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Speaker 1: Now, when we started this podcast, we said that we
Speaker 1: wanted to give flowers to the legends who wanted to
Speaker 1: give people that that that paved the way for us,
Speaker 1: people who have cemented their name in concrete. This brother
Speaker 1: right here has had a hit after hit he has
Speaker 1: he has when you see leading the culture and people
Speaker 1: changing the culture and.
Speaker 2: People shifting the culture, this is the person.
Speaker 4: He's a fashion icon, a hit maker, a producer from
Speaker 4: the best burrow in the world that's right in the world.
Speaker 2: In the.
Speaker 1: He's he's a legend, beyond a legend. We're gonna give
Speaker 1: him his flowers. We're gonna let him know that the
Speaker 1: music business is a better place when he's involved.
Speaker 2: In case you don't know what we're talking about, we
Speaker 2: talking about the one to know. So you said the
Speaker 2: best Burrow, the best. That's not you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm watching you, right, and.
Speaker 1: Uh I'm hearing you speak speak about your youth, right yeah,
Speaker 1: and the people that you grew around with, right because.
Speaker 2: You from ninety six street, what street in ninety seventh,
Speaker 2: ninety seventh between twenty third, twenty fourth and twenty fifth
Speaker 2: Avenue Anders Queens, you.
Speaker 1: Know where street are from? With ninety seventh Street, get
Speaker 1: out here, I'm from let's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So listen this is I know you hate when
Speaker 2: we talked, Queen, but listen listen.
Speaker 1: Technically, if I woke up and he woke up from
Speaker 1: ninety seven Street and we kind of yeah, straight, we
Speaker 1: would meet because when I was, I was I'm looking
Speaker 1: up like that, this guy's from ninety seventh Street.
Speaker 2: But so let's describe that, right, and.
Speaker 5: I would literally walk from my house till that frack
Speaker 5: walk to Queen SENTAMOI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: So let's describe that, right because I'm I'm and this
Speaker 1: is for people that's not privileged, who didn't get the
Speaker 1: catt to do the research and everything and and know.
Speaker 5: So who was the people that you grew up with
Speaker 5: in Queen So if you if you take my block
Speaker 5: ninety seventh Street, right, So this is I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: be on some hip hop stuff for now. I go
Speaker 5: a little bit of history in a minute. But on
Speaker 5: ninety seventh Street, if you go further up my block, right,
Speaker 5: you have no you got one block over, you have
Speaker 5: Eric b two blocks over, three blocks over. You have
Speaker 5: kids from Kid in Play on my block, one block up,
Speaker 5: the producer the hit maker Ron Amen, Rob Lawrence who
Speaker 5: did like hit Matta. Yeah yeah, hit Man Ron is
Speaker 5: on my block. You go about four blocks down, you
Speaker 5: have Herbie love Bug. You have a couple of blocks over,
Speaker 5: you have play from Kid in Play. You go a
Speaker 5: little bit across Northern Boulevard. You got cool g rap
Speaker 5: you got less from the beat Nuts is over there. Yeah,
Speaker 5: go further you you know what I'm saying. So that neighborhood,
Speaker 5: if you want to take the neighborhoods is East Elmhurst
Speaker 5: Corona DJ Polo Kuji apping Polo.
Speaker 2: You take East Emmer's Corona.
Speaker 5: You have your area left fact, you have flushing and flush,
Speaker 5: you got large pro, you got dress you know, royal flush,
Speaker 5: Mike Geronimo. So all of us are within a if
Speaker 5: you're driving, all of us are within a five minute Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's crazy. Five minute radios.
Speaker 2: Fifteen the most fifteen the most yeah, yeah, most, and
Speaker 2: that's because you're driving slow or something.
Speaker 1: Like let me no, no, no, now, I'm sorry. But
Speaker 1: this is how I break down queens.
Speaker 2: Right. I used to always say the buses and the trains, Yes, right.
Speaker 1: The buses is like the south side, right, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's lost boys, that's fifty SID, that's JAU
Speaker 1: run DMC. That's how you get there, you l that's
Speaker 1: how you get there.
Speaker 2: You have to get there do.
Speaker 1: Buses or you have to take a train from yeah,
Speaker 1: from Parsons Boulevard right.
Speaker 2: Then that's that's where it starts, right, And then it's
Speaker 2: the trains.
Speaker 1: The trains is even though Parsons Boulevard is technically Jamaica,
Speaker 1: but that's where it starts.
Speaker 2: Where the dollar vans and the buses come. But then
Speaker 2: you have us.
Speaker 1: I believe we are called the West side of Queens, right, Yeah, Melhurst, Astoria,
Speaker 1: ravers Wood, queens Bridge and then so that's that's the way.
Speaker 1: Queens and Queens is fucking a big ass borough.
Speaker 2: Bro Like Queen. I think Queens the south of Miami, bro.
Speaker 2: Know how about this?
Speaker 5: I was arguing with my friend from Philly and I
Speaker 5: was like, you know, if Queens is bigger than all
Speaker 5: of Philadelphia, like a right where that were going on Google?
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm telling you Brooklyn. You put Brooklyn and Queens,
Speaker 5: which is pretty much together, it's on Long Island. You
Speaker 5: put them two together.
Speaker 2: That's bigger than most major cities the whole country. Wow,
Speaker 2: it's bigger than most major cities. So it's like it's
Speaker 2: like six million people in Brooklyn and Queens alone. Wow,
Speaker 2: come on, I love my borough.
Speaker 1: So one of the craziest things that you know, me
Speaker 1: doing your research is with Malcolm X house burnt Down,
Speaker 1: which is on my block, which is on your block?
Speaker 2: Your family came to his A. Yeah, my grandfather. My
Speaker 2: grandfather was a publisher.
Speaker 5: He had a black owned newspaper called the published and
Speaker 5: he helped Malcolm publishes things. So when the firebomb happened,
Speaker 5: my grandfather's on ninety fourth, he's on ninety seven, So
Speaker 5: you think about it, this bomb happens and you as you,
Speaker 5: your wife and your little kids. So it was like
Speaker 5: the only person he knew that was in the immediate
Speaker 5: vicinity is my grandparents, Malcolm, only person you. So you
Speaker 5: just go around the corner and you know, just give
Speaker 5: the kids somewhere to sit and until they figure.
Speaker 2: It all out. And it's funny. It's like I didn't
Speaker 2: really know that story till my mom told me, and
Speaker 2: it I said it recently, and I'm like, yo, I
Speaker 2: didn't even I never even knew that. And that's is
Speaker 2: depicted in the movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, and in the book too, and in the book
Speaker 1: because you know, prior to the movie, I read the book,
Speaker 1: and I believe in the book there was a picture
Speaker 1: and it said East Elmhurst yep, And I knew this.
Speaker 2: I knew that story has something to do with me,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know it was coming. Yeah, No, it
Speaker 2: was only his house is ninety seventh between.
Speaker 5: Twenty third and twenty fourth Avenue, and I'm in between
Speaker 5: twenty fourth and twenty fifth.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's right. And damn man, that's a
Speaker 2: beautiful story. Man, that's crazy up your family. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: so bouncing around like we're gonna move around.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I'm very curious to know, because you're a
Speaker 1: producer too. But one thing about you, you are very
Speaker 1: You're a real lyricists, right, you're.
Speaker 2: Real trying to be sometimes, So let me ask.
Speaker 1: You without without critiquing these these these these new this
Speaker 1: new generation of MC's a lot of these new generational
Speaker 1: mcs are not lyrical, right, it's.
Speaker 2: All about us somewhat the melody and being catchy. Yeah right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Has it ever been a time where you winning and
Speaker 1: as a producer? Who these kids don't know? They just
Speaker 1: they just they're thinking kay k w one millions King
Speaker 1: Williams like they thinking that and they are not knowing
Speaker 1: that you made hit records for yourself, Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: produce hit records.
Speaker 2: Has it? Has it? Have you ever been like geration? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like say for example, it not even it could have
Speaker 2: been like a new generation rapper. It could be a
Speaker 2: new generation singer or even just like a generation like
Speaker 2: say before this one, Like for example, I'm working on
Speaker 2: a Christina Aguilero record and it's just like some pop
Speaker 2: you know, strings and all this other stuff. And she
Speaker 2: was like, I heard your rap. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I did a little something. Did you ever
Speaker 2: make a song? You know, you know the things.
Speaker 5: But like even with a younger generation, it'll be like
Speaker 5: the session of start out cool and we're working and
Speaker 5: they'll come in like the next day you my mom said,
Speaker 5: or the show up and the kid is looking like,
Speaker 5: I don't know nothing about this, but so it's it's cool.
Speaker 5: That's what I love about producing because it gives me.
Speaker 5: It takes away that age barrier between somebody new and
Speaker 5: somebody season, and it's always been a respecting Once they
Speaker 5: find out, it's like what could you tell me that
Speaker 5: I don't know already?
Speaker 2: And it could be somebody you know that's doing it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. It's just like, what have you seen
Speaker 2: that I haven't seen yet?
Speaker 5: And then I'd be able to impart some knowledge on
Speaker 5: them and and you know, it's cool, or they'll be like,
Speaker 5: you know, like you said, how people are more into
Speaker 5: the lyrics and more into the stuff from back in
Speaker 5: the days, and they you know, they'll they'll have that
Speaker 5: thought of, well, we don't need to do all that
Speaker 5: no more.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: This is about swag. It's about us just being swaggy
Speaker 5: and about to be No, no, it's not about the beat.
Speaker 5: It's like it was like more like y'all have to
Speaker 5: work harder than we do. We don't have to work
Speaker 5: as hard as y'all.
Speaker 2: It's true. Yeah, yeah, it's true to a certain just
Speaker 2: like you have to see it. It's like the old
Speaker 2: people that be like I used to walk ten miles.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, just fuck up to yet to
Speaker 2: do that. We don't got to do that anymore, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's just just a give and take, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, right, you know, you know
Speaker 1: my partner right here, it comes from the era of vinyl, right,
Speaker 1: and we.
Speaker 2: Come from the era of vinyl.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was trying to make I was trying
Speaker 1: to make a point like what I mean, like with
Speaker 1: you particular like DJ, I'm sorry, so so, and then
Speaker 1: obviously you know, going to a party of the rock
Speaker 1: right now, vinue is probably not the thing you unless you.
Speaker 2: Go to those sexy parties with forty five's only and.
Speaker 1: Yeah know what I'm saying, Yeah, so how have you
Speaker 1: been able to adjust from you know, the equipment from
Speaker 1: back then and now like this program is like.
Speaker 2: Forty loops you don't even need a equipment. You can
Speaker 2: just do it on your computer. Well, well that's a
Speaker 2: that's a two part answer. Okay.
Speaker 5: So like, for example, my DJ Big shouts to DJ
Speaker 5: tap Money from Philly. He is strictly technique twelve hundred's
Speaker 5: vinyl only. And what we've been finding as time is
Speaker 5: going on and we've been doing shows and you rent
Speaker 5: these equipment.
Speaker 2: The promoters like, we're not ranting, oh shit, we not
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: They into like if it ain't like the rain, you know,
Speaker 5: or the surround you know, anything anything kind of controller,
Speaker 5: And my DJ is just not with it. He's just
Speaker 5: not with it. And so sometimes it's a battle with that.
Speaker 5: And for me, I'm always forward thinking. I'm like, yo, dude,
Speaker 5: why you want to carry them big ass hard ten
Speaker 5: pound turntables because he'll bring his own if they don't
Speaker 5: have it. He's carrying on the flight cases and he's
Speaker 5: going on his own, and I'm like, yo, you just
Speaker 5: keep the old but learned.
Speaker 2: A new at least so you could be adaptable, don't.
Speaker 2: I feel like every DJ should know how to adapt.
Speaker 5: Like, if you're in a situation and you got your shit,
Speaker 5: somebody put something in front of you, you're either gonna
Speaker 5: sink or sweat.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? You're just gonna stand there.
Speaker 5: But I don't know how to control this, or you're
Speaker 5: gonna know how to adapt and work. So I think
Speaker 5: there's a thin line you gotta stick. I think you
Speaker 5: should stick to the things you know, and you should
Speaker 5: always know. Like the equipment. I use a bunch of
Speaker 5: new stuff, but my drums always come from a co
Speaker 5: SP two thousand XLP, NPC two thousand XL.
Speaker 2: I'm saying SP. I'm thinking of SP twelve, but the
Speaker 2: NPC two thousand, it's that smoke. He got that smoke.
Speaker 2: I'm not even thinking diamonds both. Okay, yeah, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: talking about that.
Speaker 5: So so you got I still use my my MPC
Speaker 5: and that that machine is like twenty five years old.
Speaker 5: But I know I'm a master at that, and I
Speaker 5: know how to make stuff that don't sound like twenty
Speaker 5: five years ago. It can sound like now, it can
Speaker 5: sound like damn whatever, And I know how to use
Speaker 5: that equipment, but I also know how to incorporate all
Speaker 5: the other things. And you gotta be open minded to
Speaker 5: incorporate because the time is gonna keep moving, man, y'all can't.
Speaker 5: You can't just be stuck in when you was popping
Speaker 5: and keep it at that. You got to be able
Speaker 5: to at least adjust in some way shape.
Speaker 6: Or for me, let me let me remind you though,
Speaker 6: unlike your DJ, when we did the tour in Canada
Speaker 6: and we did the show in uh in Russia, I
Speaker 6: did have a controller.
Speaker 2: I didn't take turntables. Oh, I had a tractor controller.
Speaker 2: I don't know, how do you feel about it? I
Speaker 2: didn't like it? What is that?
Speaker 6: I like the convenience of taking it around, but I
Speaker 6: wasn't like I wasn't really I'm just too analog with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I understand. But what is that? It's
Speaker 2: just a controller. You don't need to take the two turntables,
Speaker 2: the mixer. It's that one vinyl I'm not using, you know,
Speaker 2: the controlling vinyl. So it's just the one thing. But
Speaker 2: what do you normally use on your rider? What would
Speaker 2: you want not be a mixer in two techniques, okay, see,
Speaker 2: and it's note saying. I think especially when you scratch it.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to scratch on anything else but techniques
Speaker 5: of course. But for me, I think, like I've seen,
Speaker 5: I've seen so much in so long I've seen I've
Speaker 5: went from when I first started doing shows, we would
Speaker 5: have instrumentals, we would have our SETU would be two techniques,
Speaker 5: a tape deck, you know, say it and if we did,
Speaker 5: because if we have the instrumental, I have it on tape.
Speaker 5: You wasn't able to get vinyl. So you're pushing a
Speaker 5: tape deck, you're doing an instrumental.
Speaker 2: And then that went to the to the D like
Speaker 2: anybody remember, Yeah, you're playing your DAT tapes. And then
Speaker 2: and then from the DAD tapes that went to the
Speaker 2: and this is when your records was coming out.
Speaker 5: That what's that control thing that instantly you started using Instagram.
Speaker 5: I thought that was the best thing in the world.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, yeah, but you still had your
Speaker 5: turntables and and and now I'm I've literally seen cats
Speaker 5: get on stage with an iPhone what the thing?
Speaker 2: And it just yes, yeah, pressing play.
Speaker 5: I've seen major artists get on stage and have a
Speaker 5: stand with their computer.
Speaker 2: Right, this is my next song? Ye, all right, this
Speaker 2: is what you're doing. I hate it. So it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, you gotta.
Speaker 5: I believe, especially whatever the kind of music that you're doing,
Speaker 5: whether it's hip hop or anything, the elements that you
Speaker 5: made the records in should be on stage with you.
Speaker 5: So if it's turntables, if it's a sample, or if
Speaker 5: it's whatever, I think you should have those elements on
Speaker 5: stage and just mix it up past, present, future and
Speaker 5: keep it keep your rocket.
Speaker 1: Right now, you said that you believe that artists should
Speaker 1: never have a publishing them. No, can you explain that
Speaker 1: to people who explain that to a kid? There is
Speaker 1: right now and Basle projects, Yeah you know, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: on section eight. He has he has an opportunity. He
Speaker 1: has let's just say for seven n lucky numbers. So
Speaker 1: he has seven hundred grand looking at him in his face.
Speaker 1: Get seven hundred grand, can change his family, give him
Speaker 1: out the projects. But then he hears somebody like Quame
Speaker 1: said who's well experienced, and says, I don't believe sir,
Speaker 1: you should you should take that deal.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question, how long as he's
Speaker 5: been in the project with his family, his whole life,
Speaker 5: his whole life.
Speaker 2: Right, So check this out.
Speaker 5: You get a publishing, they're gonna give you seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 5: They're giving you seven hundred thousand because they think they
Speaker 5: know you probably can make one point four million, so
Speaker 5: they give you seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: You hype for the seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 5: You take it, but the records that they know you
Speaker 5: got coming is going to make that one point four
Speaker 5: million within nine months.
Speaker 2: You've been in that situation for your whole life. You
Speaker 2: can't wait nine months, now? Can you wait? Nine months?
Speaker 5: If you can, if you really think about it, right,
Speaker 5: unless somebody on you on the A floor and somebody
Speaker 5: on the seventh floor Center missiles down to you and
Speaker 5: try to But guess what, you can still move your
Speaker 5: people out temporarily.
Speaker 2: You could get an apartment.
Speaker 5: You could do whatever you want to do, because you're
Speaker 5: getting you're getting your commission for being a producer, or
Speaker 5: you're getting your album advanced, or you're getting whatever you're getting,
Speaker 5: so you still have some kind of bread.
Speaker 2: The problem is an artist.
Speaker 5: Sometimes new artists think that whatever bread that they're getting
Speaker 5: up front, they're going to always get I have a
Speaker 5: bread that they're being offered. They're always going to be offering.
Speaker 5: It's going to be more. And that's great thinking. It's
Speaker 5: very positive thinking issue. You should think that way, but
Speaker 5: you should also feel and understanding. There's a reality that
Speaker 5: there's a one percent of artists. We know who the
Speaker 5: one percent are. Those people continue to thrive the other
Speaker 5: ninety nine percent of all artists. Maybe good for one album.
Speaker 5: Maybe nowadays it's a single and ain't even an album.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry to cut you over. You remember your thought.
Speaker 1: I heard camera on say on his show, He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: at least we used to have two months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, y, you got a week and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have a hot album now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was like sometimes it was like maybe
Speaker 1: two weeks, maybe two weeks, but it's really a week.
Speaker 1: And I'm starting to look and I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: he's bugging, and I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is he's actually telling the true. It's
Speaker 2: actually rare.
Speaker 5: So so you take this seven hundred grand right now.
Speaker 5: You can take the money and you can run. You
Speaker 5: can take the seven hundred grand, you can invest it,
Speaker 5: you can you're seven hundred gud. You could take that
Speaker 5: seven hundred You can invest it. You should invest it.
Speaker 5: Do not buy the bends, don't get the chain, don't
Speaker 5: get invested in something something that will turn your seven
Speaker 5: hundred grand over. And it's very hard because you're sitting
Speaker 5: up in basley. Nobody's there to teach you who to
Speaker 5: invest it. And that's the problem with this industry. No
Speaker 5: og ever comes back and shows the young kid, yo,
Speaker 5: don't do that, no matter what, because money is real shiny, man,
Speaker 5: It's real shiny when it's up front. So my suggestion is, fine,
Speaker 5: if you get a publishing deal, get something called an
Speaker 5: admin deal, administration deal, take ten percent of your money,
Speaker 5: they find it, they collect it. That's seven hundred grand.
Speaker 5: You're gonna make it anyway. In nine months or one
Speaker 5: point two or two point five or seven point eight,
Speaker 5: whatever it is, you're gonna make it if you have
Speaker 5: that hit.
Speaker 2: Now here goes the crazy gamble. And this is all
Speaker 2: a gamble. Good. What if you didn't take the seven.
Speaker 5: Hundred grand and you flopped, You're gonna stay in basey.
Speaker 5: You know, you're still in Wow, You're still in bathes.
Speaker 5: The gamble, that's the super gamble.
Speaker 6: What is the loss again, because I don't think we
Speaker 6: explained what are they losing when they do?
Speaker 5: So when you when you take the seven hundred grand,
Speaker 5: the publishing company now owns whatever the percentage.
Speaker 2: You agreed with.
Speaker 5: Let's say it's fifty percent. They don't go lower than fifty.
Speaker 5: So now they own you fifty percent, almost for life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because from there apartment, because you're from there.
Speaker 1: When the movie companies call for that record, it's up
Speaker 1: to the publishing company, and they negotiate whatever they want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not involved. They give you perfect example.
Speaker 5: Usually I get to negotiate my thing, but just this
Speaker 5: year alone, and I'm not nothing against the artists. She
Speaker 5: probably don't even know, but Kilanie sampled my record only you.
Speaker 2: I had no idea. Somebody called me and was like, yo,
Speaker 2: you heard that new Kilanie album? Like what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Track number five? Like what the hell? And I listened
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 5: It's I hear my voice, I hear my record. I'm like,
Speaker 5: and she's singing the record is dope. It's called eight,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, yo, all right, it's about eating ass
Speaker 5: or whatever, but it's still.
Speaker 2: Side right. Yeah, I'm like, all right, just what we doing.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I would have approved a
Speaker 2: record like that on top of my beat, but hey,
Speaker 2: it is what it is, and yeah, man, it is
Speaker 2: what it is. Yeah, so the record is the record
Speaker 2: is what it is. But I'm like, I didn't know
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 5: I didn't approve it, but not realizing that my publishing
Speaker 5: deal from two thousand and three or whatever, okay, as
Speaker 5: opposed to another thing where there was a there was
Speaker 5: a chance I don't remember the name of the production,
Speaker 5: but there was a production where because I score films,
Speaker 5: so I'm scoring.
Speaker 2: This score Fantastic four too, Yeah, yeah, I was. I
Speaker 2: worked on Fantastic I didn't score the whole thing, but
Speaker 2: I worked on it. But just say, let's use Fantastic four.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing, is making motion. Sorry, man, I'm great.
Speaker 2: I want to And this is the actual record. I
Speaker 2: wanted to use the.
Speaker 5: Record I did for Lloyd Banks on Fire, the record
Speaker 5: in the in the film, and it almost didn't.
Speaker 2: Happen because, you know, because I was like, yeah, let's
Speaker 2: put this here, human TARGI gets on fire, Boom on fire, opinion.
Speaker 2: So that's how it went in the movie.
Speaker 5: But what people don't know when when they submitted it,
Speaker 5: the universal was like, we want X amount of dollars
Speaker 5: or it can't happen, even though I already said yes,
Speaker 5: but the publishing company.
Speaker 2: Was like, nah, you know, await from Lloyd Banks publishing company.
Speaker 5: No from Because I had publishing in the song, my
Speaker 5: publishing company had to agree, you know, and they didn't.
Speaker 5: I said yeah, but the publishing company I was assigned
Speaker 5: to did not say, and that almost blocked a bag
Speaker 5: because they had this publishing fee. And so it's like,
Speaker 5: at what point do you want to be free to
Speaker 5: roam with your music? At what point do you want
Speaker 5: to be you want to be able to make the
Speaker 5: decisions that you feel are right for your music, you know.
Speaker 2: And there's times that I had to make a decision
Speaker 2: and make you know.
Speaker 5: They always say sometimes act and then apologize later.
Speaker 2: Don't ask for permission first, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's like sometimes you got to make those weird
Speaker 5: moves like that just to be able to keep your
Speaker 5: ship going right.
Speaker 2: You know. Well, listen, new artists, it's up to you.
Speaker 2: Like you said, it's a gamble. It's a gamble. Do
Speaker 2: you how much do you want to gamble on yourself?
Speaker 2: How much do you believe in yourself? How much do
Speaker 2: you believe in your future?
Speaker 5: Do you think seven hundred if you think somebody's offering
Speaker 5: you seven hundred grand off the rip, That's the thing
Speaker 5: I'm trying to tetbody.
Speaker 2: You're never going to give them the best price. You're
Speaker 2: never doing it. And even if you keep negotiating whatever
Speaker 2: price they land that they still you're never gonna out.
Speaker 5: Everybody thinks they outsmarted some evil conglomerate out there that's
Speaker 5: been slinging records since nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 2: They may change the name of the company, but it's
Speaker 2: the same thing. Because you know why I.
Speaker 1: Know, is most of us right, all of our first
Speaker 1: deals have always been the horriblest Dealah, And a lot
Speaker 1: of us, like I believe, from even ours to Jay
Speaker 1: to everyone did they would always say that their first
Speaker 1: deal was bad, right, so but a lot of them
Speaker 1: made it afterwards.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people think like that.
Speaker 1: They say, you know what you think, Yeah, for seven
Speaker 1: hundred grand, I'll be seven hundred grand, Richard, and did
Speaker 1: I'll make it better. Some people make it better, and
Speaker 1: then some people stay trapped in that rabbit hole. See,
Speaker 1: there's never stories about the people that's trapped in the rabbit.
Speaker 2: Hole stories about the people who actually made it, the
Speaker 2: ones that everybody sees.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, luckily for me, like I was saying,
Speaker 5: luckily for me, the money that I took was a
Speaker 5: good amount of money, right. And then I did a
Speaker 5: Will Smith record Switch, Yeah, Switch. I did the record
Speaker 5: Switch And at that time Will was doing great in films.
Speaker 5: He was his films were rocket but he had no
Speaker 5: records out at that point. And so when I did
Speaker 5: the record, first of all, the deal structure he had,
Speaker 5: they didn't even give me my whole fee for the record.
Speaker 2: I did a deal like I'll do it for half.
Speaker 1: The publisher company didn't want you to do it, right, They.
Speaker 5: Were like, I just did my publishing deal and they
Speaker 5: were like, yo, do you think you want to reconsider
Speaker 5: the Will Smith record.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well would I want to do that?
Speaker 5: Like this is an international superstar. Why would I want
Speaker 5: to reconsider this record? Like, well, you know, we don't
Speaker 5: think the record could do well. We don't know if
Speaker 5: he's good in the market.
Speaker 2: You know, this is all you know, everything is about
Speaker 2: like fifty cent at the time, Jay at the time.
Speaker 5: So they're like, I don't know about it a Will
Speaker 5: Smith record. I'm like, well, that's scene.
Speaker 2: I said, well, we want to renegotiate your deal, right,
Speaker 2: which means either you're gonna owe us more money or
Speaker 2: give us some money back. I'm like, yo, I want
Speaker 2: to give y'all money back. You already got me.
Speaker 5: For money, and now I'm giving your money back. I said,
Speaker 5: let's see what happens. So when the record came out,
Speaker 5: the record was number one in like twenty countries and
Speaker 5: are super recoop And then I'm like, yo, was that
Speaker 5: the real play was real play?
Speaker 2: To get me to not take it so that I
Speaker 2: didn't have to recoup or you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: So say that slower for the people that shot the play.
Speaker 2: What if the play was describe it? So he gets
Speaker 2: a publishing deal. Yeah, I get a publishing dea. I
Speaker 2: get X amount of dollars I do. The first record
Speaker 2: I do under the publishing deal is the Will Smith record.
Speaker 2: I am told that maybe I should reconsider.
Speaker 5: Doing this record because it might not do well and
Speaker 5: it may look bad on your and your pucer.
Speaker 2: And Will is not really hot. He's just Willi's hot
Speaker 2: is a filmmaker. But he's not. He has no records
Speaker 2: in the marketplace at the time.
Speaker 3: So so.
Speaker 2: So you try to get me to reconsider it or renegotiate.
Speaker 5: My deal that I just did a month ago for
Speaker 5: less money and give back the balance or have to
Speaker 5: owe a lot more. You understand what I'm saying, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, chill. So by the time the record
Speaker 5: comes out, I make all the money they gave me.
Speaker 2: What does not your mean exactly what you say.
Speaker 6: I'm just on ice and say, yeah, I'm not going
Speaker 6: to negotiate at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to negotiate it all. Let's the
Speaker 5: record come out, because the record is on its way out.
Speaker 5: Let the record come out. The record does what it
Speaker 5: is doing what it does. So now they're happy because
Speaker 5: like they.
Speaker 2: Got fifty percent of my pocket so the record is popping.
Speaker 2: They're getting fifty percent, but I also recoup. Now.
Speaker 5: The thing is for people that on the door understand
Speaker 5: what you're being given. They're not giving you money, no
Speaker 5: record label, no publishing company that gives you money.
Speaker 2: They owe. They lend you money. Yeah it's a long
Speaker 2: They lend you your own money interest with interest. So
Speaker 2: this guy so, so then I paid back my loan
Speaker 2: and now they have to pay me, and they don't.
Speaker 5: They expect to give you a high, high yield on it,
Speaker 5: and they expect you to oh oh and never have
Speaker 5: to pay out.
Speaker 2: They don't expect by the next payout. They got to
Speaker 2: give you a couple of hundred first record, Yeah, on
Speaker 2: the first record, And you know.
Speaker 5: And I think as a producer, I'm not going to
Speaker 5: say I've produced on a lot a lot of stuff,
Speaker 5: but I've produced on a lot of quality stuff. So,
Speaker 5: like my resume is over forty forty five million records
Speaker 5: sold based on the artists that I chose to work
Speaker 5: with and be on it. Every album was multiple two, three, four,
Speaker 5: five times platinum, So that that gives that that pushes
Speaker 5: that money back. So now it's like my situation now
Speaker 5: is just more of an admin deal. They just collecting
Speaker 5: and I don't have to owe them anything. But that
Speaker 5: took years to understanding, years to realize. And so back
Speaker 5: to your man in Baisley, he don't have that time
Speaker 5: to understand that possible future for him. You know, Like
Speaker 5: we can name way too many artists that got the
Speaker 5: super popping record. The record is popping, then the publishing
Speaker 5: company kicks in and they now they want to scrape
Speaker 5: up the rewards. He would have got those rewards anyway,
Speaker 5: you know, that's the point. He would have gotten those
Speaker 5: things anyway. So, like I said, it's it's crazy man.
Speaker 2: It's a crazy game. I know we spoke about Switch,
Speaker 2: but I want to.
Speaker 1: Know how the record came about, Like like who was
Speaker 1: the people making the phone calls?
Speaker 5: I believe everkan Next had something to do with that.
Speaker 5: Every didn't have anything to do with Switch. So Switch,
Speaker 5: I guess because of you know, just my time in
Speaker 5: the game. I know Will, so you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's not like I didn't know him.
Speaker 2: But parents understand Will. Yeah, just don't understand Hell yes.
Speaker 5: And and I want to give a shout to Will
Speaker 5: real quick because throughout my career it's weird because it's
Speaker 5: not by design, but Will is always done some sort
Speaker 5: of a lookout without me knowing.
Speaker 2: That has helped me.
Speaker 5: So for example, when I first came out, Will had
Speaker 5: this he got his Grammy was eighty nine, he got
Speaker 5: his Bammy. He had this big old crib in this
Speaker 5: area called Gladwin, Pennsylvania, And I went and there was
Speaker 5: a Grammy party everybody was there, and.
Speaker 2: Will was like, yo, man, you know, I'm just coming out.
Speaker 5: He was like, I really like what you're doing, like
Speaker 5: your vibe blah blah blah, some dope stuff, he said,
Speaker 5: but you got to understand what's ahead of you. And
Speaker 5: nobody knows, nobody before me ever had this conversation any
Speaker 5: other artists.
Speaker 2: I knew we was out just getting girls. That's what
Speaker 2: we were doing. He was like, you got to understand
Speaker 2: what was ahead of you, and he said, I'm not bragging,
Speaker 2: but I just need to show you.
Speaker 5: So we go out into the garage. He shows me
Speaker 5: all these cars. He was like, each one of these
Speaker 5: cars come with a car note. You know it about
Speaker 5: just because I got money, you got to maintain that.
Speaker 5: And then looking at the crib and it's like, Yo,
Speaker 5: this crib comes with a mortgage. You know, you got
Speaker 5: to figure out how are you going to maintain something
Speaker 5: like this because you can get this too.
Speaker 2: Then then he has his Gram's like yo, you know
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, check it out. And so it's
Speaker 2: my first time I'm holding a Grammy.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, this shit is heavy, and I'm like
Speaker 5: he was like, you know, things come with that so
Speaker 5: just always be mindful about your business and about your
Speaker 5: spending because you're able to achieve that. You know by
Speaker 5: the records I see you making. I think you can
Speaker 5: achieve this, but just be smart. So that was jewel
Speaker 5: number one. Then flash forward, now I'm fucked up in
Speaker 5: the game. I'm like, I don't have my deal.
Speaker 2: Records ain't really popping just before you started producing? Yeah,
Speaker 2: well I've always been producing.
Speaker 5: I got produced all my stuff, so like before I started,
Speaker 5: I really really outside of you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting at home, I'm I'm in Corona and
Speaker 5: looking at the Fresh Prince of bed and incomes my
Speaker 5: song only You, and they have a whole episode he's
Speaker 5: to it. I'm like, oh shit, they use my joint.
Speaker 5: So like that, I'm getting these ask caap checks that
Speaker 5: I would yo. And that was rent, like straight rent
Speaker 5: being paid and a couple of Air Force ones and
Speaker 5: Mac ninety seven, and so I'm like, all right, good
Speaker 5: looking out because I didn't, you know, I never asked,
Speaker 5: but he wanted that record in the episode, and then
Speaker 5: that episode turned into another episode where that record was used.
Speaker 5: So now I got two episodes of Fresh Prince of
Speaker 5: bel Air in syndication, handing me checks.
Speaker 2: Literally helping me out from that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm saying, but I was I was not
Speaker 5: happening at this point when these episodes was out, so
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, this is good. And then you
Speaker 5: fast forward to two thousand and I don't know four.
Speaker 5: I think it was where Switched. One of the people
Speaker 5: that work works with my man Omar, who used to
Speaker 5: be Will's dancer, actually reached out to me.
Speaker 2: He was like, Yo, do you have any beats?
Speaker 5: Will's working on a new album and he hadn't had
Speaker 5: anything out at the time, so I just sent him beats.
Speaker 2: So Switch was already tailor made. It was the beat,
Speaker 2: the hook.
Speaker 5: I always handing beats, hooks, and sometimes song ideas like
Speaker 5: verses or whatever, but this one was just the beat
Speaker 5: and the hook fully done. And then it was a
Speaker 5: couple of other joints and then Will and Omar called
Speaker 5: me and was like, Yo, we really want to Switch
Speaker 5: record and so it was just started working on it.
Speaker 5: My man Kel Spencer from Brooklyn, he came in and
Speaker 5: helped out with the lyrics me. Will Kel wrote the
Speaker 5: lyrics on it, and Will was filming the movie Hitch
Speaker 5: at the time. So he would film hitch in the morning,
Speaker 5: come to the studio work on the album at night.
Speaker 5: So this like this this dude was working hard and
Speaker 5: that's how the work the record came out.
Speaker 1: Was that the album that he had on the track masters,
Speaker 1: on the Columbia track masters was the one before the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so this one.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of the album anymore, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it was the one. I it was after the.
Speaker 5: I think it was like to get Jiggy Witted album
Speaker 5: and I think Big Willie Style was that album or
Speaker 5: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: But then it was like a few years later he
Speaker 2: did this one. You getting checks from my I company
Speaker 2: that switched thee.
Speaker 5: So so that's the thing, and that's the thing that
Speaker 5: helped me, helped me recoup Bosh and Lahm had these
Speaker 5: removable what do you call them things to contact Switch
Speaker 5: and Yeah, so in all these countries in Europe it
Speaker 5: would be the commercial of like switch and Yo, they
Speaker 5: like when I tell you, I don't even want to
Speaker 5: disclose the amount of money, but just that commercial was
Speaker 5: the first advance I got from the publishing company, just
Speaker 5: that commercial alone.
Speaker 2: So that's how I ended up super recooping correct sixty
Speaker 2: eight percent of so I don't even I don't remember
Speaker 2: that number, but it's that smoke. So yeah, so when
Speaker 2: those when that check came in.
Speaker 5: You know, even though the first the first check of it,
Speaker 5: I didn't necessarily see because it went back.
Speaker 2: To recooping, recouped it. Okay, you know between that and yeah,
Speaker 2: I was even Stephen at that point, I was like, fine, dude,
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I'm not even want to see
Speaker 2: the commercial.
Speaker 5: I live in America. I'm not this damn commercial whatever.
Speaker 5: But then other things started coming along with it, and
Speaker 5: that showed me the power of trying to broaden your base.
Speaker 5: Perfect example, with you and Theaton, it was a FIFA,
Speaker 5: there was an NBA, and there was some other things,
Speaker 5: and that was just for that particular record, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So it taught me a lesson as
Speaker 5: a producer and as a writer, Like you know, right
Speaker 5: for the hood for sure, but is hoods everywhere, and
Speaker 5: you got to figure out that frequency that people can
Speaker 5: tap into. Like I was saying with you in the Reggaeton,
Speaker 5: like I thought that was a monster move to do that.
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, it's a whole world out
Speaker 5: here and people got to understand it's not just the
Speaker 5: block you want, and you got to understand that world.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: Although, let me ask you, though, although you were producing
Speaker 6: for yourself, when you were you know, an mc ye
Speaker 6: putting out records, how did you how did you make
Speaker 6: that transition though to just being a producer and shopping
Speaker 6: these yourself as a producer.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to give that that's a great question.
Speaker 5: I was always produced, Like the first record, the first
Speaker 5: thing I ever did as an professional was I was.
Speaker 5: I produced this record for Antoinette, Wrapper out of the
Speaker 5: Bronx and Answerinette. I was maybe fourteen when I did
Speaker 5: this record, and oh the record is terrible. I hated
Speaker 5: that record. Man, I'm singing on it. They spelled my
Speaker 5: name wrong, my name, they spelled the q U I
Speaker 5: M I. My mother had to come to the studio
Speaker 5: and blackout on her manager because they're trying to pay me.
Speaker 2: It was the wildest experience.
Speaker 5: But watching Herbie Lovebug and watching him produce Salt and
Speaker 5: Pepper and Kid playing Dana Dane, That's what I learned.
Speaker 2: What was peper first name?
Speaker 5: SuperNature? SuperNature? And I didn't really understand what producer was
Speaker 5: so like it would be like Herbie would be in
Speaker 5: there with salt and pepper. He was driving an orange
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy eight Dotson that was being helped together by
Speaker 5: duct tape like no lock. Their first album dropped and
Speaker 5: Herbie disappeared, like he disappeared for the whole summer. And
Speaker 5: when he came back, math Fat Rope Grilly pulled up
Speaker 5: in a Cherry red one ninety.
Speaker 2: E with Gucci seats. I was like, you, what the
Speaker 2: hell and he was like, i'm a, i'm a, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm going to do that.
Speaker 5: So so after producing my own stuff, I'm always like
Speaker 5: trying to produce other people. And I think two things
Speaker 5: that happen. One, I want to give a shout to
Speaker 5: my man Rick Rick and Philly. My man Rick Young
Speaker 5: Rick had a tap in at one point. Every well,
Speaker 5: I think it's still like this. Every person who has
Speaker 5: who sells Hood pharmaceuticals has a crew that can rap
Speaker 5: and they're able to, yes, they're able to fund projects,
Speaker 5: fund independent projects and help get their crew out of
Speaker 5: the situation they're in. So we had tapped into a
Speaker 5: bunch of cruise in Philly that was doing that, and
Speaker 5: so that's how I started really starting to make the
Speaker 5: rent and starting to be able to get on that
Speaker 5: peter Pan beat after beat after beat, crew after crew,
Speaker 5: then you know, rocking with some cruise in hallm same thing,
Speaker 5: beat after be have to beat and then.
Speaker 2: But at the same time I was still trying to
Speaker 2: get back on.
Speaker 5: So my man Ron Lawrence, I played him some stuff
Speaker 5: and he was like, yo, man, that biggie, that biggie line.
Speaker 2: Man, it kind of killed your name. Yeah.
Speaker 5: He was like kind of like, sawte your name out here. Man,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you can come back out right now,
Speaker 5: but these beats are nuts. Between Ron Lawrence and I
Speaker 5: got to give a shout out to the track masters
Speaker 5: because I come up there they were working on Mary's Out.
Speaker 5: I'll be playing beats, but I'd be rhyming on them,
Speaker 5: and they were like, you want to sell the beat?
Speaker 5: Like no, no, no, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta
Speaker 5: come back out and everybody, all the major people that
Speaker 5: I was playing these records for, Yeah, but they asking
Speaker 5: me to sell the beat, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 5: even know how to take.
Speaker 2: It because YO want my way. But then on the
Speaker 2: other end, I'm like, but the beats is dope, and
Speaker 2: I'm I'm the kid in basically at this point. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, I remember like track Masters, I remember like no, no,
Speaker 2: it was Ron Launch, Like, you know you can get
Speaker 2: twenty five grand for this beat right now? I said,
Speaker 2: putting all of these rhymes is don't And he's looking
Speaker 2: at me like dog, you gotta understand where he's at
Speaker 2: right now in this world. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's try it right And I didn't you know, He's
Speaker 2: telling me he can get beats.
Speaker 5: So I'm laying up, I'm in the crib and he
Speaker 5: gives me a calling. He's like, we got we got
Speaker 5: four Like what fuck you talk about? We got four?
Speaker 2: Four placements? Yeah? I'm like, what do you mean for?
Speaker 2: He said, ll just bought three and Mary J. Blige
Speaker 2: just bought one. Wow. And I'm sitting now, I'm in Harlem.
Speaker 2: I'm in a one bedroom apartment in Halem, six floor walker.
Speaker 2: I don't know where he buying from, married, I don't
Speaker 2: know who he's your story. He's like, he said, so
Speaker 2: who do I make the check to? I said, what
Speaker 2: you mean? He said, Yo, we just sold four beats.
Speaker 5: I'm like work And so the first thing because back then,
Speaker 5: you know, back then, the producer had to bring all
Speaker 5: their equipment to the student. And so so I'm like,
Speaker 5: my first night, I've got to go to Sony Studios.
Speaker 2: I gotta work on this.
Speaker 5: The greatest studio on the planet beside a circle house.
Speaker 5: Out here you run into anybody, and so you get
Speaker 5: I get that, and I'm nervous as ship because it's like, yo,
Speaker 5: am my.
Speaker 2: Back and I don't even know it, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is your first placement as a producer, period,
Speaker 1: and do you know you meet me and now I'm
Speaker 1: not meeting him for the first time.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know, you know you're going to lay
Speaker 2: it down for the tracks down.
Speaker 5: For yeah, And I'm like, so, I'm like, I'm starting
Speaker 5: to get straight nervous, like I ain't never did this before.
Speaker 5: And I'm like I had to snap out of it.
Speaker 5: I go, I'm on the train. I take the a train.
Speaker 5: I got my MPC and a bag.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: They rented the rest of my stuff and and I
Speaker 5: walk into the studio and I walk in and as
Speaker 5: you mentioned, Eric Nixon, shout out to Eric L's and
Speaker 5: the time, and L's there and I'm sitting and I'm
Speaker 5: setting my shit up and L walks in the room.
Speaker 2: He's like, yo, Kual, what you're doing? That's crazy?
Speaker 5: He said, are we in the wrong session. I was like, no, no,
Speaker 5: it's the right section. She's like, what you're doing? And
Speaker 5: I'm finishing your beat?
Speaker 2: He was like wait what he said?
Speaker 5: Ron didn't make that beat? And it was nothing against Ron.
Speaker 5: Ron never said he made the beat, but he was like,
Speaker 5: Ron didn't make that beat.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I made that. He was like yo.
Speaker 2: He was like, so you want to just get on
Speaker 2: the hook. I was like sure, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So the first record we did was a record on
Speaker 5: his album called ten called throw your L's Up. So
Speaker 5: it doesn't say feature in kuwame, but I'm like, yo, shit,
Speaker 5: I got an ll cool J do it right.
Speaker 2: So that's the first being. Then you know, we worked
Speaker 2: on the.
Speaker 5: Other We worked on another record called ten Million Stars,
Speaker 5: which is probably one of my favorite records I ever produced.
Speaker 2: And then we did this children's.
Speaker 5: Record call and the Winner Is and it like he
Speaker 5: did like a scholastic children's book, and it was like
Speaker 5: a rap record.
Speaker 2: To go with that. So we did those three records
Speaker 2: in the first week. And then.
Speaker 5: And then there was the other surreal moment where I
Speaker 5: was doing a show as Kwameta rapper on one side
Speaker 5: of the city and I had to finish the show
Speaker 5: early because I had to be in the studio with
Speaker 5: Mary to do her record. And the whole time I'm
Speaker 5: on stage, you know, doing nineteen eighty nine records, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just like, can this shit get over with so I
Speaker 2: can get into the studio and.
Speaker 5: Be the new me, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 5: it's like I throw the damn pok, I go into
Speaker 5: the studio looking fresh, and I'm like, Yo, this is
Speaker 5: I'm in the new lane now. And I never looked
Speaker 5: back from that point.
Speaker 1: Goddamn, because because I heard you speak about three different positions, right,
Speaker 1: you said artists obviously, then DJing, right and producing?
Speaker 2: Is when did you become all three? Or has that
Speaker 2: always been you?
Speaker 5: That was always well, see, I'm from the area, We're
Speaker 5: all from the era. When you say you do hip hop,
Speaker 5: you try to do every damn thing. You try to write,
Speaker 5: you try to you gotta b box, you try to DJ,
Speaker 5: you try to break down, do whatever you gotta. So
Speaker 5: I still believe that I cannot say that I'm hip
Speaker 5: hop without entering one of those chambers at any given time.
Speaker 5: So if I got DJ, I'm a DJ. If I
Speaker 5: got to write something on the wall, I'm gonna write
Speaker 5: something on the wall. If I gotta do a beat
Speaker 5: on a BT box or whatever, or rhyme or whatever,
Speaker 5: it's whatever. I don't know if I'm a head spin now,
Speaker 5: but you know what I'm saying. It's like so I've
Speaker 5: been djaying as early as I can remember, like stealing
Speaker 5: my parents' equipment and going because I used to go.
Speaker 5: My school was up the block from my house. Shouts
Speaker 5: to Saint Gabes. I would go up to school and
Speaker 5: do parties and.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know, I must because it
Speaker 1: wasn't Kenny from around Kenny Smith from remember. I think
Speaker 1: both of them went to the same games.
Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah, yeah, I know Kenny Smith might have
Speaker 2: because I think he told me that he did.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, Eddie, I wanted to say, I wanted to
Speaker 6: say that for any coo, but he's not here yet.
Speaker 2: But our boy Eddie, he was.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, my brother was five years behind me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so so.
Speaker 5: Djaying has always been the first music money I ever made.
Speaker 5: Was my fifteen dollars for Djay and Marianne Shilling For's
Speaker 5: twelve birthday party.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what the hell I'm doing
Speaker 2: just putting records on.
Speaker 5: But for me, I think you should try to embody
Speaker 5: all things if you can, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I don't get mad at and I know, let
Speaker 5: me say this to DJ now, even though I have
Speaker 5: a DJ right in front of me. I think each
Speaker 5: thing that you claim to be, if you're a DJ,
Speaker 5: I think that's a sacred thing. I don't think I
Speaker 5: will never call myself DJ Kwame. I'll do a party,
Speaker 5: but I'm not gonna call myself DJ Kuame because that's
Speaker 5: not what I am.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I call myself an artist and a producer way before
Speaker 5: I select. I'll select records, but I'm not gonna call
Speaker 5: myself a DJ because I think.
Speaker 2: That's on him.
Speaker 5: That's on him, you know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 5: see it both sides. I knew for me, it's a
Speaker 5: sacred title.
Speaker 2: That's for me. That's how I look at it when I.
Speaker 5: See DJs and I see real DJs, not Serrado selectors.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about real DJ cates crates at home.
Speaker 5: Like I was talking to Red Alert the other day
Speaker 5: and I was like, I asked him because I was
Speaker 5: I thought it was a rumor. I said, is it
Speaker 5: a rumor that you have an apartment in Harlem with
Speaker 5: so many records that the.
Speaker 2: Years are buckling? He said, that ship is true. Wow,
Speaker 2: he said it's one hundred percent. Yeah. He said the
Speaker 2: floors are caving in, so he had to like strategically
Speaker 2: put the records around the floors because it's too much weight.
Speaker 2: That's a DJ. You know what I'm saying. Where where
Speaker 2: I know DJ's that the records. I'm pretty sure you've
Speaker 2: been in a DJ's crib where the records is the
Speaker 2: whole crib. It just fakes everyone.
Speaker 6: My record's all over my crab. I got a separate office.
Speaker 6: I got my records at the crib.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's like like he told me when I
Speaker 5: got He's like, I wanted to bring one of your
Speaker 5: old rock records.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find it. That's some DJ ship.
Speaker 5: And I can't be mad at that because I know
Speaker 5: what that is where it's like, oh, I got everything
Speaker 5: on my hard drive. All right, cool, that's fine, you know,
Speaker 5: but do you have do you have this vinyl at home?
Speaker 5: You know, I'm a Soado selector. I select well, but
Speaker 5: I'm a Soado selector and and and i don't even
Speaker 5: choose a lot of times that to DJ. I'd rather
Speaker 5: produce and perform than now.
Speaker 1: Now, there was a rumor that at your hottest I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the hottest, but you were still riding the train.
Speaker 2: Is that true? Pro ride the train?
Speaker 5: I mean all the time, all the time, like because
Speaker 5: like you know, that was the thing, like you know, yo,
Speaker 5: I will take the train. Well, well, at my hottest hottest, yeah,
Speaker 5: because at my hottest, I'm in high school, so I
Speaker 5: had to get on the train that time.
Speaker 2: You started at sixteen. I heard fourteen earlier, well fourteen,
Speaker 2: the fourteen. By the time that record came out, I'm sixteen,
Speaker 2: only seventeen. Yeah, And at some point, let's be clear,
Speaker 2: at some point at my hottest, I did have to
Speaker 2: have like security, which was whack to me.
Speaker 5: I thought it was like super whack because I went
Speaker 5: to this high school. The main high school I went
Speaker 5: to was in Manhattan called high school art and design artist.
Speaker 5: I wanted to do it and having project product, you
Speaker 5: went there, Sticky Fingers went there, parro Manch went there.
Speaker 2: Who else? When I heard you all went to school together,
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was our design. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: our design.
Speaker 5: So Prince Paul Tree from you know that that group,
Speaker 5: that group organized confusion, So we all went to the school.
Speaker 5: Cool him from umc's. We're all at one point in
Speaker 5: time in the same school. But my parents were getting divorced.
Speaker 5: My pops moved to New Jersey.
Speaker 1: I had it all predominantly Queen's artists though, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So how was how the all Queens artists end up?
Speaker 2: I don't know. We always you know how to draw
Speaker 2: and so so.
Speaker 5: But long story short, I ended up in the high
Speaker 5: school Forest Hills High School in Queens for my for
Speaker 5: my eleventh grade, and that's when the album kicked in.
Speaker 2: So the album kicks in, My advance kicks in, the
Speaker 2: album don't come out yet. He comes, He comes, Stupid Kwalm,
Speaker 2: Stupid Kom pulls up Mega truck Jewelry. I'm looking like
Speaker 2: Slick Rick versus Eric b versus Big Daddy King.
Speaker 5: Then I borrowed from Herbie Lovebug. He had this bracelet,
Speaker 5: but the bracelet came from here to here.
Speaker 2: I'm coming to school with this monster bracelet, cube and
Speaker 2: links like Gucci.
Speaker 5: I'm looking like a madman, all leatherland, French coats.
Speaker 2: Wilding out.
Speaker 5: I didn't know nobody the schemes were happening. Trust me,
Speaker 5: the schemes are.
Speaker 2: I'm looking. I'm sitting in the lux roover on.
Speaker 5: My scam scamsh so I'm walking through and I got
Speaker 5: cool with the security guard and he was like, yo, man,
Speaker 5: I just need to tell you they watching you. I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: I know, I know the kids in the school is
Speaker 5: watching me. He said, no, day watching you. There's a
Speaker 5: there's a detective undercover in the school watching you. Who
Speaker 5: thinks you move and weight in the school. I said, Now,
Speaker 5: I'm a rapper. He said, nobody gonna believe that ship wow.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, for real, he said, yeah, so you
Speaker 5: know you gotta chill out with this. You acting wow
Speaker 5: right now. And I'm like, and I'm on the train
Speaker 5: with this. Mind you, I'm looking crazy. I'm crazy the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm bugget So when you first back in the days
Speaker 5: when you get an album cover, it comes in like
Speaker 5: this sheet, this long sheet. It's like a pressing, test
Speaker 5: pressing of an album covers. And I had some cassettes,
Speaker 5: some pressing, some test cassettes, the test album cover.
Speaker 2: And then the vinyl. And I went to the principal's
Speaker 2: office and I was like, yo, I hear it, y'all
Speaker 2: watching me.
Speaker 5: And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about,
Speaker 5: mister Holland I'm like, yeah, you know, that's fine, it's cool.
Speaker 5: I know I need to turn tone it down, and
Speaker 5: I will because I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker 5: And I apologize for that, but this is a young age.
Speaker 5: You used that and tell us that because I knew,
Speaker 5: you know, I was always taught. You know, you you
Speaker 5: attract the heat that you get at all times. You
Speaker 5: attracted real So I'm like, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 5: and I'm attracting another element because I know I'm being
Speaker 5: schemed oning.
Speaker 2: So what happens now? I got to bring my foot
Speaker 2: to school, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And I got deal with these south Side kids and
Speaker 5: this that and the third it's like I'm a try
Speaker 5: I'm putting pressure on the school I'm putting pressure on
Speaker 5: myself and I'm putting pressure on the kids in school.
Speaker 2: So it's like, all right, I understand what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: His Wow, but this is what I do.
Speaker 5: I'm a rapper. I'm coming out. The album comes out
Speaker 5: January thirty first. This is like pre Christmas break. So
Speaker 5: the principal goes, Yo, why don't you just don't come back?
Speaker 2: Like the fuck? He's like, you're about to be a
Speaker 2: rich rapper, hip hop man, right, why don't you just say?
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what this is the principal? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that the principal don't look like me.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. He's about the shade of
Speaker 5: his candle. So he's telling me to drop out. Bar
Speaker 5: sales height, Yeah, I don't even remember this guy's name. Now,
Speaker 5: if I would have told my parents, especially my mom,
Speaker 5: and mom would have fast and I would have been Now,
Speaker 5: I got kids scheming on me. I got the principal
Speaker 5: one to be the dropout, I got the DT and
Speaker 5: I here come my mom. That's worse than all of
Speaker 5: them put together. So I'm like, are you sure you
Speaker 5: want me to do that? He's like, yeah, I think
Speaker 5: you should drop out.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: I said, I'll get back to you, so as Christmas
Speaker 5: break goes. So what we decided to do. Anybody in
Speaker 5: New York and will notice. In the New York City
Speaker 5: school system we got a thing called six hundred School.
Speaker 5: That's right, oh boys, yep, six hundred school. I went
Speaker 5: there twice.
Speaker 2: Which one you go to? I went to one in
Speaker 2: Bridgewood and I went to one in Bushwick. I was
Speaker 2: at Bushwick. They were like, we're on the same block,
Speaker 2: six hundred school. So my management should have known better
Speaker 2: because they were professional children's schools that I could have
Speaker 2: went to. There was a school in Manhattan called PPAs
Speaker 2: and it was strictly for kids that were usually on
Speaker 2: Broadway or in TV shows or movies. But they would
Speaker 2: have taken me, and I knew some kids my little brother.
Speaker 5: My little brother was heavy into dance and he had
Speaker 5: a lot of friends like Dion Bud from The Cosby Show.
Speaker 2: He used to go there. Mcaulay Caulking used to go there,
Speaker 2: and they were friends of my little brother. So I
Speaker 2: knew about I knew about the school, and I tried
Speaker 2: to suggest it, but they didn't know how to go
Speaker 2: to the route there, so they put me in a
Speaker 2: six hundred school. Wow, And it made it seem like,
Speaker 2: you know, with six hundred schools, you either messing around
Speaker 2: in school and you bad and they tell you to
Speaker 2: go to the six hundred school, or you have an
Speaker 2: extenuating circumstance. You got to take care of a parent,
Speaker 2: you have to work during the day, you're pregnant, teen,
Speaker 2: you're whatever. So now I got to go to the
Speaker 2: six hundred school in Bushwick. You know how it is
Speaker 2: in Bushwick in nineteen eighty nine, I didn't even know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I only knew Queens of the Yeah man tact. You
Speaker 2: go get that there.
Speaker 5: It's like, yo, where am I at? So now I
Speaker 5: got to pull up And this time I'm not on
Speaker 5: the train. I'm pulling up in a convertible, all white convertible. No, no, no,
Speaker 5: I got this this folks wacken, folks waging cabriolet. I'm
Speaker 5: pulling up, top down in January.
Speaker 2: And still school. And I'm not the tallest dude in
Speaker 2: the room. I'm like five six, and I got this
Speaker 2: eight foot tall security dude next to me, and we
Speaker 2: walking through the school and everybody's looking at me like
Speaker 2: the fuck you have security in the school? I had
Speaker 2: school security. No, I had to have security in the school.
Speaker 2: So I'm walking through the school. I'm trying to be
Speaker 2: everybody hey, you know, and he's looking at me like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you got a big security.
Speaker 6: Go.
Speaker 5: So I get into the school and they make me
Speaker 5: sit in a closet for the whole school day. I'm
Speaker 5: in a meat big man a desk and I'm in
Speaker 5: the closet. You in school, I can't they separate, like
Speaker 5: like I'm in PC, but in school.
Speaker 2: In school, I'm like, six hundred is kind of like jail.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 5: So I'm like in this clause, I say, why can't
Speaker 5: I be around the other kids? And the teacher's like,
Speaker 5: you cannot be around the other kids. I'm like, they
Speaker 5: could be my friends, you know, they cannot, like, just
Speaker 5: do your work. So I'm doing my.
Speaker 2: School work and the music's out already. The music is
Speaker 2: out popping, so everybody knows I'm popping.
Speaker 5: And the lucky thing, the thing that took me out
Speaker 5: of the six hundred school was I did a deal
Speaker 5: with them where I can go on tour.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: And when I go on tour, they send me the
Speaker 5: work like homeschool. Yeah, And I do the work and
Speaker 5: then when I come off a to it, I just
Speaker 5: hand it in. It's like hey, coming in the morning,
Speaker 5: handing it and get the hell out out of here,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: But they had to mail you, not email you.
Speaker 5: No either, somebody from my management company were going to
Speaker 5: pick up a pocket or say if I'm there week one,
Speaker 5: they'll give me a packet for week two, three, and four.
Speaker 2: I'm going. And so that's privilege. You call it privilege.
Speaker 2: Everybody getting chicks. And I was sitting there doing math.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I was disciplined, but like my godfather was one of
Speaker 2: my role managers, like, yeah, my moms, wasn't my mind's possible,
Speaker 2: wasn't playing it. And the first tour that I was on,
Speaker 2: I'm actually getting a contact high. It's pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like floating it. But I never experienced after before.
Speaker 6: But so.
Speaker 2: So so, and that's one of the.
Speaker 5: Things with contact high, you don't remember ship. So the
Speaker 5: first tour I was on was that n w A
Speaker 5: to Ever see the n w A movie one tour.
Speaker 5: That was my first tour. You on that tour?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was me who ship me and w A? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was the host. So this had the toy this
Speaker 2: is what how don't hip hop? I was back in
Speaker 2: the day. This is some real ship? So T. K.
Speaker 2: Kirkland was the host, opening host of he would host
Speaker 2: throughout the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Then the opening act was the d O C. And
Speaker 5: after the d O C was J J Fad you know,
Speaker 5: Dre had to put his axe on. Then we had
Speaker 5: just like random acts.
Speaker 2: There was an act.
Speaker 5: There was a group seven eight three was one of
Speaker 5: the groups from down here, Poison Clan that maybe this
Speaker 5: leg when we came here, the certain Poison Clan because
Speaker 5: we used to clown the fun out and I'm pretty
Speaker 5: sure it was on that tour. But then it was
Speaker 5: kidd and play on the get this it's too short.
Speaker 5: It's myself, It's easy.
Speaker 2: And then n w A. So they have the police.
Speaker 5: So every city, mind you, this is arenas. We're not
Speaker 5: doing clubs. We're doing thirty thousand arenas.
Speaker 2: Every every night.
Speaker 5: You're eighteen nineteen, I'm seventeen seventeen. Jesus, I'm sixteen going
Speaker 5: on seventeen.
Speaker 2: This is wild. So every night we're doing these arenas.
Speaker 5: But because of fuck the police, all law enforcement countrywide
Speaker 5: boycotted the shows, so there was no security in thirty thousand.
Speaker 2: You talk about this here before, but there was no violence. Right.
Speaker 2: We had to talk to the people like, yo, y'all
Speaker 2: want this show to go on, y'all got to chill.
Speaker 2: Whatever happens after the show, y'all take that shit outside.
Speaker 2: It's the only way this show is going to happen.
Speaker 2: And then the police chief will show up and they'll
Speaker 2: come in.
Speaker 5: They'll have a list. Now if you'll say fuck shit,
Speaker 5: damn it, if you do any kind.
Speaker 2: Of gyrating with your penis or anything like that, immediately arrested.
Speaker 5: So they would tell us this as we right before
Speaker 5: we get on stage. So the mandate was we would
Speaker 5: all have a meeting, everybody sit there and easy. It
Speaker 5: would be like, yo, it ain't about who goes on
Speaker 5: last or first. This was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So he was like, yo, calm, you get on, you
Speaker 5: do your thing. As soon as you get on, get
Speaker 5: off because you're the clean guy.
Speaker 2: Get off. I'm running on. I'm gonna do my thing. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run on, and then I'm bringing w a
Speaker 2: out and we're.
Speaker 5: Gonna spas the fuck out at the last song is
Speaker 5: fuck the Police, as fuck the Police is going on,
Speaker 5: We're gonna jump in the crowd, run out the front.
Speaker 2: Can you play? You get right on stage, so fuck
Speaker 2: the police gets on. They all boom, shut down the middle.
Speaker 2: And then following then is come on man, it comes on,
Speaker 2: cleaning up or we would switch out quime you're gonna last.
Speaker 2: You gotta do it tonight. You know, it would be
Speaker 2: that switch up. And that's some hip hop ship. It wasn't.
Speaker 2: It was three. It wasn't had nothing to do with
Speaker 2: East Coast, West coast anything. That was just.
Speaker 5: And everybody because hip hop wasn't mainstream, and because hip
Speaker 5: hop wasn't, I feel like it's almost like I want
Speaker 5: to I want to liken it to like Latin concerts.
Speaker 2: You know how Latin concerts.
Speaker 5: Can do a whole stadiums and arenas and like, but
Speaker 5: some of those artists aren't on mainstream radio.
Speaker 2: This is not on mainstream like American radio. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand people will be up in them. Was
Speaker 2: arena because they know it and it's a part of
Speaker 2: the culture, and it was That's how hip hop was.
Speaker 5: It was a part of our culture, and everybody wanted
Speaker 5: to see it. So how youre going to not pack
Speaker 5: thirty thousand, thirty thousand kids, all colors, all races. It
Speaker 5: wasn't had nothing to do with nothing. It was just
Speaker 5: people who love hip hop. And then you know that
Speaker 5: tour morphed into like then it was like a Public
Speaker 5: Enemy n w A I mean Easy E tour because
Speaker 5: that n w A Toys that was the only tour.
Speaker 2: It was a rap after that. So then you know
Speaker 2: I would be on tours.
Speaker 5: I would be on tours with people from Public Enemy
Speaker 5: to Teddy Valley and guy it what doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It was if it was of the time, you on
Speaker 2: that kind of tour.
Speaker 5: And that was luckily for me and the type of
Speaker 5: records I made, I was able to get on all
Speaker 5: those different types of tours.
Speaker 2: Damn that was amazing. So I read somewhere that you
Speaker 2: say that your mom's watches everything you do.
Speaker 1: You do, so they're gonna tell moms to tool out
Speaker 1: for this part, yo, head phone me go don't understand man,
Speaker 1: Let's not.
Speaker 2: Watch this part. Because I got to ask you.
Speaker 1: You've been on all of these tours, you have the
Speaker 1: oh and this is this is the definition of groupies.
Speaker 2: How many groupies. You think you smashed? I said, homework, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, homework got finished.
Speaker 5: Like I'm not well Chamberlain, because my my, you know,
Speaker 5: like you could see some rappers they got eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 5: twelve kids. That's from groupie loving. Now I ain't got that,
Speaker 5: but yo, I'm telling you, it'd be like the wildest.
Speaker 5: Like we would have the wildest situations, like we pull
Speaker 5: up to the it'd be stuff like the tour bus
Speaker 5: will pull up and it'll be a girl.
Speaker 2: I said, I want Carmel, Like what's carmel? Car Mail?
Speaker 2: I want Carmel, you know, deal with the dots in
Speaker 2: the street, Calmel. And I'd be like, all right, Caramel.
Speaker 2: She couldn't say, she just called me calml.
Speaker 5: So so so groupy love would happen sometimes before we're
Speaker 5: even checking the hotels, Like the bus pull up and
Speaker 5: they got on, and it'll be these girls and you
Speaker 5: gotta watch it because you don't know, you don't know
Speaker 5: what it really is. So for example, one time I
Speaker 5: was I don't remember what state I was in. These
Speaker 5: girls came in and they had on his short They
Speaker 5: all will.
Speaker 2: Poke it out. That's what I know. Which ones was mine?
Speaker 2: Everyone they Yeah, the n w A girls. Girls will
Speaker 2: always have a Raiders hat on. They would have body
Speaker 2: suits with holes in it. So you see like half
Speaker 2: they ask everything, half they everything. You know, that's easy
Speaker 2: ease girls man like, you don't mess with them. But
Speaker 2: then the calm girls, they look like, you know, they
Speaker 2: were the high school chicks with the you know, the
Speaker 2: short pleated skirts to poke it out biker shorts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like the fifty four eleven. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It was like, you know, some teenagers. So
Speaker 2: we pull up into one city and these girls are
Speaker 2: like poke it out it down in these little tight skirts.
Speaker 2: The limousine pulls up, she takes off a shirt, puts
Speaker 2: them on a glass. I'm like, yo, I'm see. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they writing their name and number and lipstick on the thing.
Speaker 2: And and our term, I'm not gonna give you the
Speaker 2: term because we still use the term, so just say,
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, like, oh, we smash it.
Speaker 5: So the show comes in and always is always the
Speaker 5: after party, and you always announce. People would announce what
Speaker 5: hotels we were at on stage.
Speaker 2: Holiday party, so the girls would nowhere to go.
Speaker 5: So now, mind you these girls. I got to rewind
Speaker 5: that because one of the girls looked like she was
Speaker 5: all of twelve years old.
Speaker 2: She was wilent. The other girls around the look of
Speaker 2: age with this one looks like a little sister that
Speaker 2: got out okay, and she was wild.
Speaker 5: And so we get to the hotel and it's a
Speaker 5: knock on my door and I'm like, who knows my room?
Speaker 5: I opened the doors and this girl checked out.
Speaker 2: She had the doobie weed bob or whatever you call it,
Speaker 2: all made up, super tight skirt on and she came in.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm ready for you. I'm like, you ready
Speaker 2: for me? And I'm seventeen and I'm like, I'm ready
Speaker 2: for you. And right before it happened, she's like, you
Speaker 2: don't remember me, do you. I was like, nah, who
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 5: I was the one with the blah blah blah. I'm
Speaker 5: like the twelve years yeah, bounce, you gotta bounce. And
Speaker 5: now you gotta understand. That's how ill it was. It
Speaker 5: was so ill that I've witnessed mothers bring their daughters
Speaker 5: to the hotel like I've seen it. The mother bring
Speaker 5: my he's my she she's seventeen. She just wanted to
Speaker 5: meet you, y'all have fun like what yo?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 2: Or while shit like girlfriends or wives coming into the
Speaker 2: to the lobby and I'm pretty sure you're seeing your
Speaker 2: shit too.
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying girlfriends or wives and it'll be
Speaker 5: like whoever gets down with the girl and they get
Speaker 5: You're walking them, trying to be a gentleman. You're walking
Speaker 5: them into the lobby, and they don't tell you they married,
Speaker 5: They don't tell you they got a girlfriend.
Speaker 2: And then here comes the man out of nor.
Speaker 5: And swings up, knocks the girl out wild stuff. You're like, yo,
Speaker 5: it's like this ain't none of your business.
Speaker 2: I'm playing.
Speaker 5: It ain't my business at all, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So at an early age, I learned to really watch
Speaker 5: what that is. I've been in malls, Like I've been
Speaker 5: in malls and.
Speaker 2: Random girls come up to me with like kids and
Speaker 2: they be like, Yo, you know MC such and such. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my man. Tell him this his kid, kid. You
Speaker 2: need to tell him.
Speaker 5: I don't know how you take my number and you're
Speaker 5: telling him he's in Phoenix, Arizona. He got a six
Speaker 5: year old son.
Speaker 2: Look at it looks just like him doing it And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, kind of dude, So you gotta really
Speaker 2: watch that.
Speaker 5: That groopy, that groopy situation. Luckily, you know, I was
Speaker 5: able to dodge and and I ended up having a
Speaker 5: real good girlfriend.
Speaker 2: That would be on the road with me. So I
Speaker 2: was just like, you know, check it. And if my
Speaker 2: mom was around, you know, was before that. He was
Speaker 2: knocking a lot of things down. Man. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing what I gotta do, you know, because
Speaker 2: I always wondered.
Speaker 1: I was always like, do you think Kwame might have
Speaker 1: sucked one of Biggie's bitches.
Speaker 2: That's the reason why Biggie said that, you think I
Speaker 2: think so? You think so?
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I think I'm jo but no,
Speaker 5: but something like that has happened. I'm working on these ja.
Speaker 2: Yeah, waiting on these records, and I'm in the elevators
Speaker 2: just me and Dame. Dame looks at me. He's like,
Speaker 2: you're a cool dude, man with you and everything, But
Speaker 2: at one point in time, I just wanted to fuck
Speaker 2: you up. I was like, what Shi man, This girl
Speaker 2: named Keisha man I used to love for me. He
Speaker 2: was fucking to me. He was messing with my girl.
Speaker 2: And he kept coming around the block knocking this down.
Speaker 2: I wanted her so bad. I was like, but I
Speaker 2: ain't out of my fault. Don't be mad at me,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, charging to the game, but
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know, that was like a light, light
Speaker 2: hearted thing that was That was cool. But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think I think with the big situation, I don't
Speaker 5: think it was personal at all.
Speaker 2: I don't think personally. I never looked at it as personal.
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, we knew way too many of the
Speaker 5: same people, So I know if there was a personal thing,
Speaker 5: I would have known about it, you know, from puff
Speaker 5: on down, Like we knew too many same people.
Speaker 2: I think it was a line. If you listen to
Speaker 2: that first album, he got lines on damn everybody will
Speaker 2: is to escape to me, you know some dreams where
Speaker 2: he's talking about yeah, like you know, and.
Speaker 5: I know some R and B artists at that point
Speaker 5: took offense to that. They was like, so, I don't
Speaker 5: think it was personal. But as I look during the time,
Speaker 5: it wasn't funny to me. But now it's the funniest
Speaker 5: thing in the world because other people outside of me
Speaker 5: took it personal and I didn't have a record out,
Speaker 5: and I'm a slick talker man, Like you know you're
Speaker 5: gonna get at me. I'm a fine every way shape
Speaker 5: or form to get back. So if I do an
Speaker 5: interview and everybody else kick around, and I would say
Speaker 5: something and get on like I'm going, I was saying
Speaker 5: delicious stuff.
Speaker 2: So wow, I didn't catch that. It was it was
Speaker 2: just like random things like you know, dow here because
Speaker 2: I didn't have a thing to come back. So you
Speaker 2: know why you always come across from me as a
Speaker 2: person that's not bothering. I'm not. I'm not. What you
Speaker 2: just said comes shocking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And what I was saying was not not
Speaker 5: in petty things. I'm always like tongue in cheek. I'm
Speaker 5: always going to crack a joke about it. I'm never
Speaker 5: gonna come at you from a point of anger at all.
Speaker 5: But at the same time as hip hop, so you know,
Speaker 5: you gotta like you gotta still stand up for yourself
Speaker 5: in some way shape or for him somebody's asking. But
Speaker 5: like I said, I never took it personal. It was
Speaker 5: always like I give you a perfect example. It was
Speaker 5: a club in New York called Bentley's Bentley's.
Speaker 1: Remember okay, now it turned in the club Shadow because
Speaker 1: the whole school yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yea.
Speaker 5: So we would go to Bentley's every Thursday night. We'd
Speaker 5: be pulling up in Bentley's. So Biggie King the album
Speaker 5: comes out, and I'm sitting and I'm talking to this
Speaker 5: girl this.
Speaker 2: After Biggie said the line, yeah, okay, well this is
Speaker 2: like right at the time, like just and I'm talking
Speaker 2: to this girl. This girl is bad.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to bag us. And then they throwing unbelievable
Speaker 5: and everybody's like and it's like people kind of hearing
Speaker 5: it for the first time. And then then the line
Speaker 5: comes on, played out like Quame and the Poconons, and
Speaker 5: then the DJ drop the music shouts to quamet.
Speaker 2: I'm like, she gets up and I'm like worm running back.
Speaker 2: So it was always that, it wasn't and then and
Speaker 2: then there was a point where like I never ran
Speaker 2: into big until this one night. We we did Mad Wednesdays. Okay,
Speaker 2: Maria Davis. Davis was that in Mahas.
Speaker 5: So it was on seventy second Street in Amsterdam. The
Speaker 5: whole building ain't even there no more. Okay, So we
Speaker 5: do Mad Wednesdays, and I have a I have a
Speaker 5: record out at the time, I had an album that
Speaker 5: came out maybe.
Speaker 2: A few months after Ready to Die. It's called Incognito.
Speaker 5: And that album, by the way, the album went triple
Speaker 5: styrofoam on the wall. So so I was doing like
Speaker 5: a performance that mad Wednesday sort of. When we walk in,
Speaker 5: the first person I see at the ball was Big.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, here we go with this ship.
Speaker 2: So I don't say nothing. You don't say nothing. We
Speaker 2: go into the day and I do my performance. We rock,
Speaker 2: you know, we did. We did well. And so Maria's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, we got a little controversy in the building.
Speaker 2: You know that Biggie Small said something about you on
Speaker 2: the record. He's here, you here, y'all need to settle
Speaker 2: this beef. WHI ch'all want to do?
Speaker 5: So I had to dudes with me, this is the
Speaker 5: funniest shit ever. So she means, I don't know what
Speaker 5: she meant. Yeah, it was a whatever situation. So Big
Speaker 5: had his guys with him. I had like four guys
Speaker 5: with me. Now, y'all know my style. I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: be in the tyms and whatever. I'm in a hard
Speaker 5: bottoms in a tamn suit and a tie, looking like
Speaker 5: the insurance man. I was just on my my caple shit,
Speaker 5: looking like I don't know, Eddie Murphy and Boomerang or something.
Speaker 2: So I get off stage and like I said, I'm I'm.
Speaker 5: Five six, five six and a half at most, and
Speaker 5: I just remember Big walking up and him looking like
Speaker 5: he was nine hundred feet tall and he was rolling
Speaker 5: a blunt like this stick.
Speaker 2: He was just I saw. All I remember is the
Speaker 2: blunt and his mask coming at me, and he was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: what the fuck you want to do? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck you want to do? So he just
Speaker 2: we're talking. It was actual smoke, like he was walking up.
Speaker 2: I was, and I was.
Speaker 5: I wasn't back down, But all I heard in the
Speaker 5: back of my mind was Michael Jackson Billy Jean, because
Speaker 5: every dude with me did the moon walk.
Speaker 2: Out the fucking I turned around. I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 2: are you crazy? Now?
Speaker 5: I want to say I got to ask Sees when
Speaker 5: the next time I speak to him, But.
Speaker 2: I want to ask him if he was the one
Speaker 2: who stepped in between us, because I don't remember he
Speaker 2: stepped in between us, Like the fuck are y'all doing
Speaker 2: y'all bugging brother? And Biggie was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you're right, You're right, and I was like hey, but
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not even mad at y'all, mad
Speaker 2: at them niggas, and I can't wait for skating out
Speaker 2: and so and then and then it turned into like,
Speaker 2: y'all not gonna be fighting up in the club. You're
Speaker 2: it's like nobody fighting that. No, no, no, big you
Speaker 2: leave out the front, come, you leave out the bat,
Speaker 2: you know. And so we had to leave the club
Speaker 2: and then that was it from there, And I think
Speaker 2: that was the most it ever anything. But I just
Speaker 2: felt like that night was so funny because I just
Speaker 2: didn't know my boys knew how to do the moon walk,
Speaker 2: and I never let them down for that. I'm like, yeo,
Speaker 2: which I couldn't. I couldn't fight in your hard bottoms?
Speaker 2: Then what's going on here?
Speaker 6: Do you feel that that line, that Bige line kind
Speaker 6: of like really put a stop to your.
Speaker 2: Career.
Speaker 5: It wasn't happening. This is nineteen ninety four. My last
Speaker 5: big record was maybe not.
Speaker 2: You felt like it was already whining down. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: so it was like a nail in a coffin for
Speaker 2: that for that era.
Speaker 6: And that's that's what I was actually telling that to people.
Speaker 6: I was like, I feel like that line was a nailing.
Speaker 2: The cuff into the whole era. Ye it was like
Speaker 2: the silky suit. That whole era was now something new.
Speaker 5: I called it the grimy nineties, grimy nineties already we're
Speaker 5: in here now and that smove early nineties eighty stuff.
Speaker 5: It's a different it's a different time. So that's why
Speaker 5: I said, I don't take it personal. I never took
Speaker 5: it personal, Like unbelievable. It was one of my favorite records,
Speaker 5: to be honest with you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 5: I've told Premierre many things.
Speaker 2: I love that record.
Speaker 5: I hate that line, but but this but also what
Speaker 5: shows the respect that a lot of DJs had for me,
Speaker 5: because everywhere I went in the country, if that record
Speaker 5: will play, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of DJs would mute it. If I was there,
Speaker 2: they would at least be that respectful to do that. No,
Speaker 2: that was just that was just spin it back or
Speaker 2: just just mute it, or just whatever they would do.
Speaker 2: And you know, I respected that and after a while
Speaker 2: be like, looky, y'all not bothering me play the damn record.
Speaker 5: It's not like you put like you're going at me.
Speaker 5: So I understood that, and I understood what it really was.
Speaker 5: So I never really like, I never really took it
Speaker 5: any kind of way, you know, And I felt bad,
Speaker 5: you know, at his passing. I felt bad for his
Speaker 5: mom and his you know, his family and everything like that.
Speaker 5: So I was like, nah, man, I don't. I don't
Speaker 5: hold no kind of maliciousness to anybody.
Speaker 6: I definitely don't think he I don't. I mean from
Speaker 6: my I don't think he did it person.
Speaker 2: To be talk about this. I could have been anybody.
Speaker 2: I think it was a good verse on his part,
Speaker 2: like he just like this is funny.
Speaker 5: Nobody knew who I was, that line would have been
Speaker 5: trash right. If nobody brought into what I was doing
Speaker 5: and understood my impact at the time, that line would
Speaker 5: have made no sense to nobody. So I always think
Speaker 5: of things that flipping into the positive first, you know,
Speaker 5: before you know, you don't go off the rails first,
Speaker 5: you know, first one of the forty eight laws of power,
Speaker 5: like you don't somebody say something negative, whatever, you don't
Speaker 5: fly off, you know. So you know that's how I
Speaker 5: always look at it.
Speaker 1: It's like it is what us, but you know, as
Speaker 1: an outside of looking at it, as the inside of
Speaker 1: looking out. The two things about the Polka gass one,
Speaker 1: do you actually understand the pack of the pokons? Because
Speaker 1: it's a two part question, right one, At one point
Speaker 1: one everyone wore a pok do. Pokon is for everybody,
Speaker 1: but everybody's not for poka dots exactly. Everybody did not
Speaker 1: know how to pull off the right so but the
Speaker 1: thing was, it was it was a fat like no other.
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling my my son today, like we're watching
Speaker 1: your interviews and I'm like, yo, you have no idea
Speaker 1: like like like like like, and then I can't even
Speaker 1: use example. I'm like, yo, I'm trying to say to
Speaker 1: him the throwbacks with jay Z And then I'm looking
Speaker 1: at my son and I'm like, that's not even a
Speaker 1: good example for him.
Speaker 2: I'm just so confused. But I should give him, like
Speaker 2: the Pousche heisty man, the.
Speaker 1: Person who lived in that era, did you understand how
Speaker 1: it influential you was with your attire that because that's
Speaker 1: the first time that me for me, that's the first
Speaker 1: time I see people wanting to dress like a rapper.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So yeah, So for me, it was everything was by circumstance.
Speaker 5: So for example, with the polka dots. You take my
Speaker 5: first album cover, you flip flipped the album cover over,
Speaker 5: Boys Genans, You flip the album cover over. I have
Speaker 5: on this white shirt with black dots, of black tie
Speaker 5: with white dots, and if you could see my feet,
Speaker 5: I had on black socks with white dots, right, same outfit.
Speaker 5: When my first single was a record called The Man
Speaker 5: We All Know in Love, that same outfit is on
Speaker 5: the single cover because I shot it at the same time.
Speaker 5: My first video, that same outfit I used to look like.
Speaker 5: I had on some pajamas and a scene.
Speaker 2: So you take those, and that's because that was my
Speaker 2: favorite outfit. I didn't have.
Speaker 5: I ain't really had on money, Like my advance were small,
Speaker 5: like I spent money on them stupid chains, so that
Speaker 5: I never ended up wearing as an artist, and so
Speaker 5: people thought that's his thing, but it wasn't. You know,
Speaker 5: I like to dress up. I used to like the
Speaker 5: certain ties and you know that GQ look, but it
Speaker 5: wasn't a polka dot thing. The streak and the hair.
Speaker 5: I just had a regular flat top, And six hours
Speaker 5: before my first video, I was like, look, what if
Speaker 5: my record flops, what if my record don't play? What
Speaker 5: if nobody knows who I am? I want people to
Speaker 5: recognize me. Yo, let's throw a streak in the middle
Speaker 5: of the so you know, and cats. You know, I
Speaker 5: knew cats that were had blonde streaks and all this,
Speaker 5: like village cats and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: They was doing that stuff.
Speaker 5: So I was like, yo, let's let me throw a
Speaker 5: streak up in my heir because at least they'll recognize me.
Speaker 5: If anything, you know, I don't know if I got
Speaker 5: no saying if the records are hit, So I show
Speaker 5: up to the video with that on, with the poko
Speaker 5: i thing on. And then when it was time to
Speaker 5: start doing shows, every city we would hit, it'd be
Speaker 5: a pocket of kids or the whole audience looking just
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 2: So the first show I did, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: somebody fucking with me.
Speaker 5: Somebody played a big plank because all these kids got
Speaker 5: on dots, got streaks up in their heads looking crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there is no way.
Speaker 5: But then as we started hitting and it wasn't just
Speaker 5: a New York thing, it was a Pennsylvania thing, it was.
Speaker 2: A Virginia thing. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 5: Then I was getting pictures and letters from Africa and US,
Speaker 5: like polka dot shirts, France and.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what Japanese kids like doing b boy posters
Speaker 5: with the polka dots and sending me letters in Japanese.
Speaker 2: I can't even read it, and I'm like word.
Speaker 5: And then another Will Smith moment, Will shout out to
Speaker 5: Charlie Mack, Who's who's Charlie called me from Morocco, Africa.
Speaker 5: He was like, yo, man, we up in this party
Speaker 5: and banging your records and all the kids got on
Speaker 5: polka dots.
Speaker 2: I was like, and I'm sitting here in Queens Like
Speaker 2: calling me from Africa telling me this. I was like,
Speaker 2: how much is this cool?
Speaker 5: This is nineteen eighty nine, Like this is not not
Speaker 5: an expended this is an expensive call. So that's when
Speaker 5: I started to understand that that impact. So I think
Speaker 5: by the time I put out my second album, A
Speaker 5: Day in the Life, we incorporated a lot of Polka
Speaker 5: dot stuff. And then it was so funny because there
Speaker 5: was a record on A Day in a Life call
Speaker 5: It's Okay and on, it's okay. I literally say that's it.
Speaker 5: I'm not doing this no more, no more pokadon stuff.
Speaker 5: So back to let's take it back to the biggie thing.
Speaker 5: So when he was like it's played out, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's been playing I've been told you this like three
Speaker 5: years ago. So that's why I'm saying it's not it ain't.
Speaker 1: It ain't what it is, just just so you know,
Speaker 1: to tell you an impact. But we finally locked you
Speaker 1: in to say that we finally finally got you right.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate y'all. Let me come on, thank you
Speaker 2: for doing that.
Speaker 1: I set up with a group chat and we all
Speaker 1: have a group chat and I'll say, yo, listen, everybody
Speaker 1: go try to get poka dot. So this is how
Speaker 1: ill your impact is. And I didn't realize that everywhere
Speaker 1: we went it was sold out.
Speaker 2: Wow. We couldn't buy it had to take two days. Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow Wow. I just thought about that.
Speaker 1: It was like it was a message from God, because
Speaker 1: it's like it's like almost now we know you didn't
Speaker 1: of course in our community, right, like I ain't even don't,
Speaker 1: but I brung it to America, right, so they got
Speaker 1: to give me that boy in our community. Of course
Speaker 1: there's pokon dots that exists in other genres, but you
Speaker 1: and it just made me. It made me turn it
Speaker 1: all into business because I was just doing that.
Speaker 2: You wanted to be funny you walk here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it killed me, kill me. And I was like, but
Speaker 2: it was literally like.
Speaker 1: I kid you not like like but everything was sold
Speaker 1: out and it was a two day order, so we
Speaker 1: were ordered.
Speaker 2: It when it came on Thursday. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: two levels to it.
Speaker 5: I wish that I had somebody in my corner when
Speaker 5: I was sixteen seventeen that told me, like, take your money.
Speaker 5: The one good thing I did with my money was
Speaker 5: buy equipment. You know what I'm saying, because that turned
Speaker 5: me into what I ended up being later. Right, but
Speaker 5: take your money, find a way to make your own Polgoda.
Speaker 2: Shirts would have lasted oh your own version of my
Speaker 2: own line, and I would have been would have been yours. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would have sold it. That shows I would have
Speaker 2: went up to Strawberries or Merry Go Round or whatever
Speaker 2: was selling whatever gap Yo girt like look going to
Speaker 2: going to coliseum and had my own center, or had
Speaker 2: I had a stand I know it's I know it's
Speaker 2: not open no more. But that's that's my era. You know,
Speaker 2: the Colosseum, that whole block is good.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, some face tim me from now, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't physically didn't physically fail her, like like just
Speaker 1: seeing that. Yeah, man, you know what's surviving, the beef,
Speaker 1: the the jerk chicken spot still standing strong.
Speaker 2: So good about that.
Speaker 5: Ahead continued, But I'm saying I could have had that
Speaker 5: if I would have had that business acumen back then,
Speaker 5: and they could have ended up getting played out, I
Speaker 5: could have I could have turned that into something else.
Speaker 2: I could have been, you know, I could be I
Speaker 2: don't know, yeah, whatever I could have.
Speaker 5: I could have been a major brand right now if
Speaker 5: I would have just started with that, you know, like
Speaker 5: how food Boo started with hats and then they turned
Speaker 5: into a major brand, and I could have sold it
Speaker 5: for seven hundred seven hundred million dollars or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I wish I would have That's my only industry regret.
Speaker 2: I have no other regrets but that. I wish I
Speaker 2: would have been able to figure that part out.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you again. So you talked about
Speaker 1: that one time you met bigs. Did you ever see
Speaker 1: Big again after that?
Speaker 2: Or that was yeah? Yeah, like like just in like parties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And there was no smoke after that.
Speaker 5: We just did yeah, like I was you know, I
Speaker 5: could be there and talking to puffing and just me saying,
Speaker 5: they're giving me to look like.
Speaker 1: Right now, this is something I don't I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not positively sure I'm correct with this information. But one
Speaker 1: I feel like only You was the start of hip hop,
Speaker 1: R and B collapsed, right, I feel like that was
Speaker 1: one of the originals of hip hop or R and
Speaker 1: B at least from from from from from my point
Speaker 1: of view. But I also remember me hearing only You
Speaker 1: what a version without you on it?
Speaker 2: No, it's never it wasn't. So so one day ever
Speaker 2: played like in.
Speaker 1: The daytime and like trying to cut rap out because
Speaker 1: I remember there was a rap like yeah, show said
Speaker 1: no rap, But I remember hearing that in the daytime
Speaker 1: with just a hook.
Speaker 2: If you heard that, I don't know anything about that, okay,
Speaker 2: So so for people that don't know, a lot of
Speaker 2: radio stations across this country have what they call a
Speaker 2: no wrap work day six A. You know, they called
Speaker 2: it rap rap crap, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Don't we not playing that rap crap rap crack if
Speaker 5: you don't want to hear that rap trap? Yeah during work,
Speaker 5: so terrible, terrible, Yeah, we are not playing rap. So
Speaker 5: from six crap Yeah, that rap crap.
Speaker 2: Don't forget the crap. Somebody Grandpap's made that one up.
Speaker 2: So from six am.
Speaker 5: To six pm in some places, seven thirty in some places,
Speaker 5: and nine pm in a place, you're not hearing no rap.
Speaker 2: So two things happen with only you. One. I wanted
Speaker 2: the bag Vanessa Williams. You want how to be your
Speaker 2: sugar mom.
Speaker 5: I want her to be my mama, Mama, mama she was.
Speaker 5: I didn't know how, I didn't know how I was
Speaker 5: gonna do it, but I was gonna try to back.
Speaker 5: And so I wanted to make a record where she
Speaker 5: sang it and I featured. So I figured that the
Speaker 5: record It's Hot, and I featured. I meet her at
Speaker 5: the video and she would say, you don't got to
Speaker 5: go back to Queens, you can just come back with me.
Speaker 5: I'd be like, I bet.
Speaker 2: So that's the mind of a seventeen year old, So
Speaker 2: I'm making on you for that.
Speaker 5: I didn't make the album, so I was like all right,
Speaker 5: let me just I'm gonna make it for myself and maybe,
Speaker 5: just maybe I can get a six o'clock in the
Speaker 5: morning play.
Speaker 2: I can get that daytime play. Wait, hold on talking
Speaker 2: about six o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 5: Was the ship, yeah, because you wake up and people
Speaker 5: were driving to work that drive time. The morning shows
Speaker 5: at this time not really, not really, no, I think
Speaker 5: about it now. It was just somebody playing, you know whatever,
Speaker 5: whoever the DJ was. The only people that have morning
Speaker 5: shows are like the white station's like don Imus and yeah,
Speaker 5: I like Donad's and Stern. I was staying on things
Speaker 5: like that. It was never a black He's the racist dude, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 2: Think he's a man. So he called the girl. We remember.
Speaker 5: We walk around these tight cowboy pants and looking crazy.
Speaker 5: So I wanted to hear my record at six o'clock
Speaker 5: in the morning, like you know, any other artists would.
Speaker 5: And I think at the time, I'm not gonna call
Speaker 5: myself I invented it, but I helped push it because
Speaker 5: you had some heavy D records, probably playing some like
Speaker 5: Salt Pepper, Express Yourself, like those type of records they
Speaker 5: might have been playing.
Speaker 2: But I wanted a record that was equal R and B,
Speaker 2: equal hip hop.
Speaker 5: It could play in the club, it could play in
Speaker 5: the radio, and people it's not soft like if you
Speaker 5: listen to the owner, you beat, that's not a soft beat,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Like, I always try to
Speaker 5: go hard, like no matter what I'm you know what
Speaker 5: the beat is, I'm trying to give you know, give
Speaker 5: you some grit to it. So so I was able
Speaker 5: to achieve all of that. And but the wild thing is.
Speaker 2: I started to learn that the record labels was in
Speaker 2: cahoops with the records the radio stations on some no
Speaker 2: wrap stuff.
Speaker 5: Because I slid through the cracks with that one. But
Speaker 5: then my label, Atlantic Records started to now separate the rappers.
Speaker 2: We wasn't just on.
Speaker 5: Atlantic Records no more. They had to put a label
Speaker 5: on all rap records and they called it Atlantic Street.
Speaker 2: No, No, the title of the label was they they
Speaker 2: took all the rap.
Speaker 5: Records off of Atlantic and put them on a label
Speaker 5: called Atlantic Street.
Speaker 2: This is what they were saying. Yeah, so they were stickers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So they was put these stickers on the record
Speaker 5: that said Street on it, and it had like some
Speaker 5: corny dude doing like some weird, great dance move and
Speaker 5: so when the program directors will get these records, it
Speaker 5: was the signal, all right, this is what we don't
Speaker 5: play during the day. We'll just give it to the
Speaker 5: mix shows. But I'm like, yo, why are the labels
Speaker 5: even down with something like that? Y'all supposed to be
Speaker 5: trying to push this thing forward. So you know that
Speaker 5: was just my contribution to try to crack open that door,
Speaker 5: and which you did, so you know, you know I'll
Speaker 5: give I'll give credit to that.
Speaker 1: Right, So let me ask you a question right right now,
Speaker 1: they just announced that you know, Bad Bunny is hosting
Speaker 1: or the Super Bowl commercial Bad Bunny. Uh, this genre
Speaker 1: of music that comes from reggae, reggae for that part
Speaker 1: or that portion of it comes from that part of
Speaker 1: hip hop. Even know reggae it's probably even lasts as
Speaker 1: long as hip hop or just as long. So I
Speaker 1: want to ask you a biggie line. Did you ever
Speaker 1: think that hip hop would make it this far?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had this vision When I was a kid.
Speaker 5: I used to tell my friends, we're gonna get hip
Speaker 5: hop from other countries. We're gonna get hip hop from
Speaker 5: and so if it hasn't happened yet, because I'm still
Speaker 5: waiting for the hip hop record that super blows Up.
Speaker 5: That's just that everybody knows that isn't in English.
Speaker 2: Oh well that's bad Bunny. Yeah, but he means like more.
Speaker 2: You mean like more main like hip hop, like hip
Speaker 2: hop hip hop, because Bad Bunny, you different genre.
Speaker 1: Adopted hip hop baby Yeah yeah yeah, so so that
Speaker 1: might come from Asia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because you're doing with K
Speaker 2: pop now, Yeah, you do. You go to a K
Speaker 2: pop show? See dude, I said k pop? You don't
Speaker 2: remember you said it? Did it on a show?
Speaker 3: My daughter?
Speaker 2: Right now? Is all all about the K pop demon Hunters.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah man, it's like and they can a
Speaker 2: new ads, a cartoon. It's like a big kid cartoon.
Speaker 5: It was crazy going on. Yeah no, no, you K
Speaker 5: pop like where I live in where I live in California.
Speaker 5: It sounds weird, but it's predominantly Korean and Chinese in
Speaker 5: my area. So every mall I go to, and it
Speaker 5: doesn't have to be my area. Every moll I go
Speaker 5: to every is what they call it's a store called
Speaker 5: K pop station, and every mall has like three of
Speaker 5: them joints in there and they packed like that that
Speaker 5: culture on our culture is real, Like it's some real stuff.
Speaker 5: I just feel like they may switch their groups out
Speaker 5: every of a week. It's like a whole new versus
Speaker 5: bt S and then it's like I don't know X
Speaker 5: y Z and I'm like.
Speaker 2: What he's got? But I influenced heavily. Yeah yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: If you listen to like A or like the boy
Speaker 2: band stuff, like, it's very yeah, it's very very.
Speaker 5: Thousands vibe and they keep they know that aesthetic, they
Speaker 5: know that similarity, and they know what that vibe. There's
Speaker 5: like this girl k K pop rap group. I'm trying
Speaker 5: to remember the name, but like I see it on
Speaker 5: TikTok all the time of your girls spitting like straight
Speaker 5: spitting in English. But I don't think they know English.
Speaker 5: That's the weird thing. And they got they got it down.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, this, I gotta find I gotta find
Speaker 2: the name of that group. But but I think that.
Speaker 5: It definitely the hip hop vibe has definitely gone further
Speaker 5: than what I what I imagine. And I love the
Speaker 5: fact that Bad Bunny is doing the super Bowl because
Speaker 5: you think about it any kind of Latin representation in
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl has either been j low right, Glorious, Stefan,
Speaker 5: who else?
Speaker 2: Would you count Shakira for sure? So you that's it.
Speaker 2: That's all I can remember. Probably you know, Manula was
Speaker 2: in the eighties. I don't know they they never did
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl. But but.
Speaker 5: Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't watch football.
Speaker 5: I call it foosball. I don't watch football like that.
Speaker 5: But correct me if I'm wrong. Every time, every time
Speaker 5: they've gone on the Super Bowl, maybe minus Glorious stuff,
Speaker 5: it's always been like a double up, like you got
Speaker 5: to bring them out or like one comes out and
Speaker 5: then like j Lo comes out, but she got to
Speaker 5: bring out Hero.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like it's never like somebody on there
Speaker 2: like doing doing the only one that I can even
Speaker 2: remember by himself like that. But could you bring out Drake? No, no,
Speaker 2: Kause you did it? Yeah, I don't remember d Yeah,
Speaker 2: Dre brought out kenderd But.
Speaker 1: Okay, but they had the record together, so she just
Speaker 1: did the hook on the right.
Speaker 6: But I mean yeah, but as his totality, it was
Speaker 6: like basically just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: And Samuel Jackson and Serena Williams. But but what I'm
Speaker 5: saying is for bad Bunny to be able to have
Speaker 5: it for him. Now, if he decides to bring people out,
Speaker 5: that's on him.
Speaker 2: But it's not. It's not an advertised adveratis. This is
Speaker 2: just him. Yeah, And.
Speaker 5: People, I'm going to just be a little bit knowledge
Speaker 5: dropping real quick. People's got to people have to understand something.
Speaker 5: Let's take it back to slavery. Let's take it just
Speaker 5: back to what's supposed to be black and not black,
Speaker 5: and this, that and the third. When the enslaved Africans
Speaker 5: came over here about astually, how much percent do you
Speaker 5: think came to the United States area this part of America?
Speaker 7: If you could guess the percentage of total enslaved people
Speaker 7: that came to the United States, thirty say thirty take
Speaker 7: your guess.
Speaker 6: Five.
Speaker 2: Wow, look at up, five percent of us came here.
Speaker 2: So the other ninety five percent Latin America, Latin America,
Speaker 2: Caribbean and.
Speaker 5: The Caribbean Brazil holds their highest amount of numbers of
Speaker 5: enslaved Africans that come here.
Speaker 2: So everywhere down.
Speaker 5: The African DNA is within all of us, you know,
Speaker 5: and then the colonizers DNA and and and and the
Speaker 5: native DNA. So I'm never gonna look at anybody from
Speaker 5: this side of the world funny style for doing their
Speaker 5: version of hip hop and taking their version of hip
Speaker 5: hop to another level, because we're all doing what we're
Speaker 5: So that's are that's our generational music.
Speaker 2: We may not know what, we may not understand it.
Speaker 5: We may think we're pulling from this, that and the third,
Speaker 5: but we're pulling from a DNA strand that's that's longer
Speaker 5: than any of.
Speaker 2: Us can think of.
Speaker 5: And we're all putting our own stamp on it and
Speaker 5: changing it and adding to it, and whatever else you
Speaker 5: get from around the world is based on our influence
Speaker 5: that we have on around the world, you know.
Speaker 2: And so, like I said back to bad Bunny, you're like, yo,
Speaker 2: let's rock. Okay, you from this side of the world,
Speaker 2: and you're doing your thing, and and it's based in
Speaker 2: what we all do in love rock. Get on that
Speaker 2: stage and kill it.
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that all of his songs
Speaker 1: has very little English as possible exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Apple is introducing their new I like their translation translation.
Speaker 6: I'm saying genius that they're the sponsor, and then they're introduced.
Speaker 2: He'll still be singing and Spanish. Wait wait, wait, how's
Speaker 2: this gonna work. He's gonna be on stage.
Speaker 1: They got Google goggles right now, they got a person
Speaker 1: could speak to you Google goggles.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they got the translations. What was
Speaker 2: his name? Show Speed.
Speaker 1: I see him in China and as the lady was
Speaker 1: talking to him, he puts on the glasses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it translates. You know.
Speaker 5: Let me tell yourself, the ladies, I'm gonna speak to
Speaker 5: all the ladies. Y'all get your nails done at the
Speaker 5: at the Korean nail spots. And you hear them talking.
Speaker 5: You want to know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Just get the glasses, get the translators, and just sit
Speaker 2: sit back. Oh listen, bro, it's crazy. We're talking about
Speaker 2: this today. Homie and Mike. He called me accidentally on
Speaker 2: his phone. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I never even knew that there was an app for
Speaker 6: this or whatever the fuck he has on his phone.
Speaker 6: He's mumbling, he's talking, but he's he called me by accident. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so he's not talking to me. He's talking somewhere and
Speaker 6: I hear come with look and I'm like, the fuck.
Speaker 6: I hear him talking in English? Yeah, in the background
Speaker 6: and there's a translator talking to me. Oh but okay, see,
Speaker 6: okay go and some cans, yeah forget, what the fuck
Speaker 6: I go? I was like, yo, what you gotta.
Speaker 2: Trans He said, yoh yeah, I have the translator app.
Speaker 6: When I called Puerto Rico, I don't speak Spanish, so
Speaker 6: I called and I use the translator.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do it all the time. I know that
Speaker 2: shit existed. I do it all the time.
Speaker 5: That my guy that fixes my computers and stuff, he's
Speaker 5: from China, he don't know no English.
Speaker 2: I walk in with Google Translate.
Speaker 5: I say I need this hard drip blah blah blah,
Speaker 5: and I just show him, show him the words or
Speaker 5: sometimes they'll say it.
Speaker 2: But before I did that, I didn't know.
Speaker 5: And you know, like I think, especially black people, we
Speaker 5: think that somebody's always talking about us when he hears
Speaker 5: something in another language.
Speaker 2: Are they talking about us sometimes? But they might not be.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to test that out.
Speaker 5: I'm getting my hard drive fixed and the guys from
Speaker 5: China and they't chopping it up, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: I know they talking about me.
Speaker 2: I put that Google Translate on and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: my sister's a whore. Shit. I was like, you don't
Speaker 2: under sound. I gotta talk some personal my sister. Man
Speaker 2: she came yo, man, I was, he was. He was
Speaker 2: going in on the system. The sister came in in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night. He knows she was smashing
Speaker 2: the dude next door. I was like, yeah, so you
Speaker 2: know it's I think if you don't get.
Speaker 5: The Google Glasses of the Apple thing, at least get
Speaker 5: Google Translate on your phone, go into a space that
Speaker 5: you're not familiar with and just turn it on.
Speaker 2: You'll be surprised that what you you might hear somebody
Speaker 2: going in on you. You might not, but we need
Speaker 2: that formis to lead. When he announced this thing, hold
Speaker 2: on Flowers.
Speaker 1: Well, you know our show was about giving people they
Speaker 1: flowers while they could smell them. Yes, they thought what
Speaker 1: they could tell them, They thought what they can think
Speaker 1: of them. And he drinks while they.
Speaker 2: Can drink them, and this smoke while you can yes,
Speaker 2: and the smoke while you can't help that Snoop. Snoop said,
Speaker 2: it's better than the Grammy because it comes for your people.
Speaker 2: You see your watch, that's a beautiful watch me, Oh
Speaker 2: my god. The piano watch. Piano watch that's fine. I
Speaker 2: don't know what time it is. No, y'all people, y'all
Speaker 2: gonna be substitute drinkers, drinkers. Yes, what's happening. We're gonna
Speaker 2: play the drinking game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there no first they're going I'm not want
Speaker 1: to I want one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that.
Speaker 5: I never I never received the grammy, so I'm not
Speaker 5: even changing, but I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: How this is going one hundred percent on the wall
Speaker 2: so close to him like that, man, come on, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be a drinker. Okay, okay, So we're gonna play
Speaker 2: that game. Yeah, yes, yes, god, guy, let's go. Let's go,
Speaker 2: my man. Oh yeah, sat game. So that's that's my boy.
Speaker 2: That that he said he went to gold up. Man
Speaker 2: it up with your brother. Yeah yeah, the government. Well
Speaker 2: that's good, it's good. You know, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you know. Names no longer with us,
Speaker 2: but you know, man, that my brother. Yeah yeah, did
Speaker 2: you know that? Yeah, I'm almost of the roofs.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, he's not gonna have to drink, so yeah,
Speaker 6: but you have to just need a drink. This is
Speaker 6: this is our drinking game. We're gonna give you two choices. Yeah,
Speaker 6: if you pick one, nobody drinks. If you can't pick
Speaker 6: like you you say both, you say neither of them.
Speaker 2: We all drink. Well, you don't drink your this is
Speaker 2: you right there? Nor is good? Doesn't drink over? Can
Speaker 2: you hold it? Man? I don't, but hold on? What
Speaker 2: are you drinking? And can you drinking all the wrong ship? Alright? Cool? Cool,
Speaker 2: You explained a lot better than that.
Speaker 6: But the main thing about this game is whatever we're
Speaker 6: bringing up things that we just want you to bring up,
Speaker 6: any story, anything that you know encourages you to bring
Speaker 6: up a story or.
Speaker 2: Or mention something about something you know. So you ready, yep,
Speaker 2: NAS or l L. Nothing nothing against NADS. But I
Speaker 2: gotta go with l L for for.
Speaker 5: A lot of reasons because NAS NAS took the queen ship,
Speaker 5: yes into orbit or out of orbit. For l L
Speaker 5: put that queen ship into orbit. Starts between L and
Speaker 5: so I got I always got it. Like my first
Speaker 5: the first time I ever saw l LL, I was
Speaker 5: in high school. I was cutting class and my schools
Speaker 5: around the corner from Fifth Avenue and that diamond shop
Speaker 5: Van Cleef and Arpels. Like anybody go to Van cleefand
Speaker 5: all pells you spending money. It ain't it ain't nothing.
Speaker 5: It ain't Canal Street Diamonds. That's some other ship. So
Speaker 5: I'm stilling. Yep, I'm standing in front of Van Cleef
Speaker 5: and ll pels me and my boys, and this red
Speaker 5: audi pulls up like it was in slow motion like
Speaker 5: in a movie. Then the doors open up like in
Speaker 5: a movie, and then all the sweed smoke comes out.
Speaker 5: And then first it was E Love, el El's boy
Speaker 5: that he came out one side was like shit, e Love,
Speaker 5: and then slowly came out the driver.
Speaker 2: See it comes l big chains and everything, and we're
Speaker 2: standing there like kids, like oh shit, and you know
Speaker 2: he gives up. They're like what up, little dudes, And
Speaker 2: it just goes into the vanklet and I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: that ship is a rap star. That is a star.
Speaker 2: This is this is I need love LLL. I'm bad L.
Speaker 2: You know you see that pull up. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: you know, na, this is another level. But LL is
Speaker 2: that first? Like superstarted from Queens. Yeah yeah, wait, you're
Speaker 2: not supposed to drink. No drink anyways, he volunteered for
Speaker 2: the job or lost Boys. Oh man, Queens Queens Queens
Speaker 2: Queens Queens. So Frederie used to be my barber. I
Speaker 2: heard that and he had dreads back then. Yep, your
Speaker 2: barber when you had the Heights of Faide FREDROI was
Speaker 2: my barber. Sticky was in school with me, freaky tief.
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken piece live right because I used to
Speaker 2: live in the South Side too. Oh wow.
Speaker 5: I moved around a lot, so I think ty. I
Speaker 5: used to live right behind Baisley, so I think Holly
Speaker 5: close to me. I would see him all the time.
Speaker 5: Me and mister Cheeks have the same day, wow, on
Speaker 5: the same year. So y'all gonna have to drink Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's cheers. Knew I knew that. I knew
Speaker 2: that was going get me describing both of you. I can't,
Speaker 2: I can't do it, okay, beating nuts so kidn't play?
Speaker 2: How are you gonna put them to again? These guys?
Speaker 1: That makes the questions the Colombian and Dominican. It's the
Speaker 1: cocaine section over there.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I gotta I have to put
Speaker 2: it to kids and play.
Speaker 5: They're they're like my my o gs, you know, like
Speaker 5: I meet betnuts after the fact, and I love all
Speaker 5: the beat nuts suff shouts the least juju. I love
Speaker 5: that stuff. But if it weren't for Kidd and play A,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have been on that n w A tour
Speaker 5: because they were on the tour first. And it's like, well,
Speaker 5: you gotta bring kwalm.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: The first film I was in, well, the only film
Speaker 5: I was in was this movie called Class Act.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had a.
Speaker 5: I was supposed to be one of the lead parts
Speaker 5: in the in the film, but then I got beat
Speaker 5: out by this guy, by the comedian.
Speaker 2: Dougie d Dougie Dougie Dog Dougie doug But I still.
Speaker 5: They still, you know, they insisted that I at least
Speaker 5: have a part in the movie, so I got given
Speaker 5: to the Kid and play Man.
Speaker 2: Those are my Those are like my big brothers. Speak
Speaker 2: to them almost every day. So it's like, yeah, shout
Speaker 2: out to them, shout out to both, but shout outs.
Speaker 1: To be nuts for sure, for sure, Eric B or
Speaker 1: Coogie or Garry being rock Kim DJs for Oho, oh man, we'll.
Speaker 2: Give you a story. Yes please, that's why we do this.
Speaker 2: DJ Polo knocks on my door, open the door, said,
Speaker 2: I got my friend with me. We're gonna hang out.
Speaker 2: So incomes and let's see if you know who this
Speaker 2: guy is. So in comes through my door. Ron Jeremy,
Speaker 2: the porn guy. I just saw something about he's an
Speaker 2: extraded So Jeremy Jeremy walks into my house with DJ Polo.
Speaker 2: I did not put this together. This is the weird
Speaker 2: sh and he was like, yo, you want to hang out?
Speaker 2: And I was like, hang out? Where ware y'are two going?
Speaker 2: He said, you already knew who Ron Jeremy was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: who didn't know Ron from the nineties. I mean, Sonny
Speaker 2: definitely knew who he was.
Speaker 6: I would have pulled up and didn't even saying like
Speaker 6: this is you said, I would have pulled out.
Speaker 2: I would have pulled up wherever where we're run going,
Speaker 2: you're pulling out.
Speaker 5: So he was, and he was like, Paulo was like
Speaker 5: recipes in my bro Polo. Paulo was like, here's my boy, Ronnie.
Speaker 5: We're about to go out, and I'm like, all right, Ronnie.
Speaker 5: So we get in the car are and we started
Speaker 5: going to party after party, and every party we went
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 2: Was like the porno Hall of Fame. Man, and I'm
Speaker 2: just sitting there like, oh, that's homegirl, that's homegirl, and
Speaker 2: like we were just going to like the wildest one
Speaker 2: stars I personally, but you yourself. We didn't say.
Speaker 8: And if y'all knowing Jeremy was, you don't know what
Speaker 8: he did? Yes, I need to look that party and
Speaker 8: y'all still know who he was at Yeah, hey lady soe,
Speaker 8: So then you know we it was just a wild night.
Speaker 8: But Polo was that type of guy that he was
Speaker 8: just he was just a funny guy.
Speaker 2: Man. It was just a cool guy to hang out.
Speaker 2: He on the other and he's just like mass serious
Speaker 2: man likes you don't if you don't know Eric, you
Speaker 2: don't know what you're about to get.
Speaker 5: And the crew around Eric, you know, if you don't
Speaker 5: know these guys, it's like, you know, it might be
Speaker 5: snakes on a plane.
Speaker 2: You don't know what's gonna happen. So y'all gonna have
Speaker 2: to take a drink because Okay, now rock him or
Speaker 2: Coolgie Rap? Couldie Rapp? Okay said that fast? Okay, Well
Speaker 2: I bet you rob him? Even say Coolie Rap? Pretty sure? Okay,
Speaker 2: pretty sure? Because g Rap.
Speaker 5: I think g Rapp is probably, if not the greatest
Speaker 5: rapper I've ever heard, one of the top three ever ever,
Speaker 5: like ever, ever, ever, ever, Like I remember you probably
Speaker 5: remember the United States of America.
Speaker 2: We'll say this roller Rink and queens, and I remember
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 5: I remember because he's from around my wife, so you know,
Speaker 5: we all know the same people and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I remember she was performing. He had a record out,
Speaker 2: I'm Fly and it's a demo. It's a demo. Changed
Speaker 2: my life, those two records.
Speaker 5: So if anybody doesn't know about USA roller Rink, that's
Speaker 5: where I got my start. Me master A's father mc
Speaker 5: s we got our start there, like on rap battles
Speaker 5: and contests and all those kinds of queens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now from.
Speaker 5: Just so, but every Sunday night, anybody would perform there,
Speaker 5: like anybody one DMC madonna New Edition. Could you wrap
Speaker 5: DJ Polo, every brack can Every Sunday night, you catching
Speaker 5: somebody if you're able to survive that Sunday night, because
Speaker 5: it was all survival in there, you you might not
Speaker 5: make it out.
Speaker 2: A lot of cocaine, a lot of bullets, a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of knives.
Speaker 5: Don't let don't let like that, crew ball Busters, Crew
Speaker 5: come through with the zoo will be there like there's
Speaker 5: some other other ship.
Speaker 2: So ball it was a crew called the ball Bus.
Speaker 2: I was just playing it was the name of the crew.
Speaker 2: So back then they wasn't thinking it wasn't on our
Speaker 2: wave plane. Yeah, there was no pauses. They were they're
Speaker 2: coming with the ball buses. Pause, boy, change the name.
Speaker 2: So so you have she gets on stage.
Speaker 5: Before she gets on safe, all these girls are around,
Speaker 5: and I remember hearing these girls from around the way.
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't know who he think he is.
Speaker 2: Used to call him Abdual Back then, I don't know
Speaker 2: abdu think he is.
Speaker 6: He ain't.
Speaker 2: He ain't even that fly. I would never don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't I ain't even working with him.
Speaker 5: So he gets on stage and had on his leather
Speaker 5: leather suit and he starts doing I'm Fly and he's rhyming,
Speaker 5: and the girls is just like sitting there like.
Speaker 2: And he's handing the girl's roses while he's rapping.
Speaker 5: And then he goes into giving it's a demo, and
Speaker 5: he pulls out nots of money.
Speaker 2: He starts throwing it in the cloud, and all I
Speaker 2: remember is the girls going, oh, I'm going to fuck him.
Speaker 2: I'm going to fuck him. I'm like, yo, I'm like, gee, Rapp,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So that was one of my first interests of seeing
Speaker 5: how people act to somebody who who who's a superstar
Speaker 5: or who's becoming a rap star.
Speaker 2: And I think ge style.
Speaker 5: Between Rock, Kim, Kane, and Giva I called him the
Speaker 5: Three Horsemen their styles into wolf and they created what
Speaker 5: we considered modern lyricist raps. But I know for a
Speaker 5: fact talking about him talking to Kane, I know for
Speaker 5: a fact that everybody watched Grapp.
Speaker 2: G rap spit a rhyme.
Speaker 5: Somebody's gonna be like, oh, I gotta get a better
Speaker 5: rhyme than that, because g Baptists came through, you know so,
Speaker 5: and one of the greatest records to me pull it
Speaker 5: up is over the Big Daddy came Robby's Kane and
Speaker 5: g rapped back to back, going back to back. Probably
Speaker 5: g raps rhyme is probably one of the best rhymes ever.
Speaker 5: You know, he goes in, so I'm gonna have to
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna I'm automatically and he's from Queens, He's
Speaker 5: from around my way, So I'm.
Speaker 2: Gone with no disrespect to Rob Kim.
Speaker 5: I wrote, I love rock him right there next to
Speaker 5: the grapp but I gotta go with you at first, but.
Speaker 2: JA can ring too. Run DMC or APM D oh
Speaker 2: see EPM D I love because how Eric.
Speaker 5: Was making those I love Eric Sermon as a producer
Speaker 5: like I love him as a producer, and I love
Speaker 5: that vibe that they would bring him. But I'm always
Speaker 5: going to give it to run DMC over everybody. You
Speaker 5: could say, run DMC and running m C and running
Speaker 5: It's always going to be run DMC because without run DMC,
Speaker 5: wouldn't We would have never had no MTV play. We
Speaker 5: would have never been outside of New York. We would
Speaker 5: have never had clothing endorsements. We would have never spent
Speaker 5: all our moneys at Benny's.
Speaker 2: And Coliseum on fat rope chains anti Yeah, exactlyt Yeah,
Speaker 2: we would have the bubble Gooses with the V's, the
Speaker 2: the Cagos, the Gazelles.
Speaker 5: They they took hip hop out of looking like earth
Speaker 5: winding fire. Think about it, and there's no dis to Yeah,
Speaker 5: they had to dress like what they saw.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Other artists at the time, like disco artists, funk artists,
Speaker 5: they figured if we dress like that, we will be accepted.
Speaker 2: We're running them. See what the first people belay. We
Speaker 2: don't need to be Yeah, we don't need to be accepted,
Speaker 2: We just need to be respected. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So they came through and they said, you don't gotta
Speaker 2: like us, forgive us respect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So always running them, seat always and I And I'm
Speaker 5: gonna look at any rapper, anybody who knows hip hop
Speaker 5: is about a hip hop that won't say run DMC first.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm looking at y'all go crazy.
Speaker 5: Somebody else could be your favorite group personally, but you
Speaker 5: but you gotta yeah, you gotta give it. I'm talking
Speaker 5: about to this day. To this day, I wish I
Speaker 5: wish you could be on a stage because it's a
Speaker 5: rare thing now and watch Run and d come out
Speaker 5: and perform.
Speaker 2: Like right now.
Speaker 5: The looks on people's faces from the artists, like every
Speaker 5: artist on the show will pile up on the side
Speaker 5: of the stage.
Speaker 2: Like shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Grown up kids, they'd be in an audience like they're
Speaker 5: like mega rock stars when they decide to get together
Speaker 5: and do like once every five years or whatever, they'll
Speaker 5: do it, and I respect the fact that there's no
Speaker 5: more run DMC without a jam master Jay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they don't kind of do shows.
Speaker 1: At first, I used to hurt me, but you know
Speaker 1: I got to see them somewhat on the rock stadium.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, they went together. But I do kind
Speaker 2: of like fail them both where you know, there's kind.
Speaker 1: Of a lot of DJ that can replace jam messages. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I failed them, but I do want to see them
Speaker 1: together on more hours. The next one, large pro q ten.
Speaker 2: Damn man, y'all gonna have to drink, man, But let
Speaker 2: me break that down.
Speaker 5: Then Large Pro, especially being from from pretty much the neighborhood,
Speaker 5: I think Large Pro helped the usher in an era
Speaker 5: where the beats were like there was no more water
Speaker 5: down beats, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It was like main source, main sauce was ship, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And then you had, you know, from from the NAS
Speaker 5: album to just different things that he was doing, Like
Speaker 5: you had to respect like he was he was mastering
Speaker 5: a SB twelve hundred man. And but then I look
Speaker 5: at Tip. What I what I admired the most about
Speaker 5: Tip is Tip was is a master producer. But when
Speaker 5: he was doing the Tribe album, he never made it
Speaker 5: about him producing the stuff. It always said produced by
Speaker 5: Tribe called Quest. So you didn't think Tip was that
Speaker 5: master producer until he started doing like you know, we
Speaker 5: thought yeah right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, and Ali was
Speaker 5: doing this thing too, but but I'm saying, and Ali
Speaker 5: snow doesn't Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, we thought he was just an MC. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And so so when Tip started doing like cookling Dodgers
Speaker 5: and nas and and all the other stuff, You're like, yeao,
Speaker 5: hold up here, and and it's just like, I just
Speaker 5: think both both have a framework that's just amazing. And
Speaker 5: I could I can't put one over the over.
Speaker 2: Drink drink drink salut Pete Rock or per Man.
Speaker 5: Oh I won't drink to that one too was out
Speaker 5: the way because Pete. What I love about Pete Rock.
Speaker 5: First of all, me and him love comic book So
Speaker 5: when we talk, we only talk about the whole. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we boths and toys. Yeah, so we collect comic books.
Speaker 5: So so we have that in common. But Pete's a
Speaker 5: master at the soul and the jazz, the obscure soul
Speaker 5: and jazz sample, I don't think nobody can do okay,
Speaker 5: and I can get technical right now, the what they
Speaker 5: call filter rank where you filter out the temple and
Speaker 5: you just hit a baseline. And that was some real
Speaker 5: like like you listen to Troy or or like King
Speaker 5: King of Rock up down with the King Remix or
Speaker 5: just certain certain records his When you listen to his production,
Speaker 5: it's like you're looking into the ocean. Man, It's like
Speaker 5: some deep shit. It's like it's layers to it. And
Speaker 5: I love Pete for that. Primo is the chop king,
Speaker 5: the king, like you will never be able to chop
Speaker 5: like Primo, and yeah that and like he finds these
Speaker 5: chops and and I love Primo for it because that's
Speaker 5: how when I was producing my first album, that's what
Speaker 5: I was doing, Like nobody was really chopping like that.
Speaker 5: So like records like the Rhythm and other records, I
Speaker 5: was doing the chops, but Primo was taking it, took
Speaker 5: it to a whole other level and just took one
Speaker 5: sound and tuned it and chopped it and made it
Speaker 5: a thing like.
Speaker 2: What's the kicking the door? For example, pump that joint.
Speaker 5: Is I put a spell on you and you listen
Speaker 5: to the record, it's like a nice bounce to it.
Speaker 5: But the way he took those different stabs, and then
Speaker 5: it's all about the beasts that he programmed under it.
Speaker 5: And what I loved about Primo is he never let up.
Speaker 5: He never conformed to new equipment. He stayed on his MP,
Speaker 5: stayed on it, but his nine fifty. And that's what
Speaker 5: gave it the grit. As other like new machines started
Speaker 5: coming out, prem always stuck to that, so preame and.
Speaker 2: Pete apples and oranges. Pream got that grit. He got
Speaker 2: that depth. So I can never put anything up against
Speaker 2: each other. Okay, here we did analog or digital.
Speaker 5: Analog, then you switch it to digital because you think
Speaker 5: about this, you know, for those that don't understand the
Speaker 5: analog or digital, A lot of people from this Jenner
Speaker 5: for the last two generations only no digital. You know,
Speaker 5: a CD if that's the oldest thing you may know
Speaker 5: as a CD. Now you know what you hear on
Speaker 5: your phone and now you got things like looseless and
Speaker 5: atmost and all this other stuff that's supposed to make
Speaker 5: your stuff sound crispy and nice. But from my era
Speaker 5: and back then, we had to we were recording the tape.
Speaker 5: The tape makes, for lack of a better term, the
Speaker 5: tape makes the sound thicker. That eighto weight is going
Speaker 5: to punch you in your whole chest and crack you
Speaker 5: in half. Because that analog sound, there's a beef to it,
Speaker 5: and like analog equalizers and different controllers, there's like a
Speaker 5: knock that you cannot replace with digital. Also, there's and
Speaker 5: I'm getting kind of technical, if you play a record
Speaker 5: and you play a CD playing back to back, the
Speaker 5: record sounds stronger, The record sounds thicker, there's a depth to.
Speaker 3: It, and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like it's Christmas nice. It's like, yeah, think
Speaker 5: about what the CD is. The CD was created for
Speaker 5: classical music. The very first CD record it was either
Speaker 5: it was definitely a classical record. And then the very
Speaker 5: first pop CD record was like an Elton a Billie
Speaker 5: Joel record and the only soul in Japan because they
Speaker 5: wanted it was that was their technology.
Speaker 2: It was never intended for hip hop at all at first.
Speaker 2: So you have that. But the analog there's an there's
Speaker 2: a hiss in the analog. There's a noise that most
Speaker 2: ears will never hear, but it makes it. It gives
Speaker 2: it a different thing.
Speaker 5: So I'm always gonna go with animal log and I
Speaker 5: know I'm getting super technical on everybody.
Speaker 2: No, He's like, just got hurry up.
Speaker 5: What I like to do is I try to do
Speaker 5: as much analog as I can, or as much low
Speaker 5: level digital as I can, and then transfer it to digital,
Speaker 5: so at least I have some of that wear and
Speaker 5: what I what I'm producing.
Speaker 6: That We had Quick on the show and he and well,
Speaker 6: I don't think he said it on the show, but
Speaker 6: I've heard him say before that analog absorbs the energy
Speaker 6: in the room.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that cannot be replaced with digital.
Speaker 5: Quickest, hands down one of the greatest producers ever. Like
Speaker 5: I remember being in the studio back working on something
Speaker 5: for jay Z and Quick was in there. He was
Speaker 5: doing I don't know if this record ever came out,
Speaker 5: but he redid a Madonna record Justify My Love, and
Speaker 5: he did a jay Z record called Justify My Thug.
Speaker 5: I think it's called I don't know if if it
Speaker 5: ever came out. It is on the back elbm Okay.
Speaker 5: So Quick was working on the record at the time
Speaker 5: and I was watching him how he was laying down
Speaker 5: his stuff and he was like laying like three snaires
Speaker 5: at a time, four kicks at a time.
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, what the hell you doing?
Speaker 5: He's like, Yo, I gotta I gotta make it feel
Speaker 5: like analog, So I gotta like double and triple it
Speaker 5: up so it could just punch people in the face.
Speaker 2: And I never could. I know that.
Speaker 5: I mastered a lot of things, but I'm always a student,
Speaker 5: So I'll sit back in any producer session and just pete.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna jack them for this stuff, but I'm
Speaker 5: a peep how they get down. And I really admired
Speaker 5: how quick was on his game like that, like he's
Speaker 5: always on his game.
Speaker 2: So did we have to drink to that or did
Speaker 2: we not? No? I said, Okay, Mike Geronimo or World
Speaker 2: Flush and you, oh, you killing me.
Speaker 5: They're gonna drink because I think they both represent between
Speaker 5: they both present. They represent Flushing queens and Flushing. When
Speaker 5: I was growing up, Flushing was half.
Speaker 2: Black. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: When I was like when I was a little kid,
Speaker 5: Flushing was half black, half Italian. Okay, they call it
Speaker 5: white flight. Italians moved out the you know, blacks moved
Speaker 5: in a little bit more, but then out of.
Speaker 2: Definitely Haitian, Jamaicans, we were all in it together. And then.
Speaker 5: Started you started seeing it in spurts, Chinese, Korean. But
Speaker 5: that wave got bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker 2: So by the time the nineties came, what you thought
Speaker 2: was a black neighborhood or predominantly black neighborhood.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about perfect example, Bland Projects. You go up
Speaker 5: in the Bland Projects in the eighties, it's black. You
Speaker 5: go there right now, all Chinese, all like you never.
Speaker 2: Think of Main Street period. Yeah, Main Street going in
Speaker 2: from Roosevelt going into to Main Street. Chinese food in
Speaker 2: the world, Main Street, and and that Roger Yeah, y yeah,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like they got places. That's nice out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they got places. So you have you have the Bland,
Speaker 2: you have Pomanac, you have what's the co Street from
Speaker 2: the name of the three projects forgot. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But but when I was a kid, it was predominantly black,
Speaker 5: and now it's predominantly Asian and and and the community
Speaker 5: is so different.
Speaker 2: Once that busy Bee Mall Cane, you know, busy Bee
Speaker 2: Mares on.
Speaker 5: Main Once that came, you started to see you it
Speaker 5: was like a gentrification of a neighborhood. And now you
Speaker 5: go into that. If I knocked every one of y'all
Speaker 5: out and I drop y'all in the middle of Flushing Queens,
Speaker 5: you would think you were in Hong Kong somewhere like
Speaker 5: no lot, because every sign is in Chinese, the signs,
Speaker 5: all the signs of every sign, all the stores, no way,
Speaker 5: the police, yeah, the police officers everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they were neighborhood. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know if it's racist. I'm not
Speaker 5: going to say call it racist at all. It's just
Speaker 5: a culture. It's a different culture.
Speaker 1: And when they moved to like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and then they so if it's like you always use Haitians,
Speaker 1: so it's like just supposed a bunch of Haitians move there,
Speaker 1: then they take.
Speaker 2: Over originally yeah, supermarkets. Yeah yeah. Is it a race
Speaker 2: like me, you can't go into that part of town?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's that. But I believe that the
Speaker 5: Asian culture is very close knit. I think every ethnic
Speaker 5: culture at its core is very cold, close knit. So
Speaker 5: when you're not from that culture, they just gonna be like,
Speaker 5: all right, see what he's doing, and that's it. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: And then you know, but but anybody from Queens and
Speaker 5: from that neighborhood, we're in and out of that neighborhood
Speaker 5: at all times.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, it's just it's a mixture
Speaker 2: of cultures.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of people got to understand
Speaker 5: that that, especially food, food brings every culture together.
Speaker 2: Music, food and music. But there's no Black neighborhood without
Speaker 2: Asian food. You know what I'm saying. Don't work? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you get me to ask ole smoke weed. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: can get kicked out of some yeah, but yeah, it
Speaker 2: was universe, so it's not Yeah, we I mean food
Speaker 2: and food and music brings everybody together. Man, it's it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, NPC two thousand XL or n PC two thousand
Speaker 1: XL mp.
Speaker 2: MPC. I don't even know what you said are I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're talking about money.
Speaker 5: Nah, And I know people like Alchemists and and who
Speaker 5: else does a SR Tim Timbo does SR I believe
Speaker 5: he does SR Rizza that's as R.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're never getting me to go past the MPC
Speaker 2: two thousand excel. Okay, Big Daddy Kane on jay Z.
Speaker 5: Come on, stop man, I'm picking one. I'm picking Kane
Speaker 5: because I believe without Caine that might not.
Speaker 2: Be a Jay jaz was. I agree, Yeah, I agree, saying.
Speaker 5: So even though Jay and Jazzo were running around but
Speaker 5: at the same time as a Caine.
Speaker 2: But Cain.
Speaker 5: Correct me if I'm wrong, But I believe Kine gave
Speaker 5: Jay platforms put him on singles. You know when when
Speaker 5: when the nineties era is rushing ushering in and we're
Speaker 5: getting away from from the style that he was using
Speaker 5: with with Jazzo. It was putting him in a platform.
Speaker 5: And and I think I heard Kane say this recently.
Speaker 5: Kine was trying to get him a deal and couldn't
Speaker 5: get him a deal.
Speaker 2: But I think.
Speaker 5: Cain allowed people to know and respect Jay at another
Speaker 5: level and then Jay took it from there.
Speaker 2: So I got it. I got Yeah, Kine in general,
Speaker 2: just on what do you different in hip hop?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to give him that like Jay might
Speaker 6: not take it there like a lot of people might.
Speaker 2: If not, Kane takes it there. You could understand the
Speaker 2: impact of Kin.
Speaker 5: To this day, rappers mentioned Kane, Jay's mentioned King, people
Speaker 5: mentioned Kane to this day. Two rappers that always get
Speaker 5: mentioned the most to me is like a Caine and
Speaker 5: a slick Rick Kane, slick Rick ll rock Camp. Yeah,
Speaker 5: those four get mentioned by anybody and you can say
Speaker 5: their name and nobody's going to be like, what are
Speaker 5: you talking about?
Speaker 2: You know? So, so I gotta give it to Kane
Speaker 2: at all times. The big shouts to Jay Malcolm xel
Speaker 2: Marcus Garvey. So you're not supposed to put them too
Speaker 2: against each other because what they're supposed to do is
Speaker 2: be together on and so y'all got drink on that, right,
Speaker 2: that's right? Yeah, Illmatic on thirty six Chambers. That's kind
Speaker 2: of a drink too. That's going to be a drink.
Speaker 1: But no, thirty six Chambers came up with the same
Speaker 1: pretty much like a year before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's the same era. That's why they went on tour together.
Speaker 1: I mean, because yeah, so do you gotta drink to that?
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say this, Illmatic showed because kind of
Speaker 1: like before Illmatic.
Speaker 5: Artists like myself, we were told that we had to
Speaker 5: make these radio or waded down records in order to
Speaker 5: go anywhere.
Speaker 2: You were actually told that, yeah, one hundred percent label
Speaker 2: management or who both seventeen eighteen. Yeah. Like for example,
Speaker 2: like say I used my record the rhythm.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, but we were told to chill it,
Speaker 5: chill it out, So you got Illmatic comes out and
Speaker 5: it blows and it's like, yo, we could just be us.
Speaker 1: It's not a radio driven sounded out but still you
Speaker 1: want to play this on a radio.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a groundbreaking and he's just being he's just
Speaker 2: being in them c just being here. Yes, so.
Speaker 5: That's groundbreaking into itself and he's from Queens. Then you
Speaker 5: got thirty six Chambers to me, thirty six Chambers told
Speaker 5: me that hip hop is at a certain place because
Speaker 5: anything goes now.
Speaker 2: Thirty six Chambers, you just got records. You got a
Speaker 2: dudes rhyming on a record. You know, there's no real
Speaker 2: main hook that you just repeating everything. It's no poppy
Speaker 2: hook or nothing like that. It's just dude going in bar,
Speaker 2: foot ball, football and it's working. Let me ask you,
Speaker 2: how does it go backwards in that way? How does
Speaker 2: hip hop go back to its essence?
Speaker 5: Because I think I think two things happen. It's gonna
Speaker 5: sound weird. But when white kids got into rap, they
Speaker 5: got into rap at the age of your m t
Speaker 5: V raps anything.
Speaker 2: Before that, then they may know what they may not know.
Speaker 2: It's it's a toss up.
Speaker 5: But the white audience really got into it because they
Speaker 5: watched MTV all day long. Rap hip hop was rebel
Speaker 5: music and culture yeah and every yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: A whole. So they wanted to rebel against it. Parents.
Speaker 5: So the harder the rap record was, that's the record
Speaker 5: that they were playing. So they started with NWA. Fuck
Speaker 5: the Police, Mom, you know, and like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, there's like what are you listening to?
Speaker 5: You know, and that's where you know, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: al Gore's wife's tip of Gore her kids was playing
Speaker 5: in n WA or Public Enemy or something, and she
Speaker 5: didn't like it, and so she ushered in that parental
Speaker 5: advisory there. You know, there was a time that you
Speaker 5: had to You couldn't buy a rap record. You couldn't
Speaker 5: even pull it off the shelf anymore. You had to
Speaker 5: ask for it behind the counter after one part. So
Speaker 5: flash forward to we got We Have Wu Tang and
Speaker 5: acts like that. That's just rebel music. You know, you
Speaker 5: playing Protect your Neck and you're in some suburban household
Speaker 5: and your mom is listening to Elton John and you
Speaker 5: start throwing that protecting neck, going real out or met
Speaker 5: h d.
Speaker 9: Man and then the mobs like you don't listen to
Speaker 9: things like this, and it's like that's and now you
Speaker 9: flash forward, go to a Woo Tang show.
Speaker 2: Tell me what you see in that audiences forty forty
Speaker 2: five year old white guys. That was like that was
Speaker 2: that was kids? Yeah, yeah, with the kids like we
Speaker 2: whole bitches. Ye yeah, It's like I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: ship and you need to pal with girl.
Speaker 5: No, no, it's it's real and it's worldwide. And and
Speaker 5: that's when I understood. I think up to this point,
Speaker 5: hip hop was trying to find its voice.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Hip hop's when it started. We were rapping over disco beats.
Speaker 5: You know, we we we were doing our break beats
Speaker 5: in the park or whatever. But our records had to
Speaker 5: reflect the popular disco record. And then it was the
Speaker 5: you know, electoral records.
Speaker 2: And then you know the house record. Yeah, but then
Speaker 2: but run back to one m C. They told us
Speaker 2: now we can be we could be us. But then
Speaker 2: they did ero Smith the rock record. Well, because I
Speaker 2: think that hip hop and like punk rock were in
Speaker 2: the same yeah, yeah, you know, but I'm saying we were.
Speaker 5: Also, we also thought that we had to make a
Speaker 5: record that, for lack of a better term, that white.
Speaker 2: People would like.
Speaker 5: So for example, crossover. Yeah, like we thought we had
Speaker 5: to make that. Some artists went all the way with it,
Speaker 5: like for example, let's take salt pepper, push it, push
Speaker 5: it real good.
Speaker 2: That was a joke.
Speaker 5: They wasn't serious about making records. They're in the studios
Speaker 5: bugging out. They're bugging out one because of Miami Base.
Speaker 2: Yo, yo yo, that's fucked those No no, no, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not a clown to no, no, no, but listen, listen,
Speaker 2: this is what it was. New Yorkers had. New Yorkers
Speaker 2: had a chip on their shoulder.
Speaker 1: We didn't expect anything that wasn't Liverpool. Yeah, if it
Speaker 1: wasn't Liver Cool, it wasn't Kim or anything.
Speaker 2: Were not with it.
Speaker 5: And you gotta understand, like even from when I first
Speaker 5: started the lyrical content of Miami Bass, there was no
Speaker 5: like for us. It wasn't like we're not trying to
Speaker 5: rhyme like that, you know, And I'm gonna take it
Speaker 5: all the way back to early Miami Like I would
Speaker 5: come down here and I.
Speaker 2: Would perform at Strawberries. I would perform at pack Jam. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So so like Uncle Luke brought me to the pack
Speaker 5: Jam and I would get on stage and I'd be
Speaker 5: rocking it and they would rock with me.
Speaker 2: But after my show they would be like bring on.
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, and I'm pappen you think you know?
Speaker 5: And they poka and they thought that was cool. But
Speaker 5: I would always I come to Miami, I'm the opening that.
Speaker 2: It ain't no, it's whoever is shaddy, whoever is going,
Speaker 2: whoever is killing? Yeah, like whoever was rocking that base,
Speaker 2: that's that was that ship and you had to respect it.
Speaker 5: And I think when it came to Salt and Pepper
Speaker 5: and Push It, they didn't get it. And they did
Speaker 5: a show and I think I think it was shoddy
Speaker 5: actually was on the show and Shoty wipe the floor
Speaker 5: with them, like there he came out and they was like.
Speaker 2: Yo, and so as a shoe. They were like, we
Speaker 2: can make a record like that and watch us blow
Speaker 2: up too, because it ain't not and they ain't saying nothing.
Speaker 2: We're gonna make a record like that. So they made
Speaker 2: Push It.
Speaker 5: Look Yeah, and it super blew up and then they
Speaker 5: so it wasn't necessarily clowning.
Speaker 3: It was a.
Speaker 5: It wasn't clown It almost was a parody, but it wasn't.
Speaker 5: But it was also saying, can can we do this too?
Speaker 5: Because we got to understand that there's a whole other
Speaker 5: wave out here. It's not just about the five boroughs.
Speaker 2: We go down south. We gotta respect this base, we
Speaker 2: gotta respect that shot in that time frame, they were
Speaker 2: respecting the South at the time, they weren't. They weren't.
Speaker 5: I think it took time to do that, you know,
Speaker 5: Like for me, I can say the same thing, like
Speaker 5: when we were on that nw A tour and one
Speaker 5: thing about me, like I said, I'm always going to
Speaker 5: be a student. So we're like, who's on the tour
Speaker 5: and it was like somebody named too Short? The fuck
Speaker 5: is too Short and it was like poison plan. I'm like,
Speaker 5: who the hell is that?
Speaker 2: So in order so I don't I didn't know poisoning
Speaker 2: was on that to that's crazy.
Speaker 5: So for me, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna shit
Speaker 5: on them and any anyway. So when I did this,
Speaker 5: I called the store and I bought Poison Clan records.
Speaker 2: I bought Too Short records, and I remember that before
Speaker 2: the tour bus came, we sat up all night and
Speaker 2: listened to every one of they records, like I get it,
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I get it, I don't get it,
Speaker 2: but we respect it. They putting records, even cats, even
Speaker 2: from like Detroit area. There's a rapper named e Sean
Speaker 2: from Detroit and that he's like the was the king
Speaker 2: of Detroit.
Speaker 5: So we pulled out, We're going to Detroit. We need
Speaker 5: to know what is booming is. We need to know
Speaker 5: what it is on the West coast. We need to
Speaker 5: know what these things are. And I think by my
Speaker 5: generation we started to understand that. I think the generation
Speaker 5: before me it was just like what these dudes doing
Speaker 5: down here, They ain't really they're not really doing it.
Speaker 2: So I think it was a learning curve. You know,
Speaker 2: now you know, we know what it is. Now. It's like.
Speaker 5: Can't pull up, you can't pull up down here without
Speaker 5: without playing at this. Especially what they were doing with
Speaker 5: like those triplets on the eight aw eights and those
Speaker 5: triplets you know they were that was like a.
Speaker 2: Revolutionary thing that.
Speaker 5: That's incorporated in music now, Like you can't have half
Speaker 5: of the stuff you can't You couldn't have trapped with out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah for the strip club.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't doubt it was in the strip level.
Speaker 6: But yeah from Tampa, like his his ship was crazy man.
Speaker 2: Yep, sure you got it? Producing or rapping? Is this
Speaker 2: a drink? Still a drinking? Take a drink? Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: remember producing for me, it's gonna sound weird, might sound corny.
Speaker 2: I dream about producer aout.
Speaker 5: I dream about producing, like I have dreams that I
Speaker 5: produce so and so. Today I produce such and such.
Speaker 5: And when I when I have those dreams, when I
Speaker 5: think about it, I think about it at all times.
Speaker 2: I love speaking to other artists. I love being and
Speaker 2: I think the most.
Speaker 5: Vulnerable like personal type settings when you're with an artist
Speaker 5: is when they're creating. You know, you get to know people,
Speaker 5: and you know you might you know, become friends with people.
Speaker 5: Are just know more about them and the type of
Speaker 5: producer I am. I'm not the kind of guy that's like,
Speaker 5: send me some beats. I'm kind of I'm not good
Speaker 5: at that. But if I hung out with you for
Speaker 5: a day and I listened to what you listen to,
Speaker 5: and I listened to your conversation and blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: I'm coming to the studio the next day with a beat.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, remember when you were talking about X
Speaker 5: y Z, I made a beat.
Speaker 2: That's there's the difference between a producer and a person
Speaker 2: who makes me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's the you know, that's the kind of
Speaker 5: producer I am. And I know that's a rare thing
Speaker 5: now now and and but that's how I choose to produce.
Speaker 5: So when everybody, anybody says, send me some beats, I'm like,
Speaker 5: let me sit with the person if I can't.
Speaker 2: Right, That's that's a real productive producer.
Speaker 5: But as an MC, as a writer, as as as
Speaker 5: an MC, A lot of times people try to put
Speaker 5: an age on that and they try to say you
Speaker 5: can't rap past this point, or you shouldn't be rapping
Speaker 5: past this point. But I always thought and MC is
Speaker 5: somebody who expressed was what they were going through, their experiences,
Speaker 5: their feelings, their thoughts, and they have the talent to
Speaker 5: write it out freestyle or whatever it is. They had
Speaker 5: that talent to spit that out. Those thoughts and those feelings,
Speaker 5: those expressions never stop, you know, at any age. So
Speaker 5: for me, like you know whether I put a record
Speaker 5: out or whether or not. I'm I'm in my studio
Speaker 5: writing a rhyme, I'm saying around, I'm doing something, saying.
Speaker 2: Something in my mind. Whatever.
Speaker 5: So and when I produce a record, ten times out
Speaker 5: of ten, I made my own song to that beat.
Speaker 2: That I produced. I may be giving you the beat
Speaker 2: right right, right right, but in my mind it was
Speaker 2: this was a quame record. I heard you say earlier
Speaker 2: that you give the hooks. So those books, I can't
Speaker 2: make a beat without making a song, or at least
Speaker 2: making a hook.
Speaker 5: Now give you a hook that I probably would say,
Speaker 5: because we're two different types of artist. So I try
Speaker 5: to tap into your wavelane. But at the same time,
Speaker 5: it's still from that same approach, like if I was
Speaker 5: writing my own record.
Speaker 2: You gotta drink, Okay, yeah, I think they drink. Are
Speaker 2: you you to drink three times dope or Red Had
Speaker 2: king Finn? Oh shit, that's a good one man shit
Speaker 2: shit ship. What are you wonting for. You're gonna have
Speaker 2: to take a drink.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna tell y'all some stories about Red Had
Speaker 5: Kingpin and three times dope, So three times dope, I'll
Speaker 5: go to redhad king Pin. First, well, my parents got divorced,
Speaker 5: my father remarried, and we moved out of East Elmhurst
Speaker 5: to Inglewood, New Jersey, Jersey. Shout out to Inglewood, New
Speaker 5: Jersey and Dwight Marrow High School. I'll telling you I
Speaker 5: went to a million high schools. So I'm at the
Speaker 5: whitemorrow and all my friends is like, you gotta meet
Speaker 5: all boy Dave.
Speaker 2: You're gonna love Dave like Dave. Like, yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 2: love Dave. So we go to Dave's house and Dave
Speaker 2: got kicked out of school. He was a bad kid.
Speaker 2: Dave's Redhead.
Speaker 5: So you know, he's the first dude that I hung
Speaker 5: out with in Jersey when I moved, you know, and
Speaker 5: I was kind of pissed, like, yo, I took me
Speaker 5: out of my element. I'm trying to make an album.
Speaker 5: You know, all my people in Queens and here I
Speaker 5: am in Inglewood, New Jersey. I don't know nobody, but
Speaker 5: I mean Redhead and me and Red Click Red. And
Speaker 5: when I tell you, man, like we were the crew man,
Speaker 5: like we.
Speaker 2: Would just we.
Speaker 5: Would be doing wolh like we were really wilding out
Speaker 5: in Jersey making music and the even funnier thing is
Speaker 5: my boy heard my demo demo to the song. Well
Speaker 5: this might be part of your next question, but so
Speaker 5: stop me if I if I'm going on and he
Speaker 5: and he was like, yo, you gotta let my mom
Speaker 5: hear your record, okay. And I was like, why I'm
Speaker 5: gonna let your mom here my record? He said, I
Speaker 5: let my mom here Dave's record too. I'm like, all right, whatever.
Speaker 5: So I go to his house. I pull up at
Speaker 5: his house. It's a straight up mansion. I didn't even notice.
Speaker 5: I see the magnum p I Ferrari in the front
Speaker 5: on on bricks, no tie, no, no. I see a
Speaker 5: Rose Royce. This is in the neighbor in another pocket
Speaker 5: of the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, what is this?
Speaker 5: So I open the door. I go to the door,
Speaker 5: and the butler come out. Butler come on in, see exactly.
Speaker 5: And then there was winding stairs and the mom comes
Speaker 5: down downstairs in her.
Speaker 2: Like robe and ship, and I'm like, yo, body time.
Speaker 2: Now like some of you know, extravagant shit is nobody.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's Sylvia Robinson from sugar Hill Records. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for this lady, we wouldn't have no
Speaker 2: rap records out her and her brother. Wow. So she
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I remember with your friend Dave red Head,
Speaker 2: and you know he got a good record and I
Speaker 2: heard heard your record the Rhythm and I love that.
Speaker 2: And I'm starting a new label and I want you
Speaker 2: all to be on the label. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: where I get to be on the label with my
Speaker 2: best friend. He said, yeah, I got this other group,
Speaker 2: New Tribe. I was like, word, new Tribe, y'all look
Speaker 2: it up. Kid named Trench, Vinnie and KG. Of course
Speaker 2: that was original. Yeah, so it's gonna be. I forgot
Speaker 2: Naughty Me and Redhead on this new label called Bone
Speaker 2: of Me Records. And I'm like, wait, that don't even
Speaker 2: sound hip hop exactly exactly Bone on Me.
Speaker 5: That's well the contract. So at that same time, I
Speaker 5: know I'm going off on a tangent. But you told
Speaker 5: me to tell the story, telling me story.
Speaker 2: And he got to smoke at me. So I'm telling
Speaker 2: a whole lot of stuff. Let's go. So at that
Speaker 2: same time, I.
Speaker 5: Handed my demo to Herbie love Bug, and I my
Speaker 5: father was like, you should let one of his friends
Speaker 5: hear the demo. His wife work at Sony, So literally,
Speaker 5: Miss Robinson gives me a contract. It is literally two
Speaker 5: pages long. It's like some words in the front and
Speaker 5: in the back is the signing page. Then a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks later, Herbie says, Jo Atlantic wants to sign
Speaker 5: you up, sending you the contract that's three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty pages long. Then my pop's friend calls me. Directors
Speaker 5: like interested in your album. We want to send you
Speaker 5: a contract. I didn't tell my pops. I didn't tell
Speaker 5: my pops about none of this. So I'm walking home
Speaker 5: from school every day with three contracts in my book
Speaker 5: back and I'm sitting baking on it.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to do.
Speaker 5: But I knew what not to do was the Sylvia
Speaker 5: Robinson contract, because I was like, two pages, anything could
Speaker 5: be changing. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm like, this
Speaker 5: don't even look right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know it might be though it wasn't
Speaker 2: the only company that was really think about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I didn't like the name Bone of Me.
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was going to take off. I
Speaker 5: wanted ye, but had no tires.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 2: So so I didn't I didn't know what to think.
Speaker 2: I didn't know if that was going to go overwhelm.
Speaker 2: So then I looked at the legacy of Atlantic Records.
Speaker 5: You know, some of my favorite artists were on Atlantic,
Speaker 5: So I was like, yo, I think I want to
Speaker 5: go there, and I know MC light was there, but
Speaker 5: I would have been the first rapper signed directly to
Speaker 5: Atlantic Records.
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, let's do it. And so
Speaker 2: so you saying this for yourself. Your parents are not
Speaker 2: involved in this. My parents who did they end up?
Speaker 2: But they have no they don't know.
Speaker 5: Divorce lawyer looked at my record contract, so that's what
Speaker 5: shows you what was going on. It was like it
Speaker 5: was still the divorce was you know, it was like
Speaker 5: my parents had gotten divorced. My pops just got remarried.
Speaker 5: But he was like, I know, a loyalist. She was
Speaker 5: just a divorce lawyer. Yeah, he just did the divorce
Speaker 5: and you know, and the divorce wasn't no ugly thing.
Speaker 2: So it was like, let's do that. And my moms
Speaker 2: was with it.
Speaker 5: So they technically had to sign the contract because I
Speaker 5: was young. I was, you know, sixteen, so so they
Speaker 5: had to sign the contract. But my choice was to
Speaker 5: go with Atlantic a because it was through Herbie. Herbie
Speaker 5: was you know, that was back in Queens. That was
Speaker 5: my home crew. Then I didn't know what was gonna
Speaker 5: go happened with the Boname stuff. Dave ended up read
Speaker 5: it ended up with Teddy Riley, so that he wasn't
Speaker 5: even gonna be I wasn't even gonna be on the
Speaker 5: label with my boy, and so it was just it
Speaker 5: is what it is. And I don't know if I
Speaker 5: don't know if Bonamy ever put out New Tribe. I
Speaker 5: know New Trip had an album, but I don't know
Speaker 5: if it was on that label. I gotta ask KG
Speaker 5: if that was on that label. But you know what
Speaker 5: they ended up turning into, so clearly Bonam didn't turn
Speaker 5: it into anything. Also bone me, Yeah, so but then
Speaker 5: you got three Times Done. Yeah, you know they could
Speaker 5: have put TI just I don't know what they was doing.
Speaker 5: They probably was in the middle of changing because they
Speaker 5: you know, they would think about sugar Hill Records sold
Speaker 5: a lot of records, so they had they their paper
Speaker 5: was right, and they had everybody's publishing. So but with
Speaker 5: three Times Dope, so three Times Dope, I'm already out,
Speaker 5: I'm already established, and they're like the first artists that
Speaker 5: I get real cool with that's not from my area area.
Speaker 5: If not, they're from Philly. So I would stay at
Speaker 5: the rapper Est. I would stay with him and his mom. Yeah,
Speaker 5: man I would stay at Yes, his house. Yes, would
Speaker 5: stay at my house. His mom would call me son.
Speaker 5: My mom would call him son. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it's a different thing between me and them because
Speaker 5: Red is a part of my foundation and and and
Speaker 5: me my trying to make it where yes, Woodie and
Speaker 5: and and Chuck they are a part of like just
Speaker 5: artists with deals, just having fun together.
Speaker 2: So y'all gotta drink. You gotta know. So Lloyd Banks March.
Speaker 5: Pharaoh Munch because he's as a rapper or what were
Speaker 5: we talking about? So I give it to Pharaoh Manch
Speaker 5: because Para Manch is probably one of the illest rappers ever.
Speaker 5: And I think Banks is one of the illest rappers ever.
Speaker 5: But because me and Manch went to school together, Me
Speaker 5: and Mancha.
Speaker 2: Was Alba Boxer. Oh yeah, he was dope.
Speaker 5: He's He's also into the same things I'm into, like
Speaker 5: collecting noise and all that stuff. So we go to
Speaker 5: comic Con together, we're always on panels together, so it's
Speaker 5: always that that that connection. Yeah, I have never to
Speaker 5: this day, though we've sold over a million records, I've
Speaker 5: never met Banks.
Speaker 2: Really, I've never been in the rule with him. I've
Speaker 2: never seen him.
Speaker 5: I've never had any conversations with him, So I don't
Speaker 5: know if he picked the beat. I believe shot Money,
Speaker 5: Excel and Fifth pick the beat.
Speaker 2: I could see that.
Speaker 5: And when they recorded the record, they were on the tour,
Speaker 5: so I had to turn everything in. I had to
Speaker 5: go to a studio, lay the beat down, put it,
Speaker 5: you know, in tracks, and then send it to London Wow,
Speaker 5: where Banks did his vocals. So I was never I
Speaker 5: wasn't able to get I had something I wasn't able
Speaker 5: to get to London. It was like a session that
Speaker 5: was going on. They told me go to the studio
Speaker 5: on Tuesday, and we're recording on a Wednesday. I was like,
Speaker 5: there's no way I was able to get. So I
Speaker 5: couldn't really be the producer that I'm normally that I
Speaker 5: normally am. And it's got to be how long ago.
Speaker 5: This is two thousand and four, so twenty one years ago.
Speaker 2: The classic record I've never met. I've never met Banks.
Speaker 2: I would love to, you know, love to meet him.
Speaker 2: You got twenty one questions why you ain't meet Lloyd Banks? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the drum line or coach Carter? He worked on both, right,
Speaker 2: I never saw coach Carter drum line. I know you'd
Speaker 2: be a foulon. I tell you that. What is Coach
Speaker 2: Carter about Samuel being about Coach Carter?
Speaker 1: Is he like is he in the city coming into
Speaker 1: Colds with a young minority group of kids, losing season,
Speaker 1: losing team, and he overcomes them as young grown.
Speaker 2: Men and educated in students and athletes. There you go watch,
Speaker 2: I gotta watch that. I've never I felt like it's
Speaker 2: like lean on me. But with sports, that's exactly what
Speaker 2: it is. That's agreed anology. Colombo, colosseum all day. I
Speaker 2: get you get ballets, you go there for a hundred
Speaker 2: dollars ballots you're talking about to t twenty eighty dollars.
Speaker 2: You get shirtcash shirtcanes, you can get your chain, You
Speaker 2: get a picture.
Speaker 5: You take a girl, you and your girlfriend dressed the same.
Speaker 5: Y'all go to college and take the picture together looking crazy.
Speaker 2: New Jack City or juice juice, aren't you the soundtrack
Speaker 2: of one of these. No, no, I could have swore
Speaker 2: you on New Jack City soundtrack if I am.
Speaker 5: I don't know it, but Juice, because Juice reminded me
Speaker 5: of people. I actually knew an area in Harlem that
Speaker 5: I would actually hang out in.
Speaker 2: So I feel like it was a connection where Nino Brown.
Speaker 5: We all knew who our neighborhood Nino Browns were, but
Speaker 5: they weren't like Nino Brown.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It wasn't it was. It
Speaker 2: was like a fantasize. Yeah, it wasn't like but it
Speaker 2: wasn't too far off. Yeah yeah, but right up, No,
Speaker 2: it was. I'm sure it was a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was very It was very like you
Speaker 5: ever used to watch the eighties or nineties movie about
Speaker 5: rapping but didn't have no real rappers, Like you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. It was.
Speaker 5: We could understand it, but it wasn't exactly you know,
Speaker 5: I'm from everywhere. You got cast like Preame and Fat
Speaker 5: Cat and you know Paul, all these cats is you
Speaker 5: know in Harlem.
Speaker 2: Like we're seeing this in real life. We're seeing that
Speaker 2: crack era ain't nothing to play with.
Speaker 5: And when we're kids we're seeing it in real time,
Speaker 5: and we're seeing something like you come up to Harlem,
Speaker 5: you go to South Side, you going to basically you
Speaker 5: go different spots. You see some things and you hear
Speaker 5: about some things that no movie has ever depicted. So
Speaker 5: you watched you know Brown, It's like, all right, this
Speaker 5: is watered down. This is water down life that we
Speaker 5: singing for real?
Speaker 2: For real?
Speaker 5: Where's something about juice? It's like you always everybody got
Speaker 5: that crew. They got that one kid and the crew.
Speaker 5: That's like Bishop Tupac. You know, there's that one you know,
Speaker 5: the one kid and the crew. Like, oh, I wanted
Speaker 5: to try to try to get out of it. It
Speaker 5: was a DJ trying to do his thing. And they
Speaker 5: reminded me of my friends. They reminded my Brooklyn friends,
Speaker 5: reminded me of my Queen's friends. They reminded me of
Speaker 5: my Harlem friends. And it was like I can relate
Speaker 5: to this where just like I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like, for example, I can ask a
Speaker 2: Cali dude was Minister Society, real was boys in the hood.
Speaker 5: Real, I can't relate to me. It's all a Hollywood thing,
Speaker 5: but for somebody that was really in that game.
Speaker 1: I always wondered, like, look at this about American me
Speaker 1: and blood, like we didn't know which is what.
Speaker 2: So yeah, diferent reasons though why we still didn't know
Speaker 2: which is what? Track Masters or hit Man, my mom.
Speaker 2: I want to say, I wanted to y to take
Speaker 2: a drink, but I think I drink anyway.
Speaker 5: Y'all can take a drink. But this is why, guys,
Speaker 5: let us go track masters for the most part. First,
Speaker 5: let's go with my man Red Hot Love.
Speaker 2: Of Tone Tone track Master Tone for those who.
Speaker 5: Are Yeah, he was a blueprint for what I was
Speaker 5: trying to do at the time. Him and Prince Marqui
Speaker 5: d from the Fat Boys were artists that became major producers.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: So when I'm in my between period trying to figure
Speaker 5: it out, Yeah, and he wasn't he was down here was.
Speaker 2: Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know super that that's my guy. Man. Man, So.
Speaker 5: Looking at Mark, looking at Tone gave me the battery
Speaker 5: to say I can do that as well as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, if I just got to break through
Speaker 2: the barrier and I can get these records soul and
Speaker 2: I can do that too. And Tom tried to sit
Speaker 2: me down, like yo, man, get off. Stop rhyming on
Speaker 2: those beasts. Take it from me. Sell that ship the
Speaker 2: second time. Somebody else tell you that. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: Ron Anton, they both tell me at the same time,
Speaker 2: sell that.
Speaker 5: So here you got Tone telling me that's track masters, Pope,
Speaker 5: Me and Pok' I'm loving how Pop makes his beat.
Speaker 2: Poker is a focused dude. He's all about his beat,
Speaker 2: super focused.
Speaker 5: Then you got the hit man. Ron is one of
Speaker 5: the hit men. He's telling me the same. Yeah, he's
Speaker 5: from my block and I'm listening to him. I know
Speaker 5: D Dot, but at the same time, they both were rappers.
Speaker 5: Two Kings in the Cipher, Yeah they were. Yeah, he's
Speaker 5: the mad rapper. But D Dot and Ron were in
Speaker 5: a group called Two Kings in the Cipher and it
Speaker 5: didn't work out the way they wanted it to work out,
Speaker 5: so they switched gears.
Speaker 2: And I remember I would go up to Howard University.
Speaker 5: I would see d I would see Ron, and they
Speaker 5: would have the MPs in the NPCs, in the in the.
Speaker 2: In the dorm room. They were getting there. They were
Speaker 2: they were so so you know, that's how far back
Speaker 2: I go with them guys, all of them so so.
Speaker 5: They Ron especially and Tone especially heavily influenced and Ron
Speaker 5: being a part of my resurgence into the music industry,
Speaker 5: and Tone willing to be a part of my resurgence.
Speaker 2: I can't put one over the other. I gotta, you know,
Speaker 2: I gotta give it to them. And I love I
Speaker 2: just loved all their records. There's no records that they
Speaker 2: made that I didn't know. I didn't wrong. I respect that.
Speaker 2: So we're going to do one last multal Greig time slime.
Speaker 2: Do you jump back back into that? Okay? Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: I was about to.
Speaker 1: Give you a warning, but I'm not gonna give you
Speaker 1: a warning because he says, I lead the witness.
Speaker 2: Loyalty or respect.
Speaker 5: Respect, Okay, because with respect brings loyalty, and the people
Speaker 5: that are loyalty you will always be disloyal.
Speaker 2: To you at some point when they don't get the
Speaker 2: same respect that you get.
Speaker 5: Understand that, say that the people that are loyal to
Speaker 5: you don't get the same respect that you get, or
Speaker 5: feel that you're getting more respect to them than them,
Speaker 5: their loyalty will leave you. So you always got to
Speaker 5: have respect because with respect, people understand. And it's not
Speaker 5: wrong with this because There's another part to it. People
Speaker 5: understand when you have respect that they should deal with you.
Speaker 2: They don't have to like you, they.
Speaker 5: Don't have to love you, they don't have to be
Speaker 5: loyal to you, but they know it means something to
Speaker 5: them and they'll do something for them if they deal
Speaker 5: with you because they respect you. You understand when they
Speaker 5: just loyal to you, anything will happen. I didn't want
Speaker 5: to tell you your girls cheating on you because I'm
Speaker 5: loyal to you and I like you. I don't want
Speaker 5: you to kick me out.
Speaker 2: You know something like that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't get all that kind of awareness. But the
Speaker 5: respect thing is something different.
Speaker 2: Now, what I do believe is.
Speaker 5: With your respect, I'm about to sound like little Kim,
Speaker 5: what respect comes power. With your respect, you bring about
Speaker 5: a certain level of power, and you can bring a
Speaker 5: long the people who are loyal to you and give
Speaker 5: them ways to come up right status.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't do that unless you have the respect.
Speaker 5: A bunch of loyal people can be a bunch of
Speaker 5: loyal people in an aparkment in seven A and Baisley
Speaker 5: wishing the day came out because they all loyal to
Speaker 5: each other and they're just sitting around.
Speaker 3: So so.
Speaker 5: You got to have respect first, like you can't you
Speaker 5: can't buy furniture and you don't how the house.
Speaker 1: So now let's talk the rhythm because we were in
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to know how you put this record
Speaker 1: together for Abosore Okay, okay.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 2: How does this come about? So the rhythm shouts to
Speaker 2: my boy Tommel. So, so we were living in this
Speaker 2: building complex.
Speaker 5: Anybody in Corona, Queens knows this building called Dory Miller
Speaker 5: and we lived in Dory Miller fun Factor. Across the
Speaker 5: street was a building called Metal Manor and most of
Speaker 5: most of main source lived in Metal man So, so.
Speaker 2: Uh, tom El's father.
Speaker 5: And if I want to figure out what Tom ELL's
Speaker 5: father looks like, does anybody know that show Family Guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, the cartoon, Yeah, ok Who's the black guy
Speaker 2: on the Family Guy? Cleveland Brown. Tom El's father looked
Speaker 2: exactly like Cleveland Brown. He looks like him, and he sounds,
Speaker 2: you know, exactly.
Speaker 5: Think somebody took Tom Hill's father and made Cleveland Brown.
Speaker 5: So when I tell the story, y'all can put Cleveland
Speaker 5: Brown in your head. So, so, his dad used to
Speaker 5: have all these records, all these jazz records, all these
Speaker 5: different kind of records, and we'd be in there and
Speaker 5: and I'm looking at his records, and he would come
Speaker 5: and he every time I would go there, he would
Speaker 5: be going to work. Okay, Tom, okay, crime, don't be
Speaker 5: touching my records.
Speaker 2: Held leave and so soon as he close the door, like,
Speaker 2: don't see that record. And I played so one record
Speaker 2: I played. I put it on. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: what is this. I said, hold up, my dad just bought.
Speaker 2: I said, I need that record. He's like, yo, my
Speaker 2: dad is gonna kill I said, I need that record. Man.
Speaker 5: He said, well, I said, yo, Papa just went to work.
Speaker 5: He don't he don't know what's going to be going.
Speaker 5: He said, just wait, just wait. So flash forward. I
Speaker 5: knew how I wanted to use that record, and I
Speaker 5: did the whole beat in my head. I use a
Speaker 5: piece of James Brown funky drummer, I use a piece
Speaker 5: of the staple singers, no, no, no, no no. I
Speaker 5: knew I wanted to use that sample. I didn't remember
Speaker 5: the name of the record. I knew it was a
Speaker 5: Bob James record with a ladybug on the cover. That's
Speaker 5: all I said, the Ladybug record. That's what I called it.
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna get that record. So and I didn't
Speaker 5: remember an artist name either. I just knew the Lady Bug.
Speaker 5: So I thought about the best of the beat. I
Speaker 5: wrote the rhymes, and then I called to him. I
Speaker 5: was like, Yo, when's your dad going to work? Because
Speaker 5: I had studio time.
Speaker 2: So but you do didn't have the record? No, I said,
Speaker 2: what time your dad going to work? He's like six,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be there six fifteen. I went to his house,
Speaker 2: I said, give me my record. I jacked the record,
Speaker 2: went to the studio because he worked over nights.
Speaker 5: I went to the studio, sampled it and gave it,
Speaker 5: gave him back the record before before the record before
Speaker 5: his pops came home, before his pops even knew it.
Speaker 2: That's how I got That's how I sampled that record
Speaker 2: and made the rhythm. Jius.
Speaker 5: I think I gave the record back. I think I
Speaker 5: gave the record. I can't so if I didn't give
Speaker 5: a record record, mister Waynam, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I was hearing you or I was hearing you on
Speaker 2: a show right, and I believe it.
Speaker 1: It was something like Uh, I wish I would have
Speaker 1: said things that I wish I would have said, or
Speaker 1: something like that, right, all things that like, Right, is
Speaker 1: there something that is there something that you wish you
Speaker 1: would have did?
Speaker 2: Is this something that you regret?
Speaker 5: Perhaps, well, back to back to what we were saying earlier,
Speaker 5: I wish I had a line of pokono.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, merch merch, And I wish
Speaker 2: I would have see.
Speaker 5: I can't say I wish because I think I can
Speaker 5: say I wish I had somebody to teach me what
Speaker 5: I know now. But at the same time, I don't
Speaker 5: have any any regrets because everything that happened to me,
Speaker 5: good and bad, allowed me to be at this podcast today.
Speaker 5: Everything led up to this. And I'm not I'm not
Speaker 5: glazing or nothing. I'm telling y'all the truth. Everything led
Speaker 5: up to this because this was a podcast that I've
Speaker 5: always wanted to be on.
Speaker 2: This is your show. Continue, I'm sorry, And and.
Speaker 5: I had a list of goals, and this podcast was
Speaker 5: on the list of goals. It wasn't and it wasn't
Speaker 5: like and it's on my studio wall. I'll DM you
Speaker 5: a picture. And and I know that we connected on
Speaker 5: the toy toy level.
Speaker 2: Thing and everything. We gotta speak about the toys. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't no thing where it was like to be
Speaker 2: on your show. Can I be able to show anything
Speaker 2: like that? I wanted? I wanted to earn a slot. No,
Speaker 2: we requested you. You didn't have to earn a slight
Speaker 2: already long ter.
Speaker 1: Organically, Yeah, we're gonna make it, you know, like when
Speaker 1: we book guests, right this, this, this has been my
Speaker 1: most funnest time. Right, Like, sometimes I go to the airport,
Speaker 1: right and a person will come up to me. One
Speaker 1: person will know who I am, and another person won't, right,
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, well, the other person will be like,
Speaker 1: well who is you?
Speaker 2: And I'd be like, I can't describe who exactly, Like
Speaker 2: if you don't know who I am, then your friend
Speaker 2: should tell you.
Speaker 1: So when I was doing that, and when I was
Speaker 1: saying like, you know, up to the weeks of having
Speaker 1: you booked, and when I kept saying that whenever a
Speaker 1: person didn't know, I felt so enjoyed. Weighed it down,
Speaker 1: like I was like, yo, this is you had the
Speaker 1: whole eraror like, and I was sitting there and I
Speaker 1: was like, I felt so good yea explaining to a
Speaker 1: person who didn't know I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, so uh so you said you had
Speaker 2: no regrets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is no regrets man, because it's like
Speaker 5: I believe in I believe in that universal law, like
Speaker 5: everything happens all at once. So it's like you gotta
Speaker 5: every mistake, every mistake you make leads to a future success, right, period, period.
Speaker 5: You can go outside tomorrow, break your leg right. I'm
Speaker 5: not wishing this on you. You're trying to run a marathon. Now,
Speaker 5: you can't run the manthon you do it, but you
Speaker 5: found out something crazy happened after Marilon marathon that.
Speaker 2: Helped you and you couldn't make it in so but
Speaker 2: you was able to do something bigger. Yeah, but you're.
Speaker 5: Gonna run the marathon and you're gonna do all the way.
Speaker 5: So so that's what I believe. I just believe that
Speaker 5: everything leads to a point, you know, and and so
Speaker 5: I can never I don't look backwards.
Speaker 2: The only thing, the only thing I look back on.
Speaker 2: I will say this. I say this regret.
Speaker 5: I allowed management and record labels to tell me what
Speaker 5: hip hop was supposed to do and where hip hop
Speaker 5: was going, and I didn't pay attention to it.
Speaker 2: So for example, yourself, Yeah, I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 5: Listening to myself. So I'll give you a perfect example.
Speaker 5: Low end theory comes out question and fellow queens, We're
Speaker 5: in the studio making an album and it's you know,
Speaker 5: happy dancing type of hip hop, and then somebody brings
Speaker 5: the low end theory and they play it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this shit is the truth.
Speaker 5: And then listening to somebody for management, that shit is
Speaker 5: never gonna work. Oh, they're never gonna get on the
Speaker 5: radio with that. Wow, they're never gonna go on tour
Speaker 5: with that. They're never gonna get a Grammy with that.
Speaker 5: And in my mind, I'm like, I am going in
Speaker 5: the wrong direction. I saw it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I'm literally cutting my own career short for not
Speaker 5: paying attention to where hip hop is going. I know
Speaker 5: where it's going. I'm only nineteen at the time, Like,
Speaker 5: I'm not in the clouds. I don't see nothing, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm still on the train.
Speaker 2: I'm in it.
Speaker 5: I see that people are stopping to wear suits, stopping
Speaker 5: the suits and putting on the jabos and the brief
Speaker 5: and Broccolis and the Snowbeach or whatever I see it.
Speaker 5: I know what's happening. I know low heads, and I
Speaker 5: know what's going on. And it could have been an
Speaker 5: easy transition for me because I could have implemented my
Speaker 5: thing in with it, because I'm of the age. I'm
Speaker 5: not an older guy trying to look young. But I'm
Speaker 5: not paying attention.
Speaker 2: I'm not listening to myself, and I'm listening to people
Speaker 2: like you gotta put this singing hook, and you gotta
Speaker 2: people dance, and the an R and all this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. You gotta make it happy.
Speaker 5: And then the same an R and this, which is
Speaker 5: funny when that that album, I'm not gonna say it
Speaker 5: didn't do well. It's my third album called Nasty. They
Speaker 5: did all right for the time, but it wasn't no
Speaker 5: low end Theory, you know what I'm saying. It was yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: And then on top of that, so low in Theory
Speaker 5: comes out, then Nordy comes out, then Ill Manic comes out.
Speaker 2: And then the an R sit me down and they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're just I think you should toughen it up a
Speaker 2: little bit, like you he said, you know what, you know,
Speaker 2: put some braids in that flat type people, you know,
Speaker 2: like they was literally they literally was telling me this,
Speaker 2: You're like, you know it was the tough of music. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like start you know, maybe like there's some Tims in
Speaker 2: a baseball batch, ain't your cousin? Yeah, yes, exactly. And
Speaker 2: and at that time he was trying to rap. So
Speaker 2: we was working, we was working on some stuff. But
Speaker 2: but it was weird how the flip flop of these
Speaker 2: record labels was and you know, very interesting.
Speaker 5: So that was probably my regret not listening to myself
Speaker 5: and not going with my gut. Even though I'm never
Speaker 5: going to regret a record that I made, I'm going
Speaker 5: to regret that I didn't pivot when I had a
Speaker 5: clear lane.
Speaker 2: To pivot, you know.
Speaker 1: So, so like I heard ghost Face say recently, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's recently, but.
Speaker 2: He said that, you know, rapture half categories.
Speaker 1: It should it should just be just hip hop, like
Speaker 1: it should be contemporary hip hop maybe maybe all you know,
Speaker 1: classic hip hop, maybe you know what I mean, new
Speaker 1: school hip hop.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you.
Speaker 1: Created a genre of hip hop? Because like when you
Speaker 1: look at look at your music and you look at
Speaker 1: of your career like it was non threatening. Right now,
Speaker 1: you got people like par Real who made a whole
Speaker 1: career off.
Speaker 2: Of like kind of like being non threatening.
Speaker 1: And then there's others other people like you know, I
Speaker 1: would like to say Lupe Fiasco kind of like made
Speaker 1: his career like being non threatn and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. There's like a whole new version of Native Tongue.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it started with you.
Speaker 2: I think I think between me and Native Tongue.
Speaker 5: So say, for example, my album came out two months
Speaker 5: before Three Feet High and Rise, so eighty nine.
Speaker 2: You have these two two groups, Three Higher Wise and
Speaker 2: that's yes, and that really kind of like you know,
Speaker 2: the Jungle Brothers really ushered it in first, but day
Speaker 2: really yeah, beld it yeah, And you know.
Speaker 5: This is a platinum album, this album that's killing it.
Speaker 5: And I think with Dayli, they spoke to a certain audience,
Speaker 5: you know, like the afro centric you know, just like
Speaker 5: the audience, the rap audience that wasn't trying to be
Speaker 5: status quo. But they weren't trying to be gangsters. They
Speaker 5: were on their intellectual stuff. They were on their straight
Speaker 5: hip hop stuff at the same time, no gimmicks it
Speaker 5: was just raw, like just them being them.
Speaker 2: And I think I what I represented is more like
Speaker 2: the nerds and the geeks and all the dudes that
Speaker 2: were overdressed in school and you know, like.
Speaker 5: Like I was the younger generation because you always had
Speaker 5: your cane and like an l like the jocks, and
Speaker 5: so you know, I represented that. I represented, you know,
Speaker 5: the kids that may have of love hip hop but
Speaker 5: didn't fit in with that whole gangster say at all.
Speaker 5: And I think that DNA spilled into a Kanye for sure,
Speaker 5: Like you'll see footage of twelve year old Kanye dressed
Speaker 5: like me, you know what I'm saying, and or Pharrell
Speaker 5: or you know, Pharrell will credit tried.
Speaker 2: But I just think that still there's a lot of
Speaker 2: things that I've done. I see.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of even I know this for a fact,
Speaker 5: a lot of of ways that puff with maneuver, like
Speaker 5: as far as clothing and and and showman ship and
Speaker 5: stuff like that. I know for a fact he got
Speaker 5: from what I was doing. And then those those artists,
Speaker 5: that's another generation. They begat another generation under. So you
Speaker 5: have rappers out here now they don't understand that they
Speaker 5: still carry my DNA they may take its from something else.
Speaker 2: But you know that was so I think.
Speaker 1: Somebody, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like you like, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, trust me. There's been a time there
Speaker 2: was these kids in New York called the Retro Kids.
Speaker 5: This is like mid two thousands, and they were dressed
Speaker 5: like old school and they would have on pokad ice.
Speaker 5: They were the flat tops, the whole nine. This is
Speaker 5: like two thousand and five, two thousand six, Yeah, but
Speaker 5: that era. Yeah, And I would walk down the street
Speaker 5: and I would see him.
Speaker 2: Like, Yo, that's some dope stuff. It's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: we got this at the business. So it's like where
Speaker 2: y'all what y'all got it from. It's like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: ninety that's the ninety style. I'm like where that's dope.
Speaker 2: And I was just walking by him.
Speaker 5: It was like these fools don't not you know, nothing
Speaker 5: nothing against it. But then some of them did know.
Speaker 5: You know, there was times that one of them like
Speaker 5: wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, you know,
Speaker 5: so shouts out to those those cats. But there was
Speaker 5: a subculture in New York, not necessarily like the Retro
Speaker 5: Kids that was the name of the crew, but there
Speaker 5: was a subculture of retro kids that just didn't know
Speaker 5: and they would dress like that and have no idea
Speaker 5: where they got it from or anything.
Speaker 2: So I think it's dope. All right. Well ship man, Uh, well,
Speaker 2: the toys we gotta talk about, you know, we gotta
Speaker 2: talk about the toys and the album. So let's go.
Speaker 2: I want to you know, I'm a heavy toy collector
Speaker 2: and everything, yes, and so I wanted to give y'all
Speaker 2: with who's the only black guy and toys? David David
Speaker 2: give a shout out to David Varner because the toy
Speaker 2: industry is you autographed mons to you're talking about together,
Speaker 2: So so you got you got. Those are both for
Speaker 2: the audition, but so big shots to Dave.
Speaker 6: Dave.
Speaker 2: Dave is a pioneer in the toy industry. He's a
Speaker 2: good friend of mine in my age range, and he's
Speaker 2: a pioneer.
Speaker 5: He started out at Marvel Comics when we went to
Speaker 5: this toy company called Toy Business. He's the reason why
Speaker 5: we have the toy collection called Marvel Legends, and so
Speaker 5: this is some toy nerd stuff going on. And he
Speaker 5: moved through ranks and he moved to different toy companies
Speaker 5: and now he has his own toy factory. He has
Speaker 5: his own toy company as well. So he's a real
Speaker 5: pioneer and it's something that I always wanted to get into.
Speaker 5: So so I co founded a company called LBO. Let's
Speaker 5: be honest, and you know, our mission is to create toys,
Speaker 5: some of them which are very hip hop based. Like
Speaker 5: we have this toy line about to come out, and
Speaker 5: it's very hip hop based, but it puts people that
Speaker 5: look like us, all of us on shelves just as
Speaker 5: much as we see Captain America and Batman and Superman.
Speaker 5: So you know, that's really our mission and and and
Speaker 5: so like I'm real heavy into that space and it
Speaker 5: helps me get up, get away from the stress of music.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, because once you know, when you're doing music,
Speaker 5: you know, everything is a political game.
Speaker 2: You gotta start maneuvering in ways. It's not as pure
Speaker 2: as it used to be.
Speaker 5: But you go to a comic con or another kind
Speaker 5: of toy convention or whatever, ain't nobody thinking about none
Speaker 5: but buying the exclusive stuff and seeing what's coming out,
Speaker 5: And it takes me back to that that pure period
Speaker 5: of time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Okay, so now you said the new album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's your first album in twenty six years.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 5: So this is the album I got like a bag
Speaker 5: of tricks over the Holy Morning. So this is the
Speaker 5: album called The Different Kids.
Speaker 2: Oh, the album is amazing man, now, thank you.
Speaker 5: And this album, like if you zoom in on it,
Speaker 5: it represents a lot of different things. You got nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty nine to me right there.
Speaker 2: I won't say different bases of you. Yeah, yeah, you got.
Speaker 5: I don't know me just trying to be fly online
Speaker 5: or whatever right then, you know me shilling up, but
Speaker 5: the producer me and then the current artist version of me.
Speaker 5: But the whip that I'm sitting on is the Star
Speaker 5: Wars Landsfeeder. People don't understand, like I got to bring
Speaker 5: that geek culture in here too. So shout out to
Speaker 5: amazing artists and DC named me a Duval. Yeah it
Speaker 5: is so Mia Duval did this artwork for the Different Kids.
Speaker 2: It's out now.
Speaker 5: It just came out in August, so you know, and
Speaker 5: I think I love this album. I think a lot
Speaker 5: of people tell me it's my best work. And I
Speaker 5: don't think that it's not a glazy either. I think
Speaker 5: for the first time since I was sixteen, I made
Speaker 5: an album without any expectation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made it in a small room in my house.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a.
Speaker 5: Glorious studio or anything, just a small room in my crib.
Speaker 5: And I put the album together and it's on my
Speaker 5: own label, distributed through Virgin Records and label called SRG.
Speaker 3: And you know.
Speaker 5: I have You know, I had no expectations about it,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Put out some records and
Speaker 5: see what happens. Because I like producing, I like producing myself,
Speaker 5: I like rapping.
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens.
Speaker 5: And I put out two singles at the same time,
Speaker 5: one called Miss Mary Mack and another single called Hello Anybody.
Speaker 2: And you know, like I'm getting all TV.
Speaker 5: Shows, I'm getting all you know, the news, I'm doing
Speaker 5: podcast I'm doing stuff that.
Speaker 2: I would have never been doing normally. I'm on a
Speaker 2: promo run, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And at the same time, I'm coming from a perspective
Speaker 5: of where I am now as a person, as as
Speaker 5: a man in his fifties with a family. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm rhyming from that perspective. I'm giving stories about Yeah,
Speaker 5: like I'm growing. I'm not trying to be sixteen year
Speaker 5: old me. Yea, yeah, like I'm putting my And that
Speaker 5: was the thing about the beats. It was like, nobody
Speaker 5: has to tell me I need to be on the radio.
Speaker 5: Nobody needs to nobody's telling me I got to be
Speaker 5: in the club. I gotta make this trap beat to
Speaker 5: fit in. I'm just making beats and as raw as
Speaker 5: the beats are, that and if you know how it
Speaker 5: is you here, don't bet you wanted to start rhyming.
Speaker 5: If I'm making a beat and make me want to
Speaker 5: start rhyming, that's going to be on the album. And
Speaker 5: I'm gonna and I'm gonna rhyme about something. Every record
Speaker 5: is about something, and I'm not just gonna just be
Speaker 5: talking about you know, like I'm back. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: not doing none of that or you know I used
Speaker 5: to do this. I was down back in the day.
Speaker 5: Like it's none of that kind of stuff. So you know,
Speaker 5: I really love this album, you know, And I'm gonna
Speaker 5: I'm gonna promote and push the hell out of the.
Speaker 2: Album, you know, like keep going the different kids out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: It's a two part question.
Speaker 1: You got an American Music Award and you was adducted
Speaker 1: to the hip Hop Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: But I didn't get an American Music Award. You didn't
Speaker 2: get my record is switch Switch Switch got an American
Speaker 2: Music Award, so I guess I get one by default
Speaker 2: like that. But it was, you know, and if I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken.
Speaker 5: Lloyd Banks on Fire, either Lloyd Banks or Christina Aguiler,
Speaker 5: one of them or both of them got Grammy nominations,
Speaker 5: so I could I could claim that if I wanted to.
Speaker 5: But then the Hip Hop Hall of Fame, as a
Speaker 5: hip hop museum in Washington, DC, did an induction ceremony,
Speaker 5: and I thought it was dope for me because one,
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't think I was gonna be put
Speaker 5: up in a museum, Like I'm like, can you tell somebody,
Speaker 5: But the people that were inducted at the same time,
Speaker 5: it was myself, it was getting played, It was her
Speaker 5: beloved bug, it was Dana Dane, and everybody who had
Speaker 5: something to do with who I am was all there
Speaker 5: at the same time. I'm talking about down to Ron
Speaker 5: Lawrence was there and like you know, and I had
Speaker 5: to thank him. I was able to personally thank him
Speaker 5: for helping me get into position that I'm in. This guy,
Speaker 5: my boy named Dana. We call him Dana Dumb. The
Speaker 5: guy who taught me how to use an NPC was
Speaker 5: in the audience, and I got to I haven't seen
Speaker 5: him since the day he taught me to call him
Speaker 5: Dana dumb And yeah, no, Dana's super.
Speaker 2: Nasty with the beast, but he taught me how to
Speaker 2: use it, and I was like, I was able to
Speaker 2: personally thank him. You know, I have family that I
Speaker 2: was able to acknowledge.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen Herbie Lovebug in I haven't seen Herbie
Speaker 5: love Bug since the nineties, No, two thousand and one,
Speaker 5: I haven't seen him. So I was able to see Herbie.
Speaker 5: You know his younger brother, Steve, who put me with Herbie.
Speaker 5: You know, we all went to school together.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm seeing I'm literally seeing my neighborhood and
Speaker 2: being inducted into a Hall of Fame at the same time.
Speaker 2: So it was bigger. It was for me.
Speaker 5: It was way bigger than what I was getting. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 5: we'll all hear at once. Only people that ain't here
Speaker 5: with us, and they couldn't make it with salt and pepper.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, dag if that would have been the
Speaker 5: sweet tea was there answering that was this? So the
Speaker 5: first person I ever even produced was there? Yeah, So
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, this is like the mega full circle
Speaker 5: moment for me.
Speaker 2: So it was dope. Are you a super legend?
Speaker 1: Man?
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