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Speaker 1: What's up? Happy Labor Day. Welcome inside the SWBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: Studio to the Talking Cowboys Break. Rob Phillips joined by
Speaker 1: an all star crew. Brian brought us, David Hellman, Nick Eatman,
Speaker 1: Kim Garrison, producing fellas. Hi Tigers, Oh go Tigers. Yeah
Speaker 1: throw that out there. Damn right, let them know. Go Tigers.
Speaker 1: Is Miami back? I don't. Miami's back in the trash
Speaker 1: great uni. So Miami's got some great uniforms. Their uniforms
Speaker 1: are actually made out of trash. Yeah, well they played
Speaker 1: like last night, played like trash. Yeah. Sorry, anyway, go Tigers.
Speaker 1: Hey you went to the game last night? The game?
Speaker 1: Are you out there? Michael Urvin? It was to you,
Speaker 1: to you, to you good game right there, game for
Speaker 1: about a quarter. Yeah. This the field goal man, it's
Speaker 1: get ready of field goal kicker. That's what happens. Your
Speaker 1: fan base is unbelievable. They're just they're they're awesome. We
Speaker 1: we like to have a good time. Yeah, yeah, Brian,
Speaker 1: Brian slipped in a nice little segue there. I saw
Speaker 1: what you were doing. Yeah, that's good. I try to
Speaker 1: help you, Rob, seeing what's going down down the bad
Speaker 1: path of Nobody on this planet wants to talk about
Speaker 1: that game. Nobody listening to this podcast wants to talk
Speaker 1: about You want to talk about the Kicker? They do?
Speaker 1: And let's talk about the Kicker, y'all. We are in
Speaker 1: week one officially, even though it's a holiday today. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett just not for us and not for not for
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. He's gonna address the media at in an
Speaker 1: hour two pm Central time, So it's a primer for that.
Speaker 1: And boy, we've got a little question for coach Garrett
Speaker 1: that we need to address over the next hour. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up with with Dan Bailey? What's up with the
Speaker 1: Kicker situation? Why did they do what they did? Does
Speaker 1: anybody here know that? Like does it? I don't think
Speaker 1: they know that? Yeah? Great point. I mean, okay, another question.
Speaker 1: You don't have to. I don't want to put y'all
Speaker 1: on the spot, but I mean, this is my sixth year, Rob,
Speaker 1: this is like your tenth year. You've been here forever?
Speaker 1: You yetimes is that? I mean that ranks up there
Speaker 1: for me is maybe the most shocking thing that this
Speaker 1: team has done in my time. I don't maybe, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's not up there with Maybe it's
Speaker 1: not up there with Quincy Carter. But they didn't get
Speaker 1: rid of him. He got hurt. I mean that was
Speaker 1: didn't play him ever again. Whatever, you know what out
Speaker 1: of nowhere like a guillotine. They just dropped the knife
Speaker 1: and was the biggest surprise that I can remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I joking only said something was it?
Speaker 1: Do you like earlier in the day, like what if
Speaker 1: they cut Bailey and you're like, shut up? Or may
Speaker 1: it was you? I remember saying, I've been talking to yourself.
Speaker 1: I do that a lot. But if you're talking Shannon,
Speaker 1: was you're office, you were talking to yourself. I don't
Speaker 1: think you said that to anybody. Didn't accept yourself. Because
Speaker 1: like when it came down, when word got around that
Speaker 1: this was going to shot, we were all like, what
Speaker 1: logical sense does this? Man? I got a text. Remember
Speaker 1: we're all sitting there. I got a text. I said
Speaker 1: they're thinking about cutting Dan Bailey. Yeah, and we all
Speaker 1: kind of looked each other the front door. Yeah, Nick
Speaker 1: threw up into his hands. My wife says to her
Speaker 1: kids in class fourth grade. Shut the front door. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay. It's better than the alternative. That's because the
Speaker 1: door's open like that. Yeah, you word got out. And
Speaker 1: I know everybody here was shocked. And I can't I'm
Speaker 1: with Nick, I can't recall roster move other than like
Speaker 1: Quincy Carter, which wasn't a final cuts move. That was
Speaker 1: that was always live that one. It shocked everybody. It
Speaker 1: shocked me. The fact when when Larry Laswell told me that,
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, we just cut our starting quarterback. And
Speaker 1: I go what, he goes, we just cut our starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Quitcy. He goes, Yep, he's out of here.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, but yeah, that was the Dan
Speaker 1: Bailey one. Because and I think Nick, he made an
Speaker 1: excellent point on Twitter, and I applaud him for an
Speaker 1: excellent tweet. Because if there was a if there was
Speaker 1: really a competition, you know, why didn't we see a competition?
Speaker 1: If if if Dan Billy was kicking for his job,
Speaker 1: why why didn't Dan Billy get the opportunity to kick
Speaker 1: for his job? It doesn't That's that's it in a
Speaker 1: nutshell right there. It doesn't make any sense because if
Speaker 1: he goes out and hits a fifty seven yard kick
Speaker 1: against Houston, yeah, everybody's feeling good about Dan even then
Speaker 1: they're like, you know what, Okay, he's back, he's good.
Speaker 1: He never even got the chance to do that. Now.
Speaker 1: The only question that I have, and no one can
Speaker 1: answer this for me, did he want to kick? You know? Sometimes?
Speaker 1: Did he want the competition? No one has told me
Speaker 1: either way. That's the only thing I can think of
Speaker 1: that maybe he didn't really want that. The reports are
Speaker 1: that he's in New York to try out visit with
Speaker 1: the Jets, So there's competition right there. Yeah, I mean Chargers,
Speaker 1: another team use a kicker. Yeah. The fun thing for
Speaker 1: me is like, you know, we're smart, we're plugged in.
Speaker 1: God for yourself. Thanks, well, we did go to LSU,
Speaker 1: but we're plugged in. Then the there are other people
Speaker 1: that are plugged in, Like around this beat, there are
Speaker 1: people that know what's going on. And at some point
Speaker 1: in the six weeks since we started these practices, all
Speaker 1: the way back in July, don't you think they were like,
Speaker 1: can't you just see like the report that like, you know, oh,
Speaker 1: like Cowboys, the depth charted the kicker position might not
Speaker 1: be as settled as you think it is. Like the
Speaker 1: cowboys are, you know, they're kind of impressed by this
Speaker 1: Brett Maher kid like, nothing like that ever happened. It was.
Speaker 1: I mean, Bailey kicked every other day, which has been
Speaker 1: his schedule for years, to rest his leg, and Maher
Speaker 1: got you know, he had his own days. How do
Speaker 1: you pronounce the kicker's name? How do you pronounce it? Maher? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: if it was a real Trey Man told me, mar See,
Speaker 1: that's my point. If it was a real competition, wouldn't
Speaker 1: we would know? Yeah, yeah, this was really a battle.
Speaker 1: I felt better when Todd Archer tweeted Todd Archer of
Speaker 1: ESPN Dallas that he did what I did. And that's
Speaker 1: when it was Maher's chance to kick in practice every
Speaker 1: day for three weeks in ox and Hard Watch. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean I might watch, but I didn't chart it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I charted by every day because especially after you know,
Speaker 1: Brian and I did a point counterpoint first weekend ox
Speaker 1: Nard after two days where he struggled and okay, is
Speaker 1: it time to hit the panic button? Right? Well, he
Speaker 1: righted himself. They didn't go out and look for other competition,
Speaker 1: and I think everybody felt like this guy was signed.
Speaker 1: This guy was a puncher as well in practice, he's
Speaker 1: got to spell. Bailey's there to spell Chris Jones. Oh, hey,
Speaker 1: trust me. Maybe that fifty seven yard or at Houston
Speaker 1: the other night. Yeah, but it was just a forty
Speaker 1: what something forty seven eight yard kick in San Francisco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And so you're sitting there thinking, But I'm
Speaker 1: with Nick, if if, if there was a competition, I
Speaker 1: never saw it. Yeah, And this could very well come
Speaker 1: down to whether you believe it or not. This could
Speaker 1: come down to just absolute confidence in Dan Bailey as
Speaker 1: a kicker. Yeah, I really mean that's what they're That's
Speaker 1: what they're saying. I mean, I don't money. No, it's
Speaker 1: coming down to they do not want to go through
Speaker 1: what they went through last December when Bailey came back,
Speaker 1: which is totally fine, but like that, that's I just
Speaker 1: made the dumbest noise ever because I can't even articulate.
Speaker 1: We never saw that thought process play out on the
Speaker 1: football field, Like and you think it was money. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I hope it's not, because if it is,
Speaker 1: that that's gonna piss me off. What are they saving
Speaker 1: their money? They don't need, they don't need, they don't
Speaker 1: need caps. They had fifteen million on Saturday. This would
Speaker 1: bothers me too. And this would bother me if I
Speaker 1: miss Jason Garrett. I keep talking about Garrett wanting to
Speaker 1: get everybody in here that can help him win games.
Speaker 1: If he's part of this decision. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we're Week four and they blow one against Detroit. You
Speaker 1: know that's on Garrett, that's on the staff, that's on
Speaker 1: the front office. This kid was pretty good in the CFL.
Speaker 1: That's what you That's what we're going into the season with.
Speaker 1: Pretty good CFL kickers never made a kick in the
Speaker 1: NFL before. Here's the thing, long, wait, wait, excuse, are
Speaker 1: you wrong about Dan Bailey? Is are we seeing there?
Speaker 1: We seeing the end of Dan Bailey. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's always it's the nick fole, that nick fole, the nile.
Speaker 1: We could be but we don't know. That's the thing
Speaker 1: that I don't understand because and actually you remember we
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot. He had two practices in
Speaker 1: Oxnard where we all doesn't started watching. He was pretty three.
Speaker 1: He missed from like the three yard line. He missed
Speaker 1: four kicks in two days and it was like a
Speaker 1: five alarm fire, but he settled in and I don't
Speaker 1: believe he missed another kick the rest of camp, or
Speaker 1: if he did, it was one one out of like
Speaker 1: what twenty five and he missed He made his only
Speaker 1: attempt in preseason, which does That's what doesn't get I
Speaker 1: don't understand is how how long we're gonna ask these
Speaker 1: questions we're gonna find out like how to get an
Speaker 1: answer you think we'll see not a satisfactor this big?
Speaker 1: This is my question, Like how long did they have
Speaker 1: the idea of Brett Maher in mind, because in hindsight,
Speaker 1: you're letting him kick five times in preseason as opposed
Speaker 1: to one for Bailey, Like we're all along. Were they thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: let's we need to see what this guy can do
Speaker 1: in a game situation. Or did it come down to
Speaker 1: the last game and they said okay, Because if if
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey's not kicking in preseason, that told me and
Speaker 1: I think everybody else, oh he's there guy. They feel
Speaker 1: good about that. They don't need to see him. Oh hey,
Speaker 1: I got reminded of it. You ever getting reminded of
Speaker 1: tweets from people. The people. Yeah eight three, twenty eighteen. Uh,
Speaker 1: mayor mar as a strong doesn't have as strong as
Speaker 1: like as Bailey. That was kind of a just observation
Speaker 1: I made, you know, somebody asked me a question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, he just doesn't. It doesn't look it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like the boss coming off his foot as well.
Speaker 1: And so I mean it's just some observation of practice
Speaker 1: and you know, hearing now the guy makes the team
Speaker 1: makes a fifty seven yard field goal. But I just
Speaker 1: I never, I never thought that Dan Bailey's job was
Speaker 1: in jeopardy. Nope, I never. I mean, anybody, Nick and
Speaker 1: I got yelled at for, you know, implying that, you know,
Speaker 1: there was other reasons why Dan Bailey was struggling, you know, right,
Speaker 1: And you know we got ripped for that within the organization.
Speaker 1: And I mean, like, okay, we'll tell me, give me
Speaker 1: a reason. Then give me a reason. Now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the guys gone give your reason. This is
Speaker 1: an interesting point that I thought of though, which you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this all the time, Like these guys
Speaker 1: are people away from football too, with their own problems
Speaker 1: and their own issues that they sort through just like
Speaker 1: we do. And one thing that I would say is,
Speaker 1: I mean behind the scenes, we're not in those meetings.
Speaker 1: We're not part of that. And if if a special
Speaker 1: teams coach too, if a guy doesn't have it from
Speaker 1: a mental aspect, maybe you noticed that you know what
Speaker 1: you do, and that's maybe you maybe you pick up
Speaker 1: the reason they're gonna gets the reason they're gonna give you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I doubt they would say that. Well, not
Speaker 1: not the hit coach. See like if I'm McKell McKay
Speaker 1: or Katie Cannon or some receiver, and they might got
Speaker 1: cut said you know, I didn't get enough reps or
Speaker 1: I didn't get this, And that's probably the case. And
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. Those guys haven't really
Speaker 1: earned those the reps to go out there and do that.
Speaker 1: But Dan Bailey has Bailey has earned the right if
Speaker 1: he's if he's got a confidence problem, he deserves the
Speaker 1: right to go to a game and miss and like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not hurt anymore. This truly is a problem. But
Speaker 1: we never got a chance to see Dan Bailey missus
Speaker 1: or Brett Maherr missing. What do you mean missing? I mean,
Speaker 1: which do you feel better? I mean, you don't feel
Speaker 1: good about any of missing, but I mean would you
Speaker 1: rather Dan Bailey try? And I worked out like Nick saying,
Speaker 1: I think we've I agree with him. Think we said
Speaker 1: it all the way through the preseason. It's like and
Speaker 1: even even the week that he was struggling in Oxnard,
Speaker 1: I didn't see enough of a drop off to where
Speaker 1: I was worried about him, you know, like I still
Speaker 1: thought of him as rock solid. Yeah, And somebody tweeted
Speaker 1: me the Nick Foles comparison that you brought up, Brian
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. Folk, I'm Nick Folk starting for
Speaker 1: Philly on Thursday. Yeah, he's ahead, He's a super bow
Speaker 1: quarterback guy. Yeah. Nick Folk was cut in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine after they beat New Orleans on the road,
Speaker 1: that big win. That was the middle of a playoff race, right,
Speaker 1: and they decide, all right, we gotta cut base. We're
Speaker 1: trying to make a playoff right here. They went the
Speaker 1: entire off season with Dan Bailey saying he's okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's okay, And they brought in a guy who no
Speaker 1: disrespect to him. He's never had a kick in the
Speaker 1: NFL regular season right, So they didn't go for tryouts,
Speaker 1: they didn't go that route, right. Apparently this guy just
Speaker 1: impressed the hell out of it. And I respect the
Speaker 1: coaching staff's opinion. They, like Dave said, they know more
Speaker 1: than us. They're around the players more than sure. But
Speaker 1: we did watch virtually every practice. Yeah, and I didn't
Speaker 1: see it art difference. Yeah. And you started having to
Speaker 1: pay attention to kicking because of the two days where
Speaker 1: Bailey was awful. Yeah, so all of a sudden, now
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips's charting and Todd Archer's chart every charting kicks,
Speaker 1: which we never did. You kind of didn't have to
Speaker 1: back in the day. Yeah. Do you think the kickoffs
Speaker 1: have anything to do with this? I mean, do you
Speaker 1: the new kickoff rule that if you don't, you know,
Speaker 1: smash it out of the end zone, then it's gonna
Speaker 1: be you know, you have a chance for bigger returns.
Speaker 1: Do you think this has anything to do with that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if this other guy is
Speaker 1: a better kickoff. That's a good question. But I don't
Speaker 1: have a great and I don't need I hate when
Speaker 1: I have a bad answer. Well, that's a good question
Speaker 1: for two PM. Yeah, I mean, that's that's that is
Speaker 1: a good question. Maybe yeah, maybe, I mean, what how
Speaker 1: many times you're gonna kick off in a give an
Speaker 1: NFL game, like five to eight? Yeah, yeah, you hope,
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe you know, with Dan's injury history, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a strain that if somebody he might not hold
Speaker 1: up to, if they come out and tell us it's
Speaker 1: a confidence issue. Okay. Can you picture Jason Garrett saying
Speaker 1: though I can't. We just didn't trust him anymore. Okay,
Speaker 1: if he maybe waves us off. Yeah, he's turning those
Speaker 1: I think they need to rethink this Monday afternoon press
Speaker 1: conference on you know, we we go to the training
Speaker 1: camp and he talks every single day in practice. He
Speaker 1: then he talks again in the walk off, and then
Speaker 1: it all comes down. Everything you're seeing comes down to
Speaker 1: this September two, Saturday, Like they finally cut thirty six
Speaker 1: guys and then it's just silent for two days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I don't esupposedly want to cut like this. Most
Speaker 1: of the teams in the league got a conference call
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Now, Yeah, so really, yeah that would be good.
Speaker 1: That's what they should do. And you making people mad.
Speaker 1: I didn't like seeing that email, just Dan Bailey Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: like among thirty six cuts. I just think he deserved
Speaker 1: better than that, and we just is a captain, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you cut a cat. You're right, you cut a captain
Speaker 1: from your team in a Pro Bowl? Was a captain too? Right?
Speaker 1: Come on, we're just throwing shade at everybody. You're just
Speaker 1: feeling feeling feeling good because the Tigers got the win. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not, And I don't think that Garrett talked about it.
Speaker 1: Right then? Did he send out a release did he
Speaker 1: say we're you know, we appreciate everything that Orlando. No,
Speaker 1: So okay, that's the way it is. Then it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a head scratcher man because just think
Speaker 1: of I mean, look this team. He's fighting to win games.
Speaker 1: That's that's and that's why which a guy. He's fighting
Speaker 1: to win games and he cut a Pro Bowl. That's
Speaker 1: the most accurate. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Everything is going against him. You know, if I've told people,
Speaker 1: if I was him, I would be in Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: office every day, ask him about rural Thomas. I'd be
Speaker 1: there every day, which, hey, maybe you know to go
Speaker 1: back to my point, maybe the flip side it. Maybe
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, it's been in the last six weeks
Speaker 1: with Dan. Maybe they're just convinced that he doesn't have
Speaker 1: it anymore, and they go like a baseball pitcher, they
Speaker 1: are bound to have a more informed opinion than we are,
Speaker 1: and they see a twenty eight year old guy who
Speaker 1: maybe he's on the upswing, just who just nailed a
Speaker 1: nearly sixty yard or in preseason. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: think about thought process exactly. He's twenty eight, twenty, he's
Speaker 1: been in CFL most of his career. Actually went to
Speaker 1: camp right here in thirteen and he was Bailey's reserve guy.
Speaker 1: He was there to keep Bailey from having a kick
Speaker 1: all all the time. Yeah, it's great. I always thought
Speaker 1: if they had to make a move at kicker and
Speaker 1: replace Dan Bailey, we would have a tryout of like
Speaker 1: four guys that have been through the league. We've seen
Speaker 1: this before, We did it last year when he was hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. It's harder to replace him or Witten.
Speaker 1: And I mean, m I just give an idea for
Speaker 1: I'm hard. Jason Witten is going to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: But it was not obviously not down the second half
Speaker 1: of last season, but for most of the seven years
Speaker 1: he was here, Scott Linehan used to say he'd sit
Speaker 1: on the bench, they'd make adjustment to sit down, you know,
Speaker 1: and he would they send the field goal team out.
Speaker 1: He knew they were gonna get three points. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They just immediate every he starts, they start
Speaker 1: their little talks with the quarterbacks because they new three
Speaker 1: points was gonna be up on the board from fifty five.
Speaker 1: And then you get on the other side of that
Speaker 1: star is at and t that thing's going home. That's
Speaker 1: exactly so. All due respect to Jason Witten, but that
Speaker 1: is a hell of a nice thing to have in
Speaker 1: your back pocket. But it wasn't the case last half
Speaker 1: of last year. Right missed five field goals, two extra points.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, I'm trying to rationalize what's happening. Puts
Speaker 1: on a tie. He can feel us, okay, Scrob McClay.
Speaker 1: Every year, Brian is feeling it, today's feeling it. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to. I'm trying to work us through this. There's
Speaker 1: no logical answer. Is do I think it's a risk? Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: especially because you're going to play a good football team
Speaker 1: on the road this week, and how many games in
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's career have been decided by I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: look that up and I'm gonna tweet that out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I think is worth bringing up
Speaker 1: to is like Brett Maher has done nothing wrong. Whatever,
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out this week. He has done nothing wrong.
Speaker 1: He has done what all football players dream of doing,
Speaker 1: which is like play well enough to earn a roster spot.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like people are going to
Speaker 1: be against this guy because of what the Cowboys did.
Speaker 1: It's not his fault. It's the same thing with those
Speaker 1: tight ends. Yeah, I'm swaying those guys. None of those
Speaker 1: guys could play worth the damn because Jason least Jason
Speaker 1: wit and retired. Imagine if they just cut him because
Speaker 1: they felt good about Swainmore. Uh So, I'm I am
Speaker 1: now rooting for it for Brett because there's gonna be
Speaker 1: so what's going on The first time Garon's gonna go
Speaker 1: for it? Like the first time this twenty four yard
Speaker 1: field goal is like, Okay, he's good. Unless this guy
Speaker 1: hits his first ten in a row all through the
Speaker 1: season like his. I mean, if his first miss is
Speaker 1: in the first three weeks of the season, like as
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey twenty four yard miss San Francisco, he misses
Speaker 1: a Yeah, that's true if he misses from like but
Speaker 1: Dan had a chance to redeem himself later in the game.
Speaker 1: He was gonna get cut if he didn't get that chance.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven twenty seven yard field goal or freaking thirty
Speaker 1: five yard field goal shanked left and like week one
Speaker 1: in a tie game at Carolina, it sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be It's gonna be four guys working out
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Oh yeah, Dan Bailey was gonna be one.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't we all think he's gonna have
Speaker 1: a job fairly quickly? He's working out. He's working out
Speaker 1: with the Jets today. Job. Yeah, you know what, that's
Speaker 1: a really good point. Yeah, this is a good many
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Speaker 1: Bailey news that took up twenty one minutes the first show.
Speaker 1: You got some other news. You want to do that
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Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven is the number if
Speaker 1: you want to sound off on Dan Bailey getting cut
Speaker 1: or anything the Cowboys have done. Roster wise so far
Speaker 1: got some roster moose today, Davey, Right, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: were the one that reported that stuff. Yeah, Noah Brown
Speaker 1: is going to IR Yes, thought that was gonna happen,
Speaker 1: didn't we Yeah, we did. Deontay Thompson is coming back.
Speaker 1: So that's that very I mean, you had to keep
Speaker 1: Noah Brown on the fifty three in order to recall
Speaker 1: him later if you want to. So I would guess
Speaker 1: that they kind of told Deontay, hey, hang out in
Speaker 1: Fristco for a day or two and you'll be back
Speaker 1: for practice. Um, so he's back. And then Darius Jackson,
Speaker 1: who was put on the practice squad is now a
Speaker 1: member of the Green Bay Packers. They put them on
Speaker 1: their fifty three. Happy for him. And now Bo Scarborough
Speaker 1: is back on the practice squad here. So all right,
Speaker 1: So that's eight spots filled, I believe on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: Jordan Chun another running back, probably put a kicker one
Speaker 1: you could you're just on one today? Oh I just
Speaker 1: who did they bring bank? Drace Anderson as Lenoir, Yes,
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper, yeah, every o. There's a list of eight guys.
Speaker 1: I don't recall them all. By the hero Dres Anderson. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know he was Flipper Anderson's kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: until Brad and I were doing the game today. Amazing
Speaker 1: down the stretch. Now there's there's an example of a
Speaker 1: guy who comes in. We're like, we're a week into camp,
Speaker 1: maybe two weeks into camp, gets a workout and plays
Speaker 1: well enough to get himself a practice squad job. Okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. You're looking at you're looking at you're
Speaker 1: looking at working at Low's, you know, or a home depot,
Speaker 1: one of those places. You know it can help you
Speaker 1: find some paint, ma'am. No, now you're gonna be catching balls.
Speaker 1: It's Dres Anderson, Jake Campos, the offensive lineman, Jordan Chunu,
Speaker 1: Bo Scarborough, now Lance Lenore, Donovan Alumba, Kyle Quero, and
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper. I'll tell you what, maybe the most important
Speaker 1: guy on that practice squad right now is Alumba because
Speaker 1: they're only carrying four corners. Cornerback carrying four corners. So
Speaker 1: unless somebody out there magically appears, he's here's your guy.
Speaker 1: If you get a hamstring or one of these crazy
Speaker 1: things we have happened to these corners. He's now playing.
Speaker 1: He's your fifth or your here's your guy in you
Speaker 1: know you said it, Um, you said it several times, Brian.
Speaker 1: About the one thing this team can't do, any GM
Speaker 1: or coach can't do is fall in love with their
Speaker 1: own team. And maybe that's right. They didn't fall in
Speaker 1: love with Dan Bay, didn't. I mean, when you think
Speaker 1: about it, they didn't do that. They actually, you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't fall in love with the guys like bow
Speaker 1: Scarborough or anything like. There you go. Now he didn't
Speaker 1: come back. But I mean, nobody signed anybody except for
Speaker 1: now Darius Jackson, but nobody claimed any of those players
Speaker 1: at all, um until Jackson. So that just kind of
Speaker 1: goes to show that other teams weren't falling in love
Speaker 1: with them either. Well, but didn't I believe I saw
Speaker 1: this was our thirty eight someone I saw a tweet
Speaker 1: thirty eight players league wide got claimed thirty nine. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so you know that's a lot. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: a that's kind of a low number for a lot
Speaker 1: of waves. That's and eleven by the top two guy
Speaker 1: teams in the claiming order in New York and Cleveland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talk a lot. We talk about every year. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're always there's always some guy you're in love with. Wow,
Speaker 1: you can't cut Lands or in Scarborough. Rico gathers. Rico gathers, is,
Speaker 1: but if you look at our cut to fifty three,
Speaker 1: who's the fifty third player we had? Rico gathers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get into that well, just really quickly. I just
Speaker 1: I like, I applaud them for I don't know if
Speaker 1: outside the box thinking is the right way to say it,
Speaker 1: but you know, I even you know, I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: trying to make the roster. I'm like, well, you gotta
Speaker 1: have three running backs in the NFL, you don't, uh,
Speaker 1: and you know whatever, We'll cut Darius and Bow and
Speaker 1: whichever one of them gets claimed, we'll bring another one back.
Speaker 1: It's fine. We don't need to crowd up our roster
Speaker 1: with a guy we don't actually need, especially if you
Speaker 1: you hope they're never gonna play anyway, my opinion, you
Speaker 1: have four because you have uh, half of a running
Speaker 1: back with jama'z Olawally and Tavon Austin has a sixty
Speaker 1: career carries not that's a good point for you. That's
Speaker 1: a good point. Yeah. Yeah, So no need to I
Speaker 1: mean that was a possibility if you're going to carry
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks, four tight ends, nine offensive line, nine offensive lineman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what what do they do? They went out,
Speaker 1: they traded for an offensive lineman. They claimed an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: So you're three backup lineman on Sunday or three players
Speaker 1: that were not here last year, and two of them
Speaker 1: aren't even here last week, right, Yeah, if you think
Speaker 1: about Anger and Redman and then he had Fleming and Fleming, yeah,
Speaker 1: those are your backups for this game. Yeah, and Kadeem
Speaker 1: Edwards cut yesterday to make room for You're probably be
Speaker 1: a practice squad guy. Yeah, Brian, if you got and
Speaker 1: take a look at the two those two lines, Yeah, yeah, Anger,
Speaker 1: I have a why Anger So reports up on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com, and then this afternoon I'll have Redman's report,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what. My initial thing about Redman
Speaker 1: is that if you think about what Marcus Martin could
Speaker 1: have been here as the backup swing guard tackle, this
Speaker 1: guy primarily just plays as a center. But he's a
Speaker 1: better center than what Marcus Martin was here. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so but he's a he's a lighter guy, he's a
Speaker 1: more athletic guy. They I see why they signed this
Speaker 1: guy because he's he's he's got scheme fit to him.
Speaker 1: He's a puller, he's a reacher, he's a you know,
Speaker 1: he's a second level guy. He's a getting the way blocker.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna sit there and hammer you off the line,
Speaker 1: but he can when you have to cut the defense
Speaker 1: in half, get to the second level and turn it
Speaker 1: back in kind of give the back a chance to
Speaker 1: make a cut of This guy can do that. So
Speaker 1: I you know, when you look at him and anger
Speaker 1: those guys, I me they got better. The whole idea
Speaker 1: was to get better than coldeem Edwards, and I think
Speaker 1: they've done that with the guys that they've put on
Speaker 1: this roster now. So that's good. And I think it
Speaker 1: condeem Edwards to the practice squad. That's good. Then he
Speaker 1: can continue to work development, hopefully get stronger, and then
Speaker 1: you know, maybe down the line you can you can
Speaker 1: put him in line because he he wasn't terrible. He
Speaker 1: was good. Listen. He went from being a guy last
Speaker 1: year that was an immediate cut to a guy that
Speaker 1: was on your fifty three man roster. So that that
Speaker 1: shows you made a little progress there. Um, can we
Speaker 1: talk a little bit of Frederick? They so far they
Speaker 1: have not done anything with Travis Frederick. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to talk to Garrett about that when this thing kicks off,
Speaker 1: which I mean he probably I don't think they still know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm curious because they're gambling here. It's it's a lot
Speaker 1: like Tony Romo is, well, the longer you leave him
Speaker 1: off of IR or the longer it is till you
Speaker 1: can bring him back. Um, So, like you said, gamble
Speaker 1: or maybe they feel really optimistic, but how many weeks
Speaker 1: can you afford to carry a guy that can contribute eight? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess so. I mean if you're if you're willing,
Speaker 1: if you're willing to, if you're willing, you mean up
Speaker 1: to eight weeks. If he goes past eight weeks, now
Speaker 1: you're now you're going to think about, Okay, what do
Speaker 1: we need because they'll be right around the by, right,
Speaker 1: but what I kind of they might need a guy
Speaker 1: or something like that, one of those things. But it's
Speaker 1: still might need a spot for David Irving here in
Speaker 1: four weeks if things don't approve. Yeah, it's it's just
Speaker 1: dicey to think about carrying a guy on the fifty
Speaker 1: three who has no chance to help you. What about
Speaker 1: Dayton Jones? They carrying him as well for the time being. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really really thought. I mean, I've been told that Brian
Speaker 1: Price is a guy that could be He was cut yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah for the for for those two moves that we
Speaker 1: just talked about. We haven't really talked about the safety yet.
Speaker 1: Abraham Abraham Ibrahim. Yeah, Campbell, I'll tell you what though.
Speaker 1: He had a good game against the Cowboys on thus
Speaker 1: to night. Like Brad and I called his name quite
Speaker 1: a bit, kind of a strong safety build. Nick Northwestern
Speaker 1: been a couple of different spots. Fourth round pick by
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. I started some games and he has
Speaker 1: started some games at five two fifteen. He's a thick
Speaker 1: looking guy and he will come and hit you. Now,
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I was impressed. But you know,
Speaker 1: Houston played him as some single high stuff. You think,
Speaker 1: you think, oh, maybe he's just a strong safety banger guy.
Speaker 1: They played him some deep and he there was a
Speaker 1: couple of times where I remember the ball going inside
Speaker 1: the slant that was dropped by Gallup. Remember that in
Speaker 1: the game where they threw the slant inside and gallop
Speaker 1: just I mean Campbell was on the fly to try
Speaker 1: and get there and make the play. So you know
Speaker 1: he's got some He's got some understanding of where he
Speaker 1: needs to fit in, like some zone drops and things.
Speaker 1: You could see him cover some ground. I think I
Speaker 1: was most impressed by his ability to hit. I mean
Speaker 1: I saw a big body coming inside and wrapping guys
Speaker 1: up and tackling in a good way. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: a little bit more than you know, always get on
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods of not being a tackler. This guy is
Speaker 1: a tackler. No more are we going to say that
Speaker 1: this fourth preseason game is meaningless if that guy is
Speaker 1: doing something that caught the Cowboys. I obviously the kicker
Speaker 1: just made a fifty seven yard I think that affected things.
Speaker 1: Things happened in the fourth game. But it's not for everybody.
Speaker 1: But there are some Sure does any other surprises that
Speaker 1: came out of the cuts? I mean, we were and
Speaker 1: four we keep saying that. I'll tell you what though,
Speaker 1: I should say this surprise. He outplayed Dalton Schultz. He
Speaker 1: did outplay Dalton Schultz. Dalton Schultz wasn't as good as
Speaker 1: he needed to be. All the way around, or just
Speaker 1: as a pass catcher. I think all the way around.
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz really didn't do anything blocking. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there was some liability there with him blocking. I did
Speaker 1: not see that same player day that we watched in
Speaker 1: the draft show that you know, we talked about Will Disley,
Speaker 1: the guy from Washington, really good blocker, and Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: really good blocker, the guy Ian Thomas right that the
Speaker 1: Dolphins getting the Indiana kid. Yeah, Carolina, Carolina see him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I knew it was a heel, kind of
Speaker 1: a jersey close enough, but you know it's kind of
Speaker 1: one of those things where you're sitting there going, Okay,
Speaker 1: well they have a chance to grab him, could they?
Speaker 1: You know, he was he went in like the third round,
Speaker 1: third round. But I'm just saying, though, when we were
Speaker 1: talking tight end, yeah, no, I mean we were talking
Speaker 1: about blocking when you were talking about him. Jason Witten
Speaker 1: has not even hadn't even decided to retire though, you
Speaker 1: know if you go back and sometimes that happens. But
Speaker 1: like the draft, the narrative around the draft was that,
Speaker 1: you know, he went to Stanford, he's ready made. He's
Speaker 1: not going to take long to adjust. You sound like
Speaker 1: me talking to I know, I'd say me was everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people who thought he was
Speaker 1: like the sneaky, most intriguing draft prospect. Well cameraon me,
Speaker 1: Kent didn't work out that way. But the the the
Speaker 1: thing with the Cowboys is I don't. I don't. This
Speaker 1: is not a knock on the Cowboys because I agree
Speaker 1: with it. He's a fourth round pick. He's right, he's
Speaker 1: a talented guy, and he's smart. He needs to as
Speaker 1: opposed to Rico, he needs to he may need a year,
Speaker 1: he needs time, he needs to bulk up, he needs
Speaker 1: to practice, and all that good stuff. I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to pull the plug on him. And I don't blame
Speaker 1: the count Rico. I'll play in the roster. That's fine.
Speaker 1: So you keep four, You keep four, and you say
Speaker 1: we really need bo Scarborough. Yeah, now I'm green with
Speaker 1: you on that. So there you go. So and it
Speaker 1: worked out okay, honestly, sorry Nick, but we went over Bailey.
Speaker 1: That's surprising to me. But everything I really like everything
Speaker 1: else that they've done. You know that you bringing it
Speaker 1: about safety with some starting experience. I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: pull the plug on the Mic White experiment quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: like lottery tickets. What about the backup spot? I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like that situation. But I
Speaker 1: said that a week ago. If you didn't like, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to do something about your backup quarterback, you
Speaker 1: needed to do it in March, Like why don't go
Speaker 1: sign Teddy Bridgewater to a one year deal or Robert
Speaker 1: Griffin whatever. But trying to do something now, it's the
Speaker 1: bed is made for me. I don't care. Well. I mean,
Speaker 1: unless there's a young guy that's been cut that's out
Speaker 1: there that you'd like it, say it. I'm down to
Speaker 1: bring on Paxton Lynch or O'Connor cook to work out.
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not just gonna sign him, sign him
Speaker 1: sight unseen. Youin't claim those guys. It's not another one
Speaker 1: that got cut. Um Davis Webb. Yes, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: So I'm just I would just way there. I would
Speaker 1: like the way those guys come work out. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't like the world on fire? How
Speaker 1: about the Giants? About the Giants telling you that Davis
Speaker 1: Webb was a reason why they were going to draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback at two, Yeah, how about that so much
Speaker 1: for that? Ye didn't David's Webb the gain that started
Speaker 1: in Brooke Eli Manning Street for one game? One game
Speaker 1: that was Geno wasn't I know You're right? It was,
Speaker 1: You're right. Da Webb was there. He was right, he
Speaker 1: was Gino Smith. Do you have a thought on rec
Speaker 1: even worse? Yeah? I think, um, I mean all along.
Speaker 1: I mean, Rico needs to practice, He needs to be
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. I don't think anyone thought he
Speaker 1: could get there. Well, you know, when you spend the
Speaker 1: Saturday morning of cut day in jail to start the day,
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance you can clear waivers
Speaker 1: and go to the practice squad while the team is meeting.
Speaker 1: I mean team was here and yeah, at noontime. It's
Speaker 1: like this change things because Stephen Jones says the day before,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's probably gonna make it. I don't
Speaker 1: think I agree with you for the and honestly, what
Speaker 1: has really changed from three years ago when thirty one
Speaker 1: teams sent somebody to his workout at Baylor. It's quite
Speaker 1: a big number. Never played football before thirty one. People
Speaker 1: wanted to see him, and he's done nothing to dispel
Speaker 1: that intrigue. Yeah, I mean, and I mean, okay, the arrest.
Speaker 1: You never want to get arrested, But like that's not
Speaker 1: going to scare off NFL teams. They'd take on way
Speaker 1: worse people than guys who have pot on them. So
Speaker 1: I just I whatever, I don't. I think you probably
Speaker 1: lose him if you cut him. And not only are
Speaker 1: they so intrigued by his potential, but I think they're
Speaker 1: terrified of what he could be somewhere else. I think
Speaker 1: that's part of it too. Yeah, honestly, can I give
Speaker 1: you a surpriser? Yeah? How about how about Tyree Robinson?
Speaker 1: So it's not surprising at all. I thought it was
Speaker 1: between him and Dron Johnson. Well surprising that they went
Speaker 1: went and got a safety and he's still on the team.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a guy that was gonna get
Speaker 1: cuts fair. Yeah, so he's well. You thought he'd played well.
Speaker 1: I thought he did, but I didn't know if he'd
Speaker 1: played well enough to get on the fifty three. I
Speaker 1: thought they were gonna keep Johnson myself because of familiarity,
Speaker 1: And why would you have if if if you look
Speaker 1: at if you look at the situation right now, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna find to figure out what's wrong. You know.
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier's is he going to be available this week?
Speaker 1: Good question. Cavon Frasier's one good shot away from Tyree
Speaker 1: Robinson playing for you right there. If he can play,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to harness up his shoulder, yeah and
Speaker 1: gut it out. Yeah. Probably all year. And if they
Speaker 1: really thought Byron Jones and Cheeto were guys, they could
Speaker 1: slide over into the safety position and they would have
Speaker 1: probably kept more cornerbacks. Yeah, please don't do that. I
Speaker 1: know right in the game you have to move. If
Speaker 1: they were thinking about it, they would probably have more
Speaker 1: than four corners on the team right now. Back to
Speaker 1: Rico real quick, talking about forty six man roster, I
Speaker 1: mean for the for the game. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: Charles Rico, who's your third tight end for this game?
Speaker 1: You know why? Because Schultz plays more special teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they use all those linebackers and tight ends. Can you
Speaker 1: can you can you make them all active? As that possible?
Speaker 1: I mean that's not impossible. You could do that. Could
Speaker 1: We could go through it real quick, But I mean
Speaker 1: I still think something's gonna use you A Friday Show
Speaker 1: for Yeah. Oh, Derek loves doing that. We do it too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably overkill. Mike White, Travis Frederick, uh, the last
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, Aytone Jones, Aytone Jones. We can do this, yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris Covington maybe I don't know whatever, we'll do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do that on Friday. Okay, well fair enough. We
Speaker 1: got one s Davier Woods for this week. Maybe next week.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, are we not doing a full hour? We
Speaker 1: are doing full Oh you just meant yeah. Okay, So
Speaker 1: anything you'd like to add or the wee can tease? Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit of roster news sort
Speaker 1: of like minor not not super sexy. No, make it
Speaker 1: sound like it's really sexy. Come back for the new
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Speaker 1: You tell me, guys, how are you doing today? I
Speaker 1: hope you guys are going fine. What's on your mind? Well,
Speaker 1: quite a few things. After the last few shocking cuts
Speaker 1: that I've seen, and uh, like I say, when they
Speaker 1: released Bailey, that threw me for a loop. And I
Speaker 1: hope Hellman's been stretching out because if Meyer missus one
Speaker 1: in the first two games, he's gonna be kicking for
Speaker 1: us or somebody travel otherwise. And uh, congratulations on the
Speaker 1: LS win by the way, Yeah, you guys beat Tennessee too.
Speaker 1: Huh always stomped him. There you go. Yeah we got
Speaker 1: a good looking defense. But anyway, the Rico Gathers thing
Speaker 1: I was, I never did like him because when he
Speaker 1: was playing for Baylor he beat the hell out of
Speaker 1: us in basketball. But I knew when the draft comes
Speaker 1: that was a Jerry move. I knew it. I told
Speaker 1: my wife, I said, Jerry'll pick him up. But my
Speaker 1: thing about him and between him and Schultz and I
Speaker 1: know Rico, it looks like a screw up ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the time. I like the skills with his hands.
Speaker 1: But also I've heard of Helman and I've heard brought
Speaker 1: us to say that Schultz got tossed around like an
Speaker 1: empty sack of potatoes a few times, a couple of times, right,
Speaker 1: So I mean, how do you weigh that out? Is
Speaker 1: it worth having a two eighty five guy in there
Speaker 1: that can bully around a little bit and maybe miss
Speaker 1: a player here, or or Schultz that just gets tossed
Speaker 1: around every play. Oh, let's not go every play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every place. I mean you're trying to assassinate the man.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. Well he's I know, he's young. And
Speaker 1: then when he come out of Standford, I mean everybody
Speaker 1: thinks they stand him out. They do, you know they do.
Speaker 1: But he's pretty small and not strong enough right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: do you develop him longer even feel get stronger or
Speaker 1: do you hold on to Rico? No, and he's got
Speaker 1: the strength but not the Frange's the answers both. I
Speaker 1: think that played out on Saturday, which is John Denver
Speaker 1: song right now, by the way, it's it's and we
Speaker 1: kind of touched on that a minute ago. But I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting because, Okay, Schultz is a fourth round
Speaker 1: pick coming from a power program that that you think
Speaker 1: runs the football in physic they developed these type of guys.
Speaker 1: You feel really good about his potential even if it
Speaker 1: hasn't shown up in the last month. Yeah, Rico is Rico.
Speaker 1: He's got a sky high ceiling for for a certain
Speaker 1: type for big plays. Basically, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of um who do you I mean,
Speaker 1: if these were just two back, if if these were
Speaker 1: just conbind him, well, no, what I'm saying is if
Speaker 1: it's the perfect tight end, if they weren't such intriguing resources,
Speaker 1: you would probably cut one or both of them. And like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I said it during training camp, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if you tried to claim like a veteran tight end
Speaker 1: off of somebody else's team, like not a great tight end,
Speaker 1: but just a guy who knows how to lock. But
Speaker 1: these guys, James Hannah, where are you James hand type player?
Speaker 1: But these guys are both so intriguing. I really I
Speaker 1: he did not look great at all. I would not
Speaker 1: trust him to do a lot in the regular season.
Speaker 1: But I would not be happy if they cut Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz because I don't. I think it's too soon in
Speaker 1: his career to just him. But I'm disappointed that I did.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I think I thought I saw
Speaker 1: a guy. I thought, I mean, and now I know
Speaker 1: it's the first you know, it's training camp, and heck, Nick,
Speaker 1: you and I did a point counterpoint. I told you
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna start, and I thought it
Speaker 1: would be Darwin's that we both happens tied in one
Speaker 1: since day one, right, Yeah, has not let go of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Jarwin, Darwin's gonna have his snaps. Yeah, No, he
Speaker 1: and there. This team's gonna do twelve personnel and probably
Speaker 1: thirteen personnels at some point. If I had to guess,
Speaker 1: I just basically, I think they view both of those
Speaker 1: guys as too intriguing to cut, even if they're not
Speaker 1: really ready for prime time. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means. Bad luck cutting tight ends here, That's true,
Speaker 1: and I have that's one of those things in your mind.
Speaker 1: You go, okay, if you let this guy go, probably
Speaker 1: making the Pro Bowl next year. You know when I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think guys leave here and go have productive careers.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Gavin Escobar got cut yesterday or
Speaker 1: day before, one of those things, but you've had some
Speaker 1: guys go off and have good careers here. I absolutely
Speaker 1: could be wrong. Again, you know, don't fall in love
Speaker 1: with your own roster too much, but I think Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz would get claimed by somebody if he were released.
Speaker 1: I do. So I don't know how that's gonna work
Speaker 1: both of them, honestly, I really I do um and
Speaker 1: so I'm just curious how they play that in the
Speaker 1: regular season because somebody's got to contribute. Who do you
Speaker 1: trust more? I don't know, Probably Schultz if I had
Speaker 1: to guess, but we'll see. Yeah, I think Schultz just
Speaker 1: needs We've seen a lot of guys at a lot
Speaker 1: of different positions, first full year in an offseason program
Speaker 1: remake their body bigger, stronger. I think we're seeing it
Speaker 1: a taco a little bit this year. Maybe that's what
Speaker 1: I need. Hope, maybe that's what he needs. When you
Speaker 1: when you were talking inactive did you did you say
Speaker 1: Mike White or or a Cooper, which I mean I
Speaker 1: don't think, no Cooper, You're not gonna put You're not
Speaker 1: gonna put three quarterbacks on the No. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you could that makes sense. I was just I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about that with with like, you know,
Speaker 1: if I still think, you know Rico could give you
Speaker 1: something in the red zone area, It's just that, can
Speaker 1: you can a guy just be a red zone player
Speaker 1: and that's it? I mean, I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: give you anything on specialty, right, he could give who
Speaker 1: gives you more big plays? Potentially Rico or Tavon Austin. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm all in on Tavon Austin. Turned out some scout
Speaker 1: had some scouts around the league telling me, they, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up with Tavon Austin. I'm like, well, they're doing this, this, this,
Speaker 1: this and this with you know, I'm all describing him,
Speaker 1: and then they'll every one of them goes, well, he's
Speaker 1: got to show me. He's gotta show me. Hey, he's
Speaker 1: got to prove to me he could do this. They're like,
Speaker 1: they're like, when you guys made the trade, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, geez okay, but they he goes, but
Speaker 1: they he's got to prove he can be a real player.
Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent fair because we're not the four
Speaker 1: guys saying that. We're not the first people to be
Speaker 1: intrigued by his talent. He was a top ten pick
Speaker 1: like pet and you look around, you know, I follow
Speaker 1: I follow damn near every NFL writer there is all
Speaker 1: I mean hundreds of people that cover the league, and
Speaker 1: they all that's the national narrative is like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: isn't the first summer where people have been excited about
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin. So it's a fair criticism, but he has
Speaker 1: looked really good with this team and I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a pretty sizable role in the office. Ask
Speaker 1: another question, Yeah, it's not about Tavon Austo defense. We've
Speaker 1: seen Byron Jones have a really good training camp at
Speaker 1: safety and then kind of played just okay. It's just
Speaker 1: the year that he goes from having a really good
Speaker 1: training to playing like a really good training camp that
Speaker 1: we see him getting his hands on a lot of
Speaker 1: balls and see him getting interceptions and we see him
Speaker 1: being the player that we saw because we all kind
Speaker 1: of at the last year. I believe he was our
Speaker 1: man of the match, you know, as far as the
Speaker 1: overall one of the best. I'll answer that question if
Speaker 1: you can answer one for me. Is Randy Gregory going
Speaker 1: to be playing a lot? Because if Randy Gregory is
Speaker 1: out there playing with DeMarcus on the other side, I
Speaker 1: think that these cornerbacks have a chance to be really good,
Speaker 1: both of them, maybe Cheeto even Pro Bowl. Like. They
Speaker 1: got to get interceptions and how you do that is
Speaker 1: yours starts up front. So if Randy Gregory and DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence are playing like I think that they're going to
Speaker 1: play with Taco coming in and Armstrong coming in. Then
Speaker 1: I think Byron Jones has a chance to be really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he has a chance to because I think
Speaker 1: he's in a position now where it's him against another
Speaker 1: guy and he can go make a play. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the role for him became playing back, playing
Speaker 1: deep last year and he just run up kind of
Speaker 1: oh wait, mister tackle there now, it looks really bad,
Speaker 1: kind of what we've talked about Xavier Woods. His role
Speaker 1: so far can't we haven't seen a lot of plays.
Speaker 1: I think he's in a position now where, especially the
Speaker 1: way they want to play their corners, they want to
Speaker 1: be aggressive, they want to jam guys. This might be
Speaker 1: a perfect fit for him. That's what they're banking on anyway,
Speaker 1: and christ Rashard's type of secondary I think that's a
Speaker 1: really good point is that I know there's more to
Speaker 1: it than this. I'm not trying to oversimplify, but it's cornerback,
Speaker 1: like to cover the guy across from you'll get it.
Speaker 1: And that's so it's a lot less to worry about.
Speaker 1: And I think maybe it allows him to use his
Speaker 1: natural athleticism a little more so, I hope so it
Speaker 1: would be a bummer if that happened two years in
Speaker 1: a row, because he Brian's right, he was maybe the
Speaker 1: man of the match for two straight camps. Yeah, for real,
Speaker 1: he's been great in camp. Hopefully it translates they need
Speaker 1: to be better with Gregory or do they need Jalen Smith? Both?
Speaker 1: Can I just both? That's the thing, you mean, if
Speaker 1: you get both, if they both play the way they've
Speaker 1: looked in camp, this defense is gonna be pretty freaking good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you do the fan pulse things on
Speaker 1: our talking those are these are great? He's great. No,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to who needs to be better? Um?
Speaker 1: Who do they? Who do they need to be? You're
Speaker 1: you're deeper, Gregory? Give me? I mean, if you're really
Speaker 1: talking about like if better means he can get me
Speaker 1: like eight nine, ten or more sacks, give me that.
Speaker 1: That's another question. Why is Layton Vanderish getting letting the
Speaker 1: people letting him slide? Because for two reasons, because of
Speaker 1: the two guys you, he has not taken the He's
Speaker 1: not taking the heat like Taco did. Last year. It's
Speaker 1: the two guys you just mentioned. He has not taking
Speaker 1: the heat. That's fair because I honestly, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: got a point. Jalen Smith has been dynamite, right, so
Speaker 1: you're not that was the talk. It's like, well, we're
Speaker 1: not sure what Jalen's gonna be around draft. You drafted
Speaker 1: Vanderish thinking that you might have something that might be
Speaker 1: something problem with the Challe Smith and the rise of
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory has made you forget about quietly. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: first round picks sitting out of practice the last two
Speaker 1: weeks more than that. I and it was like it
Speaker 1: was the last practice in Oxnard. So he probably got
Speaker 1: hurt on October. They got hurt one of those drills periods. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say October just now he did. Jeez, I yeah,
Speaker 1: I was out late last night, August August sixteenth. Um,
Speaker 1: is he getting a pass? Right? Now? Here's is that
Speaker 1: because of the linebackers. Let's let me here's where I'm
Speaker 1: going with this. One of the reasons the line I
Speaker 1: always hurt. Okay, I get it, but I'm I'm about
Speaker 1: to sound like I'm giving him a pass because I
Speaker 1: know a nineteenth overall pick is supposed to pure but
Speaker 1: think passed. Like the short term, get over the short term.
Speaker 1: Whatever he's he's hurt, you gotta let him come back.
Speaker 1: It's the saw I'm with you. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith looks amazing. Sean Lee is an all pro. Right,
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh can have plenty of value in the
Speaker 1: long run, not just this season because it's a seventeen
Speaker 1: week season. I mean, Cheeto and Jordan Lewis did nothing
Speaker 1: last year for like the all of training camp and
Speaker 1: most of the first month or two of the season.
Speaker 1: What happened by the end of the year they were starting.
Speaker 1: It is a long season. People are going to get hurt.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, love him, God bless him. Got a pretty
Speaker 1: well documented track record of getting hurt. You're gonna need
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh And even if you don't need him this year,
Speaker 1: he's under contract for five years. How many more do
Speaker 1: you think Shaun Lee's gonna play? It's also the news cycle.
Speaker 1: You're right, you're absolutely right. But if if we didn't
Speaker 1: have all this, Hey, Gregory's back, Gregory's looking like a
Speaker 1: pro bowler is Gregory? Their focus would shift right to
Speaker 1: number fifty five. I mean, yes, if Jalen Smith wasn't
Speaker 1: playing that well, and then yeah, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: tricky situation because you got, on one hand, wanted to
Speaker 1: be healthy. You mean, yeah, right, but you also like,
Speaker 1: if they wouldn't to the draft, so we're not gonna
Speaker 1: take the linebackers we got Jalen Smith and we got
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee, we'd be like, really gonna put your eggs
Speaker 1: and in both their baskets because of that. But then
Speaker 1: when they both play well and they're on the on
Speaker 1: the field, then you're like, why did you draft Dalen
Speaker 1: I mean Vanderesh? Yeah, you know, I mean it's like
Speaker 1: you had to cover yourself. Even David Wilson's playing pretty
Speaker 1: well to what you're saying, well, are you gonna pla
Speaker 1: him at Sam lineback? I just babe, Wilson's playing all right.
Speaker 1: By the end of the day, they're gonna be happy
Speaker 1: they have Laden Vanderesh. That's my story. Mcderwin, James, is
Speaker 1: hec about how about him inactive for the first game?
Speaker 1: Layton very well could. Yeah, it's a good bet. But again, uh,
Speaker 1: Cheeto was right. No, Cheeto got hurt in the first
Speaker 1: game and then was inactive for three or four after that, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: back in Green Bay, right, stuff happens. I think he
Speaker 1: played in that Denver game and then got hurt. No
Speaker 1: Jordan did, Cheeto did remember the whole ring delay and
Speaker 1: lightning delay. He played and got hurt and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan wound up playing a lot that game. No Jordan did.
Speaker 1: I know? Chet went out early, went out early, and
Speaker 1: against Denver in Green Bay. I it's not great if
Speaker 1: your nineteenth overall pick is not playing and playing well.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's a long season, it's a long
Speaker 1: contract too, Like I'm I don't know, I'm not and
Speaker 1: I didn't ask that question. The guys in front of
Speaker 1: him are playing so well and it gives him leeway. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: he's got hurt. It's unfortunate. That's a pretty strong group
Speaker 1: a linebacker. So I kind of believe that he's gotten
Speaker 1: a pass, and I mean that in a nice way
Speaker 1: because of the linebacker play. Overall, Absolutely, this is as
Speaker 1: good as a linebacker corps looked. We're getting out of
Speaker 1: here early quickly. Your sexy roster news. Oh right, um,
Speaker 1: Dorrence Armstrong is no longer than seventy four. I think
Speaker 1: we all knew he'd be moving. He's wearing fifty eight. Now,
Speaker 1: there it is. Bob Lily's number is safe. You knew
Speaker 1: they weren't going to give Bob Lily's number two a
Speaker 1: ro so we knew it. Edwards huh, Dixon Edwards fifty eight.
Speaker 1: He was fifty eight. Demontre Moore was fifty eight. Miller
Speaker 1: von Miller. That's a better one. Good. Yeah, let's hope
Speaker 1: that one. That's a good, strong pass rushing number. There.
Speaker 1: I like it. Giga Maggie's all right, uh and go Tigers,
Speaker 1: by the way, Thomas by the way, fifty eight yeah, blur.
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