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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history, a little known facts

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Speaker 1: behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows and more or

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Speaker 1: your lifeguards on this deep dive. My name is Jordan

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Speaker 1: run Tug. You're just gonna spring that one on me.

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Speaker 1: Lifeguards to the deep dive. That from you. It's all

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Speaker 1: right and I'm Alex Heigl and get ready for us

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Speaker 1: to say it belongs in a museum far too many

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Speaker 1: times through the course of this episode, because we are

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Speaker 1: looking at Antiques road Show. Let's get Public Television hoped. Yes.

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Speaker 1: The Crown Jewel and PBS is line up turns twenty

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Speaker 1: five this year, and ever since The Joy of Painting

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Speaker 1: went off the air, the Antiques road Show has been

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite chillout, sleepy time views, and the

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Speaker 1: eight million people who tune in weekly seemed to agree.

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Speaker 1: It's currently the most watched of any ongoing PBS series.

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Speaker 1: And this is interesting. It started as a British TV

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Speaker 1: show in nine and I think it fulfills the same

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Speaker 1: role as another beloved British TV show that's exploding today,

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Speaker 1: The Great British Bake offf where everything is gentle and

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Speaker 1: politely teach you about something hyper specific and you just

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Speaker 1: watch and you take the ride. And I'd argue we

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Speaker 1: strive for that on this show as well, but Antiques

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Speaker 1: Road Show does it so much better. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: not a thing for me. I don't. I didn't not, Nope, nope,

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Speaker 1: is the strange sense of excitement watching it too. And

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it's a treasure hunt. And

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Speaker 1: I think that the fact that they have everyday people

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Speaker 1: parading through with their heirlooms in wagons and stuff is

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Speaker 1: the secret to the Antiques Road Show success. If the

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Speaker 1: show took place at a high end auction house, it

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Speaker 1: would be garbage. But instead, the show rolls through various cities,

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Speaker 1: representing a cross section of people and geography, and this

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Speaker 1: makes it so much more relatable and also more like

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Speaker 1: a treasure hunt. You know. The beauty of this show

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Speaker 1: is that it sparks this tantalizing notion in all of

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Speaker 1: us that untold riches are just gathering dust in your

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Speaker 1: attic or your closet or your basement. But unlike shows

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Speaker 1: like Pond Stars or American Pickers, it's not centered around

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Speaker 1: turning a profit or competitive commerce. So sure you watch

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Speaker 1: the money and you watch people's reactions, but that's not

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Speaker 1: really what it's about. It's about knowledge and seeing what

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Speaker 1: people hold dear, and I think that's really fascinating. The

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Speaker 1: writer Stephen Laurie wrote about this in an article last

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Speaker 1: year for the Atlantic called the Surprising Politics of Antiques

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Speaker 1: road Show, and he said road Show may not follow

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Speaker 1: a traditional plot, but watch it enough and you'll see

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Speaker 1: that it's telling a cumulative story about value. Well, the

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Speaker 1: valuation of an object dangles over each conversation. The underlying

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Speaker 1: ethic of every segment is not what the odor already

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Speaker 1: knows about the object and what the specialists can add

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Speaker 1: are correct. The show might seem to be vulnerable to

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Speaker 1: changing tastes, but it's counterintuitive message the sanctity of stories,

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised to hear I mean no, I mean look

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Speaker 1: I'm a pack rat. I am surrounded by the detritus

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Speaker 1: to tune out whenever you preferce something with somebody writing

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Speaker 1: at the Atlantic. Do you have anything in your collection

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know what, Actually I do. I have

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Speaker 1: This is my really, this is my really imagine saying

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Speaker 1: two of those now? Exactly? I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: wait when did that happen? Um? Yeah, but I looked

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Speaker 1: know one of my assorted collection of ephemeraid choose to

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Speaker 1: also keep urine in jars, so i'd probably bring those. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you wouldn't be the first I know.

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Speaker 1: It's the only thing I knew about this in advance. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: biggest pay days, the worst soul crushing disappointments, plus scams

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Speaker 1: and shenanigans from the surprisingly cutthroat world of antiquing. And

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Speaker 1: there was also the time that one of the appraisers

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Speaker 1: further here is everything you never knew about the Antiques

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Speaker 1: Road Show. Now. On the episode of Jeopardy, we talked

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Speaker 1: on the Antiques Road Show are slightly higher, but not much.

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Speaker 1: Antiques Road Show visit six cities per year for tapings

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Speaker 1: People literally camped out overnight hoping to get in like

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Speaker 1: The Antiques Road Show. Just as an example, according to

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Speaker 1: Collectors Weekly, more than twenty two thousand people applied for

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Speaker 1: me about the glass fire extinguisher. Jordan's Yeah, this was

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Speaker 1: or at least the provenance of their item. Producers shoot

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Speaker 1: it's because the people are boring. So if you've studied

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Speaker 1: end items for security reasons. They may not want their

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Speaker 1: every presidential cabinet member, spanning from George Washington to Franklin Roosevelt,

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Speaker 1: you know, beanie baby collection is monetarily worthless and wanted

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Speaker 1: But in their continuing efforts, to be friends to collectors

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Speaker 1: as a joke. But then one day he was notified

428
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: that his order had been processed and was on its way.

429
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: So it's like three million dollars please, um, So that's incredible. Uh.

430
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: The details on the story, like I said, are fuzzy

431
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: as to the identity of the person and the Champagne.

432
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: But to mark the hundredth anniversary of the sinking of

433
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Speaker 1: the Titanic, in a luxury hotel in Hong Kong, restaged

434
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: the final first class meal on the Titanic, consumed just

435
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: hours before it sank. It was ten courses and reservations

436
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: cost ten thousand dollar was a person. But it was

437
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: likely worth it, at least for Titanic nerds like me,

438
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: because a bottle of the vintage high Stick and Monopole

439
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: from the wreck was served, and it reportedly tastes great,

440
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: which is good because it very easily could have gone

441
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: the other way. UM experts tasted wine from a hundred

442
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: and fifty one year old Civil War shipwreck and an

443
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: event in Charleston a few years back, and the one

444
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: reportedly tasted like quote crab water, gasoline, salt water, vinegar

445
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: with hints of citrus and alcohol. Oh that's disgusting. Crab water. Huh,

446
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: how do you even get past the gasoline to finish

447
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: the citrus on the back end, let's very crab forward,

448
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: very crab forward, medium body, a gasoline like mouth feel.

449
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: And on the back end, yeah, I'm getting some citrus. Notes.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

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Speaker 1: right back with more. Too much information in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Neither of the olive oil guy or the yeah British

453
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Speaker 1: if this would have been the good old us of

454
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Speaker 1: A there probably would have been some at least angry

455
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: phone calls, if not firearms pulled. Yeah, but you know,

456
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: despite all this talk of police escorts and home invasions,

457
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: they also get some crazy people. Uh. Speaking in a

458
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: reddit a m a from a few years ago, the

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Speaker 1: show's executive producer Marcia Bemko said, we have nut jobs

460
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: at every show. My favorite nut job of all times

461
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: the lady in Spokane who accused me of taking her

462
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: ruby necklace and replacing it with a costume ruby necklace.

463
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: She was convinced she was the Queen of nut jobs.

464
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Speaker 1: In that person's defense, the show has messed up on occasion,

465
00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: but usually they round up case case in point. Grotesque

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Speaker 1: face jug which will be this episode's hashtag if not

467
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: piss bottle. I don't know. Folks tweeted us using the

468
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: hashtag crab juice if you would prefer us to use

469
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: the hashtag grotesque face jug or piss bottle. Uh, that's

470
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: literally what they called the episode Grotesque Face Jug. Banner

471
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Speaker 1: year for Antiques Road Show, a man by the name

472
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: of Alvin Barr brings in a strange looking jug with

473
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Speaker 1: a disfigured face that he picked up at an estate sale.

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00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: It was hideous and covered with straw, dirt and chicken poop.

475
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: It was very dirty, he said an interview with The

476
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Speaker 1: Washington Post. That is what I don't read these ad

477
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: It was very dirty. I had to have it. It

478
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: speaks to me. Uh, I don't know how many times

479
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: this is gonna take me to get through. It was

480
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: very dirty, he said in an interview with The Washington Post.

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00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: I had to have it. It speaks to me. It

482
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: was saying, I'm very unusual, I'm very different. He showed

483
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: out three hundred bucks for It's certain that he'd overpaid,

484
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: but he just had to have the grotesque, filthy, chicken

485
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: smear juggs. He takes it to antique road show and

486
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Speaker 1: he's shocked when appraiser Stephen Fletcher tells him this jug

487
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Speaker 1: is worth between thirty and fifty K. He declares it

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00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: a collectible piece of pottery from the late nineteenth century,

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00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: and you know, prefaces that by saying he's been in

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00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: the business for twenty years. Alvin Barr rendered speechless at

491
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: this turn in his fortunes. Then a few months later,

492
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: PBS gets a call from a woman named Betsy Sewell.

493
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: Turns out the jug that Fletcher had thought to be

494
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: a unique art piece from the mid Atlantic coast of

495
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: nineteenth century America was just a high school art project

496
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Speaker 1: she made in the seventies in Oregon. Wrong century, wrong

497
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Speaker 1: part of America. Oh boy. Yeah. A friend called Betsy

498
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: to let her know that her weird pot she had

499
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: made decades earlier, was on antiques road show. She did

500
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: not pursue a career in ceramics and claimed to have

501
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: no knowledge of the art style that Fletcher felt her

502
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: pot was representative of. This surprising. He waxed poetic for minutes.

503
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: Just look at when we look at the base clay,

504
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: it's red ware, and the potter is used an impressive

505
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: array of techniques to come up with this extraordinary texture.

506
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: This in its own way, is really over the top.

507
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: It's bizarre and wonderful. You even see a little bit

508
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: of like poplop acasso go on here. Uh yeah. And

509
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: even after this came out, he he didn't double down,

510
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: but he said it's still worth between three and five thousand,

511
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: an important piece of American folk art. Yeah. He released

512
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: a statement admitting that as far as its age is concerned,

513
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I was fooled, as were some of my colleagues, but

514
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: the pots owner had a good sense of humor, quoted

515
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: as saying, I hated it when it was worth thirty

516
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: thousand and fifty thousand, because who once dollars laying around

517
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: their house. Now it's on my table and I love it.

518
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: But it's still even at three to five thousand dollars,

519
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: still ten times when he paid for it. Question, did

520
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: he get bobs a lot? You know what, I don't know.

521
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that, thinking that they were like some

522
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: kind of old an acarina Galileo era like pieces. I

523
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: just know all the stoners in my high school would

524
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: make ocarinas because it was the simplest musical instrument to make,

525
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: and then you could also put a screen in it

526
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: and make a pipe out of it. M hmm, I

527
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: mean my high school just used like apples. Oh yeah,

528
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: we also used apples. Uh. This was a fairly big

529
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: scandal as far as PBS shows were concerned. The show's

530
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: producers are pretty insistent that the appraisals are merely quote

531
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: verbal approximations of value, but this was a bit beyond that.

532
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: Pale but yeah, man, hashtag grotesque face jug but you

533
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: know what with someone understandable because these people are aren't

534
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: even paid, right, Yes, the antiques show appraisers are not

535
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: paid to be on the show. Uh. They're upwards of

536
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: seventy of appraisers on any given episode. Producers say that

537
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: paying all of them would make the show a financial impossibility,

538
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: so these highly trained experts do it purely for love

539
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: of the game or more likely love of exposure. Again,

540
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: eight nine million weekly viewers plus yet free breakfast and lunch,

541
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: that's that's that's yeah. So these experts and praisers sometimes

542
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: spends upwards of ten grand out of pocket just to

543
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: participate in a roadshow tour where they hit different cities,

544
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: but passion certainly does enter into it. There are times

545
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: when these experts get to handle artifacts that they've read

546
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: about their entire lives and never got to see up close.

547
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: So that can be nice for them to see them.

548
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, you see it on some of the episodes

549
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: two they just totally geek out. We'll talk about this

550
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: pocket watch later in the episode that this watch expert

551
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: had been reading about for decades and finally got to

552
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: see in person. And that's cute, but it can be

553
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: grueling work because remember two artifacts for ticket holders, that's

554
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: five thousand artifacts to be appraised by around seventy people

555
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: a day, so it's understandable if mistakes do occur. But

556
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: the appraisers are actually sort of the m vps of

557
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: the show, because unlike a lot of reality programming, there's

558
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: no group of producers interviewing people in advance to try

559
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: to get the juiciest or most heart wrenching stories untill

560
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: on air. In fact, there are only three producers at

561
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: any given tour stops circulating throughout the convention center, and

562
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: they rely on the appraisers to basically act as like

563
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: line producers to find the most interesting objects or compelling

564
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: stories and bring it to their attentive potential filming. And

565
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, only something like one percent of

566
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: items brought to the convention hall on any given day

567
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: actually make it to air. So there's competition between all

568
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: the appraisers because after all, they paid out a pocket

569
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: to be there, and they want to get a return

570
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: on their investment by getting on TV and getting national exposure.

571
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: So everyone's competing for airtime. So they pitched this roving

572
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: trio of producers fair objects arguing that this is really

573
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: what's worth sharing with millions on TV. So the appraises

574
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: will have a preliminary meeting with a guest to suss

575
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: things out, see what their object is, see what the

576
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: story is, see if they're intrigued. Then they'll call colleague

577
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: over and get a second opinion. And if they both agree,

578
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: like this is really cool, it's just really something that

579
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe deserves to be on the show, they'll

580
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: flag down a producer plead their case. And according to

581
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: the show's executive producer Marsha Bemko, these appraisers are excellent

582
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: sales people, so in her words, they pitch it like

583
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: a mad bunny, and they tend to go for story

584
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: over big ticket value. And the show has passed on

585
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: featuring paintings that are worth half a million dollars because

586
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: the stories behind them aren't that interesting. So the items

587
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: that stay in the best chance of getting airtime are

588
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: the ones that have interesting history, or the owner's story

589
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: is captivating, or the appraiser or something really cool to add.

590
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: That's really what they go for, its story over price.

591
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: So these appraisers are really on the spot segment producers,

592
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: and in a sense they're the ones identifying the stories,

593
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: figuring out what to add to it, and then delivering

594
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: their spiel on air. So it's impressive all that they

595
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: have to do. The cardinal sin of Antiques Road Show

596
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: the appraisers can't buy stuff for all their hard work.

597
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: That's the major caveat. They cannot, under any circumstances, purchase

598
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: any of the items they appraise. This has been referred

599
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: to by producers as the cardinal sin on the show.

600
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: It's supposed to keep the show as clean and above

601
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: board as possible and avoid any potential conflicts of interest.

602
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: One of the appraisers said they can't even exchange business

603
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: cards on the set. So if someone gets a high

604
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: value appraisal on their item and says, hey, can you

605
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: sell this for me? Can you give me your business card?

606
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: They say, well, we can't do that now. Right outside

607
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: the venue, literally outside the doors, as a table that

608
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: has everybody's business card on it, outside of you know,

609
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: the jurisdiction of the Antiques Road Show producers. Look for

610
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: me out there, my cards on that table. Call me

611
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: in a week and we'll talk about it. But business

612
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: cards cannot exchange hands wall on the set for the

613
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: antiques road show taping. That's how strict they are about

614
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: wanting to make sure that there's no funny business because

615
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: there has been funny business. How do they vet these people?

616
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Can I do it? Um? Well, it's for free right

617
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: in this next story? Uh? You probably could? Hell yeah,

618
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: all right, Well there's hope for all of us. Stay

619
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: tuned for my mid career pivot to unpaid antiques road

620
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: show appraiser, extremely corrupt unpaid antiques or show appraiser. You

621
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first, Yeah, Apparently during the filming of

622
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: the very First American the very first episode, that's what

623
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I saw, at least the first season. But I saw

624
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: a very first episode, Greatest Country in the World, Take

625
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: a Beautiful Suite didn't even last the whole episode before

626
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: we ruin it and dragged the Civil War into it. Okay,

627
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: I love This story has to do with the military

628
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: artifacts deal named Russ Pritchard, the third That guy's racist

629
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: who usually showed him try and bolster his reputation as

630
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: an expert on Civil War artifacts, and one of the

631
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: shows he had praised a rare antique sword, which turns

632
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: out was all a prearranged set up. The guy who

633
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: brought in the sword was Pritchard's friend, and he didn't

634
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: own the thing. It seems like he was just trying

635
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: to do something to build his reputation. But it gets

636
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: more bizarre than that. Having established himself as an expert,

637
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: Pritchard then gave phony low ball appraisal on items his

638
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: business partner with then buy these items for this lower

639
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: price and then turn around and resell them for a

640
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: massive profit for what they were actually worth. It's a

641
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: great scheme. You use a well established TV show to

642
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: sell yourself as a memorabilia expert lower owners of Civil

643
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: War antiques, and then you set your own price with

644
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: sellers across the country. But it all came crashing down

645
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: in when Antiques Road Show was contacted by descendants of

646
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: Civil War major Samuel J. Wilson, who had watched the show.

647
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: Pritchard appraised Wilson's Civil War sword at nearly eight grand

648
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: and bought it with the intent to display it in

649
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: the National Civil War Museum in Pennsylvania. Instead, he and

650
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: his business partner coordinated the sale the sword for twenty grand.

651
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: Pritchard and his business partner were indated in March two

652
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: one on charges of wire fraud, mail fraud, witness tampering

653
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: and giving false testimony, and additional indictments followed as other

654
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: fraudulent activities came to light. They both pled guilty and

655
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: were sentenced to prison in two thousand two. God, that's

656
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: some serious like chicanery. Yeah, for something as pure as

657
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: the Antiques Road Show. I love how offended you are

658
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: in Antiques Road Show's behalf I am you didn't get

659
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: this worked up over pissed jug all right? Show gets darker. Yes.

660
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: I spoke earlier about Antiques Road Show's tireless attempts to

661
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: recover missing artifacts and artwork, but in two thousands six

662
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: it may have gone some way in helping recover a

663
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: missing person, hopefully kind of sort of. A famous Australian

664
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: rugby player named Chris Dawson was arrested in eighteen thirty

665
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: six years after his wife Lynnette, went missing from their

666
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: family home in Chris Dawson was having an affair with

667
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: a student at the school where he worked at the time,

668
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: so it seemed like a fairly I hate to say

669
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: it but open and shut case killing a spouse to

670
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: carry on with an affair. However, Chris Dawson claimed that

671
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: his wife can't be dead and therefore he can't be

672
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: a murderer because he saw his missing wife in the

673
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: background of a two thousand six episode of Antiques Show

674
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: that was filmed in Cornwall, England. However, Lynette's other family

675
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: members think that this is garbage, and in Chris Dawson

676
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: was charged with her murder, to which he pleaded not guilty.

677
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: I think the case is still being tried. Well, all's well,

678
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: that ends well, And this brings us to the moment.

679
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: You've probably all been waiting for the big ticket items,

680
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: the most expensive items ever valued on Antiques Road Show.

681
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: But to be clear, naming the most expensive item ever

682
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: is difficult because the figure given is an appraisal as

683
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: opposed to what the item was actually sold for, and

684
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: these figures are also updated as the markets fluctuate, so

685
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: it's tough. For example, the Diego rivera painting we mentioned earlier,

686
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: the expert who appraised it the first time on the

687
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: show added an extra million dollars a few years later

688
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: to reflect the high market prices of other works by

689
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: the artists. So we'll be examining a selection of the

690
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: most valuable items um as a point of fact, The

691
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: city where the most six figure appraisals occurred was Palm Springs, California,

692
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: followed by Baltimore Balmer, which good for Man. The thing

693
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: that's most often recognized as having the highest valuation on

694
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: Antiques Road Show is a collection of Chinese cups made

695
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: from the horns of Rhinoceroses Rhinoceros Rnacerai. A man from

696
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: Tulsa brought them to the show in twoven. He said

697
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: he began his collection in the early seventies. We made

698
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: a trip to Bath, England, and he popped into an

699
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: antique store and apparently blew the majority of his vacation

700
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: budget on one of these cups, which were made in

701
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: China for ceremonial purposes. I had to have it. It

702
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: was very dirty. It speaks to me, it was very dirty.

703
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: He had to have it. Uh. This first one cost

704
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: him around five hundred dollars, and over the years he'd

705
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: spend about five grands until he had a full set

706
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: of five cups. And I've seen a span on the

707
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: dates that they were supposedly made. Some I think are

708
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: from the seventeenth century, whereas I saw that some were

709
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: from a thousand years b c. Yeah, so I'm a

710
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: little confused about how old these cups are. But apparently

711
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: this guy just liked him and despite their slightly problematic

712
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: overtones of using endangered species tusks as a material as

713
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: a building material, uh, he just really liked him. But

714
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 1: the Antiques Road Show's Asian art expert Lark E. Mason

715
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: valued the collection between one million and one point five million,

716
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: the highest valuation on any item in the show's history

717
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: at the time. And apparently the whole endangered species thing

718
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: worked in his favor because part of the reason it's

719
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: so valuable is because of its scarcity, and also the

720
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: Chinese art market was booming at the time because quote,

721
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: there are so many people in China trying to buy

722
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: back things that mean something to them. So oh, and

723
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: all the reason why this is valued so high as

724
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: slightly sinister. But the owner apparently got a piece of

725
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: that action because he sold two of his five cups

726
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: at auction for three D nine thousand. And I don't know.

727
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I know that they didn't come as a set. I

728
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: know he obtained them all individually, but it still kills

729
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: me to break up the collection. That's the completest in me.

730
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: But I'm sure that for you know, three thirty grand

731
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: I would get over it. So those cups set the

732
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: record for the highest valuation on the American version of

733
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: The Antiques road Show. But how about the British. Yeah,

734
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: well that record actually belongs to a Football Association cup

735
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: broken in again, God, what are we on covering here? Weirdly,

736
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: the British got sports memorabilia and the Americans got animal parts,

737
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: which does seem to be counterintuitive what I thought the

738
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: other way around? Yeah? Yeah, uh so the Football Association

739
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: Cup trophy was presented to winning teams from nineteen eleven

740
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: until when it was replaced by a new trophy, still

741
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: in the same mold. Jordan's you said, this doesn't interest

742
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: me because it's too famous. Yeah, it seems like the

743
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: kind of thing that should in fact being a museum.

744
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's not very interesting. But it

745
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: was valued conservatively at a million pounds, which is roughly

746
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: one point four million dollars, making it the highest value

747
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: ever given on the British version of The Antiques road Show.

748
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: And speaking of sports and stuff, that doesn't really do

749
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: it for me. Yeah, sports stuff not really my thing.

750
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: But I'm a Boston boy born and raised, so this

751
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: was intriguing to me. In a woman in New York

752
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: brought a collection to memorabilia from the Boston Red Stockings,

753
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: who are I believe, the earliest known professional baseball team,

754
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: and despite its name, they actually evolved into becoming the

755
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves, not the Red Sox, which is strange to me.

756
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: The collection included a complete set of baseball cards from

757
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: the eighteen seventy one the eighteen seventy two season, which

758
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: had been given to the woman's great great grandmother as

759
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: a gift for letting the team stay with her big

760
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: house or a small team, you'd be the judge. And

761
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: this archive also includes photographs, written notes, and signatures of

762
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: founding Hall of famers like Harry Wright, George Wright, and

763
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: Albert Spalding. I'm sure that means something somebody, that sure

764
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: as hell not to me. Uh. Antiques road Show sports

765
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: memorabilia expert Layla Dunbar praised the card archive at one

766
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: million dollars. Speaking of old things, yeah, I mean, watches

767
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: tend to be a little more to me too, But

768
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: I'll go through this one quickly because the price is

769
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: just nuts. The Patech Philip is a Swiss watchmaking company

770
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: that can set you back tens of thousand dollars in

771
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: this day, tens of thousands, buddy, hundreds of thousands. And

772
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: there's one on eBay right now for four nine thousand dollars. Okay,

773
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: So I guess at the end of the day, I

774
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: really should have been surprised by this valuation. But in

775
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: two thousand four, Minnesota man brought a custom made watch

776
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: that had been made for his grandfather back in nineteen

777
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: fourteen and handed down through the generations. It was kept

778
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: a near perfect condition and had cool for the period

779
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: features like a calendar that accounted for leap years and

780
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: a moon phase indicators. That's pretty cool. All in all,

781
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: this led appraiser Paul hard Quist two more or less

782
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: wet his pants on air in a way that's really

783
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: rare for Anti Rosso staff to do. He declared the

784
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: finest watch he had ever seen and estimated the auction

785
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: value for a quarter million dollars, a total that was

786
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: increased east in again to one point five million, and

787
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: most recently to two to three million. Here's a question, Yeah,

788
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: at what point do you start selling your priceless family artifacts? Uh,

789
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: when you need a kidney or Yeah, what's your price

790
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: on history? Okay, so this is not assuming that I'm

791
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: in dire need of money for health reasons or other

792
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: or something serious. This is just if things are going good,

793
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 1: all things being equal, Just you find out you're sitting

794
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: on a three million dollar watch, but twist made for

795
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: your grandfather, great grandfather, whatever, let's say not even great,

796
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: Let's say regular grandface, someone you had a personal connection with.

797
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Oh Man, well, if it was a watch, did you

798
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: say that was not contempt? Why do you hate watches

799
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: so much? I just you know, But well, we'll get

800
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: into the Wizard of Oz member Billy in a minute.

801
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: That's the stuff I've really got a bat for. I

802
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: have a Beatles record that's a rare misprint that in

803
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: two thousand was valued at I think like fourteen grand. Well,

804
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: because I do collect stuff, and I rationalize it to

805
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: myself by basically saying, this is money in the bank

806
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: because the value of this stuff will go up, which

807
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: is a bad way of rationalizing my poor impulse control.

808
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: For Scart, the question, at what point do you sell

809
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: Granddad's watch? Well, here's the my answer. I would hold

810
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: on as long as possible because the value is just

811
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: gonna go up, so I would save it until I

812
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: needed something, or at very least wanted something badly enough.

813
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: But if it was a life changing amount of money,

814
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: if it was in the millions, the temptation would Yeah,

815
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: I'd say if it was in the millions, immediate. If

816
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: it was anything under millions, probably hold onto it until

817
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: I needed it, because it was just gonna keep going.

818
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: It's like a savings bond. Yeah, that's fair. I wouldn't hesitate.

819
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: You got a lot of guitar pedals you want doing

820
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: a hard beat? Granddad never heard the Striman timeline multidimensional

821
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: delay pedal. Tell you that. I don't even know how

822
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: how do you pronounce this Navajo first phase blanket? None

823
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: of those words connect Jordan's. Yeah, I don't know how

824
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: to make that right for you. I'm sorry. Uh yeah,

825
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: here's the good one to find on YouTube, though, A

826
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: sweet gentleman of a certain age brought a blanket to

827
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: the road show when it came through Tucson in two

828
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: thousand one. It is a Navajo Chiefs blanket from the

829
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 1: eighteen forties, believed to have once been owned by legendary

830
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: trapper and frontiersman Kit Carson, who gave the blanket to

831
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: this gentleman's grandmother's family. The weaving is so fine on

832
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: this that it could repel water that was expensive even

833
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: to the time that were made. Value in eighteen forties

834
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: dollars was a hundred to a hundred and fifty dollars,

835
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: which was roughly thirty five hundred and today's dollars. And

836
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: it is worth even more now. Uh. It turns out

837
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: this blanket is from the first phase of the period,

838
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: the very earliest period in Navajo weaving. Um. Once again,

839
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: none of those words mean anything to me, but this

840
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: blanket is extremely rare, Fewer than a hundred are known

841
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: to exist, and an important piece of history. And the appraiser,

842
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: Donald Ellis called it a national treasure, valued it from

843
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: between three hundred fifty to five hundred thousand dollars, and

844
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: he made the little old man cry ah, and those

845
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: changed tears of joy. Later in two thousand twelve, when

846
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: it's sold at auction for one point eight mill good

847
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: Lord was Kick Carson racist, I assume, So as you

848
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: meditate on that, we'll be right back with more too

849
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: much information after these messages, all right, Lightning round Weird

850
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: Antiques Road Show yeah, most than piss jug That was

851
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: just an appa of tif for what was to come.

852
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yeah, most of these big ticket items are

853
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: actually sort of boring. Is a lot of are kind

854
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: of the same type of stuff, paintings and watches. So

855
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to give a quick lightning round and some

856
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: of the more interesting, read weird items that come through

857
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,479
Speaker 1: Antiques Road Show. And one of my favorites went down

858
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: in the UK and when I guests brought a slice

859
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: of cake from Queen Elizabeth the Second seven wedding to

860
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: Prince Philip. And this sounds weird, but it actually wasn't

861
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: unusual to give away slices of cake as souvenirs from

862
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: very high profile weddings. And you can still actually find

863
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: bits of a slice from Charles and Diana's wedding on

864
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: eBay and I almost purchased one. Um it's also part

865
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: of the Mini Museum website and they should send me

866
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: a free one For this plug, you're getting the run

867
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: top boost. I probably should have mentioned stuff of the episode.

868
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: The stuff that I collect ranges from a piece of

869
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: John Lennon's carpet, I of one of Ernest Hemingway's fishing lures.

870
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: Of a fiece of deck wood from the type tanic.

871
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: I have a piece of the Berlin wall, a piece

872
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot of pieces because I can't afford the full things,

873
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: a piece of one of Jimi Hendricks's scarves, all sorts

874
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: of useless crap. Yeah. So a piece of cake from

875
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: the Queen's wedding was very much up my alley. And

876
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: this piece of cake that was brown the Antiques road

877
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: show was still in its original packaging, had original icing

878
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: decorations and quote mummified raisins, which is terrifying. The owner

879
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: of this cake slice said that her grandfather had been

880
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: part of the Guard of Honor during the wedding, which

881
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: is how he obtained the piece, and her grandmother was

882
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: so proud of it that she refused to eat it,

883
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: preferring to preserve it to show off to visiting friends

884
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: and visitors. I mean, that's a hell of a bragging

885
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 1: right on right now, in case anyone wants to jump

886
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: on that by for the show full slice or piece

887
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: full slice? Wow oh, Charles and Diana, Yeah wow, Yeah,

888
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: I can imagine a very easy thing to fake, too

889
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: sure and disgusting. You can't dust, for vomit, dust a

890
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: cake but yeah, this woman refused to eat the cake,

891
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: instead preferring to preserve it and show it off to

892
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: guests who came around their house. And this disgusting yet

893
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: historic slice of cake was valued at a thousand pounds

894
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 1: or roughly. And again this is really where my bias

895
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: starts to show through. It's like, what a precision time

896
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: piece that actually does something practical like tell time, made

897
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: with skill and the hundreds of man hours, maybe thousands

898
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 1: of work hours. How could anyone pay that kind of money?

899
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: But as soon as you start bringing up a rotting

900
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: piece of historic cake, yes, that I'm fine with. So

901
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Uh. This next artifact concerns one of the

902
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: most famous pranks in history, the Coddingly Fairies, which was

903
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: later immortalized in the Seven Kids movie fairy Tale A

904
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: True Story. Are you fmiliar with this? Of course? This

905
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: is great. In nineteen seventeen, cousins Elsie Wright and Francis

906
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: Griffith's took several photographs to supposedly prove that fairies existed

907
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: at the bottom of their garden in the woods of Yorkshire.

908
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: And the really funny part is I think it all

909
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: started as them staying out to play too long and

910
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: we're late for dinner or something, and their parents were mad,

911
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: and then they said, well, we're worried you. So we were.

912
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: We were hanging out with the fairies at the bottom

913
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: of the garden and they said, well, okay, now we're

914
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: doubly mad at you for lying. No, no, no, we

915
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: can We'll take pictures of it. We can prove it.

916
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: So they took these photos and it kind of very rapidly.

917
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: Things escalated quickly, let me put it that way. Became

918
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: this national thing in England, this huge story that was

919
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: why do we believed to be a hoax at the

920
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: time until look out support from Sherlock Holmes creator, Sir

921
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: Arthur Conan Doyle. And you know, it's interesting for somebody

922
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: who created a character who was so ruthlessly particle and

923
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: logical and pragmatic. Conan Doyle was very interested in spiritualism

924
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: and the paranormal and things that you couldn't prove with certainty,

925
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: unlike his character Sherlock Home. So maybe that's what led

926
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: him to him. Maybe he was bored with, you know,

927
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: the physical realm, and I wanted to look for things

928
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: that couldn't be explained with logic, So he took up

929
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: this girl's cause and became very personally invested in trying

930
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: to prove that these girls were telling the truth and

931
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: really had taken pictures of fairy I know. And he

932
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: did this by giving them a very expensive camera and

933
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: to try to, you know, persuade them to take even

934
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: more fairy photos, which they did. And these photographs that

935
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: they took remained shrouded in mystery until three when the

936
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: cousins admitted that they faked it by copying illustrations of

937
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: dancing girls from a popular children's book and then just

938
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: adding wings to the illustrations, and they drew them on

939
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: the cardboard and supported them with hat pins and kind

940
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: of pinned them to like leaves and stuff. Laughably laughably simple. Yeah, yeah,

941
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: it really kind of is. But I mean it was

942
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: almost so deceptively simple that it kind of worked because

943
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: they got the angles just right. And then they when

944
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: they were showing the photograph experts, they were said, well,

945
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: there's nothing nothing was done to the negative, there's nothing

946
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: fake on the way the photo was taken, so we

947
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: can't say this is a faked photo. It's depicting something real.

948
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: So that was kind of enough to add like a

949
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: little bit of lingering, like maybe it is real. But

950
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: they admitted that they were just illustrations drawn on the cardboard. Um.

951
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: But they also said, and this is interesting, and maybe

952
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: this was just a funny little way to add a

953
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: little air of mystery. They said that they really had

954
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: seen fairies, but just weren't able to document them on camera,

955
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: so that was why they faked these photos. So make

956
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: of that what you will. What do we do to

957
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: the bit we commit to the bit um? And I

958
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: guess they claimed that they were too embarrassed to admit

959
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: to the deception after they had fooled Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,

960
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: because they had fooled this brilliant man, so they were

961
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: embarrassed into keeping quiet for you know, nineteen seventeen until three,

962
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: a very long time. Anyway. The camera that was used

963
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: to take these photos, as well as the original photos themselves,

964
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: we're taking onto antiques road show and we're valued between

965
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand and thirty thousand pounds, so almost fifty

966
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Yeah, and in much less hoax territory. Yeah.

967
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: During a two thousand and twelve trip through Seattle, a

968
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: guest brought in a collection of clothes that belonged to

969
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendrix. Is included a kimono worn for one of

970
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: the last shows he played with the Jimi Hendrix Experience

971
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: at the Newport n nine Festival. Also the red velvet

972
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: pants he wore would stock for the Star Spangled Banner performance.

973
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: That was really what what kicked into another class memorability

974
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: of those pants, I mean anything more. I mean it's

975
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: one of the most iconic performances of any rock musician ever.

976
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: So this, this whole grab bag worth one million, seventy

977
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. While we're the Hendricks category, guy in

978
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: brought in a pick which Hendricks dropped mid set in

979
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: August of nineteen seventy, right before he died. Uh. This

980
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: guy was twelve at the time, sitting in the orchestra

981
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: pit and asked Jimmy if he could have it in

982
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: between songs, and Hendricks apparently handed it to him. He

983
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: also got a broken guitar string from a roadie, which

984
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: he and his friends split with a pocket knife so

985
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: they could share it, which I find unaccountably adorable. That

986
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: is some twelve year old stand by me man. We

987
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: should we gotta cut this Hendrick's guitar strings we can

988
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: share it and drumstick from Mitch Mitchell, who was also

989
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: there was also president at the time. Didn't Mitch Mitchell

990
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: get shot down for Wings? I know one of the

991
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: experienced guys auditioned for Wings and UH didn't make it.

992
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: I like that. I hope so do you hope that

993
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: he didn't get the job. Mitch Mitchell's one of my

994
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: favorite performance of his uh non Hendrix category is he

995
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: played the Georgie Fame of Georgie fam in the Blue

996
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: Flames did an incredible version of Last Night by the Marquettes,

997
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: and his drum breaks on it rip. Oh, he's a

998
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: tremendous drummer. It's from like I think it's from uh in.

999
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: Mitch Mitchell audition for Wings but lost the part to

1000
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: Jeff Britton in a coin toss. Oh wow. Um, Jeff

1001
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: Britton did not last long and Wings I don't think

1002
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: he was there for a year. Wow. This is really crazy,

1003
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: all right, Mitch Mitchell's sidebar hold on for just a

1004
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: damn second, folks. Mitchell audition for the Jimmy Hendrix Experience

1005
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: in October of n six and was chosen over a

1006
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: guy named Ainsley Dunbar in a coin toss Yes. Does

1007
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: he insist on joining bands? Yes? And then he auditioned

1008
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: for Wings and lost in another coin toss. The coin

1009
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: toss giveth and the quin toss take it away? Uh?

1010
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: All that from that show was Was it just the

1011
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: drumstick that was vided three to five k and all

1012
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: the stuff? Wow? That whole lot three to five k? Damn.

1013
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: You can see the guy was disappointed. More of the

1014
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: story is collect your heroes pants because they're they're there

1015
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: actual music, music equipment. When that you nothing um less musically.

1016
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: During a stop on the UK version of The Show

1017
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: Man brought in Winston Churchill's top hat and cigar that

1018
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: he found in a box at the dump where he works.

1019
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: Uh quote, I've worked there for about fifteen years and

1020
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: I get to pull out whatever I like. I get

1021
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: whatever I want from the dump. Why am I on

1022
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: this guy? He found Winston Churchill's top hat. He had

1023
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: three sheds full of stuff that he took home. This

1024
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: one had daily letters from a woman who worked with Winston,

1025
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: written to her son outlining Winston's daily routine, which is

1026
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: that's treason. Yeah, I was during the war. It seemed

1027
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: a little yuh uh. There was an autographed letter that

1028
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: Churchill wrote to this woman's son, and all this was

1029
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: valued at ten thou pounds, which again seems low. Although

1030
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: how many cigars and top hats to that guy have

1031
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: Probably a lot of them floating around, is my bet.

1032
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: While we're talking pop art, where we got next? Yes,

1033
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: a man met Andy Warhol in the club scene in

1034
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: the eighties and became friends to the point where he

1035
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: even brought his mom to Andy's factory, which is weird

1036
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: but adorable and don't do that. And one night, presumably

1037
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: out of a club, he asked if Andy would sign

1038
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: some Campbell's soup cans, and he said, sure, bring him

1039
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: on by my studio tomorrow, and sure enough he did,

1040
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: and he signed a whole assortment, which the guy put

1041
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: into a plexiglass case. He also bought a Campbell suitcam

1042
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: print from Andy, which he then autographed for dollars, and

1043
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: he also had him sign a few Interview magazines, Interview

1044
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: being the magazine that war Hall. I don't know if

1045
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: was the editor of her creator or what, but he ran.

1046
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: The collection of six soup cans were valued at twelve

1047
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. The magazines were valued at a piece. And

1048
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: the print that this guy had bought for a hundred

1049
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: and twenty five dollars, and he said that he even

1050
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: had Warhol wait a few days to cash it because

1051
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: pay day wasn't for a few more days was valued

1052
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: at twenty grand. That is a good pay day, good

1053
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: pay day. I put this one in here especially for you.

1054
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: A man in Sacramento showed up with an early prototype

1055
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: of the Ark of the Covenant that had been made

1056
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: for Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost arc in.

1057
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: This guy's father had worked for Industrial Light and Magic,

1058
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: which is, you know, one of the most storied special

1059
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: effects houses ever. And yeah, this young man had it

1060
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 1: in his San Francisco apartment growing up, where they kept

1061
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: blankets in it. It's just like in the living room. Uh.

1062
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: And it's it's just a prototype. It's like all thrown together.

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01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: It's like hot glue and spray paint. And the work

1064
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: was made from old picture frames and the statues on

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01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: it are actually old profy tops. So it looks like

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01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: this really jankie thing. But it's value for cinema historians

1067
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: is why shouldn't say priceless? There is a price but

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: very high estimated value between eighty grand and a hundred

1069
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: and twenty grands. Not bad for basically an ottoman to

1070
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: keep blankets in. And I love this one as a

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01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: music fan. A guy who worked at the Motown Museum

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01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: in Detroit was tasked with going through a Motown artists

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01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: personal effects after they died, and the museum passed on

1074
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff, so he went back a

1075
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: few days later to buy some of it for himself

1076
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: at an estate sale that the family was holding. And

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01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: when he got home, he was going through his new

1078
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: purchases and some of them were just albums that he

1079
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: bought for like fifty cents, and out of one of

1080
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: these albums tumbled a nineteen sixty four passport belonging to

1081
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: Marvin Gay, presumably the musician who died and were with Marvin,

1082
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: although it's unclear why he had Marvin's old passport in

1083
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: the first place, let alone kept it in an album sleeve.

1084
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: But passports are a big deal in the collecting world

1085
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: because of the autograph component. You have to sign your

1086
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: own passport so it can't be faked. It's one of

1087
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: the most you know, easily authenticated autographs. You can ever have.

1088
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: And also passports are rare because you only have a

1089
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: handful of them throughout your life. So this guy paid

1090
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: fifty cents for this album. He was told to ensure

1091
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: Marvin Gay's passport for twenty grand. Wow. Which one of

1092
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: these has had the highest r O I that might

1093
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: be it. It's got to be up there. Uh why

1094
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: the hell did you make me read this? Uh? Winky spears,

1095
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: folks can't do anything for you. Winky spears. Yeah, it's

1096
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: this thing on a man brought two massive ore sized

1097
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: spears or pikes for those of you in the military

1098
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: industrial complex, used during the production of The Wizard of

1099
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: Oz by the Winky Guards or the we could Witch

1100
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: to the West Monkey Guards. I did not know that's

1101
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: what they were called. Wink Yeah. I was in the

1102
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz play in high school and there were

1103
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: the Winky Guards. Yeah. Were you a winky No? I

1104
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: was the that's a horse of a different color Emerald

1105
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: city Guard. Yeah. What did he pay for? Uh? Five

1106
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: nine bucks? Valued it upwards of thirty grand today. That's

1107
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: a spicy winky spear, all right? Next up Hiroshima bowls. Next, Yeah, buddy, Wow,

1108
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: let's sleep at the wheel. And it came to land

1109
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: this episode out, Oh boy. Um, several people, not just one.

1110
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: Several people have brought in porcelain recovered from Hiroshiba after

1111
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: the atomic bomb was detonated. A woman in Turk, England

1112
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: presented three bowls that refused together. The host initially assumed

1113
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: it was the result of a kiln explosion. Before you

1114
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: got the full story. Another man brought cups flecked with

1115
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: sand that had turned to glass. Um, you know, you

1116
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 1: can't really put a retail price on something like that,

1117
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: as one said, how do you put a value on these?

1118
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: They simply record an extraordinary moment in time. Um, all right,

1119
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: moving right along, And because we can't end on such

1120
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: a depressing note, something a little different. The host of

1121
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: the of the BBC version was told to open a

1122
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: suitcase someone had brought on camera, and she wasn't told

1123
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: what it contained because they wanted a response to be genuine.

1124
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: Inside was the severed head of a dog taxidermy. But

1125
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: still um. The dog had chased down a criminal, the

1126
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: last man to be hanged in Lester, and in a

1127
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: kind of memorial, the good Boy's head was preserved and

1128
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: kept in a suitcase. What's in the box. Did they say,

1129
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: what's in the box? Oh? Missed opportunity? Good god, wow, Well,

1130
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: wrapping up this wildly digressive and occasionally incredibly depressing episode

1131
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: that brought us such things as grotesque faced jug and

1132
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: pissed jug and severed heroic doghead. Jordan, I think you

1133
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: had a you're quoting The Atlantic again to take us

1134
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: out right. Yeah, I'd like to close with this line

1135
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: from the Atlantic piece by Stephen Lurry that I mentioned earlier.

1136
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: He summed up the deceptively simple and oddly beautiful premise

1137
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: of the antiques road show like this, it's not about

1138
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: getting rich, playing the market, amassing wealth, or even acquiring

1139
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: nice things. In a show whose segments are punctuated by

1140
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: dollar amounts, there's actually a quiet, persistent suggestion to direct

1141
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: our aspirations somewhere else, history, family, sentiment, even love and pissed. Well, folks,

1142
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. I'm Alex Heigel, I'm Jordan runt Talk.

1143
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Too Much Information was a

1144
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. The show's executive producers are

1145
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: Noel Brown and Jordan runt Talk. The supervising producer is

1146
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: Mike John's. The show was researched and written and hosted

1147
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: by Jordan run Talk and Alex Heigel, with original music

1148
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra. If you

1149
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,600
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1150
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,439
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1151
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