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Speaker 1: Let's get on Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabel, Hey Jules, what's the first thing you think

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Speaker 2: of when you hear the name Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 3: The first thing that comes to my mind is just

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Speaker 3: a tough guy. He's just a tough how tough like

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Speaker 3: And actually the first thing comes to my mind as

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Speaker 3: an asshole asshole because he's just here, I mean, a

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Speaker 3: tough asshole, a tough asshole. We never played with Rabes,

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Speaker 3: but because of how legendary he heard stories, the stories

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Speaker 3: we're always about like three people, Rabel, Bruski, and Izzo,

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Speaker 3: and like Rabes was always at the helm of these

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Speaker 3: crazy stories, uh that just floated around the Patriots locker

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Speaker 3: room busting balls.

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Speaker 1: That comes to my head, like I always you always

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Speaker 3: Remember hearing how Rabes would get on to Brady and

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Speaker 3: and Brady would get on Rabes and those those wars

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Speaker 3: that practice.

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Speaker 1: What's the first thing that comes to your mind?

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Speaker 4: A tough soob.

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Speaker 2: You know a football player, a guy that has knowledge

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Speaker 2: of the game as a player and as a coach,

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Speaker 2: and he's from Ohio And let me tell you, Ohio

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Speaker 2: football is underrated. And you learn a lot about you know,

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Speaker 2: football and who you are, you know as a person

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Speaker 2: as well, when you grow up in the state of Ohio.

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Speaker 4: How do I know that?

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Speaker 2: Because I played my senior year in Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: was a big rival. Just the state of Pennsylvania was

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Speaker 2: a big rival to the state of Ohio. And you

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Speaker 2: got the Pittsburgh versus Ohio, you know whatever that you know,

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Speaker 2: all star gets and just have you know, just our tough,

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Speaker 2: tough players come out of you know, come out of

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Speaker 2: the state of Ohio and Pennsylvania. They're very similar. They're

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Speaker 2: kind of underrated compared to you know, you always hear

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Speaker 2: about Florida, California, or Texas.

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Speaker 4: All that's where all the starts working.

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Speaker 2: All the tough guys come from, you know, the Upper East,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the US, like Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York.

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Speaker 2: But uh, he's he's a football guy football.

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Speaker 3: Did you just try to throw New York through New York?

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Speaker 3: Did you just try to sneakily throw New York football?

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Speaker 2: I did tough guys, yeah, because I'm from Buffalo and

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Speaker 2: I went to uh you know, like I said, I

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Speaker 2: went to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: Year.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Buffalo they got some tough, tough s obs here,

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, they got they got me, They got

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Speaker 2: my brother who played in the NFL, my other brother

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Speaker 2: who played in the NFL too, And yeah, yeah we're rolling, baby,

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Speaker 2: We're rolling. Uh what What's What stands out to me

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Speaker 2: when we were talking about him the other day though,

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Speaker 2: is how he was drafted in the third round to

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers. And you told me that fact, and

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Speaker 2: it was kind of shocking to me because I thought

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Speaker 2: he was a New England Patriot from day one because

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Speaker 2: of just all the stories that you heard about him,

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Speaker 2: just the way that he played the game when he

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Speaker 2: the Patriots as well. So I had absolutely no clue

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Speaker 2: that he got drafted to the Steelers. Can you tell

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Speaker 2: me how that happened as well, how he got to

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Speaker 3: Well, he was a teamer, I mean he played at Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I think he was drafting ninety seven, was a special teamer.

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Speaker 3: And then I think once he became a free agent,

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Speaker 3: Bill like really wanted him or something.

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Speaker 4: Was that it? Yeah, So why.

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Speaker 2: Does Bill have like this nag of just finding these

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Speaker 2: white dudes that just want to play football, just work hard,

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Speaker 2: and they're not so good at the moment, and then

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Speaker 2: he just blossomed.

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Speaker 1: First.

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Speaker 4: I think the guy sitting next to me like that,

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Speaker 4: I mean me too, kind of.

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Speaker 1: That's his projector Nikovich.

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Speaker 3: Nikovich was a long snapper Wilker Welker in Miami.

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Speaker 4: I mean what what was he just kind of a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, set, Yeah, he had a big year. He had

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Speaker 1: a big year at my.

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Speaker 2: Not like a huge year like he had in New

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Speaker 2: England from No, No, but he had a decent, solid

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Mike was the guy that Bill always used

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Speaker 3: a reference like you think you're smart, you're not no

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Speaker 3: smart football players when Bill's referencing him in Motherfucking you.

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Speaker 1: You know like that.

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Speaker 3: That was always kind of like one thing that stuck out.

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Speaker 3: And then just hearing from like Jimmy Whalen the training

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Speaker 3: Corey was like him, and Willie Mack and Brew like he.

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Speaker 3: There was like the holy trinity of guys that everyone

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Speaker 3: had to walk through that kept everyone accountable and I'm

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Speaker 3: really you know, I'm pretty excited. I'm excited for this,

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Speaker 3: this new generation of Patriots. Now with that said, I

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Speaker 3: I still think the whole Mayo situation that he got

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Speaker 3: I feel terrible for him, and I think he's gonna

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Speaker 3: do well, But like that really wasn't set up to

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Speaker 4: Not at all.

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Speaker 2: I think goes a little bit unfair. But shout out

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Speaker 2: feel like he's gonna have some success in the future,

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Speaker 2: you know, with another organization and possibly be another head

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Speaker 1: But Rabel coming in now, like.

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Speaker 3: All this stuff that you hear keeping guys accountable, like

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be the first doing and he can get

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Speaker 3: away with saying things to guys the way he says

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Speaker 3: it because he did it, he played it, and he's

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Speaker 3: just as smart as the guys that coached him at it.

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Speaker 3: So like when you have all those things, and he's

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Speaker 3: a burly motherfucker. Like he's a big man. When you

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Speaker 3: shake his hands, his hands wrapped to your wrists. He's

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Speaker 3: got big ass hands, strength, man straight. I still think

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Speaker 3: he got four or six plays in him.

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Speaker 1: You think he could play right now? Four six plays?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, four to six plays, like you know that offensive

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Speaker 2: package of New England Patriots had fro him. And talking

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Speaker 2: his whole entire career for ten touchdowns. So what a

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Speaker 2: fucking from catch the TV is one hundred percent. That's

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Speaker 2: in all time insane. And that's just how smart of

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Speaker 2: makes me so sad, though, what's sad? Because what makes

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Speaker 3: No, it makes me sad because we always hear about

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Speaker 3: all these guys used to like, motherfuck him and it

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Speaker 3: was it.

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Speaker 4: Was a picked and picked on him.

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Speaker 3: It was a completely different time that we play with

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Speaker 3: so like we and like you couldn't. There was only

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Speaker 3: a couple guys kept really good jaw with Tom, but

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Speaker 3: everyone was so scared to do it. And Tom would

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Speaker 3: it was. It almost makes me like, man, I wish

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Speaker 3: we got to see him in those those early stages

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Speaker 1: Guy figure.

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Speaker 2: You understand that Rabel was like that older brother figure

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Speaker 2: just the second you know, era off the New England pages.

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Speaker 2: But there were so many times, like you said, in

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Speaker 2: you would have loved the guy so much, you would

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Speaker 2: have loved to play with him. He gives it all,

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Speaker 2: He gives it his all out on the field. I

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Speaker 2: I mean he was a grinder, I mean gritty, great

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Speaker 4: Tire out there out in the field.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's why Bill loved him so much,

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Speaker 1: One thousand percent. Think about it, like.

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Speaker 3: He's played on every phase of the game at a

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Speaker 3: So like when he's addressing the team and he's watching

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Speaker 3: On defense. He knows everything about defense because he's you know,

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Speaker 3: he was he basically was in the school of doctorates

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Speaker 3: way he gets to coach guys and then an offense Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna motherfucker you get rid of you. He's gonna

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Speaker 3: make people accountable. That's how it was the Patriot way

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Speaker 2: I mean, and just just talking about his knowledge of

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Speaker 2: rule book of the NFL as well. Remember in the

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen playoffs, Rabel intentionally took a twelve man on

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Speaker 2: the field penalty just to keep Brady off of the field.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he kind of outplayed Belichuck in that situation

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Speaker 4: So I learned that pretty incredible by him to do that.

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Speaker 3: I learned about that little mastermind. Bullshit is when we

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Speaker 4: I love this guy now.

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Speaker 3: And we go and we go to the little thing

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Speaker 2: What's the biggest thing in year one that he has

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Jules, Well.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get some lineman.

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Speaker 4: M h. He gotta get some good point right there.

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Speaker 3: He gotta They got a whole lot of money to spend. Now,

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Speaker 3: knowing Mike through the years that I've known him, I'm

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Speaker 4: Going to be able to spend some money.

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Speaker 2: He's in a great situation heading into his first year.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he's got Drake May who's an unbelievable quarterback. He's

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Speaker 1: He was bringing in all oc.

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Speaker 2: I would say, Josh McDaniel's Josh McDaniels go there. But

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Speaker 4: He ain't. He ain't.

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Speaker 2: And I believe Josh is one of the best offensive

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Speaker 1: I mean, he made Mac Jones a pro bowler.

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Speaker 4: No, there hasn't been, hasn't been.

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Speaker 2: I will contribute all that to to most of that

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Speaker 4: These mcdse I like that name. I never heard that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what about Rabel. He took Ryan Tannehill

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Speaker 2: I hear about Rabel, and that's why people love playing

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Speaker 1: I think he just feel safe when you're around him.

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Speaker 3: I feel like whenever he was whenever we hang out,

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Speaker 3: he know an escape route, maybe take down like seven

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Speaker 1: Like he just feel safe with the guy like Rabel.

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Speaker 4: He's the guy you want your daughter to marry.

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Speaker 1: I feel I don't know about that, all right, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, well, well I like what you're saying. You feel

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm excited for him.

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Speaker 1: I'm sad for Mayo.

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Speaker 3: This is like, this is really like one of those

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Speaker 3: can't New England keeps on putting me in these goddamn divorces.

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Speaker 3: I feel like a kid that's had like five divorce parents.

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Speaker 4: What can you explain more well?

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Speaker 1: When Bill and Brady that divorce.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now you know, Mayo freaking Rabes that divorce, there's

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Speaker 3: like fucking hell of because we're all like intertwined, and

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Speaker 2: You're kind of like the red headed stepchild that's just

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Speaker 2: been there throughout the whole time. That's just takes all

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Speaker 2: the beatings, but in the end you're gonna still be

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Speaker 2: standing there. Make it tough. It does make you tough,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: Jewels also, i'd be I'd be crazy to say that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: our last game with Tom Brady, Ray will beat us.

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Speaker 2: That's why Rabel's back. That's why he's back. If he

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Speaker 2: maybe he wouldn't because maybe he he sent Tom Brady

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Speaker 2: probably his greatest Like, that's probably what he said the

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Speaker 2: first line in the interview. Did he say that, No,

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I would. But hey, mister Kraft, who

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Speaker 2: sent Tom Packins, I bet you he said that.

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Speaker 1: I bet you has no filter where he probably would

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Speaker 3: He's he's the only player to have two touchdowns in

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Speaker 1: I mean his versatility.

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Speaker 2: Is there any other coach out there that you think

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Speaker 2: could beat up Rabel?

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Speaker 1: I think a good fight would be Dan Campbell and him.

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Speaker 4: Oh but.

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Speaker 1: That's I'm taking Rabes because Rabes d n Camble. He

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so what what are you saying about tight ends? Jewels?

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Speaker 4: They're just not that tough. They're not as tough as.

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Speaker 1: I agree, you're one of one.

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Speaker 2: Ain't as tough as d ns, and the d ns

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Speaker 4: You gotta be fearless.

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Speaker 1: Mika Ryan's he could be in there.

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Speaker 3: They all say McDermott is like a wrestler, Iowa wrest

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Speaker 3: But I'm I think Rabes is a wrestler too. And

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Speaker 3: Rabes used to go against fucking Steve Neil all the time,

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Speaker 3: think Rabes is taking it's just weight weight class on

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Speaker 3: Rabel would swallow him. Oh ship, What kind of dude

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Speaker 2: I mean he's stunned, no doubt about it. Football IQ's

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Speaker 2: up there the pedigree. He's also a wizard. He does

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Speaker 3: He also has he dies. I mean, he's got the

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Speaker 3: best chin in football other than like the coach coward

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Speaker 3: having a nice chinz style, Like he looks like the

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Speaker 3: Ohio guy. When you put Ohio guy in dictionary for

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Speaker 3: like recruit, it's like big white guy, big chin looks

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Speaker 3: like Mustafa from fucking Beauty in the Beast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I never seen Beauty in the Beasts or is

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Speaker 2: that one?

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Speaker 4: I don't Knowstaf you know, Gustav or something, Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: never seen it.

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Speaker 1: Freak.

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Speaker 3: I mean he he had like man strength, That's what

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Speaker 4: Dog.

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Speaker 1: Definitely a dog.

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Speaker 4: No doubt. He could be a lot of guy I

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Speaker 4: was thinking Whiz. I was gonna go with Wiz.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just how clutch he was in situations and

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Speaker 3: He's a he's a dude's dude in the patriot world,

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Speaker 3: like in bizarro world, which is not really like everywhere

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Speaker 3: else where, Like being an asshole and bullying is like

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Speaker 3: being positive there, So you know that's positive because it

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Speaker 1: On three, what do you think One's go on three one, two, three,

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