you could give him a hot mic for the whole

1657
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 5: fight and there would be tremendous value. But sometimes, you know,

1658
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 5: he'll say to the truck, I'm ready, and the moment

1659
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 5: can pass because the sport moves so quick, right you know.

1660
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 6: So right now he's doing great, man, he really has

1661
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 6: been a great addition.

1662
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, it is now time to spin it forward.

1663
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 5: I feel like we got to just talk about her

1664
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 5: right now, Donna. We can do that with Brian Petrie

1665
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 5: though that fucking liver kick with her heel. But we

1666
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 5: got to spin it forward. Let's get to the pronunciation

1667
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 5: of the week. We got a UFC fight night coming

1668
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 5: up this weekend. It is Build sand Haagen versus song

1669
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 5: as we call on Cody Marrow for our pronunciation of

1670
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 5: the week. What's up, brother, how's it going?

1671
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 10: How's it going quick? So a line on that, We're

1672
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 10: not going to pick it. Gillian Roberts is a minus

1673
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 10: one fifty favorite. All right, it seems like you know,

1674
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 10: Dean Tom's got a little inside inpo there on a

1675
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 10: gob of us. So maybe some value there for your

1676
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 10: value boys, Brian Petree.

1677
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, quite possibly. Roger Crawl though in the other corner

1678
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 5: with Maria Agoppo us so you never know, all right.

1679
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 5: Pronunciation of the week. This man fights Gregory Rodriguez live

1680
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 5: on ESPN Plus this weekend. He is also a guy

1681
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 5: who it took twenty eight fights to get to the UFC,

1682
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 5: and then in his first five minutes and four seconds

1683
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 5: in the octagon, he's produced two sensational knockouts, not t

1684
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 5: Ko's Ko's and two bonuses as well, Cody Marrow, of

1685
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 5: whom am I speaking?

1686
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 10: Well, Hey, every man has had a good five minute

1687
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 10: performance out there, So if to get two of them

1688
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 10: in in five minutes, I mean, that's all the time.

1689
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 10: But I believe the man you're speaking of is Chitty

1690
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 10: in Jakwani.

1691
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 2: Him, Cheaty in Jokowani, Cheaty, Cheaty bang bang in Jokowani.

1692
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 5: All right, so you actually got both names wrong. But

1693
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 5: part of the reason I play that file and we're

1694
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,879
Speaker 5: gonna hear it again, Ken Flow, how about the fucking

1695
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 5: vocals on Cheaty and Joe Kuwani? Bro, how about his voice?

1696
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 5: Like the first time I met him, I was like, Bro,

1697
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 5: I'm a broadcaster. Let's trade voices. I mean, listen to

1698
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 5: these fucking pipes once more, Cheaty and.

1699
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 2: Joe Wow, Cheaty, Cheaty bang bang and Joe Kiwani.

1700
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 10: Damn kind of got like an ind just elbow vibe

1701
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:15,799
Speaker 10: to him.

1702
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, not shitty cheaty and five syllables on

1703
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 5: the last name the emphasized and Joe two and four, Yeah,

1704
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 5: two and four it's a weird one. Yeah, No, you're right,

1705
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 5: and Joe Kuwani. But the the most pronounced syllable, if

1706
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 5: you will, is is number four and Joe Ah. Thanks Cody.

1707
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 5: We'll talk to you later for the marrow seconds. Right, Yes,

1708
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 5: it is now time for the main Event Challenge and

1709
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 5: so much more as we welcome on our guy handicapper

1710
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 5: to the stars, Big Gun Brian Petrie, who's gonna help

1711
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 5: us talk about some of these other performances at UFC

1712
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 5: two seven nine before sprinted forward. Hi A, so thanks

1713
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 5: thanks for stepping up and doing the episode with Ken

1714
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 5: Flowers was fun. I do want to catch that retroactively.

1715
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 8: Uh.

1716
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 5: These guys gave their predictions when the card was rebooked

1717
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 5: late Thursday, Friday, whatever it was, so you can check

1718
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 5: that out. You just heard us talk about her rain

1719
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 5: Al Donna, and I love her ability to mentally like

1720
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 5: stay in fights when they're not going well, even in

1721
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 5: her previous fight against the Ana Kunitski, as she was

1722
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 5: getting pieced up a little bit and then she knocks

1723
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 5: her out. I know it was a one round fight,

1724
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 5: but uh, this had never happened before in UFC history.

1725
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 5: Nobody had never won a fight with an upkick to

1726
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,839
Speaker 5: the body. Your thoughts on a rain Al Danna.

1727
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was surprised. I was like, what happened?

1728
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: Like what you guys were?

1729
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 3: I saw the upkick and I'm like what happened? And

1730
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 3: the replay went, oh okay. That is devastating. She saved

1731
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 3: my night. I had her by knockout. Amazing fight. I

1732
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 3: thought she maybe warranted a ten eight in that first

1733
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 3: round was very close. She dominated, I mean very close

1734
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 3: with tenn eight. The second round, Macy comes out and goes,

1735
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 3: you know what, fuck that, I'm gonna come out and

1736
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 3: I'm not giving up either. So you're one one headed

1737
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 3: into the third, and uh yeah.

1738
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 6: I love that.

1739
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 3: And I love that she came out and said that

1740
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 3: she trains at like that's something that she trains because

1741
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 3: of something we've never seen before. But I mean, man,

1742
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 3: you guys were talking about body shots last week. The

1743
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 3: only time I've ever been hurt in the gym was

1744
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 3: to a body shot to the liver, So I can't

1745
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 3: even imagine a heel to the liver like that. It

1746
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:18,520
Speaker 3: is devastating.

1747
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 6: Two things for me.

1748
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 4: You know.

1749
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 6: First of all, where did that ground game from Aldonna

1750
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 6: come from? I mean, she showed crazy improvements on the ground.

1751
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 6: I was blown away. How comfortable and how technical she

1752
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 6: looked at times. I was really impressed. And then number two,

1753
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 6: here's what's gonna happen. Every MMA fighter today it's Monday,

1754
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 6: is gonna be working that shot to the body and

1755
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 6: you end up putting her back. And that that's the

1756
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 6: side of a cool technique, a technique that you kind

1757
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 6: of maybe didn't think of that now everyone's going to

1758
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 6: be trying to pull off if they can. I thought,

1759
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:49,839
Speaker 6: I thought it was brilliant.

1760
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 3: It is just because people go they come in sideways

1761
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 3: with so they can't hit to the head. Yeah, the

1762
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 3: body's available, it's perfect.

1763
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 5: So I just grabbed my on a ren al Donna

1764
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 5: Ken flow. And not that it's anything groundbreaking, but it

1765
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 5: just says that she has a ton of jiu jitsu

1766
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 5: competition and willingness, right, So she's always competed in jiu jitsu.

1767
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 5: She fought for the Jungle Fight title in Bulaying in

1768
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen, you know, in what was like her fourth

1769
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 5: pro fight or something, you know. So she's just a

1770
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,560
Speaker 5: willing martial artist. And I do know in terms of

1771
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 5: like the jiu jitsu maintenance at that gym, like they

1772
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 5: really do work. And obviously because it's been a perceived hole,

1773
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 5: so huge result for all Donna, and I can tell

1774
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 5: you she was closer to Wait than Macy Shassan, you know,

1775
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 5: so she deserved that. All right, crazy crazy, crazy crazy weekend.

1776
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 5: Before we wrap it up, I just need your two

1777
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 5: cents on Kamza Chimaya what you would do with him

1778
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 5: moving forward, and then we'll get to the picks.

1779
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I see.

1780
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 3: I mean he's a star. And what do you do

1781
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 3: with Kevin Holland shouldn't go overlooked? You miss Wait by

1782
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 3: that much and then you seemingly, at least to to public,

1783
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 3: act like you don't care, like you know most guys

1784
01:21:58,439 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 3: when they Misswait. I'm so sorry.

1785
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 5: You know, it is what it is.

1786
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 3: He walks off and kind of like you know, yo

1787
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 3: chesnia and gives some birds and was like, oh, that's

1788
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 3: not that bad. So I perceive it as maybe he

1789
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 3: didn't care and didn't try, and then luckily the UFC

1790
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 3: shuffled everything around. It was a great card, but I

1791
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 3: mean that could have tanked this card, which you know,

1792
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 3: that was the main event. That's what people showed up

1793
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 3: for me, Nathane is the story they want to see

1794
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 3: you to mile that could have taked this car. Thankfully

1795
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 3: Tony and all these other guys stepped up. But I mean,

1796
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 3: I think you should give him a shot at seventy.

1797
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 3: I don't think. I mean, Colby Coventon is a fight

1798
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 3: that everyone's talking about. I love that fight. Give him

1799
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 3: another shot at seventy. If he does it again, then

1800
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 3: you know, kind of pull the rug like they would

1801
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 3: do with Suhudo. You guys, remember Suhudo couldn't make going

1802
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 3: twenty five and they were like, you got to go

1803
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: up to thirty five, and then he finally got his

1804
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 3: shit together.

1805
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Kevin Holland. The more

1806
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 5: I think about it, I mean, certainly the leech deserves

1807
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 5: a ton of credit, but Kevin Holland, seemingly Kenny would

1808
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 5: have had the power to like blow this whole thing up.

1809
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 5: I mean, Nate Diaz and Tony Ferguson obviously you needed

1810
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,480
Speaker 5: to get that main event done and figured that monetarily

1811
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 5: that would maybe be the way to do so. But

1812
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 5: Kevin Holland wanted a man event, and he wanted five

1813
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 5: rounds against Kamzat Chimai. If he got the five rounds,

1814
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 5: he didn't get the main event. But I suppose you

1815
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 5: could have gone like Chimayev and d Rod, but foundationally

1816
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 5: there was nothing that built that fight. At least she

1817
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 5: had the dust stuff between Holland and Shemayev. I hope

1818
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 5: Kevin Holland got paid.

1819
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, he definitely took a big risk in

1820
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 6: taking that fight. The fact that he asked for five rounds,

1821
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 6: you know, shows what kind of fighter. But that yeah,

1822
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 6: all right, let us get to the picks.

1823
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 5: UFC Fight Night, your main event, the vandamweights, Cory Sanhagen

1824
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 5: and Song You Dong live wall to Wall on ESPN Plus. Now,

1825
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 5: Sadik Yusuf was to face Giga chi Kadse and the

1826
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 5: co main event, but unless some news has broken since

1827
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 5: we got on the air, Chikadse is out. They're still

1828
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 5: trying to find a possible replacement for Sadik. As such,

1829
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 5: we just have three main card selections for you today.

1830
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 5: We will begin in that division, just another fight at Featherway.

1831
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 5: Andre Fieldy minus won twenty bill algo even money plus

1832
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 5: one hundred, as they say in modern day circles. But

1833
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 5: when you're born in the nineteen seventies, that's a fuck

1834
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 5: and even money Underdog nineteenth UFC appearance for Andre Peeley,

1835
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 5: almost ten years on the roster. Now he actually fought

1836
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 5: to Decusa back in twenty twenty. Philly kind of Brian

1837
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 5: underappreciates his own UFC body of work. There have been

1838
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 5: big wins, but he doesn't like the nine to eight

1839
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 5: with a no contest in the UFC, he is winless

1840
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 5: spanning his last three, just one win in his last five.

1841
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 5: Algao on the the other side, making a quick turn,

1842
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 5: he has some momentum. Your thoughts on this one, Yeah.

1843
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: First of all, this is a great card. I think

1844
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 3: people are sleeping on this car. This is a really

1845
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 3: good card. I know it's not the biggest name value card,

1846
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 3: but there are spots on this card. I think every

1847
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 3: fight is good at potential, banger, great, great card as

1848
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 3: this fight.

1849
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 6: Listen, Philly.

1850
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 3: He's been around for a while and I like him

1851
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 3: and I've backed him, and I've lost money on him

1852
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 3: and I have won money on him, and it's just

1853
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 3: a little inconsistent. I love how really keeps it too.

1854
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 3: When he got caught. I just just saw some in

1855
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 3: Brito's last fight. I I got cop. You know, everyone's like,

1856
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 3: oh early stoppage. He's like, no, the guy clubed me.

1857
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 6: I got caught. It is what it is.

1858
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 3: I like how really keeps to himself and he's got

1859
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 3: really good skills. He matches with Bill Algo and Algio

1860
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 3: is similar to Andre Phelly. They're both pretty good on

1861
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 3: the feet, they both flowed pretty well. They both can

1862
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 3: take it to the ground they want. They're both very tall,

1863
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 3: long for this division. Al Jio is six foot, andre

1864
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 3: Philly five to eleven. But Andre Phielly's got long limbs, man,

1865
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 3: he really does. And I think he has better boxing

1866
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 3: and just more power, more ways to win, and not

1867
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,839
Speaker 3: to mention he's been in there with some killers. Aljio

1868
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 3: is a very good fighter, but I mean beating Herbert

1869
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 3: Burns isn't like being in there with you know, ya

1870
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 3: Ya Rodriguez or Sadeik Gusta, which is a very close fight.

1871
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 3: So you know, you're looking at You're looking at Andre

1872
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 3: Philly with the with the record, and you're like, oh,

1873
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 3: this is jumping, I mean, and you're getting them in

1874
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 3: a great price of minus one twenty. You know, Andre

1875
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 3: Pilly struggles with the powerful and the dangerous guys. You know,

1876
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 3: just he got caught bar Brido. Who I know the

1877
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 3: MMA math guys out there. I know al Jio beat Britto.

1878
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 3: We're not gonna do that here.

1879
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 6: This is real or not, I'm not gonna do that.

1880
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 3: We're not gonna do it. I like Andre Peeley. I

1881
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 3: love the number. I think he's probably gonna get us

1882
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 3: a decision here because Aldio is very good, but everywhere

1883
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 3: he's good. I think I feel he's better. I think

1884
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 3: he's better wrestling, and he has more power. I think

1885
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 3: Aljil is a little bit quicker, but I like the over.

1886
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 3: I like decisions, and I like min minus one. Twenty

1887
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 3: Fronde Philly Can't Flow. Bill Algo figures to present his

1888
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 3: best version to date. He's won two in a row

1889
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 3: that includes a bonus winning stoppage of Herbert Burns less

1890
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 3: than two months ago.

1891
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 5: Your thoughts on this one, Uh, you.

1892
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 6: Know, this is an interesting fight. I think it's really close.

1893
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 6: I think that they are kind of similar fighters in

1894
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 6: the way that they're built and the different skills that

1895
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 6: they have. You know, for me, what what's worrisome for

1896
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 6: me is, you know what has the last few fights

1897
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 6: done to the confidence of Andre Feely? Has he given

1898
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 6: up on himself. Is he just collecting a paycheck at

1899
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 6: the stage of the game. You know, I think that's

1900
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 6: a little worrisome for me. Bill Algaeo, of course, you know,

1901
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 6: has the opposite. Got a lot of momentum coming into

1902
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,839
Speaker 6: this fight. Now it typically fights with a lot of confidence.

1903
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 6: He's not shy to you know, throw a flashy technique

1904
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 6: or look for a finish. I'm gonna go the other

1905
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 6: way here. I like I like Bill. I like Bill

1906
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 6: to get the win. I think he's gonna come up

1907
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 6: with a lot of confidence. He's gonna move forward, he's

1908
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 6: gonna be aggressed. If he's gonna test Andre early, let

1909
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 6: him know he's in a fight. Andre will respond in kind.

1910
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 6: I'm sure, but I think it's gonna be a close.

1911
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 6: I think Al Joe squeezes this one out. Love it.

1912
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 5: I don't get to pick fights, but I always like

1913
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 5: when I can correctly predict in my own mind the

1914
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 5: side on which Ken Flow is gonna fall. By the way,

1915
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 5: calling on the antikeemploring podcast listenership, let's all get two

1916
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 5: oh nine tattoos. I think it's a great idea for

1917
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 5: our listeners in support of Nate Diaz. You know you

1918
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 5: want one. I mean, the realist of the real You

1919
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 5: like cannabis or no, like go get a tattoo, show

1920
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 5: him to us on social media at Anti Florian Pod.

1921
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,839
Speaker 5: We'll see how many we can get by our taping

1922
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 5: next Monday. All right. I don't know if this is

1923
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 5: going to be the co main event, but maybe a

1924
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 5: featured about here Gregory Rodriguez minus one fifteen taking on

1925
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 5: the aforementioned Chety and Ja Kouwani, who is minus one

1926
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 5: oh five. Rodriguez coming off of bonus winning knockout of

1927
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 5: Julian Marquez back in June. Now he will try to

1928
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 5: keep it going. Brian against the streaking Cheaty and Joe Kuwani.

1929
01:27:58,760 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 6: Who do you have here?

1930
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 2: Man?

1931
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 3: I love this fight and I'm so glad you played

1932
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 3: that file. That Timber in Cheenie's voice is just god damn.

1933
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 3: I mean, geez, this guy's a guy. I'm owing too

1934
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 3: on him right. I picked against them both different ways.

1935
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking. I love

1936
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 3: what he did against Dusco's last fight. Dusco took him down,

1937
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 3: and CHETI that's his thing. Take him down, smith him,

1938
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 3: take him down, layone taking he went for a Guillotine

1939
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 3: went for a dars and said, oh, if you're gonna

1940
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 3: take me down, I can fuck. I got some tricks

1941
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 3: and they stood back up and then bang bang night night,

1942
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, That's what it was. And

1943
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 3: then you got Gregory Rorigo's RoboCop.

1944
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 4: This guy.

1945
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm six years older than this guy,

1946
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 3: because he looks every bit of fifty one. He's thirty

1947
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 3: years ago.

1948
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 5: I looked up his age before the show.

1949
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 2: It's thirty.

1950
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 5: I know, it's cool, crazy man like, and we say

1951
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 5: that with all due respect, right, right, right, I.

1952
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 3: Mean I look twelve, so it's it's different, but I'm

1953
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 3: thirty six now, I'm like, man, I don't.

1954
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 5: Know that I've ever called a Gregory Rodriguez fight as such.

1955
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 5: I looked up his age and yeah, to be like,

1956
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,759
Speaker 5: he's a man. He's forty. He's certainly not fucking forty.

1957
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 3: Really, he looks everything, but he's an action packed guy.

1958
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 3: He's I mean, he has this jugitu background, but he

1959
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 3: comes in, he bangs it out, you know what I mean.

1960
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 3: He's only lost one fight in the UFC so far,

1961
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 3: and it was very very close, could have win either way,

1962
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 3: but he likes to stand up in the bank. But

1963
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 3: the one thing I go back to on RoboCop and

1964
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 3: this is the one thing, and I want some money

1965
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 3: on him before but he got knocked up by Jordan

1966
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 3: Williams on the Contendent series A Jordan Williams, who is

1967
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 3: a small eighty five er who did not do so

1968
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 3: well in the UFC at one seventy got knocked out.

1969
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 3: He's been touched before in the UFC, and he's kind

1970
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 3: of wobbled a little bit. He's obviously got great card

1971
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 3: to a great heart, great you know, great power. But

1972
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 3: if Chitty touches you, you're fucking debt. And I think

1973
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 3: Chitty's gonna deat him here. And I like him minus

1974
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 3: one of five. I love the pick him fights. I

1975
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 3: always play him. I'm not gonna go h and three

1976
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 3: picking against Chitty here, So give me Chety bang.

1977
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 5: Bang, headshot bang, No Gregory Rodriguez. All I can really

1978
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 5: tell you about him Ken Flow, having uh having not

1979
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 5: called any of his fights, is that he does train

1980
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 5: his strength and condition at the Institute of Human Performance,

1981
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 5: and they literally don't have enough good things to say

1982
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 5: about his commitment, his energy and everything else. So what

1983
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 5: do you have for us on this one.

1984
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,679
Speaker 6: This is one of them that you could just throw

1985
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 6: the dice, okay, because both are very capable of not

1986
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 6: only winning this fight, but winning the fight by finish.

1987
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 6: I think they are very gifted fighters, excellent strikers. I

1988
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 6: think there's aspects of Enjo Kiwani's game where I feel,

1989
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,520
Speaker 6: I don't know, he's maybe a little bit more complete

1990
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 6: on the feet, but Rodriguez maybe has certain weapons that

1991
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,839
Speaker 6: I think are a little bit more dangerous.

1992
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

1993
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 6: I mean, even as we're as we're talking about this fight,

1994
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 6: I really don't know who is gonna win that fight.

1995
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 6: I'm leaning towards Gregory Rodriguez here. I'm gonna pick Gregory Rodriguez.

1996
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,560
Speaker 6: I just think that he's coming into his own and

1997
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 6: I think it's more interesting. You know, I'll go away here,

1998
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 6: But both guys are so good and so dangerous. Wouldn't

1999
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 6: be surprised if we get an awesome fight or a

2000
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 6: finish at some point. But I think Gregory Rodriguez is

2001
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 6: someone to watch. A ton of potential in this guy.

2002
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 6: Love the way he moves, love the way he put

2003
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 6: it together in his last fight. So let's uh, let's

2004
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 6: go to Rodriguez. Let's see what happens.

2005
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 5: Kenny, I know you can't bet on the PFL. And

2006
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 5: I'll say this slowly to give you time to think.

2007
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 5: Do you know if you are contractually prevented from betting

2008
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 5: on UFC fights.

2009
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 6: I don't think I am for UFC fights.

2010
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 5: Okay, all right? Doesn't sound like he would have action

2011
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 5: on Rodriguez and enjol Kiwani though I would.

2012
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 6: I would not touch that fight.

2013
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, Brian, because when you guys

2014
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 5: filmed your show real quick, so Kenny was pretty convicted

2015
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 5: on Nate Daz. You like Tony Ferguson, but maybe not

2016
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 5: as much as he liked Nate. But I bet you

2017
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 5: still had action on Tony. Is that fair to say

2018
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 5: I didn't.

2019
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 3: I I'm really second guess myself. I went down there,

2020
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 3: and I were some spots I really loved, and by

2021
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 3: the time I allow, you know, I tried to bankroll management.

2022
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 3: I allow myself a certain number for each event, and

2023
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 3: once I got to the end of what I'm with

2024
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 3: my spending, I'm like, I'm not going to reach for Tony,

2025
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:09,560
Speaker 3: you know, because I don't have the best read on it.

2026
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 3: He came together kind of last minute. I really liked

2027
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 3: Holland versusd rod That was my really strong lead. I

2028
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 3: thought Holland Max Rodriguez. But once that all got shuffled around,

2029
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 3: I didn't touch any of those last three fights.

2030
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was proud of myself with the NFL. I

2031
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 5: was disciplined. I only played two one o'clock games yesterday,

2032
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 5: two straight wages.

2033
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 3: Hopefully wasn't the Bengals man. I took ten years off

2034
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 3: my life, jezus.

2035
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that was ugly all right. Main event, Corey

2036
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 5: Sanhagen minus one ninety. This price has moved around a

2037
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 5: little bit. That's the number right now on DraftKings sportsbook.

2038
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 5: Song You Dong is plus one sixty. Sanagan is still

2039
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 5: a guy many believe ken go on to become the

2040
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 5: UFC champion, but he has lost two in a row

2041
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 5: to TJ. Dillashat and what was a close fight, and

2042
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 5: then he lost to Pyotr Jan in a fight that

2043
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 5: was less close. That was for the interim Bandamwait title

2044
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 5: last October. So it's been about eleven months for san Hagan.

2045
01:32:59,640 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 6: Briy.

2046
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 5: Here he draws the powerful song You Dong, who has

2047
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 5: flought ten times in the UFC and only lost once

2048
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 5: because the record says he beat Cheeto and he has

2049
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 5: gotten five routes before, but this will be his first

2050
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 5: UFC made event.

2051
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 3: In your thoughts, right, yeah, I love this fight. I

2052
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 3: absolutely love him. One thirty five is a killer's row.

2053
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 3: And if Morob's the Boogeyman's division, what is Sanhagen because

2054
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 3: the Sandman. I mean that makes sense because he's only

2055
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 3: lost to three former current champions. And the Dillershaw fight

2056
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 3: was close. He got dog walk by Al Joe will

2057
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 3: give him that. The Petreon fight was competitive. This kid

2058
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 3: is good, explosive. I love the way he sets his all.

2059
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,600
Speaker 3: This strikes up. He walked Frank Jegger right into that

2060
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 3: flying knee was absolutely gorgeous. Same thing you do with

2061
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 3: mot the rice, So that was spinning wheel kick. This

2062
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 3: kid's really good and flew on the feet the big

2063
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 3: knock on them take him down in the mina. But

2064
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 3: some you don't can't really do that. Chong You Dong

2065
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 3: is getting very good. Feels like he's been twenty one

2066
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 3: forever right like the youngest guy.

2067
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 2: He's like towenty one brother.

2068
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 3: But he's very good, very powerful, bricked up he can

2069
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 3: wrestle a little bit, mixes up well, but he his

2070
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 3: main goal is explosive right hand power, and he's put

2071
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 3: two guys out. That's what he likes to do. I

2072
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 3: just think Sanagan's ten shoulders above him with the striking

2073
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 3: and the distant management. I get a little worried because

2074
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 3: Corey is so long for the vision that he just

2075
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 3: keep his head up a little bit and a big

2076
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,639
Speaker 3: overhand right could end that. And Song is definitely powerful.

2077
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna waiver or anything like that. I'm

2078
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:22,600
Speaker 3: not gonna be one of these guys that tries to

2079
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 3: pick both sides nuts on the table. San Haagan, I'm

2080
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 3: not scared of the price. I looked at ready before

2081
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 3: hopped on here DraftKings at minus two hundred. Give me

2082
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 3: that I love san Haagan. I love the over can

2083
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 3: be competitive. Song You Dong is not going anywhere neither.

2084
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 3: Sanhagan liked the overking decision. But give me san Haagen

2085
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 3: for sure.

2086
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kenny, I was surprised to see minus one ninety

2087
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 5: next to san Hagan's name when I woke up this morning.

2088
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 5: I say that, with all due respect to Song, you

2089
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 5: don your thoughts on the fight and the price.

2090
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think you're a little surprised, as

2091
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 6: I was I because you know, you have San Hagen

2092
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 6: with so much experience, both in five round fights against

2093
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 6: high level guys. You know the size disparity, right, I mean,

2094
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 6: he's what five eleven or something like that, one hundred

2095
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 6: and thirty five some one. I saw someone listing him

2096
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:09,600
Speaker 6: at five nine. He's definitely not five ninety's taller than that.

2097
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 6: And Song your Dong's like five to seven. Okay, just

2098
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 6: that alone, Song you Dong needs to be able to

2099
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 6: cut that distance, land that big shot with San Haagen's footwork,

2100
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 6: I think it's he's gonna be missing a lot. And

2101
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,839
Speaker 6: San Haagen's just so slick. He's got so many weapons.

2102
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 6: He's working a lot on his grappling skills as well.

2103
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 6: I know he's been spending time with the Wizard Ryan Hall,

2104
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 6: you know, showing up that part of his game.

2105
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 4: You know.

2106
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 6: So uh, he's a true professional. He's training all the time,

2107
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 6: always comes in shape, very motivated, and been on the

2108
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 6: wrong end on some of some close decisions. I like

2109
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 6: San Hagen here as well. I think it's gonna be

2110
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 6: a phenomenal fight. And one that's gonna get him back

2111
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 6: on track and he's gonna remind people why he's one

2112
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 6: of the best in the world.

2113
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, put when you have size and length and

2114
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 5: you know how to use it, you know. Joe Silva

2115
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 5: used to bemoan the fact that Stephan Struve never developed

2116
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 5: a great mixed martial arts jab at seven feet tall,

2117
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 5: you know. And when you look at matchups historically, like

2118
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 5: Robert Whitaker versus Israel Loto Sonia, like the whole handicap

2119
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 5: begins with the length. The whole handicapp For DC John Jones,

2120
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 5: it's like, all right, well we're a foot short in

2121
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 5: this guy for starters, you know. So yeah, all right,

2122
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 5: we'll see how it goes in the main event. If

2123
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 5: you want more from Brian Peatree, check out his MMA

2124
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 5: Takes podcast and on social media, he is at Brian

2125
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 5: Peatree MMA. Who do your Bengals having Week two?

2126
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 3: Cowboys? That's so, I don't bet on the Bengals. I'm

2127
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 3: like you, John, I don't bet on my teams. I

2128
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 3: don't bet against them, but I don't bet on them.

2129
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 3: But I might load up because I think we're I

2130
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 3: think the Bengals are pissed off right now, and I

2131
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 3: think we can't lose to a guy named Cooper Rush

2132
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 3: is that's who their backup is. We can't just lose

2133
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:45,719
Speaker 3: to a guy named Cooper Rush.

2134
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like he was born a lot later

2135
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 5: in the nineteen seventy six Cooper Rush. All right, Bry,

2136
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 5: we will talk to you in two weeks in advance

2137
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 5: of Mackenzie Durna and Yon Shaun on. But enjoy the

2138
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 5: bye week. We'll talk to you soon, brother man.

2139
01:36:58,560 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 3: Awesome boys. I'll see you have a good day.

2140
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 5: See he is Brian Petree with us here on the

2141
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,640
Speaker 5: Anak and Florian podcast. All right, it is time for

2142
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,600
Speaker 5: the Marrow Seconds. Cody is oh and one gave you

2143
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 5: the Carolina Panthers minus two and a half at home

2144
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 5: they lose outright to the Cleveland Browns. I would imagine

2145
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 5: your NFL Week two will be part of the world

2146
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 5: famous Merrowseconds today.

2147
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 10: Well, of course, and I mean Na Diaz did in

2148
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 10: his post fight say he's coming for all the other sports.

2149
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 10: So I heard that he's in talks right now to

2150
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 10: become the Cowboys quarterback at week two. So Na Diaz

2151
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 10: already making moves out there.

2152
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 5: In the sports one, so a third, So, so what

2153
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 5: do you have for us?

2154
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:38,839
Speaker 10: So I was trying to actually find the the crypto

2155
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 10: bonus out of UFC two seventy nine to see if

2156
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 10: the leech got a crypto bonus, but they're not.

2157
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 5: Out yet, so if I did not voice that, so

2158
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,719
Speaker 5: I don't even know if it existed for that show.

2159
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 4: Ah.

2160
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 10: Interesting interesting, Well, uh so a couple of news and

2161
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 10: notes there on UFC two seventy nine. The bonuses were Diaz, Aldona, Walker,

2162
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:58,839
Speaker 10: and Almeta.

2163
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 5: So Johnny Walker, congratulations.

2164
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 10: Correct, Johnny Walker Blue, Johnny Walker Blue. Maybe he gets

2165
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 10: enough bonuses he gets to Johnny Warker black.

2166
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 5: Well, we always talk about yeah, we always talk about

2167
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 5: nicknames being you know, in front of the name, you know,

2168
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 5: like the Iron Long, Paul Felder or Kenny Ken Flow.

2169
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 6: Walker Blue is at the top. That's the most expensive

2170
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 6: blue the top.

2171
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 5: I said, come on, I thought, I said Walker Blue,

2172
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 5: You did, I said, Johnny Wall the one that I

2173
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 5: had to say, it's not you, John, it's me.

2174
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,639
Speaker 6: That's the that's the finest. That's all their most rare

2175
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 6: whiskeys that they mixed together.

2176
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 10: I should know because there's an Entourage quote where I

2177
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 10: think it's the seventh or eighth season. Like, oh, Johnny,

2178
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 10: why don't you try some tekilles? Like I don't drink tequila.

2179
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 10: I drink Johnny Walker Blue because I'm not a pseudo

2180
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 10: man like you, Kenny.

2181
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 5: Are you a Scotch guy?

2182
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 4: You know what?

2183
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 9: I had?

2184
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 6: Uh, every once in a while, Every once in a while,

2185
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 6: I'll definitely drink Johnny Walker Blue, and I may have

2186
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 6: a fresh bottle.

2187
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 4: In my Yeah he does.

2188
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 5: See, he's he knows, like sophisticated ship.

2189
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 4: You know.

2190
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 5: Well, I don't like Scotch. I don't like cigars unless

2191
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 5: I'm hollowing them out and putting something else in them.

2192
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 6: What uh you got?

2193
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 5: You go that route?

2194
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 10: You go that route instead of the wraps, exactly what

2195
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 10: I mean? Once Yeah, no, I know, but a gun

2196
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 10: it out Dutch house sucks. Like anybody anybody that's ever

2197
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 10: like doing the leaf route, They're like, oh, put this

2198
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 10: around the water bottle. We could put the leaf back on.

2199
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 10: You end up with like terrible wet. This is exactly

2200
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 10: why people turn into this problem.

2201
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,839
Speaker 5: Revealed my preferred paper in the middle of a contract.

2202
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, what do you have?

2203
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 5: What do you have for us?

2204
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 10: So there's just some notes here from Tristan Critchfield's shirt

2205
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 10: Dog by the Numbers article. Diaz tied for fourth most

2206
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 10: subs in UFC history with that finish. His six from

2207
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 10: the bottom surpasses Paul Kreek as the number one submissions

2208
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 10: from the bottom in the Ever in.

2209
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 5: Your desire to pronounce Paul Craig correctly, you just went creeg.

2210
01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 6: I mean, I love you, Paul Klee.

2211
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 3: Fuck it's salts mate.

2212
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 5: I don't think they say, mate, what else do you got?

2213
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 4: My man?

2214
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 6: Long live the fucking queen?

2215
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 4: Huh oh.

2216
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 5: I want to say something about that too, because we

2217
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 5: were not at all trying to make light of the

2218
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 5: fact that the crowd booed the queen when we showed

2219
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 5: her on broadcast. I had no idea that that happened.

2220
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:30,759
Speaker 5: So when somebody said it, I did laugh out loud

2221
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 5: on the broadcast because I didn't know that they booted

2222
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 5: the queen, and it was sort of like, man, are

2223
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,640
Speaker 5: these people really going to do that? So certainly, you

2224
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 5: know our condolences and our respect on that front, but

2225
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:41,679
Speaker 5: go ahead, cook.

2226
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 10: Hey, US World War Champs two times.

2227
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 2: Maybe.

2228
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 10: Tony Ferguson was last subs in July two thousand and nine.

2229
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:55,879
Speaker 10: That's four and twelve days between submission losses for Tony Ferguson.

2230
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 5: Wow.

2231
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 10: So pretty interesting stuff there, Leech verusd Rod. Of the

2232
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 10: twenty three submitted media cards, only two had de Rod winning.

2233
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 10: Our boy Sean Sheen had a twenty nine to twenty

2234
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 10: eight for Leach. Actually, only eight point two percent of

2235
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 10: the five hundred and sixty five submitted cards had de

2236
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 10: Rod winning in any shorter way.

2237
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:15,760
Speaker 6: Wow.

2238
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 10: I was actually I was watching that fight. I got

2239
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 10: out to take a piss, I came back, I saw

2240
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 10: de Rad talk, de Rod talking. I was like, oh,

2241
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,600
Speaker 10: they so they interviewed the winner and loser because they

2242
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 10: both stepped up like great, nope winning the fight.

2243
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 6: So how about that now?

2244
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 10: So that was just kind of the odds and ends

2245
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 10: of UFC two seventy nine.

2246
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 4: UH.

2247
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 10: Cody's covers, as everybody knows, you want to fade my

2248
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 10: my covers ZE one. Going into Week two, I like

2249
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 10: the Browns minus three and a half against the Jets.

2250
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 10: The Jets were inept. The Browns are one and oh

2251
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 10: against the spread on the season. They're four and oh

2252
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 10: against the spread or four and one against the spread

2253
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 10: last five September games. UH, favorites in this matchup are

2254
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 10: ten to one against the spread Browns versus Jets. The

2255
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:58,560
Speaker 10: Jets were fifth in passyards but had no tds, so

2256
01:41:58,600 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 10: I just think they're in nept and they have a

2257
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 10: covered in week two in five years. So some data

2258
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 10: going into week two there, and you know you love

2259
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 10: a good Jets fade. But I did think it was interesting. John,

2260
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 10: give me a guest. Do you think the Pats are

2261
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 10: favored going into Week two against the Steelers or no?

2262
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 5: Oh, definitely not. Mac Jones has a back injury. I

2263
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 5: wouldn't be surprised if it's off the board right now.

2264
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 4: No, they're favored.

2265
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,600
Speaker 10: Where's the game Gillette in Pittsburgh and the Pats are

2266
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:24,719
Speaker 10: minus one and a half.

2267
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 5: If you'll excuse me, I need to go place a

2268
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:28,520
Speaker 5: wager on the Pittsburgh.

2269
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 10: So I was thinking as well, I thought the Steels

2270
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 10: are really good. I was shocked to see that line there.

2271
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 10: So Cody covers week two, we'll get raised pick sometime offline, all.

2272
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 5: Right, we'll see if Cody can bounce back a little bit.

2273
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:42,600
Speaker 5: By the way, I would also like to announce it

2274
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 5: this time, I'm doing an NFL betting show with my

2275
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 5: twin brother. It's called Annix Squared. You can get it

2276
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 5: on the Hammer Betting Network and we make five picks

2277
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 5: against the spread against each other head to head, and

2278
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 5: some other NFL stuff in there as well. But Ken

2279
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 5: Foon knows I've been doing the Super Contest for like

2280
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:01,559
Speaker 5: seven or eight years, right pay one thousand bucks five

2281
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 5: games against the spread, and I can tell you last

2282
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 5: night I went to bed for the first time in

2283
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 5: eight years doing the Super Contest, tied for first place

2284
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 5: because we're four and oh out of the shoot Broncos

2285
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 5: minus six and a half tonight. Those five and o's

2286
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 5: are hard to come by.

2287
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 6: Four and oh hell yeah, dude.

2288
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 5: Super Contest in twenty twenty two, so we'll see how it.

2289
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 6: Let's go.

2290
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,560
Speaker 5: Don't forget Kenny Floridmartial Arts dot com for all of

2291
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 5: your jiu jitsu essentials and a Florianpodcast. Dot Com is

2292
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:28,200
Speaker 5: our merchandise website. Remember the show with Balam Muhammad and

2293
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 5: Jason Anna coming up this Thursday night. One more sleep

2294
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 5: merches at millions dot co. The Abu Dhabi designs should

2295
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 5: drop this week and I want to thank our guests

2296
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 5: as well. Dean Thomas, Aaron Brounsteader, Ray Longo, all for

2297
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 5: joining us today and of course our guy Brian Petrie

2298
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 5: on the back end. This show has been produced by

2299
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 5: Cody Merrow and we can assure you we'll be back

2300
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 5: in a week's time to recap Corey Sandhagan and song

2301
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 5: Ya Dong Today's show in memory of the late great

2302
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 5: Elias Theodoro. Thank you all for listening and watching. We'll

2303
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 5: talk to you next week.

2304
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 4: We kill Later.

2305
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 7: I'm Royal Oaks next time. On Too Many Lawyers, we

2306
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 7: take on a couple of villains to sort out whether

2307
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 7: bad stuff is also illegal stuff. George Santos want a

2308
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,640
Speaker 7: seat in Congress by lying to voters, but is that

2309
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 7: a crime? And Kanye West made it clear he hates Jews.

2310
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 2: In England, he go to jail for that.

2311
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 7: Here in America, did he commit a hate crime? Listen

2312
01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 7: to Too Many Lawyers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple pot Casts,

2313
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 7: or wherever you get your podcasts.