1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to Move the Sticks? Presented by 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Castro a Ledge DJ. Bucky back with you on the 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: launch of free agency today. Buck. How you doing, man, man, 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm good. It's it's crazy. You're seeing the deals already 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: come down and seeing how people are teams are beginning 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: to position themselves for next season in spite of having 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: a really really tight limit on the celery cap. Yeah 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: and uh. And talking to an agent last night, he 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: brought up a great point. I think Peter King actually 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: wrote a lot about it in his column. Just not 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: only you have the salary cap shrinking um, but you 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: have the expectation that it was going to expand. So 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: the gap is really wider in terms of the teams 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: what they were budgeting, and you figure the minimum salaries 16 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: have risen um. So it's kind of everything's just been 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: squeezed down, which is gonna be fastening. I still think 18 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: the big dogs are gonna get paid, and we'll see 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: that by the time you're listening to this, a bunch 20 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: of these guys will probably already agreed to deals the top. 21 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: What do you think ten fifteen guys. Those guys won't 22 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: see any difference. They're gonna get top dollar. But it's 23 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: that that middle class is gonna get big time squeezed. 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean any opportunity you have to squeeze 25 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: those guys out, um you will. You can hold it, 26 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: you can hold it down. I think the teams who 27 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: have significant cap space, I think if they're patient, they 28 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: can scoop up a lot of really good players later 29 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: in the process. We know the free agent frenzy is 30 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: typically the first seventy two hours the first week. If 31 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: they can wait, like teams that have significant cast space 32 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: like the Jags, the Jets, the Patriots, if they can 33 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: wait past the goales, if they can wait past that 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: first week, I think you'll see them scoop up a 35 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: lot of players at team friendly deals because of to 36 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: give them a chance, because everyone is going to panic 37 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: if you don't get paid in the first wave. Now 38 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: it's musical chairs and you're just trying to find a home. Yeah, 39 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: no doubt. We'll have a bunch of free agency reaction 40 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: coming up on on the next episode. On today's episode, 41 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: I do want to bring up a great interview you guys, 42 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: look forward to Buck had a chance to catch up 43 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: with our buddy Trent Dilfer about all things quarterback. Um, 44 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: he's known, Uh, you've worked with him forever. Buck on 45 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: with these high school quarterbacks so great and on this 46 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: group coming up as well as a chance to discuss 47 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: some guys currently in the league. So that's a conversation 48 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: that's coming up a little bit later on in the show. 49 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: We do want to get a little reaction to what 50 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: we saw from trade Lance at his pro day. But 51 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: before we kind of switch gears to get to the 52 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: college guys, I wanted to bring up a couple of 53 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: things on the NFL front. First of all, to kind 54 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: of wrap up the free agency preview here. Um, Kevin 55 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Zeitler already signed with the Ravens, so he had been released, 56 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: so he was free to sign, So the Ravens used 57 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: probably most of their cap space to bring him in. 58 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: But it just brings up a good point to me 59 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: that he is a like He is a gap scheme 60 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: power guy, you know, tight polar Maller. He fits what 61 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: the Ravens do, and I think man fit is so 62 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: important when you're getting ready to spend money in the 63 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: free agent market. You know DJ some would say is 64 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: the number one thing in evaluation, particularly free agency, is 65 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: understanding how your team plays, the scheme that you run, 66 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: and which players are ideal fits. The mistakes that we 67 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: typically see in free agency have to do with whether 68 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: player fits properly into the scheme or if he has 69 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: a significant in their history injury history and you ignore 70 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: that in a sign him, and then he becomes an 71 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: injured player for you. UM. I think Kevin Zouler going 72 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: to the Baltimore Ravens is to me the Baltimore Ravens 73 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: doubling down on who they are and how they're going 74 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: to play. Their biggest issues last year, I believe in 75 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: big games comes from their inability to control and dominate 76 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. When they're unable to dominate the 77 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: game and get the game on their terms, then it 78 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: exposes all the things that we on the outside talk 79 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: about their passing game, and they're not really pass protectors 80 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: up front, they don't necessarily have enough pass catchers and 81 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: those things. So this to me the Ravens doubling down 82 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: and saying we're going to run the ball, and we're 83 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: going to run it on everybody, and now we have 84 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: the firepower up front to be able to do so, yeah, 85 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: you think getting Ronnie Stanley back will be big. You 86 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: know Orlando Brown is on the trade market, so you 87 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: know they won't have Can we talk about the Orlando 88 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Brown thing, like the Orlando Brown fascination with with wanting 89 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: to be a left tackles and versus the right tackle. 90 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: And I understand, like he talked about it being his 91 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: dream and that's how he always sees himself and he 92 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: went to the Pro Bowl and those things. But Orlando 93 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: Brown has to have enough awareness to look at team 94 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: tape when Ronnie Stanley is there and be like, you know, 95 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: they guy on the other side is a little better 96 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: than me at this position, Like I should be comfortable 97 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: just playing right tackle because he's not a pass protecting 98 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: left tackle in that light, And so to me, I 99 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: just think it's a laugh of a lack of self awareness. 100 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: And I believe the money now is so similar between 101 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: right and left tackles that I don't think it makes 102 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: that big of a difference what your categorized as. I 103 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: could go around the league and make the point and 104 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 1: we've done it for several years now that those left 105 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: end pass rushers have been better than the right end 106 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: right side pass rushers, so you're actually having a more 107 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: difficult assignment over there on the right side. I get 108 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: it from the standpoint. He's played left tackles hold like, 109 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: so he feels more comfortable there. You know, it's like 110 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: being left handed versus right handed, so he just is 111 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: more comfortable there. But he's played well at right tackle. 112 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: He's been a really good right tackle. And you're gonna 113 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: have to play against the best of the best over 114 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: there with the pass rushers, so you're gonna be challenged 115 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: every week. Your value, um shouldn't really be any less, 116 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: uh if you play that position. Well, so I'm with you, 117 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: But to me, I guess it just comes down to comfort. 118 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess so it is. It's one of 119 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: the more remarkable things um self. Awarngage played with a 120 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: good team. Obviously you do to get big money. I 121 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: understand that part of it, but I just can't understand. 122 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: And then I do wonder what teams are really in 123 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: the in the bidding war for his services. Who how 124 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: is he really viewed because I don't view him as 125 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: a premier when elite left hand Yeah, and they play 126 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: a different brand of football than the other thirty one teams. 127 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: So it's a little apples to oranges in terms of 128 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: what he's asked to do. He does it very well. 129 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: But if you don't see as much traditional, you know, 130 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: past that stuff in Baltimore that you would other places. 131 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: So that's gonna be a fascinating to see what happens 132 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: there with the Ravens. I do want to hit you 133 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: on one of the things before we jump into the 134 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: Trey Lance pro day. Um. I tweeted this out, which 135 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people have said is the weirdest analogy 136 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: of all time. Uh that I came up with it. 137 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because we're up late at night, Buck 138 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: and then these things kind of hit you. But I 139 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: was thinking about Deshaun Watson and you know, and we 140 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: can get into the fact that whether you believe this 141 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: could or you know, couldn't happen with him getting traded, 142 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: I'll get your thoughts on that. But when I look 143 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: at the different hypotheticals, and you've seen the Panthers mentioned, 144 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: you see all these other teams that could get involved 145 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: in that, the Bears, whoever, I only see two teams 146 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: that are like a match, you know, in terms of 147 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: what they can offer, and that is the Jets and 148 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: the Dolphins. And that's because of the number two or 149 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: number three overall pick. The value of those picks is 150 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: so much greater than the other picks. Even if you're 151 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: just picking number eight, the difference between eight and two. 152 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: Look at the trade chart. Look at what it costs 153 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: to go from eight to two. So when we've talked 154 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: about what would it take to get Deshaun Watson, and 155 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: you hear people say four or five ones, well, that first, 156 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: that second or third overall pick is worth multiple ones. 157 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: So when you count that, because you can easily turn 158 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: that into something else. So my analogy buck that I 159 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: use was why would you go buy a puppy when 160 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: you could buy a pregnant dog? So it's a weird analogy, 161 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: but but do you see what I'm saying, Like I 162 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: can take I got, I only got one puppy. I 163 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: can take this pregnant dog and turn people have accused 164 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: me of offering the weirdest, uh, draft all, do you 165 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: get what I'm saying? I do? But I need you 166 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: need more sleep because if you're thinking about puppies and 167 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: litters and and all of those things, like yeah, you need, 168 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: you need more sleep. But I understand in terms of 169 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: you want to basically slice this off where you can 170 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: bring about more players, more, more, more people that can 171 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: impact the franchise. And so if you have Deshaun Wasson, 172 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: who as a crown jewel, for sure, if you're the 173 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: Houston Texans, but trade them off and you talk about 174 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: getting a litter of puppies, is great. The only thing 175 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: that I will say about all of this is one 176 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: thing to bring about picks. It's another thing to turn 177 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: those picks into players. And we've seen traditionally in the 178 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: past when we go back and look at all the 179 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: picks that the Cleveland Browns got for the Carson went 180 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: steal or like you weren't able to parlay those in 181 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: two great players. And so I don't know, it's hard. 182 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: You go back to the RG three ram situation, still 183 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: had a tough time parlaying the extra picks into players. 184 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a much harder deal. I think it 185 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 1: looks great on the outside and say, hey man, we 186 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: got a busher barrow full of picks and we're gonna 187 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: turn all these picks and the players. I think it's 188 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: something that's hard to do. I believe the only team 189 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: that I've seen do a really good job of having 190 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: like multiple first round picks in one round might have 191 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: been the Jet that year. They have four first rounders, 192 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: Pennington and Sean Ellis and Anthony back John. They turned 193 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: into players and they were foundational pieces. Really really hard 194 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: to do when you go back and look at it 195 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: going forward, you know, the other one, the other one. 196 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of teams with multiple ones. I want to 197 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: say that the Saints got Lattimore and ram Check and 198 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: the same and the draft that one. That's pretty good 199 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: double right there. It's really it's really hard though. It's 200 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: hard as a hard deal. But I mean, like to me, 201 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: with the second or third pick, you can get the 202 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: quarterback to replace John, or again you can turn into 203 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of picks. But I just think it's I 204 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: think sometimes we lump all these picks in a box 205 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, this team's offering me three first round picks. 206 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: What this team's offered me four first round picks. But 207 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: not all first round picks are the same. Now, No, 208 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's go all the way back. Speaking 209 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: to the Carson Winstel, I think Howie Roseman gave us 210 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: a blueprint for how to maneuver around and how to 211 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: take picks auction him off, get another pick auction it off. 212 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: To put yourself in a position to get eventually what 213 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: you want. It is about kind of manipulating the board 214 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: and understanding the currency that comes about when you have 215 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: enough draft capital. That's why you're proposing getting a pregnant 216 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: puppy with a litter and all kinds of other stuff 217 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: that comes with it. Yeah, I uh, I got a 218 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: lot of I got a lot of blowback on my 219 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: pregnant pregnant. I thought it was a good analogy, Buck, 220 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: I thought it made sense. You know, you better be 221 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: careful with the dog actor just coming after you talking 222 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: about puppies and litters. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, 223 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: Bob Barker would not be happy. Yes, he would not 224 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: be happy. You would not make the showcase show didn't 225 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: I did not even think about Bob Barker. I've got 226 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: to use Bob Barker as my north star. And when 227 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: it comes to draft analogies, now, yeah, Mark Mark Mark 228 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: put in the chat here. It's not necessarily the truck 229 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: versus trailer analogy that's served us well over all these 230 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: years that came up a little short on that one. 231 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: But whatever I'll stick. I'll steer clear of animal analogies. 232 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: Trey Lance pro day, what do you think? Look, I mean, 233 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: I think he's everything that we believe him to be. 234 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: You know, you know, in a way, if we could 235 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: advise Trey Lance, if he hadn't a plate the one 236 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: game this year, what would we be saying about Trade Lance? 237 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: How differently would we view him in the evaluation? That 238 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: gave maybe the nitpickers, the naysayers, the doubters a reason 239 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: to go after him in his game, because if you 240 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: look at twenty nineteen, not that he was flawless, but 241 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: d J we had a conversation over the summer about 242 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: him maybe being in the conversation to be number one. 243 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: It was the big three trade Lands, Justin Fields and 244 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and who was going to duke it out 245 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: to be the number one. We loved him for what 246 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: he was able to do on that big stage at 247 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: North Dakota State, and now I think it's even better 248 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: when you look at North Dakota State without him this year. Yeah, 249 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: it's it's a huge difference. And so maybe that Central 250 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: Arkansas game was a preview on what he didn't have 251 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: around him and how he had to play. But I 252 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: think the guy is really talented. I think the athleticism 253 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: to arm talent, you see it. I think having the 254 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: physical picture, the visual man. He's a rocked up dude. 255 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: He looks like what they should look like when we 256 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: talk about quarterbacks in today's game, big physical. You saw 257 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: the arm talent well conditioned. The fitness level was not 258 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: a problem in terms of the pace and rhythm that 259 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: they were operating at. And you saw him deliver the 260 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: ball he layered or or whatever. He is going to 261 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: have some misfires. That is a part of who he is. 262 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: He's going to shorthop some he's gonna miss to the 263 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: right on the deep ball. Those are part of the deal. 264 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: But he is more than going to make up for 265 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: it with the athleticism and the running skills that he 266 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: brings to the table. And I think you just have 267 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: to understand it. He's like a home run hitter that's 268 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: gonna have a high volume of strikeouts, but when he 269 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: puts his bat on it, he's gonna knock it out 270 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: the park. Trey Lance is going to be a special 271 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 1: player in the league. Yeah, I was thinking of the 272 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: picture analogy because to me, it's just like he has 273 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: so much horsepower, like so much juice. So he's like 274 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: the guy that's throwing triple digits, who's gonna strike out 275 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: twelve guys, but he might walk three or four like mrs. 276 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: He's gonna be outside the strike zone on occasion. But 277 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: the thing about him that I think is so you know, 278 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: which which helps me to kind of push my chips 279 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: in a little bit and say, I really I believe 280 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: in this kid, is the fact that while he's developing 281 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: as a passer and trying to continue to improve there, 282 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: I've got somebody that can control my run game at 283 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, which he's done, you know, with 284 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: the responsibility he has in terms of mikes and directing 285 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: fronts and checking place he can do all that stuff. 286 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: But then I can use him on the design quarterback run. 287 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: So he's gonna be early in his career the first 288 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: couple of years, he's gonna be an eight to ten, 289 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: the eleven, the twelve carry guy. You know, like you're 290 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: gonna be able to incorporate him to be able to 291 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: make up for some of those misses. Um, you're gonna 292 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: be able to use his legs. So, in other words, 293 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: instead of sitting back in the cockpit on third and 294 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: four and trying to be precise and squeeze a bowl 295 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: in on on an option route, you can take off 296 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: and go. I mean, I can call his zone read 297 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: with him if I want. You know, it's funny, um 298 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: going back because I had to write a thing on 299 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz a couple of weeks ago and why it 300 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: will work out in Indianapolis. And when I went back 301 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: and I studied Carson Wentz in North Dakota State, I 302 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: noticed that his pitch count in North Dakota State varied 303 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: between twenty two to twenty nine throws. Again. And so 304 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: we've heard some people on the outside talk about trade lance, 305 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: like he he doesn't have a high volume of throws 306 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: and those things, And I think it's really important that 307 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: you understand that's not his game. If you take trade 308 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: lance and you put him in an offense and think 309 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: that he's going to throw it forty times, you're asking 310 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: him to do something that he's never really done, something 311 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: that he's probably uncomfortable doing because it's out of his 312 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: is out of his box. What trade Lance is what 313 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: you said. He is an eight to ten carry per 314 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: game to go with twenty throws and managing the offense. 315 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: If you run the offense like that where it's really 316 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: a team deal, which is why we talked about the 317 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: Shanahan system or some of these other systems that are 318 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: more run centric, other weapons are involved. That is how 319 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: he plays. But if you think you take Trey Lance 320 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: and put him into air rate, you you miss. You're 321 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: not utilizing what he does really well. You're not put 322 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: him in a position to really play to his talents. Yeah. 323 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: I can come up with four fits that I really 324 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: like with him, and to me, it starts with Atlanta 325 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: all the way up there at number four. And because 326 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: first of all, you don't have to play him right away, 327 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, you can let him sit behind Matt Ryan. 328 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense there, Arthur Smith, 329 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: we've discussed that for coming from Tennessee, he he wants 330 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more committed to the run game. 331 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: Trey Lance helps you accomplish that. Um, So he makes 332 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: sense there. I think you look at Carolina, who we've 333 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: talked about a lot. Now, is he gonna play the 334 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: game the way that you know. Joe Brady has been 335 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: around Drew Brees, He's been around Joe Burrow. He's not 336 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: going to play that style. But I think Joe Brady's 337 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: creative enough that he would know how to use him. 338 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: And I think he fits kind of into the overall 339 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: philosophy of Matt Rule just how he wants to be 340 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: a physical, tough athletic. He fits all those things. And 341 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: then I would say, um, you've got the other two 342 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: would be San Francisco at twelve in New England at 343 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: fifth team. I think all four of those teams make 344 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Yeah, interesting that you bring up. 345 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: I would say all four teams make a lot of sense. 346 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Atlanta because Arthur Smith, I believe you could use trade 347 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: lance just like you use Ryan Tannehill. I think it 348 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: makes sense the Carolina Panther thing, and I think it's 349 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: important to bring this up about Joe Brady. Joe Brady 350 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: worked at the knee of Joe Moorehead when Joe Moorehead 351 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: was at Penn State. Joe Moorehead is an r P 352 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: O master. That's what they did. That's what they did 353 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: at Penn State when they had that run with Trace 354 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: McSorley and s Quan and those guys. He did it 355 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: at Missipi State and then he's doing it at Oregon. Now. 356 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: I think that would be I think he has that 357 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: in his playbook that he could go to the r 358 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: p O game to help Trade Lance get off San 359 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: Francisco into England. San Francisco makes sense because the Shanahan 360 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: system is a natural fit. You would give Kyle Shanahan 361 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: the opportunity to not only do what he's always done, 362 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: but to also dig back into craze and put out 363 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: some of the r G three stuff that he did 364 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: with the Washington football team and then New England. New 365 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: England and to me really would make tremendousns because now 366 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: you have Ken Newton and Trey Lance and is the 367 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to completely rebuild the offense. And the way they 368 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: go about doing it is we have a mobile quarterback. 369 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: This is a new Patriots offense with a mobile quarterback 370 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: is taking the offense into the new era of quarterback. 371 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: And so I like all of those fits, and I 372 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: would expect Trade Lands to get a lot of interest 373 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: from those teams. Yeah, It's it's gonna be fun to 374 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: watch how that the quarterback carousel kicks off here and 375 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: we'll see I think, um, the Shawn Watson's kind of 376 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: the domino. You've got Russell Wilson out there. If both 377 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: those guys end up going back, we're gonna have a 378 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: fun offseason. But you know, I think we'll kind of 379 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: be able to predict a lot what's gonna take place. 380 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: Man if if one or both of those guys end 381 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: up getting traded, buck, get ready for some chaos. Man, 382 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna bananas. I am. I'm so ready to see 383 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: how this goes about. And it's funny because d we've 384 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: talked about it. I believe as the general manager position 385 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: has skewed younger, were more of the guys we grew 386 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: up with have kind of jumped into these seats. More 387 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: like baseball Now it's more like baseball, it's more like 388 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: fantasy football and baseball. When you make deals, you make 389 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: moves to make sure that you go and get get 390 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: it done. And so it's just important that we continue 391 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: to look at this stuff and see how our teams 392 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: putting the pieces of the puzzle together, because man, it's 393 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: a fascinating watch. Well, can I get We're not gonna 394 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: say who it is, because it's who knows if it 395 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: will happen. And I was sworn to secrecy on this, 396 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: but I did send you a text of a trade 397 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: that there's a rumor going around that could go down. 398 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: Can I just get your your reaction of if this 399 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: thing does happen, just just a couple of words, what 400 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: your reaction would be to this thing? Wow, surprise, positional value. 401 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: There you go. We'll see what happens. We'll see if 402 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: that happens. We'll we'll lay that out on the next 403 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: episode of doesn't Happen. Uh, we'll see. It's gonna be fun, though, 404 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: I hope we do get some trades and makes the 405 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: offseason fun. Uh. Speaking of fun, Buck had a chance 406 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: to catch up with our buddy Trent dilfor UH to 407 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: talk all things quarterback. Trent has been running the show 408 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: there at the Elite eleven. Buck has been working with 409 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: him for a long time on that, seeing the best 410 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: high school quarterbacks year after year, trying also spend some 411 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: time training to a talk about Iloa last year to 412 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: get him ready for the draft. So he offers great 413 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: insight and uh, we love when we get a chance 414 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: to catch up with him. So Here's Bucky's conversation with 415 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl winning quarterback Trent Dilford joining the Move the 416 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: six podcast, one of my best buddies, head coach of 417 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: Liftcum Academy, also the head coach of the Elite eleven 418 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: Quarterback camp. Like Trent, do you have so many job titles? 419 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: I can't get them all into the innthro How you doing, 420 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: my man? I'm doing great, Buck yourself, I'm doing well. 421 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, this is a fun time for us 422 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: because I feel like we get a chance to see 423 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: these young quarterbacks grow up in front of our eyes. 424 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: And so what I would like to do is go 425 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: back to seventeen. Two of the top guys that came 426 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: through the prosper process Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields. Let's start 427 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence. When you first laid as on Trevor Lawrence, 428 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: what did you think? I think he was a sophomore 429 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: freshman in high school. I can't remember, uh, And I 430 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: just said, I mean, here was a kid that already 431 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: was mature beyond his years. Obviously was a great athlete, 432 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: but was also pretty clean. You'd have been coached very 433 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: well in Georgia by Joey King, Uh, had developed well, 434 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: had played good. He played a lot of seven on 435 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: seven and already had played a lot of football at 436 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: the varsity level. So uh, he he looked like a 437 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: man even when he was fifteen, sixteen years old. And 438 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: as he went through the level process, he only grew 439 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: bigger and stronger and more powerful and honed his craft. 440 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: And but the thing I always the story I always 441 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: say about Trevor isn't the physical stuff. It's the mental stuff. 442 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: It's the competitive stuff. I remember at the opening, Uh, 443 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: there he was there. Uh he was a sponge with Craignall, 444 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: one of our coaches who played seven years in the NFL, 445 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: and you know, was bugging him late at night, going 446 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: into his room after hours and asked him to teach 447 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: him more ball. This is a kid that loves football. 448 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: He loves to learn. He has zero entitlement to him. 449 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: He has no ego as a team above self guy. 450 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: So he checks every single boxer is to check as 451 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: a prospect, and he was checking it back when he 452 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: was seventeen years old. I mean I remember seeing watching 453 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: him at the opening saying, this guy could go to 454 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: an NFL training camp right now, uh and throw one 455 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: on one throw routes on air and look like an 456 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. You know, it's funny that you you talk 457 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: about that. I just think to remember that it got 458 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: tough for him a little bit at at the opening 459 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: um in the finals. What did you discover and watching 460 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: him go through some adversity Uh, as a young person. Well, 461 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing I look for, to be quite 462 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: honest with you, a lot. I based a lot of 463 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: my evaluations off how they respond to setback. Uh. We 464 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: look at it in game with an acronym pace plays 465 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: after critical blaes. Uh, study that really hard. And then 466 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: in that environment a camp environment or a high school 467 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: football game environment, a practice environments off the field, a 468 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: guy can be a knucklehead off the field, and how's 469 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: he respond to that after the facts? So I think 470 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: it's I think that metric or that evaluation has a 471 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: lot to do with their long term success because you're 472 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of setbacks, You're gonna have a 473 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: lot of adversity. Uh. And it's it's not what happened 474 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: to you, it's how you respond to it. And Trevor 475 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: is a guy that whether it was the opening, whether 476 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: it was not winning the final game of his high 477 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: school career, whether it was a setback at Clemson, He's 478 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: always been a guy that bounces back better the next opportunity, 479 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: and that's really what you're looking for me. Tom Brady 480 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: has doing a lot of interceptions, He's lost a lot 481 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: of games, He's had a lot of stinkers, He's had 482 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: a lot of bad series. I think what separates him 483 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: is that relentless pursuit of the next opportunity, and that's 484 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: why he's been at his best for twenty one years 485 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: in those situations. You Know, it's funny because you talk 486 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: about UM Trevor. Trevor wins a national title very early 487 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: in his career, and then he gets Clempson back, but 488 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: he he loses in the semifinals and then loses in 489 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: the finals. UM, during those two years and watching him 490 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: as a college player, what are the things that you're 491 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: most impressed with and what do you think that he 492 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: has to continue to work on to be the player 493 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: that we all think that he could be at the 494 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: next level. We'll start with what he needs to improve on, 495 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: and it's been something he's been working on since high school, 496 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: but just recently in the last couple of months. He's 497 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: really identified it with Jordan Palmer. I spoke to Jordan 498 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and the things that Trevor 499 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: came in wanting to work on all the same things 500 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: that myself and Jordan and others kind of identified. He's 501 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: got to become more flexible in his upper torso, so 502 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: he has very poor thoracic flexibility. Therefore, he doesn't rotate 503 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: as a thrower. He goes distal and forward as a thrower, 504 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: so he tends to be wide and spread out at times. 505 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: Um that leads to some of the inconsistencies. I think 506 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: he addressed that already. He wants to play at a 507 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: more stable base. He wants to stay more level. Uh So, 508 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: fundamental stuff, fundamental stuff that will lead to more consistency. 509 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: And that's the only knock you can find on Trevor 510 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: is that every once in a while a ball will 511 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: get away from him when he's really trying to rip 512 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: it or when he's rushed, because there's some slight tweaks 513 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: he needs to make fundamentally, But that's really it. He 514 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: has is good eyes for the game, is good at 515 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: presence in the pocket, a feel four people around him 516 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: when to become when to attack the line of scrimmage 517 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: as a runner and win, to buy time with shuffles 518 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: and slides in the pocket, how to retreat it. There's 519 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: a great clip I think it's against Order Dame in 520 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: the in the playoff game where they're running kind of 521 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: a dive in fake a crossing route and then a 522 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: high corner off of it, and he's getting pressured and 523 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: quarterbacks would have not bought the time to make the 524 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: throw and he goes backwards in the pocket because the 525 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: defensive line linemen are coming up on him and takes 526 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: probably off the ball and lays it out to a 527 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: and they get thirty yards out of it. A little 528 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: nuances like that in this game. He's playing the professional 529 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: level game at the college level. Uh, he's a He's 530 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: a horsepower, twitch guy. And I kind of introduced this 531 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: concept a couple of years ago with Justin Herbert as 532 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: a sophomore and saying, you know, there's a guy coming 533 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: up that has a rare combination of horsepower and twitch 534 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: because simply what she gives you, guys have horse power, 535 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: they're very powerful, they're strong, Uh, they have physical confidence. 536 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: Think Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton some of the giants of 537 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: the game, but they lack some twitch. They lack that uh, 538 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: and the next thing you know, they're gone or their 539 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: their I see and it comes out of their hand. 540 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: And then you see a littler guys at times Johnny Manzel, Uh, 541 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: some of the smaller guys that they're so twitchy, but 542 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: they lack power. Well, very rarely do you find the 543 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: guys that have both. And and Justin is maybe as 544 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: good of a horsepower twitch guys I've ever seen. Uh. 545 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Andrew luck was really the first one lacked a little 546 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: twitch but had it. I thought Herbert was another one 547 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: that had it. Uh. And now you're looking at Lawrence, 548 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: who's really the ultimate model horsepower on twitch. So from 549 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: a trade standpoint, that's what it is. And then and 550 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: then he has every throw in the catalog. We always 551 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: talked about how big is your throw catalog. Some guys 552 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: are grade at outbreaking routes, some guys are good at 553 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: target routes. Some guys throw a lot of crossing routes. 554 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: Some guys throw some runaway runaway routes, deep ball, quick 555 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: game rpo, catch and throw whatever it is. He's got 556 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: them all. The one thing about this offense is it's 557 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it a system, and at times it's lacking. 558 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: But over his career, they have added volume to the 559 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: catalog and he's pretty much made every throw you're gonna 560 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: be asked to make in his college career. You know, 561 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: it's funny because I believe these two guys have always 562 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: been synonymous. You have to Trevor Lawrence in one corner, 563 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: Justin Fields in the other corner. What were your first 564 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: saw us when you saw Justin Fields for the first time. Rare, 565 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: rare physical specimen. Uh. You know, his his size, his 566 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: power output, his speed, and he's a true burner. Uh. 567 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: And then a craftsman like you don't. Most of those 568 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: guys are the butcher they you know, they have a 569 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: big machetting they chop up me and they make you 570 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: a pastronomy sandwich. Like. They're not real precise. Very rarely 571 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: do you find these specimens. They are also surgeons. They 572 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: know how to handle the tiniest tool that can save 573 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: your life. And he really approaches his craft with burning 574 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: desire to get better. He's been working with quins forever 575 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Uh, He's he's always working on becoming more 576 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: efficient as a passer. Uh. Show really showed up. Uh 577 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: in the playoff game against Clemson. You saw the nuance 578 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: to his game. Uh. He's a guy that is can 579 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: physically do everything, but doesn't rely on that all the time. 580 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: So he's a passer as long as he can be 581 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: a passer, and then he'll become an athlete. I think 582 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: in the NFL, with you know, quarterback design runs, you 583 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: don't use them a lot, but when you use them, 584 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: you tend to see walk in touchdowns by Russell Wilson 585 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: or Aaron Rodgers or whoever it is. I think he 586 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: can be a weapon that way. They don't think that's 587 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: being talked enough about with him. Is that to separate 588 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: him from some of the other guys. Uh, that's a 589 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: huge advantage in the tight red short yardage in the 590 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: game situation. I mean, how many one score games you 591 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: see in the NFL where you're in a four minute 592 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: situation and it's third and four and if you get 593 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: the first down, you win the game. If you don't, 594 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: you punt. You gotta punt it to Aaron Rodgers and 595 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: he's got fifty eight seconds left in the game to 596 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: beat you. Like that's where these quarterback driven runs are 597 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: really hard to defend. I think Justin's a massive weapon 598 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: in that he's a tough guy. I think that's something 599 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: is not nearly I've read through all these evaluations of 600 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: these players, and everybody has a lot of good stuff 601 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: to say. The one biggest thing that looks in their 602 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: evaluation is their toughness. Uh. This is a position where 603 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: you have to be a tough guy physically and mentally, 604 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: and both Trevor and Justin are tough guy and Justin's 605 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: he's a tough man's tough guy. Uh. People will point 606 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: to the playoff and say, oh, yeah, we saw a plan. 607 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: Jured it's more than that. It's the mental emotional resolve 608 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: that he's showing through his high school years, his college years, 609 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: what happened to him at Georgia, the transferred to Ohio State, 610 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 1: and negative talk around him, all the different things has 611 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: happened in his in his life. He is he's developed 612 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: a grit and resolve in a toughness that I will 613 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: stamp it right now. He'll be a wild success in 614 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: the NFL because of that. You know, you talk about 615 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: the toughness. I think it goes hand in hands with 616 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: being an outstanding leader. What are some of the leadership 617 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: qualities that you've seen in display? Well, both of them. 618 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: I think you can speak the same way about Trevor 619 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: and Justin as leaders. Uh, They're they're bold, They're willing 620 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: to step out there in front uh and be a 621 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: vocal voice and stand up for those that don't have 622 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: a voice. And look what Trevor did for as his team, 623 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: his city, his state, his country this year for college football, 624 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: Trevor showed boldness and stepping out in front of the 625 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: social justice issues COVID we want to play. He was. 626 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: He was a thought leader and a vocal leader at 627 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: every area. Justin has done the same thing on his 628 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: teams that you know, every team this year went through 629 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: more heaviness as a team than any teams in our past. 630 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: And both these guys stood above all of it and 631 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: lead their programs, lead their institutions, many cases, lead their 632 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: cities the right direction. And that takes courage for a 633 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: young man to do. There's a lot of year old 634 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: so don't have that courage, and yet these two young 635 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: men have it. You know, It's funny because um, with 636 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 1: the Justin Fields evaluations, I feel like people are missing 637 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: the IT factor, the special qualities that he's displayed in 638 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: high school and sometimes that we've been around him. When 639 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: you look at him, do you see the IT factor 640 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: in justin fields in his game? Absolutely he has, you know, 641 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: the in factor. We did a whole show on it. 642 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: It's very hard to quantify, but you feel it. It's 643 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: very hard to write it down what it is, yet 644 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: you see it. I think you have to be around 645 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: the position a lot. I think you have you around 646 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: team dynamics a lot. You have to kind of know, 647 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: you have to have some insider information from his coaches, 648 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: his teammates both at Georgian Ohio State, going back to 649 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: high school. I think you need to have a little context. Uh, 650 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: this is a kid that's always had the it. We 651 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with him as a counselor. 652 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: This summer at Alde eleven, we'll speak about Trey Lance. 653 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get to Tray. I would say he 654 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: has the same type of qualities. They have, that IT 655 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: quality where they make everybody around them better. Uh, there's 656 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: a humility to them, even though they have every reason 657 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: to be brash and and arrogant. Uh, there's a there's 658 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: a quality to where they always want to learn, but 659 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: yet they're confident, they don't doubt what they've learned already, 660 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: but want to learn more. Uh. There's a bunch of 661 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: elements to this, but yeah, Justin has it, uh, and 662 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: he's got more of it than you need. And he's 663 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: he's exciting prospect because the physical traits, the mental, emotional traits, 664 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: and then let's call him the IT trades, the IT factor. 665 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you bring up Trade Lance and 666 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: there hasn't been enough conversation about him, like you were 667 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: around Trade a lot, particularly this summer. What have you 668 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: learned from your interactions with Trey Lance? Yeah, I think 669 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: one thing has happened in this process, and again I'm 670 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: not being critical. It's a natural flow of this pre 671 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: draft process. Is once Mac became a story because Mac 672 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: was a guy that wasn't even a draftable player last 673 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: year he was on anybody's board, and now he's been 674 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: talked about being in a first round pick. When that 675 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: became kind of it was gonna be Trevor, Justin and 676 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: then Zack Wilson and Mac Jones all of a sudden 677 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: become big conversations. Well, there's not enough time in the 678 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: day to talk about the guy that I actually would 679 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: put third, and that's trade Lands. Now. I wouldn't put 680 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: him third to play right away. There is definitely a 681 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: REP experience issue that the gap needs to be filled. 682 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: If you draft this young man needs played a majority 683 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: of your preseason snaps this year and probably next year. 684 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: You need a year one plan. Probably not to put 685 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: him on the field because he has limited reps high school. 686 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: He was not a high volume thrower. He ran kind 687 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: of a version of the wing t's. North Dakota State 688 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: doesn't get a ton of starts over his career, so 689 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: you've got to build up that REP pattern. But if 690 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: you want to talk about juice, personality, toughness, it's UH. 691 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: I've had him in my office and here in Nashville. 692 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: I spent the summer with them UH at the lead 693 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: as a counselor here's a kid that haigned for the game. 694 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: Those of you that don't know anything about North Dakota 695 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: State offensive football is as complex as the NFL. UH. 696 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: They played multiple personnel groupings, multiple shifts and motions, tons 697 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: of run checks, checks within run checks, reads, r P 698 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: O S. H Endless amounts of of information that he 699 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: had to digest every week. He was a kid that 700 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: went to all their coaches meeting, so he acted as 701 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: a coach even as a young player in college. He's 702 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: a sponge, he's a break for the game, football junkie. 703 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: So you had that with all the physical traits, and 704 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: if you went back fifteen years old school evaluation, he 705 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: could be the first pick of the draft because you 706 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: drafted off stature traits and how smart they were, and 707 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: it was pretty that it was pretty much that simple. Uh, 708 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: he would you would just chock him up because he's 709 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: as physically gifted as any of them, his statures as 710 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: big as in him. He has the strongest arm of 711 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: the group. Uh. And then I could add the context 712 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: if he's as good a learner, as good as teammate, 713 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: good as anybody in the draft. You know, here we 714 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 1: go final think, uh Mad Jones, because we were around 715 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: Mac Jones a little bit doing the process. What do 716 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: you know about Mac Jones and the success? Are you 717 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: surprised by the success that he's been able to have 718 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: his final season at Alabama? I'm really not one, because 719 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, I've always said his quarterbacks is that as 720 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: dependent of a position as anybody, as any position in sport. 721 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: Yes it's important, Yes it's impactful, but it's also very dependent. 722 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: So he has a lot of good players around him 723 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: to help him look good. And I thought starked an 724 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 1: incredible job of evolving the offense around his skill set 725 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: allowed him to do more where he could throw the 726 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: ball in time, he could play within the structure of 727 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: the offense, and he could use his brain to get 728 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: advantageous matchups. And I think one of the great things 729 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: Alabama's offense this year was how how mac Jones ran 730 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: the show. He processed a laudation and small amounts of time, 731 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: he was able to find their matchups that created the 732 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: biggest advantages for him. He was highly precise as a thrower. 733 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: He's got very good throwing talent. Uh he where he 734 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: lacks is the ability to play second reaction football. So 735 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: if you're drafting him, you need to draft him to 736 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: a situation where you're going to be more of an operator. 737 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna operate the offense, You're gonna have a lot 738 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: of keys the line of scrimmage to get into the 739 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: best plays. He's as good as athlete as Peyton Manning 740 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: and he's as good as athlete as Tom Brady. Uh, 741 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: he needs to play that style of offense. If he is. 742 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: If that's your plan for him, then he's a first 743 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: round pick because he has their first round mental traits 744 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: and throwing traits. But if you're gonna ask him to 745 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: do something that he can't do well, then you're making 746 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: a mistake. So this is one of those drafts where 747 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: the GM head coach coordinator all have to be some 748 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: potico on what you're gonna ask him to do. Uh. 749 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: If you put him in a New England style system, 750 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: and now some of those coaches are everywhere where they 751 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: put in a massive a massive amount of burden on 752 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: the quarterback to learn everything about everybody. So not only 753 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: you have to know the quarterback position, they've got to 754 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 1: know all the offensive line, run game, and pass game. 755 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: You have multiple calls for the same thing. You're you're 756 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: installing fifty sixty new things a week. If that's your system. 757 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: I think Mac Jones is a great pick. But if 758 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: you're in a system Andy Reid, where you're gonna expect 759 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: your quarterback to buy some time and move around and 760 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: be an artist and create and paint a picture in 761 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: the middle of a play terrible pick. He's probably not 762 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 1: a top five round pick if that's what you're gonna 763 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: ask him to do. So again every year people want 764 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: to have lists, and I don't wonder how many mock 765 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: drafts you've done with more information coming out. It's not 766 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: about where they rank, it's about where they fit. There 767 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: are certain players that are transcendent type players. They can 768 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: fit anywhere. Trevor Justin I was put I would put 769 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: as those two of those guys. I would go as 770 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: far as putting trade there, given the time to row 771 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: as a player, not right away, given time. Zack I'm 772 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: not sure about, honestly, having't finished my grading not on 773 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson, I have some doubts there, but also see 774 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that everybody else sees. But 775 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: Mac Jones is not a transcendent player. Kellen Monds on 776 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: a transcendent player. Sam Ellinger isn't transcendent player. They can 777 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: be successful pros put in the right systems. But you're 778 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: really talking about for sure too guys in this draft 779 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: justin fields, Trevor Lawrence, You've put aim Ani system in football, 780 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: and they're gonna find a way to make it better. 781 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: Last thing, whach we believe in two A talk about 782 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: little bouncing back. Why wouldn't you That's the question I 783 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: keep asking is why wouldn't you Look at his career, 784 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: Look look at everything he's ever done. Don't forget we're 785 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 1: just a few years or removed from tank with TWA. 786 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 1: Then look at who the Miami Dolphins were last year. 787 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the biggest criminal narratives that's 788 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: happened in the last few years around quarterbacks is that 789 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: TOA didn't play well, to have played very well considering 790 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: what he had. They were terrible offensively from a skilled 791 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: position aspect. He's coming off massive injuries, he has no 792 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: O t A s, no offseason, very complex system, and 793 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 1: now they've changed cordon and they've changed the offensive staff. 794 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: Like this kid has gone through a lot and he 795 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: still played pretty efficient ball with what they asked him 796 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 1: to do. I think, with the addition to Charlie Fry 797 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 1: as a quarterback coach, who mean you will both knows 798 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: one of the great coaches young coaches and all football 799 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: has a relationship with TAH. I think with what they've 800 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: redone with their offensive staff and all these picks. You 801 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: give this guy talent around him, you give him a 802 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: system system where you can unleash him. And just because 803 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: he didn't play as well as Barrow and Herbert near one, 804 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: I really don't care about your one. And here's the 805 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: short sidedness of the NFL narratives. Who cares about your one? 806 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: None of them won any games anyways. Who can take 807 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: him to a Super Bowl? And I believe with what 808 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: Miami has from an ammunition standpoint, from draft capital to 809 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 1: the leadership of Flora's and the rest of that building, UH, 810 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: to a process in place with good coaches to bring 811 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: out the best into UH. Let's have this conversation three 812 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: years and see which one is the best in three years. 813 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: Hey man, I appreciate you, Trent. Thanks so much for 814 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: shaning on that inside. It was great. You gotta puck. 815 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,479 Speaker 1: Always fun to be with you, all right, Buck. I mean, look, 816 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: Trent is uh. You know you want to be passionate 817 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: about what you do. You can definitely feel the passion 818 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: when Trent gets going on QBS. Yeah, he loves the quarterbacks. 819 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: He loves these guys because he develops a relationship with 820 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: them at a very early age. And I think his 821 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: insight UM should be listened to because see those guys 822 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: in a bunch of different situations, and you identify these 823 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: guys very very early. And so when we talk about 824 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: generational talents and those who have these um special abilities 825 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: and rare qualities, you see them very very early, particularly 826 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: in high school. UM. I think the conversation that we 827 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: will have and we will continue to have to me 828 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: is the guy that is kind of I guess he's 829 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: in the group, but I still view him outside of 830 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: the group, and that's mac Jones DJ. I think the 831 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: conversation that we will have is how much pure talent 832 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: does he have and how much when you're grading him, 833 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: are we grade him on the production and the performance 834 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: within the system or we grade him on his individual 835 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: talents and what he will bring to a team, Because 836 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: I think depending on the prism that you use, your 837 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: grades are going to differ. And I think it's important 838 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: as you project them to a new team that you're 839 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: able to accurately as says, who he is and how 840 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: he has to be utilized to max out what he 841 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: brings to the table. Yeah, I think in order to 842 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: know what he is, you need to know who you are. 843 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a great way in looking 844 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: at that buck. I mean, it's not gonna work for everybody, 845 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: but it could really work for somebody. So you gotta 846 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: know what you have and what you have in place. 847 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: I also thought the stuff with Ta was fascinating, you know, 848 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: just in terms of the lack of support that he 849 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: had around him. Um, I'll steer clear of analogies. I've 850 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: done my analogies for the day, but I what I did. 851 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: I did have a dancing analogy, and there's something about like, hey, 852 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: if you know the baby's coming, you better get the 853 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: crib set up and have the baby better. You know what. 854 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: You know what I can see. I can see, um, 855 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: a graphic of like TWA's face on a little baby, 856 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 1: on a baby's body. I can see a bass in net. 857 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: I can see the drink is in like the little 858 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: rocking little rocking chair rock. I can see everything, the 859 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: nursery set up, changing table, you have to change table, 860 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: you're diaper, genie, all that other stuff that you need. 861 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: You bring the baby home because the dolphins need to 862 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: make sure they have the accessories to make sure he 863 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: can he can have a thriving little little little Todd shildhood. 864 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean I think I just think 865 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: that tool is looking around like we're the diapers. We're 866 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: diapers in here? Where my binkie? Where's almost uff? That's 867 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: the most important part because we talked about it in 868 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: a baby blanket. He needs something to make him very comfortable, comfortable, 869 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: and so we would like to find that in the 870 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: passing game. Is that to tie it in? Is that 871 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: a playmate on the outside? Is that a running back 872 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: behind him? Two? It needs a banky were not to 873 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: make sure we get him a bank? Oh maybe he 874 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: needs a Jamaar Chase lounger. Huh huh that little rocket 875 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 1: gladder sep. Yeah, just name a Jamaar Jamar Chase like that. 876 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: Brian Flores knows how to swaddle so he can put it. 877 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm just going for the world's record for the weirdest 878 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: analogies in one podcast. I'm good. I'll retire on that one. Um. 879 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, Amy trask our freend that social 880 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: media whispers to self didn't have pregnant dog on my 881 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:15,399 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah tweet. Yeah, I would be so good man. Hey, 882 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: anything else you want to add before we jump out 883 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: of here? Buck, No, I think it's fascinating. DJ. We'll 884 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: talk more about free agency. We have talked about the 885 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: value of position list ball, Kyl. You check stial With 886 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: forty Niners paying a full back the amount of money 887 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: that they're paying him, I think it increases the value 888 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: and it still shows you how you might need to 889 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: look for those full backs when we're on the road scouting. 890 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm still he's never gonna get there, but man, I 891 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: would love to see if somehow Kyle Pitt's got to 892 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: the forty Niners just to add to the versatility and 893 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,720 Speaker 1: the positionless football that they're gonna play. Oh my gosh, 894 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: that'd be fun, a lot of fun. No chance, no 895 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: chance he gets there. Um, all right, that was fun, 896 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 1: one man. Great to catch up, Buck, and I know 897 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: we'll be texting offline and see what happens over free 898 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: agency here over the next couple of days, and we'll 899 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: wrap it all up on the next episode of the show. 900 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for us Today. I want 901 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 1: to courage you guys to check out the video show 902 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: we've got. It's gonna be uh digitally, you can find 903 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 1: that NFL dot Com. That's gonna be five pm Eastern 904 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: on Thursday, you'll also be able to find it on 905 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: the network. You'll be able to find on NFL network 906 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: a little later this week. It's a little different schedule 907 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: with what's going on with free agency, so that will 908 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: be Thursday night. That will be eleven pm Pacific, So 909 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,879 Speaker 1: if you're on the West Coast and you're up late, 910 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: you can find that Thursday, uh there, so be on 911 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: the lookout for that. And then also Saturday, if you 912 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 1: want to get up early there on the East coast 913 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: seven am Eastern, you'll be able to find the Move 914 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: the Sticks show on NFL network, So be on the 915 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,439 Speaker 1: lookout for that. But that's gonna do it for us today. 916 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: Appreciate you hanging with us. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. 917 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: Will catch you next time right here on Move the Sticks, 918 00:44:48,400 --> 00:45:05,959 Speaker 1: presented by Castro Edge. You have got to love