WEBVTT - Episode 476 w/ Kwame 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.120 He is drinks Chants, motherfucking podcast man. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.720 He's a legends every queens rapper. He ain't say greed 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.920 as your boy in O r E. He's a Miami 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.680 hip hop pioneer put up as d J e f N. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.680 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:25.880 you know. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:26.159 What I mean. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.640 And the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.760 source for drunk drin chans days New Year c that's 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:44.040 it's time for drink Champs. Drink up mother? Would it good? 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:45.360 Be hoping? Held? It should be this your. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.120 Boy n A O N A A what ups d 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.200 J e f N And it's crazy Ward Yeah, drink 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:50.960 Champs mother. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:58.920 Now, when we started this podcast, we said that we 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.040 wanted to give flowers to the legends who wanted to 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.400 give people that that that paved the way for us, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.920 people who have cemented their name in concrete. This brother 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.440 right here has had a hit after hit he has 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.880 he has when you see leading the culture and people 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:13.880 changing the culture and. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.160 People shifting the culture, this is the person. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:23.280 He's a fashion icon, a hit maker, a producer from 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.800 the best burrow in the world that's right in the world. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:27.520 In the. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.759 He's he's a legend, beyond a legend. We're gonna give 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:37.960 him his flowers. We're gonna let him know that the 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:42.160 music business is a better place when he's involved. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.160 In case you don't know what we're talking about, we 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:52.200 talking about the one to know. So you said the 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.240 best Burrow, the best. That's not you know what I'm saying. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.920 I'm watching you, right, and. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.400 Uh I'm hearing you speak speak about your youth, right yeah, 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.560 and the people that you grew around with, right because. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.120 You from ninety six street, what street in ninety seventh, 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.399 ninety seventh between twenty third, twenty fourth and twenty fifth 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.240 Avenue Anders Queens, you. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.600 Know where street are from? With ninety seventh Street, get 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.800 out here, I'm from let's right. 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.640 Yeah, So listen this is I know you hate when 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:28.480 we talked, Queen, but listen listen. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.280 Technically, if I woke up and he woke up from 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:34.760 ninety seven Street and we kind of yeah, straight, we 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.799 would meet because when I was, I was I'm looking 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:39.520 up like that, this guy's from ninety seventh Street. 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.240 But so let's describe that, right, and. 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.320 I would literally walk from my house till that frack 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:45.680 walk to Queen SENTAMOI. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:46.680 Yeah, yeah, of course. 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.840 So let's describe that, right because I'm I'm and this 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.079 is for people that's not privileged, who didn't get the 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.080 catt to do the research and everything and and know. 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.400 So who was the people that you grew up with 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.960 in Queen So if you if you take my block 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.680 ninety seventh Street, right, So this is I'm just gonna 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.679 be on some hip hop stuff for now. I go 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.359 a little bit of history in a minute. But on 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.880 ninety seventh Street, if you go further up my block, right, 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.560 you have no you got one block over, you have 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.200 Eric b two blocks over, three blocks over. You have 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:22.720 kids from Kid in Play on my block, one block up, 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.840 the producer the hit maker Ron Amen, Rob Lawrence who 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.519 did like hit Matta. Yeah yeah, hit Man Ron is 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.840 on my block. You go about four blocks down, you 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.840 have Herbie love Bug. You have a couple of blocks over, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.800 you have play from Kid in Play. You go a 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.120 little bit across Northern Boulevard. You got cool g rap 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:48.360 you got less from the beat Nuts is over there. Yeah, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:53.280 go further you you know what I'm saying. So that neighborhood, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.360 if you want to take the neighborhoods is East Elmhurst 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.880 Corona DJ Polo Kuji apping Polo. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:01.400 You take East Emmer's Corona. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.520 You have your area left fact, you have flushing and flush, 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:08.400 you got large pro, you got dress you know, royal flush, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.240 Mike Geronimo. So all of us are within a if 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.000 you're driving, all of us are within a five minute Yeah, 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.640 that's crazy. Five minute radios. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.480 Fifteen the most fifteen the most yeah, yeah, most, and 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.800 that's because you're driving slow or something. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:27.240 Like let me no, no, no, now, I'm sorry. But 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:28.760 this is how I break down queens. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:33.800 Right. I used to always say the buses and the trains, Yes, right. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.039 The buses is like the south side, right, yep, yep, 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.719 that's that's that's lost boys, that's fifty SID, that's JAU 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.840 run DMC. That's how you get there, you l that's 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:45.320 how you get there. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:46.039 You have to get there do. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.240 Buses or you have to take a train from yeah, 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:50.400 from Parsons Boulevard right. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.840 Then that's that's where it starts, right, And then it's 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:53.360 the trains. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.159 The trains is even though Parsons Boulevard is technically Jamaica, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:58.279 but that's where it starts. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.440 Where the dollar vans and the buses come. But then 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:00.960 you have us. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:06.800 I believe we are called the West side of Queens, right, Yeah, Melhurst, Astoria, 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.680 ravers Wood, queens Bridge and then so that's that's the way. 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.919 Queens and Queens is fucking a big ass borough. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.359 Bro Like Queen. I think Queens the south of Miami, bro. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:17.160 Know how about this? 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.280 I was arguing with my friend from Philly and I 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.000 was like, you know, if Queens is bigger than all 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.400 of Philadelphia, like a right where that were going on Google? 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.080 I'm like, I'm telling you Brooklyn. You put Brooklyn and Queens, 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.160 which is pretty much together, it's on Long Island. You 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:31.080 put them two together. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:36.200 That's bigger than most major cities the whole country. Wow, 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.400 it's bigger than most major cities. So it's like it's 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.440 like six million people in Brooklyn and Queens alone. Wow, 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:48.400 come on, I love my borough. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.240 So one of the craziest things that you know, me 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:55.840 doing your research is with Malcolm X house burnt Down, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.080 which is on my block, which is on your block? 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.920 Your family came to his A. Yeah, my grandfather. My 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.160 grandfather was a publisher. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:08.000 He had a black owned newspaper called the published and 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.840 he helped Malcolm publishes things. So when the firebomb happened, 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.400 my grandfather's on ninety fourth, he's on ninety seven, So 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:20.040 you think about it, this bomb happens and you as you, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.360 your wife and your little kids. So it was like 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.479 the only person he knew that was in the immediate 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:29.800 vicinity is my grandparents, Malcolm, only person you. So you 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.680 just go around the corner and you know, just give 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.320 the kids somewhere to sit and until they figure. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:38.040 It all out. And it's funny. It's like I didn't 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.400 really know that story till my mom told me, and 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.120 it I said it recently, and I'm like, yo, I 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.000 didn't even I never even knew that. And that's is 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:45.840 depicted in the movie. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.479 Yes, and in the book too, and in the book 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.839 because you know, prior to the movie, I read the book, 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:52.800 and I believe in the book there was a picture 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.360 and it said East Elmhurst yep, And I knew this. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:58.880 I knew that story has something to do with me, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:00.560 but I didn't know it was coming. Yeah, No, it 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.080 was only his house is ninety seventh between. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.400 Twenty third and twenty fourth Avenue, and I'm in between 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:09.440 twenty fourth and twenty fifth. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.920 So yeah, it's it's right. And damn man, that's a 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:17.800 beautiful story. Man, that's crazy up your family. Yeah, so 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.239 so bouncing around like we're gonna move around. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:25.760 Right, Okay, I'm very curious to know, because you're a 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.880 producer too. But one thing about you, you are very 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.360 You're a real lyricists, right, you're. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.880 Real trying to be sometimes, So let me ask. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:39.640 You without without critiquing these these these these new this 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.360 new generation of MC's a lot of these new generational 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.000 mcs are not lyrical, right, it's. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.000 All about us somewhat the melody and being catchy. Yeah right, Yeah. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.320 Has it ever been a time where you winning and 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.880 as a producer? Who these kids don't know? They just 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:56.320 they just they're thinking kay k w one millions King 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.560 Williams like they thinking that and they are not knowing 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.760 that you made hit records for yourself, Oh yeah, and 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:01.880 produce hit records. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.600 Has it? Has it? Have you ever been like geration? Yeah? 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.080 Like say for example, it not even it could have 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.680 been like a new generation rapper. It could be a 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.800 new generation singer or even just like a generation like 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.400 say before this one, Like for example, I'm working on 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.320 a Christina Aguilero record and it's just like some pop 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.760 you know, strings and all this other stuff. And she 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:25.320 was like, I heard your rap. I was like, yeah, 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.560 you know, I did a little something. Did you ever 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.320 make a song? You know, you know the things. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.000 But like even with a younger generation, it'll be like 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.520 the session of start out cool and we're working and 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.120 they'll come in like the next day you my mom said, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.640 or the show up and the kid is looking like, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.160 I don't know nothing about this, but so it's it's cool. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.319 That's what I love about producing because it gives me. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.160 It takes away that age barrier between somebody new and 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.760 somebody season, and it's always been a respecting Once they 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.360 find out, it's like what could you tell me that 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:03.800 I don't know already? 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.319 And it could be somebody you know that's doing it. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.600 It doesn't matter. It's just like, what have you seen 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:09.600 that I haven't seen yet? 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.319 And then I'd be able to impart some knowledge on 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.800 them and and you know, it's cool, or they'll be like, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.480 you know, like you said, how people are more into 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.800 the lyrics and more into the stuff from back in 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.800 the days, and they you know, they'll they'll have that 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.079 thought of, well, we don't need to do all that 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:27.520 no more. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:28.480 You know what I'm saying. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.040 This is about swag. It's about us just being swaggy 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.280 and about to be No, no, it's not about the beat. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.360 It's like it was like more like y'all have to 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.439 work harder than we do. We don't have to work 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:39.360 as hard as y'all. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.520 It's true. Yeah, yeah, it's true to a certain just 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.319 like you have to see it. It's like the old 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.200 people that be like I used to walk ten miles. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:49.679 He's like, you know, just fuck up to yet to 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.880 do that. We don't got to do that anymore, you know. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.040 So it's just just a give and take, you know 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:55.480 what I'm saying. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.400 So let me ask you, right, you know, you know 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.920 my partner right here, it comes from the era of vinyl, right, 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:03.440 and we. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:04.520 Come from the era of vinyl. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.400 I'm sorry, I was trying to make I was trying 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:09.920 to make a point like what I mean, like with 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:16.720 you particular like DJ, I'm sorry, so so, and then 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.600 obviously you know, going to a party of the rock 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.320 right now, vinue is probably not the thing you unless you. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.160 Go to those sexy parties with forty five's only and. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.360 Yeah know what I'm saying, Yeah, so how have you 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.640 been able to adjust from you know, the equipment from 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.400 back then and now like this program is like. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.640 Forty loops you don't even need a equipment. You can 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.880 just do it on your computer. Well, well that's a 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:39.839 that's a two part answer. Okay. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.800 So like, for example, my DJ Big shouts to DJ 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:49.280 tap Money from Philly. He is strictly technique twelve hundred's 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.640 vinyl only. And what we've been finding as time is 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.200 going on and we've been doing shows and you rent 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:58.440 these equipment. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.880 The promoters like, we're not ranting, oh shit, we not 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:01.600 you know what I'm saying. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.120 They into like if it ain't like the rain, you know, 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.240 or the surround you know, anything anything kind of controller, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:12.439 And my DJ is just not with it. He's just 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:17.199 not with it. And so sometimes it's a battle with that. 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.840 And for me, I'm always forward thinking. I'm like, yo, dude, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.079 why you want to carry them big ass hard ten 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.280 pound turntables because he'll bring his own if they don't 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.600 have it. He's carrying on the flight cases and he's 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.920 going on his own, and I'm like, yo, you just 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:35.679 keep the old but learned. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.840 A new at least so you could be adaptable, don't. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.240 I feel like every DJ should know how to adapt. 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.440 Like, if you're in a situation and you got your shit, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.640 somebody put something in front of you, you're either gonna 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:47.199 sink or sweat. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:48.600 What are you gonna do? You're just gonna stand there. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.839 But I don't know how to control this, or you're 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.520 gonna know how to adapt and work. So I think 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.599 there's a thin line you gotta stick. I think you 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.480 should stick to the things you know, and you should 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.199 always know. Like the equipment. I use a bunch of 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.719 new stuff, but my drums always come from a co 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:10.120 SP two thousand XLP, NPC two thousand XL. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.319 I'm saying SP. I'm thinking of SP twelve, but the 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.360 NPC two thousand, it's that smoke. He got that smoke. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:28.720 I'm not even thinking diamonds both. Okay, yeah, yeah, we're 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:29.400 talking about that. 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.000 So so you got I still use my my MPC 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.440 and that that machine is like twenty five years old. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.160 But I know I'm a master at that, and I 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.640 know how to make stuff that don't sound like twenty 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.840 five years ago. It can sound like now, it can 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.800 sound like damn whatever, And I know how to use 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.120 that equipment, but I also know how to incorporate all 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.040 the other things. And you gotta be open minded to 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.640 incorporate because the time is gonna keep moving, man, y'all can't. 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.640 You can't just be stuck in when you was popping 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.320 and keep it at that. You got to be able 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.480 to at least adjust in some way shape. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:05.839 Or for me, let me let me remind you though, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.240 unlike your DJ, when we did the tour in Canada 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.240 and we did the show in uh in Russia, I 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:12.280 did have a controller. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.280 I didn't take turntables. Oh, I had a tractor controller. 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.439 I don't know, how do you feel about it? I 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.880 didn't like it? What is that? 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.360 I like the convenience of taking it around, but I 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.920 wasn't like I wasn't really I'm just too analog with it. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.400 Yeah, no, no, I understand. But what is that? It's 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.520 just a controller. You don't need to take the two turntables, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.439 the mixer. It's that one vinyl I'm not using, you know, 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.640 the controlling vinyl. So it's just the one thing. But 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.160 what do you normally use on your rider? What would 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.280 you want not be a mixer in two techniques, okay, see, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.559 and it's note saying. I think especially when you scratch it. 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.360 I wouldn't want to scratch on anything else but techniques 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:57.200 of course. But for me, I think, like I've seen, 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:01.720 I've seen so much in so long I've seen I've 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.920 went from when I first started doing shows, we would 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:08.280 have instrumentals, we would have our SETU would be two techniques, 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.960 a tape deck, you know, say it and if we did, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.760 because if we have the instrumental, I have it on tape. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.120 You wasn't able to get vinyl. So you're pushing a 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:19.440 tape deck, you're doing an instrumental. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.640 And then that went to the to the D like 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.480 anybody remember, Yeah, you're playing your DAT tapes. And then 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.360 and then from the DAD tapes that went to the 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.480 and this is when your records was coming out. 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.880 That what's that control thing that instantly you started using Instagram. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.280 I thought that was the best thing in the world. 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:37.640 I did. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.600 Yeah, I was like, yeah, but you still had your 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:47.680 turntables and and and now I'm I've literally seen cats 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.280 get on stage with an iPhone what the thing? 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.560 And it just yes, yeah, pressing play. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.480 I've seen major artists get on stage and have a 0:14:58.560 --> 0:14:59.640 stand with their computer. 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.360 Right, this is my next song? Ye, all right, this 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.320 is what you're doing. I hate it. So it's like, 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:06.320 you know, you gotta. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.360 I believe, especially whatever the kind of music that you're doing, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.360 whether it's hip hop or anything, the elements that you 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.760 made the records in should be on stage with you. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.440 So if it's turntables, if it's a sample, or if 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.480 it's whatever, I think you should have those elements on 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.760 stage and just mix it up past, present, future and 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:23.760 keep it keep your rocket. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.680 Right now, you said that you believe that artists should 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.840 never have a publishing them. No, can you explain that 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.400 to people who explain that to a kid? There is 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:38.200 right now and Basle projects, Yeah you know, yeah, he's 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.720 on section eight. He has he has an opportunity. He 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.120 has let's just say for seven n lucky numbers. So 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.800 he has seven hundred grand looking at him in his face. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.280 Get seven hundred grand, can change his family, give him 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.280 out the projects. But then he hears somebody like Quame 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:58.800 said who's well experienced, and says, I don't believe sir, 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:00.200 you should you should take that deal. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:01.640 Let me ask you a question, how long as he's 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.800 been in the project with his family, his whole life, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:04.440 his whole life. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:05.800 Right, So check this out. 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.160 You get a publishing, they're gonna give you seven hundred thousand. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.600 They're giving you seven hundred thousand because they think they 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.560 know you probably can make one point four million, so 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:14.920 they give you seven hundred thousand. 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:16.880 You hype for the seven hundred thousand. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.400 You take it, but the records that they know you 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.560 got coming is going to make that one point four 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.040 million within nine months. 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.640 You've been in that situation for your whole life. You 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.320 can't wait nine months, now? Can you wait? Nine months? 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.760 If you can, if you really think about it, right, 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.480 unless somebody on you on the A floor and somebody 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.360 on the seventh floor Center missiles down to you and 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.400 try to But guess what, you can still move your 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.200 people out temporarily. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:47.000 You could get an apartment. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:48.440 You could do whatever you want to do, because you're 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.160 getting you're getting your commission for being a producer, or 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.880 you're getting your album advanced, or you're getting whatever you're getting, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:55.600 so you still have some kind of bread. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.200 The problem is an artist. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.480 Sometimes new artists think that whatever bread that they're getting 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.520 up front, they're going to always get I have a 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.040 bread that they're being offered. They're always going to be offering. 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.880 It's going to be more. And that's great thinking. It's 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.280 very positive thinking issue. You should think that way, but 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.560 you should also feel and understanding. There's a reality that 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.119 there's a one percent of artists. We know who the 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:23.440 one percent are. Those people continue to thrive the other 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:29.639 ninety nine percent of all artists. Maybe good for one album. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.240 Maybe nowadays it's a single and ain't even an album. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.520 And I'm sorry to cut you over. You remember your thought. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.919 I heard camera on say on his show, He's like, yo, 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.639 at least we used to have two months. 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.360 Yeah, he said, y, you got a week and a half. Yeah, 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:45.440 I have a hot album now. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.400 Yeah, And that was like sometimes it was like maybe 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.080 two weeks, maybe two weeks, but it's really a week. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.160 And I'm starting to look and I'm like, I think 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:54.359 he's bugging, and I'm looking at it. 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.440 I'm like, this is he's actually telling the true. It's 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:57.160 actually rare. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.280 So so you take this seven hundred grand right now. 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.359 You can take the money and you can run. You 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.240 can take the seven hundred grand, you can invest it, 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.119 you can you're seven hundred gud. You could take that 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.320 seven hundred You can invest it. You should invest it. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.440 Do not buy the bends, don't get the chain, don't 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.880 get invested in something something that will turn your seven 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.520 hundred grand over. And it's very hard because you're sitting 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.040 up in basley. Nobody's there to teach you who to 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.359 invest it. And that's the problem with this industry. No 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:28.160 og ever comes back and shows the young kid, yo, 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.880 don't do that, no matter what, because money is real shiny, man, 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.280 It's real shiny when it's up front. So my suggestion is, fine, 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.480 if you get a publishing deal, get something called an 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:43.680 admin deal, administration deal, take ten percent of your money, 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.400 they find it, they collect it. That's seven hundred grand. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.200 You're gonna make it anyway. In nine months or one 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.080 point two or two point five or seven point eight, 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.840 whatever it is, you're gonna make it if you have 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:55.399 that hit. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.359 Now here goes the crazy gamble. And this is all 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.800 a gamble. Good. What if you didn't take the seven. 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.359 Hundred grand and you flopped, You're gonna stay in basey. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.600 You know, you're still in Wow, You're still in bathes. 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.320 The gamble, that's the super gamble. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:09.800 What is the loss again, because I don't think we 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.040 explained what are they losing when they do? 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.800 So when you when you take the seven hundred grand, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.160 the publishing company now owns whatever the percentage. 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:19.159 You agreed with. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.600 Let's say it's fifty percent. They don't go lower than fifty. 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:26.560 So now they own you fifty percent, almost for life. 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.720 Yeah, because from there apartment, because you're from there. 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.040 When the movie companies call for that record, it's up 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.960 to the publishing company, and they negotiate whatever they want. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.159 Yeah, you're not involved. They give you perfect example. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.200 Usually I get to negotiate my thing, but just this 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:44.480 year alone, and I'm not nothing against the artists. She 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:48.480 probably don't even know, but Kilanie sampled my record only you. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.359 I had no idea. Somebody called me and was like, yo, 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.280 you heard that new Kilanie album? Like what do you mean? 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.240 Track number five? Like what the hell? And I listened 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:57.440 to it. 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:02.040 It's I hear my voice, I hear my record. I'm like, 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.120 and she's singing the record is dope. It's called eight, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.720 and I'm like, yo, all right, it's about eating ass 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.040 or whatever, but it's still. 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.800 Side right. Yeah, I'm like, all right, just what we doing. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.080 So I don't know if I would have approved a 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:17.840 record like that on top of my beat, but hey, 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.200 it is what it is, and yeah, man, it is 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:27.880 what it is. Yeah, so the record is the record 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.520 is what it is. But I'm like, I didn't know 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:30.879 about it. 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:35.960 I didn't approve it, but not realizing that my publishing 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:42.680 deal from two thousand and three or whatever, okay, as 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.960 opposed to another thing where there was a there was 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.359 a chance I don't remember the name of the production, 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.399 but there was a production where because I score films, 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:51.560 so I'm scoring. 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.520 This score Fantastic four too, Yeah, yeah, I was. I 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.600 worked on Fantastic I didn't score the whole thing, but 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.120 I worked on it. But just say, let's use Fantastic four. 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:05.600 That's a good thing, is making motion. Sorry, man, I'm great. 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.840 I want to And this is the actual record. I 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:11.119 wanted to use the. 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.680 Record I did for Lloyd Banks on Fire, the record 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.240 in the in the film, and it almost didn't. 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.040 Happen because, you know, because I was like, yeah, let's 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:25.320 put this here, human TARGI gets on fire, Boom on fire, opinion. 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.240 So that's how it went in the movie. 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:32.320 But what people don't know when when they submitted it, 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.639 the universal was like, we want X amount of dollars 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.200 or it can't happen, even though I already said yes, 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:41.360 but the publishing company. 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.200 Was like, nah, you know, await from Lloyd Banks publishing company. 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.359 No from Because I had publishing in the song, my 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.040 publishing company had to agree, you know, and they didn't. 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.879 I said yeah, but the publishing company I was assigned 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.920 to did not say, and that almost blocked a bag 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.920 because they had this publishing fee. And so it's like, 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:03.760 at what point do you want to be free to 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.440 roam with your music? At what point do you want 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:08.280 to be you want to be able to make the 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.879 decisions that you feel are right for your music, you know. 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.000 And there's times that I had to make a decision 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:16.240 and make you know. 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.720 They always say sometimes act and then apologize later. 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:21.680 Don't ask for permission first, you know. 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.359 So it's like sometimes you got to make those weird 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.040 moves like that just to be able to keep your 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:29.040 ship going right. 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:33.320 You know. Well, listen, new artists, it's up to you. 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:35.560 Like you said, it's a gamble. It's a gamble. Do 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.520 you how much do you want to gamble on yourself? 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:39.720 How much do you believe in yourself? How much do 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:40.840 you believe in your future? 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.760 Do you think seven hundred if you think somebody's offering 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.359 you seven hundred grand off the rip, That's the thing 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:52.399 I'm trying to tetbody. 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:54.800 You're never going to give them the best price. You're 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.359 never doing it. And even if you keep negotiating whatever 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:04.000 price they land that they still you're never gonna out. 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.920 Everybody thinks they outsmarted some evil conglomerate out there that's 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.120 been slinging records since nineteen fifty eight. 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.399 They may change the name of the company, but it's 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:16.800 the same thing. Because you know why I. 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.760 Know, is most of us right, all of our first 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:23.200 deals have always been the horriblest Dealah, And a lot 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:27.840 of us, like I believe, from even ours to Jay 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.480 to everyone did they would always say that their first 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.119 deal was bad, right, so but a lot of them 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:34.200 made it afterwards. 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:35.240 So a lot of people think like that. 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:39.520 They say, you know what you think, Yeah, for seven 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:41.800 hundred grand, I'll be seven hundred grand, Richard, and did 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.280 I'll make it better. Some people make it better, and 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.560 then some people stay trapped in that rabbit hole. See, 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.480 there's never stories about the people that's trapped in the rabbit. 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.159 Hole stories about the people who actually made it, the 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:54.520 ones that everybody sees. 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.800 Yeah, you know, luckily for me, like I was saying, 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:01.960 luckily for me, the money that I took was a 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:05.359 good amount of money, right. And then I did a 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.679 Will Smith record Switch, Yeah, Switch. I did the record 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:15.080 Switch And at that time Will was doing great in films. 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.000 He was his films were rocket but he had no 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.879 records out at that point. And so when I did 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:25.320 the record, first of all, the deal structure he had, 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.359 they didn't even give me my whole fee for the record. 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:30.080 I did a deal like I'll do it for half. 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:32.600 The publisher company didn't want you to do it, right, They. 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.919 Were like, I just did my publishing deal and they 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:37.960 were like, yo, do you think you want to reconsider 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:39.000 the Will Smith record. 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:40.920 I'm like, well would I want to do that? 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:43.920 Like this is an international superstar. Why would I want 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.720 to reconsider this record? Like, well, you know, we don't 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:48.679 think the record could do well. We don't know if 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:49.960 he's good in the market. 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:51.560 You know, this is all you know, everything is about 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.400 like fifty cent at the time, Jay at the time. 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:55.400 So they're like, I don't know about it a Will 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.800 Smith record. I'm like, well, that's scene. 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.439 I said, well, we want to renegotiate your deal, right, 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:05.960 which means either you're gonna owe us more money or 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.760 give us some money back. I'm like, yo, I want 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.199 to give y'all money back. You already got me. 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:13.640 For money, and now I'm giving your money back. I said, 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.200 let's see what happens. So when the record came out, 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.520 the record was number one in like twenty countries and 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:22.920 are super recoop And then I'm like, yo, was that 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:24.720 the real play was real play? 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:26.879 To get me to not take it so that I 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.840 didn't have to recoup or you know what I'm saying, 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:32.080 So say that slower for the people that shot the play. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:35.400 What if the play was describe it? So he gets 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:37.760 a publishing deal. Yeah, I get a publishing dea. I 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.960 get X amount of dollars I do. The first record 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.040 I do under the publishing deal is the Will Smith record. 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:49.080 I am told that maybe I should reconsider. 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.359 Doing this record because it might not do well and 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:53.760 it may look bad on your and your pucer. 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:55.959 And Will is not really hot. He's just Willi's hot 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.440 is a filmmaker. But he's not. He has no records 0:25:58.440 --> 0:25:59.640 in the marketplace at the time. 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:01.119 So so. 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:07.800 So you try to get me to reconsider it or renegotiate. 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.399 My deal that I just did a month ago for 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.760 less money and give back the balance or have to 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.680 owe a lot more. You understand what I'm saying, and 0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:17.800 I'm like, no, chill. So by the time the record 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.560 comes out, I make all the money they gave me. 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:22.960 What does not your mean exactly what you say. 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.000 I'm just on ice and say, yeah, I'm not going 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:25.800 to negotiate at all. 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:27.600 Yeah, I'm not going to negotiate it all. Let's the 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.680 record come out, because the record is on its way out. 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.000 Let the record come out. The record does what it 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.399 is doing what it does. So now they're happy because 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:36.200 like they. 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.280 Got fifty percent of my pocket so the record is popping. 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.600 They're getting fifty percent, but I also recoup. Now. 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:44.480 The thing is for people that on the door understand 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.680 what you're being given. They're not giving you money, no 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.840 record label, no publishing company that gives you money. 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:52.560 They owe. They lend you money. Yeah it's a long 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.600 They lend you your own money interest with interest. So 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:04.680 this guy so, so then I paid back my loan 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.720 and now they have to pay me, and they don't. 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.879 They expect to give you a high, high yield on it, 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:17.119 and they expect you to oh oh and never have 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:17.800 to pay out. 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:21.240 They don't expect by the next payout. They got to 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:23.560 give you a couple of hundred first record, Yeah, on 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:25.159 the first record, And you know. 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:29.399 And I think as a producer, I'm not going to 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:33.240 say I've produced on a lot a lot of stuff, 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:36.240 but I've produced on a lot of quality stuff. So, 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:40.919 like my resume is over forty forty five million records 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.920 sold based on the artists that I chose to work 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.840 with and be on it. Every album was multiple two, three, four, 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:52.560 five times platinum, So that that gives that that pushes 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.560 that money back. So now it's like my situation now 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.600 is just more of an admin deal. They just collecting 0:27:57.960 --> 0:27:59.840 and I don't have to owe them anything. But that 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:04.560 took years to understanding, years to realize. And so back 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:07.480 to your man in Baisley, he don't have that time 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:11.960 to understand that possible future for him. You know, Like 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.040 we can name way too many artists that got the 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.080 super popping record. The record is popping, then the publishing 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:21.359 company kicks in and they now they want to scrape 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.680 up the rewards. He would have got those rewards anyway, 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:27.200 you know, that's the point. He would have gotten those 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:31.480 things anyway. So, like I said, it's it's crazy man. 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:33.679 It's a crazy game. I know we spoke about Switch, 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:35.199 but I want to. 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.600 Know how the record came about, Like like who was 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:38.840 the people making the phone calls? 0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:40.560 I believe everkan Next had something to do with that. 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.560 Every didn't have anything to do with Switch. So Switch, 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.000 I guess because of you know, just my time in 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.080 the game. I know Will, so you know what I'm saying. 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:51.760 It's not like I didn't know him. 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:56.200 But parents understand Will. Yeah, just don't understand Hell yes. 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.840 And and I want to give a shout to Will 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.120 real quick because throughout my career it's weird because it's 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:10.440 not by design, but Will is always done some sort 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.360 of a lookout without me knowing. 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:14.520 That has helped me. 0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.719 So for example, when I first came out, Will had 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.160 this he got his Grammy was eighty nine, he got 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:24.520 his Bammy. He had this big old crib in this 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.320 area called Gladwin, Pennsylvania, And I went and there was 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.160 a Grammy party everybody was there, and. 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:33.320 Will was like, yo, man, you know, I'm just coming out. 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:34.920 He was like, I really like what you're doing, like 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:37.880 your vibe blah blah blah, some dope stuff, he said, 0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.680 but you got to understand what's ahead of you. And 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:45.400 nobody knows, nobody before me ever had this conversation any 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:46.000 other artists. 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:47.840 I knew we was out just getting girls. That's what 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.200 we were doing. He was like, you got to understand 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.280 what was ahead of you, and he said, I'm not bragging, 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:53.280 but I just need to show you. 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.160 So we go out into the garage. He shows me 0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:57.360 all these cars. He was like, each one of these 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.320 cars come with a car note. You know it about 0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:03.600 just because I got money, you got to maintain that. 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:05.880 And then looking at the crib and it's like, Yo, 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:07.960 this crib comes with a mortgage. You know, you got 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.680 to figure out how are you going to maintain something 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:11.840 like this because you can get this too. 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:14.880 Then then he has his Gram's like yo, you know 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.760 it's like, you know, check it out. And so it's 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:19.280 my first time I'm holding a Grammy. 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:21.840 I'm like, yo, this shit is heavy, and I'm like 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.520 he was like, you know, things come with that so 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.840 just always be mindful about your business and about your 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.720 spending because you're able to achieve that. You know by 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.640 the records I see you making. I think you can 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.760 achieve this, but just be smart. So that was jewel 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:42.600 number one. Then flash forward, now I'm fucked up in 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:44.600 the game. I'm like, I don't have my deal. 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.160 Records ain't really popping just before you started producing? Yeah, 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:50.480 well I've always been producing. 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.200 I got produced all my stuff, so like before I started, 0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.000 I really really outside of you. 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:55.360 Yeah. 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.960 So I'm sitting at home, I'm I'm in Corona and 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:02.360 looking at the Fresh Prince of bed and incomes my 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.200 song only You, and they have a whole episode he's 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:07.200 to it. I'm like, oh shit, they use my joint. 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.520 So like that, I'm getting these ask caap checks that 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.720 I would yo. And that was rent, like straight rent 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:16.240 being paid and a couple of Air Force ones and 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.840 Mac ninety seven, and so I'm like, all right, good 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.080 looking out because I didn't, you know, I never asked, 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.760 but he wanted that record in the episode, and then 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:30.120 that episode turned into another episode where that record was used. 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.040 So now I got two episodes of Fresh Prince of 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:37.040 bel Air in syndication, handing me checks. 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:41.520 Literally helping me out from that. Yeah. 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:45.000 Yeah, so I'm saying, but I was I was not 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.520 happening at this point when these episodes was out, so 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.320 I was like, Oh, this is good. And then you 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.400 fast forward to two thousand and I don't know four. 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:58.760 I think it was where Switched. One of the people 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.440 that work works with my man Omar, who used to 0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:04.280 be Will's dancer, actually reached out to me. 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:05.480 He was like, Yo, do you have any beats? 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.320 Will's working on a new album and he hadn't had 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:11.040 anything out at the time, so I just sent him beats. 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:14.680 So Switch was already tailor made. It was the beat, 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:15.440 the hook. 0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:20.240 I always handing beats, hooks, and sometimes song ideas like 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.280 verses or whatever, but this one was just the beat 0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:27.000 and the hook fully done. And then it was a 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.160 couple of other joints and then Will and Omar called 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:30.760 me and was like, Yo, we really want to Switch 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.920 record and so it was just started working on it. 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.520 My man Kel Spencer from Brooklyn, he came in and 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.640 helped out with the lyrics me. Will Kel wrote the 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.480 lyrics on it, and Will was filming the movie Hitch 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.560 at the time. So he would film hitch in the morning, 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:46.760 come to the studio work on the album at night. 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:48.960 So this like this this dude was working hard and 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:50.400 that's how the work the record came out. 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.400 Was that the album that he had on the track masters, 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:56.280 on the Columbia track masters was the one before the Yeah, yeah, 0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:56.960 so this one. 0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.360 I can't remember the name of the album anymore, but yeah, 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.160 it was the one. I it was after the. 0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:04.600 I think it was like to get Jiggy Witted album 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.160 and I think Big Willie Style was that album or 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:07.960 I can't remember. 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.040 But then it was like a few years later he 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.920 did this one. You getting checks from my I company 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:13.920 that switched thee. 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:16.880 So so that's the thing, and that's the thing that 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:22.280 helped me, helped me recoup Bosh and Lahm had these 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:28.240 removable what do you call them things to contact Switch 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.880 and Yeah, so in all these countries in Europe it 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:36.560 would be the commercial of like switch and Yo, they 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.760 like when I tell you, I don't even want to 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:45.840 disclose the amount of money, but just that commercial was 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.840 the first advance I got from the publishing company, just 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:49.920 that commercial alone. 0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:54.280 So that's how I ended up super recooping correct sixty 0:33:54.320 --> 0:34:00.480 eight percent of so I don't even I don't remember 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:06.200 that number, but it's that smoke. So yeah, so when 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:07.640 those when that check came in. 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.600 You know, even though the first the first check of it, 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.560 I didn't necessarily see because it went back. 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:20.879 To recooping, recouped it. Okay, you know between that and yeah, 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.160 I was even Stephen at that point, I was like, fine, dude, 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:25.200 I don't you know, I'm not even want to see 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:25.600 the commercial. 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.959 I live in America. I'm not this damn commercial whatever. 0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:30.800 But then other things started coming along with it, and 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:37.440 that showed me the power of trying to broaden your base. 0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:42.400 Perfect example, with you and Theaton, it was a FIFA, 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:47.640 there was an NBA, and there was some other things, 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.759 and that was just for that particular record, you know 0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:54.520 what I'm saying. So it taught me a lesson as 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.600 a producer and as a writer, Like you know, right 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.320 for the hood for sure, but is hoods everywhere, and 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.759 you got to figure out that frequency that people can 0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:06.600 tap into. Like I was saying with you in the Reggaeton, 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:10.719 like I thought that was a monster move to do that. 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.560 I was like, you know, it's a whole world out 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.520 here and people got to understand it's not just the 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:18.359 block you want, and you got to understand that world. 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:18.920 Right. 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.560 Although, let me ask you, though, although you were producing 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.239 for yourself, when you were you know, an mc ye 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.319 putting out records, how did you how did you make 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.680 that transition though to just being a producer and shopping 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:32.320 these yourself as a producer. 0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.719 So I'm going to give that that's a great question. 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:37.879 I was always produced, Like the first record, the first 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:41.320 thing I ever did as an professional was I was. 0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:46.680 I produced this record for Antoinette, Wrapper out of the 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:51.080 Bronx and Answerinette. I was maybe fourteen when I did 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:56.720 this record, and oh the record is terrible. I hated 0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:02.120 that record. Man, I'm singing on it. They spelled my 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.800 name wrong, my name, they spelled the q U I 0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.920 M I. My mother had to come to the studio 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.719 and blackout on her manager because they're trying to pay me. 0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.000 It was the wildest experience. 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:18.040 But watching Herbie Lovebug and watching him produce Salt and 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:21.240 Pepper and Kid playing Dana Dane, That's what I learned. 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:22.759 What was peper first name? 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:28.360 SuperNature? SuperNature? And I didn't really understand what producer was 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:33.200 so like it would be like Herbie would be in 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:37.280 there with salt and pepper. He was driving an orange 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:41.279 nineteen seventy eight Dotson that was being helped together by 0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:45.360 duct tape like no lock. Their first album dropped and 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.160 Herbie disappeared, like he disappeared for the whole summer. And 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:52.480 when he came back, math Fat Rope Grilly pulled up 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.200 in a Cherry red one ninety. 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.840 E with Gucci seats. I was like, you, what the 0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.520 hell and he was like, i'm a, i'm a, I'm 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:04.080 I'm going to do that. 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:08.520 So so after producing my own stuff, I'm always like 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:12.560 trying to produce other people. And I think two things 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.080 that happen. One, I want to give a shout to 0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:18.040 my man Rick Rick and Philly. My man Rick Young 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:22.879 Rick had a tap in at one point. Every well, 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.960 I think it's still like this. Every person who has 0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:30.759 who sells Hood pharmaceuticals has a crew that can rap 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:36.200 and they're able to, yes, they're able to fund projects, 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:40.200 fund independent projects and help get their crew out of 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.279 the situation they're in. So we had tapped into a 0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.360 bunch of cruise in Philly that was doing that, and 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.880 so that's how I started really starting to make the 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:51.719 rent and starting to be able to get on that 0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:55.040 peter Pan beat after beat after beat, crew after crew, 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:59.279 then you know, rocking with some cruise in hallm same thing, 0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:01.239 beat after be have to beat and then. 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.520 But at the same time I was still trying to 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:04.000 get back on. 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.880 So my man Ron Lawrence, I played him some stuff 0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:12.479 and he was like, yo, man, that biggie, that biggie line. 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.120 Man, it kind of killed your name. Yeah. 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.120 He was like kind of like, sawte your name out here. Man, 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:19.600 I don't know if you can come back out right now, 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:23.279 but these beats are nuts. Between Ron Lawrence and I 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:24.840 got to give a shout out to the track masters 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:26.759 because I come up there they were working on Mary's Out. 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:28.880 I'll be playing beats, but I'd be rhyming on them, 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:30.120 and they were like, you want to sell the beat? 0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.560 Like no, no, no, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:36.360 come back out and everybody, all the major people that 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.720 I was playing these records for, Yeah, but they asking 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:43.800 me to sell the beat, and I'm like, I don't 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:44.720 even know how to take. 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:47.600 It because YO want my way. But then on the 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:51.239 other end, I'm like, but the beats is dope, and 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:55.440 I'm I'm the kid in basically at this point. So 0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:59.840 I'm like, I remember like track Masters, I remember like no, no, 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:01.239 it was Ron Launch, Like, you know you can get 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.359 twenty five grand for this beat right now? I said, 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:07.879 putting all of these rhymes is don't And he's looking 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:11.319 at me like dog, you gotta understand where he's at 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.160 right now in this world. And I was like, all right, 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:16.479 let's try it right And I didn't you know, He's 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:17.720 telling me he can get beats. 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:23.400 So I'm laying up, I'm in the crib and he 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.600 gives me a calling. He's like, we got we got 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:27.919 four Like what fuck you talk about? We got four? 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.560 Four placements? Yeah? I'm like, what do you mean for? 0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:33.560 He said, ll just bought three and Mary J. Blige 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:37.320 just bought one. Wow. And I'm sitting now, I'm in Harlem. 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.360 I'm in a one bedroom apartment in Halem, six floor walker. 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:42.480 I don't know where he buying from, married, I don't 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.160 know who he's your story. He's like, he said, so 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.360 who do I make the check to? I said, what 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.320 you mean? He said, Yo, we just sold four beats. 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:56.120 I'm like work And so the first thing because back then, 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.640 you know, back then, the producer had to bring all 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:04.520 their equipment to the student. And so so I'm like, 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:06.560 my first night, I've got to go to Sony Studios. 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:07.160 I gotta work on this. 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.839 The greatest studio on the planet beside a circle house. 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:17.000 Out here you run into anybody, and so you get 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:21.960 I get that, and I'm nervous as ship because it's like, yo, 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:22.400 am my. 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.800 Back and I don't even know it, you know what 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:25.160 I'm saying. 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.440 So I'm like, this is your first placement as a producer, period, 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.640 and do you know you meet me and now I'm 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:32.560 not meeting him for the first time. 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:34.359 I'm saying, you know, you know you're going to lay 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.000 it down for the tracks down. 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.200 For yeah, And I'm like, so, I'm like, I'm starting 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.319 to get straight nervous, like I ain't never did this before. 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:42.719 And I'm like I had to snap out of it. 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:44.879 I go, I'm on the train. I take the a train. 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:46.760 I got my MPC and a bag. 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:48.719 You know what I'm saying. 0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:52.960 They rented the rest of my stuff and and I 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.799 walk into the studio and I walk in and as 0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:59.560 you mentioned, Eric Nixon, shout out to Eric L's and 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:04.719 the time, and L's there and I'm sitting and I'm 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.120 setting my shit up and L walks in the room. 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.920 He's like, yo, Kual, what you're doing? That's crazy? 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.560 He said, are we in the wrong session. I was like, no, no, 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:14.560 it's the right section. She's like, what you're doing? And 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:16.319 I'm finishing your beat? 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.200 He was like wait what he said? 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:22.960 Ron didn't make that beat? And it was nothing against Ron. 0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.239 Ron never said he made the beat, but he was like, 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:26.080 Ron didn't make that beat. 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:27.759 I was like, no, I made that. He was like yo. 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.080 He was like, so you want to just get on 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:34.520 the hook. I was like sure, you know what I'm saying. 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.040 So the first record we did was a record on 0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:38.759 his album called ten called throw your L's Up. So 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.160 it doesn't say feature in kuwame, but I'm like, yo, shit, 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.440 I got an ll cool J do it right. 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.279 So that's the first being. Then you know, we worked 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:48.480 on the. 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.080 Other We worked on another record called ten Million Stars, 0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:54.320 which is probably one of my favorite records I ever produced. 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:58.440 And then we did this children's. 0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:00.440 Record call and the Winner Is and it like he 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.200 did like a scholastic children's book, and it was like 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:04.439 a rap record. 0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:06.760 To go with that. So we did those three records 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:08.640 in the first week. And then. 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.880 And then there was the other surreal moment where I 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:17.400 was doing a show as Kwameta rapper on one side 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:22.000 of the city and I had to finish the show 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:23.719 early because I had to be in the studio with 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.719 Mary to do her record. And the whole time I'm 0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:30.320 on stage, you know, doing nineteen eighty nine records, I'm. 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.160 Just like, can this shit get over with so I 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:33.640 can get into the studio and. 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.680 Be the new me, you know what I'm saying. So 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:39.399 it's like I throw the damn pok, I go into 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.000 the studio looking fresh, and I'm like, Yo, this is 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.799 I'm in the new lane now. And I never looked 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:46.560 back from that point. 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:54.359 Goddamn, because because I heard you speak about three different positions, right, 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:59.320 you said artists obviously, then DJing, right and producing? 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.000 Is when did you become all three? Or has that 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:03.680 always been you? 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:06.680 That was always well, see, I'm from the area, We're 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.080 all from the era. When you say you do hip hop, 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.399 you try to do every damn thing. You try to write, 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:14.200 you try to you gotta b box, you try to DJ, 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.560 you try to break down, do whatever you gotta. So 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.480 I still believe that I cannot say that I'm hip 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:26.560 hop without entering one of those chambers at any given time. 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:28.719 So if I got DJ, I'm a DJ. If I 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:30.719 got to write something on the wall, I'm gonna write 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.000 something on the wall. If I gotta do a beat 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.919 on a BT box or whatever, or rhyme or whatever, 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:38.880 it's whatever. I don't know if I'm a head spin now, 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:43.080 but you know what I'm saying. It's like so I've 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:47.120 been djaying as early as I can remember, like stealing 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.160 my parents' equipment and going because I used to go. 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:51.080 My school was up the block from my house. Shouts 0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.880 to Saint Gabes. I would go up to school and 0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:55.120 do parties and. 0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:55.640 Stuff like that. 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:58.800 You know what, I don't know, I must because it 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:02.359 wasn't Kenny from around Kenny Smith from remember. I think 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:03.759 both of them went to the same games. 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:08.040 I believe. Yeah, yeah, I know Kenny Smith might have 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:09.480 because I think he told me that he did. 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:15.040 Okay, yeah, Eddie, I wanted to say, I wanted to 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:16.600 say that for any coo, but he's not here yet. 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:17.759 But our boy Eddie, he was. 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:20.000 Brother. 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.560 Yeah yeah, yeah, my brother was five years behind me. 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:25.000 So yeah, so so. 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.560 Djaying has always been the first music money I ever made. 0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:34.600 Was my fifteen dollars for Djay and Marianne Shilling For's 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:37.040 twelve birthday party. 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:38.799 You know, I don't know what the hell I'm doing 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:39.680 just putting records on. 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:44.360 But for me, I think you should try to embody 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:46.399 all things if you can, you know what I'm saying. 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:50.040 So I don't get mad at and I know, let 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:51.960 me say this to DJ now, even though I have 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:56.480 a DJ right in front of me. I think each 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:58.480 thing that you claim to be, if you're a DJ, 0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:00.880 I think that's a sacred thing. I don't think I 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:04.720 will never call myself DJ Kwame. I'll do a party, 0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:07.560 but I'm not gonna call myself DJ Kuame because that's 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:08.040 not what I am. 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:08.920 You know what I'm saying. 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.640 I call myself an artist and a producer way before 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:15.200 I select. I'll select records, but I'm not gonna call 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:16.439 myself a DJ because I think. 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:18.520 That's on him. 0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:23.400 That's on him, you know what I'm saying. Like I 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:27.320 see it both sides. I knew for me, it's a 0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:28.760 sacred title. 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:30.960 That's for me. That's how I look at it when I. 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:35.719 See DJs and I see real DJs, not Serrado selectors. 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:43.640 I'm talking about real DJ cates crates at home. 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:45.680 Like I was talking to Red Alert the other day 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.279 and I was like, I asked him because I was 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:49.600 I thought it was a rumor. I said, is it 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.520 a rumor that you have an apartment in Harlem with 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:54.279 so many records that the. 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:58.000 Years are buckling? He said, that ship is true. Wow, 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.239 he said it's one hundred percent. Yeah. He said the 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:05.239 floors are caving in, so he had to like strategically 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:09.239 put the records around the floors because it's too much weight. 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:13.000 That's a DJ. You know what I'm saying. Where where 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:17.879 I know DJ's that the records. I'm pretty sure you've 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:19.759 been in a DJ's crib where the records is the 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:21.640 whole crib. It just fakes everyone. 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:23.880 My record's all over my crab. I got a separate office. 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:25.520 I got my records at the crib. 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:27.520 Yeah, And it's like like he told me when I 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:29.279 got He's like, I wanted to bring one of your 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:30.080 old rock records. 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.000 I couldn't find it. That's some DJ ship. 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.040 And I can't be mad at that because I know 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:37.440 what that is where it's like, oh, I got everything 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:40.920 on my hard drive. All right, cool, that's fine, you know, 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.719 but do you have do you have this vinyl at home? 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.520 You know, I'm a Soado selector. I select well, but 0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:51.480 I'm a Soado selector and and and i don't even 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.000 choose a lot of times that to DJ. I'd rather 0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.239 produce and perform than now. 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.359 Now, there was a rumor that at your hottest I'm 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:01.520 talking about the hottest, but you were still riding the train. 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:03.440 Is that true? Pro ride the train? 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:09.720 I mean all the time, all the time, like because 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:11.480 like you know, that was the thing, like you know, yo, 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:14.640 I will take the train. Well, well, at my hottest hottest, yeah, 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:16.960 because at my hottest, I'm in high school, so I 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:18.279 had to get on the train that time. 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.440 You started at sixteen. I heard fourteen earlier, well fourteen, 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:24.640 the fourteen. By the time that record came out, I'm sixteen, 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:30.000 only seventeen. Yeah, And at some point, let's be clear, 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:33.440 at some point at my hottest, I did have to 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:36.600 have like security, which was whack to me. 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:39.879 I thought it was like super whack because I went 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.359 to this high school. The main high school I went 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:45.080 to was in Manhattan called high school art and design artist. 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.920 I wanted to do it and having project product, you 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.759 went there, Sticky Fingers went there, parro Manch went there. 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.640 Who else? When I heard you all went to school together, 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:57.400 I didn't think it was our design. Yeah, it was 0:47:57.440 --> 0:47:57.920 our design. 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:01.799 So Prince Paul Tree from you know that that group, 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:06.720 that group organized confusion, So we all went to the school. 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:10.279 Cool him from umc's. We're all at one point in 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:14.000 time in the same school. But my parents were getting divorced. 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:15.240 My pops moved to New Jersey. 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.000 I had it all predominantly Queen's artists though, right, Yeah, 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:21.319 So how was how the all Queens artists end up? 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.600 I don't know. We always you know how to draw 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.200 and so so. 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.399 But long story short, I ended up in the high 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:33.719 school Forest Hills High School in Queens for my for 0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:38.400 my eleventh grade, and that's when the album kicked in. 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.320 So the album kicks in, My advance kicks in, the 0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:46.319 album don't come out yet. He comes, He comes, Stupid Kwalm, 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:51.000 Stupid Kom pulls up Mega truck Jewelry. I'm looking like 0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:55.319 Slick Rick versus Eric b versus Big Daddy King. 0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:01.040 Then I borrowed from Herbie Lovebug. He had this bracelet, 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:03.080 but the bracelet came from here to here. 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:10.640 I'm coming to school with this monster bracelet, cube and 0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:11.720 links like Gucci. 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:20.320 I'm looking like a madman, all leatherland, French coats. 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:19.319 Wilding out. 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:23.239 I didn't know nobody the schemes were happening. Trust me, 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:23.880 the schemes are. 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:25.440 I'm looking. I'm sitting in the lux roover on. 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:30.279 My scam scamsh so I'm walking through and I got 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.400 cool with the security guard and he was like, yo, man, 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:35.440 I just need to tell you they watching you. I'm like, well, 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:36.960 I know, I know the kids in the school is 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:40.040 watching me. He said, no, day watching you. There's a 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:43.560 there's a detective undercover in the school watching you. Who 0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.560 thinks you move and weight in the school. I said, Now, 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.359 I'm a rapper. He said, nobody gonna believe that ship wow. 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.320 And I'm like, for real, he said, yeah, so you 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:54.879 know you gotta chill out with this. You acting wow 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:56.960 right now. And I'm like, and I'm on the train 0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:00.960 with this. Mind you, I'm looking crazy. I'm crazy the eighties. Yeah, 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:05.879 I'm bugget So when you first back in the days 0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:08.920 when you get an album cover, it comes in like 0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:11.200 this sheet, this long sheet. It's like a pressing, test 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:16.200 pressing of an album covers. And I had some cassettes, 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:20.480 some pressing, some test cassettes, the test album cover. 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:23.400 And then the vinyl. And I went to the principal's 0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:26.920 office and I was like, yo, I hear it, y'all 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:27.400 watching me. 0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:29.480 And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about, 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.120 mister Holland I'm like, yeah, you know, that's fine, it's cool. 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.360 I know I need to turn tone it down, and 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:36.680 I will because I don't know what I was thinking. 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:40.799 And I apologize for that, but this is a young age. 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:44.000 You used that and tell us that because I knew, 0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.440 you know, I was always taught. You know, you you 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:50.840 attract the heat that you get at all times. You 0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:55.640 attracted real So I'm like, you know, and then you know, 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.880 and I'm attracting another element because I know I'm being 0:50:57.960 --> 0:50:58.440 schemed oning. 0:50:58.480 --> 0:50:59.960 So what happens now? I got to bring my foot 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:01.600 to school, you know what I'm saying. 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:03.279 And I got deal with these south Side kids and 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:05.480 this that and the third it's like I'm a try 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:08.160 I'm putting pressure on the school I'm putting pressure on 0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:10.680 myself and I'm putting pressure on the kids in school. 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:13.359 So it's like, all right, I understand what I'm doing. 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.040 His Wow, but this is what I do. 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.920 I'm a rapper. I'm coming out. The album comes out 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:24.600 January thirty first. This is like pre Christmas break. So 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:27.879 the principal goes, Yo, why don't you just don't come back? 0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:31.279 Like the fuck? He's like, you're about to be a 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:35.160 rich rapper, hip hop man, right, why don't you just say? 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.640 I was like, wait, what this is the principal? Yeah, 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:41.239 that the principal don't look like me. 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:44.400 You know what I'm saying. He's about the shade of 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:49.719 his candle. So he's telling me to drop out. Bar 0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:53.560 sales height, Yeah, I don't even remember this guy's name. Now, 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:55.879 if I would have told my parents, especially my mom, 0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.600 and mom would have fast and I would have been Now, 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:00.560 I got kids scheming on me. I got the principal 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:03.160 one to be the dropout, I got the DT and 0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:05.000 I here come my mom. That's worse than all of 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:08.200 them put together. So I'm like, are you sure you 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:09.640 want me to do that? He's like, yeah, I think 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:10.440 you should drop out. 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:10.879 Wow. 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:14.840 I said, I'll get back to you, so as Christmas 0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:18.120 break goes. So what we decided to do. Anybody in 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:20.120 New York and will notice. In the New York City 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.280 school system we got a thing called six hundred School. 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:24.879 That's right, oh boys, yep, six hundred school. I went 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:25.560 there twice. 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:27.320 Which one you go to? I went to one in 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:30.520 Bridgewood and I went to one in Bushwick. I was 0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:34.600 at Bushwick. They were like, we're on the same block, 0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:43.000 six hundred school. So my management should have known better 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:47.279 because they were professional children's schools that I could have 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.480 went to. There was a school in Manhattan called PPAs 0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:53.320 and it was strictly for kids that were usually on 0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:56.680 Broadway or in TV shows or movies. But they would 0:52:56.680 --> 0:53:00.640 have taken me, and I knew some kids my little brother. 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.319 My little brother was heavy into dance and he had 0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:09.160 a lot of friends like Dion Bud from The Cosby Show. 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.840 He used to go there. Mcaulay Caulking used to go there, 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:13.279 and they were friends of my little brother. So I 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.439 knew about I knew about the school, and I tried 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.400 to suggest it, but they didn't know how to go 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:19.719 to the route there, so they put me in a 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.600 six hundred school. Wow, And it made it seem like, 0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:25.800 you know, with six hundred schools, you either messing around 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:27.279 in school and you bad and they tell you to 0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:29.200 go to the six hundred school, or you have an 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:31.680 extenuating circumstance. You got to take care of a parent, 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:34.319 you have to work during the day, you're pregnant, teen, 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.640 you're whatever. So now I got to go to the 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.080 six hundred school in Bushwick. You know how it is 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:43.799 in Bushwick in nineteen eighty nine, I didn't even know. Yeah, 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:48.759 I only knew Queens of the Yeah man tact. You 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:49.759 go get that there. 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.880 It's like, yo, where am I at? So now I 0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:54.400 got to pull up And this time I'm not on 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:58.880 the train. I'm pulling up in a convertible, all white convertible. No, no, no, 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:03.879 I got this this folks wacken, folks waging cabriolet. I'm 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:07.560 pulling up, top down in January. 0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:16.680 And still school. And I'm not the tallest dude in 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.560 the room. I'm like five six, and I got this 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:23.120 eight foot tall security dude next to me, and we 0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:24.960 walking through the school and everybody's looking at me like 0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.920 the fuck you have security in the school? I had 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:33.920 school security. No, I had to have security in the school. 0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:36.239 So I'm walking through the school. I'm trying to be 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:39.600 everybody hey, you know, and he's looking at me like, yeah, 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:42.360 you got a big security. 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:42.480 Go. 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:47.120 So I get into the school and they make me 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:50.680 sit in a closet for the whole school day. I'm 0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:54.200 in a meat big man a desk and I'm in 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.600 the closet. You in school, I can't they separate, like 0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:58.840 like I'm in PC, but in school. 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:01.520 In school, I'm like, six hundred is kind of like jail. 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:01.879 Yes. 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.560 So I'm like in this clause, I say, why can't 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:07.279 I be around the other kids? And the teacher's like, 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:09.440 you cannot be around the other kids. I'm like, they 0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:11.560 could be my friends, you know, they cannot, like, just 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:13.960 do your work. So I'm doing my. 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.279 School work and the music's out already. The music is 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:20.920 out popping, so everybody knows I'm popping. 0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:24.600 And the lucky thing, the thing that took me out 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:27.279 of the six hundred school was I did a deal 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:30.399 with them where I can go on tour. 0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:31.319 Wow. 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:35.000 And when I go on tour, they send me the 0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.320 work like homeschool. Yeah, And I do the work and 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:38.800 then when I come off a to it, I just 0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:40.759 hand it in. It's like hey, coming in the morning, 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:42.160 handing it and get the hell out out of here, 0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:42.800 you know. 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:44.719 But they had to mail you, not email you. 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.880 No either, somebody from my management company were going to 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:51.080 pick up a pocket or say if I'm there week one, 0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:53.680 they'll give me a packet for week two, three, and four. 0:55:54.440 --> 0:56:01.480 I'm going. And so that's privilege. You call it privilege. 0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:05.680 Everybody getting chicks. And I was sitting there doing math. 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:10.040 I'm like, this is not you know what I'm saying. 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:14.320 I was disciplined, but like my godfather was one of 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:18.800 my role managers, like, yeah, my moms, wasn't my mind's possible, 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.000 wasn't playing it. And the first tour that I was on, 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:25.839 I'm actually getting a contact high. It's pretty cool. Yeah, 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.399 I'm like floating it. But I never experienced after before. 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:29.640 But so. 0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:36.319 So so, and that's one of the. 0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:40.719 Things with contact high, you don't remember ship. So the 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:42.880 first tour I was on was that n w A 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.399 to Ever see the n w A movie one tour. 0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:47.759 That was my first tour. You on that tour? 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:55.520 Yeah, so it was me who ship me and w A? Yeah, 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:58.840 he was the host. So this had the toy this 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:00.560 is what how don't hip hop? I was back in 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:04.520 the day. This is some real ship? So T. K. 0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:08.480 Kirkland was the host, opening host of he would host 0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:09.279 throughout the whole thing. 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:14.680 Then the opening act was the d O C. And 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:16.800 after the d O C was J J Fad you know, 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:20.920 Dre had to put his axe on. Then we had 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:22.480 just like random acts. 0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:23.160 There was an act. 0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:25.080 There was a group seven eight three was one of 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:33.040 the groups from down here, Poison Clan that maybe this 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:36.680 leg when we came here, the certain Poison Clan because 0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:38.360 we used to clown the fun out and I'm pretty 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:43.320 sure it was on that tour. But then it was 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:50.560 kidd and play on the get this it's too short. 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:53.720 It's myself, It's easy. 0:57:56.000 --> 0:58:00.240 And then n w A. So they have the police. 0:58:01.280 --> 0:58:03.840 So every city, mind you, this is arenas. We're not 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:08.240 doing clubs. We're doing thirty thousand arenas. 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:09.400 Every every night. 0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:15.040 You're eighteen nineteen, I'm seventeen seventeen. Jesus, I'm sixteen going 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:15.640 on seventeen. 0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:19.320 This is wild. So every night we're doing these arenas. 0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:26.080 But because of fuck the police, all law enforcement countrywide 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:31.400 boycotted the shows, so there was no security in thirty thousand. 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:35.280 You talk about this here before, but there was no violence. Right. 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.760 We had to talk to the people like, yo, y'all 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.760 want this show to go on, y'all got to chill. 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.840 Whatever happens after the show, y'all take that shit outside. 0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:47.840 It's the only way this show is going to happen. 0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:51.280 And then the police chief will show up and they'll 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:51.560 come in. 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:54.280 They'll have a list. Now if you'll say fuck shit, 0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:56.480 damn it, if you do any kind. 0:58:56.360 --> 0:59:01.000 Of gyrating with your penis or anything like that, immediately arrested. 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.960 So they would tell us this as we right before 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:08.280 we get on stage. So the mandate was we would 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.040 all have a meeting, everybody sit there and easy. It 0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:14.120 would be like, yo, it ain't about who goes on 0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.800 last or first. This was gonna happen. 0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:19.880 Yeah. 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:20.080 Yeah. 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:22.680 So he was like, yo, calm, you get on, you 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.960 do your thing. As soon as you get on, get 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:27.520 off because you're the clean guy. 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:32.120 Get off. I'm running on. I'm gonna do my thing. Yes, 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:36.840 I'm gonna run on, and then I'm bringing w a 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:38.200 out and we're. 0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:42.240 Gonna spas the fuck out at the last song is 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:45.440 fuck the Police, as fuck the Police is going on, 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:49.120 We're gonna jump in the crowd, run out the front. 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:53.000 Can you play? You get right on stage, so fuck 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:58.280 the police gets on. They all boom, shut down the middle. 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:03.520 And then following then is come on man, it comes on, 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:07.800 cleaning up or we would switch out quime you're gonna last. 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:09.480 You gotta do it tonight. You know, it would be 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:13.919 that switch up. And that's some hip hop ship. It wasn't. 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:16.040 It was three. It wasn't had nothing to do with 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:18.640 East Coast, West coast anything. That was just. 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:25.320 And everybody because hip hop wasn't mainstream, and because hip 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:29.040 hop wasn't, I feel like it's almost like I want 1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:32.360 to I want to liken it to like Latin concerts. 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:34.280 You know how Latin concerts. 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:37.480 Can do a whole stadiums and arenas and like, but 1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:40.520 some of those artists aren't on mainstream radio. 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:44.480 This is not on mainstream like American radio. Yeah, but 1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:47.680 two hundred thousand people will be up in them. Was 1:00:47.680 --> 1:00:49.520 arena because they know it and it's a part of 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:52.120 the culture, and it was That's how hip hop was. 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:56.480 It was a part of our culture, and everybody wanted 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:58.000 to see it. So how youre going to not pack 1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:02.080 thirty thousand, thirty thousand kids, all colors, all races. It 1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:03.960 wasn't had nothing to do with nothing. It was just 1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:06.000 people who love hip hop. And then you know that 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:08.400 tour morphed into like then it was like a Public 1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:12.320 Enemy n w A I mean Easy E tour because 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:14.160 that n w A Toys that was the only tour. 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:16.280 It was a rap after that. So then you know 1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:17.600 I would be on tours. 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:19.720 I would be on tours with people from Public Enemy 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:23.000 to Teddy Valley and guy it what doesn't matter. 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:25.600 It was if it was of the time, you on 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:26.400 that kind of tour. 1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:28.200 And that was luckily for me and the type of 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:30.400 records I made, I was able to get on all 1:01:30.400 --> 1:01:31.640 those different types of tours. 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:36.120 Damn that was amazing. So I read somewhere that you 1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:38.160 say that your mom's watches everything you do. 1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:41.280 You do, so they're gonna tell moms to tool out 1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:46.360 for this part, yo, head phone me go don't understand man, 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:50.480 Let's not. 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:52.160 Watch this part. Because I got to ask you. 1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:54.800 You've been on all of these tours, you have the 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:58.240 oh and this is this is the definition of groupies. 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:04.800 How many groupies. You think you smashed? I said, homework, yeah, yeah, 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:07.840 yeah yeah, homework got finished. 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:12.720 Like I'm not well Chamberlain, because my my, you know, 1:02:12.880 --> 1:02:14.960 like you could see some rappers they got eight, nine, ten, 1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:18.520 twelve kids. That's from groupie loving. Now I ain't got that, 1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:22.080 but yo, I'm telling you, it'd be like the wildest. 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:25.120 Like we would have the wildest situations, like we pull 1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:28.200 up to the it'd be stuff like the tour bus 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:30.400 will pull up and it'll be a girl. 1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:33.600 I said, I want Carmel, Like what's carmel? Car Mail? 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:35.560 I want Carmel, you know, deal with the dots in 1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:41.880 the street, Calmel. And I'd be like, all right, Caramel. 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:44.760 She couldn't say, she just called me calml. 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:50.320 So so so groupy love would happen sometimes before we're 1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:52.720 even checking the hotels, Like the bus pull up and 1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:55.840 they got on, and it'll be these girls and you 1:02:55.960 --> 1:02:59.400 gotta watch it because you don't know, you don't know 1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:03.840 what it really is. So for example, one time I 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:06.040 was I don't remember what state I was in. These 1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:07.760 girls came in and they had on his short They 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:08.320 all will. 1:03:08.200 --> 1:03:10.040 Poke it out. That's what I know. Which ones was mine? 1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:29.400 Everyone they Yeah, the n w A girls. Girls will 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:32.800 always have a Raiders hat on. They would have body 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:35.640 suits with holes in it. So you see like half 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:39.760 they ask everything, half they everything. You know, that's easy 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:42.600 ease girls man like, you don't mess with them. But 1:03:42.720 --> 1:03:44.920 then the calm girls, they look like, you know, they 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:46.520 were the high school chicks with the you know, the 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:50.520 short pleated skirts to poke it out biker shorts. Yeah, 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:52.560 you know, like the fifty four eleven. You know what 1:03:52.560 --> 1:03:55.800 I'm saying. It was like, you know, some teenagers. So 1:03:56.160 --> 1:03:59.280 we pull up into one city and these girls are 1:03:59.320 --> 1:04:02.840 like poke it out it down in these little tight skirts. 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:06.840 The limousine pulls up, she takes off a shirt, puts 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:12.640 them on a glass. I'm like, yo, I'm see. I'm like, yeah, 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:16.280 they writing their name and number and lipstick on the thing. 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:19.360 And and our term, I'm not gonna give you the 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:23.760 term because we still use the term, so just say, 1:04:23.840 --> 1:04:26.280 for lack of a better term, like, oh, we smash it. 1:04:27.840 --> 1:04:31.800 So the show comes in and always is always the 1:04:31.840 --> 1:04:35.560 after party, and you always announce. People would announce what 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:38.640 hotels we were at on stage. 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:45.320 Holiday party, so the girls would nowhere to go. 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:52.080 So now, mind you these girls. I got to rewind 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:57.640 that because one of the girls looked like she was 1:04:57.800 --> 1:04:59.160 all of twelve years old. 1:05:00.600 --> 1:05:04.160 She was wilent. The other girls around the look of 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:06.080 age with this one looks like a little sister that 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:08.320 got out okay, and she was wild. 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:11.120 And so we get to the hotel and it's a 1:05:11.160 --> 1:05:13.560 knock on my door and I'm like, who knows my room? 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:16.000 I opened the doors and this girl checked out. 1:05:16.240 --> 1:05:19.680 She had the doobie weed bob or whatever you call it, 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:23.120 all made up, super tight skirt on and she came in. 1:05:23.240 --> 1:05:24.919 She's like, I'm ready for you. I'm like, you ready 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:27.479 for me? And I'm seventeen and I'm like, I'm ready 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:32.160 for you. And right before it happened, she's like, you 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:34.440 don't remember me, do you. I was like, nah, who 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:34.640 are you? 1:05:35.360 --> 1:05:37.080 I was the one with the blah blah blah. I'm 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:42.440 like the twelve years yeah, bounce, you gotta bounce. And 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:46.480 now you gotta understand. That's how ill it was. It 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:53.160 was so ill that I've witnessed mothers bring their daughters 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:58.520 to the hotel like I've seen it. The mother bring 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:02.280 my he's my she she's seventeen. She just wanted to 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:05.720 meet you, y'all have fun like what yo? 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:05.920 What? 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:13.560 Or while shit like girlfriends or wives coming into the 1:06:14.080 --> 1:06:16.920 to the lobby and I'm pretty sure you're seeing your 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:17.320 shit too. 1:06:17.400 --> 1:06:19.600 But what I'm saying girlfriends or wives and it'll be 1:06:19.760 --> 1:06:22.920 like whoever gets down with the girl and they get 1:06:23.040 --> 1:06:24.720 You're walking them, trying to be a gentleman. You're walking 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:26.560 them into the lobby, and they don't tell you they married, 1:06:26.800 --> 1:06:28.120 They don't tell you they got a girlfriend. 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:30.520 And then here comes the man out of nor. 1:06:30.640 --> 1:06:34.439 And swings up, knocks the girl out wild stuff. You're like, yo, 1:06:35.560 --> 1:06:36.920 it's like this ain't none of your business. 1:06:36.960 --> 1:06:37.320 I'm playing. 1:06:37.320 --> 1:06:39.680 It ain't my business at all, you know what I'm saying. 1:06:39.760 --> 1:06:45.240 So at an early age, I learned to really watch 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:49.240 what that is. I've been in malls, Like I've been 1:06:49.320 --> 1:06:51.080 in malls and. 1:06:52.640 --> 1:06:55.680 Random girls come up to me with like kids and 1:06:55.760 --> 1:06:58.960 they be like, Yo, you know MC such and such. Yeah, 1:06:59.000 --> 1:07:10.720 that's my man. Tell him this his kid, kid. You 1:07:10.920 --> 1:07:11.480 need to tell him. 1:07:11.520 --> 1:07:13.320 I don't know how you take my number and you're 1:07:13.400 --> 1:07:16.560 telling him he's in Phoenix, Arizona. He got a six 1:07:16.720 --> 1:07:17.360 year old son. 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:19.000 Look at it looks just like him doing it And 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:23.919 I'm like, yeah, kind of dude, So you gotta really 1:07:24.000 --> 1:07:24.400 watch that. 1:07:24.680 --> 1:07:27.360 That groopy, that groopy situation. Luckily, you know, I was 1:07:27.480 --> 1:07:31.360 able to dodge and and I ended up having a 1:07:31.520 --> 1:07:32.680 real good girlfriend. 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:33.880 That would be on the road with me. So I 1:07:33.960 --> 1:07:37.800 was just like, you know, check it. And if my 1:07:37.920 --> 1:07:40.360 mom was around, you know, was before that. He was 1:07:40.440 --> 1:07:45.200 knocking a lot of things down. Man. I'm just I'm 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:47.840 I'm I'm doing what I gotta do, you know, because 1:07:47.840 --> 1:07:48.600 I always wondered. 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:50.920 I was always like, do you think Kwame might have 1:07:50.960 --> 1:07:52.080 sucked one of Biggie's bitches. 1:07:52.160 --> 1:07:54.080 That's the reason why Biggie said that, you think I 1:07:54.200 --> 1:07:55.160 think so? You think so? 1:08:02.440 --> 1:08:05.920 I don't know, man, I think I'm jo but no, 1:08:06.080 --> 1:08:10.880 but something like that has happened. I'm working on these ja. 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:16.400 Yeah, waiting on these records, and I'm in the elevators 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:19.640 just me and Dame. Dame looks at me. He's like, 1:08:19.680 --> 1:08:23.360 you're a cool dude, man with you and everything, But 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:24.920 at one point in time, I just wanted to fuck 1:08:25.000 --> 1:08:28.080 you up. I was like, what Shi man, This girl 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:29.640 named Keisha man I used to love for me. He 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:31.880 was fucking to me. He was messing with my girl. 1:08:31.920 --> 1:08:34.559 And he kept coming around the block knocking this down. 1:08:34.600 --> 1:08:36.280 I wanted her so bad. I was like, but I 1:08:36.320 --> 1:08:38.800 ain't out of my fault. Don't be mad at me, 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:41.360 you know what I'm saying, charging to the game, but 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:43.320 I'm saying, you know, that was like a light, light 1:08:43.479 --> 1:08:46.960 hearted thing that was That was cool. But I don't know. 1:08:47.040 --> 1:08:50.599 I think I think with the big situation, I don't 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:51.880 think it was personal at all. 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:55.200 I don't think personally. I never looked at it as personal. 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:57.840 Matter of fact, we knew way too many of the 1:08:57.960 --> 1:09:01.280 same people, So I know if there was a personal thing, 1:09:02.120 --> 1:09:04.599 I would have known about it, you know, from puff 1:09:04.680 --> 1:09:07.040 on down, Like we knew too many same people. 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:09.800 I think it was a line. If you listen to 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:14.160 that first album, he got lines on damn everybody will 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:17.960 is to escape to me, you know some dreams where 1:09:17.960 --> 1:09:20.040 he's talking about yeah, like you know, and. 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:23.000 I know some R and B artists at that point 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:26.439 took offense to that. They was like, so, I don't 1:09:26.479 --> 1:09:32.120 think it was personal. But as I look during the time, 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:34.920 it wasn't funny to me. But now it's the funniest 1:09:34.920 --> 1:09:38.360 thing in the world because other people outside of me 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:43.720 took it personal and I didn't have a record out, 1:09:44.280 --> 1:09:46.320 and I'm a slick talker man, Like you know you're 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:48.759 gonna get at me. I'm a fine every way shape 1:09:48.800 --> 1:09:50.600 or form to get back. So if I do an 1:09:50.640 --> 1:09:52.680 interview and everybody else kick around, and I would say 1:09:52.720 --> 1:09:56.880 something and get on like I'm going, I was saying 1:09:57.200 --> 1:09:57.960 delicious stuff. 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:01.479 So wow, I didn't catch that. It was it was 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:04.040 just like random things like you know, dow here because 1:10:04.040 --> 1:10:07.400 I didn't have a thing to come back. So you 1:10:07.439 --> 1:10:09.120 know why you always come across from me as a 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:13.120 person that's not bothering. I'm not. I'm not. What you 1:10:13.200 --> 1:10:14.280 just said comes shocking. 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:16.680 Yeah, yeah, And what I was saying was not not 1:10:16.800 --> 1:10:18.880 in petty things. I'm always like tongue in cheek. I'm 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:21.000 always going to crack a joke about it. I'm never 1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:24.240 gonna come at you from a point of anger at all. 1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:27.160 But at the same time as hip hop, so you know, 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:30.679 you gotta like you gotta still stand up for yourself 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:32.680 in some way shape or for him somebody's asking. But 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:34.680 like I said, I never took it personal. It was 1:10:34.720 --> 1:10:36.720 always like I give you a perfect example. It was 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:39.799 a club in New York called Bentley's Bentley's. 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:42.960 Remember okay, now it turned in the club Shadow because 1:10:43.360 --> 1:10:45.200 the whole school yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yea. 1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:47.960 So we would go to Bentley's every Thursday night. We'd 1:10:48.000 --> 1:10:52.360 be pulling up in Bentley's. So Biggie King the album 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:57.560 comes out, and I'm sitting and I'm talking to this 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:58.240 girl this. 1:10:58.400 --> 1:11:01.200 After Biggie said the line, yeah, okay, well this is 1:11:01.280 --> 1:11:05.360 like right at the time, like just and I'm talking 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:06.559 to this girl. This girl is bad. 1:11:06.600 --> 1:11:09.120 I'm trying to bag us. And then they throwing unbelievable 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:14.800 and everybody's like and it's like people kind of hearing 1:11:14.840 --> 1:11:18.800 it for the first time. And then then the line 1:11:18.880 --> 1:11:21.720 comes on, played out like Quame and the Poconons, and 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:24.200 then the DJ drop the music shouts to quamet. 1:11:28.280 --> 1:11:37.880 I'm like, she gets up and I'm like worm running back. 1:11:40.280 --> 1:11:46.320 So it was always that, it wasn't and then and 1:11:46.439 --> 1:11:49.320 then there was a point where like I never ran 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:55.840 into big until this one night. We we did Mad Wednesdays. Okay, 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:59.200 Maria Davis. Davis was that in Mahas. 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:03.360 So it was on seventy second Street in Amsterdam. The 1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:05.640 whole building ain't even there no more. Okay, So we 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:07.519 do Mad Wednesdays, and I have a I have a 1:12:07.600 --> 1:12:09.280 record out at the time, I had an album that 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:10.440 came out maybe. 1:12:12.520 --> 1:12:16.160 A few months after Ready to Die. It's called Incognito. 1:12:16.840 --> 1:12:19.280 And that album, by the way, the album went triple 1:12:19.320 --> 1:12:24.479 styrofoam on the wall. So so I was doing like 1:12:24.600 --> 1:12:27.519 a performance that mad Wednesday sort of. When we walk in, 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:29.519 the first person I see at the ball was Big. 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:31.840 I was like, oh, here we go with this ship. 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:34.200 So I don't say nothing. You don't say nothing. We 1:12:34.320 --> 1:12:38.960 go into the day and I do my performance. We rock, 1:12:39.040 --> 1:12:42.599 you know, we did. We did well. And so Maria's like, well, 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:45.519 you know, we got a little controversy in the building. 1:12:45.640 --> 1:12:48.519 You know that Biggie Small said something about you on 1:12:48.600 --> 1:12:52.439 the record. He's here, you here, y'all need to settle 1:12:52.479 --> 1:12:54.280 this beef. WHI ch'all want to do? 1:12:56.320 --> 1:12:57.840 So I had to dudes with me, this is the 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:00.600 funniest shit ever. So she means, I don't know what 1:13:00.760 --> 1:13:06.040 she meant. Yeah, it was a whatever situation. So Big 1:13:06.120 --> 1:13:10.120 had his guys with him. I had like four guys 1:13:10.160 --> 1:13:13.679 with me. Now, y'all know my style. I'm not gonna 1:13:13.720 --> 1:13:17.280 be in the tyms and whatever. I'm in a hard 1:13:17.320 --> 1:13:20.200 bottoms in a tamn suit and a tie, looking like 1:13:21.000 --> 1:13:26.040 the insurance man. I was just on my my caple shit, 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:29.639 looking like I don't know, Eddie Murphy and Boomerang or something. 1:13:30.520 --> 1:13:36.400 So I get off stage and like I said, I'm I'm. 1:13:36.439 --> 1:13:40.280 Five six, five six and a half at most, and 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:43.760 I just remember Big walking up and him looking like 1:13:44.000 --> 1:13:48.080 he was nine hundred feet tall and he was rolling 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:49.519 a blunt like this stick. 1:13:49.640 --> 1:13:51.120 He was just I saw. All I remember is the 1:13:51.200 --> 1:13:54.840 blunt and his mask coming at me, and he was like, Yo, 1:13:54.840 --> 1:13:57.080 what the fuck you want to do? And I'm like, 1:13:57.600 --> 1:14:00.280 what the fuck you want to do? So he just 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:04.439 we're talking. It was actual smoke, like he was walking up. 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:05.160 I was, and I was. 1:14:05.400 --> 1:14:09.280 I wasn't back down, But all I heard in the 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:14.240 back of my mind was Michael Jackson Billy Jean, because 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:16.719 every dude with me did the moon walk. 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:28.080 Out the fucking I turned around. I'm like, I'm like, 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:29.439 are you crazy? Now? 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:32.960 I want to say I got to ask Sees when 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:34.320 the next time I speak to him, But. 1:14:35.880 --> 1:14:38.200 I want to ask him if he was the one 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:42.519 who stepped in between us, because I don't remember he 1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:44.479 stepped in between us, Like the fuck are y'all doing 1:14:45.120 --> 1:14:47.400 y'all bugging brother? And Biggie was like, yeah, you know, 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:49.160 you're right, You're right, and I was like hey, but 1:14:49.280 --> 1:14:51.559 I was like, I'm not even mad at y'all, mad 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:55.200 at them niggas, and I can't wait for skating out 1:14:55.720 --> 1:14:58.439 and so and then and then it turned into like, 1:14:58.520 --> 1:15:00.280 y'all not gonna be fighting up in the club. You're 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:03.080 it's like nobody fighting that. No, no, no, big you 1:15:03.200 --> 1:15:04.920 leave out the front, come, you leave out the bat, 1:15:05.360 --> 1:15:07.320 you know. And so we had to leave the club 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:10.920 and then that was it from there, And I think 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:13.640 that was the most it ever anything. But I just 1:15:13.680 --> 1:15:15.479 felt like that night was so funny because I just 1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:17.599 didn't know my boys knew how to do the moon walk, 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:21.920 and I never let them down for that. I'm like, yeo, 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:24.160 which I couldn't. I couldn't fight in your hard bottoms? 1:15:24.200 --> 1:15:25.000 Then what's going on here? 1:15:25.240 --> 1:15:27.599 Do you feel that that line, that Bige line kind 1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:30.439 of like really put a stop to your. 1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:32.080 Career. 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:35.840 It wasn't happening. This is nineteen ninety four. My last 1:15:35.880 --> 1:15:37.040 big record was maybe not. 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:39.120 You felt like it was already whining down. Yeah, Like 1:15:39.240 --> 1:15:41.040 so it was like a nail in a coffin for 1:15:41.120 --> 1:15:42.200 that for that era. 1:15:43.040 --> 1:15:45.280 And that's that's what I was actually telling that to people. 1:15:45.280 --> 1:15:47.520 I was like, I feel like that line was a nailing. 1:15:47.240 --> 1:15:49.320 The cuff into the whole era. Ye it was like 1:15:49.400 --> 1:15:53.000 the silky suit. That whole era was now something new. 1:15:53.160 --> 1:15:56.479 I called it the grimy nineties, grimy nineties already we're 1:15:56.560 --> 1:16:00.759 in here now and that smove early nineties eighty stuff. 1:16:01.160 --> 1:16:03.639 It's a different it's a different time. So that's why 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:05.800 I said, I don't take it personal. I never took 1:16:05.840 --> 1:16:09.120 it personal, Like unbelievable. It was one of my favorite records, 1:16:09.200 --> 1:16:11.519 to be honest with you know what I'm saying, And 1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:13.320 I've told Premierre many things. 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:15.479 I love that record. 1:16:17.400 --> 1:16:22.880 I hate that line, but but this but also what 1:16:23.040 --> 1:16:26.680 shows the respect that a lot of DJs had for me, 1:16:26.760 --> 1:16:28.679 because everywhere I went in the country, if that record 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:29.280 will play, a. 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:31.000 Lot of DJs would mute it. If I was there, 1:16:31.040 --> 1:16:35.160 they would at least be that respectful to do that. No, 1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:36.920 that was just that was just spin it back or 1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:39.000 just just mute it, or just whatever they would do. 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:42.360 And you know, I respected that and after a while 1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:45.120 be like, looky, y'all not bothering me play the damn record. 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:48.200 It's not like you put like you're going at me. 1:16:49.720 --> 1:16:53.960 So I understood that, and I understood what it really was. 1:16:54.080 --> 1:16:56.640 So I never really like, I never really took it 1:16:56.640 --> 1:16:58.240 any kind of way, you know, And I felt bad, 1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:00.280 you know, at his passing. I felt bad for his 1:17:00.520 --> 1:17:02.560 mom and his you know, his family and everything like that. 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:05.080 So I was like, nah, man, I don't. I don't 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:07.080 hold no kind of maliciousness to anybody. 1:17:07.120 --> 1:17:10.280 I definitely don't think he I don't. I mean from 1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:13.000 my I don't think he did it person. 1:17:12.840 --> 1:17:15.679 To be talk about this. I could have been anybody. 1:17:15.760 --> 1:17:17.120 I think it was a good verse on his part, 1:17:17.200 --> 1:17:18.679 like he just like this is funny. 1:17:18.760 --> 1:17:21.400 Nobody knew who I was, that line would have been 1:17:21.520 --> 1:17:25.120 trash right. If nobody brought into what I was doing 1:17:25.200 --> 1:17:28.439 and understood my impact at the time, that line would 1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:33.400 have made no sense to nobody. So I always think 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:36.400 of things that flipping into the positive first, you know, 1:17:36.520 --> 1:17:38.920 before you know, you don't go off the rails first, 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:42.000 you know, first one of the forty eight laws of power, 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:44.679 like you don't somebody say something negative, whatever, you don't 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:50.160 fly off, you know. So you know that's how I 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:50.920 always look at it. 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:53.840 It's like it is what us, but you know, as 1:17:53.880 --> 1:17:55.400 an outside of looking at it, as the inside of 1:17:55.600 --> 1:17:58.120 looking out. The two things about the Polka gass one, 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:01.839 do you actually understand the pack of the pokons? Because 1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:05.240 it's a two part question, right one, At one point 1:18:07.160 --> 1:18:10.880 one everyone wore a pok do. Pokon is for everybody, 1:18:10.880 --> 1:18:13.479 but everybody's not for poka dots exactly. Everybody did not 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:16.720 know how to pull off the right so but the 1:18:16.800 --> 1:18:19.680 thing was, it was it was a fat like no other. 1:18:19.840 --> 1:18:22.679 Like I'm telling my my son today, like we're watching 1:18:22.840 --> 1:18:25.040 your interviews and I'm like, yo, you have no idea 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:27.559 like like like like like, and then I can't even 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:30.080 use example. I'm like, yo, I'm trying to say to 1:18:30.200 --> 1:18:31.960 him the throwbacks with jay Z And then I'm looking 1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:33.760 at my son and I'm like, that's not even a 1:18:33.760 --> 1:18:34.599 good example for him. 1:18:35.760 --> 1:18:37.840 I'm just so confused. But I should give him, like 1:18:37.880 --> 1:18:39.479 the Pousche heisty man, the. 1:18:39.520 --> 1:18:43.040 Person who lived in that era, did you understand how 1:18:43.240 --> 1:18:46.800 it influential you was with your attire that because that's 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:49.439 the first time that me for me, that's the first 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:52.559 time I see people wanting to dress like a rapper. 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:53.719 You know what I'm saying. 1:18:53.760 --> 1:18:59.200 So yeah, So for me, it was everything was by circumstance. 1:18:59.640 --> 1:19:05.439 So for example, with the polka dots. You take my 1:19:05.520 --> 1:19:09.160 first album cover, you flip flipped the album cover over, 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:12.920 Boys Genans, You flip the album cover over. I have 1:19:13.040 --> 1:19:16.719 on this white shirt with black dots, of black tie 1:19:16.840 --> 1:19:19.960 with white dots, and if you could see my feet, 1:19:20.040 --> 1:19:23.320 I had on black socks with white dots, right, same outfit. 1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:26.280 When my first single was a record called The Man 1:19:26.360 --> 1:19:29.600 We All Know in Love, that same outfit is on 1:19:29.760 --> 1:19:32.040 the single cover because I shot it at the same time. 1:19:33.920 --> 1:19:38.840 My first video, that same outfit I used to look like. 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:40.719 I had on some pajamas and a scene. 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:44.439 So you take those, and that's because that was my 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:45.479 favorite outfit. I didn't have. 1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:48.040 I ain't really had on money, Like my advance were small, 1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:52.240 like I spent money on them stupid chains, so that 1:19:52.360 --> 1:19:55.080 I never ended up wearing as an artist, and so 1:19:57.640 --> 1:20:02.080 people thought that's his thing, but it wasn't. You know, 1:20:02.200 --> 1:20:03.680 I like to dress up. I used to like the 1:20:03.840 --> 1:20:06.280 certain ties and you know that GQ look, but it 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:09.559 wasn't a polka dot thing. The streak and the hair. 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:14.719 I just had a regular flat top, And six hours 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:16.760 before my first video, I was like, look, what if 1:20:16.800 --> 1:20:19.200 my record flops, what if my record don't play? What 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:21.200 if nobody knows who I am? I want people to 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:23.200 recognize me. Yo, let's throw a streak in the middle 1:20:23.200 --> 1:20:26.400 of the so you know, and cats. You know, I 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:28.560 knew cats that were had blonde streaks and all this, 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:30.000 like village cats and all that kind of stuff. 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:30.800 They was doing that stuff. 1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:32.640 So I was like, yo, let's let me throw a 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:36.000 streak up in my heir because at least they'll recognize me. 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:38.200 If anything, you know, I don't know if I got 1:20:38.280 --> 1:20:41.479 no saying if the records are hit, So I show 1:20:41.560 --> 1:20:43.479 up to the video with that on, with the poko 1:20:43.520 --> 1:20:45.360 i thing on. And then when it was time to 1:20:45.400 --> 1:20:49.240 start doing shows, every city we would hit, it'd be 1:20:49.280 --> 1:20:52.360 a pocket of kids or the whole audience looking just 1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:52.760 like that. 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:55.479 So the first show I did, I was like, Okay, 1:20:55.560 --> 1:20:56.280 somebody fucking with me. 1:20:56.360 --> 1:20:58.720 Somebody played a big plank because all these kids got 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:02.599 on dots, got streaks up in their heads looking crazy. 1:21:02.720 --> 1:21:04.679 I'm like, there is no way. 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:08.280 But then as we started hitting and it wasn't just 1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:11.080 a New York thing, it was a Pennsylvania thing, it was. 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:14.200 A Virginia thing. Yeah. Man. 1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:19.839 Then I was getting pictures and letters from Africa and US, 1:21:20.080 --> 1:21:22.479 like polka dot shirts, France and. 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:24.679 Exactly. 1:21:24.800 --> 1:21:28.639 I'm like, what Japanese kids like doing b boy posters 1:21:28.720 --> 1:21:31.639 with the polka dots and sending me letters in Japanese. 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:35.400 I can't even read it, and I'm like word. 1:21:36.080 --> 1:21:39.560 And then another Will Smith moment, Will shout out to 1:21:39.680 --> 1:21:46.479 Charlie Mack, Who's who's Charlie called me from Morocco, Africa. 1:21:47.320 --> 1:21:49.280 He was like, yo, man, we up in this party 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:51.640 and banging your records and all the kids got on 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:52.280 polka dots. 1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:55.720 I was like, and I'm sitting here in Queens Like 1:21:56.479 --> 1:21:59.240 calling me from Africa telling me this. I was like, 1:21:59.400 --> 1:22:00.280 how much is this cool? 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:04.439 This is nineteen eighty nine, Like this is not not 1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:08.080 an expended this is an expensive call. So that's when 1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:11.040 I started to understand that that impact. So I think 1:22:11.320 --> 1:22:13.120 by the time I put out my second album, A 1:22:13.200 --> 1:22:17.000 Day in the Life, we incorporated a lot of Polka 1:22:17.040 --> 1:22:20.800 dot stuff. And then it was so funny because there 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:22.920 was a record on A Day in a Life call 1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:26.640 It's Okay and on, it's okay. I literally say that's it. 1:22:27.320 --> 1:22:30.080 I'm not doing this no more, no more pokadon stuff. 1:22:31.280 --> 1:22:33.640 So back to let's take it back to the biggie thing. 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:35.080 So when he was like it's played out, I'm like, yeah, 1:22:35.080 --> 1:22:38.639 it's been playing I've been told you this like three 1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:41.080 years ago. So that's why I'm saying it's not it ain't. 1:22:41.760 --> 1:22:43.760 It ain't what it is, just just so you know, 1:22:44.280 --> 1:22:46.760 to tell you an impact. But we finally locked you 1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:49.519 in to say that we finally finally got you right. 1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:52.640 And I appreciate y'all. Let me come on, thank you 1:22:52.680 --> 1:22:53.160 for doing that. 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:55.640 I set up with a group chat and we all 1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:58.320 have a group chat and I'll say, yo, listen, everybody 1:22:58.479 --> 1:23:00.880 go try to get poka dot. So this is how 1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:04.080 ill your impact is. And I didn't realize that everywhere 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:05.120 we went it was sold out. 1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:08.599 Wow. We couldn't buy it had to take two days. Wow. 1:23:08.640 --> 1:23:10.600 Wow Wow. I just thought about that. 1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:12.439 It was like it was a message from God, because 1:23:12.439 --> 1:23:16.040 it's like it's like almost now we know you didn't 1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:21.240 of course in our community, right, like I ain't even don't, 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:24.000 but I brung it to America, right, so they got 1:23:24.080 --> 1:23:27.519 to give me that boy in our community. Of course 1:23:27.560 --> 1:23:31.400 there's pokon dots that exists in other genres, but you 1:23:32.040 --> 1:23:34.080 and it just made me. It made me turn it 1:23:34.120 --> 1:23:35.880 all into business because I was just doing that. 1:23:36.000 --> 1:23:37.920 You wanted to be funny you walk here. Yeah, yeah, 1:23:39.080 --> 1:23:43.360 it killed me, kill me. And I was like, but 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:44.360 it was literally like. 1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:47.799 I kid you not like like but everything was sold 1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:50.240 out and it was a two day order, so we 1:23:50.280 --> 1:23:51.000 were ordered. 1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:53.920 It when it came on Thursday. You know, it's a 1:23:55.760 --> 1:23:56.640 two levels to it. 1:23:57.520 --> 1:23:59.880 I wish that I had somebody in my corner when 1:23:59.880 --> 1:24:04.639 I was sixteen seventeen that told me, like, take your money. 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:06.720 The one good thing I did with my money was 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:08.800 buy equipment. You know what I'm saying, because that turned 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:12.160 me into what I ended up being later. Right, but 1:24:12.360 --> 1:24:16.760 take your money, find a way to make your own Polgoda. 1:24:16.560 --> 1:24:21.320 Shirts would have lasted oh your own version of my 1:24:21.439 --> 1:24:26.679 own line, and I would have been would have been yours. Yeah, 1:24:26.720 --> 1:24:28.720 I would have sold it. That shows I would have 1:24:28.800 --> 1:24:31.599 went up to Strawberries or Merry Go Round or whatever 1:24:31.960 --> 1:24:36.439 was selling whatever gap Yo girt like look going to 1:24:36.640 --> 1:24:40.519 going to coliseum and had my own center, or had 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:42.960 I had a stand I know it's I know it's 1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:46.120 not open no more. But that's that's my era. You know, 1:24:46.200 --> 1:24:47.679 the Colosseum, that whole block is good. 1:24:47.840 --> 1:24:52.559 Oh yes, some face tim me from now, Like I mean, 1:24:52.640 --> 1:24:55.560 I wasn't physically didn't physically fail her, like like just 1:24:55.600 --> 1:24:59.400 seeing that. Yeah, man, you know what's surviving, the beef, 1:24:59.840 --> 1:25:02.800 the the jerk chicken spot still standing strong. 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:03.600 So good about that. 1:25:04.000 --> 1:25:06.240 Ahead continued, But I'm saying I could have had that 1:25:06.520 --> 1:25:09.559 if I would have had that business acumen back then, 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:13.200 and they could have ended up getting played out, I 1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:15.200 could have I could have turned that into something else. 1:25:15.640 --> 1:25:18.320 I could have been, you know, I could be I 1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:22.120 don't know, yeah, whatever I could have. 1:25:22.120 --> 1:25:24.559 I could have been a major brand right now if 1:25:24.600 --> 1:25:26.640 I would have just started with that, you know, like 1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:28.800 how food Boo started with hats and then they turned 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:30.360 into a major brand, and I could have sold it 1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:33.080 for seven hundred seven hundred million dollars or whatever. 1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:37.719 So I wish I would have That's my only industry regret. 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:40.360 I have no other regrets but that. I wish I 1:25:40.360 --> 1:25:42.760 would have been able to figure that part out. 1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:45.120 So let me ask you again. So you talked about 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:46.760 that one time you met bigs. Did you ever see 1:25:46.800 --> 1:25:47.720 Big again after that? 1:25:48.720 --> 1:25:56.200 Or that was yeah? Yeah, like like just in like parties. Yeah, 1:25:56.400 --> 1:25:57.720 And there was no smoke after that. 1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:01.880 We just did yeah, like I was you know, I 1:26:01.920 --> 1:26:04.479 could be there and talking to puffing and just me saying, 1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:05.439 they're giving me to look like. 1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:14.400 Right now, this is something I don't I'm not I'm 1:26:14.400 --> 1:26:20.400 not positively sure I'm correct with this information. But one 1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:23.840 I feel like only You was the start of hip hop, 1:26:24.000 --> 1:26:26.720 R and B collapsed, right, I feel like that was 1:26:26.760 --> 1:26:28.880 one of the originals of hip hop or R and 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:31.280 B at least from from from from from my point 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:36.479 of view. But I also remember me hearing only You 1:26:37.400 --> 1:26:39.080 what a version without you on it? 1:26:39.360 --> 1:26:42.400 No, it's never it wasn't. So so one day ever 1:26:42.520 --> 1:26:43.320 played like in. 1:26:43.400 --> 1:26:46.000 The daytime and like trying to cut rap out because 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:48.800 I remember there was a rap like yeah, show said 1:26:48.880 --> 1:26:51.719 no rap, But I remember hearing that in the daytime 1:26:51.880 --> 1:26:52.519 with just a hook. 1:26:52.960 --> 1:26:55.160 If you heard that, I don't know anything about that, okay, 1:26:55.640 --> 1:26:58.240 So so for people that don't know, a lot of 1:26:58.360 --> 1:27:01.920 radio stations across this country have what they call a 1:27:02.040 --> 1:27:06.599 no wrap work day six A. You know, they called 1:27:06.640 --> 1:27:08.320 it rap rap crap, Yeah. 1:27:08.360 --> 1:27:11.120 Don't we not playing that rap crap rap crack if 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:14.000 you don't want to hear that rap trap? Yeah during work, 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:20.320 so terrible, terrible, Yeah, we are not playing rap. So 1:27:20.439 --> 1:27:22.840 from six crap Yeah, that rap crap. 1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:27.439 Don't forget the crap. Somebody Grandpap's made that one up. 1:27:29.320 --> 1:27:30.480 So from six am. 1:27:32.040 --> 1:27:36.160 To six pm in some places, seven thirty in some places, 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:38.280 and nine pm in a place, you're not hearing no rap. 1:27:39.479 --> 1:27:42.559 So two things happen with only you. One. I wanted 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:45.040 the bag Vanessa Williams. You want how to be your 1:27:45.040 --> 1:27:45.479 sugar mom. 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:49.360 I want her to be my mama, Mama, mama she was. 1:27:49.360 --> 1:27:50.800 I didn't know how, I didn't know how I was 1:27:50.840 --> 1:27:52.680 gonna do it, but I was gonna try to back. 1:27:54.640 --> 1:27:57.240 And so I wanted to make a record where she 1:27:57.479 --> 1:27:59.600 sang it and I featured. So I figured that the 1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:01.680 record It's Hot, and I featured. I meet her at 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:03.439 the video and she would say, you don't got to 1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:04.920 go back to Queens, you can just come back with me. 1:28:05.040 --> 1:28:05.800 I'd be like, I bet. 1:28:06.520 --> 1:28:08.880 So that's the mind of a seventeen year old, So 1:28:08.960 --> 1:28:09.960 I'm making on you for that. 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:13.120 I didn't make the album, so I was like all right, 1:28:13.360 --> 1:28:17.200 let me just I'm gonna make it for myself and maybe, 1:28:19.400 --> 1:28:21.720 just maybe I can get a six o'clock in the 1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:22.360 morning play. 1:28:24.000 --> 1:28:26.240 I can get that daytime play. Wait, hold on talking 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:27.719 about six o'clock in the morning. 1:28:27.840 --> 1:28:30.120 Was the ship, yeah, because you wake up and people 1:28:30.120 --> 1:28:33.240 were driving to work that drive time. The morning shows 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:36.720 at this time not really, not really, no, I think 1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:38.840 about it now. It was just somebody playing, you know whatever, 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:42.439 whoever the DJ was. The only people that have morning 1:28:42.439 --> 1:28:45.479 shows are like the white station's like don Imus and yeah, 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:49.080 I like Donad's and Stern. I was staying on things 1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:53.000 like that. It was never a black He's the racist dude, right, yeah, yeah, 1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:54.439 I didn't. 1:28:54.280 --> 1:29:04.560 Think he's a man. So he called the girl. We remember. 1:29:06.720 --> 1:29:10.320 We walk around these tight cowboy pants and looking crazy. 1:29:12.000 --> 1:29:14.000 So I wanted to hear my record at six o'clock 1:29:14.000 --> 1:29:16.120 in the morning, like you know, any other artists would. 1:29:16.640 --> 1:29:18.400 And I think at the time, I'm not gonna call 1:29:18.479 --> 1:29:22.160 myself I invented it, but I helped push it because 1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:26.800 you had some heavy D records, probably playing some like 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:32.640 Salt Pepper, Express Yourself, like those type of records they 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:33.599 might have been playing. 1:29:34.080 --> 1:29:37.400 But I wanted a record that was equal R and B, 1:29:38.080 --> 1:29:38.960 equal hip hop. 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:42.320 It could play in the club, it could play in 1:29:42.360 --> 1:29:46.040 the radio, and people it's not soft like if you 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:48.320 listen to the owner, you beat, that's not a soft beat, 1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:50.120 you know what I'm saying. Like, I always try to 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:52.519 go hard, like no matter what I'm you know what 1:29:52.680 --> 1:29:55.479 the beat is, I'm trying to give you know, give 1:29:55.520 --> 1:30:00.880 you some grit to it. So so I was able 1:30:00.960 --> 1:30:05.840 to achieve all of that. And but the wild thing is. 1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:09.439 I started to learn that the record labels was in 1:30:09.520 --> 1:30:13.120 cahoops with the records the radio stations on some no 1:30:13.320 --> 1:30:14.040 wrap stuff. 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:18.680 Because I slid through the cracks with that one. But 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:24.280 then my label, Atlantic Records started to now separate the rappers. 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:25.840 We wasn't just on. 1:30:26.080 --> 1:30:29.960 Atlantic Records no more. They had to put a label 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:32.799 on all rap records and they called it Atlantic Street. 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:37.519 No, No, the title of the label was they they 1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:38.679 took all the rap. 1:30:38.520 --> 1:30:42.200 Records off of Atlantic and put them on a label 1:30:42.240 --> 1:30:43.360 called Atlantic Street. 1:30:43.640 --> 1:30:47.519 This is what they were saying. Yeah, so they were stickers. 1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:53.000 Yeah, So they was put these stickers on the record 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:57.040 that said Street on it, and it had like some 1:30:57.240 --> 1:31:00.600 corny dude doing like some weird, great dance move and 1:31:00.720 --> 1:31:04.240 so when the program directors will get these records, it 1:31:04.360 --> 1:31:06.080 was the signal, all right, this is what we don't 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:09.080 play during the day. We'll just give it to the 1:31:09.120 --> 1:31:13.479 mix shows. But I'm like, yo, why are the labels 1:31:13.479 --> 1:31:15.400 even down with something like that? Y'all supposed to be 1:31:15.439 --> 1:31:17.640 trying to push this thing forward. So you know that 1:31:17.800 --> 1:31:21.559 was just my contribution to try to crack open that door, 1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:23.720 and which you did, so you know, you know I'll 1:31:23.760 --> 1:31:25.000 give I'll give credit to that. 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:29.240 Right, So let me ask you a question right right now, 1:31:29.280 --> 1:31:33.960 they just announced that you know, Bad Bunny is hosting 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:39.360 or the Super Bowl commercial Bad Bunny. Uh, this genre 1:31:39.400 --> 1:31:42.880 of music that comes from reggae, reggae for that part 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:45.760 or that portion of it comes from that part of 1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:48.400 hip hop. Even know reggae it's probably even lasts as 1:31:48.439 --> 1:31:52.080 long as hip hop or just as long. So I 1:31:52.160 --> 1:31:53.880 want to ask you a biggie line. Did you ever 1:31:53.960 --> 1:31:55.360 think that hip hop would make it this far? 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:59.920 Yeah, you had this vision When I was a kid. 1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:05.080 I used to tell my friends, we're gonna get hip 1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:11.800 hop from other countries. We're gonna get hip hop from 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:15.000 and so if it hasn't happened yet, because I'm still 1:32:15.000 --> 1:32:18.040 waiting for the hip hop record that super blows Up. 1:32:18.400 --> 1:32:21.360 That's just that everybody knows that isn't in English. 1:32:22.080 --> 1:32:25.320 Oh well that's bad Bunny. Yeah, but he means like more. 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:27.400 You mean like more main like hip hop, like hip 1:32:27.439 --> 1:32:31.240 hop hip hop, because Bad Bunny, you different genre. 1:32:33.000 --> 1:32:41.360 Adopted hip hop baby Yeah yeah yeah, so so that 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:42.320 might come from Asia. 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:44.680 Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because you're doing with K 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:48.519 pop now, Yeah, you do. You go to a K 1:32:48.680 --> 1:32:52.200 pop show? See dude, I said k pop? You don't 1:32:52.200 --> 1:32:53.479 remember you said it? Did it on a show? 1:32:54.040 --> 1:32:54.519 My daughter? 1:32:54.640 --> 1:32:57.639 Right now? Is all all about the K pop demon Hunters. 1:32:57.880 --> 1:33:00.120 Yeah yeah yeah man, it's like and they can a 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:04.240 new ads, a cartoon. It's like a big kid cartoon. 1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:10.000 It was crazy going on. Yeah no, no, you K 1:33:10.160 --> 1:33:12.520 pop like where I live in where I live in California. 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:18.800 It sounds weird, but it's predominantly Korean and Chinese in 1:33:18.920 --> 1:33:22.040 my area. So every mall I go to, and it 1:33:22.120 --> 1:33:23.840 doesn't have to be my area. Every moll I go 1:33:23.960 --> 1:33:26.280 to every is what they call it's a store called 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:29.800 K pop station, and every mall has like three of 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:33.360 them joints in there and they packed like that that 1:33:33.920 --> 1:33:38.160 culture on our culture is real, Like it's some real stuff. 1:33:38.400 --> 1:33:40.320 I just feel like they may switch their groups out 1:33:41.000 --> 1:33:44.479 every of a week. It's like a whole new versus 1:33:44.600 --> 1:33:46.720 bt S and then it's like I don't know X 1:33:46.840 --> 1:33:47.880 y Z and I'm like. 1:33:48.000 --> 1:33:51.439 What he's got? But I influenced heavily. Yeah yeah, no, no, no. 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:53.880 If you listen to like A or like the boy 1:33:54.000 --> 1:33:56.639 band stuff, like, it's very yeah, it's very very. 1:33:58.120 --> 1:34:02.439 Thousands vibe and they keep they know that aesthetic, they 1:34:02.560 --> 1:34:06.040 know that similarity, and they know what that vibe. There's 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:08.720 like this girl k K pop rap group. I'm trying 1:34:08.760 --> 1:34:11.000 to remember the name, but like I see it on 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:14.880 TikTok all the time of your girls spitting like straight 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:18.320 spitting in English. But I don't think they know English. 1:34:18.400 --> 1:34:20.240 That's the weird thing. And they got they got it down. 1:34:20.320 --> 1:34:22.519 I'm like, yo, this, I gotta find I gotta find 1:34:22.560 --> 1:34:27.120 the name of that group. But but I think that. 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:34.080 It definitely the hip hop vibe has definitely gone further 1:34:34.200 --> 1:34:38.560 than what I what I imagine. And I love the 1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:42.360 fact that Bad Bunny is doing the super Bowl because 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:48.200 you think about it any kind of Latin representation in 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:53.120 the Super Bowl has either been j low right, Glorious, Stefan, 1:34:54.160 --> 1:34:54.599 who else? 1:34:55.760 --> 1:35:00.880 Would you count Shakira for sure? So you that's it. 1:35:01.000 --> 1:35:04.360 That's all I can remember. Probably you know, Manula was 1:35:04.400 --> 1:35:06.960 in the eighties. I don't know they they never did 1:35:07.000 --> 1:35:09.600 that Super Bowl. But but. 1:35:11.720 --> 1:35:13.639 Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't watch football. 1:35:13.800 --> 1:35:15.880 I call it foosball. I don't watch football like that. 1:35:16.479 --> 1:35:20.880 But correct me if I'm wrong. Every time, every time 1:35:21.640 --> 1:35:25.840 they've gone on the Super Bowl, maybe minus Glorious stuff, 1:35:27.320 --> 1:35:30.640 it's always been like a double up, like you got 1:35:30.800 --> 1:35:33.760 to bring them out or like one comes out and 1:35:33.840 --> 1:35:35.680 then like j Lo comes out, but she got to 1:35:35.680 --> 1:35:36.439 bring out Hero. 1:35:36.960 --> 1:35:39.320 You know. It's like it's never like somebody on there 1:35:39.880 --> 1:35:42.880 like doing doing the only one that I can even 1:35:42.960 --> 1:35:48.600 remember by himself like that. But could you bring out Drake? No, no, 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:53.599 Kause you did it? Yeah, I don't remember d Yeah, 1:35:53.760 --> 1:35:54.800 Dre brought out kenderd But. 1:35:56.720 --> 1:35:59.479 Okay, but they had the record together, so she just 1:35:59.520 --> 1:36:00.320 did the hook on the right. 1:36:00.360 --> 1:36:02.720 But I mean yeah, but as his totality, it was 1:36:02.800 --> 1:36:06.519 like basically just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:36:06.560 --> 1:36:10.120 And Samuel Jackson and Serena Williams. But but what I'm 1:36:10.160 --> 1:36:14.760 saying is for bad Bunny to be able to have 1:36:14.920 --> 1:36:17.479 it for him. Now, if he decides to bring people out, 1:36:17.520 --> 1:36:18.040 that's on him. 1:36:18.400 --> 1:36:21.479 But it's not. It's not an advertised adveratis. This is 1:36:21.600 --> 1:36:22.800 just him. Yeah, And. 1:36:26.080 --> 1:36:30.479 People, I'm going to just be a little bit knowledge 1:36:30.520 --> 1:36:33.439 dropping real quick. People's got to people have to understand something. 1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:37.160 Let's take it back to slavery. Let's take it just 1:36:37.280 --> 1:36:39.720 back to what's supposed to be black and not black, 1:36:39.760 --> 1:36:45.600 and this, that and the third. When the enslaved Africans 1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:49.920 came over here about astually, how much percent do you 1:36:50.080 --> 1:36:53.759 think came to the United States area this part of America? 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:58.040 If you could guess the percentage of total enslaved people 1:36:58.120 --> 1:37:06.120 that came to the United States, thirty say thirty take 1:37:06.120 --> 1:37:06.439 your guess. 1:37:08.960 --> 1:37:09.120 Five. 1:37:10.120 --> 1:37:15.000 Wow, look at up, five percent of us came here. 1:37:16.000 --> 1:37:19.400 So the other ninety five percent Latin America, Latin America, 1:37:19.520 --> 1:37:20.080 Caribbean and. 1:37:20.080 --> 1:37:25.400 The Caribbean Brazil holds their highest amount of numbers of 1:37:25.640 --> 1:37:27.760 enslaved Africans that come here. 1:37:28.400 --> 1:37:32.000 So everywhere down. 1:37:34.160 --> 1:37:37.840 The African DNA is within all of us, you know, 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:41.120 and then the colonizers DNA and and and and the 1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:46.800 native DNA. So I'm never gonna look at anybody from 1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:51.720 this side of the world funny style for doing their 1:37:51.960 --> 1:37:54.479 version of hip hop and taking their version of hip 1:37:54.479 --> 1:37:58.760 hop to another level, because we're all doing what we're 1:37:58.840 --> 1:38:02.240 So that's are that's our generational music. 1:38:03.120 --> 1:38:05.080 We may not know what, we may not understand it. 1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:07.160 We may think we're pulling from this, that and the third, 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:12.719 but we're pulling from a DNA strand that's that's longer 1:38:12.760 --> 1:38:13.320 than any of. 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:14.120 Us can think of. 1:38:14.840 --> 1:38:17.400 And we're all putting our own stamp on it and 1:38:17.600 --> 1:38:22.160 changing it and adding to it, and whatever else you 1:38:22.360 --> 1:38:26.280 get from around the world is based on our influence 1:38:26.400 --> 1:38:28.960 that we have on around the world, you know. 1:38:29.160 --> 1:38:31.720 And so, like I said back to bad Bunny, you're like, yo, 1:38:31.840 --> 1:38:35.320 let's rock. Okay, you from this side of the world, 1:38:35.400 --> 1:38:38.160 and you're doing your thing, and and it's based in 1:38:38.920 --> 1:38:42.200 what we all do in love rock. Get on that 1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:42.920 stage and kill it. 1:38:43.000 --> 1:38:44.759 And I love the fact that all of his songs 1:38:45.680 --> 1:38:49.400 has very little English as possible exactly. 1:38:49.640 --> 1:38:49.800 Yeah. 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:54.759 Yeah. Apple is introducing their new I like their translation translation. 1:38:57.400 --> 1:39:01.240 I'm saying genius that they're the sponsor, and then they're introduced. 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:05.000 He'll still be singing and Spanish. Wait wait, wait, how's 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:07.160 this gonna work. He's gonna be on stage. 1:39:07.400 --> 1:39:10.679 They got Google goggles right now, they got a person 1:39:10.760 --> 1:39:12.280 could speak to you Google goggles. 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:15.800 I mean, you know, they got the translations. What was 1:39:15.840 --> 1:39:17.120 his name? Show Speed. 1:39:17.439 --> 1:39:19.720 I see him in China and as the lady was 1:39:19.760 --> 1:39:21.320 talking to him, he puts on the glasses. 1:39:21.439 --> 1:39:22.519 Yeah, and it translates. You know. 1:39:22.640 --> 1:39:25.439 Let me tell yourself, the ladies, I'm gonna speak to 1:39:25.479 --> 1:39:28.600 all the ladies. Y'all get your nails done at the 1:39:28.720 --> 1:39:31.880 at the Korean nail spots. And you hear them talking. 1:39:31.960 --> 1:39:32.800 You want to know what's going on. 1:39:32.960 --> 1:39:35.400 Just get the glasses, get the translators, and just sit 1:39:35.600 --> 1:39:40.880 sit back. Oh listen, bro, it's crazy. We're talking about 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:44.160 this today. Homie and Mike. He called me accidentally on 1:39:44.240 --> 1:39:44.920 his phone. Yeah. 1:39:45.560 --> 1:39:47.360 I never even knew that there was an app for 1:39:47.439 --> 1:39:49.040 this or whatever the fuck he has on his phone. 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:53.320 He's mumbling, he's talking, but he's he called me by accident. Yeah, 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:55.960 so he's not talking to me. He's talking somewhere and 1:39:56.080 --> 1:40:00.519 I hear come with look and I'm like, the fuck. 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:03.200 I hear him talking in English? Yeah, in the background 1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:06.639 and there's a translator talking to me. Oh but okay, see, 1:40:06.640 --> 1:40:09.559 okay go and some cans, yeah forget, what the fuck 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:11.400 I go? I was like, yo, what you gotta. 1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:13.080 Trans He said, yoh yeah, I have the translator app. 1:40:13.160 --> 1:40:15.120 When I called Puerto Rico, I don't speak Spanish, so 1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:16.879 I called and I use the translator. 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:18.200 Yeah. I do it all the time. I know that 1:40:18.240 --> 1:40:19.559 shit existed. I do it all the time. 1:40:19.640 --> 1:40:23.679 That my guy that fixes my computers and stuff, he's 1:40:23.720 --> 1:40:25.759 from China, he don't know no English. 1:40:26.560 --> 1:40:28.360 I walk in with Google Translate. 1:40:28.479 --> 1:40:30.240 I say I need this hard drip blah blah blah, 1:40:30.240 --> 1:40:32.040 and I just show him, show him the words or 1:40:32.120 --> 1:40:33.000 sometimes they'll say it. 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:35.360 But before I did that, I didn't know. 1:40:35.680 --> 1:40:38.280 And you know, like I think, especially black people, we 1:40:39.240 --> 1:40:41.360 think that somebody's always talking about us when he hears 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:42.200 something in another language. 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:45.720 Are they talking about us sometimes? But they might not be. 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:47.400 So I just wanted to test that out. 1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:49.880 I'm getting my hard drive fixed and the guys from 1:40:49.960 --> 1:40:52.160 China and they't chopping it up, and I'm like, oh, 1:40:52.200 --> 1:40:53.160 I know they talking about me. 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:56.320 I put that Google Translate on and he was like, yeah, 1:40:56.439 --> 1:41:02.479 my sister's a whore. Shit. I was like, you don't 1:41:02.520 --> 1:41:06.040 under sound. I gotta talk some personal my sister. Man 1:41:06.160 --> 1:41:10.439 she came yo, man, I was, he was. He was 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:12.600 going in on the system. The sister came in in 1:41:12.680 --> 1:41:14.559 the middle of the night. He knows she was smashing 1:41:14.600 --> 1:41:18.439 the dude next door. I was like, yeah, so you 1:41:18.520 --> 1:41:20.799 know it's I think if you don't get. 1:41:20.640 --> 1:41:22.880 The Google Glasses of the Apple thing, at least get 1:41:22.920 --> 1:41:25.920 Google Translate on your phone, go into a space that 1:41:26.000 --> 1:41:28.000 you're not familiar with and just turn it on. 1:41:28.520 --> 1:41:30.519 You'll be surprised that what you you might hear somebody 1:41:30.560 --> 1:41:32.519 going in on you. You might not, but we need 1:41:32.600 --> 1:41:39.599 that formis to lead. When he announced this thing, hold 1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:40.920 on Flowers. 1:41:40.800 --> 1:41:43.760 Well, you know our show was about giving people they 1:41:43.840 --> 1:41:46.200 flowers while they could smell them. Yes, they thought what 1:41:46.320 --> 1:41:48.639 they could tell them, They thought what they can think 1:41:48.680 --> 1:41:49.960 of them. And he drinks while they. 1:41:49.920 --> 1:41:52.439 Can drink them, and this smoke while you can yes, 1:41:53.240 --> 1:42:00.280 and the smoke while you can't help that Snoop. Snoop said, 1:42:00.280 --> 1:42:02.200 it's better than the Grammy because it comes for your people. 1:42:02.320 --> 1:42:04.920 You see your watch, that's a beautiful watch me, Oh 1:42:05.000 --> 1:42:07.680 my god. The piano watch. Piano watch that's fine. I 1:42:07.720 --> 1:42:11.760 don't know what time it is. No, y'all people, y'all 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:15.840 gonna be substitute drinkers, drinkers. Yes, what's happening. We're gonna 1:42:15.840 --> 1:42:16.599 play the drinking game. 1:42:16.680 --> 1:42:19.960 Yeah, but there no first they're going I'm not want 1:42:20.000 --> 1:42:21.360 to I want one hundred percent. 1:42:21.439 --> 1:42:22.000 Thank you for that. 1:42:22.120 --> 1:42:24.320 I never I never received the grammy, so I'm not 1:42:24.400 --> 1:42:27.320 even changing, but I appreciate you. 1:42:27.600 --> 1:42:29.920 How this is going one hundred percent on the wall 1:42:31.280 --> 1:42:35.680 so close to him like that, man, come on, he's 1:42:35.680 --> 1:42:38.519 gonna be a drinker. Okay, okay, So we're gonna play 1:42:38.560 --> 1:42:47.640 that game. Yeah, yes, yes, god, guy, let's go. Let's go, 1:42:50.960 --> 1:42:57.320 my man. Oh yeah, sat game. So that's that's my boy. 1:42:57.400 --> 1:42:59.840 That that he said he went to gold up. Man 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:11.000 it up with your brother. Yeah yeah, the government. Well 1:43:12.840 --> 1:43:15.800 that's good, it's good. You know, I don't know, I 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:17.600 don't know if you know. Names no longer with us, 1:43:17.680 --> 1:43:24.680 but you know, man, that my brother. Yeah yeah, did 1:43:24.720 --> 1:43:27.719 you know that? Yeah, I'm almost of the roofs. 1:43:28.200 --> 1:43:30.360 Well, I mean, he's not gonna have to drink, so yeah, 1:43:30.840 --> 1:43:32.880 but you have to just need a drink. This is 1:43:32.960 --> 1:43:36.400 this is our drinking game. We're gonna give you two choices. Yeah, 1:43:36.760 --> 1:43:40.840 if you pick one, nobody drinks. If you can't pick 1:43:40.920 --> 1:43:43.240 like you you say both, you say neither of them. 1:43:43.920 --> 1:43:47.160 We all drink. Well, you don't drink your this is 1:43:47.200 --> 1:43:53.519 you right there? Nor is good? Doesn't drink over? Can 1:43:53.560 --> 1:43:57.240 you hold it? Man? I don't, but hold on? What 1:43:57.320 --> 1:44:01.760 are you drinking? And can you drinking all the wrong ship? Alright? Cool? Cool, 1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:03.920 You explained a lot better than that. 1:44:04.720 --> 1:44:08.160 But the main thing about this game is whatever we're 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:09.760 bringing up things that we just want you to bring up, 1:44:09.800 --> 1:44:12.720 any story, anything that you know encourages you to bring 1:44:12.800 --> 1:44:13.600 up a story or. 1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:17.519 Or mention something about something you know. So you ready, yep, 1:44:18.320 --> 1:44:28.479 NAS or l L. Nothing nothing against NADS. But I 1:44:28.520 --> 1:44:30.160 gotta go with l L for for. 1:44:32.760 --> 1:44:37.920 A lot of reasons because NAS NAS took the queen ship, 1:44:38.800 --> 1:44:44.519 yes into orbit or out of orbit. For l L 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:47.400 put that queen ship into orbit. Starts between L and 1:44:49.000 --> 1:44:51.719 so I got I always got it. Like my first 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:54.280 the first time I ever saw l LL, I was 1:44:54.320 --> 1:44:57.959 in high school. I was cutting class and my schools 1:44:59.160 --> 1:45:02.840 around the corner from Fifth Avenue and that diamond shop 1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:05.719 Van Cleef and Arpels. Like anybody go to Van cleefand 1:45:05.760 --> 1:45:08.559 all pells you spending money. It ain't it ain't nothing. 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:11.840 It ain't Canal Street Diamonds. That's some other ship. So 1:45:11.960 --> 1:45:14.400 I'm stilling. Yep, I'm standing in front of Van Cleef 1:45:14.479 --> 1:45:17.599 and ll pels me and my boys, and this red 1:45:17.640 --> 1:45:20.240 audi pulls up like it was in slow motion like 1:45:20.320 --> 1:45:23.160 in a movie. Then the doors open up like in 1:45:23.240 --> 1:45:26.320 a movie, and then all the sweed smoke comes out. 1:45:27.200 --> 1:45:30.559 And then first it was E Love, el El's boy 1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:33.479 that he came out one side was like shit, e Love, 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:36.280 and then slowly came out the driver. 1:45:36.439 --> 1:45:41.280 See it comes l big chains and everything, and we're 1:45:41.320 --> 1:45:44.479 standing there like kids, like oh shit, and you know 1:45:44.560 --> 1:45:46.360 he gives up. They're like what up, little dudes, And 1:45:46.439 --> 1:45:48.880 it just goes into the vanklet and I was like, yo, 1:45:50.080 --> 1:45:54.280 that ship is a rap star. That is a star. 1:45:54.520 --> 1:45:59.400 This is this is I need love LLL. I'm bad L. 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:03.479 You know you see that pull up. You're not gonna 1:46:03.640 --> 1:46:06.600 you know, na, this is another level. But LL is 1:46:06.640 --> 1:46:12.200 that first? Like superstarted from Queens. Yeah yeah, wait, you're 1:46:12.200 --> 1:46:19.560 not supposed to drink. No drink anyways, he volunteered for 1:46:19.640 --> 1:46:26.760 the job or lost Boys. Oh man, Queens Queens Queens 1:46:26.800 --> 1:46:32.320 Queens Queens. So Frederie used to be my barber. I 1:46:32.600 --> 1:46:35.040 heard that and he had dreads back then. Yep, your 1:46:35.080 --> 1:46:37.640 barber when you had the Heights of Faide FREDROI was 1:46:37.720 --> 1:46:43.840 my barber. Sticky was in school with me, freaky tief. 1:46:43.840 --> 1:46:47.360 I'm not mistaken piece live right because I used to 1:46:47.400 --> 1:46:48.800 live in the South Side too. Oh wow. 1:46:49.200 --> 1:46:52.080 I moved around a lot, so I think ty. I 1:46:52.160 --> 1:46:55.719 used to live right behind Baisley, so I think Holly 1:46:56.000 --> 1:46:57.320 close to me. I would see him all the time. 1:46:58.439 --> 1:47:01.360 Me and mister Cheeks have the same day, wow, on 1:47:01.479 --> 1:47:04.719 the same year. So y'all gonna have to drink Okay. 1:47:04.600 --> 1:47:08.240 Yeah, yeah, that's cheers. Knew I knew that. I knew 1:47:08.240 --> 1:47:11.040 that was going get me describing both of you. I can't, 1:47:11.040 --> 1:47:13.760 I can't do it, okay, beating nuts so kidn't play? 1:47:16.360 --> 1:47:19.040 How are you gonna put them to again? These guys? 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:22.280 That makes the questions the Colombian and Dominican. It's the 1:47:22.320 --> 1:47:23.400 cocaine section over there. 1:47:26.760 --> 1:47:28.920 Well, first of all, I gotta I have to put 1:47:29.000 --> 1:47:30.360 it to kids and play. 1:47:30.400 --> 1:47:32.960 They're they're like my my o gs, you know, like 1:47:33.080 --> 1:47:35.760 I meet betnuts after the fact, and I love all 1:47:35.800 --> 1:47:38.760 the beat nuts suff shouts the least juju. I love 1:47:38.840 --> 1:47:43.800 that stuff. But if it weren't for Kidd and play A, 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:45.760 I wouldn't have been on that n w A tour 1:47:45.840 --> 1:47:47.519 because they were on the tour first. And it's like, well, 1:47:47.520 --> 1:47:48.640 you gotta bring kwalm. 1:47:52.680 --> 1:47:52.800 Uh. 1:47:53.360 --> 1:47:57.360 The first film I was in, well, the only film 1:47:57.400 --> 1:47:59.679 I was in was this movie called Class Act. 1:48:00.360 --> 1:48:03.559 Yeah, and I had a. 1:48:05.040 --> 1:48:07.320 I was supposed to be one of the lead parts 1:48:07.360 --> 1:48:09.320 in the in the film, but then I got beat 1:48:09.320 --> 1:48:11.240 out by this guy, by the comedian. 1:48:10.920 --> 1:48:15.120 Dougie d Dougie Dougie Dog Dougie doug But I still. 1:48:14.960 --> 1:48:16.880 They still, you know, they insisted that I at least 1:48:16.880 --> 1:48:19.800 have a part in the movie, so I got given 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:20.559 to the Kid and play Man. 1:48:20.560 --> 1:48:23.280 Those are my Those are like my big brothers. Speak 1:48:23.320 --> 1:48:26.320 to them almost every day. So it's like, yeah, shout 1:48:26.360 --> 1:48:28.960 out to them, shout out to both, but shout outs. 1:48:28.840 --> 1:48:32.680 To be nuts for sure, for sure, Eric B or 1:48:32.760 --> 1:48:45.960 Coogie or Garry being rock Kim DJs for Oho, oh man, we'll. 1:48:45.840 --> 1:48:48.960 Give you a story. Yes please, that's why we do this. 1:48:50.120 --> 1:48:54.519 DJ Polo knocks on my door, open the door, said, 1:48:54.520 --> 1:48:57.320 I got my friend with me. We're gonna hang out. 1:48:57.760 --> 1:49:00.600 So incomes and let's see if you know who this 1:49:00.680 --> 1:49:04.559 guy is. So in comes through my door. Ron Jeremy, 1:49:05.560 --> 1:49:11.320 the porn guy. I just saw something about he's an 1:49:11.360 --> 1:49:16.599 extraded So Jeremy Jeremy walks into my house with DJ Polo. 1:49:16.800 --> 1:49:19.599 I did not put this together. This is the weird 1:49:19.640 --> 1:49:22.479 sh and he was like, yo, you want to hang out? 1:49:23.080 --> 1:49:27.200 And I was like, hang out? Where ware y'are two going? 1:49:27.720 --> 1:49:30.519 He said, you already knew who Ron Jeremy was. Yeah, 1:49:31.160 --> 1:49:35.360 who didn't know Ron from the nineties. I mean, Sonny 1:49:35.400 --> 1:49:36.360 definitely knew who he was. 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:40.000 I would have pulled up and didn't even saying like 1:49:40.080 --> 1:49:41.679 this is you said, I would have pulled out. 1:49:41.760 --> 1:49:47.960 I would have pulled up wherever where we're run going, 1:49:48.160 --> 1:49:48.920 you're pulling out. 1:49:50.000 --> 1:49:52.120 So he was, and he was like, Paulo was like 1:49:52.479 --> 1:49:56.200 recipes in my bro Polo. Paulo was like, here's my boy, Ronnie. 1:49:56.200 --> 1:49:58.160 We're about to go out, and I'm like, all right, Ronnie. 1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:01.479 So we get in the car are and we started 1:50:01.479 --> 1:50:04.280 going to party after party, and every party we went 1:50:04.320 --> 1:50:05.080 to it. 1:50:05.200 --> 1:50:09.840 Was like the porno Hall of Fame. Man, and I'm 1:50:09.880 --> 1:50:13.640 just sitting there like, oh, that's homegirl, that's homegirl, and 1:50:14.000 --> 1:50:16.280 like we were just going to like the wildest one 1:50:16.320 --> 1:50:24.000 stars I personally, but you yourself. We didn't say. 1:50:31.080 --> 1:50:35.720 And if y'all knowing Jeremy was, you don't know what 1:50:35.840 --> 1:50:39.840 he did? Yes, I need to look that party and 1:50:39.920 --> 1:50:46.200 y'all still know who he was at Yeah, hey lady soe, 1:50:46.880 --> 1:50:49.400 So then you know we it was just a wild night. 1:50:49.760 --> 1:50:53.680 But Polo was that type of guy that he was 1:50:53.760 --> 1:50:55.800 just he was just a funny guy. 1:50:56.000 --> 1:50:57.559 Man. It was just a cool guy to hang out. 1:50:59.160 --> 1:51:02.280 He on the other and he's just like mass serious 1:51:02.400 --> 1:51:07.080 man likes you don't if you don't know Eric, you 1:51:07.160 --> 1:51:08.360 don't know what you're about to get. 1:51:09.240 --> 1:51:12.639 And the crew around Eric, you know, if you don't 1:51:12.680 --> 1:51:16.160 know these guys, it's like, you know, it might be 1:51:16.840 --> 1:51:17.679 snakes on a plane. 1:51:17.720 --> 1:51:21.479 You don't know what's gonna happen. So y'all gonna have 1:51:21.479 --> 1:51:28.160 to take a drink because Okay, now rock him or 1:51:28.240 --> 1:51:33.599 Coolgie Rap? Couldie Rapp? Okay said that fast? Okay, Well 1:51:33.640 --> 1:51:38.080 I bet you rob him? Even say Coolie Rap? Pretty sure? Okay, 1:51:38.280 --> 1:51:40.599 pretty sure? Because g Rap. 1:51:43.479 --> 1:51:48.320 I think g Rapp is probably, if not the greatest 1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:53.920 rapper I've ever heard, one of the top three ever ever, 1:51:54.640 --> 1:51:58.400 like ever, ever, ever, ever, Like I remember you probably 1:51:58.400 --> 1:51:59.920 remember the United States of America. 1:52:00.120 --> 1:52:02.439 We'll say this roller Rink and queens, and I remember 1:52:02.520 --> 1:52:02.840 going to. 1:52:04.720 --> 1:52:08.519 I remember because he's from around my wife, so you know, 1:52:08.880 --> 1:52:10.519 we all know the same people and all this stuff. 1:52:10.520 --> 1:52:13.840 And I remember she was performing. He had a record out, 1:52:15.280 --> 1:52:19.880 I'm Fly and it's a demo. It's a demo. Changed 1:52:19.960 --> 1:52:21.160 my life, those two records. 1:52:22.040 --> 1:52:26.200 So if anybody doesn't know about USA roller Rink, that's 1:52:26.240 --> 1:52:29.479 where I got my start. Me master A's father mc 1:52:29.680 --> 1:52:32.920 s we got our start there, like on rap battles 1:52:32.960 --> 1:52:36.160 and contests and all those kinds of queens. 1:52:36.240 --> 1:52:37.880 Yeah, now from. 1:52:39.280 --> 1:52:46.040 Just so, but every Sunday night, anybody would perform there, 1:52:46.160 --> 1:52:52.439 like anybody one DMC madonna New Edition. Could you wrap 1:52:52.600 --> 1:52:56.160 DJ Polo, every brack can Every Sunday night, you catching 1:52:56.240 --> 1:52:59.840 somebody if you're able to survive that Sunday night, because 1:52:59.840 --> 1:53:02.200 it was all survival in there, you you might not 1:53:02.280 --> 1:53:02.880 make it out. 1:53:03.000 --> 1:53:06.479 A lot of cocaine, a lot of bullets, a lot 1:53:06.520 --> 1:53:07.559 of a lot of knives. 1:53:08.840 --> 1:53:11.200 Don't let don't let like that, crew ball Busters, Crew 1:53:11.280 --> 1:53:13.639 come through with the zoo will be there like there's 1:53:13.720 --> 1:53:15.559 some other other ship. 1:53:16.439 --> 1:53:19.880 So ball it was a crew called the ball Bus. 1:53:23.040 --> 1:53:26.400 I was just playing it was the name of the crew. 1:53:28.400 --> 1:53:32.840 So back then they wasn't thinking it wasn't on our 1:53:32.880 --> 1:53:36.280 wave plane. Yeah, there was no pauses. They were they're 1:53:36.280 --> 1:53:39.320 coming with the ball buses. Pause, boy, change the name. 1:53:45.080 --> 1:53:49.320 So so you have she gets on stage. 1:53:49.520 --> 1:53:52.280 Before she gets on safe, all these girls are around, 1:53:52.640 --> 1:53:54.639 and I remember hearing these girls from around the way. 1:53:54.640 --> 1:53:57.120 He was like, I don't know who he think he is. 1:53:57.760 --> 1:53:59.280 Used to call him Abdual Back then, I don't know 1:53:59.479 --> 1:54:00.439 abdu think he is. 1:54:01.520 --> 1:54:01.840 He ain't. 1:54:02.280 --> 1:54:05.120 He ain't even that fly. I would never don't. I 1:54:05.160 --> 1:54:06.840 don't know. I don't I ain't even working with him. 1:54:07.680 --> 1:54:09.720 So he gets on stage and had on his leather 1:54:10.520 --> 1:54:16.040 leather suit and he starts doing I'm Fly and he's rhyming, 1:54:17.000 --> 1:54:19.160 and the girls is just like sitting there like. 1:54:20.840 --> 1:54:23.040 And he's handing the girl's roses while he's rapping. 1:54:24.040 --> 1:54:26.880 And then he goes into giving it's a demo, and 1:54:27.000 --> 1:54:28.760 he pulls out nots of money. 1:54:28.800 --> 1:54:34.080 He starts throwing it in the cloud, and all I 1:54:34.200 --> 1:54:38.000 remember is the girls going, oh, I'm going to fuck him. 1:54:38.840 --> 1:54:44.280 I'm going to fuck him. I'm like, yo, I'm like, gee, Rapp, 1:54:44.720 --> 1:54:45.400 you know what I'm saying. 1:54:46.040 --> 1:54:49.400 So that was one of my first interests of seeing 1:54:49.480 --> 1:54:53.840 how people act to somebody who who who's a superstar 1:54:54.000 --> 1:54:55.440 or who's becoming a rap star. 1:54:56.080 --> 1:54:59.960 And I think ge style. 1:55:01.480 --> 1:55:03.640 Between Rock, Kim, Kane, and Giva I called him the 1:55:03.680 --> 1:55:10.200 Three Horsemen their styles into wolf and they created what 1:55:10.400 --> 1:55:14.840 we considered modern lyricist raps. But I know for a 1:55:14.920 --> 1:55:18.920 fact talking about him talking to Kane, I know for 1:55:19.040 --> 1:55:23.800 a fact that everybody watched Grapp. 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:25.960 G rap spit a rhyme. 1:55:27.480 --> 1:55:29.240 Somebody's gonna be like, oh, I gotta get a better 1:55:29.320 --> 1:55:32.240 rhyme than that, because g Baptists came through, you know so, 1:55:32.720 --> 1:55:36.160 and one of the greatest records to me pull it 1:55:36.280 --> 1:55:40.960 up is over the Big Daddy came Robby's Kane and 1:55:41.080 --> 1:55:44.320 g rapped back to back, going back to back. Probably 1:55:46.160 --> 1:55:48.800 g raps rhyme is probably one of the best rhymes ever. 1:55:49.800 --> 1:55:53.200 You know, he goes in, so I'm gonna have to 1:55:53.280 --> 1:55:55.640 I'm just gonna I'm automatically and he's from Queens, He's 1:55:55.640 --> 1:55:56.960 from around my way, So I'm. 1:55:56.760 --> 1:55:58.480 Gone with no disrespect to Rob Kim. 1:55:58.880 --> 1:56:00.960 I wrote, I love rock him right there next to 1:56:01.000 --> 1:56:03.360 the grapp but I gotta go with you at first, but. 1:56:03.480 --> 1:56:09.280 JA can ring too. Run DMC or APM D oh 1:56:11.560 --> 1:56:20.120 see EPM D I love because how Eric. 1:56:21.840 --> 1:56:24.280 Was making those I love Eric Sermon as a producer 1:56:24.680 --> 1:56:28.080 like I love him as a producer, and I love 1:56:28.160 --> 1:56:33.600 that vibe that they would bring him. But I'm always 1:56:33.680 --> 1:56:37.480 going to give it to run DMC over everybody. You 1:56:37.560 --> 1:56:40.120 could say, run DMC and running m C and running 1:56:40.280 --> 1:56:44.080 It's always going to be run DMC because without run DMC, 1:56:44.200 --> 1:56:47.560 wouldn't We would have never had no MTV play. We 1:56:47.600 --> 1:56:51.520 would have never been outside of New York. We would 1:56:51.560 --> 1:56:56.200 have never had clothing endorsements. We would have never spent 1:56:56.280 --> 1:56:58.000 all our moneys at Benny's. 1:56:57.600 --> 1:57:03.120 And Coliseum on fat rope chains anti Yeah, exactlyt Yeah, 1:57:03.200 --> 1:57:06.680 we would have the bubble Gooses with the V's, the 1:57:08.040 --> 1:57:11.120 the Cagos, the Gazelles. 1:57:13.480 --> 1:57:19.000 They they took hip hop out of looking like earth 1:57:19.080 --> 1:57:24.760 winding fire. Think about it, and there's no dis to Yeah, 1:57:25.240 --> 1:57:27.760 they had to dress like what they saw. 1:57:29.280 --> 1:57:29.480 Yeah. 1:57:29.560 --> 1:57:34.120 Other artists at the time, like disco artists, funk artists, 1:57:34.320 --> 1:57:37.280 they figured if we dress like that, we will be accepted. 1:57:37.720 --> 1:57:40.640 We're running them. See what the first people belay. We 1:57:40.720 --> 1:57:43.680 don't need to be Yeah, we don't need to be accepted, 1:57:45.000 --> 1:57:48.600 We just need to be respected. You understand what I'm saying. 1:57:48.960 --> 1:57:51.560 So they came through and they said, you don't gotta 1:57:51.680 --> 1:57:56.400 like us, forgive us respect, you know what I'm saying. 1:57:56.480 --> 1:58:02.600 So always running them, seat always and I And I'm 1:58:02.680 --> 1:58:05.520 gonna look at any rapper, anybody who knows hip hop 1:58:05.600 --> 1:58:08.760 is about a hip hop that won't say run DMC first. 1:58:08.760 --> 1:58:10.160 I'm like, I'm looking at y'all go crazy. 1:58:10.520 --> 1:58:13.400 Somebody else could be your favorite group personally, but you 1:58:14.560 --> 1:58:17.480 but you gotta yeah, you gotta give it. I'm talking 1:58:17.480 --> 1:58:23.120 about to this day. To this day, I wish I 1:58:23.240 --> 1:58:27.000 wish you could be on a stage because it's a 1:58:27.120 --> 1:58:29.680 rare thing now and watch Run and d come out 1:58:30.040 --> 1:58:30.960 and perform. 1:58:31.480 --> 1:58:32.000 Like right now. 1:58:32.840 --> 1:58:35.680 The looks on people's faces from the artists, like every 1:58:35.840 --> 1:58:37.560 artist on the show will pile up on the side 1:58:37.560 --> 1:58:38.200 of the stage. 1:58:37.960 --> 1:58:40.080 Like shit, you know what I'm saying. 1:58:41.000 --> 1:58:44.800 Grown up kids, they'd be in an audience like they're 1:58:44.880 --> 1:58:48.680 like mega rock stars when they decide to get together 1:58:48.800 --> 1:58:51.360 and do like once every five years or whatever, they'll 1:58:51.440 --> 1:58:53.400 do it, and I respect the fact that there's no 1:58:53.520 --> 1:58:55.720 more run DMC without a jam master Jay. 1:58:55.800 --> 1:58:57.200 Yeah, like they don't kind of do shows. 1:58:57.240 --> 1:58:59.120 At first, I used to hurt me, but you know 1:58:59.160 --> 1:59:01.800 I got to see them somewhat on the rock stadium. 1:59:02.560 --> 1:59:05.520 Yeah yeah, yeah, they went together. But I do kind 1:59:05.560 --> 1:59:08.200 of like fail them both where you know, there's kind. 1:59:08.120 --> 1:59:10.680 Of a lot of DJ that can replace jam messages. Yeah, man, 1:59:10.840 --> 1:59:12.480 I failed them, but I do want to see them 1:59:12.520 --> 1:59:16.600 together on more hours. The next one, large pro q ten. 1:59:21.720 --> 1:59:24.480 Damn man, y'all gonna have to drink, man, But let 1:59:24.520 --> 1:59:25.320 me break that down. 1:59:25.360 --> 1:59:36.040 Then Large Pro, especially being from from pretty much the neighborhood, 1:59:38.440 --> 1:59:41.960 I think Large Pro helped the usher in an era 1:59:43.560 --> 1:59:49.080 where the beats were like there was no more water 1:59:49.280 --> 1:59:51.320 down beats, you know what I'm saying. 1:59:51.560 --> 1:59:58.440 It was like main source, main sauce was ship, you 1:59:58.480 --> 1:59:59.040 know what I'm saying. 1:59:59.080 --> 2:00:02.560 And then you had, you know, from from the NAS 2:00:02.600 --> 2:00:06.240 album to just different things that he was doing, Like 2:00:06.360 --> 2:00:08.680 you had to respect like he was he was mastering 2:00:08.720 --> 2:00:12.320 a SB twelve hundred man. And but then I look 2:00:12.360 --> 2:00:16.800 at Tip. What I what I admired the most about 2:00:16.920 --> 2:00:22.680 Tip is Tip was is a master producer. But when 2:00:22.720 --> 2:00:25.880 he was doing the Tribe album, he never made it 2:00:25.960 --> 2:00:29.400 about him producing the stuff. It always said produced by 2:00:30.080 --> 2:00:33.440 Tribe called Quest. So you didn't think Tip was that 2:00:33.640 --> 2:00:36.720 master producer until he started doing like you know, we 2:00:36.800 --> 2:00:41.760 thought yeah right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, and Ali was 2:00:41.800 --> 2:00:44.400 doing this thing too, but but I'm saying, and Ali 2:00:44.480 --> 2:00:46.680 snow doesn't Yeah. 2:00:46.760 --> 2:00:48.960 Yeah, definitely, we thought he was just an MC. Yeah. 2:00:49.360 --> 2:00:52.360 And so so when Tip started doing like cookling Dodgers 2:00:52.440 --> 2:00:54.760 and nas and and all the other stuff, You're like, yeao, 2:00:55.000 --> 2:01:01.200 hold up here, and and it's just like, I just 2:01:01.280 --> 2:01:07.640 think both both have a framework that's just amazing. And 2:01:07.720 --> 2:01:09.480 I could I can't put one over the over. 2:01:09.960 --> 2:01:18.760 Drink drink drink salut Pete Rock or per Man. 2:01:19.800 --> 2:01:23.400 Oh I won't drink to that one too was out 2:01:23.440 --> 2:01:27.400 the way because Pete. What I love about Pete Rock. 2:01:29.520 --> 2:01:32.240 First of all, me and him love comic book So 2:01:32.360 --> 2:01:35.960 when we talk, we only talk about the whole. Yeah, 2:01:36.000 --> 2:01:39.760 we boths and toys. Yeah, so we collect comic books. 2:01:39.800 --> 2:01:47.440 So so we have that in common. But Pete's a 2:01:47.600 --> 2:01:51.920 master at the soul and the jazz, the obscure soul 2:01:52.040 --> 2:01:55.960 and jazz sample, I don't think nobody can do okay, 2:01:56.000 --> 2:01:59.320 and I can get technical right now, the what they 2:01:59.400 --> 2:02:02.000 call filter rank where you filter out the temple and 2:02:02.120 --> 2:02:04.240 you just hit a baseline. And that was some real 2:02:04.400 --> 2:02:10.640 like like you listen to Troy or or like King 2:02:10.960 --> 2:02:14.120 King of Rock up down with the King Remix or 2:02:14.560 --> 2:02:20.000 just certain certain records his When you listen to his production, 2:02:20.160 --> 2:02:22.680 it's like you're looking into the ocean. Man, It's like 2:02:22.760 --> 2:02:25.880 some deep shit. It's like it's layers to it. And 2:02:26.040 --> 2:02:31.720 I love Pete for that. Primo is the chop king, 2:02:33.160 --> 2:02:36.200 the king, like you will never be able to chop 2:02:36.320 --> 2:02:40.640 like Primo, and yeah that and like he finds these 2:02:40.760 --> 2:02:45.040 chops and and I love Primo for it because that's 2:02:45.080 --> 2:02:48.440 how when I was producing my first album, that's what 2:02:48.560 --> 2:02:50.360 I was doing, Like nobody was really chopping like that. 2:02:50.960 --> 2:02:53.560 So like records like the Rhythm and other records, I 2:02:53.640 --> 2:02:56.640 was doing the chops, but Primo was taking it, took 2:02:56.680 --> 2:03:00.920 it to a whole other level and just took one 2:03:01.160 --> 2:03:04.120 sound and tuned it and chopped it and made it 2:03:04.200 --> 2:03:05.520 a thing like. 2:03:07.320 --> 2:03:13.839 What's the kicking the door? For example, pump that joint. 2:03:14.240 --> 2:03:15.680 Is I put a spell on you and you listen 2:03:15.720 --> 2:03:18.040 to the record, it's like a nice bounce to it. 2:03:18.120 --> 2:03:21.600 But the way he took those different stabs, and then 2:03:21.960 --> 2:03:24.440 it's all about the beasts that he programmed under it. 2:03:24.480 --> 2:03:28.000 And what I loved about Primo is he never let up. 2:03:29.120 --> 2:03:33.680 He never conformed to new equipment. He stayed on his MP, 2:03:33.920 --> 2:03:36.480 stayed on it, but his nine fifty. And that's what 2:03:36.640 --> 2:03:39.960 gave it the grit. As other like new machines started 2:03:40.000 --> 2:03:44.640 coming out, prem always stuck to that, so preame and. 2:03:45.000 --> 2:03:49.880 Pete apples and oranges. Pream got that grit. He got 2:03:49.960 --> 2:03:53.120 that depth. So I can never put anything up against 2:03:53.160 --> 2:04:01.680 each other. Okay, here we did analog or digital. 2:04:02.440 --> 2:04:07.280 Analog, then you switch it to digital because you think 2:04:07.320 --> 2:04:09.120 about this, you know, for those that don't understand the 2:04:09.160 --> 2:04:11.560 analog or digital, A lot of people from this Jenner 2:04:11.600 --> 2:04:15.040 for the last two generations only no digital. You know, 2:04:15.240 --> 2:04:17.280 a CD if that's the oldest thing you may know 2:04:17.360 --> 2:04:19.480 as a CD. Now you know what you hear on 2:04:19.560 --> 2:04:22.560 your phone and now you got things like looseless and 2:04:22.680 --> 2:04:24.800 atmost and all this other stuff that's supposed to make 2:04:24.840 --> 2:04:29.120 your stuff sound crispy and nice. But from my era 2:04:29.280 --> 2:04:33.720 and back then, we had to we were recording the tape. 2:04:36.040 --> 2:04:38.960 The tape makes, for lack of a better term, the 2:04:39.040 --> 2:04:43.400 tape makes the sound thicker. That eighto weight is going 2:04:43.480 --> 2:04:46.440 to punch you in your whole chest and crack you 2:04:46.520 --> 2:04:50.440 in half. Because that analog sound, there's a beef to it, 2:04:52.360 --> 2:04:57.920 and like analog equalizers and different controllers, there's like a 2:04:58.040 --> 2:05:03.160 knock that you cannot replace with digital. Also, there's and 2:05:03.200 --> 2:05:06.560 I'm getting kind of technical, if you play a record 2:05:06.600 --> 2:05:09.240 and you play a CD playing back to back, the 2:05:09.360 --> 2:05:13.960 record sounds stronger, The record sounds thicker, there's a depth to. 2:05:14.040 --> 2:05:15.080 It, and. 2:05:16.600 --> 2:05:20.440 Yeah, it's like it's Christmas nice. It's like, yeah, think 2:05:20.440 --> 2:05:22.640 about what the CD is. The CD was created for 2:05:22.720 --> 2:05:30.040 classical music. The very first CD record it was either 2:05:30.520 --> 2:05:32.680 it was definitely a classical record. And then the very 2:05:32.760 --> 2:05:36.240 first pop CD record was like an Elton a Billie 2:05:36.280 --> 2:05:39.600 Joel record and the only soul in Japan because they 2:05:39.640 --> 2:05:41.480 wanted it was that was their technology. 2:05:41.800 --> 2:05:45.600 It was never intended for hip hop at all at first. 2:05:46.200 --> 2:05:51.720 So you have that. But the analog there's an there's 2:05:51.760 --> 2:05:54.560 a hiss in the analog. There's a noise that most 2:05:54.800 --> 2:05:57.920 ears will never hear, but it makes it. It gives 2:05:57.960 --> 2:05:58.600 it a different thing. 2:05:58.680 --> 2:06:01.320 So I'm always gonna go with animal log and I 2:06:01.360 --> 2:06:03.040 know I'm getting super technical on everybody. 2:06:03.600 --> 2:06:05.320 No, He's like, just got hurry up. 2:06:09.000 --> 2:06:10.920 What I like to do is I try to do 2:06:11.040 --> 2:06:15.440 as much analog as I can, or as much low 2:06:15.600 --> 2:06:19.440 level digital as I can, and then transfer it to digital, 2:06:19.520 --> 2:06:21.880 so at least I have some of that wear and 2:06:22.000 --> 2:06:23.200 what I what I'm producing. 2:06:23.280 --> 2:06:25.640 That We had Quick on the show and he and well, 2:06:25.720 --> 2:06:27.120 I don't think he said it on the show, but 2:06:27.440 --> 2:06:31.360 I've heard him say before that analog absorbs the energy 2:06:31.400 --> 2:06:31.800 in the room. 2:06:31.960 --> 2:06:34.839 Yes, and that cannot be replaced with digital. 2:06:35.000 --> 2:06:37.960 Quickest, hands down one of the greatest producers ever. Like 2:06:38.040 --> 2:06:42.280 I remember being in the studio back working on something 2:06:43.080 --> 2:06:45.520 for jay Z and Quick was in there. He was 2:06:45.600 --> 2:06:47.800 doing I don't know if this record ever came out, 2:06:47.840 --> 2:06:51.720 but he redid a Madonna record Justify My Love, and 2:06:52.640 --> 2:06:54.800 he did a jay Z record called Justify My Thug. 2:06:54.880 --> 2:06:57.600 I think it's called I don't know if if it 2:06:57.680 --> 2:07:01.240 ever came out. It is on the back elbm Okay. 2:07:01.800 --> 2:07:04.120 So Quick was working on the record at the time 2:07:04.880 --> 2:07:06.680 and I was watching him how he was laying down 2:07:06.720 --> 2:07:09.360 his stuff and he was like laying like three snaires 2:07:09.400 --> 2:07:11.440 at a time, four kicks at a time. 2:07:11.720 --> 2:07:12.920 I was like, Yo, what the hell you doing? 2:07:13.000 --> 2:07:15.680 He's like, Yo, I gotta I gotta make it feel 2:07:15.760 --> 2:07:18.760 like analog, So I gotta like double and triple it 2:07:18.840 --> 2:07:20.720 up so it could just punch people in the face. 2:07:21.080 --> 2:07:24.400 And I never could. I know that. 2:07:24.520 --> 2:07:27.240 I mastered a lot of things, but I'm always a student, 2:07:27.800 --> 2:07:31.160 So I'll sit back in any producer session and just pete. 2:07:31.520 --> 2:07:33.560 I'm not gonna jack them for this stuff, but I'm 2:07:33.600 --> 2:07:36.200 a peep how they get down. And I really admired 2:07:36.280 --> 2:07:40.320 how quick was on his game like that, like he's 2:07:40.400 --> 2:07:41.240 always on his game. 2:07:43.680 --> 2:07:45.000 So did we have to drink to that or did 2:07:45.040 --> 2:07:52.200 we not? No? I said, Okay, Mike Geronimo or World 2:07:52.280 --> 2:07:54.280 Flush and you, oh, you killing me. 2:07:54.640 --> 2:08:04.440 They're gonna drink because I think they both represent between 2:08:08.040 --> 2:08:16.040 they both present. They represent Flushing queens and Flushing. When 2:08:16.080 --> 2:08:19.840 I was growing up, Flushing was half. 2:08:21.640 --> 2:08:22.560 Black. No, no, no, no. 2:08:23.560 --> 2:08:25.040 When I was like when I was a little kid, 2:08:25.600 --> 2:08:32.440 Flushing was half black, half Italian. Okay, they call it 2:08:32.560 --> 2:08:37.200 white flight. Italians moved out the you know, blacks moved 2:08:37.240 --> 2:08:40.840 in a little bit more, but then out of. 2:08:42.480 --> 2:08:50.280 Definitely Haitian, Jamaicans, we were all in it together. And then. 2:08:52.080 --> 2:08:56.600 Started you started seeing it in spurts, Chinese, Korean. But 2:08:56.760 --> 2:08:59.760 that wave got bigger and bigger and bigger. 2:08:59.840 --> 2:09:03.360 So by the time the nineties came, what you thought 2:09:03.640 --> 2:09:08.120 was a black neighborhood or predominantly black neighborhood. 2:09:08.120 --> 2:09:11.680 I'm talking about perfect example, Bland Projects. You go up 2:09:11.680 --> 2:09:14.240 in the Bland Projects in the eighties, it's black. You 2:09:14.400 --> 2:09:19.280 go there right now, all Chinese, all like you never. 2:09:19.240 --> 2:09:22.840 Think of Main Street period. Yeah, Main Street going in 2:09:22.960 --> 2:09:26.000 from Roosevelt going into to Main Street. Chinese food in 2:09:26.040 --> 2:09:31.640 the world, Main Street, and and that Roger Yeah, y yeah, 2:09:32.680 --> 2:09:35.960 it's kind of like they got places. That's nice out there. Yeah, 2:09:35.960 --> 2:09:38.640 they got places. So you have you have the Bland, 2:09:38.680 --> 2:09:41.520 you have Pomanac, you have what's the co Street from 2:09:43.360 --> 2:09:46.320 the name of the three projects forgot. Yeah. 2:09:46.400 --> 2:09:49.440 But but when I was a kid, it was predominantly black, 2:09:49.920 --> 2:09:53.160 and now it's predominantly Asian and and and the community 2:09:53.240 --> 2:09:54.360 is so different. 2:09:54.560 --> 2:09:56.680 Once that busy Bee Mall Cane, you know, busy Bee 2:09:56.720 --> 2:09:57.640 Mares on. 2:09:57.760 --> 2:10:03.080 Main Once that came, you started to see you it 2:10:03.240 --> 2:10:06.640 was like a gentrification of a neighborhood. And now you 2:10:06.760 --> 2:10:09.040 go into that. If I knocked every one of y'all 2:10:09.080 --> 2:10:11.440 out and I drop y'all in the middle of Flushing Queens, 2:10:12.280 --> 2:10:14.960 you would think you were in Hong Kong somewhere like 2:10:15.160 --> 2:10:19.720 no lot, because every sign is in Chinese, the signs, 2:10:19.960 --> 2:10:24.440 all the signs of every sign, all the stores, no way, 2:10:25.080 --> 2:10:29.080 the police, yeah, the police officers everything. 2:10:30.560 --> 2:10:36.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they were neighborhood. Yeah. 2:10:37.160 --> 2:10:39.280 I don't I don't know if it's racist. I'm not 2:10:39.360 --> 2:10:41.120 going to say call it racist at all. It's just 2:10:41.200 --> 2:10:43.760 a culture. It's a different culture. 2:10:43.840 --> 2:10:45.520 And when they moved to like you know what I mean, 2:10:45.600 --> 2:10:48.920 and then they so if it's like you always use Haitians, 2:10:48.960 --> 2:10:51.160 so it's like just supposed a bunch of Haitians move there, 2:10:51.360 --> 2:10:51.880 then they take. 2:10:51.800 --> 2:11:03.040 Over originally yeah, supermarkets. Yeah yeah. Is it a race 2:11:03.360 --> 2:11:05.640 like me, you can't go into that part of town? 2:11:05.840 --> 2:11:06.280 No, no, no, no. 2:11:06.400 --> 2:11:11.000 I don't think it's that. But I believe that the 2:11:11.080 --> 2:11:15.600 Asian culture is very close knit. I think every ethnic 2:11:15.720 --> 2:11:18.560 culture at its core is very cold, close knit. So 2:11:18.680 --> 2:11:20.640 when you're not from that culture, they just gonna be like, 2:11:20.680 --> 2:11:26.919 all right, see what he's doing, and that's it. Yeah exactly. 2:11:27.200 --> 2:11:29.880 And then you know, but but anybody from Queens and 2:11:29.960 --> 2:11:33.400 from that neighborhood, we're in and out of that neighborhood 2:11:33.560 --> 2:11:34.240 at all times. 2:11:34.280 --> 2:11:37.040 So it's like, you know, it's just it's a mixture 2:11:37.080 --> 2:11:37.640 of cultures. 2:11:37.640 --> 2:11:39.440 And I think a lot of people got to understand 2:11:39.520 --> 2:11:44.080 that that, especially food, food brings every culture together. 2:11:44.920 --> 2:11:48.800 Music, food and music. But there's no Black neighborhood without 2:11:49.360 --> 2:11:52.840 Asian food. You know what I'm saying. Don't work? Yeah, 2:11:52.880 --> 2:11:55.880 you get me to ask ole smoke weed. Yeah, you 2:11:55.920 --> 2:11:58.840 can get kicked out of some yeah, but yeah, it 2:11:59.040 --> 2:12:01.920 was universe, so it's not Yeah, we I mean food 2:12:02.000 --> 2:12:05.520 and food and music brings everybody together. Man, it's it's amazing. 2:12:07.320 --> 2:12:10.600 Okay, NPC two thousand XL or n PC two thousand 2:12:10.720 --> 2:12:11.840 XL mp. 2:12:14.040 --> 2:12:18.040 MPC. I don't even know what you said are I'm like, yeah, 2:12:18.360 --> 2:12:19.400 you're talking about money. 2:12:23.360 --> 2:12:27.520 Nah, And I know people like Alchemists and and who 2:12:27.600 --> 2:12:31.360 else does a SR Tim Timbo does SR I believe 2:12:31.360 --> 2:12:34.320 he does SR Rizza that's as R. 2:12:34.760 --> 2:12:34.800 No. 2:12:36.000 --> 2:12:38.880 Sorry, you're never getting me to go past the MPC 2:12:39.080 --> 2:12:42.080 two thousand excel. Okay, Big Daddy Kane on jay Z. 2:12:42.320 --> 2:12:51.760 Come on, stop man, I'm picking one. I'm picking Kane 2:12:53.240 --> 2:12:57.560 because I believe without Caine that might not. 2:12:57.680 --> 2:13:02.879 Be a Jay jaz was. I agree, Yeah, I agree, saying. 2:13:02.960 --> 2:13:10.360 So even though Jay and Jazzo were running around but 2:13:10.800 --> 2:13:12.320 at the same time as a Caine. 2:13:14.320 --> 2:13:18.080 But Cain. 2:13:20.560 --> 2:13:22.760 Correct me if I'm wrong, But I believe Kine gave 2:13:22.920 --> 2:13:29.480 Jay platforms put him on singles. You know when when 2:13:29.680 --> 2:13:33.200 when the nineties era is rushing ushering in and we're 2:13:33.440 --> 2:13:36.320 getting away from from the style that he was using 2:13:36.440 --> 2:13:40.600 with with Jazzo. It was putting him in a platform. 2:13:41.120 --> 2:13:44.600 And and I think I heard Kane say this recently. 2:13:44.760 --> 2:13:46.360 Kine was trying to get him a deal and couldn't 2:13:46.360 --> 2:13:46.960 get him a deal. 2:13:47.760 --> 2:13:50.040 But I think. 2:13:51.800 --> 2:13:55.840 Cain allowed people to know and respect Jay at another 2:13:56.000 --> 2:13:58.240 level and then Jay took it from there. 2:13:59.440 --> 2:14:03.480 So I got it. I got Yeah, Kine in general, 2:14:03.800 --> 2:14:06.400 just on what do you different in hip hop? 2:14:06.920 --> 2:14:10.400 Yeah, you have to give him that like Jay might 2:14:10.480 --> 2:14:12.200 not take it there like a lot of people might. 2:14:12.400 --> 2:14:15.600 If not, Kane takes it there. You could understand the 2:14:15.720 --> 2:14:16.600 impact of Kin. 2:14:18.800 --> 2:14:24.320 To this day, rappers mentioned Kane, Jay's mentioned King, people 2:14:24.520 --> 2:14:27.520 mentioned Kane to this day. Two rappers that always get 2:14:27.600 --> 2:14:29.720 mentioned the most to me is like a Caine and 2:14:29.800 --> 2:14:33.760 a slick Rick Kane, slick Rick ll rock Camp. Yeah, 2:14:34.280 --> 2:14:39.080 those four get mentioned by anybody and you can say 2:14:39.120 --> 2:14:41.560 their name and nobody's going to be like, what are 2:14:41.560 --> 2:14:42.200 you talking about? 2:14:43.240 --> 2:14:47.080 You know? So, so I gotta give it to Kane 2:14:47.080 --> 2:14:51.160 at all times. The big shouts to Jay Malcolm xel 2:14:51.200 --> 2:14:57.760 Marcus Garvey. So you're not supposed to put them too 2:14:57.920 --> 2:15:01.280 against each other because what they're supposed to do is 2:15:01.320 --> 2:15:03.440 be together on and so y'all got drink on that, right, 2:15:03.480 --> 2:15:15.520 that's right? Yeah, Illmatic on thirty six Chambers. That's kind 2:15:15.560 --> 2:15:17.520 of a drink too. That's going to be a drink. 2:15:17.640 --> 2:15:23.080 But no, thirty six Chambers came up with the same 2:15:23.680 --> 2:15:26.160 pretty much like a year before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but 2:15:26.240 --> 2:15:28.400 it's the same era. That's why they went on tour together. 2:15:28.440 --> 2:15:31.040 I mean, because yeah, so do you gotta drink to that? 2:15:31.080 --> 2:15:37.040 But I'm gonna say this, Illmatic showed because kind of 2:15:37.200 --> 2:15:38.880 like before Illmatic. 2:15:40.560 --> 2:15:42.880 Artists like myself, we were told that we had to 2:15:43.040 --> 2:15:47.080 make these radio or waded down records in order to 2:15:47.160 --> 2:15:47.960 go anywhere. 2:15:48.280 --> 2:15:51.480 You were actually told that, yeah, one hundred percent label 2:15:51.600 --> 2:15:56.839 management or who both seventeen eighteen. Yeah. Like for example, 2:15:58.720 --> 2:16:01.120 like say I used my record the rhythm. 2:16:02.920 --> 2:16:05.920 Okay, all right, but we were told to chill it, 2:16:06.160 --> 2:16:09.840 chill it out, So you got Illmatic comes out and 2:16:09.960 --> 2:16:14.800 it blows and it's like, yo, we could just be us. 2:16:15.120 --> 2:16:17.800 It's not a radio driven sounded out but still you 2:16:17.880 --> 2:16:18.960 want to play this on a radio. 2:16:19.160 --> 2:16:23.360 Yes, it's a groundbreaking and he's just being he's just 2:16:23.480 --> 2:16:26.640 being in them c just being here. Yes, so. 2:16:28.160 --> 2:16:31.920 That's groundbreaking into itself and he's from Queens. Then you 2:16:32.000 --> 2:16:36.480 got thirty six Chambers to me, thirty six Chambers told 2:16:36.560 --> 2:16:40.080 me that hip hop is at a certain place because 2:16:40.400 --> 2:16:41.720 anything goes now. 2:16:41.959 --> 2:16:44.920 Thirty six Chambers, you just got records. You got a 2:16:45.120 --> 2:16:48.200 dudes rhyming on a record. You know, there's no real 2:16:48.400 --> 2:16:51.960 main hook that you just repeating everything. It's no poppy 2:16:52.000 --> 2:16:55.800 hook or nothing like that. It's just dude going in bar, 2:16:55.920 --> 2:16:58.920 foot ball, football and it's working. Let me ask you, 2:16:59.280 --> 2:17:02.600 how does it go backwards in that way? How does 2:17:02.680 --> 2:17:04.600 hip hop go back to its essence? 2:17:05.879 --> 2:17:15.760 Because I think I think two things happen. It's gonna 2:17:15.800 --> 2:17:20.440 sound weird. But when white kids got into rap, they 2:17:20.520 --> 2:17:23.160 got into rap at the age of your m t 2:17:23.320 --> 2:17:25.680 V raps anything. 2:17:25.440 --> 2:17:29.240 Before that, then they may know what they may not know. 2:17:29.320 --> 2:17:30.240 It's it's a toss up. 2:17:31.000 --> 2:17:35.120 But the white audience really got into it because they 2:17:35.200 --> 2:17:40.440 watched MTV all day long. Rap hip hop was rebel 2:17:40.560 --> 2:17:47.720 music and culture yeah and every yeah, exactly. 2:17:49.480 --> 2:18:00.480 A whole. So they wanted to rebel against it. Parents. 2:18:01.440 --> 2:18:05.680 So the harder the rap record was, that's the record 2:18:05.720 --> 2:18:10.160 that they were playing. So they started with NWA. Fuck 2:18:10.200 --> 2:18:12.360 the Police, Mom, you know, and like, you. 2:18:12.400 --> 2:18:14.160 Know, there's like what are you listening to? 2:18:14.680 --> 2:18:17.680 You know, and that's where you know, I'm pretty sure 2:18:17.760 --> 2:18:20.600 al Gore's wife's tip of Gore her kids was playing 2:18:20.680 --> 2:18:23.000 in n WA or Public Enemy or something, and she 2:18:23.080 --> 2:18:25.680 didn't like it, and so she ushered in that parental 2:18:25.720 --> 2:18:27.920 advisory there. You know, there was a time that you 2:18:28.080 --> 2:18:30.400 had to You couldn't buy a rap record. You couldn't 2:18:30.400 --> 2:18:31.920 even pull it off the shelf anymore. You had to 2:18:31.959 --> 2:18:34.880 ask for it behind the counter after one part. So 2:18:36.240 --> 2:18:41.080 flash forward to we got We Have Wu Tang and 2:18:41.320 --> 2:18:47.560 acts like that. That's just rebel music. You know, you 2:18:47.760 --> 2:18:51.439 playing Protect your Neck and you're in some suburban household 2:18:51.520 --> 2:18:55.640 and your mom is listening to Elton John and you 2:18:55.959 --> 2:18:59.400 start throwing that protecting neck, going real out or met 2:18:59.760 --> 2:19:00.280 h d. 2:19:00.560 --> 2:19:04.800 Man and then the mobs like you don't listen to 2:19:04.920 --> 2:19:07.640 things like this, and it's like that's and now you 2:19:07.800 --> 2:19:10.840 flash forward, go to a Woo Tang show. 2:19:11.440 --> 2:19:14.240 Tell me what you see in that audiences forty forty 2:19:14.280 --> 2:19:16.520 five year old white guys. That was like that was 2:19:17.120 --> 2:19:21.240 that was kids? Yeah, yeah, with the kids like we 2:19:21.480 --> 2:19:26.880 whole bitches. Ye yeah, It's like I was like, oh, 2:19:27.000 --> 2:19:28.800 ship and you need to pal with girl. 2:19:29.879 --> 2:19:33.800 No, no, it's it's real and it's worldwide. And and 2:19:34.360 --> 2:19:37.360 that's when I understood. I think up to this point, 2:19:37.440 --> 2:19:39.000 hip hop was trying to find its voice. 2:19:39.520 --> 2:19:39.680 You know. 2:19:39.760 --> 2:19:42.160 Hip hop's when it started. We were rapping over disco beats. 2:19:42.920 --> 2:19:45.200 You know, we we we were doing our break beats 2:19:45.240 --> 2:19:46.960 in the park or whatever. But our records had to 2:19:47.080 --> 2:19:50.280 reflect the popular disco record. And then it was the 2:19:50.600 --> 2:19:52.320 you know, electoral records. 2:19:51.959 --> 2:19:54.840 And then you know the house record. Yeah, but then 2:19:54.920 --> 2:19:57.280 but run back to one m C. They told us 2:19:57.400 --> 2:19:59.680 now we can be we could be us. But then 2:19:59.720 --> 2:20:03.840 they did ero Smith the rock record. Well, because I 2:20:03.920 --> 2:20:06.640 think that hip hop and like punk rock were in 2:20:06.760 --> 2:20:09.280 the same yeah, yeah, you know, but I'm saying we were. 2:20:09.320 --> 2:20:15.160 Also, we also thought that we had to make a 2:20:15.320 --> 2:20:18.879 record that, for lack of a better term, that white. 2:20:18.680 --> 2:20:19.360 People would like. 2:20:20.560 --> 2:20:23.600 So for example, crossover. Yeah, like we thought we had 2:20:23.640 --> 2:20:26.240 to make that. Some artists went all the way with it, 2:20:26.440 --> 2:20:29.840 like for example, let's take salt pepper, push it, push 2:20:29.879 --> 2:20:30.720 it real good. 2:20:30.920 --> 2:20:31.680 That was a joke. 2:20:32.160 --> 2:20:37.199 They wasn't serious about making records. They're in the studios 2:20:37.560 --> 2:20:41.480 bugging out. They're bugging out one because of Miami Base. 2:20:42.000 --> 2:20:46.000 Yo, yo yo, that's fucked those No no, no, it's not. 2:20:46.120 --> 2:20:49.760 It's not a clown to no, no, no, but listen, listen, 2:20:49.879 --> 2:20:54.879 this is what it was. New Yorkers had. New Yorkers 2:20:54.920 --> 2:20:56.040 had a chip on their shoulder. 2:20:56.120 --> 2:20:58.320 We didn't expect anything that wasn't Liverpool. Yeah, if it 2:20:58.440 --> 2:21:00.720 wasn't Liver Cool, it wasn't Kim or anything. 2:21:00.800 --> 2:21:01.360 Were not with it. 2:21:01.720 --> 2:21:03.640 And you gotta understand, like even from when I first 2:21:03.680 --> 2:21:10.120 started the lyrical content of Miami Bass, there was no 2:21:10.400 --> 2:21:11.960 like for us. It wasn't like we're not trying to 2:21:12.040 --> 2:21:14.760 rhyme like that, you know, And I'm gonna take it 2:21:14.760 --> 2:21:17.039 all the way back to early Miami Like I would 2:21:17.040 --> 2:21:17.680 come down here and I. 2:21:17.640 --> 2:21:23.200 Would perform at Strawberries. I would perform at pack Jam. Yeah. 2:21:23.280 --> 2:21:26.119 So so like Uncle Luke brought me to the pack 2:21:26.200 --> 2:21:28.280 Jam and I would get on stage and I'd be 2:21:28.400 --> 2:21:29.800 rocking it and they would rock with me. 2:21:30.879 --> 2:21:34.680 But after my show they would be like bring on. 2:21:37.640 --> 2:21:41.160 And I'm thinking, and I'm pappen you think you know? 2:21:41.280 --> 2:21:43.800 And they poka and they thought that was cool. But 2:21:44.280 --> 2:21:47.000 I would always I come to Miami, I'm the opening that. 2:21:47.120 --> 2:21:50.280 It ain't no, it's whoever is shaddy, whoever is going, 2:21:51.720 --> 2:21:56.280 whoever is killing? Yeah, like whoever was rocking that base, 2:21:57.080 --> 2:21:59.560 that's that was that ship and you had to respect it. 2:22:00.520 --> 2:22:03.160 And I think when it came to Salt and Pepper 2:22:03.200 --> 2:22:05.640 and Push It, they didn't get it. And they did 2:22:05.680 --> 2:22:07.760 a show and I think I think it was shoddy 2:22:07.879 --> 2:22:11.240 actually was on the show and Shoty wipe the floor 2:22:11.600 --> 2:22:15.120 with them, like there he came out and they was like. 2:22:15.280 --> 2:22:18.160 Yo, and so as a shoe. They were like, we 2:22:18.200 --> 2:22:19.720 can make a record like that and watch us blow 2:22:19.800 --> 2:22:21.640 up too, because it ain't not and they ain't saying nothing. 2:22:21.640 --> 2:22:23.200 We're gonna make a record like that. So they made 2:22:23.400 --> 2:22:23.800 Push It. 2:22:25.560 --> 2:22:30.160 Look Yeah, and it super blew up and then they 2:22:30.959 --> 2:22:33.000 so it wasn't necessarily clowning. 2:22:34.200 --> 2:22:34.800 It was a. 2:22:36.560 --> 2:22:40.920 It wasn't clown It almost was a parody, but it wasn't. 2:22:41.800 --> 2:22:44.720 But it was also saying, can can we do this too? 2:22:45.400 --> 2:22:47.920 Because we got to understand that there's a whole other 2:22:48.120 --> 2:22:51.600 wave out here. It's not just about the five boroughs. 2:22:51.680 --> 2:22:54.520 We go down south. We gotta respect this base, we 2:22:54.600 --> 2:22:57.800 gotta respect that shot in that time frame, they were 2:22:57.879 --> 2:23:01.280 respecting the South at the time, they weren't. They weren't. 2:23:01.320 --> 2:23:05.400 I think it took time to do that, you know, 2:23:05.640 --> 2:23:07.240 Like for me, I can say the same thing, like 2:23:07.800 --> 2:23:12.959 when we were on that nw A tour and one 2:23:13.000 --> 2:23:14.880 thing about me, like I said, I'm always going to 2:23:14.920 --> 2:23:17.040 be a student. So we're like, who's on the tour 2:23:17.080 --> 2:23:18.920 and it was like somebody named too Short? The fuck 2:23:19.080 --> 2:23:22.400 is too Short and it was like poison plan. I'm like, 2:23:22.440 --> 2:23:23.240 who the hell is that? 2:23:24.160 --> 2:23:28.840 So in order so I don't I didn't know poisoning 2:23:28.959 --> 2:23:29.920 was on that to that's crazy. 2:23:30.080 --> 2:23:34.360 So for me, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna shit 2:23:34.440 --> 2:23:36.560 on them and any anyway. So when I did this, 2:23:36.600 --> 2:23:38.360 I called the store and I bought Poison Clan records. 2:23:38.360 --> 2:23:40.600 I bought Too Short records, and I remember that before 2:23:40.640 --> 2:23:42.640 the tour bus came, we sat up all night and 2:23:42.720 --> 2:23:46.440 listened to every one of they records, like I get it, 2:23:46.520 --> 2:23:48.120 I don't get it. I get it, I don't get it, 2:23:48.240 --> 2:23:51.959 but we respect it. They putting records, even cats, even 2:23:52.000 --> 2:23:54.440 from like Detroit area. There's a rapper named e Sean 2:23:54.520 --> 2:23:57.240 from Detroit and that he's like the was the king 2:23:57.320 --> 2:23:57.720 of Detroit. 2:23:57.800 --> 2:23:59.720 So we pulled out, We're going to Detroit. We need 2:23:59.800 --> 2:24:02.720 to know what is booming is. We need to know 2:24:03.080 --> 2:24:04.560 what it is on the West coast. We need to 2:24:04.680 --> 2:24:08.240 know what these things are. And I think by my 2:24:08.560 --> 2:24:11.440 generation we started to understand that. I think the generation 2:24:11.640 --> 2:24:14.440 before me it was just like what these dudes doing 2:24:14.480 --> 2:24:16.840 down here, They ain't really they're not really doing it. 2:24:16.920 --> 2:24:18.280 So I think it was a learning curve. You know, 2:24:20.520 --> 2:24:22.680 now you know, we know what it is. Now. It's like. 2:24:24.560 --> 2:24:27.400 Can't pull up, you can't pull up down here without 2:24:27.480 --> 2:24:32.280 without playing at this. Especially what they were doing with 2:24:32.600 --> 2:24:34.959 like those triplets on the eight aw eights and those 2:24:34.959 --> 2:24:37.440 triplets you know they were that was like a. 2:24:38.959 --> 2:24:40.640 Revolutionary thing that. 2:24:41.240 --> 2:24:43.800 That's incorporated in music now, Like you can't have half 2:24:43.800 --> 2:24:45.760 of the stuff you can't You couldn't have trapped with out? 2:24:47.160 --> 2:24:49.880 Yeah? Yeah, yeah for the strip club. 2:24:50.680 --> 2:24:52.720 I mean, I don't doubt it was in the strip level. 2:24:52.720 --> 2:24:57.200 But yeah from Tampa, like his his ship was crazy man. 2:24:58.480 --> 2:25:09.920 Yep, sure you got it? Producing or rapping? Is this 2:25:10.000 --> 2:25:16.840 a drink? Still a drinking? Take a drink? Okay, okay, yeah, 2:25:16.879 --> 2:25:22.000 remember producing for me, it's gonna sound weird, might sound corny. 2:25:23.200 --> 2:25:26.520 I dream about producer aout. 2:25:27.080 --> 2:25:31.000 I dream about producing, like I have dreams that I 2:25:31.120 --> 2:25:33.400 produce so and so. Today I produce such and such. 2:25:34.120 --> 2:25:37.720 And when I when I have those dreams, when I 2:25:37.800 --> 2:25:39.760 think about it, I think about it at all times. 2:25:39.879 --> 2:25:44.440 I love speaking to other artists. I love being and 2:25:44.720 --> 2:25:45.800 I think the most. 2:25:48.120 --> 2:25:52.040 Vulnerable like personal type settings when you're with an artist 2:25:52.120 --> 2:25:56.800 is when they're creating. You know, you get to know people, 2:25:58.720 --> 2:26:01.440 and you know you might you know, become friends with people. 2:26:01.520 --> 2:26:04.480 Are just know more about them and the type of 2:26:04.560 --> 2:26:07.040 producer I am. I'm not the kind of guy that's like, 2:26:07.120 --> 2:26:09.720 send me some beats. I'm kind of I'm not good 2:26:09.760 --> 2:26:12.520 at that. But if I hung out with you for 2:26:12.600 --> 2:26:14.960 a day and I listened to what you listen to, 2:26:15.120 --> 2:26:17.760 and I listened to your conversation and blah blah blah. 2:26:18.400 --> 2:26:21.080 I'm coming to the studio the next day with a beat. 2:26:21.120 --> 2:26:22.880 I'm like, yo, remember when you were talking about X 2:26:23.000 --> 2:26:24.240 y Z, I made a beat. 2:26:24.400 --> 2:26:27.080 That's there's the difference between a producer and a person 2:26:27.080 --> 2:26:27.480 who makes me. 2:26:27.680 --> 2:26:29.080 Yeah, but that's the you know, that's the kind of 2:26:29.120 --> 2:26:31.879 producer I am. And I know that's a rare thing 2:26:32.000 --> 2:26:35.120 now now and and but that's how I choose to produce. 2:26:35.160 --> 2:26:37.760 So when everybody, anybody says, send me some beats, I'm like, 2:26:38.840 --> 2:26:40.720 let me sit with the person if I can't. 2:26:41.120 --> 2:26:43.199 Right, That's that's a real productive producer. 2:26:43.360 --> 2:26:49.560 But as an MC, as a writer, as as as 2:26:49.560 --> 2:26:53.560 an MC, A lot of times people try to put 2:26:53.560 --> 2:26:56.160 an age on that and they try to say you 2:26:56.280 --> 2:26:59.959 can't rap past this point, or you shouldn't be rapping 2:27:00.120 --> 2:27:05.200 past this point. But I always thought and MC is 2:27:05.360 --> 2:27:08.240 somebody who expressed was what they were going through, their experiences, 2:27:08.320 --> 2:27:11.320 their feelings, their thoughts, and they have the talent to 2:27:12.080 --> 2:27:15.440 write it out freestyle or whatever it is. They had 2:27:15.520 --> 2:27:19.800 that talent to spit that out. Those thoughts and those feelings, 2:27:19.840 --> 2:27:24.360 those expressions never stop, you know, at any age. So 2:27:24.600 --> 2:27:26.600 for me, like you know whether I put a record 2:27:26.600 --> 2:27:28.920 out or whether or not. I'm I'm in my studio 2:27:28.959 --> 2:27:32.760 writing a rhyme, I'm saying around, I'm doing something, saying. 2:27:32.560 --> 2:27:33.840 Something in my mind. Whatever. 2:27:34.000 --> 2:27:40.119 So and when I produce a record, ten times out 2:27:40.160 --> 2:27:43.279 of ten, I made my own song to that beat. 2:27:43.120 --> 2:27:44.800 That I produced. I may be giving you the beat 2:27:44.959 --> 2:27:47.240 right right, right right, but in my mind it was 2:27:48.080 --> 2:27:50.040 this was a quame record. I heard you say earlier 2:27:50.120 --> 2:27:54.520 that you give the hooks. So those books, I can't 2:27:54.600 --> 2:27:57.280 make a beat without making a song, or at least 2:27:57.320 --> 2:27:57.920 making a hook. 2:27:59.480 --> 2:28:01.720 Now give you a hook that I probably would say, 2:28:01.720 --> 2:28:04.000 because we're two different types of artist. So I try 2:28:04.040 --> 2:28:08.320 to tap into your wavelane. But at the same time, 2:28:09.440 --> 2:28:11.600 it's still from that same approach, like if I was 2:28:11.640 --> 2:28:12.600 writing my own record. 2:28:13.800 --> 2:28:16.360 You gotta drink, Okay, yeah, I think they drink. Are 2:28:16.400 --> 2:28:19.280 you you to drink three times dope or Red Had 2:28:19.360 --> 2:28:23.360 king Finn? Oh shit, that's a good one man shit 2:28:23.560 --> 2:28:28.360 shit ship. What are you wonting for. You're gonna have 2:28:28.440 --> 2:28:29.000 to take a drink. 2:28:30.000 --> 2:28:32.000 But I'm gonna tell y'all some stories about Red Had 2:28:32.080 --> 2:28:38.920 Kingpin and three times dope, So three times dope, I'll 2:28:38.959 --> 2:28:43.160 go to redhad king Pin. First, well, my parents got divorced, 2:28:45.120 --> 2:28:49.480 my father remarried, and we moved out of East Elmhurst 2:28:50.480 --> 2:28:55.000 to Inglewood, New Jersey, Jersey. Shout out to Inglewood, New 2:28:55.080 --> 2:28:56.840 Jersey and Dwight Marrow High School. I'll telling you I 2:28:56.879 --> 2:29:01.240 went to a million high schools. So I'm at the 2:29:01.280 --> 2:29:05.200 whitemorrow and all my friends is like, you gotta meet 2:29:05.240 --> 2:29:05.960 all boy Dave. 2:29:06.080 --> 2:29:08.800 You're gonna love Dave like Dave. Like, yeah, you're gonna 2:29:08.840 --> 2:29:13.600 love Dave. So we go to Dave's house and Dave 2:29:13.640 --> 2:29:15.640 got kicked out of school. He was a bad kid. 2:29:16.440 --> 2:29:17.200 Dave's Redhead. 2:29:18.360 --> 2:29:22.240 So you know, he's the first dude that I hung 2:29:22.320 --> 2:29:24.920 out with in Jersey when I moved, you know, and 2:29:24.959 --> 2:29:26.920 I was kind of pissed, like, yo, I took me 2:29:27.040 --> 2:29:29.480 out of my element. I'm trying to make an album. 2:29:29.600 --> 2:29:31.880 You know, all my people in Queens and here I 2:29:31.920 --> 2:29:35.440 am in Inglewood, New Jersey. I don't know nobody, but 2:29:35.560 --> 2:29:44.480 I mean Redhead and me and Red Click Red. And 2:29:44.560 --> 2:29:49.000 when I tell you, man, like we were the crew man, 2:29:49.080 --> 2:29:49.280 like we. 2:29:49.280 --> 2:29:49.800 Would just we. 2:29:49.800 --> 2:29:52.880 Would be doing wolh like we were really wilding out 2:29:53.240 --> 2:29:58.920 in Jersey making music and the even funnier thing is 2:30:00.800 --> 2:30:05.920 my boy heard my demo demo to the song. Well 2:30:05.959 --> 2:30:07.720 this might be part of your next question, but so 2:30:07.800 --> 2:30:11.640 stop me if I if I'm going on and he 2:30:11.920 --> 2:30:13.920 and he was like, yo, you gotta let my mom 2:30:14.040 --> 2:30:17.040 hear your record, okay. And I was like, why I'm 2:30:17.040 --> 2:30:19.880 gonna let your mom here my record? He said, I 2:30:20.040 --> 2:30:23.680 let my mom here Dave's record too. I'm like, all right, whatever. 2:30:23.800 --> 2:30:25.959 So I go to his house. I pull up at 2:30:26.000 --> 2:30:29.840 his house. It's a straight up mansion. I didn't even notice. 2:30:30.320 --> 2:30:33.640 I see the magnum p I Ferrari in the front 2:30:33.840 --> 2:30:41.560 on on bricks, no tie, no, no. I see a 2:30:41.760 --> 2:30:46.200 Rose Royce. This is in the neighbor in another pocket 2:30:46.240 --> 2:30:46.880 of the neighborhood. 2:30:47.000 --> 2:30:47.960 I'm like, yo, what is this? 2:30:48.640 --> 2:30:50.320 So I open the door. I go to the door, 2:30:50.360 --> 2:30:55.119 and the butler come out. Butler come on in, see exactly. 2:30:56.160 --> 2:30:59.840 And then there was winding stairs and the mom comes 2:30:59.879 --> 2:31:00.920 down downstairs in her. 2:31:00.920 --> 2:31:04.720 Like robe and ship, and I'm like, yo, body time. 2:31:05.360 --> 2:31:09.840 Now like some of you know, extravagant shit is nobody. 2:31:10.200 --> 2:31:16.600 I'm like, that's Sylvia Robinson from sugar Hill Records. I'm like, yo, 2:31:17.560 --> 2:31:20.320 if it wasn't for this lady, we wouldn't have no 2:31:20.480 --> 2:31:25.480 rap records out her and her brother. Wow. So she 2:31:25.640 --> 2:31:29.320 was like, yeah, I remember with your friend Dave red Head, 2:31:29.360 --> 2:31:31.280 and you know he got a good record and I 2:31:31.680 --> 2:31:34.440 heard heard your record the Rhythm and I love that. 2:31:34.840 --> 2:31:36.440 And I'm starting a new label and I want you 2:31:36.440 --> 2:31:39.520 all to be on the label. So I was like, oh, 2:31:39.560 --> 2:31:40.920 where I get to be on the label with my 2:31:40.959 --> 2:31:42.560 best friend. He said, yeah, I got this other group, 2:31:42.680 --> 2:31:46.640 New Tribe. I was like, word, new Tribe, y'all look 2:31:46.680 --> 2:31:50.800 it up. Kid named Trench, Vinnie and KG. Of course 2:31:51.240 --> 2:31:55.280 that was original. Yeah, so it's gonna be. I forgot 2:31:55.480 --> 2:32:00.960 Naughty Me and Redhead on this new label called Bone 2:32:00.959 --> 2:32:02.600 of Me Records. And I'm like, wait, that don't even 2:32:02.640 --> 2:32:06.200 sound hip hop exactly exactly Bone on Me. 2:32:06.400 --> 2:32:15.720 That's well the contract. So at that same time, I 2:32:15.800 --> 2:32:17.720 know I'm going off on a tangent. But you told 2:32:17.760 --> 2:32:19.920 me to tell the story, telling me story. 2:32:19.760 --> 2:32:21.200 And he got to smoke at me. So I'm telling 2:32:21.320 --> 2:32:25.120 a whole lot of stuff. Let's go. So at that 2:32:25.360 --> 2:32:27.120 same time, I. 2:32:27.200 --> 2:32:31.920 Handed my demo to Herbie love Bug, and I my 2:32:32.080 --> 2:32:35.200 father was like, you should let one of his friends 2:32:35.560 --> 2:32:39.920 hear the demo. His wife work at Sony, So literally, 2:32:40.840 --> 2:32:43.320 Miss Robinson gives me a contract. It is literally two 2:32:43.360 --> 2:32:45.440 pages long. It's like some words in the front and 2:32:45.480 --> 2:32:48.480 in the back is the signing page. Then a couple 2:32:48.520 --> 2:32:50.920 of weeks later, Herbie says, Jo Atlantic wants to sign 2:32:50.959 --> 2:32:53.560 you up, sending you the contract that's three hundred and 2:32:53.640 --> 2:32:58.840 fifty pages long. Then my pop's friend calls me. Directors 2:32:58.879 --> 2:33:02.080 like interested in your album. We want to send you 2:33:02.120 --> 2:33:05.080 a contract. I didn't tell my pops. I didn't tell 2:33:05.080 --> 2:33:08.320 my pops about none of this. So I'm walking home 2:33:08.360 --> 2:33:10.840 from school every day with three contracts in my book 2:33:10.920 --> 2:33:13.760 back and I'm sitting baking on it. 2:33:13.800 --> 2:33:14.800 I don't even know what to do. 2:33:15.360 --> 2:33:18.320 But I knew what not to do was the Sylvia 2:33:18.440 --> 2:33:24.160 Robinson contract, because I was like, two pages, anything could 2:33:24.160 --> 2:33:25.920 be changing. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm like, this 2:33:26.040 --> 2:33:26.880 don't even look right. 2:33:27.800 --> 2:33:30.440 I mean, you know it might be though it wasn't 2:33:30.480 --> 2:33:32.280 the only company that was really think about it. 2:33:32.440 --> 2:33:33.920 Yeah, but I didn't like the name Bone of Me. 2:33:34.080 --> 2:33:37.440 I didn't think it was going to take off. I 2:33:37.520 --> 2:33:41.000 wanted ye, but had no tires. 2:33:44.000 --> 2:33:44.280 It was. 2:33:46.840 --> 2:33:49.080 So so I didn't I didn't know what to think. 2:33:49.320 --> 2:33:51.359 I didn't know if that was going to go overwhelm. 2:33:53.000 --> 2:33:56.160 So then I looked at the legacy of Atlantic Records. 2:33:56.160 --> 2:33:58.200 You know, some of my favorite artists were on Atlantic, 2:33:59.000 --> 2:34:00.360 So I was like, yo, I think I want to 2:34:00.400 --> 2:34:03.880 go there, and I know MC light was there, but 2:34:03.959 --> 2:34:06.480 I would have been the first rapper signed directly to 2:34:06.560 --> 2:34:07.400 Atlantic Records. 2:34:07.920 --> 2:34:10.240 So I was like, yeah, let's do it. And so 2:34:11.120 --> 2:34:16.000 so you saying this for yourself. Your parents are not 2:34:16.120 --> 2:34:18.280 involved in this. My parents who did they end up? 2:34:18.320 --> 2:34:19.960 But they have no they don't know. 2:34:20.480 --> 2:34:24.280 Divorce lawyer looked at my record contract, so that's what 2:34:24.360 --> 2:34:26.840 shows you what was going on. It was like it 2:34:26.959 --> 2:34:28.760 was still the divorce was you know, it was like 2:34:30.280 --> 2:34:32.960 my parents had gotten divorced. My pops just got remarried. 2:34:33.160 --> 2:34:34.800 But he was like, I know, a loyalist. She was 2:34:34.840 --> 2:34:39.560 just a divorce lawyer. Yeah, he just did the divorce 2:34:40.240 --> 2:34:42.600 and you know, and the divorce wasn't no ugly thing. 2:34:42.720 --> 2:34:45.320 So it was like, let's do that. And my moms 2:34:45.400 --> 2:34:45.720 was with it. 2:34:45.840 --> 2:34:50.240 So they technically had to sign the contract because I 2:34:50.280 --> 2:34:54.000 was young. I was, you know, sixteen, so so they 2:34:54.080 --> 2:34:57.240 had to sign the contract. But my choice was to 2:34:57.320 --> 2:35:00.440 go with Atlantic a because it was through Herbie. Herbie 2:35:00.600 --> 2:35:02.880 was you know, that was back in Queens. That was 2:35:02.920 --> 2:35:08.840 my home crew. Then I didn't know what was gonna 2:35:08.840 --> 2:35:16.320 go happened with the Boname stuff. Dave ended up read 2:35:16.320 --> 2:35:18.840 it ended up with Teddy Riley, so that he wasn't 2:35:18.840 --> 2:35:20.520 even gonna be I wasn't even gonna be on the 2:35:20.560 --> 2:35:23.280 label with my boy, and so it was just it 2:35:23.400 --> 2:35:25.160 is what it is. And I don't know if I 2:35:25.200 --> 2:35:27.200 don't know if Bonamy ever put out New Tribe. I 2:35:27.240 --> 2:35:29.560 know New Trip had an album, but I don't know 2:35:29.720 --> 2:35:31.840 if it was on that label. I gotta ask KG 2:35:32.040 --> 2:35:34.320 if that was on that label. But you know what 2:35:34.440 --> 2:35:38.720 they ended up turning into, so clearly Bonam didn't turn 2:35:38.800 --> 2:35:43.560 it into anything. Also bone me, Yeah, so but then 2:35:43.600 --> 2:35:48.000 you got three Times Done. Yeah, you know they could 2:35:48.000 --> 2:35:49.680 have put TI just I don't know what they was doing. 2:35:49.760 --> 2:35:53.360 They probably was in the middle of changing because they 2:35:53.440 --> 2:35:55.800 you know, they would think about sugar Hill Records sold 2:35:55.840 --> 2:35:57.920 a lot of records, so they had they their paper 2:35:58.040 --> 2:36:02.400 was right, and they had everybody's publishing. So but with 2:36:02.520 --> 2:36:07.520 three Times Dope, so three Times Dope, I'm already out, 2:36:07.560 --> 2:36:12.080 I'm already established, and they're like the first artists that 2:36:12.200 --> 2:36:15.320 I get real cool with that's not from my area area. 2:36:15.760 --> 2:36:21.160 If not, they're from Philly. So I would stay at 2:36:21.240 --> 2:36:25.040 the rapper Est. I would stay with him and his mom. Yeah, 2:36:25.080 --> 2:36:28.560 man I would stay at Yes, his house. Yes, would 2:36:28.560 --> 2:36:30.760 stay at my house. His mom would call me son. 2:36:30.840 --> 2:36:33.240 My mom would call him son. You know what I'm saying. 2:36:33.320 --> 2:36:39.080 So it's a different thing between me and them because 2:36:39.120 --> 2:36:41.800 Red is a part of my foundation and and and 2:36:42.040 --> 2:36:47.880 me my trying to make it where yes, Woodie and 2:36:49.000 --> 2:36:52.800 and and Chuck they are a part of like just 2:36:53.640 --> 2:36:55.560 artists with deals, just having fun together. 2:36:55.840 --> 2:37:02.160 So y'all gotta drink. You gotta know. So Lloyd Banks March. 2:37:05.760 --> 2:37:09.440 Pharaoh Munch because he's as a rapper or what were 2:37:09.480 --> 2:37:14.480 we talking about? So I give it to Pharaoh Manch 2:37:14.560 --> 2:37:18.360 because Para Manch is probably one of the illest rappers ever. 2:37:19.640 --> 2:37:21.800 And I think Banks is one of the illest rappers ever. 2:37:22.920 --> 2:37:26.400 But because me and Manch went to school together, Me 2:37:26.520 --> 2:37:27.320 and Mancha. 2:37:27.680 --> 2:37:29.920 Was Alba Boxer. Oh yeah, he was dope. 2:37:33.240 --> 2:37:36.520 He's He's also into the same things I'm into, like 2:37:36.640 --> 2:37:39.880 collecting noise and all that stuff. So we go to 2:37:40.000 --> 2:37:45.160 comic Con together, we're always on panels together, so it's 2:37:45.200 --> 2:37:50.480 always that that that connection. Yeah, I have never to 2:37:50.600 --> 2:37:53.800 this day, though we've sold over a million records, I've 2:37:53.840 --> 2:37:54.520 never met Banks. 2:37:55.520 --> 2:37:57.800 Really, I've never been in the rule with him. I've 2:37:57.879 --> 2:37:58.640 never seen him. 2:37:58.680 --> 2:38:02.200 I've never had any conversations with him, So I don't 2:38:02.200 --> 2:38:05.360 know if he picked the beat. I believe shot Money, 2:38:05.440 --> 2:38:07.360 Excel and Fifth pick the beat. 2:38:08.000 --> 2:38:08.520 I could see that. 2:38:08.840 --> 2:38:14.160 And when they recorded the record, they were on the tour, 2:38:14.879 --> 2:38:16.840 so I had to turn everything in. I had to 2:38:17.240 --> 2:38:19.320 go to a studio, lay the beat down, put it, 2:38:19.480 --> 2:38:23.039 you know, in tracks, and then send it to London Wow, 2:38:23.200 --> 2:38:27.640 where Banks did his vocals. So I was never I 2:38:27.760 --> 2:38:30.080 wasn't able to get I had something I wasn't able 2:38:30.120 --> 2:38:31.560 to get to London. It was like a session that 2:38:31.680 --> 2:38:34.040 was going on. They told me go to the studio 2:38:34.080 --> 2:38:36.120 on Tuesday, and we're recording on a Wednesday. I was like, 2:38:36.160 --> 2:38:38.880 there's no way I was able to get. So I 2:38:39.000 --> 2:38:43.760 couldn't really be the producer that I'm normally that I 2:38:43.879 --> 2:38:48.920 normally am. And it's got to be how long ago. 2:38:49.120 --> 2:38:53.640 This is two thousand and four, so twenty one years ago. 2:38:54.200 --> 2:38:56.840 The classic record I've never met. I've never met Banks. 2:38:56.840 --> 2:38:58.160 I would love to, you know, love to meet him. 2:38:58.480 --> 2:39:00.959 You got twenty one questions why you ain't meet Lloyd Banks? Yeah, 2:39:00.959 --> 2:39:09.280 the drum line or coach Carter? He worked on both, right, 2:39:12.360 --> 2:39:16.640 I never saw coach Carter drum line. I know you'd 2:39:16.640 --> 2:39:24.720 be a foulon. I tell you that. What is Coach 2:39:24.760 --> 2:39:28.560 Carter about Samuel being about Coach Carter? 2:39:29.720 --> 2:39:31.640 Is he like is he in the city coming into 2:39:31.800 --> 2:39:36.160 Colds with a young minority group of kids, losing season, 2:39:36.280 --> 2:39:39.560 losing team, and he overcomes them as young grown. 2:39:39.400 --> 2:39:43.359 Men and educated in students and athletes. There you go watch, 2:39:44.280 --> 2:39:46.960 I gotta watch that. I've never I felt like it's 2:39:47.000 --> 2:39:50.760 like lean on me. But with sports, that's exactly what 2:39:50.840 --> 2:39:55.400 it is. That's agreed anology. Colombo, colosseum all day. I 2:39:55.480 --> 2:39:57.840 get you get ballets, you go there for a hundred 2:39:57.879 --> 2:40:01.240 dollars ballots you're talking about to t twenty eighty dollars. 2:40:01.760 --> 2:40:04.640 You get shirtcash shirtcanes, you can get your chain, You 2:40:04.800 --> 2:40:05.760 get a picture. 2:40:05.680 --> 2:40:07.879 You take a girl, you and your girlfriend dressed the same. 2:40:08.000 --> 2:40:11.840 Y'all go to college and take the picture together looking crazy. 2:40:15.080 --> 2:40:22.280 New Jack City or juice juice, aren't you the soundtrack 2:40:22.320 --> 2:40:25.320 of one of these. No, no, I could have swore 2:40:25.400 --> 2:40:27.440 you on New Jack City soundtrack if I am. 2:40:27.520 --> 2:40:31.920 I don't know it, but Juice, because Juice reminded me 2:40:31.959 --> 2:40:36.040 of people. I actually knew an area in Harlem that 2:40:36.120 --> 2:40:37.480 I would actually hang out in. 2:40:37.600 --> 2:40:43.480 So I feel like it was a connection where Nino Brown. 2:40:46.000 --> 2:40:48.800 We all knew who our neighborhood Nino Browns were, but 2:40:48.879 --> 2:40:50.640 they weren't like Nino Brown. 2:40:50.720 --> 2:40:52.960 You know what I'm saying. It wasn't it was. It 2:40:53.080 --> 2:40:56.640 was like a fantasize. Yeah, it wasn't like but it 2:40:56.760 --> 2:41:00.760 wasn't too far off. Yeah yeah, but right up, No, 2:41:00.879 --> 2:41:02.800 it was. I'm sure it was a little bit. 2:41:03.360 --> 2:41:07.000 Yeah, but it was very It was very like you 2:41:07.040 --> 2:41:09.480 ever used to watch the eighties or nineties movie about 2:41:09.600 --> 2:41:12.840 rapping but didn't have no real rappers, Like you. 2:41:12.879 --> 2:41:13.760 Know what I'm saying. It was. 2:41:16.480 --> 2:41:23.280 We could understand it, but it wasn't exactly you know, 2:41:23.440 --> 2:41:26.959 I'm from everywhere. You got cast like Preame and Fat 2:41:27.080 --> 2:41:31.320 Cat and you know Paul, all these cats is you 2:41:31.400 --> 2:41:32.519 know in Harlem. 2:41:32.720 --> 2:41:36.680 Like we're seeing this in real life. We're seeing that 2:41:36.840 --> 2:41:39.040 crack era ain't nothing to play with. 2:41:39.280 --> 2:41:43.080 And when we're kids we're seeing it in real time, 2:41:44.160 --> 2:41:46.240 and we're seeing something like you come up to Harlem, 2:41:46.640 --> 2:41:48.640 you go to South Side, you going to basically you 2:41:48.760 --> 2:41:53.039 go different spots. You see some things and you hear 2:41:53.120 --> 2:42:02.080 about some things that no movie has ever depicted. So 2:42:02.240 --> 2:42:04.080 you watched you know Brown, It's like, all right, this 2:42:04.160 --> 2:42:07.560 is watered down. This is water down life that we 2:42:07.680 --> 2:42:08.840 singing for real? 2:42:08.920 --> 2:42:09.280 For real? 2:42:10.440 --> 2:42:13.040 Where's something about juice? It's like you always everybody got 2:42:13.120 --> 2:42:15.360 that crew. They got that one kid and the crew. 2:42:15.440 --> 2:42:19.320 That's like Bishop Tupac. You know, there's that one you know, 2:42:19.400 --> 2:42:21.760 the one kid and the crew. Like, oh, I wanted 2:42:21.800 --> 2:42:23.720 to try to try to get out of it. It 2:42:23.800 --> 2:42:27.160 was a DJ trying to do his thing. And they 2:42:27.240 --> 2:42:30.640 reminded me of my friends. They reminded my Brooklyn friends, 2:42:30.680 --> 2:42:32.440 reminded me of my Queen's friends. They reminded me of 2:42:32.480 --> 2:42:35.640 my Harlem friends. And it was like I can relate 2:42:35.680 --> 2:42:37.120 to this where just like I couldn't. 2:42:38.160 --> 2:42:39.960 I don't know, like, for example, I can ask a 2:42:40.040 --> 2:42:45.039 Cali dude was Minister Society, real was boys in the hood. 2:42:45.120 --> 2:42:49.520 Real, I can't relate to me. It's all a Hollywood thing, 2:42:49.640 --> 2:42:51.760 but for somebody that was really in that game. 2:42:51.800 --> 2:42:55.440 I always wondered, like, look at this about American me 2:42:55.520 --> 2:42:58.000 and blood, like we didn't know which is what. 2:42:58.200 --> 2:43:02.840 So yeah, diferent reasons though why we still didn't know 2:43:02.879 --> 2:43:16.240 which is what? Track Masters or hit Man, my mom. 2:43:18.879 --> 2:43:20.200 I want to say, I wanted to y to take 2:43:20.200 --> 2:43:23.360 a drink, but I think I drink anyway. 2:43:26.080 --> 2:43:29.640 Y'all can take a drink. But this is why, guys, 2:43:29.720 --> 2:43:35.520 let us go track masters for the most part. First, 2:43:35.640 --> 2:43:37.199 let's go with my man Red Hot Love. 2:43:37.120 --> 2:43:39.959 Of Tone Tone track Master Tone for those who. 2:43:39.840 --> 2:43:43.800 Are Yeah, he was a blueprint for what I was 2:43:43.879 --> 2:43:47.320 trying to do at the time. Him and Prince Marqui 2:43:47.360 --> 2:43:53.080 d from the Fat Boys were artists that became major producers. 2:43:53.480 --> 2:43:53.720 Wow. 2:43:54.360 --> 2:43:58.320 So when I'm in my between period trying to figure 2:43:58.360 --> 2:44:01.959 it out, Yeah, and he wasn't he was down here was. 2:44:04.040 --> 2:44:10.000 Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know super that that's my guy. Man. Man, So. 2:44:12.280 --> 2:44:17.360 Looking at Mark, looking at Tone gave me the battery 2:44:17.440 --> 2:44:19.480 to say I can do that as well as well. 2:44:19.560 --> 2:44:21.960 Yes, you know, if I just got to break through 2:44:22.000 --> 2:44:24.320 the barrier and I can get these records soul and 2:44:24.440 --> 2:44:26.920 I can do that too. And Tom tried to sit 2:44:27.040 --> 2:44:29.160 me down, like yo, man, get off. Stop rhyming on 2:44:29.240 --> 2:44:32.760 those beasts. Take it from me. Sell that ship the 2:44:32.800 --> 2:44:35.240 second time. Somebody else tell you that. No, no, no, 2:44:36.200 --> 2:44:38.480 Ron Anton, they both tell me at the same time, 2:44:38.879 --> 2:44:39.520 sell that. 2:44:40.120 --> 2:44:46.440 So here you got Tone telling me that's track masters, Pope, 2:44:46.600 --> 2:44:49.560 Me and Pok' I'm loving how Pop makes his beat. 2:44:49.800 --> 2:44:52.960 Poker is a focused dude. He's all about his beat, 2:44:53.040 --> 2:44:53.800 super focused. 2:44:54.560 --> 2:44:57.360 Then you got the hit man. Ron is one of 2:44:57.400 --> 2:45:01.920 the hit men. He's telling me the same. Yeah, he's 2:45:01.959 --> 2:45:04.600 from my block and I'm listening to him. I know 2:45:05.280 --> 2:45:11.280 D Dot, but at the same time, they both were rappers. 2:45:11.360 --> 2:45:16.520 Two Kings in the Cipher, Yeah they were. Yeah, he's 2:45:16.560 --> 2:45:18.880 the mad rapper. But D Dot and Ron were in 2:45:18.959 --> 2:45:22.480 a group called Two Kings in the Cipher and it 2:45:22.640 --> 2:45:25.360 didn't work out the way they wanted it to work out, 2:45:26.240 --> 2:45:27.360 so they switched gears. 2:45:27.560 --> 2:45:29.720 And I remember I would go up to Howard University. 2:45:29.760 --> 2:45:32.760 I would see d I would see Ron, and they 2:45:32.800 --> 2:45:35.440 would have the MPs in the NPCs, in the in the. 2:45:35.600 --> 2:45:38.400 In the dorm room. They were getting there. They were 2:45:38.560 --> 2:45:45.280 they were so so you know, that's how far back 2:45:45.320 --> 2:45:48.800 I go with them guys, all of them so so. 2:45:51.920 --> 2:46:00.360 They Ron especially and Tone especially heavily influenced and Ron 2:46:00.520 --> 2:46:04.520 being a part of my resurgence into the music industry, 2:46:05.480 --> 2:46:08.160 and Tone willing to be a part of my resurgence. 2:46:08.879 --> 2:46:11.320 I can't put one over the other. I gotta, you know, 2:46:11.360 --> 2:46:12.920 I gotta give it to them. And I love I 2:46:13.080 --> 2:46:15.640 just loved all their records. There's no records that they 2:46:15.720 --> 2:46:17.960 made that I didn't know. I didn't wrong. I respect that. 2:46:18.080 --> 2:46:20.120 So we're going to do one last multal Greig time slime. 2:46:20.160 --> 2:46:22.160 Do you jump back back into that? Okay? Okay, all right, 2:46:22.600 --> 2:46:23.120 I was about to. 2:46:23.080 --> 2:46:24.320 Give you a warning, but I'm not gonna give you 2:46:24.320 --> 2:46:27.279 a warning because he says, I lead the witness. 2:46:28.800 --> 2:46:30.359 Loyalty or respect. 2:46:31.879 --> 2:46:36.440 Respect, Okay, because with respect brings loyalty, and the people 2:46:36.480 --> 2:46:38.800 that are loyalty you will always be disloyal. 2:46:38.480 --> 2:46:40.040 To you at some point when they don't get the 2:46:40.080 --> 2:46:41.200 same respect that you get. 2:46:43.240 --> 2:46:47.320 Understand that, say that the people that are loyal to 2:46:47.400 --> 2:46:49.400 you don't get the same respect that you get, or 2:46:49.440 --> 2:46:51.720 feel that you're getting more respect to them than them, 2:46:52.920 --> 2:46:56.960 their loyalty will leave you. So you always got to 2:46:57.040 --> 2:47:07.000 have respect because with respect, people understand. And it's not 2:47:07.120 --> 2:47:11.119 wrong with this because There's another part to it. People 2:47:11.240 --> 2:47:16.200 understand when you have respect that they should deal with you. 2:47:17.000 --> 2:47:18.520 They don't have to like you, they. 2:47:18.440 --> 2:47:20.200 Don't have to love you, they don't have to be 2:47:20.320 --> 2:47:22.320 loyal to you, but they know it means something to 2:47:22.440 --> 2:47:24.440 them and they'll do something for them if they deal 2:47:24.520 --> 2:47:27.800 with you because they respect you. You understand when they 2:47:27.920 --> 2:47:31.400 just loyal to you, anything will happen. I didn't want 2:47:31.440 --> 2:47:33.240 to tell you your girls cheating on you because I'm 2:47:33.280 --> 2:47:35.920 loyal to you and I like you. I don't want 2:47:35.959 --> 2:47:36.600 you to kick me out. 2:47:36.600 --> 2:47:37.960 You know something like that. You know what I'm saying. 2:47:38.160 --> 2:47:41.120 You wouldn't get all that kind of awareness. But the 2:47:41.240 --> 2:47:44.640 respect thing is something different. 2:47:46.240 --> 2:47:47.800 Now, what I do believe is. 2:47:49.760 --> 2:47:51.800 With your respect, I'm about to sound like little Kim, 2:47:52.240 --> 2:47:56.760 what respect comes power. With your respect, you bring about 2:47:56.760 --> 2:47:59.800 a certain level of power, and you can bring a 2:47:59.840 --> 2:48:03.000 long the people who are loyal to you and give 2:48:03.080 --> 2:48:05.920 them ways to come up right status. 2:48:06.200 --> 2:48:09.120 Yeah, but you can't do that unless you have the respect. 2:48:10.160 --> 2:48:12.280 A bunch of loyal people can be a bunch of 2:48:12.320 --> 2:48:14.680 loyal people in an aparkment in seven A and Baisley 2:48:15.240 --> 2:48:17.360 wishing the day came out because they all loyal to 2:48:17.440 --> 2:48:19.480 each other and they're just sitting around. 2:48:19.920 --> 2:48:20.640 So so. 2:48:22.720 --> 2:48:25.960 You got to have respect first, like you can't you 2:48:26.000 --> 2:48:27.680 can't buy furniture and you don't how the house. 2:48:28.480 --> 2:48:30.920 So now let's talk the rhythm because we were in 2:48:31.920 --> 2:48:34.080 I've been wanting to know how you put this record 2:48:34.120 --> 2:48:36.080 together for Abosore Okay, okay. 2:48:36.080 --> 2:48:36.160 So. 2:48:37.920 --> 2:48:43.040 How does this come about? So the rhythm shouts to 2:48:43.120 --> 2:48:45.880 my boy Tommel. So, so we were living in this 2:48:46.040 --> 2:48:47.760 building complex. 2:48:47.840 --> 2:48:51.440 Anybody in Corona, Queens knows this building called Dory Miller 2:48:52.280 --> 2:48:55.360 and we lived in Dory Miller fun Factor. Across the 2:48:55.360 --> 2:48:57.560 street was a building called Metal Manor and most of 2:48:58.440 --> 2:49:04.480 most of main source lived in Metal man So, so. 2:49:04.800 --> 2:49:08.400 Uh, tom El's father. 2:49:10.160 --> 2:49:12.199 And if I want to figure out what Tom ELL's 2:49:12.240 --> 2:49:15.080 father looks like, does anybody know that show Family Guy? 2:49:15.360 --> 2:49:18.520 Yeah? Okay, the cartoon, Yeah, ok Who's the black guy 2:49:18.600 --> 2:49:23.360 on the Family Guy? Cleveland Brown. Tom El's father looked 2:49:23.560 --> 2:49:28.920 exactly like Cleveland Brown. He looks like him, and he sounds, 2:49:29.400 --> 2:49:30.160 you know, exactly. 2:49:30.240 --> 2:49:33.879 Think somebody took Tom Hill's father and made Cleveland Brown. 2:49:34.440 --> 2:49:36.400 So when I tell the story, y'all can put Cleveland 2:49:36.440 --> 2:49:40.200 Brown in your head. So, so, his dad used to 2:49:40.240 --> 2:49:43.640 have all these records, all these jazz records, all these 2:49:43.680 --> 2:49:47.960 different kind of records, and we'd be in there and 2:49:48.360 --> 2:49:50.200 and I'm looking at his records, and he would come 2:49:50.240 --> 2:49:52.039 and he every time I would go there, he would 2:49:52.040 --> 2:49:55.880 be going to work. Okay, Tom, okay, crime, don't be 2:49:56.000 --> 2:49:56.880 touching my records. 2:49:57.280 --> 2:49:59.520 Held leave and so soon as he close the door, like, 2:49:59.560 --> 2:50:02.320 don't see that record. And I played so one record 2:50:02.320 --> 2:50:10.520 I played. I put it on. I was like, Yo, 2:50:10.720 --> 2:50:12.920 what is this. I said, hold up, my dad just bought. 2:50:12.959 --> 2:50:15.240 I said, I need that record. He's like, yo, my 2:50:15.360 --> 2:50:17.640 dad is gonna kill I said, I need that record. Man. 2:50:18.080 --> 2:50:21.600 He said, well, I said, yo, Papa just went to work. 2:50:21.680 --> 2:50:23.560 He don't he don't know what's going to be going. 2:50:24.520 --> 2:50:28.840 He said, just wait, just wait. So flash forward. I 2:50:28.959 --> 2:50:31.040 knew how I wanted to use that record, and I 2:50:31.120 --> 2:50:33.560 did the whole beat in my head. I use a 2:50:33.640 --> 2:50:37.080 piece of James Brown funky drummer, I use a piece 2:50:37.120 --> 2:50:41.360 of the staple singers, no, no, no, no no. I 2:50:41.480 --> 2:50:44.680 knew I wanted to use that sample. I didn't remember 2:50:44.760 --> 2:50:47.560 the name of the record. I knew it was a 2:50:48.360 --> 2:50:52.440 Bob James record with a ladybug on the cover. That's 2:50:52.440 --> 2:50:54.720 all I said, the Ladybug record. That's what I called it. 2:50:55.959 --> 2:50:58.760 So I'm gonna get that record. So and I didn't 2:50:58.760 --> 2:51:00.920 remember an artist name either. I just knew the Lady Bug. 2:51:02.320 --> 2:51:04.920 So I thought about the best of the beat. I 2:51:05.000 --> 2:51:06.760 wrote the rhymes, and then I called to him. I 2:51:06.800 --> 2:51:09.520 was like, Yo, when's your dad going to work? Because 2:51:09.560 --> 2:51:10.520 I had studio time. 2:51:11.000 --> 2:51:13.440 So but you do didn't have the record? No, I said, 2:51:13.480 --> 2:51:16.039 what time your dad going to work? He's like six, 2:51:16.600 --> 2:51:19.760 I'm gonna be there six fifteen. I went to his house, 2:51:19.760 --> 2:51:21.720 I said, give me my record. I jacked the record, 2:51:22.600 --> 2:51:25.240 went to the studio because he worked over nights. 2:51:25.800 --> 2:51:28.360 I went to the studio, sampled it and gave it, 2:51:28.600 --> 2:51:32.039 gave him back the record before before the record before 2:51:32.080 --> 2:51:33.880 his pops came home, before his pops even knew it. 2:51:34.200 --> 2:51:35.959 That's how I got That's how I sampled that record 2:51:36.000 --> 2:51:37.400 and made the rhythm. Jius. 2:51:39.560 --> 2:51:41.720 I think I gave the record back. I think I 2:51:41.840 --> 2:51:44.200 gave the record. I can't so if I didn't give 2:51:44.200 --> 2:51:46.400 a record record, mister Waynam, I'm sorry. 2:51:47.640 --> 2:51:49.840 I was hearing you or I was hearing you on 2:51:49.920 --> 2:51:51.560 a show right, and I believe it. 2:51:52.640 --> 2:51:56.040 It was something like Uh, I wish I would have 2:51:56.120 --> 2:51:57.640 said things that I wish I would have said, or 2:51:57.680 --> 2:52:01.320 something like that, right, all things that like, Right, is 2:52:01.400 --> 2:52:03.840 there something that is there something that you wish you 2:52:03.879 --> 2:52:04.360 would have did? 2:52:04.640 --> 2:52:07.560 Is this something that you regret? 2:52:08.000 --> 2:52:11.120 Perhaps, well, back to back to what we were saying earlier, 2:52:11.120 --> 2:52:12.760 I wish I had a line of pokono. 2:52:13.600 --> 2:52:16.400 You know what I'm saying, merch merch, And I wish 2:52:16.560 --> 2:52:19.039 I would have see. 2:52:19.040 --> 2:52:22.840 I can't say I wish because I think I can 2:52:22.879 --> 2:52:26.600 say I wish I had somebody to teach me what 2:52:26.800 --> 2:52:31.480 I know now. But at the same time, I don't 2:52:31.480 --> 2:52:34.960 have any any regrets because everything that happened to me, 2:52:35.080 --> 2:52:39.440 good and bad, allowed me to be at this podcast today. 2:52:39.680 --> 2:52:43.760 Everything led up to this. And I'm not I'm not 2:52:44.600 --> 2:52:47.560 glazing or nothing. I'm telling y'all the truth. Everything led 2:52:47.640 --> 2:52:50.080 up to this because this was a podcast that I've 2:52:50.080 --> 2:52:51.040 always wanted to be on. 2:52:52.680 --> 2:52:58.240 This is your show. Continue, I'm sorry, And and. 2:53:00.080 --> 2:53:03.400 I had a list of goals, and this podcast was 2:53:03.440 --> 2:53:06.720 on the list of goals. It wasn't and it wasn't 2:53:06.840 --> 2:53:09.960 like and it's on my studio wall. I'll DM you 2:53:10.040 --> 2:53:17.280 a picture. And and I know that we connected on 2:53:17.400 --> 2:53:18.640 the toy toy level. 2:53:18.520 --> 2:53:20.640 Thing and everything. We gotta speak about the toys. But 2:53:20.920 --> 2:53:24.040 it wasn't no thing where it was like to be 2:53:24.080 --> 2:53:25.480 on your show. Can I be able to show anything 2:53:25.520 --> 2:53:27.760 like that? I wanted? I wanted to earn a slot. No, 2:53:28.160 --> 2:53:31.440 we requested you. You didn't have to earn a slight 2:53:32.480 --> 2:53:33.200 already long ter. 2:53:35.040 --> 2:53:37.880 Organically, Yeah, we're gonna make it, you know, like when 2:53:37.920 --> 2:53:40.240 we book guests, right this, this, this has been my 2:53:40.360 --> 2:53:44.000 most funnest time. Right, Like, sometimes I go to the airport, 2:53:44.120 --> 2:53:46.160 right and a person will come up to me. One 2:53:46.200 --> 2:53:48.480 person will know who I am, and another person won't, right, 2:53:48.760 --> 2:53:50.600 and they'll be like, well, the other person will be like, 2:53:50.640 --> 2:53:51.160 well who is you? 2:53:51.720 --> 2:53:54.040 And I'd be like, I can't describe who exactly, Like 2:53:54.080 --> 2:53:56.119 if you don't know who I am, then your friend 2:53:56.160 --> 2:53:56.600 should tell you. 2:53:57.480 --> 2:53:59.040 So when I was doing that, and when I was 2:53:59.160 --> 2:54:01.840 saying like, you know, up to the weeks of having 2:54:01.879 --> 2:54:03.880 you booked, and when I kept saying that whenever a 2:54:03.959 --> 2:54:10.040 person didn't know, I felt so enjoyed. Weighed it down, 2:54:10.200 --> 2:54:12.000 like I was like, yo, this is you had the 2:54:12.080 --> 2:54:13.800 whole eraror like, and I was sitting there and I 2:54:13.920 --> 2:54:16.920 was like, I felt so good yea explaining to a 2:54:17.000 --> 2:54:18.840 person who didn't know I'm trying to tell you. 2:54:19.240 --> 2:54:23.000 But yeah, yeah, so uh so you said you had 2:54:23.040 --> 2:54:23.520 no regrets. 2:54:23.600 --> 2:54:25.760 Yeah, so this is no regrets man, because it's like 2:54:26.680 --> 2:54:29.320 I believe in I believe in that universal law, like 2:54:29.400 --> 2:54:31.600 everything happens all at once. So it's like you gotta 2:54:32.840 --> 2:54:39.320 every mistake, every mistake you make leads to a future success, right, period, period. 2:54:39.400 --> 2:54:43.360 You can go outside tomorrow, break your leg right. I'm 2:54:43.400 --> 2:54:47.120 not wishing this on you. You're trying to run a marathon. Now, 2:54:47.160 --> 2:54:49.080 you can't run the manthon you do it, but you 2:54:49.160 --> 2:54:52.600 found out something crazy happened after Marilon marathon that. 2:54:52.720 --> 2:54:54.880 Helped you and you couldn't make it in so but 2:54:55.400 --> 2:54:58.240 you was able to do something bigger. Yeah, but you're. 2:54:58.080 --> 2:55:00.360 Gonna run the marathon and you're gonna do all the way. 2:55:00.440 --> 2:55:06.720 So so that's what I believe. I just believe that 2:55:07.760 --> 2:55:10.560 everything leads to a point, you know, and and so 2:55:10.720 --> 2:55:12.560 I can never I don't look backwards. 2:55:12.560 --> 2:55:14.880 The only thing, the only thing I look back on. 2:55:16.200 --> 2:55:17.720 I will say this. I say this regret. 2:55:18.760 --> 2:55:22.440 I allowed management and record labels to tell me what 2:55:22.640 --> 2:55:24.720 hip hop was supposed to do and where hip hop 2:55:24.920 --> 2:55:28.160 was going, and I didn't pay attention to it. 2:55:28.640 --> 2:55:32.039 So for example, yourself, Yeah, I'm not I'm not. 2:55:32.120 --> 2:55:36.240 Listening to myself. So I'll give you a perfect example. 2:55:39.920 --> 2:55:47.640 Low end theory comes out question and fellow queens, We're 2:55:47.680 --> 2:55:51.440 in the studio making an album and it's you know, 2:55:52.360 --> 2:55:56.560 happy dancing type of hip hop, and then somebody brings 2:55:56.600 --> 2:55:58.920 the low end theory and they play it. 2:55:59.840 --> 2:56:02.000 I'm like, this shit is the truth. 2:56:03.320 --> 2:56:06.400 And then listening to somebody for management, that shit is 2:56:06.440 --> 2:56:09.960 never gonna work. Oh, they're never gonna get on the 2:56:10.080 --> 2:56:12.800 radio with that. Wow, they're never gonna go on tour 2:56:12.920 --> 2:56:15.440 with that. They're never gonna get a Grammy with that. 2:56:17.280 --> 2:56:19.200 And in my mind, I'm like, I am going in 2:56:19.320 --> 2:56:23.400 the wrong direction. I saw it, you know what I'm saying. 2:56:23.480 --> 2:56:27.880 So I'm literally cutting my own career short for not 2:56:28.120 --> 2:56:31.680 paying attention to where hip hop is going. I know 2:56:31.760 --> 2:56:34.200 where it's going. I'm only nineteen at the time, Like, 2:56:34.280 --> 2:56:37.160 I'm not in the clouds. I don't see nothing, you know, 2:56:37.320 --> 2:56:38.640 I'm still on the train. 2:56:38.800 --> 2:56:39.240 I'm in it. 2:56:40.600 --> 2:56:42.800 I see that people are stopping to wear suits, stopping 2:56:42.840 --> 2:56:45.440 the suits and putting on the jabos and the brief 2:56:45.480 --> 2:56:48.720 and Broccolis and the Snowbeach or whatever I see it. 2:56:49.120 --> 2:56:51.760 I know what's happening. I know low heads, and I 2:56:51.920 --> 2:56:55.600 know what's going on. And it could have been an 2:56:55.600 --> 2:56:58.560 easy transition for me because I could have implemented my 2:56:58.720 --> 2:57:00.760 thing in with it, because I'm of the age. I'm 2:57:00.760 --> 2:57:03.760 not an older guy trying to look young. But I'm 2:57:03.800 --> 2:57:04.560 not paying attention. 2:57:04.680 --> 2:57:08.400 I'm not listening to myself, and I'm listening to people 2:57:08.480 --> 2:57:10.080 like you gotta put this singing hook, and you gotta 2:57:10.280 --> 2:57:12.560 people dance, and the an R and all this kind 2:57:12.600 --> 2:57:14.000 of stuff. You gotta make it happy. 2:57:14.800 --> 2:57:17.000 And then the same an R and this, which is 2:57:17.080 --> 2:57:22.000 funny when that that album, I'm not gonna say it 2:57:22.040 --> 2:57:24.680 didn't do well. It's my third album called Nasty. They 2:57:24.720 --> 2:57:27.200 did all right for the time, but it wasn't no 2:57:27.360 --> 2:57:32.760 low end Theory, you know what I'm saying. It was yeah, yeah, exactly. 2:57:33.520 --> 2:57:36.040 And then on top of that, so low in Theory 2:57:36.120 --> 2:57:40.680 comes out, then Nordy comes out, then Ill Manic comes out. 2:57:41.280 --> 2:57:45.600 And then the an R sit me down and they're like, hey, 2:57:45.760 --> 2:57:47.840 we're just I think you should toughen it up a 2:57:47.879 --> 2:57:51.200 little bit, like you he said, you know what, you know, 2:57:51.320 --> 2:57:53.840 put some braids in that flat type people, you know, 2:57:55.200 --> 2:57:58.880 like they was literally they literally was telling me this, 2:57:59.240 --> 2:58:01.959 You're like, you know it was the tough of music. Yeah, 2:58:02.040 --> 2:58:05.520 like start you know, maybe like there's some Tims in 2:58:05.600 --> 2:58:15.000 a baseball batch, ain't your cousin? Yeah, yes, exactly. And 2:58:15.280 --> 2:58:17.360 and at that time he was trying to rap. So 2:58:17.440 --> 2:58:19.880 we was working, we was working on some stuff. But 2:58:20.959 --> 2:58:25.680 but it was weird how the flip flop of these 2:58:25.720 --> 2:58:29.840 record labels was and you know, very interesting. 2:58:29.959 --> 2:58:32.560 So that was probably my regret not listening to myself 2:58:33.000 --> 2:58:36.560 and not going with my gut. Even though I'm never 2:58:36.600 --> 2:58:39.000 going to regret a record that I made, I'm going 2:58:39.080 --> 2:58:42.080 to regret that I didn't pivot when I had a 2:58:42.240 --> 2:58:43.160 clear lane. 2:58:42.959 --> 2:58:44.320 To pivot, you know. 2:58:44.480 --> 2:58:50.600 So, so like I heard ghost Face say recently, I 2:58:50.640 --> 2:58:51.640 don't know if it's recently, but. 2:58:51.640 --> 2:58:54.920 He said that, you know, rapture half categories. 2:58:54.959 --> 2:58:56.920 It should it should just be just hip hop, like 2:58:57.000 --> 2:58:59.880 it should be contemporary hip hop maybe maybe all you know, 2:59:00.080 --> 2:59:02.800 classic hip hop, maybe you know what I mean, new 2:59:02.920 --> 2:59:03.720 school hip hop. 2:59:04.400 --> 2:59:05.640 Do you feel like you. 2:59:05.760 --> 2:59:08.120 Created a genre of hip hop? Because like when you 2:59:08.240 --> 2:59:10.959 look at look at your music and you look at 2:59:11.720 --> 2:59:14.560 of your career like it was non threatening. Right now, 2:59:14.600 --> 2:59:16.640 you got people like par Real who made a whole 2:59:16.680 --> 2:59:17.320 career off. 2:59:17.200 --> 2:59:19.160 Of like kind of like being non threatening. 2:59:19.440 --> 2:59:21.560 And then there's others other people like you know, I 2:59:21.600 --> 2:59:24.080 would like to say Lupe Fiasco kind of like made 2:59:24.200 --> 2:59:27.240 his career like being non threatn and so on and 2:59:27.360 --> 2:59:30.600 so forth. There's like a whole new version of Native Tongue. 2:59:30.800 --> 2:59:32.240 But I feel like it started with you. 2:59:32.840 --> 2:59:37.240 I think I think between me and Native Tongue. 2:59:37.280 --> 2:59:41.640 So say, for example, my album came out two months 2:59:41.680 --> 2:59:45.199 before Three Feet High and Rise, so eighty nine. 2:59:45.080 --> 2:59:49.560 You have these two two groups, Three Higher Wise and 2:59:49.600 --> 2:59:53.680 that's yes, and that really kind of like you know, 2:59:53.720 --> 2:59:57.200 the Jungle Brothers really ushered it in first, but day 2:59:57.520 --> 2:59:59.640 really yeah, beld it yeah, And you know. 2:59:59.680 --> 3:00:02.080 This is a platinum album, this album that's killing it. 3:00:02.680 --> 3:00:07.439 And I think with Dayli, they spoke to a certain audience, 3:00:07.680 --> 3:00:10.040 you know, like the afro centric you know, just like 3:00:10.400 --> 3:00:13.320 the audience, the rap audience that wasn't trying to be 3:00:13.879 --> 3:00:16.879 status quo. But they weren't trying to be gangsters. They 3:00:16.959 --> 3:00:19.800 were on their intellectual stuff. They were on their straight 3:00:19.920 --> 3:00:22.480 hip hop stuff at the same time, no gimmicks it 3:00:22.560 --> 3:00:25.400 was just raw, like just them being them. 3:00:26.200 --> 3:00:30.680 And I think I what I represented is more like 3:00:30.800 --> 3:00:35.160 the nerds and the geeks and all the dudes that 3:00:35.200 --> 3:00:37.640 were overdressed in school and you know, like. 3:00:39.440 --> 3:00:42.680 Like I was the younger generation because you always had 3:00:42.720 --> 3:00:53.360 your cane and like an l like the jocks, and 3:00:53.920 --> 3:00:58.280 so you know, I represented that. I represented, you know, 3:00:58.400 --> 3:01:01.360 the kids that may have of love hip hop but 3:01:01.440 --> 3:01:03.879 didn't fit in with that whole gangster say at all. 3:01:04.720 --> 3:01:09.800 And I think that DNA spilled into a Kanye for sure, 3:01:09.920 --> 3:01:12.400 Like you'll see footage of twelve year old Kanye dressed 3:01:12.440 --> 3:01:17.359 like me, you know what I'm saying, and or Pharrell 3:01:18.160 --> 3:01:21.279 or you know, Pharrell will credit tried. 3:01:21.400 --> 3:01:23.680 But I just think that still there's a lot of 3:01:24.160 --> 3:01:26.840 things that I've done. I see. 3:01:29.080 --> 3:01:32.640 There's a lot of even I know this for a fact, 3:01:32.680 --> 3:01:37.480 a lot of of ways that puff with maneuver, like 3:01:37.520 --> 3:01:41.640 as far as clothing and and and showman ship and 3:01:41.680 --> 3:01:43.200 stuff like that. I know for a fact he got 3:01:43.280 --> 3:01:49.440 from what I was doing. And then those those artists, 3:01:49.440 --> 3:01:52.320 that's another generation. They begat another generation under. So you 3:01:52.400 --> 3:01:55.320 have rappers out here now they don't understand that they 3:01:55.400 --> 3:02:00.000 still carry my DNA they may take its from something else. 3:02:00.160 --> 3:02:02.279 But you know that was so I think. 3:02:02.520 --> 3:02:07.199 Somebody, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like you like, motherfucker. 3:02:07.480 --> 3:02:10.800 Yeah, no, no, trust me. There's been a time there 3:02:10.920 --> 3:02:14.360 was these kids in New York called the Retro Kids. 3:02:15.160 --> 3:02:18.000 This is like mid two thousands, and they were dressed 3:02:18.040 --> 3:02:20.160 like old school and they would have on pokad ice. 3:02:20.200 --> 3:02:22.760 They were the flat tops, the whole nine. This is 3:02:22.840 --> 3:02:27.400 like two thousand and five, two thousand six, Yeah, but 3:02:27.560 --> 3:02:33.039 that era. Yeah, And I would walk down the street 3:02:33.040 --> 3:02:33.840 and I would see him. 3:02:33.720 --> 3:02:35.640 Like, Yo, that's some dope stuff. It's like, yeah, man, 3:02:35.680 --> 3:02:37.039 we got this at the business. So it's like where 3:02:37.160 --> 3:02:38.840 y'all what y'all got it from. It's like, yeah, that's 3:02:39.600 --> 3:02:42.039 ninety that's the ninety style. I'm like where that's dope. 3:02:42.320 --> 3:02:43.320 And I was just walking by him. 3:02:43.360 --> 3:02:46.199 It was like these fools don't not you know, nothing 3:02:46.440 --> 3:02:48.400 nothing against it. But then some of them did know. 3:02:48.800 --> 3:02:50.360 You know, there was times that one of them like 3:02:50.400 --> 3:02:52.320 wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, you know, 3:02:52.760 --> 3:02:55.680 so shouts out to those those cats. But there was 3:02:55.760 --> 3:03:00.640 a subculture in New York, not necessarily like the Retro 3:03:00.800 --> 3:03:02.800 Kids that was the name of the crew, but there 3:03:02.920 --> 3:03:05.520 was a subculture of retro kids that just didn't know 3:03:05.640 --> 3:03:08.360 and they would dress like that and have no idea 3:03:08.440 --> 3:03:09.840 where they got it from or anything. 3:03:09.920 --> 3:03:15.240 So I think it's dope. All right. Well ship man, Uh, well, 3:03:15.320 --> 3:03:19.400 the toys we gotta talk about, you know, we gotta 3:03:19.400 --> 3:03:22.880 talk about the toys and the album. So let's go. 3:03:23.160 --> 3:03:25.560 I want to you know, I'm a heavy toy collector 3:03:25.600 --> 3:03:28.199 and everything, yes, and so I wanted to give y'all 3:03:29.360 --> 3:03:33.280 with who's the only black guy and toys? David David 3:03:34.840 --> 3:03:36.880 give a shout out to David Varner because the toy 3:03:37.000 --> 3:03:48.720 industry is you autographed mons to you're talking about together, 3:03:49.720 --> 3:03:52.600 So so you got you got. Those are both for 3:03:52.680 --> 3:03:56.840 the audition, but so big shots to Dave. 3:03:57.040 --> 3:03:57.280 Dave. 3:03:58.520 --> 3:04:01.560 Dave is a pioneer in the toy industry. He's a 3:04:01.680 --> 3:04:04.760 good friend of mine in my age range, and he's 3:04:04.800 --> 3:04:05.279 a pioneer. 3:04:05.320 --> 3:04:07.440 He started out at Marvel Comics when we went to 3:04:07.560 --> 3:04:09.800 this toy company called Toy Business. He's the reason why 3:04:09.879 --> 3:04:14.640 we have the toy collection called Marvel Legends, and so 3:04:14.800 --> 3:04:18.720 this is some toy nerd stuff going on. And he 3:04:18.879 --> 3:04:21.359 moved through ranks and he moved to different toy companies 3:04:21.360 --> 3:04:23.360 and now he has his own toy factory. He has 3:04:23.440 --> 3:04:26.560 his own toy company as well. So he's a real 3:04:26.640 --> 3:04:30.120 pioneer and it's something that I always wanted to get into. 3:04:30.840 --> 3:04:34.280 So so I co founded a company called LBO. Let's 3:04:34.320 --> 3:04:38.480 be honest, and you know, our mission is to create toys, 3:04:38.800 --> 3:04:40.840 some of them which are very hip hop based. Like 3:04:40.920 --> 3:04:43.840 we have this toy line about to come out, and 3:04:43.879 --> 3:04:47.280 it's very hip hop based, but it puts people that 3:04:47.360 --> 3:04:50.960 look like us, all of us on shelves just as 3:04:51.040 --> 3:04:54.680 much as we see Captain America and Batman and Superman. 3:04:55.200 --> 3:04:59.080 So you know, that's really our mission and and and 3:04:59.360 --> 3:05:02.840 so like I'm real heavy into that space and it 3:05:02.920 --> 3:05:05.280 helps me get up, get away from the stress of music. 3:05:05.480 --> 3:05:07.480 Oh yeah, because once you know, when you're doing music, 3:05:07.600 --> 3:05:09.600 you know, everything is a political game. 3:05:09.959 --> 3:05:12.800 You gotta start maneuvering in ways. It's not as pure 3:05:12.920 --> 3:05:14.760 as it used to be. 3:05:14.920 --> 3:05:18.280 But you go to a comic con or another kind 3:05:18.320 --> 3:05:21.720 of toy convention or whatever, ain't nobody thinking about none 3:05:21.800 --> 3:05:25.440 but buying the exclusive stuff and seeing what's coming out, 3:05:25.680 --> 3:05:29.199 And it takes me back to that that pure period 3:05:29.240 --> 3:05:29.560 of time. 3:05:29.760 --> 3:05:34.000 So yeah, Okay, so now you said the new album. Yeah, 3:05:34.040 --> 3:05:35.680 it's your first album in twenty six years. 3:05:36.640 --> 3:05:36.920 Please. 3:05:37.120 --> 3:05:39.400 So this is the album I got like a bag 3:05:39.480 --> 3:05:41.400 of tricks over the Holy Morning. So this is the 3:05:41.440 --> 3:05:42.760 album called The Different Kids. 3:05:42.879 --> 3:05:46.240 Oh, the album is amazing man, now, thank you. 3:05:47.640 --> 3:05:49.920 And this album, like if you zoom in on it, 3:05:50.160 --> 3:05:52.240 it represents a lot of different things. You got nineteen 3:05:52.280 --> 3:05:53.320 eighty nine to me right there. 3:05:53.400 --> 3:05:55.800 I won't say different bases of you. Yeah, yeah, you got. 3:05:56.400 --> 3:05:58.160 I don't know me just trying to be fly online 3:05:58.240 --> 3:06:01.040 or whatever right then, you know me shilling up, but 3:06:01.160 --> 3:06:04.240 the producer me and then the current artist version of me. 3:06:04.600 --> 3:06:07.520 But the whip that I'm sitting on is the Star 3:06:07.600 --> 3:06:10.600 Wars Landsfeeder. People don't understand, like I got to bring 3:06:10.680 --> 3:06:13.480 that geek culture in here too. So shout out to 3:06:13.600 --> 3:06:18.800 amazing artists and DC named me a Duval. Yeah it 3:06:18.959 --> 3:06:23.560 is so Mia Duval did this artwork for the Different Kids. 3:06:23.800 --> 3:06:24.320 It's out now. 3:06:24.360 --> 3:06:26.720 It just came out in August, so you know, and 3:06:26.840 --> 3:06:29.600 I think I love this album. I think a lot 3:06:29.640 --> 3:06:31.920 of people tell me it's my best work. And I 3:06:31.959 --> 3:06:33.840 don't think that it's not a glazy either. I think 3:06:34.800 --> 3:06:38.680 for the first time since I was sixteen, I made 3:06:38.720 --> 3:06:40.519 an album without any expectation. 3:06:41.720 --> 3:06:45.920 Yeah, I made it in a small room in my house. 3:06:46.040 --> 3:06:46.800 It wasn't like a. 3:06:46.920 --> 3:06:49.480 Glorious studio or anything, just a small room in my crib. 3:06:49.920 --> 3:06:53.720 And I put the album together and it's on my 3:06:53.800 --> 3:07:00.400 own label, distributed through Virgin Records and label called SRG. 3:07:00.720 --> 3:07:02.480 And you know. 3:07:04.000 --> 3:07:06.040 I have You know, I had no expectations about it, 3:07:06.440 --> 3:07:07.920 you know what I'm saying. Put out some records and 3:07:07.920 --> 3:07:10.840 see what happens. Because I like producing, I like producing myself, 3:07:10.879 --> 3:07:11.400 I like rapping. 3:07:11.480 --> 3:07:12.240 Let's see what happens. 3:07:12.640 --> 3:07:16.040 And I put out two singles at the same time, 3:07:16.360 --> 3:07:20.080 one called Miss Mary Mack and another single called Hello Anybody. 3:07:20.400 --> 3:07:26.640 And you know, like I'm getting all TV. 3:07:26.520 --> 3:07:29.000 Shows, I'm getting all you know, the news, I'm doing 3:07:29.160 --> 3:07:30.280 podcast I'm doing stuff that. 3:07:30.240 --> 3:07:33.760 I would have never been doing normally. I'm on a 3:07:33.840 --> 3:07:35.840 promo run, you know what I'm saying. 3:07:35.959 --> 3:07:40.040 And at the same time, I'm coming from a perspective 3:07:40.160 --> 3:07:43.279 of where I am now as a person, as as 3:07:43.280 --> 3:07:46.120 a man in his fifties with a family. You know, 3:07:46.680 --> 3:07:51.920 I'm rhyming from that perspective. I'm giving stories about Yeah, 3:07:52.040 --> 3:07:54.800 like I'm growing. I'm not trying to be sixteen year 3:07:54.840 --> 3:08:01.560 old me. Yea, yeah, like I'm putting my And that 3:08:01.720 --> 3:08:04.040 was the thing about the beats. It was like, nobody 3:08:04.160 --> 3:08:05.920 has to tell me I need to be on the radio. 3:08:06.480 --> 3:08:08.640 Nobody needs to nobody's telling me I got to be 3:08:08.760 --> 3:08:11.360 in the club. I gotta make this trap beat to 3:08:11.440 --> 3:08:14.280 fit in. I'm just making beats and as raw as 3:08:14.280 --> 3:08:16.840 the beats are, that and if you know how it 3:08:16.920 --> 3:08:18.640 is you here, don't bet you wanted to start rhyming. 3:08:19.360 --> 3:08:20.880 If I'm making a beat and make me want to 3:08:20.920 --> 3:08:22.840 start rhyming, that's going to be on the album. And 3:08:22.920 --> 3:08:27.080 I'm gonna and I'm gonna rhyme about something. Every record 3:08:27.200 --> 3:08:29.200 is about something, and I'm not just gonna just be 3:08:29.760 --> 3:08:33.520 talking about you know, like I'm back. You know, I'm 3:08:33.560 --> 3:08:35.600 not doing none of that or you know I used 3:08:35.640 --> 3:08:37.640 to do this. I was down back in the day. 3:08:37.920 --> 3:08:40.680 Like it's none of that kind of stuff. So you know, 3:08:40.720 --> 3:08:42.760 I really love this album, you know, And I'm gonna 3:08:43.160 --> 3:08:45.280 I'm gonna promote and push the hell out of the. 3:08:45.320 --> 3:08:51.400 Album, you know, like keep going the different kids out. 3:08:51.520 --> 3:08:51.640 Now. 3:08:53.680 --> 3:08:54.560 It's a two part question. 3:08:54.600 --> 3:08:57.560 You got an American Music Award and you was adducted 3:08:57.640 --> 3:08:58.640 to the hip Hop Hall of Fame. 3:09:00.240 --> 3:09:02.360 But I didn't get an American Music Award. You didn't 3:09:02.360 --> 3:09:08.119 get my record is switch Switch Switch got an American 3:09:08.200 --> 3:09:11.240 Music Award, so I guess I get one by default 3:09:11.640 --> 3:09:18.480 like that. But it was, you know, and if I'm 3:09:18.520 --> 3:09:19.599 not mistaken. 3:09:20.680 --> 3:09:25.200 Lloyd Banks on Fire, either Lloyd Banks or Christina Aguiler, 3:09:25.320 --> 3:09:27.560 one of them or both of them got Grammy nominations, 3:09:27.600 --> 3:09:29.800 so I could I could claim that if I wanted to. 3:09:30.720 --> 3:09:33.160 But then the Hip Hop Hall of Fame, as a 3:09:33.240 --> 3:09:37.520 hip hop museum in Washington, DC, did an induction ceremony, 3:09:37.600 --> 3:09:41.119 and I thought it was dope for me because one, 3:09:41.520 --> 3:09:42.879 you know, I didn't think I was gonna be put 3:09:42.920 --> 3:09:45.280 up in a museum, Like I'm like, can you tell somebody, 3:09:46.080 --> 3:09:49.400 But the people that were inducted at the same time, 3:09:49.440 --> 3:09:52.560 it was myself, it was getting played, It was her 3:09:52.680 --> 3:09:59.440 beloved bug, it was Dana Dane, and everybody who had 3:09:59.560 --> 3:10:04.080 something to do with who I am was all there 3:10:04.160 --> 3:10:07.400 at the same time. I'm talking about down to Ron 3:10:07.520 --> 3:10:09.520 Lawrence was there and like you know, and I had 3:10:09.560 --> 3:10:11.640 to thank him. I was able to personally thank him 3:10:11.680 --> 3:10:15.760 for helping me get into position that I'm in. This guy, 3:10:15.879 --> 3:10:17.920 my boy named Dana. We call him Dana Dumb. The 3:10:18.000 --> 3:10:20.200 guy who taught me how to use an NPC was 3:10:20.240 --> 3:10:22.120 in the audience, and I got to I haven't seen 3:10:22.160 --> 3:10:26.040 him since the day he taught me to call him 3:10:26.080 --> 3:10:30.279 Dana dumb And yeah, no, Dana's super. 3:10:30.080 --> 3:10:32.040 Nasty with the beast, but he taught me how to 3:10:32.160 --> 3:10:33.920 use it, and I was like, I was able to 3:10:34.200 --> 3:10:37.240 personally thank him. You know, I have family that I 3:10:37.320 --> 3:10:38.840 was able to acknowledge. 3:10:39.280 --> 3:10:43.000 I haven't seen Herbie Lovebug in I haven't seen Herbie 3:10:43.000 --> 3:10:45.760 love Bug since the nineties, No, two thousand and one, 3:10:45.840 --> 3:10:48.400 I haven't seen him. So I was able to see Herbie. 3:10:48.840 --> 3:10:53.160 You know his younger brother, Steve, who put me with Herbie. 3:10:53.240 --> 3:10:54.880 You know, we all went to school together. 3:10:55.600 --> 3:11:00.080 You know, I'm seeing I'm literally seeing my neighborhood and 3:11:00.280 --> 3:11:02.840 being inducted into a Hall of Fame at the same time. 3:11:03.040 --> 3:11:04.400 So it was bigger. It was for me. 3:11:04.480 --> 3:11:07.760 It was way bigger than what I was getting. I'm like, yo, 3:11:07.959 --> 3:11:11.120 we'll all hear at once. Only people that ain't here 3:11:11.160 --> 3:11:12.800 with us, and they couldn't make it with salt and pepper. 3:11:12.800 --> 3:11:14.720 And I'm like, dag if that would have been the 3:11:14.959 --> 3:11:17.360 sweet tea was there answering that was this? So the 3:11:17.440 --> 3:11:22.560 first person I ever even produced was there? Yeah, So 3:11:22.640 --> 3:11:25.840 I'm like, yo, this is like the mega full circle 3:11:25.920 --> 3:11:26.480 moment for me. 3:11:26.840 --> 3:11:28.880 So it was dope. 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