1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Nolan. 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: super producer Alexis, code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. Merry Christmas 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: do those who celebrate and happy day off work to 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: those who do not celebrate Christmas. It's kind of a 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: win win for everybody in the gang. Here tuning in 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: and we hope that you have had a lovely day. 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: We hope that you are getting some R and R, 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: some rest and relaxation, and we I hope that you 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: are ready for some very very strange news. There's a 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: lot of stuff afoot we're going to Hopefully we didn't 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: talk about this before we record, but I'm thinking we 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: can maybe end on a positive note in the spirit 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: of getting so close to surviving twenty twenty three, which 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: has been just like a constant Shyamalan plot twist after another. 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: We're going to learn about the Red Sea in a 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: weird way. We're going to learn about some sea animals 25 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: in a pretty exciting way. But before we do any 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: of that, we have to acknowledge something that is part 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: of a continuing larger phenomenon, cyber attacks hacks. Shout out 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: to anybody who's an Infinity customer or Comcast or whatever 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: they're going as now, but some big news just broken. 30 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: It affects a lot of people. 31 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, last time on the show, you may remember if 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: you were twenty three and me customer, all your stuff 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: got hacked. Remember that that just happened. Well, it turns 34 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: out back in October, another pretty big institution got hacked. 35 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: It's a thing called Nation Star Mortgage, which changed its 36 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: name to mister Cooper a couple of years back. Really 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: hanging with yeah yeah, yeah. 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: Because it's more innocious is one of those rebranding plays. 39 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: I guess I got to tell you if they're they're 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: a mortgage company, they are actually the people that I 41 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: used to have a mortgage with when I owned a 42 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 2: house previously. It's very weird to go to their website 43 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: and pay mister Cooper all that money that you owe them. 44 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: It's a charitable corporation. Now you got a name, you know, 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: I hope Matt. Do They have like a logo, like 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: a face logo, like some guy in a you know, 47 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: Hona Civic version of a suit. 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: I only ever saw their logo. That was just a 49 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: very small Mr. Dot Cooper and it was all lowercase 50 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: mister Cooper. He just wants all your money. 51 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: Well he wants more of your money too, depending on 52 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: the interest rate. 53 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: Right, oh yeah, and more and more nowadays. Well, so 54 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: back basically a right around Halloween, mister Cooper said that 55 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: it had been attacked. They noticed some weird stuff on 56 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: their servers and they're like, oh, what's going on with that? 57 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: We don't know, but they had to do the same 58 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: thing twenty three and me did, where they have to 59 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: report it to the SEC. Hey, there may have been 60 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: some kind of data breach. We're not really sure. We're 61 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: assessing it. We'll see what's going on. So that made 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: news in early November of this year that that had occurred. 63 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: Right a regulatory filing that they had to put forward 64 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: that kind of made the news. I mean it did. 65 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: It showed up in places like the New York times 66 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: that something occurred. Because again, like twenty three and me, 67 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: this is a big company. There's lots of investors in 68 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: this company. It's a big deal. When something like this occurs, 69 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: it can affect share and how the company performs well. 70 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 2: As of December eighteenth, the reporting has changed quite a bit. 71 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: It wasn't just a few people got affected by this thing. 72 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: It was around fourteen million users whoa got affected. And guys, 73 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: let me just jump here to my notes from this 74 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: ABC News article written by Luke Barr on December eighteenth, 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. According to the official information coming from 76 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: mister Cooper, now, this cyber breach involved quote substantially all 77 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: of our current and former customers, and it was their 78 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: sensitive personal information. Here we go. The personal information in 79 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: the impacted files include your name, address, phone number, social 80 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: Security number, date of birth, and bank account number unquote. 81 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: Can I just say that the whole former thing, yes, 82 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: really gives me because you think that you're out, you're out, 83 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: but there's always stuff floating around. 84 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: No, my name, all of my information's in there, guys. 85 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: So I don't know about anyone else listening to this 86 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: or finding out about this news, but I'm gonna have 87 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: to take some steps just for my own, you know, 88 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: sense of well being, whether or not this information is 89 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: out there and being sold to somebody. That's that's also 90 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: part of this story. So as a part of the 91 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 2: steps that mister Cooper has to take now that they've 92 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: realized how big this hack was, they are going to 93 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: spend I think around twenty to twenty five million dollars 94 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: to mitigate this stuff, to monitor the dark web and 95 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: see if this information or you know, this batch of 96 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: information is getting sold somewhere. They are also providing two 97 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: years of that kind of monitoring that we've you know, 98 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: had on this show before with like what's it called 99 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: the Norton LifeLock or LifeLock by Norton. They're going to 100 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: provide that for everybody affected for two years. 101 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: At least. We can't protect all identity theft. 102 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: We are required to point that out. But also twenty 103 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: five million seems like a pretty a pretty low blood 104 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: price to pay for this because what you've just described here, Matt, 105 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: and there are other very similar cyber attacks we talked 106 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: about too later. 107 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: But what you've. 108 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: Described is the dream ingredient list for identity theft. It's 109 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: all the stuff you need, except like you don't need 110 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: the routing number because bank routing numbers are public informations, 111 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: So now you can do any number of things. I 112 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: think you're right, man, I think it's time to freeze 113 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: the credit. I think also any financial boffin will readily 114 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: tell you, tell all of us that we are supposed 115 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: to have our credit at a freeze and only unlock 116 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: it when we're doing stuff and then lock it right 117 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: back up, just like how you close the refrige when 118 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: you take out the leftover case. Do you. 119 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: I can't see a really good reason to not function 120 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: that way, Ben, and I currently don't function that way 121 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: all the time, and it's often one of those things 122 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: I think meant for many of us. You're just not 123 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: thinking about freezing your credit, right. It is like accidentally, 124 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: You're right, Ben, It's like accidentally leaving the door open. 125 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: Right. 126 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: We need to just do that. So let's let's all 127 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: try it. Let's give it a try. I know it's 128 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: one of the things that's on the top of my 129 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: list to get done. Right now. Just freeze everything, make 130 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: sure we're good, and honestly get a new account number, 131 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: because if my bank account number is rolling around out there. 132 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: I don't really like that. I don't like that at all. 133 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Actually, what no way? 134 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's a lot more you can read about 135 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: this from the Register. Some great writing by Jessica Hardcastle 136 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: over there also came out on December eighteenth. It's discussing 137 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: more of like basically, how they're responding to this. So 138 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: I guess the other question is what do we do right. 139 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: We've talked about maybe potential actions you can take independently. 140 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: Can you reach out to mister Cooper directly? Well? According 141 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: to some writing in The New York Times by Stacy 142 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: Cowley cowl Y from November seventh, mister Cooper had set 143 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: up a website to provide information to anybody who has 144 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: been affected. It also says, at least according to Stacy, 145 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: that they are quote truly sorry because there were actually 146 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: network disruptions back in November guys, where people who are 147 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: trying to pay their mortgage bills couldn't pay them because 148 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: the website for mister Cooper, the portal I guess that 149 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: you used to go in and pay, wasn't functioning because 150 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: they were, at least according to mister Cooper, they shut 151 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: down portions of their servers that were affected, right, and 152 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: some of those portions also had to do with their 153 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: website and how it functions, which is not great for users. Nope, 154 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: But on this New York Times piece by Stacy Cowley, 155 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: there's a link to a website. But I don't know 156 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: about you guys. I would click in that website. It's 157 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: incident dot mister cooperinfo dot com, and I'm not seeing 158 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: anything pull up. 159 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 3: It's like kind of logjamming. 160 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: We were talking about this off air. 161 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. 162 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: I tried to go to the website as well. By 163 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: the way, that's Mr Cooper, so not mister spelled out. Yeah, 164 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: and it's not loading for any of us. If you 165 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: go to the mister Cooper website, that works. 166 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: But that's good. 167 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: They'll gladly sell you a home or help you refinance. 168 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: But the and the help center appears to still be up. 169 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: You can get their mailing address. Since no one sends 170 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: letters anymore, those things do have an impact, I think. 171 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's curious. It's the worst time for 172 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: their website to go down. And I just got the 173 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: right now we're cooking live. I just got the this 174 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: site can't be reached message after try to go a 175 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: couple of times. Okay, unanimous, then they must be tuning in. 176 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: Nice to hear from you, mister C that this is 177 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: this not indicative of Like I don't know if I 178 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: have confirmation bias or if I'm just seeing the things 179 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: I'm looking for. But doesn't it seem like there are 180 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: more cyber attacks happening now? Like Sony just had that 181 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: massive hack from GM MGM just had a massive hack. Yeah, 182 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: and then there was there was another one. I can't remember. 183 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: It's like it's getting tough to keep track of all 184 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: of them. Oh, Exfinity we mentioned I'm beginning, Yeah, thirty 185 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: six million people. This is a little bit different though, 186 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: because of the degree of information that has been spilled, 187 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: And for anybody who doesn't know, could you maybe walk 188 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: us through like how these hackers rap fit from this, 189 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: because these guys are selling it right or attemptation. 190 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: If they were able to sell it to a third 191 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: party or a third parties. Often this information gets stolen 192 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: in bulk then basically packaged so that it can be 193 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: sold to other countries. So probably non state actors in 194 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 2: other countries. I would imagine just on again the dark 195 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: web somewhere when those people have it. The most common 196 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: thing for this type of identity theft information is for 197 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: it to be used to open credit lines or lines 198 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: of credit in other people's identities basically, And it's very 199 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: weird because you can take those lines of credit and 200 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: go to places like Vegas and then you can go 201 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: gamble a bunch of money with somebody else's credit line 202 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: that you've created, and then if you get any cash winnings, 203 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: you just take it and run or you know, quietly, 204 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: calmly exit the building as to not raise suspicion. It's 205 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: really scary because you can also do things like go 206 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: and buy a bunch of like AFT cards. 207 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, the oldest like grift in the book is like 208 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: you know, return stealing things and then returning it to 209 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 3: another store and getting you know, store credit because a 210 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: lot of places are pretty lax about receipts. There's any 211 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: number of ways to incorporate that sort of more old 212 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: school grift into to what you're talking about here. 213 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: You can also use this to secure a short term 214 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: loan and then use that loan to make a purchase 215 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: of a large thing like a house, and then sell 216 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: the house very quickly for a profit. So there are 217 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: multiple avenues of advantage here to this con and it's 218 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: actually the thing that I think is likewise frightening is 219 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: it's not tough to get away with this. It not 220 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: like it's not like faking or death. Faking your death 221 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: is very difficult, but doing a grift like this with 222 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: someone else's identity, you can get away, and people do 223 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: every year. 224 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, buying cars is another big thing. I've personally seen 225 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: that happen in my life. It is really just a 226 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: creepy thing. So just keep keep a lookout for more 227 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: of these types of data breaches, make sure when your 228 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: stuff is in one of them, as in I think 229 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: a few of us might have gotten caught up in 230 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: the Exfinity thing. Nothing, it's fine, just smile and move on, 231 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: but take actions to protect yourself. 232 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 3: I did have a fraud situation where I had like 233 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 3: a very unusual charge on my bank account just fyi, 234 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: and for a little bit of you know, protect yourself. 235 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: It was tied to Apple Pay, which is, you know, 236 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 3: obviously you can get Apple credit, but I have my 237 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: debit card, you know, in my Apple wallet. And if 238 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: you ever lazily sign up for a service using your 239 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 3: Apple Pay or your Apple Wallet, they forever have that 240 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: link to your card. And I don't know what this 241 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: thing was, but I literally had to remove my card 242 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: from my Apple Wallet and manually added back in and 243 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: I reported the charge and I was able to get 244 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: it reversed. But that was sort of an eye opener 245 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 3: for me. 246 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: I would strongly suggest I'm not a expert, thankfully in 247 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: these sorts of shenanigans, but I would I would strongly 248 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: suggest the following, which I have found to be advantageous. 249 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: If you are interacting with one of those digital payment 250 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: hubs like an Amazon a subscription service and Apple Pay, PlayStation, 251 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: Xbox Store, et cetera, have have some kind of credit 252 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: card if possible, if you have the wherewithal that you 253 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: only use for that, do not attach it to your 254 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: debit card because it's much easier to get things repaired 255 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: when you have a credit card, So like Prince, and 256 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: it will help your credit score too, that crazy byzantine, 257 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: arbitrary bullshit that we all have to participate in in 258 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: the United States right and many other countries. Obviously, to 259 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: be FITIR got to. 260 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: Get a good score or you're worthless to US Credits America, which. 261 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: Is also on the way. I didn't tell you guys 262 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: I hung out with On previous evening, I went and 263 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: hung out with some pretty cool guys from the United Kingdom. 264 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: They do a show called high on Homegrown. I've never 265 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: learned their real names. I don't know what they look like. 266 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: They are professional growers of things and they and they 267 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: were talking about this exactly what we're talking about. They 268 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: were talking about the tricky world of digital payments and 269 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: a bit of the grifting that can occur. And they 270 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: they're like us, they're very anti grifting. So just to 271 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: be clear, they weren't like this is great. 272 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: I got another random cash aff card in the mail, 273 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: somebody named like Johnny Cash sixty nine. Why anyway, All right, y'all, 274 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: we'll be right back with more strange news. But protect 275 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: your wallet, protect your check, Yes, protect your check. 276 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: And we're back with another piece of strange news. This 277 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: is a fun one. We've talked a lot about the 278 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: whole war against humans. It's happening seemingly in the animal kingdom. 279 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: You know, you got your orcas trying to capsize boats, 280 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 3: all of that good stuff. Well, now it seems that 281 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: the war against humans has taken an interesting evolutionary turn. 282 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: We always talk about how one of the superpowers of 283 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: being a human is our opposable thumbs. It allows us 284 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 3: to grip things in certain ways and also, you know, 285 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: show that we're pleased or displeased with something. But it's 286 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: something that typically most members of the cetacean kingdom or 287 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 3: most cetaceans do not have. They have flippers. We know 288 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: that dolphins are very, very intelligent. They've been studied in 289 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: terms of their ability to communicate with each other, and 290 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 3: they're vast intellect They've often been featured in science fiction. 291 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: Of course. 292 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, you know, presents them as 293 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: sort of the most intelligent creatures on Earth. Or actually 294 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 3: I believe Ben maybe you know, aren't they like aliens 295 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: kind of they're meant to be seen as aliens and 296 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: they're the one guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 297 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: They're the benevolent, better life form. And they get word 298 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 1: that Earth is going to be destroyed, and so they 299 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: they big people, a very nice, very warm, but firm goodbye, 300 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: thanks for all so long, all the fish. 301 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: That's right. Well, it turns out whether this is an 302 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: evolutionary thing that's going to take or not. Marine biologists 303 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: studying the Gulf of Corinth, which is near Greece, recently 304 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 3: discovered a dolphin, one in particular an individual that has 305 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: you know, let's just call it developed thumbs. What it 306 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: really looks a lot more like, which honestly is pretty 307 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 3: awesome in and of itself, is both fins kind of 308 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 3: resemble like a bottle opener, you know, where you have 309 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: the little hook at the bottom and then the long 310 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: piece and you use that to pop the cap off 311 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: of your you know, tasty beverage. Well that's what they observed. 312 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: Researchers spotted this very strange dolphin twice this past summer 313 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: while doing some surveys near Greece. And there's a great 314 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 3: article in All That's Interesting by Colleena Fraga that describes 315 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 3: the whole thing, using some citations from USA Today as well. 316 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: In fact, let's do a quote here. One of the 317 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: researchers named Alexandro's Francis, who is the scientific coordinator and 318 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: president of the Polagos Cetacean Research Institute, spoke to Live Science, 319 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 3: and I believe maybe the Live Science quote was also 320 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: reprinted in USA Today, saying that the dolphin was seen 321 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 3: a swimming, leaping, bow riding, and playing, and seemed perfectly 322 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 3: capable of keeping up with the pod despite this unusual adaptation. 323 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: Now we've talked about this a lot. Sometimes, you know, 324 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: a mutation can be not advantageous, but it's when it 325 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 3: becomes advantageous that it may be, in a long enough timeline, 326 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: becomes an evolution. It's way too early to discuss whether 327 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 3: that's the case here or not. It does appear that 328 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: this is what you might consider a deformity, you know, 329 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: within this cetacean group. But if it proves to be 330 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: advantageou you know, given conditions, perhaps it could become an evolution. 331 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: You know. Let's see, there's another really good quote here 332 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: from USA Today. Francis says, the fact that this irregularity 333 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 3: is found in both flippers of the dolphin and no 334 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: injuries or skin lesions are present explains why this could 335 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: not be an illness but an expression of very rare genes. 336 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 3: This is exciting, kind of exciting, slash terrifying. 337 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: No, we need to make sure this dolphin, this particular dolphin, 338 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: is out there breeding like crazy. We need more dolphins 339 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: with thumbs. I'm into this. 340 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: He says. Francis says that this could well be the 341 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: result of constant inbreeding, which you know inherently is a 342 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: good thing and usually does generate genetic irregularities that are 343 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 3: not good. But in this case, it's kind of a 344 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: It seems like it might be a leg up or 345 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: a thumb up. I don't know, what do you guys think? 346 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: Let me add one more little detail here. During a 347 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 3: dolphin's development, the article says, in the womb, these fingers 348 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 3: I guess, are surrounded by cells, and these cells merge 349 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: together to create this contiguous flipper or paddle like appendage. 350 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: The space or the cells between the fingers, which I 351 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: guess is what it looks like as they're developing die 352 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 3: off prior to birth. But in this situation, that doesn't 353 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 3: seem to have happened. And another researcher, Lisa Noel Cooper, 354 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: told Life Science and she is from the Northwest Ohio 355 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: Medical University, it looks to me like the cells that 356 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: normally would have formed the equivalent of our index and 357 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: middle fingers died off in a strange event when the 358 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: flipper was forming while the calf was still in the womb. 359 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: It's pretty wild, man. This dolphin was one of thirteen 360 00:21:54,320 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 3: hundred striped dolphins known as Stenella coraloelba and they exist, 361 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 3: you know, there in the Gulf of Corinth, and they 362 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 3: are in fact isolated from a lot of other dolphins 363 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 3: in the Mediterranean, So they are the subject of a 364 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: lot of observation from that Pelagos Cetacean Research Institute since 365 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: as far back as nineteen ninety five. 366 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: We don't know if it's environmentally dependent operation or whether 367 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: it is to your point, in genetic or inbreeding. But 368 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: it could also be atavism, you know, because the ancestors 369 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: of dolphins were four legged land mammals and they eventually 370 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: returned to the ocean, right, So there's a number of 371 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: factors that it could be. And if I'm aware, correct 372 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong on this, snol, I don't. I 373 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: think the dolphin has been sighted but has not been 374 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: like it's weird to say it this way apprehended a 375 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: studied Like, No, there's no DNA test, And until there 376 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: is further investigation, the humans aren't going to know whether 377 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: this is a one off thing that was due to 378 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: environmental factors. The way that other maritime life might be 379 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: exposed to human created contaminants that mess up their development. 380 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: We don't know whether the dolphin has tried to grab anything. 381 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: We don't know whether it's a a genetic precedent that 382 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: could lead to more breeding. But usually in these cases, 383 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: quite often those sorts of mutations will tend to be 384 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: one off or recessive traits. So you got to find 385 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: the other thumbed dolphin, bro if you're tuning in, if 386 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: you're listening. 387 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 3: Well, and again, I think it would require some conditional 388 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 3: situation that would make such a mutation super advantageous to 389 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 3: the point where it would kill off other individuals, you know, 390 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 3: in the group that don't have that. That's to my understanding, 391 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 3: my very rough understanding of evolution. That's kind of how 392 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: it works. You know, on a long timeline, like a 393 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: mutation happens, it's kind of random. But then the ones 394 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 3: that sort of you know, rise to the top are 395 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 3: because all of a sudden, not all of a sudden, 396 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 3: are over time conditions make that a really good trait 397 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: to have, and the ones that don't have that trait 398 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 3: are at a disadvantage. Therefore, the ones that have it 399 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 3: are the ones that carry on and continue to breed. 400 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: And you know, therefore the evolutionary trait kicks in. There 401 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 3: is one last quote I want to read from Cooper, 402 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 3: the Ohio researcher. I believe the hook to your point 403 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 3: about grabbing things, Ben, the hook shaped thumb may have 404 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: some bone inside it, but it certainly isn't mobile. No 405 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: cetaceans have mobile thumbs. So so, while it's a very 406 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: interesting kind of buzzy thing to talk about, we don't 407 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: have dolphins yet that can like operate a doorknob. 408 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: Do we talk about I mean, why would that's that's 409 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: a dolphin steeze, right, But Joe, dolphins are able to 410 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: improvise tools, right, they are sure they have that level 411 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: of intelligence. And did we mentioned mentioned there's stripe dolphins 412 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: did we talk about? Like you said they're isolated. There's 413 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: there's a line of one of the articles you shared 414 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: with a snool that says you have to put these 415 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: dolphins in perspective to the larger dolphin population. And the 416 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: book goes to put this pod in perspective the genetic 417 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: distance between these dolphins and other like quote unquote common dolphins. 418 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: Dolphins don't get offended. If you're listening, you're all amazing, 419 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: they say they are. The genetic distance is like if 420 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: humans lived in a mixed species society with chimpanzees and gorillas. WHOA, yeah, 421 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: so that's that's a big deal. That's further. That's more 422 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: of a distance than I had imagined. I am outside 423 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: of like the Yangze dolphins in China. I had always 424 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: just thought, yeah, dolphins, you know, they might have some differences, 425 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: but they're more or less on the same vibe. And 426 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: this appears not to be the case. 427 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 3: Does I don't know, Matt any any final thoughts here. 428 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: I think I've said all I have to say about 429 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: this one. It's super interesting. 430 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 2: Well, I just wonder if it's a toy story situation dolphins. 431 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: Dolphins won't let us observe them when they're using their thumbs, 432 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: you know, they know when we're watching, but they're down there. Look, 433 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: it's a water planet, guys, and these dolphins are pretty 434 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: dang smart. 435 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: They sure know well, like I said, at the very least, 436 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 3: even if they're not a prehensile, I guess they could 437 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: serve as sort of a bottle opener type fulcrum, you know, 438 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 3: if there are bones and they're rigid enough. They speaking 439 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: of improvising tools, this would be another type of tool 440 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 3: that could be used, I guess in theory, but I'm 441 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: no dolphin scientist here, but yeah. 442 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: Well, just weirdly enough, I noticed from the pictures the 443 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: hook part is I would categorize it as the hook 444 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 2: is facing backwards. 445 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: That's true, so it wouldn't be as useful as a 446 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: bottle opener. 447 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: You're totally right, all right, but we're thinking in terms 448 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: of human tools. Let's keep that right. 449 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well, I'm thinking in terms of being able 450 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: to hook something on to the dolphin as it travels forward, 451 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 2: which is generally the way the dolphin travels, right, because 452 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: that could be extremely helpful in some instances, right, to 453 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: see what you're saying, imagine to clear away some netting 454 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: or something that's in the way that's blocking other dolphins 455 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: in their pod. 456 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: Wow, you're really thinking big on this one, Matt. That's 457 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: a good point because we know that dolphins are often, 458 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 3: you know, the victim of getting tangled up in here 459 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: garbage like what do you call those these plastic rings 460 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: that cans come in and things like that, or netting 461 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: designed for tuna or other fish. This could potentially allow 462 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: these dolphins to like rescue others or like free themselves. 463 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 3: That's a really good point. 464 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: Theoretically, but not in this particular dolphin. I don't. Well, 465 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: maybe maybe I'm just. 466 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 3: How rigid it is, right, I guess. 467 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: But the hook is kind of backwards for those purposes, right, 468 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: I mean, just at least what I'm seeing here, it 469 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 2: would be difficult unless it moved in a different way. 470 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 3: It is really interestingly hooked though, the little like it 471 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,239 Speaker 3: is a perfect little lip, this thing that we're looking at. 472 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: It's very interesting. 473 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: And it was just cited twice last summer. So I 474 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: don't know the whereabouts of this current dolphin. Now, we 475 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: don't know how these formations occurred. It reminds me the 476 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: conversation about mutation. Additionally, in the world of evolution, if 477 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: a mutation does not it doesn't have to help the 478 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: creature to continue. It just has to not harm the 479 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: creature in a relative way and not impede reproduction. So 480 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me about how humans developed a 481 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: blue eye. So you trace it back and there's like 482 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: one person in the ancient days of modern day Estonia 483 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: blue eyes. They were probably advantageous because you know, they 484 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: were pretty or whatever. It managed not to be burned 485 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: for witchcraft, but that mutation successfully spread and then occurred 486 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: in other parts of the world. I would be very 487 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: interested in just learning more about this dolphin, because we 488 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: have to realize all of the maritime all maritime floor 489 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: in fauna is under intense danger right now, right from 490 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: a number of reasons, including ocean acidification and so on. 491 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: These dolphins were apparently stranded along the coast of Greece 492 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: for like thirty years, according to Alexandros Francis. 493 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: Jeez, yeah, I didn't catch that part. And no, and 494 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: that's also kind of therein lies the I guess, sort 495 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: of gallows humory joke about the idea that the animal 496 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 3: kingdom is coming for us, in particular the maritime ones. 497 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: I think that's what's made most of the headlines, is 498 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: like these orcas trying to you know, capsize fishing vessels, 499 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 3: and that's you know, even the film Orca, you know, 500 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 3: which is sort of a ripoff of Jaws, is very 501 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: much about that, or the idea of Moby Dick, you know, 502 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 3: targeting and coming after Captain Ahab. So, yeah, you're absolutely right. 503 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 3: They really are under serious threat, and perhaps that serious 504 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 3: threat could be enough of an environmental threat that could 505 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 3: cause evolutionary traits, you know, to accelerate. Perhaps, I don't know, 506 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: what do you say we take a quick break here, 507 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: a word from our sponsor, and then come back with 508 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: one more piece of strange news. 509 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: And we have returned. Let's stay in the world of 510 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: all things osceotic, and let's let's let's get into it 511 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: this way with the talk of a continual hobby horse 512 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: of mine. I think all of us who gets to 513 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: name military operations? Who is the person who has the 514 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: job where they say, you know what, let's call it Mockingbird, 515 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: and someone's like, oh, let's call it operation Red Beam, 516 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: and someone goes, no Blue Beam and they're like, damn, 517 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: you're good at this. 518 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: Or if it's outsourced, it ends up being called body 519 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: macboat face. Right, Wasn't that a military vessel that. 520 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: Was crowdsourcing the name of military vessel. I'd like to 521 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: introduce all of us to one of the hottest new 522 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: things in the Red Sea, Operation Prosperity Guardian. Your old 523 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: pal uncle Sam and allies are officially protecting ships in 524 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: the Red Sea from Huti cough cough Iranian attacks. This 525 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: is something that is going to be incredibly important later 526 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: and indeed it's going to lead to some dangerous outcomes. 527 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: Here's what happened. This happened quite recently December twenty twenty 528 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: three as we are recording this. The Huthi Group or 529 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: a Uti group is a proxy military of Raan and 530 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: they are fighting in Yemen. Are They have been launching 531 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: drone attacks and firing things at private shipping vessels going 532 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: through the Strait of Hormuz, in the Red Sea, the 533 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: Gulf of Aden, and so on. The United States reacted 534 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: to this. Finally, the Secretary of Defense, as we record, 535 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: Lloyd Austin, said, We're forming an international maritime security force. 536 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: Who's in this weird justice league the United Kingdom, Bahrain, Canada, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, 537 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: s Chel and Spain and then also some partners who 538 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: asked not to be named, which, yeah, a bit of 539 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: a flag there, my favorite flag. And so this has 540 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: set the world, the international relations world a buzz. This 541 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: also comes on the heels of the newly revealed information 542 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 1: of the conversation between everybody's favorite uncle Uncle GI and 543 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: US President Biden, wherein g basically told Joe, look, I'm 544 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: gonna get Taiwan. Dude, I'm gonna get Taiwan. I don't 545 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: have a timeline on it. I'm a busy guy, but 546 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it. 547 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 3: It will be fine. Oh yes, it will be mine. 548 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: Like like Wayne's thrilled with the guitar. 549 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Gi, probably, I mean obviously heard our episode on 550 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: semiconductors and chips, So I guess he needed to needed 551 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: to make that statement of what we're saying is things 552 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: are becoming increasingly instable the or unstable. The Hooti forces 553 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: have been launching these attacks for quite some time. This 554 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: is not new beans weird time to make a community quote. 555 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: But shout out to anybody who got that reference. 556 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 3: Well, old beans is your thing, so new means yeah. 557 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: New beans is the is the social approval app episode 558 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: of communities with a nice appearance from Tim and Eric. 559 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: So the Houtis have been fighting the Kingdom of Saudi 560 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: Arabia in Yemen since twenty fifteen, and because of the 561 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: complex web of relationships between Saudi Arabia and the West, 562 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: vivisected journalists, notwithstanding the US and Europe typically are going 563 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: to side with Saudi Arabia in these things and supply 564 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: them with infrastructure, military training, all the evil toys of war. 565 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: This is an escalation. This means that the US is 566 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: now verging closer and closer to what we would call 567 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: a hot war, an active conflict. And if this depending 568 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: on how Operation Prosperity Guardian goes, great name, guys, Depending 569 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: on how this goes, we may be looking at a 570 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: situation that escalates quite quickly. It's dangerous stuff and it's 571 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: dangerous water. We don't know what the consequences will be, 572 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: but we know the West needs to do a better 573 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: job reported on it well. 574 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 3: Whose prosperity is being guarded is the question. 575 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: The prosperity being guarded would be that of private and 576 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: state sponsored shipping vessels and the companies that own those 577 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: or the companies that profit from the resources those things transport. 578 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 2: I'm reading through the AP News article you shared with 579 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: this Ben, just trying to like understand it as much 580 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: as I can. The pushback is pretty intense from other countries. 581 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 2: Who are, you know, support in support of countries in 582 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 2: the area other than Israel. 583 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a global choke point. It doesn't 584 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: matter where you live, the economic activity in the Red 585 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: Sea affects you. Kind of like the Strait of Malacca, right, 586 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: which is the reason Singapore has encountered such prosperity. Right now, 587 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: at any point in time, there are somewhere around four 588 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: hundred commercial vessels going through this tie little part of 589 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: the Red Sea. You want to shout out Tara Copp 590 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: and Lolita c. Baldor over AP News for the information here. 591 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: Like you said, they're catching heat because of the US's 592 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: relationship with Israel, and indeed it's quite possible that they 593 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: have more Middle Eastern partners than just Bahrain. But those 594 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: Middle Eastern states want to stay anonymous because they can't 595 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: take the heat of being affiliated with something that might 596 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 1: be in support of Israel. It's a weird game where 597 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: everybody has these contradictory interest these unrelated interests, and everybody 598 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: has agreed, at least in Operation Prosperity Guardian, everyone is 599 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: agreed that their interest aligned on one goal, which is 600 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: to keep the fossil fuel resources flowing through the Red Sea. 601 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: And as we know, when wars actually happen, it's not 602 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: a matter of ideology. It might be dressed up as 603 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: that it might sound good in political speeches and in 604 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: military monologues, but wars are always about resources. So if 605 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: you want to see where a war might start, you 606 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: have to look at stuff like this. And I'm I'm 607 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: just baffled that so much stuff goes through this. Fifteen 608 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: percent of the goods that go into Europe, in the 609 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: Middle East and North Africa go from the Gulf and 610 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: from Asia via sea, and then that's like more than 611 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: twenty percent of refined oil, et cetera, et cetera. There's 612 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot on the line. I don't know. I wanted 613 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: to ask you guys in terms of this kind of stuff. 614 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: Am I crazy for thinking of things like how Operation 615 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: Desert Fox turned into Desert Shield and then escalated into 616 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: the Iraq War? Like? Is that a lot? 617 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 3: I don't think so at all. Oh, I don't think 618 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 3: you're far off the mark at all. 619 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 2: It's just so it's just so weird because it when 620 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 2: we have when we can look back at something like that, right, 621 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 2: it does appear that there are direct American interests at play. 622 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 2: I wonder, I just wonder if you could point to 623 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 2: them directly right now in this you know, what are 624 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 2: the American interests outside of just protecting Israel as one 625 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 2: of the primary goals right as a primary ally, Are 626 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 2: there any other interests that America is playing here besides 627 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 2: just securing trade. 628 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, the domestic economy. Securing trade is one of the 629 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: big things, because it's like picture of the United in 630 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: the world overall. We we've got to picture the United 631 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: States somewhat like rust goal in true detective bad men 632 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: who keep the other bad men from the door. Very 633 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 1: as as the world's current hedgemond, the US has projection 634 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: that no other countries are capable of or willing to match, 635 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: and a great deal of US activity abroad, in theory, 636 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: is meant to ensure global trade stability. That's like all 637 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: they're saying they're doing, even when they get up to 638 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: some shenanigans, which we hear about pretty often from our 639 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists. There are big international companies that have 640 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of heft in the United States, 641 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: like BP British Petroleum, but they're super deep in the States. 642 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: They said they're going to pause all oil shipments through 643 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: the Red Sea due to the deteriorating security in the region, 644 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: and that is huge, not just for the US, not 645 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: just for the United Kingdom, but you know, countries that 646 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: use fossil fuels, which is all of them, Yeah, pretty 647 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: much most of you know. 648 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 3: I can't help but hear the name of this opera 649 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 3: and think about the idea of prosperity theology or prosperity gospel. 650 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 3: It's sort of almost like a buzz term that usually 651 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 3: doesn't mean what you think it means, or it's sort 652 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 3: of like inherent inherently a bit of a grift. I 653 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 3: don't know, maybe I'm just like getting triggered by that term. 654 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 3: But do you have any thoughts around that? The meaning 655 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 3: behind the name? 656 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 1: You know, I've got some speculation. I want to say, 657 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: they're just guarding prosperity. Right, the name at least we're 658 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: talking about the spitoff Ara. The name at least feels 659 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: a little more transparent than names of operations in the past. 660 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: But it's also clearly marketed to be a name that 661 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: everyone can agree with, right, Like, you're not going to 662 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: sign up what you don't guard prosperity? 663 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 3: What do you It seems like a like a like 664 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 3: a no, duh kind of course we should do that. 665 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 3: Everyone needs to prosper right, Why would we not want 666 00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 3: to protect that? 667 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: China said, good luck, they're not participating by the way, ahh, 668 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: I just had to add that part of there. 669 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 3: That's very telling, isn't it. 670 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean it feels like it, but we also have 671 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: to be careful not to you know, read tea leaves 672 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: or make connections that we cannot prove. 673 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, it. 674 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: Does feel indicative of a larger process or phenomenon. Also 675 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: for the Hooty side, they issued a statement and they said, look, 676 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: we'll destroy the coalition fleet. You guys love this quote. 677 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: They said the Red Sea will be your graveyard. So 678 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: they're super not chill about this. 679 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 3: I mean, the Red Sea I've always found to already 680 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 3: have a pretty ominous name, you know, like Sea of Blood. 681 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 2: But we know that won't be true. 682 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 3: Right. 683 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: The navel might that we're talking about here is intense. 684 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the I think it's often easy for people 685 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: who live in the US have not seen the exercise 686 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: of US military acumen. It's easy to forget that they 687 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: can and will reign fire, right, yeah, just the only 688 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: thing stopping them is international norms, sure, right, international norms 689 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: and then consequences with your neighbors. Right, So you've got 690 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: to you've got to be you've got to attempt to 691 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: go through institutions like the UN. The Biden administration already 692 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: wrote to the UN Security Council and said, hey, can 693 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: the UN send somebody in to stop these attacks? And 694 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: the UN said, hey, maybe we'll form a committee to 695 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: see about setting up a meeting or something. And then 696 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: the United States said, yeah, hold my beer. Yeah, I 697 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: think it is I think it is worrying though, because 698 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about air land and sea force projection, and 699 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: what gets lost in these conversations about business, about global stability, 700 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: about the status quo, is that the people of Yemen 701 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: have been faking massacred for years and it didn't matter 702 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: who was president in the US. And it didn't matter, Honestly, 703 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: when it sound cynical, it didn't matter who you voted for. 704 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: Those bombs kept falling. 705 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 3: We don't really do humanitarian stuff unless it benefits us financially, 706 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I'm sorry, that's just the truth, 707 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, even even intervention, you know, against 708 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 3: the Nazis took ages, and it wasn't until it was 709 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 3: like we couldn't not do it, Like public opinion would 710 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 3: not allow us to not intervene. We would have been 711 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 3: on the wrong side of history. These conversations were had. 712 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 3: You know, it's like, I guess we gotta do it, 713 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 3: you know, or it's going to create this problem that 714 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 3: we will have to deal with down the line. You know. 715 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: It's it's all very self serving. 716 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 3: Man, it's so self serving. 717 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: It took a Pearl Harbor to galvanize the isolationist American 718 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: public into World War Two. It took a nine to 719 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: eleven to gather public support of interventions continuing escalating interventions 720 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: in a rock. I mean, I don't know, and that was. 721 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 3: The meal ticket nine eleven, you know, just to like, Okay, 722 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 3: now we will be interventionists, but behind the guys of 723 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 3: this world police situation, we're the good guys. Because that 724 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 3: sort of like created that persona, but that's not really 725 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 3: what we're doing. 726 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and tune in. We've got some episodes about stuff 727 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: like that on the wave, folks. It's deep water. Also, 728 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: I guess, in defense of the Chinese government's calculus, what 729 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: would China gain from becoming a vault in this If 730 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 1: you already have a group of people who say we'll 731 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: do these dirty dishes, do you need to go to 732 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: the sink too? Or you just like what to the 733 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: question about cost benefit, What is to be gained from this? 734 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's tricky. 735 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 3: It is super tricky. Yeah, and Dicky, yeah yeah. 736 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 1: I want us to hear from a fellow conspiracy realist 737 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: who have experience in the Red Sea. You want to 738 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on Operation Prosperity Guardian like it in general, 739 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: the idea that the like these ships should not be 740 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: fired upon. That makes sense. Sure, people working there aren't 741 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: trying to overthrow a government. They're just trying to like 742 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: finish out their tour and then maybe get home and 743 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: eat somewhere that isn't a boat. You know what I mean. 744 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: I get that the people, the civilian population of Yemen 745 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,280 Speaker 1: is just saying, hey, don't you know, please stop dropping 746 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: bombs on us. You know, like this kind of stuff 747 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: happens increasingly, just like the cyber attacks we talked about 748 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: at the top of this show, like the ecoming normalized, 749 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: and that normalization is dangerous. So tell us what you think, 750 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: tell us what you think is next. Tell us whether 751 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: you think there is a hidden hand or some other 752 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: calculus that's not making the news. We did say we 753 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: would try to end on one positive thing, and. 754 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 3: I have another positive thing if I could. 755 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, ahead, you all go, you go. 756 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 3: First, Okay, it is really quickly. I didn't want to 757 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 3: do this as an entire story because we already covered 758 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 3: this and it was just too distressing on so many levels. 759 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 3: And honestly, this story is just it would be a 760 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 3: retreading of that. But one of the main organizers behind 761 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 3: the neo Nazi Satanic sect, Order of Nine Angles, was apprehended, 762 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 3: the alleged mastermind behind the whole thing, and listeners will 763 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 3: probably remember how affecting that was to all of us. 764 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 3: It involved coercion of young people on the Internet into 765 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,799 Speaker 3: videos of self harm, rape, fantasy type stuff, just absolutely 766 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 3: abominable things on discord and telegram. And I believe officers 767 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 3: in Hawaii and Honolulu served a warrant to raid the 768 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 3: home of an individual that is thought to be the 769 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 3: leader of that group, so that person is now in custody. 770 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: Check out our episode several years old now on the 771 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: Order of the Nine Angles. It does hold up. You 772 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: can hear us mention them a couple of different times 773 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: throughout the life of the show. I like that. I'm 774 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,320 Speaker 1: glad to hear. Hopefully justice will be done. Also, AI 775 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: has a gift for you for the holidays, folks. AI 776 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,760 Speaker 1: may just save humanity from superbugs. 777 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 3: That's right, that makes sense modeling type stuff. 778 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: That's right. Scientists are discovering the first new antibiotics in 779 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: apparently over sixty years through partnership with AI. This means 780 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: that one of the ways the world could end. Shout 781 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,399 Speaker 1: out to our buddy Josh Clark our earlier episode on superbugs, 782 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: which is weird post pandemic. This means that there may 783 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: be hope, there may be a way to fight these 784 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: things that are statistically inevitable. And speaking of statistically inevitable, 785 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 1: we hope it is statistically inevitable. That you write in 786 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: with your thoughts, folks, what do you think about the 787 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 1: rise of cyber attacks? Are there more happening more frequently 788 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: or we just more attuned and more likely to pay 789 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: attention to them? What other animals may evolve, how do 790 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: these environmental pressures work and how they drive evolution? And 791 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: then of course tell us about Operation Prosperity Guardian. You're 792 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: very curious. We're easy to find online as well. 793 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,399 Speaker 3: That's right. You can find us that the handle conspiracy 794 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 3: stuff on x YouTube and Facebook, where we have our 795 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 3: Facebook group. Here is where it gets crazy on Instagram 796 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 3: and TikTok. We are conspiracy stuff show. 797 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 2: Hey, Merry Christmas. Why don't you give us a call 798 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 2: one eight three three STYTK. You've got three minutes. It's 799 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,399 Speaker 2: a voicemail system. Please let us know if we can 800 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 2: use your name and message on the air. And why 801 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 2: not give yourself a cool little nickname. 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