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Speaker 1: He is drinks Chants, motherfucking podcast man.

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Speaker 2: He's a legends every queens rapper. He ain't say greed

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Speaker 2: as your boy in O r E. He's a Miami

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Speaker 2: hip hop pioneer put up as d J e f N.

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Speaker 2: Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players,

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Speaker 3: What I mean.

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Speaker 2: And the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one

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Speaker 2: source for drunk drin chans days New Year c that's

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Speaker 2: it's time for drink Champs. Drink up mother? Would it good?

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Speaker 2: Be hoping? Held? It should be this your.

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Speaker 4: Boy n A O N A A what ups d

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Speaker 4: J e f N And it's crazy Ward Yeah, drink

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Speaker 4: Champs mother.

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Speaker 1: Now, when we started this podcast, we said that we

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Speaker 1: wanted to give flowers to the legends who wanted to

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Speaker 1: give people that that that paved the way for us,

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Speaker 1: people who have cemented their name in concrete. This brother

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Speaker 1: right here has had a hit after hit he has

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Speaker 1: he has when you see leading the culture and people

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Speaker 1: changing the culture and.

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Speaker 2: People shifting the culture, this is the person.

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Speaker 4: He's a fashion icon, a hit maker, a producer from

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Speaker 4: the best burrow in the world that's right in the world.

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Speaker 2: In the.

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Speaker 1: He's he's a legend, beyond a legend. We're gonna give

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Speaker 1: him his flowers. We're gonna let him know that the

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Speaker 1: music business is a better place when he's involved.

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Speaker 2: In case you don't know what we're talking about, we

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Speaker 2: talking about the one to know. So you said the

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Speaker 2: best Burrow, the best. That's not you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching you, right, and.

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Speaker 1: Uh I'm hearing you speak speak about your youth, right yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the people that you grew around with, right because.

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Speaker 2: You from ninety six street, what street in ninety seventh,

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Speaker 2: ninety seventh between twenty third, twenty fourth and twenty fifth

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Speaker 1: Know where street are from? With ninety seventh Street, get

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Speaker 1: out here, I'm from let's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So listen this is I know you hate when

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Speaker 2: we talked, Queen, but listen listen.

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Speaker 1: Technically, if I woke up and he woke up from

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Speaker 1: ninety seven Street and we kind of yeah, straight, we

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Speaker 1: up like that, this guy's from ninety seventh Street.

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Speaker 2: But so let's describe that, right, and.

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Speaker 5: I would literally walk from my house till that frack

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Speaker 1: So let's describe that, right because I'm I'm and this

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Speaker 1: catt to do the research and everything and and know.

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Speaker 5: So who was the people that you grew up with

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Speaker 5: in Queen So if you if you take my block

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Speaker 5: ninety seventh Street, right, So this is I'm just gonna

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Speaker 5: be on some hip hop stuff for now. I go

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Speaker 5: a little bit of history in a minute. But on

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Speaker 5: ninety seventh Street, if you go further up my block, right,

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Speaker 5: you have no you got one block over, you have

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Speaker 5: the producer the hit maker Ron Amen, Rob Lawrence who

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Speaker 5: did like hit Matta. Yeah yeah, hit Man Ron is

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Speaker 5: on my block. You go about four blocks down, you

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Speaker 5: have Herbie love Bug. You have a couple of blocks over,

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Speaker 5: you have play from Kid in Play. You go a

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Speaker 5: little bit across Northern Boulevard. You got cool g rap

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Speaker 5: you got less from the beat Nuts is over there. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: go further you you know what I'm saying. So that neighborhood,

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Speaker 5: if you want to take the neighborhoods is East Elmhurst

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Speaker 5: Corona DJ Polo Kuji apping Polo.

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Speaker 2: You take East Emmer's Corona.

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Speaker 5: You have your area left fact, you have flushing and flush,

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Speaker 5: you got large pro, you got dress you know, royal flush,

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Speaker 5: Mike Geronimo. So all of us are within a if

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Speaker 1: Like let me no, no, no, now, I'm sorry. But

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Speaker 2: Right. I used to always say the buses and the trains, Yes, right.

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Speaker 1: The buses is like the south side, right, yep, yep,

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Speaker 2: Then that's that's where it starts, right, And then it's

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Speaker 1: The trains is even though Parsons Boulevard is technically Jamaica,

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Speaker 2: Where the dollar vans and the buses come. But then

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Speaker 1: I believe we are called the West side of Queens, right, Yeah, Melhurst, Astoria,

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Speaker 2: Bro Like Queen. I think Queens the south of Miami, bro.

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Speaker 2: Know how about this?

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Speaker 5: I was arguing with my friend from Philly and I

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Speaker 5: was like, you know, if Queens is bigger than all

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm telling you Brooklyn. You put Brooklyn and Queens,

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Speaker 2: That's bigger than most major cities the whole country. Wow,

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Speaker 2: like six million people in Brooklyn and Queens alone. Wow,

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Speaker 2: come on, I love my borough.

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Speaker 1: So one of the craziest things that you know, me

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Speaker 1: which is on my block, which is on your block?

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Speaker 2: Your family came to his A. Yeah, my grandfather. My

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Speaker 5: He had a black owned newspaper called the published and

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Speaker 5: you think about it, this bomb happens and you as you,

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Speaker 2: It all out. And it's funny. It's like I didn't

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Speaker 1: Yes, and in the book too, and in the book

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Speaker 2: I knew that story has something to do with me,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't know it was coming. Yeah, No, it

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Speaker 5: Twenty third and twenty fourth Avenue, and I'm in between

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's right. And damn man, that's a

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Speaker 2: beautiful story. Man, that's crazy up your family. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I'm very curious to know, because you're a

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Speaker 1: producer too. But one thing about you, you are very

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Speaker 1: You're a real lyricists, right, you're.

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Speaker 2: Real trying to be sometimes, So let me ask.

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Speaker 1: You without without critiquing these these these these new this

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Speaker 1: mcs are not lyrical, right, it's.

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Speaker 2: All about us somewhat the melody and being catchy. Yeah right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Has it ever been a time where you winning and

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Speaker 1: as a producer? Who these kids don't know? They just

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Speaker 1: they just they're thinking kay k w one millions King

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Speaker 1: Williams like they thinking that and they are not knowing

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Speaker 1: that you made hit records for yourself, Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 5: But like even with a younger generation, it'll be like

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Speaker 5: That's what I love about producing because it gives me.

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Speaker 2: And it could be somebody you know that's doing it.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. It's just like, what have you seen

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: This is about swag. It's about us just being swaggy

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Speaker 5: and about to be No, no, it's not about the beat.

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Speaker 5: It's like it was like more like y'all have to

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Speaker 2: It's true. Yeah, yeah, it's true to a certain just

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Speaker 2: He's like, you know, just fuck up to yet to

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Speaker 2: So it's just just a give and take, you know

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you, right, you know, you know

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Speaker 2: Come from the era of vinyl.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was trying to make I was trying

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Speaker 1: you particular like DJ, I'm sorry, so so, and then

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Speaker 1: obviously you know, going to a party of the rock

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Speaker 1: right now, vinue is probably not the thing you unless you.

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Speaker 2: Go to those sexy parties with forty five's only and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah know what I'm saying, Yeah, so how have you

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Speaker 1: been able to adjust from you know, the equipment from

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Speaker 1: back then and now like this program is like.

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Speaker 2: Forty loops you don't even need a equipment. You can

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Speaker 2: just do it on your computer. Well, well that's a

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Speaker 2: that's a two part answer. Okay.

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Speaker 5: So like, for example, my DJ Big shouts to DJ

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Speaker 5: tap Money from Philly. He is strictly technique twelve hundred's

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Speaker 5: vinyl only. And what we've been finding as time is

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Speaker 5: That what's that control thing that instantly you started using Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Right, this is my next song? Ye, all right, this

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Speaker 1: Right now, you said that you believe that artists should

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Speaker 1: never have a publishing them. No, can you explain that

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question, how long as he's

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Speaker 5: You get a publishing, they're gonna give you seven hundred thousand.

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Speaker 5: They're giving you seven hundred thousand because they think they

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Speaker 5: know you probably can make one point four million, so

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Speaker 2: You hype for the seven hundred thousand.

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Speaker 5: You take it, but the records that they know you

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Speaker 2: You've been in that situation for your whole life. You

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Speaker 5: If you can, if you really think about it, right,

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Speaker 5: try to But guess what, you can still move your

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Speaker 2: You could get an apartment.

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Speaker 5: You could do whatever you want to do, because you're

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Speaker 5: getting you're getting your commission for being a producer, or

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Speaker 5: you're getting your album advanced, or you're getting whatever you're getting,

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Speaker 5: so you still have some kind of bread.

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Speaker 2: The problem is an artist.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes new artists think that whatever bread that they're getting

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Speaker 5: It's going to be more. And that's great thinking. It's

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Speaker 5: there's a one percent of artists. We know who the

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Speaker 5: ninety nine percent of all artists. Maybe good for one album.

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Speaker 5: Maybe nowadays it's a single and ain't even an album.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sorry to cut you over. You remember your thought.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, y, you got a week and a half. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have a hot album now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was like sometimes it was like maybe

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Speaker 1: And I'm starting to look and I'm like, I think

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is he's actually telling the true. It's

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Speaker 5: So so you take this seven hundred grand right now.

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Speaker 5: You can take the money and you can run. You

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Speaker 5: you can you're seven hundred gud. You could take that

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Speaker 5: seven hundred You can invest it. You should invest it.

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Speaker 5: Do not buy the bends, don't get the chain, don't

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Speaker 5: get invested in something something that will turn your seven

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Speaker 5: invest it. And that's the problem with this industry. No

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Speaker 5: don't do that, no matter what, because money is real shiny, man,

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Speaker 5: It's real shiny when it's up front. So my suggestion is, fine,

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Speaker 5: if you get a publishing deal, get something called an

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Speaker 5: You're gonna make it anyway. In nine months or one

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Speaker 5: point two or two point five or seven point eight,

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Speaker 5: whatever it is, you're gonna make it if you have

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Speaker 2: Now here goes the crazy gamble. And this is all

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Speaker 2: a gamble. Good. What if you didn't take the seven.

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Speaker 5: Hundred grand and you flopped, You're gonna stay in basey.

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Speaker 5: You know, you're still in Wow, You're still in bathes.

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Speaker 5: The gamble, that's the super gamble.

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Speaker 6: What is the loss again, because I don't think we

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Speaker 5: So when you when you take the seven hundred grand,

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Speaker 2: You agreed with.

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Speaker 5: Let's say it's fifty percent. They don't go lower than fifty.

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Speaker 5: So now they own you fifty percent, almost for life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because from there apartment, because you're from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not involved. They give you perfect example.

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Speaker 5: Usually I get to negotiate my thing, but just this

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Speaker 5: probably don't even know, but Kilanie sampled my record only you.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea. Somebody called me and was like, yo,

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Speaker 2: you heard that new Kilanie album? Like what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: Track number five? Like what the hell? And I listened

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, yo, all right, it's about eating ass

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Speaker 2: Side right. Yeah, I'm like, all right, just what we doing.

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Speaker 5: I didn't approve it, but not realizing that my publishing

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Speaker 2: This score Fantastic four too, Yeah, yeah, I was. I

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Speaker 2: put this here, human TARGI gets on fire, Boom on fire, opinion.

436
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 2: So that's how it went in the movie.

437
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 5: But what people don't know when when they submitted it,

438
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 5: the universal was like, we want X amount of dollars

439
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 5: or it can't happen, even though I already said yes,

440
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 5: but the publishing company.

441
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: Was like, nah, you know, await from Lloyd Banks publishing company.

442
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 5: No from Because I had publishing in the song, my

443
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 5: publishing company had to agree, you know, and they didn't.

444
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 5: I said yeah, but the publishing company I was assigned

445
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 5: to did not say, and that almost blocked a bag

446
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 5: because they had this publishing fee. And so it's like,

447
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 5: at what point do you want to be free to

448
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 5: roam with your music? At what point do you want

449
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 5: to be you want to be able to make the

450
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 5: decisions that you feel are right for your music, you know.

451
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: And there's times that I had to make a decision

452
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: and make you know.

453
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 5: They always say sometimes act and then apologize later.

454
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 2: Don't ask for permission first, you know.

455
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 5: So it's like sometimes you got to make those weird

456
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 5: moves like that just to be able to keep your

457
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 5: ship going right.

458
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: You know. Well, listen, new artists, it's up to you.

459
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: Like you said, it's a gamble. It's a gamble. Do

460
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: you how much do you want to gamble on yourself?

461
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: How much do you believe in yourself? How much do

462
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: you believe in your future?

463
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 5: Do you think seven hundred if you think somebody's offering

464
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 5: you seven hundred grand off the rip, That's the thing

465
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 5: I'm trying to tetbody.

466
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: You're never going to give them the best price. You're

467
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: never doing it. And even if you keep negotiating whatever

468
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: price they land that they still you're never gonna out.

469
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 5: Everybody thinks they outsmarted some evil conglomerate out there that's

470
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 5: been slinging records since nineteen fifty eight.

471
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: They may change the name of the company, but it's

472
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: the same thing. Because you know why I.

473
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: Know, is most of us right, all of our first

474
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: deals have always been the horriblest Dealah, And a lot

475
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: of us, like I believe, from even ours to Jay

476
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: to everyone did they would always say that their first

477
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: deal was bad, right, so but a lot of them

478
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: made it afterwards.

479
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: So a lot of people think like that.

480
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: They say, you know what you think, Yeah, for seven

481
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: hundred grand, I'll be seven hundred grand, Richard, and did

482
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: I'll make it better. Some people make it better, and

483
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: then some people stay trapped in that rabbit hole. See,

484
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: there's never stories about the people that's trapped in the rabbit.

485
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: Hole stories about the people who actually made it, the

486
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: ones that everybody sees.

487
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, luckily for me, like I was saying,

488
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 5: luckily for me, the money that I took was a

489
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 5: good amount of money, right. And then I did a

490
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 5: Will Smith record Switch, Yeah, Switch. I did the record

491
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 5: Switch And at that time Will was doing great in films.

492
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 5: He was his films were rocket but he had no

493
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 5: records out at that point. And so when I did

494
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 5: the record, first of all, the deal structure he had,

495
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 5: they didn't even give me my whole fee for the record.

496
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: I did a deal like I'll do it for half.

497
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: The publisher company didn't want you to do it, right, They.

498
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 5: Were like, I just did my publishing deal and they

499
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 5: were like, yo, do you think you want to reconsider

500
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 5: the Will Smith record.

501
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, well would I want to do that?

502
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 5: Like this is an international superstar. Why would I want

503
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 5: to reconsider this record? Like, well, you know, we don't

504
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 5: think the record could do well. We don't know if

505
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 5: he's good in the market.

506
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: You know, this is all you know, everything is about

507
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: like fifty cent at the time, Jay at the time.

508
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 5: So they're like, I don't know about it a Will

509
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 5: Smith record. I'm like, well, that's scene.

510
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 2: I said, well, we want to renegotiate your deal, right,

511
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: which means either you're gonna owe us more money or

512
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: give us some money back. I'm like, yo, I want

513
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: to give y'all money back. You already got me.

514
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 5: For money, and now I'm giving your money back. I said,

515
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 5: let's see what happens. So when the record came out,

516
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 5: the record was number one in like twenty countries and

517
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 5: are super recoop And then I'm like, yo, was that

518
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 5: the real play was real play?

519
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: To get me to not take it so that I

520
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: didn't have to recoup or you know what I'm saying,

521
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: So say that slower for the people that shot the play.

522
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 2: What if the play was describe it? So he gets

523
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: a publishing deal. Yeah, I get a publishing dea. I

524
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: get X amount of dollars I do. The first record

525
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: I do under the publishing deal is the Will Smith record.

526
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: I am told that maybe I should reconsider.

527
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 5: Doing this record because it might not do well and

528
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 5: it may look bad on your and your pucer.

529
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 2: And Will is not really hot. He's just Willi's hot

530
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: is a filmmaker. But he's not. He has no records

531
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: in the marketplace at the time.

532
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 3: So so.

533
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: So you try to get me to reconsider it or renegotiate.

534
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 5: My deal that I just did a month ago for

535
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 5: less money and give back the balance or have to

536
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 5: owe a lot more. You understand what I'm saying, and

537
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, chill. So by the time the record

538
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 5: comes out, I make all the money they gave me.

539
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: What does not your mean exactly what you say.

540
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 6: I'm just on ice and say, yeah, I'm not going

541
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 6: to negotiate at all.

542
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to negotiate it all. Let's the

543
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 5: record come out, because the record is on its way out.

544
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 5: Let the record come out. The record does what it

545
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 5: is doing what it does. So now they're happy because

546
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 5: like they.

547
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: Got fifty percent of my pocket so the record is popping.

548
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: They're getting fifty percent, but I also recoup. Now.

549
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 5: The thing is for people that on the door understand

550
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 5: what you're being given. They're not giving you money, no

551
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 5: record label, no publishing company that gives you money.

552
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: They owe. They lend you money. Yeah it's a long

553
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: They lend you your own money interest with interest. So

554
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: this guy so, so then I paid back my loan

555
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: and now they have to pay me, and they don't.

556
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 5: They expect to give you a high, high yield on it,

557
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 5: and they expect you to oh oh and never have

558
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 5: to pay out.

559
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: They don't expect by the next payout. They got to

560
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: give you a couple of hundred first record, Yeah, on

561
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 2: the first record, And you know.

562
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 5: And I think as a producer, I'm not going to

563
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 5: say I've produced on a lot a lot of stuff,

564
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 5: but I've produced on a lot of quality stuff. So,

565
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 5: like my resume is over forty forty five million records

566
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 5: sold based on the artists that I chose to work

567
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 5: with and be on it. Every album was multiple two, three, four,

568
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 5: five times platinum, So that that gives that that pushes

569
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 5: that money back. So now it's like my situation now

570
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 5: is just more of an admin deal. They just collecting

571
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 5: and I don't have to owe them anything. But that

572
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 5: took years to understanding, years to realize. And so back

573
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 5: to your man in Baisley, he don't have that time

574
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 5: to understand that possible future for him. You know, Like

575
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 5: we can name way too many artists that got the

576
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 5: super popping record. The record is popping, then the publishing

577
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 5: company kicks in and they now they want to scrape

578
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 5: up the rewards. He would have got those rewards anyway,

579
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 5: you know, that's the point. He would have gotten those

580
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 5: things anyway. So, like I said, it's it's crazy man.

581
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: It's a crazy game. I know we spoke about Switch,

582
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: but I want to.

583
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: Know how the record came about, Like like who was

584
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: the people making the phone calls?

585
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 5: I believe everkan Next had something to do with that.

586
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: Every didn't have anything to do with Switch. So Switch,

587
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 5: I guess because of you know, just my time in

588
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 5: the game. I know Will, so you know what I'm saying.

589
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 5: It's not like I didn't know him.

590
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: But parents understand Will. Yeah, just don't understand Hell yes.

591
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 5: And and I want to give a shout to Will

592
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 5: real quick because throughout my career it's weird because it's

593
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 5: not by design, but Will is always done some sort

594
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 5: of a lookout without me knowing.

595
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: That has helped me.

596
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 5: So for example, when I first came out, Will had

597
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 5: this he got his Grammy was eighty nine, he got

598
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 5: his Bammy. He had this big old crib in this

599
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 5: area called Gladwin, Pennsylvania, And I went and there was

600
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 5: a Grammy party everybody was there, and.

601
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: Will was like, yo, man, you know, I'm just coming out.

602
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 5: He was like, I really like what you're doing, like

603
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 5: your vibe blah blah blah, some dope stuff, he said,

604
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 5: but you got to understand what's ahead of you. And

605
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 5: nobody knows, nobody before me ever had this conversation any

606
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 5: other artists.

607
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: I knew we was out just getting girls. That's what

608
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: we were doing. He was like, you got to understand

609
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: what was ahead of you, and he said, I'm not bragging,

610
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: but I just need to show you.

611
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 5: So we go out into the garage. He shows me

612
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 5: all these cars. He was like, each one of these

613
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: cars come with a car note. You know it about

614
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 5: just because I got money, you got to maintain that.

615
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 5: And then looking at the crib and it's like, Yo,

616
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 5: this crib comes with a mortgage. You know, you got

617
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 5: to figure out how are you going to maintain something

618
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 5: like this because you can get this too.

619
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: Then then he has his Gram's like yo, you know

620
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, check it out. And so it's

621
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: my first time I'm holding a Grammy.

622
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, this shit is heavy, and I'm like

623
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 5: he was like, you know, things come with that so

624
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 5: just always be mindful about your business and about your

625
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 5: spending because you're able to achieve that. You know by

626
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 5: the records I see you making. I think you can

627
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 5: achieve this, but just be smart. So that was jewel

628
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 5: number one. Then flash forward, now I'm fucked up in

629
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 5: the game. I'm like, I don't have my deal.

630
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: Records ain't really popping just before you started producing? Yeah,

631
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: well I've always been producing.

632
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 5: I got produced all my stuff, so like before I started,

633
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 5: I really really outside of you.

634
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

635
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting at home, I'm I'm in Corona and

636
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 5: looking at the Fresh Prince of bed and incomes my

637
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 5: song only You, and they have a whole episode he's

638
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: to it. I'm like, oh shit, they use my joint.

639
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 5: So like that, I'm getting these ask caap checks that

640
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 5: I would yo. And that was rent, like straight rent

641
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 5: being paid and a couple of Air Force ones and

642
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 5: Mac ninety seven, and so I'm like, all right, good

643
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 5: looking out because I didn't, you know, I never asked,

644
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 5: but he wanted that record in the episode, and then

645
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 5: that episode turned into another episode where that record was used.

646
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 5: So now I got two episodes of Fresh Prince of

647
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 5: bel Air in syndication, handing me checks.

648
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: Literally helping me out from that. Yeah.

649
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm saying, but I was I was not

650
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 5: happening at this point when these episodes was out, so

651
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, this is good. And then you

652
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: fast forward to two thousand and I don't know four.

653
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 5: I think it was where Switched. One of the people

654
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 5: that work works with my man Omar, who used to

655
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: be Will's dancer, actually reached out to me.

656
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: He was like, Yo, do you have any beats?

657
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 5: Will's working on a new album and he hadn't had

658
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 5: anything out at the time, so I just sent him beats.

659
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: So Switch was already tailor made. It was the beat,

660
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: the hook.

661
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 5: I always handing beats, hooks, and sometimes song ideas like

662
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 5: verses or whatever, but this one was just the beat

663
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 5: and the hook fully done. And then it was a

664
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 5: couple of other joints and then Will and Omar called

665
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 5: me and was like, Yo, we really want to Switch

666
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 5: record and so it was just started working on it.

667
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 5: My man Kel Spencer from Brooklyn, he came in and

668
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 5: helped out with the lyrics me. Will Kel wrote the

669
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 5: lyrics on it, and Will was filming the movie Hitch

670
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 5: at the time. So he would film hitch in the morning,

671
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: come to the studio work on the album at night.

672
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 5: So this like this this dude was working hard and

673
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 5: that's how the work the record came out.

674
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: Was that the album that he had on the track masters,

675
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: on the Columbia track masters was the one before the Yeah, yeah,

676
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: so this one.

677
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of the album anymore, but yeah,

678
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: it was the one. I it was after the.

679
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 5: I think it was like to get Jiggy Witted album

680
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: and I think Big Willie Style was that album or

681
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 5: I can't remember.

682
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: But then it was like a few years later he

683
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: did this one. You getting checks from my I company

684
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: that switched thee.

685
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 5: So so that's the thing, and that's the thing that

686
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 5: helped me, helped me recoup Bosh and Lahm had these

687
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 5: removable what do you call them things to contact Switch

688
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: and Yeah, so in all these countries in Europe it

689
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 5: would be the commercial of like switch and Yo, they

690
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 5: like when I tell you, I don't even want to

691
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 5: disclose the amount of money, but just that commercial was

692
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 5: the first advance I got from the publishing company, just

693
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: that commercial alone.

694
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: So that's how I ended up super recooping correct sixty

695
00:33:54,320 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: eight percent of so I don't even I don't remember

696
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: that number, but it's that smoke. So yeah, so when

697
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: those when that check came in.

698
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 5: You know, even though the first the first check of it,

699
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 5: I didn't necessarily see because it went back.

700
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: To recooping, recouped it. Okay, you know between that and yeah,

701
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: I was even Stephen at that point, I was like, fine, dude,

702
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I'm not even want to see

703
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: the commercial.

704
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 5: I live in America. I'm not this damn commercial whatever.

705
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 5: But then other things started coming along with it, and

706
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 5: that showed me the power of trying to broaden your base.

707
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 5: Perfect example, with you and Theaton, it was a FIFA,

708
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 5: there was an NBA, and there was some other things,

709
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 5: and that was just for that particular record, you know

710
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So it taught me a lesson as

711
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: a producer and as a writer, Like you know, right

712
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 5: for the hood for sure, but is hoods everywhere, and

713
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 5: you got to figure out that frequency that people can

714
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 5: tap into. Like I was saying with you in the Reggaeton,

715
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 5: like I thought that was a monster move to do that.

716
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, it's a whole world out

717
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: here and people got to understand it's not just the

718
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 5: block you want, and you got to understand that world.

719
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: Right.

720
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 6: Although, let me ask you, though, although you were producing

721
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 6: for yourself, when you were you know, an mc ye

722
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 6: putting out records, how did you how did you make

723
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 6: that transition though to just being a producer and shopping

724
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 6: these yourself as a producer.

725
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: So I'm going to give that that's a great question.

726
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 5: I was always produced, Like the first record, the first

727
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 5: thing I ever did as an professional was I was.

728
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: I produced this record for Antoinette, Wrapper out of the

729
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 5: Bronx and Answerinette. I was maybe fourteen when I did

730
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 5: this record, and oh the record is terrible. I hated

731
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 5: that record. Man, I'm singing on it. They spelled my

732
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 5: name wrong, my name, they spelled the q U I

733
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 5: M I. My mother had to come to the studio

734
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 5: and blackout on her manager because they're trying to pay me.

735
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: It was the wildest experience.

736
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: But watching Herbie Lovebug and watching him produce Salt and

737
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 5: Pepper and Kid playing Dana Dane, That's what I learned.

738
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: What was peper first name?

739
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 5: SuperNature? SuperNature? And I didn't really understand what producer was

740
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 5: so like it would be like Herbie would be in

741
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 5: there with salt and pepper. He was driving an orange

742
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy eight Dotson that was being helped together by

743
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 5: duct tape like no lock. Their first album dropped and

744
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 5: Herbie disappeared, like he disappeared for the whole summer. And

745
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 5: when he came back, math Fat Rope Grilly pulled up

746
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: in a Cherry red one ninety.

747
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: E with Gucci seats. I was like, you, what the

748
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: hell and he was like, i'm a, i'm a, I'm

749
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to do that.

750
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 5: So so after producing my own stuff, I'm always like

751
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 5: trying to produce other people. And I think two things

752
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 5: that happen. One, I want to give a shout to

753
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 5: my man Rick Rick and Philly. My man Rick Young

754
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 5: Rick had a tap in at one point. Every well,

755
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: I think it's still like this. Every person who has

756
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 5: who sells Hood pharmaceuticals has a crew that can rap

757
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 5: and they're able to, yes, they're able to fund projects,

758
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: fund independent projects and help get their crew out of

759
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 5: the situation they're in. So we had tapped into a

760
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 5: bunch of cruise in Philly that was doing that, and

761
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 5: so that's how I started really starting to make the

762
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 5: rent and starting to be able to get on that

763
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: peter Pan beat after beat after beat, crew after crew,

764
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 5: then you know, rocking with some cruise in hallm same thing,

765
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 5: beat after be have to beat and then.

766
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: But at the same time I was still trying to

767
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: get back on.

768
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 5: So my man Ron Lawrence, I played him some stuff

769
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 5: and he was like, yo, man, that biggie, that biggie line.

770
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: Man, it kind of killed your name. Yeah.

771
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: He was like kind of like, sawte your name out here. Man,

772
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 5: I don't know if you can come back out right now,

773
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 5: but these beats are nuts. Between Ron Lawrence and I

774
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 5: got to give a shout out to the track masters

775
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 5: because I come up there they were working on Mary's Out.

776
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 5: I'll be playing beats, but I'd be rhyming on them,

777
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 5: and they were like, you want to sell the beat?

778
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 5: Like no, no, no, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta

779
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 5: come back out and everybody, all the major people that

780
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 5: I was playing these records for, Yeah, but they asking

781
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 5: me to sell the beat, and I'm like, I don't

782
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 5: even know how to take.

783
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: It because YO want my way. But then on the

784
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: other end, I'm like, but the beats is dope, and

785
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: I'm I'm the kid in basically at this point. So

786
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, I remember like track Masters, I remember like no, no,

787
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: it was Ron Launch, Like, you know you can get

788
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: twenty five grand for this beat right now? I said,

789
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: putting all of these rhymes is don't And he's looking

790
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: at me like dog, you gotta understand where he's at

791
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: right now in this world. And I was like, all right,

792
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 2: let's try it right And I didn't you know, He's

793
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 2: telling me he can get beats.

794
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 5: So I'm laying up, I'm in the crib and he

795
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 5: gives me a calling. He's like, we got we got

796
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 5: four Like what fuck you talk about? We got four?

797
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: Four placements? Yeah? I'm like, what do you mean for?

798
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: He said, ll just bought three and Mary J. Blige

799
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: just bought one. Wow. And I'm sitting now, I'm in Harlem.

800
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm in a one bedroom apartment in Halem, six floor walker.

801
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: I don't know where he buying from, married, I don't

802
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: know who he's your story. He's like, he said, so

803
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: who do I make the check to? I said, what

804
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: you mean? He said, Yo, we just sold four beats.

805
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 5: I'm like work And so the first thing because back then,

806
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 5: you know, back then, the producer had to bring all

807
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 5: their equipment to the student. And so so I'm like,

808
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 5: my first night, I've got to go to Sony Studios.

809
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: I gotta work on this.

810
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 5: The greatest studio on the planet beside a circle house.

811
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: Out here you run into anybody, and so you get

812
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 5: I get that, and I'm nervous as ship because it's like, yo,

813
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 5: am my.

814
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: Back and I don't even know it, you know what

815
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

816
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is your first placement as a producer, period,

817
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: and do you know you meet me and now I'm

818
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: not meeting him for the first time.

819
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know, you know you're going to lay

820
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: it down for the tracks down.

821
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 5: For yeah, And I'm like, so, I'm like, I'm starting

822
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 5: to get straight nervous, like I ain't never did this before.

823
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 5: And I'm like I had to snap out of it.

824
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 5: I go, I'm on the train. I take the a train.

825
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 5: I got my MPC and a bag.

826
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

827
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 5: They rented the rest of my stuff and and I

828
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 5: walk into the studio and I walk in and as

829
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 5: you mentioned, Eric Nixon, shout out to Eric L's and

830
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 5: the time, and L's there and I'm sitting and I'm

831
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 5: setting my shit up and L walks in the room.

832
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: He's like, yo, Kual, what you're doing? That's crazy?

833
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 5: He said, are we in the wrong session. I was like, no, no,

834
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 5: it's the right section. She's like, what you're doing? And

835
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 5: I'm finishing your beat?

836
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: He was like wait what he said?

837
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 5: Ron didn't make that beat? And it was nothing against Ron.

838
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 5: Ron never said he made the beat, but he was like,

839
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 5: Ron didn't make that beat.

840
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I made that. He was like yo.

841
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: He was like, so you want to just get on

842
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: the hook. I was like sure, you know what I'm saying.

843
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 5: So the first record we did was a record on

844
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 5: his album called ten called throw your L's Up. So

845
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 5: it doesn't say feature in kuwame, but I'm like, yo, shit,

846
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 5: I got an ll cool J do it right.

847
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: So that's the first being. Then you know, we worked

848
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: on the.

849
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: Other We worked on another record called ten Million Stars,

850
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 5: which is probably one of my favorite records I ever produced.

851
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: And then we did this children's.

852
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 5: Record call and the Winner Is and it like he

853
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: did like a scholastic children's book, and it was like

854
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 5: a rap record.

855
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: To go with that. So we did those three records

856
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: in the first week. And then.

857
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 5: And then there was the other surreal moment where I

858
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 5: was doing a show as Kwameta rapper on one side

859
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 5: of the city and I had to finish the show

860
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 5: early because I had to be in the studio with

861
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 5: Mary to do her record. And the whole time I'm

862
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 5: on stage, you know, doing nineteen eighty nine records, I'm.

863
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Just like, can this shit get over with so I

864
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: can get into the studio and.

865
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 5: Be the new me, you know what I'm saying. So

866
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 5: it's like I throw the damn pok, I go into

867
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 5: the studio looking fresh, and I'm like, Yo, this is

868
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 5: I'm in the new lane now. And I never looked

869
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 5: back from that point.

870
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: Goddamn, because because I heard you speak about three different positions, right,

871
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: you said artists obviously, then DJing, right and producing?

872
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: Is when did you become all three? Or has that

873
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: always been you?

874
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 5: That was always well, see, I'm from the area, We're

875
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 5: all from the era. When you say you do hip hop,

876
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 5: you try to do every damn thing. You try to write,

877
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 5: you try to you gotta b box, you try to DJ,

878
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 5: you try to break down, do whatever you gotta. So

879
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 5: I still believe that I cannot say that I'm hip

880
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 5: hop without entering one of those chambers at any given time.

881
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 5: So if I got DJ, I'm a DJ. If I

882
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 5: got to write something on the wall, I'm gonna write

883
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: something on the wall. If I gotta do a beat

884
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 5: on a BT box or whatever, or rhyme or whatever,

885
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 5: it's whatever. I don't know if I'm a head spin now,

886
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 5: but you know what I'm saying. It's like so I've

887
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 5: been djaying as early as I can remember, like stealing

888
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 5: my parents' equipment and going because I used to go.

889
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 5: My school was up the block from my house. Shouts

890
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 5: to Saint Gabes. I would go up to school and

891
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 5: do parties and.

892
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.

893
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know, I must because it

894
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: wasn't Kenny from around Kenny Smith from remember. I think

895
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: both of them went to the same games.

896
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah, yeah, I know Kenny Smith might have

897
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: because I think he told me that he did.

898
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, Eddie, I wanted to say, I wanted to

899
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 6: say that for any coo, but he's not here yet.

900
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: But our boy Eddie, he was.

901
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: Brother.

902
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, my brother was five years behind me.

903
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, so so.

904
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 5: Djaying has always been the first music money I ever made.

905
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: Was my fifteen dollars for Djay and Marianne Shilling For's

906
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 5: twelve birthday party.

907
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what the hell I'm doing

908
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: just putting records on.

909
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 5: But for me, I think you should try to embody

910
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 5: all things if you can, you know what I'm saying.

911
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 5: So I don't get mad at and I know, let

912
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 5: me say this to DJ now, even though I have

913
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 5: a DJ right in front of me. I think each

914
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 5: thing that you claim to be, if you're a DJ,

915
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 5: I think that's a sacred thing. I don't think I

916
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 5: will never call myself DJ Kwame. I'll do a party,

917
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: but I'm not gonna call myself DJ Kuame because that's

918
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 5: not what I am.

919
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

920
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 5: I call myself an artist and a producer way before

921
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 5: I select. I'll select records, but I'm not gonna call

922
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 5: myself a DJ because I think.

923
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: That's on him.

924
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 5: That's on him, you know what I'm saying. Like I

925
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 5: see it both sides. I knew for me, it's a

926
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 5: sacred title.

927
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: That's for me. That's how I look at it when I.

928
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 5: See DJs and I see real DJs, not Serrado selectors.

929
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm talking about real DJ cates crates at home.

930
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: Like I was talking to Red Alert the other day

931
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 5: and I was like, I asked him because I was

932
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: I thought it was a rumor. I said, is it

933
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 5: a rumor that you have an apartment in Harlem with

934
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 5: so many records that the.

935
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: Years are buckling? He said, that ship is true. Wow,

936
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: he said it's one hundred percent. Yeah. He said the

937
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: floors are caving in, so he had to like strategically

938
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: put the records around the floors because it's too much weight.

939
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: That's a DJ. You know what I'm saying. Where where

940
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 2: I know DJ's that the records. I'm pretty sure you've

941
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: been in a DJ's crib where the records is the

942
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: whole crib. It just fakes everyone.

943
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 6: My record's all over my crab. I got a separate office.

944
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 6: I got my records at the crib.

945
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's like like he told me when I

946
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 5: got He's like, I wanted to bring one of your

947
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 5: old rock records.

948
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't find it. That's some DJ ship.

949
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 5: And I can't be mad at that because I know

950
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 5: what that is where it's like, oh, I got everything

951
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 5: on my hard drive. All right, cool, that's fine, you know,

952
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 5: but do you have do you have this vinyl at home?

953
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 5: You know, I'm a Soado selector. I select well, but

954
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 5: I'm a Soado selector and and and i don't even

955
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 5: choose a lot of times that to DJ. I'd rather

956
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 5: produce and perform than now.

957
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: Now, there was a rumor that at your hottest I'm

958
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: talking about the hottest, but you were still riding the train.

959
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: Is that true? Pro ride the train?

960
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 5: I mean all the time, all the time, like because

961
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 5: like you know, that was the thing, like you know, yo,

962
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 5: I will take the train. Well, well, at my hottest hottest, yeah,

963
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 5: because at my hottest, I'm in high school, so I

964
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 5: had to get on the train that time.

965
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: You started at sixteen. I heard fourteen earlier, well fourteen,

966
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: the fourteen. By the time that record came out, I'm sixteen,

967
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: only seventeen. Yeah, And at some point, let's be clear,

968
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: at some point at my hottest, I did have to

969
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: have like security, which was whack to me.

970
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 5: I thought it was like super whack because I went

971
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 5: to this high school. The main high school I went

972
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 5: to was in Manhattan called high school art and design artist.

973
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 5: I wanted to do it and having project product, you

974
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 5: went there, Sticky Fingers went there, parro Manch went there.

975
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: Who else? When I heard you all went to school together,

976
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was our design. Yeah, it was

977
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: our design.

978
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 5: So Prince Paul Tree from you know that that group,

979
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 5: that group organized confusion, So we all went to the school.

980
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 5: Cool him from umc's. We're all at one point in

981
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 5: time in the same school. But my parents were getting divorced.

982
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 5: My pops moved to New Jersey.

983
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: I had it all predominantly Queen's artists though, right, Yeah,

984
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: So how was how the all Queens artists end up?

985
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. We always you know how to draw

986
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: and so so.

987
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 5: But long story short, I ended up in the high

988
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 5: school Forest Hills High School in Queens for my for

989
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 5: my eleventh grade, and that's when the album kicked in.

990
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: So the album kicks in, My advance kicks in, the

991
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: album don't come out yet. He comes, He comes, Stupid Kwalm,

992
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Stupid Kom pulls up Mega truck Jewelry. I'm looking like

993
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: Slick Rick versus Eric b versus Big Daddy King.

994
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 5: Then I borrowed from Herbie Lovebug. He had this bracelet,

995
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 5: but the bracelet came from here to here.

996
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm coming to school with this monster bracelet, cube and

997
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 2: links like Gucci.

998
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 5: I'm looking like a madman, all leatherland, French coats.

999
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: Wilding out.

1000
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 5: I didn't know nobody the schemes were happening. Trust me,

1001
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 5: the schemes are.

1002
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: I'm looking. I'm sitting in the lux roover on.

1003
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 5: My scam scamsh so I'm walking through and I got

1004
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 5: cool with the security guard and he was like, yo, man,

1005
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 5: I just need to tell you they watching you. I'm like, well,

1006
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: I know, I know the kids in the school is

1007
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 5: watching me. He said, no, day watching you. There's a

1008
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 5: there's a detective undercover in the school watching you. Who

1009
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 5: thinks you move and weight in the school. I said, Now,

1010
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 5: I'm a rapper. He said, nobody gonna believe that ship wow.

1011
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 5: And I'm like, for real, he said, yeah, so you

1012
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 5: know you gotta chill out with this. You acting wow

1013
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 5: right now. And I'm like, and I'm on the train

1014
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 5: with this. Mind you, I'm looking crazy. I'm crazy the eighties. Yeah,

1015
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 5: I'm bugget So when you first back in the days

1016
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 5: when you get an album cover, it comes in like

1017
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 5: this sheet, this long sheet. It's like a pressing, test

1018
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 5: pressing of an album covers. And I had some cassettes,

1019
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 5: some pressing, some test cassettes, the test album cover.

1020
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: And then the vinyl. And I went to the principal's

1021
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: office and I was like, yo, I hear it, y'all

1022
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: watching me.

1023
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 5: And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about,

1024
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 5: mister Holland I'm like, yeah, you know, that's fine, it's cool.

1025
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 5: I know I need to turn tone it down, and

1026
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 5: I will because I don't know what I was thinking.

1027
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 5: And I apologize for that, but this is a young age.

1028
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 5: You used that and tell us that because I knew,

1029
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 5: you know, I was always taught. You know, you you

1030
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 5: attract the heat that you get at all times. You

1031
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 5: attracted real So I'm like, you know, and then you know,

1032
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 5: and I'm attracting another element because I know I'm being

1033
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 5: schemed oning.

1034
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: So what happens now? I got to bring my foot

1035
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: to school, you know what I'm saying.

1036
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 5: And I got deal with these south Side kids and

1037
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 5: this that and the third it's like I'm a try

1038
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 5: I'm putting pressure on the school I'm putting pressure on

1039
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 5: myself and I'm putting pressure on the kids in school.

1040
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: So it's like, all right, I understand what I'm doing.

1041
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: His Wow, but this is what I do.

1042
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 5: I'm a rapper. I'm coming out. The album comes out

1043
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 5: January thirty first. This is like pre Christmas break. So

1044
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 5: the principal goes, Yo, why don't you just don't come back?

1045
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: Like the fuck? He's like, you're about to be a

1046
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: rich rapper, hip hop man, right, why don't you just say?

1047
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what this is the principal? Yeah,

1048
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: that the principal don't look like me.

1049
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. He's about the shade of

1050
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 5: his candle. So he's telling me to drop out. Bar

1051
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 5: sales height, Yeah, I don't even remember this guy's name. Now,

1052
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 5: if I would have told my parents, especially my mom,

1053
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 5: and mom would have fast and I would have been Now,

1054
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 5: I got kids scheming on me. I got the principal

1055
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 5: one to be the dropout, I got the DT and

1056
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 5: I here come my mom. That's worse than all of

1057
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 5: them put together. So I'm like, are you sure you

1058
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 5: want me to do that? He's like, yeah, I think

1059
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 5: you should drop out.

1060
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 2: Wow.

1061
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 5: I said, I'll get back to you, so as Christmas

1062
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 5: break goes. So what we decided to do. Anybody in

1063
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 5: New York and will notice. In the New York City

1064
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 5: school system we got a thing called six hundred School.

1065
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 5: That's right, oh boys, yep, six hundred school. I went

1066
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 5: there twice.

1067
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: Which one you go to? I went to one in

1068
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: Bridgewood and I went to one in Bushwick. I was

1069
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: at Bushwick. They were like, we're on the same block,

1070
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: six hundred school. So my management should have known better

1071
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: because they were professional children's schools that I could have

1072
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: went to. There was a school in Manhattan called PPAs

1073
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 2: and it was strictly for kids that were usually on

1074
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: Broadway or in TV shows or movies. But they would

1075
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: have taken me, and I knew some kids my little brother.

1076
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 5: My little brother was heavy into dance and he had

1077
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 5: a lot of friends like Dion Bud from The Cosby Show.

1078
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 2: He used to go there. Mcaulay Caulking used to go there,

1079
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: and they were friends of my little brother. So I

1080
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 2: knew about I knew about the school, and I tried

1081
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: to suggest it, but they didn't know how to go

1082
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: to the route there, so they put me in a

1083
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: six hundred school. Wow, And it made it seem like,

1084
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: you know, with six hundred schools, you either messing around

1085
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: in school and you bad and they tell you to

1086
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: go to the six hundred school, or you have an

1087
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: extenuating circumstance. You got to take care of a parent,

1088
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: you have to work during the day, you're pregnant, teen,

1089
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: you're whatever. So now I got to go to the

1090
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: six hundred school in Bushwick. You know how it is

1091
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: in Bushwick in nineteen eighty nine, I didn't even know. Yeah,

1092
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: I only knew Queens of the Yeah man tact. You

1093
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: go get that there.

1094
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 5: It's like, yo, where am I at? So now I

1095
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 5: got to pull up And this time I'm not on

1096
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 5: the train. I'm pulling up in a convertible, all white convertible. No, no, no,

1097
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 5: I got this this folks wacken, folks waging cabriolet. I'm

1098
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 5: pulling up, top down in January.

1099
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: And still school. And I'm not the tallest dude in

1100
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: the room. I'm like five six, and I got this

1101
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: eight foot tall security dude next to me, and we

1102
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: walking through the school and everybody's looking at me like

1103
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: the fuck you have security in the school? I had

1104
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: school security. No, I had to have security in the school.

1105
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: So I'm walking through the school. I'm trying to be

1106
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: everybody hey, you know, and he's looking at me like, yeah,

1107
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: you got a big security.

1108
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 6: Go.

1109
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 5: So I get into the school and they make me

1110
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 5: sit in a closet for the whole school day. I'm

1111
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 5: in a meat big man a desk and I'm in

1112
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 5: the closet. You in school, I can't they separate, like

1113
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 5: like I'm in PC, but in school.

1114
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: In school, I'm like, six hundred is kind of like jail.

1115
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 6: Yes.

1116
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 5: So I'm like in this clause, I say, why can't

1117
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 5: I be around the other kids? And the teacher's like,

1118
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 5: you cannot be around the other kids. I'm like, they

1119
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 5: could be my friends, you know, they cannot, like, just

1120
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 5: do your work. So I'm doing my.

1121
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 2: School work and the music's out already. The music is

1122
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: out popping, so everybody knows I'm popping.

1123
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 5: And the lucky thing, the thing that took me out

1124
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 5: of the six hundred school was I did a deal

1125
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 5: with them where I can go on tour.

1126
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: Wow.

1127
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 5: And when I go on tour, they send me the

1128
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 5: work like homeschool. Yeah, And I do the work and

1129
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 5: then when I come off a to it, I just

1130
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 5: hand it in. It's like hey, coming in the morning,

1131
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 5: handing it and get the hell out out of here,

1132
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 5: you know.

1133
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: But they had to mail you, not email you.

1134
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 5: No either, somebody from my management company were going to

1135
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 5: pick up a pocket or say if I'm there week one,

1136
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 5: they'll give me a packet for week two, three, and four.

1137
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: I'm going. And so that's privilege. You call it privilege.

1138
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: Everybody getting chicks. And I was sitting there doing math.

1139
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not you know what I'm saying.

1140
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: I was disciplined, but like my godfather was one of

1141
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: my role managers, like, yeah, my moms, wasn't my mind's possible,

1142
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: wasn't playing it. And the first tour that I was on,

1143
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: I'm actually getting a contact high. It's pretty cool. Yeah,

1144
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 2: I'm like floating it. But I never experienced after before.

1145
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 6: But so.

1146
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: So so, and that's one of the.

1147
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 5: Things with contact high, you don't remember ship. So the

1148
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 5: first tour I was on was that n w A

1149
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 5: to Ever see the n w A movie one tour.

1150
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 5: That was my first tour. You on that tour?

1151
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was me who ship me and w A? Yeah,

1152
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: he was the host. So this had the toy this

1153
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: is what how don't hip hop? I was back in

1154
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: the day. This is some real ship? So T. K.

1155
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: Kirkland was the host, opening host of he would host

1156
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: throughout the whole thing.

1157
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 5: Then the opening act was the d O C. And

1158
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 5: after the d O C was J J Fad you know,

1159
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 5: Dre had to put his axe on. Then we had

1160
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 5: just like random acts.

1161
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: There was an act.

1162
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 5: There was a group seven eight three was one of

1163
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 5: the groups from down here, Poison Clan that maybe this

1164
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 5: leg when we came here, the certain Poison Clan because

1165
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 5: we used to clown the fun out and I'm pretty

1166
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 5: sure it was on that tour. But then it was

1167
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 5: kidd and play on the get this it's too short.

1168
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 5: It's myself, It's easy.

1169
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: And then n w A. So they have the police.

1170
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 5: So every city, mind you, this is arenas. We're not

1171
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 5: doing clubs. We're doing thirty thousand arenas.

1172
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: Every every night.

1173
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 5: You're eighteen nineteen, I'm seventeen seventeen. Jesus, I'm sixteen going

1174
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 5: on seventeen.

1175
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: This is wild. So every night we're doing these arenas.

1176
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 5: But because of fuck the police, all law enforcement countrywide

1177
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 5: boycotted the shows, so there was no security in thirty thousand.

1178
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: You talk about this here before, but there was no violence. Right.

1179
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: We had to talk to the people like, yo, y'all

1180
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: want this show to go on, y'all got to chill.

1181
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: Whatever happens after the show, y'all take that shit outside.

1182
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: It's the only way this show is going to happen.

1183
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: And then the police chief will show up and they'll

1184
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: come in.

1185
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 5: They'll have a list. Now if you'll say fuck shit,

1186
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 5: damn it, if you do any kind.

1187
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: Of gyrating with your penis or anything like that, immediately arrested.

1188
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 5: So they would tell us this as we right before

1189
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: we get on stage. So the mandate was we would

1190
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 5: all have a meeting, everybody sit there and easy. It

1191
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 5: would be like, yo, it ain't about who goes on

1192
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 5: last or first. This was gonna happen.

1193
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1194
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1195
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 5: So he was like, yo, calm, you get on, you

1196
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 5: do your thing. As soon as you get on, get

1197
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 5: off because you're the clean guy.

1198
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: Get off. I'm running on. I'm gonna do my thing. Yes,

1199
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run on, and then I'm bringing w a

1200
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: out and we're.

1201
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 5: Gonna spas the fuck out at the last song is

1202
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 5: fuck the Police, as fuck the Police is going on,

1203
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 5: We're gonna jump in the crowd, run out the front.

1204
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: Can you play? You get right on stage, so fuck

1205
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: the police gets on. They all boom, shut down the middle.

1206
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: And then following then is come on man, it comes on,

1207
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: cleaning up or we would switch out quime you're gonna last.

1208
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: You gotta do it tonight. You know, it would be

1209
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 2: that switch up. And that's some hip hop ship. It wasn't.

1210
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: It was three. It wasn't had nothing to do with

1211
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: East Coast, West coast anything. That was just.

1212
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 5: And everybody because hip hop wasn't mainstream, and because hip

1213
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 5: hop wasn't, I feel like it's almost like I want

1214
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 5: to I want to liken it to like Latin concerts.

1215
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: You know how Latin concerts.

1216
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 5: Can do a whole stadiums and arenas and like, but

1217
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 5: some of those artists aren't on mainstream radio.

1218
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: This is not on mainstream like American radio. Yeah, but

1219
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand people will be up in them. Was

1220
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: arena because they know it and it's a part of

1221
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: the culture, and it was That's how hip hop was.

1222
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 5: It was a part of our culture, and everybody wanted

1223
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 5: to see it. So how youre going to not pack

1224
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 5: thirty thousand, thirty thousand kids, all colors, all races. It

1225
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 5: wasn't had nothing to do with nothing. It was just

1226
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 5: people who love hip hop. And then you know that

1227
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 5: tour morphed into like then it was like a Public

1228
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 5: Enemy n w A I mean Easy E tour because

1229
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 5: that n w A Toys that was the only tour.

1230
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: It was a rap after that. So then you know

1231
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: I would be on tours.

1232
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 5: I would be on tours with people from Public Enemy

1233
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 5: to Teddy Valley and guy it what doesn't matter.

1234
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 2: It was if it was of the time, you on

1235
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: that kind of tour.

1236
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 5: And that was luckily for me and the type of

1237
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 5: records I made, I was able to get on all

1238
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 5: those different types of tours.

1239
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 2: Damn that was amazing. So I read somewhere that you

1240
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: say that your mom's watches everything you do.

1241
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: You do, so they're gonna tell moms to tool out

1242
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: for this part, yo, head phone me go don't understand man,

1243
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: Let's not.

1244
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: Watch this part. Because I got to ask you.

1245
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: You've been on all of these tours, you have the

1246
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: oh and this is this is the definition of groupies.

1247
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: How many groupies. You think you smashed? I said, homework, yeah, yeah,

1248
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, homework got finished.

1249
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 5: Like I'm not well Chamberlain, because my my, you know,

1250
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 5: like you could see some rappers they got eight, nine, ten,

1251
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 5: twelve kids. That's from groupie loving. Now I ain't got that,

1252
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 5: but yo, I'm telling you, it'd be like the wildest.

1253
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 5: Like we would have the wildest situations, like we pull

1254
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 5: up to the it'd be stuff like the tour bus

1255
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 5: will pull up and it'll be a girl.

1256
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: I said, I want Carmel, Like what's carmel? Car Mail?

1257
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: I want Carmel, you know, deal with the dots in

1258
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: the street, Calmel. And I'd be like, all right, Caramel.

1259
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: She couldn't say, she just called me calml.

1260
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 5: So so so groupy love would happen sometimes before we're

1261
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 5: even checking the hotels, Like the bus pull up and

1262
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 5: they got on, and it'll be these girls and you

1263
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 5: gotta watch it because you don't know, you don't know

1264
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 5: what it really is. So for example, one time I

1265
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 5: was I don't remember what state I was in. These

1266
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 5: girls came in and they had on his short They

1267
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 5: all will.

1268
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: Poke it out. That's what I know. Which ones was mine?

1269
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: Everyone they Yeah, the n w A girls. Girls will

1270
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: always have a Raiders hat on. They would have body

1271
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: suits with holes in it. So you see like half

1272
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: they ask everything, half they everything. You know, that's easy

1273
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: ease girls man like, you don't mess with them. But

1274
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: then the calm girls, they look like, you know, they

1275
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: were the high school chicks with the you know, the

1276
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 2: short pleated skirts to poke it out biker shorts. Yeah,

1277
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: you know, like the fifty four eleven. You know what

1278
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It was like, you know, some teenagers. So

1279
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: we pull up into one city and these girls are

1280
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: like poke it out it down in these little tight skirts.

1281
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: The limousine pulls up, she takes off a shirt, puts

1282
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: them on a glass. I'm like, yo, I'm see. I'm like, yeah,

1283
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: they writing their name and number and lipstick on the thing.

1284
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 2: And and our term, I'm not gonna give you the

1285
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: term because we still use the term, so just say,

1286
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, like, oh, we smash it.

1287
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 5: So the show comes in and always is always the

1288
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 5: after party, and you always announce. People would announce what

1289
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 5: hotels we were at on stage.

1290
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: Holiday party, so the girls would nowhere to go.

1291
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 5: So now, mind you these girls. I got to rewind

1292
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 5: that because one of the girls looked like she was

1293
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 5: all of twelve years old.

1294
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: She was wilent. The other girls around the look of

1295
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: age with this one looks like a little sister that

1296
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: got out okay, and she was wild.

1297
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 5: And so we get to the hotel and it's a

1298
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 5: knock on my door and I'm like, who knows my room?

1299
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 5: I opened the doors and this girl checked out.

1300
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: She had the doobie weed bob or whatever you call it,

1301
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: all made up, super tight skirt on and she came in.

1302
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm ready for you. I'm like, you ready

1303
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,479
Speaker 2: for me? And I'm seventeen and I'm like, I'm ready

1304
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: for you. And right before it happened, she's like, you

1305
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 2: don't remember me, do you. I was like, nah, who

1306
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 2: are you?

1307
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 5: I was the one with the blah blah blah. I'm

1308
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 5: like the twelve years yeah, bounce, you gotta bounce. And

1309
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 5: now you gotta understand. That's how ill it was. It

1310
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 5: was so ill that I've witnessed mothers bring their daughters

1311
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 5: to the hotel like I've seen it. The mother bring

1312
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 5: my he's my she she's seventeen. She just wanted to

1313
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 5: meet you, y'all have fun like what yo?

1314
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 6: What?

1315
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: Or while shit like girlfriends or wives coming into the

1316
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: to the lobby and I'm pretty sure you're seeing your

1317
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 2: shit too.

1318
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying girlfriends or wives and it'll be

1319
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 5: like whoever gets down with the girl and they get

1320
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 5: You're walking them, trying to be a gentleman. You're walking

1321
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 5: them into the lobby, and they don't tell you they married,

1322
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 5: They don't tell you they got a girlfriend.

1323
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: And then here comes the man out of nor.

1324
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 5: And swings up, knocks the girl out wild stuff. You're like, yo,

1325
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 5: it's like this ain't none of your business.

1326
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: I'm playing.

1327
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 5: It ain't my business at all, you know what I'm saying.

1328
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 5: So at an early age, I learned to really watch

1329
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 5: what that is. I've been in malls, Like I've been

1330
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 5: in malls and.

1331
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: Random girls come up to me with like kids and

1332
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: they be like, Yo, you know MC such and such. Yeah,

1333
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 2: that's my man. Tell him this his kid, kid. You

1334
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: need to tell him.

1335
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 5: I don't know how you take my number and you're

1336
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 5: telling him he's in Phoenix, Arizona. He got a six

1337
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 5: year old son.

1338
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: Look at it looks just like him doing it And

1339
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, kind of dude, So you gotta really

1340
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 2: watch that.

1341
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 5: That groopy, that groopy situation. Luckily, you know, I was

1342
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 5: able to dodge and and I ended up having a

1343
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 5: real good girlfriend.

1344
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: That would be on the road with me. So I

1345
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: was just like, you know, check it. And if my

1346
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: mom was around, you know, was before that. He was

1347
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: knocking a lot of things down. Man. I'm just I'm

1348
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing what I gotta do, you know, because

1349
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: I always wondered.

1350
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: I was always like, do you think Kwame might have

1351
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: sucked one of Biggie's bitches.

1352
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: That's the reason why Biggie said that, you think I

1353
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: think so? You think so?

1354
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I think I'm jo but no,

1355
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 5: but something like that has happened. I'm working on these ja.

1356
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, waiting on these records, and I'm in the elevators

1357
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 2: just me and Dame. Dame looks at me. He's like,

1358
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: you're a cool dude, man with you and everything, But

1359
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: at one point in time, I just wanted to fuck

1360
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: you up. I was like, what Shi man, This girl

1361
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: named Keisha man I used to love for me. He

1362
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 2: was fucking to me. He was messing with my girl.

1363
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 2: And he kept coming around the block knocking this down.

1364
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 2: I wanted her so bad. I was like, but I

1365
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 2: ain't out of my fault. Don't be mad at me,

1366
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, charging to the game, but

1367
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know, that was like a light, light

1368
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: hearted thing that was That was cool. But I don't know.

1369
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 5: I think I think with the big situation, I don't

1370
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 5: think it was personal at all.

1371
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't think personally. I never looked at it as personal.

1372
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, we knew way too many of the

1373
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 5: same people, So I know if there was a personal thing,

1374
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 5: I would have known about it, you know, from puff

1375
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 5: on down, Like we knew too many same people.

1376
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: I think it was a line. If you listen to

1377
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: that first album, he got lines on damn everybody will

1378
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: is to escape to me, you know some dreams where

1379
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: he's talking about yeah, like you know, and.

1380
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 5: I know some R and B artists at that point

1381
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 5: took offense to that. They was like, so, I don't

1382
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 5: think it was personal. But as I look during the time,

1383
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 5: it wasn't funny to me. But now it's the funniest

1384
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 5: thing in the world because other people outside of me

1385
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 5: took it personal and I didn't have a record out,

1386
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 5: and I'm a slick talker man, Like you know you're

1387
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 5: gonna get at me. I'm a fine every way shape

1388
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 5: or form to get back. So if I do an

1389
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 5: interview and everybody else kick around, and I would say

1390
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 5: something and get on like I'm going, I was saying

1391
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 5: delicious stuff.

1392
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: So wow, I didn't catch that. It was it was

1393
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: just like random things like you know, dow here because

1394
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: I didn't have a thing to come back. So you

1395
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 2: know why you always come across from me as a

1396
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: person that's not bothering. I'm not. I'm not. What you

1397
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: just said comes shocking.

1398
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And what I was saying was not not

1399
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 5: in petty things. I'm always like tongue in cheek. I'm

1400
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 5: always going to crack a joke about it. I'm never

1401
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 5: gonna come at you from a point of anger at all.

1402
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 5: But at the same time as hip hop, so you know,

1403
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 5: you gotta like you gotta still stand up for yourself

1404
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 5: in some way shape or for him somebody's asking. But

1405
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 5: like I said, I never took it personal. It was

1406
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 5: always like I give you a perfect example. It was

1407
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,799
Speaker 5: a club in New York called Bentley's Bentley's.

1408
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: Remember okay, now it turned in the club Shadow because

1409
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: the whole school yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yea.

1410
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 5: So we would go to Bentley's every Thursday night. We'd

1411
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 5: be pulling up in Bentley's. So Biggie King the album

1412
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:57,560
Speaker 5: comes out, and I'm sitting and I'm talking to this

1413
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 5: girl this.

1414
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 2: After Biggie said the line, yeah, okay, well this is

1415
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: like right at the time, like just and I'm talking

1416
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 2: to this girl. This girl is bad.

1417
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 5: I'm trying to bag us. And then they throwing unbelievable

1418
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 5: and everybody's like and it's like people kind of hearing

1419
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 5: it for the first time. And then then the line

1420
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 5: comes on, played out like Quame and the Poconons, and

1421
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 5: then the DJ drop the music shouts to quamet.

1422
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, she gets up and I'm like worm running back.

1423
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: So it was always that, it wasn't and then and

1424
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 2: then there was a point where like I never ran

1425
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: into big until this one night. We we did Mad Wednesdays. Okay,

1426
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 2: Maria Davis. Davis was that in Mahas.

1427
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 5: So it was on seventy second Street in Amsterdam. The

1428
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 5: whole building ain't even there no more. Okay, So we

1429
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 5: do Mad Wednesdays, and I have a I have a

1430
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 5: record out at the time, I had an album that

1431
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,440
Speaker 5: came out maybe.

1432
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 2: A few months after Ready to Die. It's called Incognito.

1433
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 5: And that album, by the way, the album went triple

1434
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 5: styrofoam on the wall. So so I was doing like

1435
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 5: a performance that mad Wednesday sort of. When we walk in,

1436
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 5: the first person I see at the ball was Big.

1437
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, here we go with this ship.

1438
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: So I don't say nothing. You don't say nothing. We

1439
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: go into the day and I do my performance. We rock,

1440
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 2: you know, we did. We did well. And so Maria's like, well,

1441
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 2: you know, we got a little controversy in the building.

1442
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 2: You know that Biggie Small said something about you on

1443
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: the record. He's here, you here, y'all need to settle

1444
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: this beef. WHI ch'all want to do?

1445
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 5: So I had to dudes with me, this is the

1446
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 5: funniest shit ever. So she means, I don't know what

1447
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 5: she meant. Yeah, it was a whatever situation. So Big

1448
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 5: had his guys with him. I had like four guys

1449
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 5: with me. Now, y'all know my style. I'm not gonna

1450
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 5: be in the tyms and whatever. I'm in a hard

1451
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 5: bottoms in a tamn suit and a tie, looking like

1452
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 5: the insurance man. I was just on my my caple shit,

1453
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 5: looking like I don't know, Eddie Murphy and Boomerang or something.

1454
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: So I get off stage and like I said, I'm I'm.

1455
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 5: Five six, five six and a half at most, and

1456
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 5: I just remember Big walking up and him looking like

1457
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 5: he was nine hundred feet tall and he was rolling

1458
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 5: a blunt like this stick.

1459
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: He was just I saw. All I remember is the

1460
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 2: blunt and his mask coming at me, and he was like, Yo,

1461
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: what the fuck you want to do? And I'm like,

1462
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 2: what the fuck you want to do? So he just

1463
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: we're talking. It was actual smoke, like he was walking up.

1464
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 2: I was, and I was.

1465
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 5: I wasn't back down, But all I heard in the

1466
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 5: back of my mind was Michael Jackson Billy Jean, because

1467
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 5: every dude with me did the moon walk.

1468
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: Out the fucking I turned around. I'm like, I'm like,

1469
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 2: are you crazy? Now?

1470
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 5: I want to say I got to ask Sees when

1471
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 5: the next time I speak to him, But.

1472
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 2: I want to ask him if he was the one

1473
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 2: who stepped in between us, because I don't remember he

1474
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: stepped in between us, Like the fuck are y'all doing

1475
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 2: y'all bugging brother? And Biggie was like, yeah, you know,

1476
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: you're right, You're right, and I was like hey, but

1477
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not even mad at y'all, mad

1478
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: at them niggas, and I can't wait for skating out

1479
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: and so and then and then it turned into like,

1480
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: y'all not gonna be fighting up in the club. You're

1481
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 2: it's like nobody fighting that. No, no, no, big you

1482
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: leave out the front, come, you leave out the bat,

1483
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: you know. And so we had to leave the club

1484
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 2: and then that was it from there, And I think

1485
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 2: that was the most it ever anything. But I just

1486
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 2: felt like that night was so funny because I just

1487
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 2: didn't know my boys knew how to do the moon walk,

1488
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: and I never let them down for that. I'm like, yeo,

1489
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: which I couldn't. I couldn't fight in your hard bottoms?

1490
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 2: Then what's going on here?

1491
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 6: Do you feel that that line, that Bige line kind

1492
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 6: of like really put a stop to your.

1493
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: Career.

1494
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 5: It wasn't happening. This is nineteen ninety four. My last

1495
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 5: big record was maybe not.

1496
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 2: You felt like it was already whining down. Yeah, Like

1497
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: so it was like a nail in a coffin for

1498
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 2: that for that era.

1499
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 6: And that's that's what I was actually telling that to people.

1500
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,520
Speaker 6: I was like, I feel like that line was a nailing.

1501
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 2: The cuff into the whole era. Ye it was like

1502
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: the silky suit. That whole era was now something new.

1503
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 5: I called it the grimy nineties, grimy nineties already we're

1504
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 5: in here now and that smove early nineties eighty stuff.

1505
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 5: It's a different it's a different time. So that's why

1506
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 5: I said, I don't take it personal. I never took

1507
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 5: it personal, Like unbelievable. It was one of my favorite records,

1508
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 5: to be honest with you know what I'm saying, And

1509
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 5: I've told Premierre many things.

1510
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: I love that record.

1511
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 5: I hate that line, but but this but also what

1512
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 5: shows the respect that a lot of DJs had for me,

1513
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 5: because everywhere I went in the country, if that record

1514
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 5: will play, a.

1515
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 2: Lot of DJs would mute it. If I was there,

1516
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 2: they would at least be that respectful to do that. No,

1517
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: that was just that was just spin it back or

1518
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: just just mute it, or just whatever they would do.

1519
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 2: And you know, I respected that and after a while

1520
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 2: be like, looky, y'all not bothering me play the damn record.

1521
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 5: It's not like you put like you're going at me.

1522
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 5: So I understood that, and I understood what it really was.

1523
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 5: So I never really like, I never really took it

1524
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 5: any kind of way, you know, And I felt bad,

1525
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 5: you know, at his passing. I felt bad for his

1526
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 5: mom and his you know, his family and everything like that.

1527
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 5: So I was like, nah, man, I don't. I don't

1528
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 5: hold no kind of maliciousness to anybody.

1529
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 6: I definitely don't think he I don't. I mean from

1530
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 6: my I don't think he did it person.

1531
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 2: To be talk about this. I could have been anybody.

1532
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: I think it was a good verse on his part,

1533
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 2: like he just like this is funny.

1534
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 5: Nobody knew who I was, that line would have been

1535
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 5: trash right. If nobody brought into what I was doing

1536
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 5: and understood my impact at the time, that line would

1537
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 5: have made no sense to nobody. So I always think

1538
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 5: of things that flipping into the positive first, you know,

1539
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 5: before you know, you don't go off the rails first,

1540
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 5: you know, first one of the forty eight laws of power,

1541
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 5: like you don't somebody say something negative, whatever, you don't

1542
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 5: fly off, you know. So you know that's how I

1543
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 5: always look at it.

1544
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: It's like it is what us, but you know, as

1545
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: an outside of looking at it, as the inside of

1546
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: looking out. The two things about the Polka gass one,

1547
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 1: do you actually understand the pack of the pokons? Because

1548
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: it's a two part question, right one, At one point

1549
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: one everyone wore a pok do. Pokon is for everybody,

1550
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: but everybody's not for poka dots exactly. Everybody did not

1551
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 1: know how to pull off the right so but the

1552
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: thing was, it was it was a fat like no other.

1553
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling my my son today, like we're watching

1554
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: your interviews and I'm like, yo, you have no idea

1555
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: like like like like like, and then I can't even

1556
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: use example. I'm like, yo, I'm trying to say to

1557
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: him the throwbacks with jay Z And then I'm looking

1558
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 1: at my son and I'm like, that's not even a

1559
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: good example for him.

1560
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 2: I'm just so confused. But I should give him, like

1561
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: the Pousche heisty man, the.

1562
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: Person who lived in that era, did you understand how

1563
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: it influential you was with your attire that because that's

1564
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: the first time that me for me, that's the first

1565
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 1: time I see people wanting to dress like a rapper.

1566
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1567
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 5: So yeah, So for me, it was everything was by circumstance.

1568
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 5: So for example, with the polka dots. You take my

1569
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 5: first album cover, you flip flipped the album cover over,

1570
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 5: Boys Genans, You flip the album cover over. I have

1571
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 5: on this white shirt with black dots, of black tie

1572
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 5: with white dots, and if you could see my feet,

1573
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 5: I had on black socks with white dots, right, same outfit.

1574
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 5: When my first single was a record called The Man

1575
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 5: We All Know in Love, that same outfit is on

1576
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 5: the single cover because I shot it at the same time.

1577
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 5: My first video, that same outfit I used to look like.

1578
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 5: I had on some pajamas and a scene.

1579
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 2: So you take those, and that's because that was my

1580
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 2: favorite outfit. I didn't have.

1581
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 5: I ain't really had on money, Like my advance were small,

1582
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 5: like I spent money on them stupid chains, so that

1583
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 5: I never ended up wearing as an artist, and so

1584
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 5: people thought that's his thing, but it wasn't. You know,

1585
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 5: I like to dress up. I used to like the

1586
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 5: certain ties and you know that GQ look, but it

1587
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 5: wasn't a polka dot thing. The streak and the hair.

1588
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 5: I just had a regular flat top, And six hours

1589
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 5: before my first video, I was like, look, what if

1590
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 5: my record flops, what if my record don't play? What

1591
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 5: if nobody knows who I am? I want people to

1592
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 5: recognize me. Yo, let's throw a streak in the middle

1593
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 5: of the so you know, and cats. You know, I

1594
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 5: knew cats that were had blonde streaks and all this,

1595
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 5: like village cats and all that kind of stuff.

1596
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: They was doing that stuff.

1597
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 5: So I was like, yo, let's let me throw a

1598
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 5: streak up in my heir because at least they'll recognize me.

1599
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 5: If anything, you know, I don't know if I got

1600
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 5: no saying if the records are hit, So I show

1601
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 5: up to the video with that on, with the poko

1602
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 5: i thing on. And then when it was time to

1603
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 5: start doing shows, every city we would hit, it'd be

1604
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 5: a pocket of kids or the whole audience looking just

1605
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 5: like that.

1606
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 2: So the first show I did, I was like, Okay,

1607
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: somebody fucking with me.

1608
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 5: Somebody played a big plank because all these kids got

1609
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 5: on dots, got streaks up in their heads looking crazy.

1610
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 2: I'm like, there is no way.

1611
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 5: But then as we started hitting and it wasn't just

1612
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 5: a New York thing, it was a Pennsylvania thing, it was.

1613
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 2: A Virginia thing. Yeah. Man.

1614
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:19,839
Speaker 5: Then I was getting pictures and letters from Africa and US,

1615
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 5: like polka dot shirts, France and.

1616
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1617
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 5: I'm like, what Japanese kids like doing b boy posters

1618
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 5: with the polka dots and sending me letters in Japanese.

1619
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 2: I can't even read it, and I'm like word.

1620
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 5: And then another Will Smith moment, Will shout out to

1621
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 5: Charlie Mack, Who's who's Charlie called me from Morocco, Africa.

1622
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 5: He was like, yo, man, we up in this party

1623
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 5: and banging your records and all the kids got on

1624
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 5: polka dots.

1625
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 2: I was like, and I'm sitting here in Queens Like

1626
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 2: calling me from Africa telling me this. I was like,

1627
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: how much is this cool?

1628
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 5: This is nineteen eighty nine, Like this is not not

1629
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 5: an expended this is an expensive call. So that's when

1630
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 5: I started to understand that that impact. So I think

1631
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 5: by the time I put out my second album, A

1632
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 5: Day in the Life, we incorporated a lot of Polka

1633
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 5: dot stuff. And then it was so funny because there

1634
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 5: was a record on A Day in a Life call

1635
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 5: It's Okay and on, it's okay. I literally say that's it.

1636
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 5: I'm not doing this no more, no more pokadon stuff.

1637
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 5: So back to let's take it back to the biggie thing.

1638
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 5: So when he was like it's played out, I'm like, yeah,

1639
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 5: it's been playing I've been told you this like three

1640
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 5: years ago. So that's why I'm saying it's not it ain't.

1641
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: It ain't what it is, just just so you know,

1642
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: to tell you an impact. But we finally locked you

1643
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: in to say that we finally finally got you right.

1644
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 2: And I appreciate y'all. Let me come on, thank you

1645
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: for doing that.

1646
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 1: I set up with a group chat and we all

1647
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: have a group chat and I'll say, yo, listen, everybody

1648
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: go try to get poka dot. So this is how

1649
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: ill your impact is. And I didn't realize that everywhere

1650
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: we went it was sold out.

1651
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 2: Wow. We couldn't buy it had to take two days. Wow.

1652
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 2: Wow Wow. I just thought about that.

1653
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: It was like it was a message from God, because

1654
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: it's like it's like almost now we know you didn't

1655
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: of course in our community, right, like I ain't even don't,

1656
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: but I brung it to America, right, so they got

1657
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: to give me that boy in our community. Of course

1658
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: there's pokon dots that exists in other genres, but you

1659
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: and it just made me. It made me turn it

1660
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: all into business because I was just doing that.

1661
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 2: You wanted to be funny you walk here. Yeah, yeah,

1662
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: it killed me, kill me. And I was like, but

1663
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 2: it was literally like.

1664
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,799
Speaker 1: I kid you not like like but everything was sold

1665
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: out and it was a two day order, so we

1666
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: were ordered.

1667
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 2: It when it came on Thursday. You know, it's a

1668
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 2: two levels to it.

1669
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 5: I wish that I had somebody in my corner when

1670
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 5: I was sixteen seventeen that told me, like, take your money.

1671
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 5: The one good thing I did with my money was

1672
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 5: buy equipment. You know what I'm saying, because that turned

1673
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 5: me into what I ended up being later. Right, but

1674
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 5: take your money, find a way to make your own Polgoda.

1675
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: Shirts would have lasted oh your own version of my

1676
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 2: own line, and I would have been would have been yours. Yeah,

1677
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 2: I would have sold it. That shows I would have

1678
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 2: went up to Strawberries or Merry Go Round or whatever

1679
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 2: was selling whatever gap Yo girt like look going to

1680
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 2: going to coliseum and had my own center, or had

1681
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 2: I had a stand I know it's I know it's

1682
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 2: not open no more. But that's that's my era. You know,

1683
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 2: the Colosseum, that whole block is good.

1684
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: Oh yes, some face tim me from now, Like I mean,

1685
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't physically didn't physically fail her, like like just

1686
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: seeing that. Yeah, man, you know what's surviving, the beef,

1687
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: the the jerk chicken spot still standing strong.

1688
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 2: So good about that.

1689
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 5: Ahead continued, But I'm saying I could have had that

1690
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 5: if I would have had that business acumen back then,

1691
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 5: and they could have ended up getting played out, I

1692
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 5: could have I could have turned that into something else.

1693
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: I could have been, you know, I could be I

1694
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 2: don't know, yeah, whatever I could have.

1695
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 5: I could have been a major brand right now if

1696
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 5: I would have just started with that, you know, like

1697
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 5: how food Boo started with hats and then they turned

1698
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 5: into a major brand, and I could have sold it

1699
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 5: for seven hundred seven hundred million dollars or whatever.

1700
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 2: So I wish I would have That's my only industry regret.

1701
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 2: I have no other regrets but that. I wish I

1702
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: would have been able to figure that part out.

1703
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: So let me ask you again. So you talked about

1704
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: that one time you met bigs. Did you ever see

1705
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: Big again after that?

1706
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 2: Or that was yeah? Yeah, like like just in like parties. Yeah,

1707
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 2: And there was no smoke after that.

1708
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 5: We just did yeah, like I was you know, I

1709
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 5: could be there and talking to puffing and just me saying,

1710
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 5: they're giving me to look like.

1711
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: Right now, this is something I don't I'm not I'm

1712
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 1: not positively sure I'm correct with this information. But one

1713
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: I feel like only You was the start of hip hop,

1714
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: R and B collapsed, right, I feel like that was

1715
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: one of the originals of hip hop or R and

1716
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: B at least from from from from from my point

1717
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: of view. But I also remember me hearing only You

1718
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: what a version without you on it?

1719
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: No, it's never it wasn't. So so one day ever

1720
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 2: played like in.

1721
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: The daytime and like trying to cut rap out because

1722
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: I remember there was a rap like yeah, show said

1723
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 1: no rap, But I remember hearing that in the daytime

1724
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 1: with just a hook.

1725
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 2: If you heard that, I don't know anything about that, okay,

1726
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 2: So so for people that don't know, a lot of

1727
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 2: radio stations across this country have what they call a

1728
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 2: no wrap work day six A. You know, they called

1729
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: it rap rap crap, Yeah.

1730
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 5: Don't we not playing that rap crap rap crack if

1731
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 5: you don't want to hear that rap trap? Yeah during work,

1732
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 5: so terrible, terrible, Yeah, we are not playing rap. So

1733
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 5: from six crap Yeah, that rap crap.

1734
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 2: Don't forget the crap. Somebody Grandpap's made that one up.

1735
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:30,480
Speaker 2: So from six am.

1736
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 5: To six pm in some places, seven thirty in some places,

1737
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 5: and nine pm in a place, you're not hearing no rap.

1738
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 2: So two things happen with only you. One. I wanted

1739
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: the bag Vanessa Williams. You want how to be your

1740
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 2: sugar mom.

1741
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 5: I want her to be my mama, Mama, mama she was.

1742
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 5: I didn't know how, I didn't know how I was

1743
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 5: gonna do it, but I was gonna try to back.

1744
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 5: And so I wanted to make a record where she

1745
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 5: sang it and I featured. So I figured that the

1746
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 5: record It's Hot, and I featured. I meet her at

1747
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 5: the video and she would say, you don't got to

1748
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 5: go back to Queens, you can just come back with me.

1749
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 5: I'd be like, I bet.

1750
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 2: So that's the mind of a seventeen year old, So

1751
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm making on you for that.

1752
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 5: I didn't make the album, so I was like all right,

1753
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 5: let me just I'm gonna make it for myself and maybe,

1754
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 5: just maybe I can get a six o'clock in the

1755
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 5: morning play.

1756
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: I can get that daytime play. Wait, hold on talking

1757
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 2: about six o'clock in the morning.

1758
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 5: Was the ship, yeah, because you wake up and people

1759
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 5: were driving to work that drive time. The morning shows

1760
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 5: at this time not really, not really, no, I think

1761
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 5: about it now. It was just somebody playing, you know whatever,

1762
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 5: whoever the DJ was. The only people that have morning

1763
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 5: shows are like the white station's like don Imus and yeah,

1764
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 5: I like Donad's and Stern. I was staying on things

1765
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 5: like that. It was never a black He's the racist dude, right, yeah, yeah,

1766
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 5: I didn't.

1767
01:28:54,280 --> 01:29:04,560
Speaker 2: Think he's a man. So he called the girl. We remember.

1768
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 5: We walk around these tight cowboy pants and looking crazy.

1769
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 5: So I wanted to hear my record at six o'clock

1770
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 5: in the morning, like you know, any other artists would.

1771
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 5: And I think at the time, I'm not gonna call

1772
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 5: myself I invented it, but I helped push it because

1773
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 5: you had some heavy D records, probably playing some like

1774
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 5: Salt Pepper, Express Yourself, like those type of records they

1775
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 5: might have been playing.

1776
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 2: But I wanted a record that was equal R and B,

1777
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 2: equal hip hop.

1778
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 5: It could play in the club, it could play in

1779
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 5: the radio, and people it's not soft like if you

1780
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 5: listen to the owner, you beat, that's not a soft beat,

1781
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Like, I always try to

1782
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 5: go hard, like no matter what I'm you know what

1783
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 5: the beat is, I'm trying to give you know, give

1784
01:29:55,520 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 5: you some grit to it. So so I was able

1785
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 5: to achieve all of that. And but the wild thing is.

1786
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 2: I started to learn that the record labels was in

1787
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: cahoops with the records the radio stations on some no

1788
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 2: wrap stuff.

1789
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 5: Because I slid through the cracks with that one. But

1790
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 5: then my label, Atlantic Records started to now separate the rappers.

1791
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 2: We wasn't just on.

1792
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 5: Atlantic Records no more. They had to put a label

1793
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,799
Speaker 5: on all rap records and they called it Atlantic Street.

1794
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 2: No, No, the title of the label was they they

1795
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 2: took all the rap.

1796
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 5: Records off of Atlantic and put them on a label

1797
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 5: called Atlantic Street.

1798
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 2: This is what they were saying. Yeah, so they were stickers.

1799
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, So they was put these stickers on the record

1800
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 5: that said Street on it, and it had like some

1801
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:00,600
Speaker 5: corny dude doing like some weird, great dance move and

1802
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 5: so when the program directors will get these records, it

1803
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 5: was the signal, all right, this is what we don't

1804
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 5: play during the day. We'll just give it to the

1805
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 5: mix shows. But I'm like, yo, why are the labels

1806
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 5: even down with something like that? Y'all supposed to be

1807
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 5: trying to push this thing forward. So you know that

1808
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 5: was just my contribution to try to crack open that door,

1809
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 5: and which you did, so you know, you know I'll

1810
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 5: give I'll give credit to that.

1811
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: Right, So let me ask you a question right right now,

1812
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: they just announced that you know, Bad Bunny is hosting

1813
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: or the Super Bowl commercial Bad Bunny. Uh, this genre

1814
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: of music that comes from reggae, reggae for that part

1815
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: or that portion of it comes from that part of

1816
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: hip hop. Even know reggae it's probably even lasts as

1817
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: long as hip hop or just as long. So I

1818
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: want to ask you a biggie line. Did you ever

1819
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: think that hip hop would make it this far?

1820
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had this vision When I was a kid.

1821
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 5: I used to tell my friends, we're gonna get hip

1822
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 5: hop from other countries. We're gonna get hip hop from

1823
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 5: and so if it hasn't happened yet, because I'm still

1824
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 5: waiting for the hip hop record that super blows Up.

1825
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 5: That's just that everybody knows that isn't in English.

1826
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 2: Oh well that's bad Bunny. Yeah, but he means like more.

1827
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 2: You mean like more main like hip hop, like hip

1828
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 2: hop hip hop, because Bad Bunny, you different genre.

1829
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Adopted hip hop baby Yeah yeah yeah, so so that

1830
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 1: might come from Asia.

1831
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because you're doing with K

1832
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 2: pop now, Yeah, you do. You go to a K

1833
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 2: pop show? See dude, I said k pop? You don't

1834
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 2: remember you said it? Did it on a show?

1835
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 3: My daughter?

1836
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 2: Right now? Is all all about the K pop demon Hunters.

1837
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah man, it's like and they can a

1838
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 2: new ads, a cartoon. It's like a big kid cartoon.

1839
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 5: It was crazy going on. Yeah no, no, you K

1840
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,520
Speaker 5: pop like where I live in where I live in California.

1841
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 5: It sounds weird, but it's predominantly Korean and Chinese in

1842
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 5: my area. So every mall I go to, and it

1843
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 5: doesn't have to be my area. Every moll I go

1844
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 5: to every is what they call it's a store called

1845
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 5: K pop station, and every mall has like three of

1846
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 5: them joints in there and they packed like that that

1847
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 5: culture on our culture is real, Like it's some real stuff.

1848
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 5: I just feel like they may switch their groups out

1849
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 5: every of a week. It's like a whole new versus

1850
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 5: bt S and then it's like I don't know X

1851
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 5: y Z and I'm like.

1852
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 2: What he's got? But I influenced heavily. Yeah yeah, no, no, no.

1853
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 2: If you listen to like A or like the boy

1854
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 2: band stuff, like, it's very yeah, it's very very.

1855
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 5: Thousands vibe and they keep they know that aesthetic, they

1856
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 5: know that similarity, and they know what that vibe. There's

1857
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 5: like this girl k K pop rap group. I'm trying

1858
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 5: to remember the name, but like I see it on

1859
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 5: TikTok all the time of your girls spitting like straight

1860
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 5: spitting in English. But I don't think they know English.

1861
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 5: That's the weird thing. And they got they got it down.

1862
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, this, I gotta find I gotta find

1863
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 2: the name of that group. But but I think that.

1864
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 5: It definitely the hip hop vibe has definitely gone further

1865
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:38,560
Speaker 5: than what I what I imagine. And I love the

1866
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 5: fact that Bad Bunny is doing the super Bowl because

1867
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 5: you think about it any kind of Latin representation in

1868
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl has either been j low right, Glorious, Stefan,

1869
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 5: who else?

1870
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 2: Would you count Shakira for sure? So you that's it.

1871
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 2: That's all I can remember. Probably you know, Manula was

1872
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 2: in the eighties. I don't know they they never did

1873
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,600
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl. But but.

1874
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 5: Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't watch football.

1875
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 5: I call it foosball. I don't watch football like that.

1876
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 5: But correct me if I'm wrong. Every time, every time

1877
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 5: they've gone on the Super Bowl, maybe minus Glorious stuff,

1878
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 5: it's always been like a double up, like you got

1879
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 5: to bring them out or like one comes out and

1880
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 5: then like j Lo comes out, but she got to

1881
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 5: bring out Hero.

1882
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 2: You know. It's like it's never like somebody on there

1883
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 2: like doing doing the only one that I can even

1884
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 2: remember by himself like that. But could you bring out Drake? No, no,

1885
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 2: Kause you did it? Yeah, I don't remember d Yeah,

1886
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 2: Dre brought out kenderd But.

1887
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: Okay, but they had the record together, so she just

1888
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: did the hook on the right.

1889
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 6: But I mean yeah, but as his totality, it was

1890
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 6: like basically just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1891
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 5: And Samuel Jackson and Serena Williams. But but what I'm

1892
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 5: saying is for bad Bunny to be able to have

1893
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 5: it for him. Now, if he decides to bring people out,

1894
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 5: that's on him.

1895
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 2: But it's not. It's not an advertised adveratis. This is

1896
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 2: just him. Yeah, And.

1897
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 5: People, I'm going to just be a little bit knowledge

1898
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 5: dropping real quick. People's got to people have to understand something.

1899
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 5: Let's take it back to slavery. Let's take it just

1900
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 5: back to what's supposed to be black and not black,

1901
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:45,600
Speaker 5: and this, that and the third. When the enslaved Africans

1902
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 5: came over here about astually, how much percent do you

1903
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,759
Speaker 5: think came to the United States area this part of America?

1904
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 7: If you could guess the percentage of total enslaved people

1905
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 7: that came to the United States, thirty say thirty take

1906
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 7: your guess.

1907
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 6: Five.

1908
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 2: Wow, look at up, five percent of us came here.

1909
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 2: So the other ninety five percent Latin America, Latin America,

1910
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 2: Caribbean and.

1911
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 5: The Caribbean Brazil holds their highest amount of numbers of

1912
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 5: enslaved Africans that come here.

1913
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 2: So everywhere down.

1914
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 5: The African DNA is within all of us, you know,

1915
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 5: and then the colonizers DNA and and and and the

1916
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 5: native DNA. So I'm never gonna look at anybody from

1917
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 5: this side of the world funny style for doing their

1918
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 5: version of hip hop and taking their version of hip

1919
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 5: hop to another level, because we're all doing what we're

1920
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 5: So that's are that's our generational music.

1921
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 2: We may not know what, we may not understand it.

1922
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 5: We may think we're pulling from this, that and the third,

1923
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:12,719
Speaker 5: but we're pulling from a DNA strand that's that's longer

1924
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 5: than any of.

1925
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 2: Us can think of.

1926
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 5: And we're all putting our own stamp on it and

1927
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 5: changing it and adding to it, and whatever else you

1928
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 5: get from around the world is based on our influence

1929
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 5: that we have on around the world, you know.

1930
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 2: And so, like I said back to bad Bunny, you're like, yo,

1931
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 2: let's rock. Okay, you from this side of the world,

1932
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 2: and you're doing your thing, and and it's based in

1933
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 2: what we all do in love rock. Get on that

1934
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 2: stage and kill it.

1935
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,759
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that all of his songs

1936
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: has very little English as possible exactly.

1937
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1938
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:54,759
Speaker 6: Yeah. Apple is introducing their new I like their translation translation.

1939
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 6: I'm saying genius that they're the sponsor, and then they're introduced.

1940
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 2: He'll still be singing and Spanish. Wait wait, wait, how's

1941
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 2: this gonna work. He's gonna be on stage.

1942
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 1: They got Google goggles right now, they got a person

1943
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: could speak to you Google goggles.

1944
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they got the translations. What was

1945
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 2: his name? Show Speed.

1946
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,720
Speaker 1: I see him in China and as the lady was

1947
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: talking to him, he puts on the glasses.

1948
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it translates. You know.

1949
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 5: Let me tell yourself, the ladies, I'm gonna speak to

1950
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:28,600
Speaker 5: all the ladies. Y'all get your nails done at the

1951
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 5: at the Korean nail spots. And you hear them talking.

1952
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 5: You want to know what's going on.

1953
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 2: Just get the glasses, get the translators, and just sit

1954
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 2: sit back. Oh listen, bro, it's crazy. We're talking about

1955
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 2: this today. Homie and Mike. He called me accidentally on

1956
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 2: his phone. Yeah.

1957
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 6: I never even knew that there was an app for

1958
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 6: this or whatever the fuck he has on his phone.

1959
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 6: He's mumbling, he's talking, but he's he called me by accident. Yeah,

1960
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 6: so he's not talking to me. He's talking somewhere and

1961
01:39:56,080 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 6: I hear come with look and I'm like, the fuck.

1962
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 6: I hear him talking in English? Yeah, in the background

1963
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:06,639
Speaker 6: and there's a translator talking to me. Oh but okay, see,

1964
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 6: okay go and some cans, yeah forget, what the fuck

1965
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 6: I go? I was like, yo, what you gotta.

1966
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 2: Trans He said, yoh yeah, I have the translator app.

1967
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 6: When I called Puerto Rico, I don't speak Spanish, so

1968
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:16,879
Speaker 6: I called and I use the translator.

1969
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do it all the time. I know that

1970
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 2: shit existed. I do it all the time.

1971
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:23,679
Speaker 5: That my guy that fixes my computers and stuff, he's

1972
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:25,759
Speaker 5: from China, he don't know no English.

1973
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 2: I walk in with Google Translate.

1974
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 5: I say I need this hard drip blah blah blah,

1975
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 5: and I just show him, show him the words or

1976
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 5: sometimes they'll say it.

1977
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 2: But before I did that, I didn't know.

1978
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 5: And you know, like I think, especially black people, we

1979
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 5: think that somebody's always talking about us when he hears

1980
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 5: something in another language.

1981
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 2: Are they talking about us sometimes? But they might not be.

1982
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to test that out.

1983
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 5: I'm getting my hard drive fixed and the guys from

1984
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 5: China and they't chopping it up, and I'm like, oh,

1985
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 5: I know they talking about me.

1986
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 2: I put that Google Translate on and he was like, yeah,

1987
01:40:56,439 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 2: my sister's a whore. Shit. I was like, you don't

1988
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 2: under sound. I gotta talk some personal my sister. Man

1989
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 2: she came yo, man, I was, he was. He was

1990
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 2: going in on the system. The sister came in in

1991
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 2: the middle of the night. He knows she was smashing

1992
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 2: the dude next door. I was like, yeah, so you

1993
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:20,799
Speaker 2: know it's I think if you don't get.

1994
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 5: The Google Glasses of the Apple thing, at least get

1995
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 5: Google Translate on your phone, go into a space that

1996
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 5: you're not familiar with and just turn it on.

1997
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 2: You'll be surprised that what you you might hear somebody

1998
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 2: going in on you. You might not, but we need

1999
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 2: that formis to lead. When he announced this thing, hold

2000
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 2: on Flowers.

2001
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 1: Well, you know our show was about giving people they

2002
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: flowers while they could smell them. Yes, they thought what

2003
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 1: they could tell them, They thought what they can think

2004
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: of them. And he drinks while they.

2005
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 2: Can drink them, and this smoke while you can yes,

2006
01:41:53,240 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 2: and the smoke while you can't help that Snoop. Snoop said,

2007
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 2: it's better than the Grammy because it comes for your people.

2008
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 2: You see your watch, that's a beautiful watch me, Oh

2009
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 2: my god. The piano watch. Piano watch that's fine. I

2010
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 2: don't know what time it is. No, y'all people, y'all

2011
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 2: gonna be substitute drinkers, drinkers. Yes, what's happening. We're gonna

2012
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 2: play the drinking game.

2013
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there no first they're going I'm not want

2014
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 1: to I want one hundred percent.

2015
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 2: Thank you for that.

2016
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 5: I never I never received the grammy, so I'm not

2017
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 5: even changing, but I appreciate you.

2018
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 2: How this is going one hundred percent on the wall

2019
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:35,680
Speaker 2: so close to him like that, man, come on, he's

2020
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 2: gonna be a drinker. Okay, okay, So we're gonna play

2021
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:47,640
Speaker 2: that game. Yeah, yes, yes, god, guy, let's go. Let's go,

2022
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 2: my man. Oh yeah, sat game. So that's that's my boy.

2023
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 2: That that he said he went to gold up. Man

2024
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 2: it up with your brother. Yeah yeah, the government. Well

2025
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,800
Speaker 2: that's good, it's good. You know, I don't know, I

2026
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:17,600
Speaker 2: don't know if you know. Names no longer with us,

2027
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 2: but you know, man, that my brother. Yeah yeah, did

2028
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,719
Speaker 2: you know that? Yeah, I'm almost of the roofs.

2029
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, he's not gonna have to drink, so yeah,

2030
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 6: but you have to just need a drink. This is

2031
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 6: this is our drinking game. We're gonna give you two choices. Yeah,

2032
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 6: if you pick one, nobody drinks. If you can't pick

2033
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 6: like you you say both, you say neither of them.

2034
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 2: We all drink. Well, you don't drink your this is

2035
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 2: you right there? Nor is good? Doesn't drink over? Can

2036
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 2: you hold it? Man? I don't, but hold on? What

2037
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 2: are you drinking? And can you drinking all the wrong ship? Alright? Cool? Cool,

2038
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 2: You explained a lot better than that.

2039
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 6: But the main thing about this game is whatever we're

2040
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 6: bringing up things that we just want you to bring up,

2041
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 6: any story, anything that you know encourages you to bring

2042
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:13,600
Speaker 6: up a story or.

2043
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 2: Or mention something about something you know. So you ready, yep,

2044
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 2: NAS or l L. Nothing nothing against NADS. But I

2045
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 2: gotta go with l L for for.

2046
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 5: A lot of reasons because NAS NAS took the queen ship,

2047
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 5: yes into orbit or out of orbit. For l L

2048
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 5: put that queen ship into orbit. Starts between L and

2049
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,719
Speaker 5: so I got I always got it. Like my first

2050
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 5: the first time I ever saw l LL, I was

2051
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,959
Speaker 5: in high school. I was cutting class and my schools

2052
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 5: around the corner from Fifth Avenue and that diamond shop

2053
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,719
Speaker 5: Van Cleef and Arpels. Like anybody go to Van cleefand

2054
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 5: all pells you spending money. It ain't it ain't nothing.

2055
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 5: It ain't Canal Street Diamonds. That's some other ship. So

2056
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 5: I'm stilling. Yep, I'm standing in front of Van Cleef

2057
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 5: and ll pels me and my boys, and this red

2058
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 5: audi pulls up like it was in slow motion like

2059
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 5: in a movie. Then the doors open up like in

2060
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 5: a movie, and then all the sweed smoke comes out.

2061
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,559
Speaker 5: And then first it was E Love, el El's boy

2062
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 5: that he came out one side was like shit, e Love,

2063
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 5: and then slowly came out the driver.

2064
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 2: See it comes l big chains and everything, and we're

2065
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 2: standing there like kids, like oh shit, and you know

2066
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 2: he gives up. They're like what up, little dudes, And

2067
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:48,880
Speaker 2: it just goes into the vanklet and I was like, yo,

2068
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 2: that ship is a rap star. That is a star.

2069
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 2: This is this is I need love LLL. I'm bad L.

2070
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 2: You know you see that pull up. You're not gonna

2071
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, na, this is another level. But LL is

2072
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 2: that first? Like superstarted from Queens. Yeah yeah, wait, you're

2073
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:19,560
Speaker 2: not supposed to drink. No drink anyways, he volunteered for

2074
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 2: the job or lost Boys. Oh man, Queens Queens Queens

2075
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 2: Queens Queens. So Frederie used to be my barber. I

2076
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 2: heard that and he had dreads back then. Yep, your

2077
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 2: barber when you had the Heights of Faide FREDROI was

2078
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 2: my barber. Sticky was in school with me, freaky tief.

2079
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken piece live right because I used to

2080
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 2: live in the South Side too. Oh wow.

2081
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 5: I moved around a lot, so I think ty. I

2082
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:55,719
Speaker 5: used to live right behind Baisley, so I think Holly

2083
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 5: close to me. I would see him all the time.

2084
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 5: Me and mister Cheeks have the same day, wow, on

2085
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,719
Speaker 5: the same year. So y'all gonna have to drink Okay.

2086
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's cheers. Knew I knew that. I knew

2087
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 2: that was going get me describing both of you. I can't,

2088
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,760
Speaker 2: I can't do it, okay, beating nuts so kidn't play?

2089
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 2: How are you gonna put them to again? These guys?

2090
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: That makes the questions the Colombian and Dominican. It's the

2091
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 1: cocaine section over there.

2092
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I gotta I have to put

2093
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 2: it to kids and play.

2094
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 5: They're they're like my my o gs, you know, like

2095
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 5: I meet betnuts after the fact, and I love all

2096
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,760
Speaker 5: the beat nuts suff shouts the least juju. I love

2097
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 5: that stuff. But if it weren't for Kidd and play A,

2098
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have been on that n w A tour

2099
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 5: because they were on the tour first. And it's like, well,

2100
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:48,640
Speaker 5: you gotta bring kwalm.

2101
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

2102
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 5: The first film I was in, well, the only film

2103
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:59,679
Speaker 5: I was in was this movie called Class Act.

2104
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had a.

2105
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 5: I was supposed to be one of the lead parts

2106
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 5: in the in the film, but then I got beat

2107
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 5: out by this guy, by the comedian.

2108
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 2: Dougie d Dougie Dougie Dog Dougie doug But I still.

2109
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 5: They still, you know, they insisted that I at least

2110
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 5: have a part in the movie, so I got given

2111
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 5: to the Kid and play Man.

2112
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 2: Those are my Those are like my big brothers. Speak

2113
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 2: to them almost every day. So it's like, yeah, shout

2114
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 2: out to them, shout out to both, but shout outs.

2115
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 1: To be nuts for sure, for sure, Eric B or

2116
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 1: Coogie or Garry being rock Kim DJs for Oho, oh man, we'll.

2117
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Give you a story. Yes please, that's why we do this.

2118
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 2: DJ Polo knocks on my door, open the door, said,

2119
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 2: I got my friend with me. We're gonna hang out.

2120
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:00,600
Speaker 2: So incomes and let's see if you know who this

2121
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 2: guy is. So in comes through my door. Ron Jeremy,

2122
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 2: the porn guy. I just saw something about he's an

2123
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 2: extraded So Jeremy Jeremy walks into my house with DJ Polo.

2124
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 2: I did not put this together. This is the weird

2125
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 2: sh and he was like, yo, you want to hang out?

2126
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 2: And I was like, hang out? Where ware y'are two going?

2127
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 2: He said, you already knew who Ron Jeremy was. Yeah,

2128
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 2: who didn't know Ron from the nineties. I mean, Sonny

2129
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 2: definitely knew who he was.

2130
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 6: I would have pulled up and didn't even saying like

2131
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:41,679
Speaker 6: this is you said, I would have pulled out.

2132
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 2: I would have pulled up wherever where we're run going,

2133
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 2: you're pulling out.

2134
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 5: So he was, and he was like, Paulo was like

2135
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 5: recipes in my bro Polo. Paulo was like, here's my boy, Ronnie.

2136
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 5: We're about to go out, and I'm like, all right, Ronnie.

2137
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:01,479
Speaker 5: So we get in the car are and we started

2138
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 5: going to party after party, and every party we went

2139
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 5: to it.

2140
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 2: Was like the porno Hall of Fame. Man, and I'm

2141
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:13,640
Speaker 2: just sitting there like, oh, that's homegirl, that's homegirl, and

2142
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 2: like we were just going to like the wildest one

2143
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 2: stars I personally, but you yourself. We didn't say.

2144
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 8: And if y'all knowing Jeremy was, you don't know what

2145
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 8: he did? Yes, I need to look that party and

2146
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 8: y'all still know who he was at Yeah, hey lady soe,

2147
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 8: So then you know we it was just a wild night.

2148
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:53,680
Speaker 8: But Polo was that type of guy that he was

2149
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:55,800
Speaker 8: just he was just a funny guy.

2150
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:57,559
Speaker 2: Man. It was just a cool guy to hang out.

2151
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 2: He on the other and he's just like mass serious

2152
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 2: man likes you don't if you don't know Eric, you

2153
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 2: don't know what you're about to get.

2154
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:12,639
Speaker 5: And the crew around Eric, you know, if you don't

2155
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 5: know these guys, it's like, you know, it might be

2156
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:17,679
Speaker 5: snakes on a plane.

2157
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:21,479
Speaker 2: You don't know what's gonna happen. So y'all gonna have

2158
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 2: to take a drink because Okay, now rock him or

2159
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 2: Coolgie Rap? Couldie Rapp? Okay said that fast? Okay, Well

2160
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 2: I bet you rob him? Even say Coolie Rap? Pretty sure? Okay,

2161
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:40,599
Speaker 2: pretty sure? Because g Rap.

2162
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 5: I think g Rapp is probably, if not the greatest

2163
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 5: rapper I've ever heard, one of the top three ever ever,

2164
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 5: like ever, ever, ever, ever, Like I remember you probably

2165
01:51:58,400 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 5: remember the United States of America.

2166
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 2: We'll say this roller Rink and queens, and I remember

2167
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 2: going to.

2168
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 5: I remember because he's from around my wife, so you know,

2169
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 5: we all know the same people and all this stuff.

2170
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 2: And I remember she was performing. He had a record out,

2171
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 2: I'm Fly and it's a demo. It's a demo. Changed

2172
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 2: my life, those two records.

2173
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 5: So if anybody doesn't know about USA roller Rink, that's

2174
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 5: where I got my start. Me master A's father mc

2175
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 5: s we got our start there, like on rap battles

2176
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 5: and contests and all those kinds of queens.

2177
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, now from.

2178
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:46,040
Speaker 5: Just so, but every Sunday night, anybody would perform there,

2179
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 5: like anybody one DMC madonna New Edition. Could you wrap

2180
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 5: DJ Polo, every brack can Every Sunday night, you catching

2181
01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:59,840
Speaker 5: somebody if you're able to survive that Sunday night, because

2182
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 5: it was all survival in there, you you might not

2183
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 5: make it out.

2184
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 2: A lot of cocaine, a lot of bullets, a lot

2185
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 2: of a lot of knives.

2186
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 5: Don't let don't let like that, crew ball Busters, Crew

2187
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,639
Speaker 5: come through with the zoo will be there like there's

2188
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 5: some other other ship.

2189
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 2: So ball it was a crew called the ball Bus.

2190
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 2: I was just playing it was the name of the crew.

2191
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 2: So back then they wasn't thinking it wasn't on our

2192
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,280
Speaker 2: wave plane. Yeah, there was no pauses. They were they're

2193
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 2: coming with the ball buses. Pause, boy, change the name.

2194
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 2: So so you have she gets on stage.

2195
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 5: Before she gets on safe, all these girls are around,

2196
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 5: and I remember hearing these girls from around the way.

2197
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't know who he think he is.

2198
01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 2: Used to call him Abdual Back then, I don't know

2199
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 2: abdu think he is.

2200
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:01,840
Speaker 6: He ain't.

2201
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 2: He ain't even that fly. I would never don't. I

2202
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:06,840
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't I ain't even working with him.

2203
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:09,720
Speaker 5: So he gets on stage and had on his leather

2204
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 5: leather suit and he starts doing I'm Fly and he's rhyming,

2205
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,160
Speaker 5: and the girls is just like sitting there like.

2206
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 2: And he's handing the girl's roses while he's rapping.

2207
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 5: And then he goes into giving it's a demo, and

2208
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 5: he pulls out nots of money.

2209
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 2: He starts throwing it in the cloud, and all I

2210
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 2: remember is the girls going, oh, I'm going to fuck him.

2211
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to fuck him. I'm like, yo, I'm like, gee, Rapp,

2212
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

2213
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 5: So that was one of my first interests of seeing

2214
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 5: how people act to somebody who who who's a superstar

2215
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 5: or who's becoming a rap star.

2216
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 2: And I think ge style.

2217
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 5: Between Rock, Kim, Kane, and Giva I called him the

2218
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 5: Three Horsemen their styles into wolf and they created what

2219
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 5: we considered modern lyricist raps. But I know for a

2220
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 5: fact talking about him talking to Kane, I know for

2221
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 5: a fact that everybody watched Grapp.

2222
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:25,960
Speaker 2: G rap spit a rhyme.

2223
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 5: Somebody's gonna be like, oh, I gotta get a better

2224
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 5: rhyme than that, because g Baptists came through, you know so,

2225
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:36,160
Speaker 5: and one of the greatest records to me pull it

2226
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 5: up is over the Big Daddy came Robby's Kane and

2227
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 5: g rapped back to back, going back to back. Probably

2228
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 5: g raps rhyme is probably one of the best rhymes ever.

2229
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 5: You know, he goes in, so I'm gonna have to

2230
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna I'm automatically and he's from Queens, He's

2231
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:56,960
Speaker 5: from around my way, So I'm.

2232
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:58,480
Speaker 2: Gone with no disrespect to Rob Kim.

2233
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 5: I wrote, I love rock him right there next to

2234
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 5: the grapp but I gotta go with you at first, but.

2235
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 2: JA can ring too. Run DMC or APM D oh

2236
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 2: see EPM D I love because how Eric.

2237
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:24,280
Speaker 5: Was making those I love Eric Sermon as a producer

2238
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 5: like I love him as a producer, and I love

2239
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 5: that vibe that they would bring him. But I'm always

2240
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:37,480
Speaker 5: going to give it to run DMC over everybody. You

2241
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 5: could say, run DMC and running m C and running

2242
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 5: It's always going to be run DMC because without run DMC,

2243
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 5: wouldn't We would have never had no MTV play. We

2244
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:51,520
Speaker 5: would have never been outside of New York. We would

2245
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 5: have never had clothing endorsements. We would have never spent

2246
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 5: all our moneys at Benny's.

2247
01:56:57,600 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 2: And Coliseum on fat rope chains anti Yeah, exactlyt Yeah,

2248
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:06,680
Speaker 2: we would have the bubble Gooses with the V's, the

2249
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:11,120
Speaker 2: the Cagos, the Gazelles.

2250
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 5: They they took hip hop out of looking like earth

2251
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 5: winding fire. Think about it, and there's no dis to Yeah,

2252
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 5: they had to dress like what they saw.

2253
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2254
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:34,120
Speaker 5: Other artists at the time, like disco artists, funk artists,

2255
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 5: they figured if we dress like that, we will be accepted.

2256
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 2: We're running them. See what the first people belay. We

2257
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 2: don't need to be Yeah, we don't need to be accepted,

2258
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 2: We just need to be respected. You understand what I'm saying.

2259
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,560
Speaker 2: So they came through and they said, you don't gotta

2260
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 2: like us, forgive us respect, you know what I'm saying.

2261
01:57:56,480 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 5: So always running them, seat always and I And I'm

2262
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 5: gonna look at any rapper, anybody who knows hip hop

2263
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:08,760
Speaker 5: is about a hip hop that won't say run DMC first.

2264
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm looking at y'all go crazy.

2265
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:13,400
Speaker 5: Somebody else could be your favorite group personally, but you

2266
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 5: but you gotta yeah, you gotta give it. I'm talking

2267
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 5: about to this day. To this day, I wish I

2268
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 5: wish you could be on a stage because it's a

2269
01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:29,680
Speaker 5: rare thing now and watch Run and d come out

2270
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:30,960
Speaker 5: and perform.

2271
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 2: Like right now.

2272
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:35,680
Speaker 5: The looks on people's faces from the artists, like every

2273
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:37,560
Speaker 5: artist on the show will pile up on the side

2274
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:38,200
Speaker 5: of the stage.

2275
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 2: Like shit, you know what I'm saying.

2276
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:44,800
Speaker 5: Grown up kids, they'd be in an audience like they're

2277
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,680
Speaker 5: like mega rock stars when they decide to get together

2278
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,360
Speaker 5: and do like once every five years or whatever, they'll

2279
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:53,400
Speaker 5: do it, and I respect the fact that there's no

2280
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 5: more run DMC without a jam master Jay.

2281
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they don't kind of do shows.

2282
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 1: At first, I used to hurt me, but you know

2283
01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:01,800
Speaker 1: I got to see them somewhat on the rock stadium.

2284
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, they went together. But I do kind

2285
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 2: of like fail them both where you know, there's kind.

2286
01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: Of a lot of DJ that can replace jam messages. Yeah, man,

2287
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:12,480
Speaker 1: I failed them, but I do want to see them

2288
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 1: together on more hours. The next one, large pro q ten.

2289
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 2: Damn man, y'all gonna have to drink, man, But let

2290
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:25,320
Speaker 2: me break that down.

2291
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 5: Then Large Pro, especially being from from pretty much the neighborhood,

2292
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 5: I think Large Pro helped the usher in an era

2293
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 5: where the beats were like there was no more water

2294
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,320
Speaker 5: down beats, you know what I'm saying.

2295
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:58,440
Speaker 2: It was like main source, main sauce was ship, you

2296
01:59:58,480 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

2297
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 5: And then you had, you know, from from the NAS

2298
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:06,240
Speaker 5: album to just different things that he was doing, Like

2299
02:00:06,360 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 5: you had to respect like he was he was mastering

2300
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:12,320
Speaker 5: a SB twelve hundred man. And but then I look

2301
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:16,800
Speaker 5: at Tip. What I what I admired the most about

2302
02:00:16,920 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 5: Tip is Tip was is a master producer. But when

2303
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:25,880
Speaker 5: he was doing the Tribe album, he never made it

2304
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:29,400
Speaker 5: about him producing the stuff. It always said produced by

2305
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 5: Tribe called Quest. So you didn't think Tip was that

2306
02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:36,720
Speaker 5: master producer until he started doing like you know, we

2307
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:41,760
Speaker 5: thought yeah right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, and Ali was

2308
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 5: doing this thing too, but but I'm saying, and Ali

2309
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:46,680
Speaker 5: snow doesn't Yeah.

2310
02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, we thought he was just an MC. Yeah.

2311
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:52,360
Speaker 5: And so so when Tip started doing like cookling Dodgers

2312
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:54,760
Speaker 5: and nas and and all the other stuff, You're like, yeao,

2313
02:00:55,000 --> 02:01:01,200
Speaker 5: hold up here, and and it's just like, I just

2314
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:07,640
Speaker 5: think both both have a framework that's just amazing. And

2315
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:09,480
Speaker 5: I could I can't put one over the over.

2316
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:18,760
Speaker 2: Drink drink drink salut Pete Rock or per Man.

2317
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 5: Oh I won't drink to that one too was out

2318
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:27,400
Speaker 5: the way because Pete. What I love about Pete Rock.

2319
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:32,240
Speaker 5: First of all, me and him love comic book So

2320
02:01:32,360 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 5: when we talk, we only talk about the whole. Yeah,

2321
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:39,760
Speaker 5: we boths and toys. Yeah, so we collect comic books.

2322
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:47,440
Speaker 5: So so we have that in common. But Pete's a

2323
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 5: master at the soul and the jazz, the obscure soul

2324
02:01:52,040 --> 02:01:55,960
Speaker 5: and jazz sample, I don't think nobody can do okay,

2325
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:59,320
Speaker 5: and I can get technical right now, the what they

2326
02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:02,000
Speaker 5: call filter rank where you filter out the temple and

2327
02:02:02,120 --> 02:02:04,240
Speaker 5: you just hit a baseline. And that was some real

2328
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:10,640
Speaker 5: like like you listen to Troy or or like King

2329
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:14,120
Speaker 5: King of Rock up down with the King Remix or

2330
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:20,000
Speaker 5: just certain certain records his When you listen to his production,

2331
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:22,680
Speaker 5: it's like you're looking into the ocean. Man, It's like

2332
02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 5: some deep shit. It's like it's layers to it. And

2333
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:31,720
Speaker 5: I love Pete for that. Primo is the chop king,

2334
02:02:33,160 --> 02:02:36,200
Speaker 5: the king, like you will never be able to chop

2335
02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:40,640
Speaker 5: like Primo, and yeah that and like he finds these

2336
02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:45,040
Speaker 5: chops and and I love Primo for it because that's

2337
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:48,440
Speaker 5: how when I was producing my first album, that's what

2338
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:50,360
Speaker 5: I was doing, Like nobody was really chopping like that.

2339
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:53,560
Speaker 5: So like records like the Rhythm and other records, I

2340
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:56,640
Speaker 5: was doing the chops, but Primo was taking it, took

2341
02:02:56,680 --> 02:03:00,920
Speaker 5: it to a whole other level and just took one

2342
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:04,120
Speaker 5: sound and tuned it and chopped it and made it

2343
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:05,520
Speaker 5: a thing like.

2344
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:13,839
Speaker 2: What's the kicking the door? For example, pump that joint.

2345
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:15,680
Speaker 5: Is I put a spell on you and you listen

2346
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:18,040
Speaker 5: to the record, it's like a nice bounce to it.

2347
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:21,600
Speaker 5: But the way he took those different stabs, and then

2348
02:03:21,960 --> 02:03:24,440
Speaker 5: it's all about the beasts that he programmed under it.

2349
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:28,000
Speaker 5: And what I loved about Primo is he never let up.

2350
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:33,680
Speaker 5: He never conformed to new equipment. He stayed on his MP,

2351
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:36,480
Speaker 5: stayed on it, but his nine fifty. And that's what

2352
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:39,960
Speaker 5: gave it the grit. As other like new machines started

2353
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 5: coming out, prem always stuck to that, so preame and.

2354
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:49,880
Speaker 2: Pete apples and oranges. Pream got that grit. He got

2355
02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:53,120
Speaker 2: that depth. So I can never put anything up against

2356
02:03:53,160 --> 02:04:01,680
Speaker 2: each other. Okay, here we did analog or digital.

2357
02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 5: Analog, then you switch it to digital because you think

2358
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:09,120
Speaker 5: about this, you know, for those that don't understand the

2359
02:04:09,160 --> 02:04:11,560
Speaker 5: analog or digital, A lot of people from this Jenner

2360
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:15,040
Speaker 5: for the last two generations only no digital. You know,

2361
02:04:15,240 --> 02:04:17,280
Speaker 5: a CD if that's the oldest thing you may know

2362
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:19,480
Speaker 5: as a CD. Now you know what you hear on

2363
02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:22,560
Speaker 5: your phone and now you got things like looseless and

2364
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:24,800
Speaker 5: atmost and all this other stuff that's supposed to make

2365
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:29,120
Speaker 5: your stuff sound crispy and nice. But from my era

2366
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:33,720
Speaker 5: and back then, we had to we were recording the tape.

2367
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:38,960
Speaker 5: The tape makes, for lack of a better term, the

2368
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:43,400
Speaker 5: tape makes the sound thicker. That eighto weight is going

2369
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:46,440
Speaker 5: to punch you in your whole chest and crack you

2370
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:50,440
Speaker 5: in half. Because that analog sound, there's a beef to it,

2371
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:57,920
Speaker 5: and like analog equalizers and different controllers, there's like a

2372
02:04:58,040 --> 02:05:03,160
Speaker 5: knock that you cannot replace with digital. Also, there's and

2373
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:06,560
Speaker 5: I'm getting kind of technical, if you play a record

2374
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:09,240
Speaker 5: and you play a CD playing back to back, the

2375
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:13,960
Speaker 5: record sounds stronger, The record sounds thicker, there's a depth to.

2376
02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:15,080
Speaker 3: It, and.

2377
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:20,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like it's Christmas nice. It's like, yeah, think

2378
02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:22,640
Speaker 5: about what the CD is. The CD was created for

2379
02:05:22,720 --> 02:05:30,040
Speaker 5: classical music. The very first CD record it was either

2380
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:32,680
Speaker 5: it was definitely a classical record. And then the very

2381
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:36,240
Speaker 5: first pop CD record was like an Elton a Billie

2382
02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:39,600
Speaker 5: Joel record and the only soul in Japan because they

2383
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:41,480
Speaker 5: wanted it was that was their technology.

2384
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:45,600
Speaker 2: It was never intended for hip hop at all at first.

2385
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:51,720
Speaker 2: So you have that. But the analog there's an there's

2386
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:54,560
Speaker 2: a hiss in the analog. There's a noise that most

2387
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:57,920
Speaker 2: ears will never hear, but it makes it. It gives

2388
02:05:57,960 --> 02:05:58,600
Speaker 2: it a different thing.

2389
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:01,320
Speaker 5: So I'm always gonna go with animal log and I

2390
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:03,040
Speaker 5: know I'm getting super technical on everybody.

2391
02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:05,320
Speaker 2: No, He's like, just got hurry up.

2392
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:10,920
Speaker 5: What I like to do is I try to do

2393
02:06:11,040 --> 02:06:15,440
Speaker 5: as much analog as I can, or as much low

2394
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:19,440
Speaker 5: level digital as I can, and then transfer it to digital,

2395
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:21,880
Speaker 5: so at least I have some of that wear and

2396
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:23,200
Speaker 5: what I what I'm producing.

2397
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:25,640
Speaker 6: That We had Quick on the show and he and well,

2398
02:06:25,720 --> 02:06:27,120
Speaker 6: I don't think he said it on the show, but

2399
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:31,360
Speaker 6: I've heard him say before that analog absorbs the energy

2400
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:31,800
Speaker 6: in the room.

2401
02:06:31,960 --> 02:06:34,839
Speaker 2: Yes, and that cannot be replaced with digital.

2402
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:37,960
Speaker 5: Quickest, hands down one of the greatest producers ever. Like

2403
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 5: I remember being in the studio back working on something

2404
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:45,520
Speaker 5: for jay Z and Quick was in there. He was

2405
02:06:45,600 --> 02:06:47,800
Speaker 5: doing I don't know if this record ever came out,

2406
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:51,720
Speaker 5: but he redid a Madonna record Justify My Love, and

2407
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:54,800
Speaker 5: he did a jay Z record called Justify My Thug.

2408
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:57,600
Speaker 5: I think it's called I don't know if if it

2409
02:06:57,680 --> 02:07:01,240
Speaker 5: ever came out. It is on the back elbm Okay.

2410
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:04,120
Speaker 5: So Quick was working on the record at the time

2411
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:06,680
Speaker 5: and I was watching him how he was laying down

2412
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:09,360
Speaker 5: his stuff and he was like laying like three snaires

2413
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:11,440
Speaker 5: at a time, four kicks at a time.

2414
02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:12,920
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, what the hell you doing?

2415
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:15,680
Speaker 5: He's like, Yo, I gotta I gotta make it feel

2416
02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:18,760
Speaker 5: like analog, So I gotta like double and triple it

2417
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:20,720
Speaker 5: up so it could just punch people in the face.

2418
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:24,400
Speaker 2: And I never could. I know that.

2419
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:27,240
Speaker 5: I mastered a lot of things, but I'm always a student,

2420
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:31,160
Speaker 5: So I'll sit back in any producer session and just pete.

2421
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:33,560
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna jack them for this stuff, but I'm

2422
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:36,200
Speaker 5: a peep how they get down. And I really admired

2423
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:40,320
Speaker 5: how quick was on his game like that, like he's

2424
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:41,240
Speaker 5: always on his game.

2425
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:45,000
Speaker 2: So did we have to drink to that or did

2426
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:52,200
Speaker 2: we not? No? I said, Okay, Mike Geronimo or World

2427
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:54,280
Speaker 2: Flush and you, oh, you killing me.

2428
02:07:54,640 --> 02:08:04,440
Speaker 5: They're gonna drink because I think they both represent between

2429
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:16,040
Speaker 5: they both present. They represent Flushing queens and Flushing. When

2430
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:19,840
Speaker 5: I was growing up, Flushing was half.

2431
02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:22,560
Speaker 2: Black. No, no, no, no.

2432
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:25,040
Speaker 5: When I was like when I was a little kid,

2433
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:32,440
Speaker 5: Flushing was half black, half Italian. Okay, they call it

2434
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:37,200
Speaker 5: white flight. Italians moved out the you know, blacks moved

2435
02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:40,840
Speaker 5: in a little bit more, but then out of.

2436
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:50,280
Speaker 2: Definitely Haitian, Jamaicans, we were all in it together. And then.

2437
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:56,600
Speaker 5: Started you started seeing it in spurts, Chinese, Korean. But

2438
02:08:56,760 --> 02:08:59,760
Speaker 5: that wave got bigger and bigger and bigger.

2439
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:03,360
Speaker 2: So by the time the nineties came, what you thought

2440
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:08,120
Speaker 2: was a black neighborhood or predominantly black neighborhood.

2441
02:09:08,120 --> 02:09:11,680
Speaker 5: I'm talking about perfect example, Bland Projects. You go up

2442
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 5: in the Bland Projects in the eighties, it's black. You

2443
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:19,280
Speaker 5: go there right now, all Chinese, all like you never.

2444
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:22,840
Speaker 2: Think of Main Street period. Yeah, Main Street going in

2445
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:26,000
Speaker 2: from Roosevelt going into to Main Street. Chinese food in

2446
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:31,640
Speaker 2: the world, Main Street, and and that Roger Yeah, y yeah,

2447
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:35,960
Speaker 2: it's kind of like they got places. That's nice out there. Yeah,

2448
02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:38,640
Speaker 2: they got places. So you have you have the Bland,

2449
02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:41,520
Speaker 2: you have Pomanac, you have what's the co Street from

2450
02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:46,320
Speaker 2: the name of the three projects forgot. Yeah.

2451
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:49,440
Speaker 5: But but when I was a kid, it was predominantly black,

2452
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:53,160
Speaker 5: and now it's predominantly Asian and and and the community

2453
02:09:53,240 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 5: is so different.

2454
02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:56,680
Speaker 2: Once that busy Bee Mall Cane, you know, busy Bee

2455
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:57,640
Speaker 2: Mares on.

2456
02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:03,080
Speaker 5: Main Once that came, you started to see you it

2457
02:10:03,240 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 5: was like a gentrification of a neighborhood. And now you

2458
02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:09,040
Speaker 5: go into that. If I knocked every one of y'all

2459
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:11,440
Speaker 5: out and I drop y'all in the middle of Flushing Queens,

2460
02:10:12,280 --> 02:10:14,960
Speaker 5: you would think you were in Hong Kong somewhere like

2461
02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:19,720
Speaker 5: no lot, because every sign is in Chinese, the signs,

2462
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:24,440
Speaker 5: all the signs of every sign, all the stores, no way,

2463
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:29,080
Speaker 5: the police, yeah, the police officers everything.

2464
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they were neighborhood. Yeah.

2465
02:10:37,160 --> 02:10:39,280
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know if it's racist. I'm not

2466
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:41,120
Speaker 5: going to say call it racist at all. It's just

2467
02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:43,760
Speaker 5: a culture. It's a different culture.

2468
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:45,520
Speaker 1: And when they moved to like you know what I mean,

2469
02:10:45,600 --> 02:10:48,920
Speaker 1: and then they so if it's like you always use Haitians,

2470
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:51,160
Speaker 1: so it's like just supposed a bunch of Haitians move there,

2471
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:51,880
Speaker 1: then they take.

2472
02:10:51,800 --> 02:11:03,040
Speaker 2: Over originally yeah, supermarkets. Yeah yeah. Is it a race

2473
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:05,640
Speaker 2: like me, you can't go into that part of town?

2474
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:06,280
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.

2475
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:11,000
Speaker 5: I don't think it's that. But I believe that the

2476
02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:15,600
Speaker 5: Asian culture is very close knit. I think every ethnic

2477
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:18,560
Speaker 5: culture at its core is very cold, close knit. So

2478
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:20,640
Speaker 5: when you're not from that culture, they just gonna be like,

2479
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:26,919
Speaker 5: all right, see what he's doing, and that's it. Yeah exactly.

2480
02:11:27,200 --> 02:11:29,880
Speaker 5: And then you know, but but anybody from Queens and

2481
02:11:29,960 --> 02:11:33,400
Speaker 5: from that neighborhood, we're in and out of that neighborhood

2482
02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:34,240
Speaker 5: at all times.

2483
02:11:34,280 --> 02:11:37,040
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, it's just it's a mixture

2484
02:11:37,080 --> 02:11:37,640
Speaker 2: of cultures.

2485
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:39,440
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of people got to understand

2486
02:11:39,520 --> 02:11:44,080
Speaker 5: that that, especially food, food brings every culture together.

2487
02:11:44,920 --> 02:11:48,800
Speaker 2: Music, food and music. But there's no Black neighborhood without

2488
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:52,840
Speaker 2: Asian food. You know what I'm saying. Don't work? Yeah,

2489
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:55,880
Speaker 2: you get me to ask ole smoke weed. Yeah, you

2490
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:58,840
Speaker 2: can get kicked out of some yeah, but yeah, it

2491
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:01,920
Speaker 2: was universe, so it's not Yeah, we I mean food

2492
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:05,520
Speaker 2: and food and music brings everybody together. Man, it's it's amazing.

2493
02:12:07,320 --> 02:12:10,600
Speaker 1: Okay, NPC two thousand XL or n PC two thousand

2494
02:12:10,720 --> 02:12:11,840
Speaker 1: XL mp.

2495
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:18,040
Speaker 2: MPC. I don't even know what you said are I'm like, yeah,

2496
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:19,400
Speaker 2: you're talking about money.

2497
02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:27,520
Speaker 5: Nah, And I know people like Alchemists and and who

2498
02:12:27,600 --> 02:12:31,360
Speaker 5: else does a SR Tim Timbo does SR I believe

2499
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:34,320
Speaker 5: he does SR Rizza that's as R.

2500
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:34,800
Speaker 6: No.

2501
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:38,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're never getting me to go past the MPC

2502
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:42,080
Speaker 2: two thousand excel. Okay, Big Daddy Kane on jay Z.

2503
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:51,760
Speaker 5: Come on, stop man, I'm picking one. I'm picking Kane

2504
02:12:53,240 --> 02:12:57,560
Speaker 5: because I believe without Caine that might not.

2505
02:12:57,680 --> 02:13:02,879
Speaker 2: Be a Jay jaz was. I agree, Yeah, I agree, saying.

2506
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:10,360
Speaker 5: So even though Jay and Jazzo were running around but

2507
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:12,320
Speaker 5: at the same time as a Caine.

2508
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:18,080
Speaker 2: But Cain.

2509
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:22,760
Speaker 5: Correct me if I'm wrong, But I believe Kine gave

2510
02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:29,480
Speaker 5: Jay platforms put him on singles. You know when when

2511
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:33,200
Speaker 5: when the nineties era is rushing ushering in and we're

2512
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:36,320
Speaker 5: getting away from from the style that he was using

2513
02:13:36,440 --> 02:13:40,600
Speaker 5: with with Jazzo. It was putting him in a platform.

2514
02:13:41,120 --> 02:13:44,600
Speaker 5: And and I think I heard Kane say this recently.

2515
02:13:44,760 --> 02:13:46,360
Speaker 5: Kine was trying to get him a deal and couldn't

2516
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:46,960
Speaker 5: get him a deal.

2517
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:50,040
Speaker 2: But I think.

2518
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:55,840
Speaker 5: Cain allowed people to know and respect Jay at another

2519
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,240
Speaker 5: level and then Jay took it from there.

2520
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:03,480
Speaker 2: So I got it. I got Yeah, Kine in general,

2521
02:14:03,800 --> 02:14:06,400
Speaker 2: just on what do you different in hip hop?

2522
02:14:06,920 --> 02:14:10,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to give him that like Jay might

2523
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:12,200
Speaker 6: not take it there like a lot of people might.

2524
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:15,600
Speaker 2: If not, Kane takes it there. You could understand the

2525
02:14:15,720 --> 02:14:16,600
Speaker 2: impact of Kin.

2526
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:24,320
Speaker 5: To this day, rappers mentioned Kane, Jay's mentioned King, people

2527
02:14:24,520 --> 02:14:27,520
Speaker 5: mentioned Kane to this day. Two rappers that always get

2528
02:14:27,600 --> 02:14:29,720
Speaker 5: mentioned the most to me is like a Caine and

2529
02:14:29,800 --> 02:14:33,760
Speaker 5: a slick Rick Kane, slick Rick ll rock Camp. Yeah,

2530
02:14:34,280 --> 02:14:39,080
Speaker 5: those four get mentioned by anybody and you can say

2531
02:14:39,120 --> 02:14:41,560
Speaker 5: their name and nobody's going to be like, what are

2532
02:14:41,560 --> 02:14:42,200
Speaker 5: you talking about?

2533
02:14:43,240 --> 02:14:47,080
Speaker 2: You know? So, so I gotta give it to Kane

2534
02:14:47,080 --> 02:14:51,160
Speaker 2: at all times. The big shouts to Jay Malcolm xel

2535
02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:57,760
Speaker 2: Marcus Garvey. So you're not supposed to put them too

2536
02:14:57,920 --> 02:15:01,280
Speaker 2: against each other because what they're supposed to do is

2537
02:15:01,320 --> 02:15:03,440
Speaker 2: be together on and so y'all got drink on that, right,

2538
02:15:03,480 --> 02:15:15,520
Speaker 2: that's right? Yeah, Illmatic on thirty six Chambers. That's kind

2539
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:17,520
Speaker 2: of a drink too. That's going to be a drink.

2540
02:15:17,640 --> 02:15:23,080
Speaker 1: But no, thirty six Chambers came up with the same

2541
02:15:23,680 --> 02:15:26,160
Speaker 1: pretty much like a year before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but

2542
02:15:26,240 --> 02:15:28,400
Speaker 1: it's the same era. That's why they went on tour together.

2543
02:15:28,440 --> 02:15:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, because yeah, so do you gotta drink to that?

2544
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:37,040
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say this, Illmatic showed because kind of

2545
02:15:37,200 --> 02:15:38,880
Speaker 1: like before Illmatic.

2546
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:42,880
Speaker 5: Artists like myself, we were told that we had to

2547
02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:47,080
Speaker 5: make these radio or waded down records in order to

2548
02:15:47,160 --> 02:15:47,960
Speaker 5: go anywhere.

2549
02:15:48,280 --> 02:15:51,480
Speaker 2: You were actually told that, yeah, one hundred percent label

2550
02:15:51,600 --> 02:15:56,839
Speaker 2: management or who both seventeen eighteen. Yeah. Like for example,

2551
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:01,120
Speaker 2: like say I used my record the rhythm.

2552
02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:05,920
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, but we were told to chill it,

2553
02:16:06,160 --> 02:16:09,840
Speaker 5: chill it out, So you got Illmatic comes out and

2554
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:14,800
Speaker 5: it blows and it's like, yo, we could just be us.

2555
02:16:15,120 --> 02:16:17,800
Speaker 1: It's not a radio driven sounded out but still you

2556
02:16:17,880 --> 02:16:18,960
Speaker 1: want to play this on a radio.

2557
02:16:19,160 --> 02:16:23,360
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a groundbreaking and he's just being he's just

2558
02:16:23,480 --> 02:16:26,640
Speaker 2: being in them c just being here. Yes, so.

2559
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:31,920
Speaker 5: That's groundbreaking into itself and he's from Queens. Then you

2560
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:36,480
Speaker 5: got thirty six Chambers to me, thirty six Chambers told

2561
02:16:36,560 --> 02:16:40,080
Speaker 5: me that hip hop is at a certain place because

2562
02:16:40,400 --> 02:16:41,720
Speaker 5: anything goes now.

2563
02:16:41,959 --> 02:16:44,920
Speaker 2: Thirty six Chambers, you just got records. You got a

2564
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:48,200
Speaker 2: dudes rhyming on a record. You know, there's no real

2565
02:16:48,400 --> 02:16:51,960
Speaker 2: main hook that you just repeating everything. It's no poppy

2566
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:55,800
Speaker 2: hook or nothing like that. It's just dude going in bar,

2567
02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:58,920
Speaker 2: foot ball, football and it's working. Let me ask you,

2568
02:16:59,280 --> 02:17:02,600
Speaker 2: how does it go backwards in that way? How does

2569
02:17:02,680 --> 02:17:04,600
Speaker 2: hip hop go back to its essence?

2570
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:15,760
Speaker 5: Because I think I think two things happen. It's gonna

2571
02:17:15,800 --> 02:17:20,440
Speaker 5: sound weird. But when white kids got into rap, they

2572
02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:23,160
Speaker 5: got into rap at the age of your m t

2573
02:17:23,320 --> 02:17:25,680
Speaker 5: V raps anything.

2574
02:17:25,440 --> 02:17:29,240
Speaker 2: Before that, then they may know what they may not know.

2575
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:30,240
Speaker 2: It's it's a toss up.

2576
02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:35,120
Speaker 5: But the white audience really got into it because they

2577
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:40,440
Speaker 5: watched MTV all day long. Rap hip hop was rebel

2578
02:17:40,560 --> 02:17:47,720
Speaker 5: music and culture yeah and every yeah, exactly.

2579
02:17:49,480 --> 02:18:00,480
Speaker 2: A whole. So they wanted to rebel against it. Parents.

2580
02:18:01,440 --> 02:18:05,680
Speaker 5: So the harder the rap record was, that's the record

2581
02:18:05,720 --> 02:18:10,160
Speaker 5: that they were playing. So they started with NWA. Fuck

2582
02:18:10,200 --> 02:18:12,360
Speaker 5: the Police, Mom, you know, and like, you.

2583
02:18:12,400 --> 02:18:14,160
Speaker 2: Know, there's like what are you listening to?

2584
02:18:14,680 --> 02:18:17,680
Speaker 5: You know, and that's where you know, I'm pretty sure

2585
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:20,600
Speaker 5: al Gore's wife's tip of Gore her kids was playing

2586
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:23,000
Speaker 5: in n WA or Public Enemy or something, and she

2587
02:18:23,080 --> 02:18:25,680
Speaker 5: didn't like it, and so she ushered in that parental

2588
02:18:25,720 --> 02:18:27,920
Speaker 5: advisory there. You know, there was a time that you

2589
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:30,400
Speaker 5: had to You couldn't buy a rap record. You couldn't

2590
02:18:30,400 --> 02:18:31,920
Speaker 5: even pull it off the shelf anymore. You had to

2591
02:18:31,959 --> 02:18:34,880
Speaker 5: ask for it behind the counter after one part. So

2592
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:41,080
Speaker 5: flash forward to we got We Have Wu Tang and

2593
02:18:41,320 --> 02:18:47,560
Speaker 5: acts like that. That's just rebel music. You know, you

2594
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:51,439
Speaker 5: playing Protect your Neck and you're in some suburban household

2595
02:18:51,520 --> 02:18:55,640
Speaker 5: and your mom is listening to Elton John and you

2596
02:18:55,959 --> 02:18:59,400
Speaker 5: start throwing that protecting neck, going real out or met

2597
02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:00,280
Speaker 5: h d.

2598
02:19:00,560 --> 02:19:04,800
Speaker 9: Man and then the mobs like you don't listen to

2599
02:19:04,920 --> 02:19:07,640
Speaker 9: things like this, and it's like that's and now you

2600
02:19:07,800 --> 02:19:10,840
Speaker 9: flash forward, go to a Woo Tang show.

2601
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:14,240
Speaker 2: Tell me what you see in that audiences forty forty

2602
02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:16,520
Speaker 2: five year old white guys. That was like that was

2603
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:21,240
Speaker 2: that was kids? Yeah, yeah, with the kids like we

2604
02:19:21,480 --> 02:19:26,880
Speaker 2: whole bitches. Ye yeah, It's like I was like, oh,

2605
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:28,800
Speaker 2: ship and you need to pal with girl.

2606
02:19:29,879 --> 02:19:33,800
Speaker 5: No, no, it's it's real and it's worldwide. And and

2607
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:37,360
Speaker 5: that's when I understood. I think up to this point,

2608
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:39,000
Speaker 5: hip hop was trying to find its voice.

2609
02:19:39,520 --> 02:19:39,680
Speaker 2: You know.

2610
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:42,160
Speaker 5: Hip hop's when it started. We were rapping over disco beats.

2611
02:19:42,920 --> 02:19:45,200
Speaker 5: You know, we we we were doing our break beats

2612
02:19:45,240 --> 02:19:46,960
Speaker 5: in the park or whatever. But our records had to

2613
02:19:47,080 --> 02:19:50,280
Speaker 5: reflect the popular disco record. And then it was the

2614
02:19:50,600 --> 02:19:52,320
Speaker 5: you know, electoral records.

2615
02:19:51,959 --> 02:19:54,840
Speaker 2: And then you know the house record. Yeah, but then

2616
02:19:54,920 --> 02:19:57,280
Speaker 2: but run back to one m C. They told us

2617
02:19:57,400 --> 02:19:59,680
Speaker 2: now we can be we could be us. But then

2618
02:19:59,720 --> 02:20:03,840
Speaker 2: they did ero Smith the rock record. Well, because I

2619
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:06,640
Speaker 2: think that hip hop and like punk rock were in

2620
02:20:06,760 --> 02:20:09,280
Speaker 2: the same yeah, yeah, you know, but I'm saying we were.

2621
02:20:09,320 --> 02:20:15,160
Speaker 5: Also, we also thought that we had to make a

2622
02:20:15,320 --> 02:20:18,879
Speaker 5: record that, for lack of a better term, that white.

2623
02:20:18,680 --> 02:20:19,360
Speaker 2: People would like.

2624
02:20:20,560 --> 02:20:23,600
Speaker 5: So for example, crossover. Yeah, like we thought we had

2625
02:20:23,640 --> 02:20:26,240
Speaker 5: to make that. Some artists went all the way with it,

2626
02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:29,840
Speaker 5: like for example, let's take salt pepper, push it, push

2627
02:20:29,879 --> 02:20:30,720
Speaker 5: it real good.

2628
02:20:30,920 --> 02:20:31,680
Speaker 2: That was a joke.

2629
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:37,199
Speaker 5: They wasn't serious about making records. They're in the studios

2630
02:20:37,560 --> 02:20:41,480
Speaker 5: bugging out. They're bugging out one because of Miami Base.

2631
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:46,000
Speaker 2: Yo, yo yo, that's fucked those No no, no, it's not.

2632
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:49,760
Speaker 2: It's not a clown to no, no, no, but listen, listen,

2633
02:20:49,879 --> 02:20:54,879
Speaker 2: this is what it was. New Yorkers had. New Yorkers

2634
02:20:54,920 --> 02:20:56,040
Speaker 2: had a chip on their shoulder.

2635
02:20:56,120 --> 02:20:58,320
Speaker 1: We didn't expect anything that wasn't Liverpool. Yeah, if it

2636
02:20:58,440 --> 02:21:00,720
Speaker 1: wasn't Liver Cool, it wasn't Kim or anything.

2637
02:21:00,800 --> 02:21:01,360
Speaker 2: Were not with it.

2638
02:21:01,720 --> 02:21:03,640
Speaker 5: And you gotta understand, like even from when I first

2639
02:21:03,680 --> 02:21:10,120
Speaker 5: started the lyrical content of Miami Bass, there was no

2640
02:21:10,400 --> 02:21:11,960
Speaker 5: like for us. It wasn't like we're not trying to

2641
02:21:12,040 --> 02:21:14,760
Speaker 5: rhyme like that, you know, And I'm gonna take it

2642
02:21:14,760 --> 02:21:17,039
Speaker 5: all the way back to early Miami Like I would

2643
02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:17,680
Speaker 5: come down here and I.

2644
02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:23,200
Speaker 2: Would perform at Strawberries. I would perform at pack Jam. Yeah.

2645
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:26,119
Speaker 5: So so like Uncle Luke brought me to the pack

2646
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:28,280
Speaker 5: Jam and I would get on stage and I'd be

2647
02:21:28,400 --> 02:21:29,800
Speaker 5: rocking it and they would rock with me.

2648
02:21:30,879 --> 02:21:34,680
Speaker 2: But after my show they would be like bring on.

2649
02:21:37,640 --> 02:21:41,160
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, and I'm pappen you think you know?

2650
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:43,800
Speaker 5: And they poka and they thought that was cool. But

2651
02:21:44,280 --> 02:21:47,000
Speaker 5: I would always I come to Miami, I'm the opening that.

2652
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:50,280
Speaker 2: It ain't no, it's whoever is shaddy, whoever is going,

2653
02:21:51,720 --> 02:21:56,280
Speaker 2: whoever is killing? Yeah, like whoever was rocking that base,

2654
02:21:57,080 --> 02:21:59,560
Speaker 2: that's that was that ship and you had to respect it.

2655
02:22:00,520 --> 02:22:03,160
Speaker 5: And I think when it came to Salt and Pepper

2656
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:05,640
Speaker 5: and Push It, they didn't get it. And they did

2657
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:07,760
Speaker 5: a show and I think I think it was shoddy

2658
02:22:07,879 --> 02:22:11,240
Speaker 5: actually was on the show and Shoty wipe the floor

2659
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:15,120
Speaker 5: with them, like there he came out and they was like.

2660
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:18,160
Speaker 2: Yo, and so as a shoe. They were like, we

2661
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:19,720
Speaker 2: can make a record like that and watch us blow

2662
02:22:19,800 --> 02:22:21,640
Speaker 2: up too, because it ain't not and they ain't saying nothing.

2663
02:22:21,640 --> 02:22:23,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna make a record like that. So they made

2664
02:22:23,400 --> 02:22:23,800
Speaker 2: Push It.

2665
02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:30,160
Speaker 5: Look Yeah, and it super blew up and then they

2666
02:22:30,959 --> 02:22:33,000
Speaker 5: so it wasn't necessarily clowning.

2667
02:22:34,200 --> 02:22:34,800
Speaker 3: It was a.

2668
02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:40,920
Speaker 5: It wasn't clown It almost was a parody, but it wasn't.

2669
02:22:41,800 --> 02:22:44,720
Speaker 5: But it was also saying, can can we do this too?

2670
02:22:45,400 --> 02:22:47,920
Speaker 5: Because we got to understand that there's a whole other

2671
02:22:48,120 --> 02:22:51,600
Speaker 5: wave out here. It's not just about the five boroughs.

2672
02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:54,520
Speaker 2: We go down south. We gotta respect this base, we

2673
02:22:54,600 --> 02:22:57,800
Speaker 2: gotta respect that shot in that time frame, they were

2674
02:22:57,879 --> 02:23:01,280
Speaker 2: respecting the South at the time, they weren't. They weren't.

2675
02:23:01,320 --> 02:23:05,400
Speaker 5: I think it took time to do that, you know,

2676
02:23:05,640 --> 02:23:07,240
Speaker 5: Like for me, I can say the same thing, like

2677
02:23:07,800 --> 02:23:12,959
Speaker 5: when we were on that nw A tour and one

2678
02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:14,880
Speaker 5: thing about me, like I said, I'm always going to

2679
02:23:14,920 --> 02:23:17,040
Speaker 5: be a student. So we're like, who's on the tour

2680
02:23:17,080 --> 02:23:18,920
Speaker 5: and it was like somebody named too Short? The fuck

2681
02:23:19,080 --> 02:23:22,400
Speaker 5: is too Short and it was like poison plan. I'm like,

2682
02:23:22,440 --> 02:23:23,240
Speaker 5: who the hell is that?

2683
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:28,840
Speaker 2: So in order so I don't I didn't know poisoning

2684
02:23:28,959 --> 02:23:29,920
Speaker 2: was on that to that's crazy.

2685
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:34,360
Speaker 5: So for me, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna shit

2686
02:23:34,440 --> 02:23:36,560
Speaker 5: on them and any anyway. So when I did this,

2687
02:23:36,600 --> 02:23:38,360
Speaker 5: I called the store and I bought Poison Clan records.

2688
02:23:38,360 --> 02:23:40,600
Speaker 2: I bought Too Short records, and I remember that before

2689
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:42,640
Speaker 2: the tour bus came, we sat up all night and

2690
02:23:42,720 --> 02:23:46,440
Speaker 2: listened to every one of they records, like I get it,

2691
02:23:46,520 --> 02:23:48,120
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I get it, I don't get it,

2692
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:51,959
Speaker 2: but we respect it. They putting records, even cats, even

2693
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:54,440
Speaker 2: from like Detroit area. There's a rapper named e Sean

2694
02:23:54,520 --> 02:23:57,240
Speaker 2: from Detroit and that he's like the was the king

2695
02:23:57,320 --> 02:23:57,720
Speaker 2: of Detroit.

2696
02:23:57,800 --> 02:23:59,720
Speaker 5: So we pulled out, We're going to Detroit. We need

2697
02:23:59,800 --> 02:24:02,720
Speaker 5: to know what is booming is. We need to know

2698
02:24:03,080 --> 02:24:04,560
Speaker 5: what it is on the West coast. We need to

2699
02:24:04,680 --> 02:24:08,240
Speaker 5: know what these things are. And I think by my

2700
02:24:08,560 --> 02:24:11,440
Speaker 5: generation we started to understand that. I think the generation

2701
02:24:11,640 --> 02:24:14,440
Speaker 5: before me it was just like what these dudes doing

2702
02:24:14,480 --> 02:24:16,840
Speaker 5: down here, They ain't really they're not really doing it.

2703
02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:18,280
Speaker 2: So I think it was a learning curve. You know,

2704
02:24:20,520 --> 02:24:22,680
Speaker 2: now you know, we know what it is. Now. It's like.

2705
02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:27,400
Speaker 5: Can't pull up, you can't pull up down here without

2706
02:24:27,480 --> 02:24:32,280
Speaker 5: without playing at this. Especially what they were doing with

2707
02:24:32,600 --> 02:24:34,959
Speaker 5: like those triplets on the eight aw eights and those

2708
02:24:34,959 --> 02:24:37,440
Speaker 5: triplets you know they were that was like a.

2709
02:24:38,959 --> 02:24:40,640
Speaker 2: Revolutionary thing that.

2710
02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:43,800
Speaker 5: That's incorporated in music now, Like you can't have half

2711
02:24:43,800 --> 02:24:45,760
Speaker 5: of the stuff you can't You couldn't have trapped with out?

2712
02:24:47,160 --> 02:24:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah for the strip club.

2713
02:24:50,680 --> 02:24:52,720
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't doubt it was in the strip level.

2714
02:24:52,720 --> 02:24:57,200
Speaker 6: But yeah from Tampa, like his his ship was crazy man.

2715
02:24:58,480 --> 02:25:09,920
Speaker 2: Yep, sure you got it? Producing or rapping? Is this

2716
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:16,840
Speaker 2: a drink? Still a drinking? Take a drink? Okay, okay, yeah,

2717
02:25:16,879 --> 02:25:22,000
Speaker 2: remember producing for me, it's gonna sound weird, might sound corny.

2718
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:26,520
Speaker 2: I dream about producer aout.

2719
02:25:27,080 --> 02:25:31,000
Speaker 5: I dream about producing, like I have dreams that I

2720
02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:33,400
Speaker 5: produce so and so. Today I produce such and such.

2721
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:37,720
Speaker 5: And when I when I have those dreams, when I

2722
02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:39,760
Speaker 5: think about it, I think about it at all times.

2723
02:25:39,879 --> 02:25:44,440
Speaker 2: I love speaking to other artists. I love being and

2724
02:25:44,720 --> 02:25:45,800
Speaker 2: I think the most.

2725
02:25:48,120 --> 02:25:52,040
Speaker 5: Vulnerable like personal type settings when you're with an artist

2726
02:25:52,120 --> 02:25:56,800
Speaker 5: is when they're creating. You know, you get to know people,

2727
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:01,440
Speaker 5: and you know you might you know, become friends with people.

2728
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:04,480
Speaker 5: Are just know more about them and the type of

2729
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:07,040
Speaker 5: producer I am. I'm not the kind of guy that's like,

2730
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:09,720
Speaker 5: send me some beats. I'm kind of I'm not good

2731
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:12,520
Speaker 5: at that. But if I hung out with you for

2732
02:26:12,600 --> 02:26:14,960
Speaker 5: a day and I listened to what you listen to,

2733
02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:17,760
Speaker 5: and I listened to your conversation and blah blah blah.

2734
02:26:18,400 --> 02:26:21,080
Speaker 5: I'm coming to the studio the next day with a beat.

2735
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:22,880
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, remember when you were talking about X

2736
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:24,240
Speaker 5: y Z, I made a beat.

2737
02:26:24,400 --> 02:26:27,080
Speaker 2: That's there's the difference between a producer and a person

2738
02:26:27,080 --> 02:26:27,480
Speaker 2: who makes me.

2739
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:29,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's the you know, that's the kind of

2740
02:26:29,120 --> 02:26:31,879
Speaker 5: producer I am. And I know that's a rare thing

2741
02:26:32,000 --> 02:26:35,120
Speaker 5: now now and and but that's how I choose to produce.

2742
02:26:35,160 --> 02:26:37,760
Speaker 5: So when everybody, anybody says, send me some beats, I'm like,

2743
02:26:38,840 --> 02:26:40,720
Speaker 5: let me sit with the person if I can't.

2744
02:26:41,120 --> 02:26:43,199
Speaker 2: Right, That's that's a real productive producer.

2745
02:26:43,360 --> 02:26:49,560
Speaker 5: But as an MC, as a writer, as as as

2746
02:26:49,560 --> 02:26:53,560
Speaker 5: an MC, A lot of times people try to put

2747
02:26:53,560 --> 02:26:56,160
Speaker 5: an age on that and they try to say you

2748
02:26:56,280 --> 02:26:59,959
Speaker 5: can't rap past this point, or you shouldn't be rapping

2749
02:27:00,120 --> 02:27:05,200
Speaker 5: past this point. But I always thought and MC is

2750
02:27:05,360 --> 02:27:08,240
Speaker 5: somebody who expressed was what they were going through, their experiences,

2751
02:27:08,320 --> 02:27:11,320
Speaker 5: their feelings, their thoughts, and they have the talent to

2752
02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:15,440
Speaker 5: write it out freestyle or whatever it is. They had

2753
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:19,800
Speaker 5: that talent to spit that out. Those thoughts and those feelings,

2754
02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:24,360
Speaker 5: those expressions never stop, you know, at any age. So

2755
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:26,600
Speaker 5: for me, like you know whether I put a record

2756
02:27:26,600 --> 02:27:28,920
Speaker 5: out or whether or not. I'm I'm in my studio

2757
02:27:28,959 --> 02:27:32,760
Speaker 5: writing a rhyme, I'm saying around, I'm doing something, saying.

2758
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:33,840
Speaker 2: Something in my mind. Whatever.

2759
02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:40,119
Speaker 5: So and when I produce a record, ten times out

2760
02:27:40,160 --> 02:27:43,279
Speaker 5: of ten, I made my own song to that beat.

2761
02:27:43,120 --> 02:27:44,800
Speaker 2: That I produced. I may be giving you the beat

2762
02:27:44,959 --> 02:27:47,240
Speaker 2: right right, right right, but in my mind it was

2763
02:27:48,080 --> 02:27:50,040
Speaker 2: this was a quame record. I heard you say earlier

2764
02:27:50,120 --> 02:27:54,520
Speaker 2: that you give the hooks. So those books, I can't

2765
02:27:54,600 --> 02:27:57,280
Speaker 2: make a beat without making a song, or at least

2766
02:27:57,320 --> 02:27:57,920
Speaker 2: making a hook.

2767
02:27:59,480 --> 02:28:01,720
Speaker 5: Now give you a hook that I probably would say,

2768
02:28:01,720 --> 02:28:04,000
Speaker 5: because we're two different types of artist. So I try

2769
02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:08,320
Speaker 5: to tap into your wavelane. But at the same time,

2770
02:28:09,440 --> 02:28:11,600
Speaker 5: it's still from that same approach, like if I was

2771
02:28:11,640 --> 02:28:12,600
Speaker 5: writing my own record.

2772
02:28:13,800 --> 02:28:16,360
Speaker 2: You gotta drink, Okay, yeah, I think they drink. Are

2773
02:28:16,400 --> 02:28:19,280
Speaker 2: you you to drink three times dope or Red Had

2774
02:28:19,360 --> 02:28:23,360
Speaker 2: king Finn? Oh shit, that's a good one man shit

2775
02:28:23,560 --> 02:28:28,360
Speaker 2: shit ship. What are you wonting for. You're gonna have

2776
02:28:28,440 --> 02:28:29,000
Speaker 2: to take a drink.

2777
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:32,000
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna tell y'all some stories about Red Had

2778
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:38,920
Speaker 5: Kingpin and three times dope, So three times dope, I'll

2779
02:28:38,959 --> 02:28:43,160
Speaker 5: go to redhad king Pin. First, well, my parents got divorced,

2780
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:49,480
Speaker 5: my father remarried, and we moved out of East Elmhurst

2781
02:28:50,480 --> 02:28:55,000
Speaker 5: to Inglewood, New Jersey, Jersey. Shout out to Inglewood, New

2782
02:28:55,080 --> 02:28:56,840
Speaker 5: Jersey and Dwight Marrow High School. I'll telling you I

2783
02:28:56,879 --> 02:29:01,240
Speaker 5: went to a million high schools. So I'm at the

2784
02:29:01,280 --> 02:29:05,200
Speaker 5: whitemorrow and all my friends is like, you gotta meet

2785
02:29:05,240 --> 02:29:05,960
Speaker 5: all boy Dave.

2786
02:29:06,080 --> 02:29:08,800
Speaker 2: You're gonna love Dave like Dave. Like, yeah, you're gonna

2787
02:29:08,840 --> 02:29:13,600
Speaker 2: love Dave. So we go to Dave's house and Dave

2788
02:29:13,640 --> 02:29:15,640
Speaker 2: got kicked out of school. He was a bad kid.

2789
02:29:16,440 --> 02:29:17,200
Speaker 2: Dave's Redhead.

2790
02:29:18,360 --> 02:29:22,240
Speaker 5: So you know, he's the first dude that I hung

2791
02:29:22,320 --> 02:29:24,920
Speaker 5: out with in Jersey when I moved, you know, and

2792
02:29:24,959 --> 02:29:26,920
Speaker 5: I was kind of pissed, like, yo, I took me

2793
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:29,480
Speaker 5: out of my element. I'm trying to make an album.

2794
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:31,880
Speaker 5: You know, all my people in Queens and here I

2795
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:35,440
Speaker 5: am in Inglewood, New Jersey. I don't know nobody, but

2796
02:29:35,560 --> 02:29:44,480
Speaker 5: I mean Redhead and me and Red Click Red. And

2797
02:29:44,560 --> 02:29:49,000
Speaker 5: when I tell you, man, like we were the crew man,

2798
02:29:49,080 --> 02:29:49,280
Speaker 5: like we.

2799
02:29:49,280 --> 02:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Would just we.

2800
02:29:49,800 --> 02:29:52,880
Speaker 5: Would be doing wolh like we were really wilding out

2801
02:29:53,240 --> 02:29:58,920
Speaker 5: in Jersey making music and the even funnier thing is

2802
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:05,920
Speaker 5: my boy heard my demo demo to the song. Well

2803
02:30:05,959 --> 02:30:07,720
Speaker 5: this might be part of your next question, but so

2804
02:30:07,800 --> 02:30:11,640
Speaker 5: stop me if I if I'm going on and he

2805
02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:13,920
Speaker 5: and he was like, yo, you gotta let my mom

2806
02:30:14,040 --> 02:30:17,040
Speaker 5: hear your record, okay. And I was like, why I'm

2807
02:30:17,040 --> 02:30:19,880
Speaker 5: gonna let your mom here my record? He said, I

2808
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:23,680
Speaker 5: let my mom here Dave's record too. I'm like, all right, whatever.

2809
02:30:23,800 --> 02:30:25,959
Speaker 5: So I go to his house. I pull up at

2810
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:29,840
Speaker 5: his house. It's a straight up mansion. I didn't even notice.

2811
02:30:30,320 --> 02:30:33,640
Speaker 5: I see the magnum p I Ferrari in the front

2812
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:41,560
Speaker 5: on on bricks, no tie, no, no. I see a

2813
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:46,200
Speaker 5: Rose Royce. This is in the neighbor in another pocket

2814
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:46,880
Speaker 5: of the neighborhood.

2815
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:47,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, what is this?

2816
02:30:48,640 --> 02:30:50,320
Speaker 5: So I open the door. I go to the door,

2817
02:30:50,360 --> 02:30:55,119
Speaker 5: and the butler come out. Butler come on in, see exactly.

2818
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:59,840
Speaker 5: And then there was winding stairs and the mom comes

2819
02:30:59,879 --> 02:31:00,920
Speaker 5: down downstairs in her.

2820
02:31:00,920 --> 02:31:04,720
Speaker 2: Like robe and ship, and I'm like, yo, body time.

2821
02:31:05,360 --> 02:31:09,840
Speaker 2: Now like some of you know, extravagant shit is nobody.

2822
02:31:10,200 --> 02:31:16,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's Sylvia Robinson from sugar Hill Records. I'm like, yo,

2823
02:31:17,560 --> 02:31:20,320
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for this lady, we wouldn't have no

2824
02:31:20,480 --> 02:31:25,480
Speaker 2: rap records out her and her brother. Wow. So she

2825
02:31:25,640 --> 02:31:29,320
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I remember with your friend Dave red Head,

2826
02:31:29,360 --> 02:31:31,280
Speaker 2: and you know he got a good record and I

2827
02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:34,440
Speaker 2: heard heard your record the Rhythm and I love that.

2828
02:31:34,840 --> 02:31:36,440
Speaker 2: And I'm starting a new label and I want you

2829
02:31:36,440 --> 02:31:39,520
Speaker 2: all to be on the label. So I was like, oh,

2830
02:31:39,560 --> 02:31:40,920
Speaker 2: where I get to be on the label with my

2831
02:31:40,959 --> 02:31:42,560
Speaker 2: best friend. He said, yeah, I got this other group,

2832
02:31:42,680 --> 02:31:46,640
Speaker 2: New Tribe. I was like, word, new Tribe, y'all look

2833
02:31:46,680 --> 02:31:50,800
Speaker 2: it up. Kid named Trench, Vinnie and KG. Of course

2834
02:31:51,240 --> 02:31:55,280
Speaker 2: that was original. Yeah, so it's gonna be. I forgot

2835
02:31:55,480 --> 02:32:00,960
Speaker 2: Naughty Me and Redhead on this new label called Bone

2836
02:32:00,959 --> 02:32:02,600
Speaker 2: of Me Records. And I'm like, wait, that don't even

2837
02:32:02,640 --> 02:32:06,200
Speaker 2: sound hip hop exactly exactly Bone on Me.

2838
02:32:06,400 --> 02:32:15,720
Speaker 5: That's well the contract. So at that same time, I

2839
02:32:15,800 --> 02:32:17,720
Speaker 5: know I'm going off on a tangent. But you told

2840
02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:19,920
Speaker 5: me to tell the story, telling me story.

2841
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:21,200
Speaker 2: And he got to smoke at me. So I'm telling

2842
02:32:21,320 --> 02:32:25,120
Speaker 2: a whole lot of stuff. Let's go. So at that

2843
02:32:25,360 --> 02:32:27,120
Speaker 2: same time, I.

2844
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:31,920
Speaker 5: Handed my demo to Herbie love Bug, and I my

2845
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:35,200
Speaker 5: father was like, you should let one of his friends

2846
02:32:35,560 --> 02:32:39,920
Speaker 5: hear the demo. His wife work at Sony, So literally,

2847
02:32:40,840 --> 02:32:43,320
Speaker 5: Miss Robinson gives me a contract. It is literally two

2848
02:32:43,360 --> 02:32:45,440
Speaker 5: pages long. It's like some words in the front and

2849
02:32:45,480 --> 02:32:48,480
Speaker 5: in the back is the signing page. Then a couple

2850
02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:50,920
Speaker 5: of weeks later, Herbie says, Jo Atlantic wants to sign

2851
02:32:50,959 --> 02:32:53,560
Speaker 5: you up, sending you the contract that's three hundred and

2852
02:32:53,640 --> 02:32:58,840
Speaker 5: fifty pages long. Then my pop's friend calls me. Directors

2853
02:32:58,879 --> 02:33:02,080
Speaker 5: like interested in your album. We want to send you

2854
02:33:02,120 --> 02:33:05,080
Speaker 5: a contract. I didn't tell my pops. I didn't tell

2855
02:33:05,080 --> 02:33:08,320
Speaker 5: my pops about none of this. So I'm walking home

2856
02:33:08,360 --> 02:33:10,840
Speaker 5: from school every day with three contracts in my book

2857
02:33:10,920 --> 02:33:13,760
Speaker 5: back and I'm sitting baking on it.

2858
02:33:13,800 --> 02:33:14,800
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to do.

2859
02:33:15,360 --> 02:33:18,320
Speaker 5: But I knew what not to do was the Sylvia

2860
02:33:18,440 --> 02:33:24,160
Speaker 5: Robinson contract, because I was like, two pages, anything could

2861
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:25,920
Speaker 5: be changing. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm like, this

2862
02:33:26,040 --> 02:33:26,880
Speaker 5: don't even look right.

2863
02:33:27,800 --> 02:33:30,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you know it might be though it wasn't

2864
02:33:30,480 --> 02:33:32,280
Speaker 2: the only company that was really think about it.

2865
02:33:32,440 --> 02:33:33,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I didn't like the name Bone of Me.

2866
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:37,440
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was going to take off. I

2867
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:41,000
Speaker 5: wanted ye, but had no tires.

2868
02:33:44,000 --> 02:33:44,280
Speaker 6: It was.

2869
02:33:46,840 --> 02:33:49,080
Speaker 2: So so I didn't I didn't know what to think.

2870
02:33:49,320 --> 02:33:51,359
Speaker 2: I didn't know if that was going to go overwhelm.

2871
02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:56,160
Speaker 2: So then I looked at the legacy of Atlantic Records.

2872
02:33:56,160 --> 02:33:58,200
Speaker 5: You know, some of my favorite artists were on Atlantic,

2873
02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:00,360
Speaker 5: So I was like, yo, I think I want to

2874
02:34:00,400 --> 02:34:03,880
Speaker 5: go there, and I know MC light was there, but

2875
02:34:03,959 --> 02:34:06,480
Speaker 5: I would have been the first rapper signed directly to

2876
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:07,400
Speaker 5: Atlantic Records.

2877
02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:10,240
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, let's do it. And so

2878
02:34:11,120 --> 02:34:16,000
Speaker 2: so you saying this for yourself. Your parents are not

2879
02:34:16,120 --> 02:34:18,280
Speaker 2: involved in this. My parents who did they end up?

2880
02:34:18,320 --> 02:34:19,960
Speaker 2: But they have no they don't know.

2881
02:34:20,480 --> 02:34:24,280
Speaker 5: Divorce lawyer looked at my record contract, so that's what

2882
02:34:24,360 --> 02:34:26,840
Speaker 5: shows you what was going on. It was like it

2883
02:34:26,959 --> 02:34:28,760
Speaker 5: was still the divorce was you know, it was like

2884
02:34:30,280 --> 02:34:32,960
Speaker 5: my parents had gotten divorced. My pops just got remarried.

2885
02:34:33,160 --> 02:34:34,800
Speaker 5: But he was like, I know, a loyalist. She was

2886
02:34:34,840 --> 02:34:39,560
Speaker 5: just a divorce lawyer. Yeah, he just did the divorce

2887
02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:42,600
Speaker 5: and you know, and the divorce wasn't no ugly thing.

2888
02:34:42,720 --> 02:34:45,320
Speaker 2: So it was like, let's do that. And my moms

2889
02:34:45,400 --> 02:34:45,720
Speaker 2: was with it.

2890
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:50,240
Speaker 5: So they technically had to sign the contract because I

2891
02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:54,000
Speaker 5: was young. I was, you know, sixteen, so so they

2892
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:57,240
Speaker 5: had to sign the contract. But my choice was to

2893
02:34:57,320 --> 02:35:00,440
Speaker 5: go with Atlantic a because it was through Herbie. Herbie

2894
02:35:00,600 --> 02:35:02,880
Speaker 5: was you know, that was back in Queens. That was

2895
02:35:02,920 --> 02:35:08,840
Speaker 5: my home crew. Then I didn't know what was gonna

2896
02:35:08,840 --> 02:35:16,320
Speaker 5: go happened with the Boname stuff. Dave ended up read

2897
02:35:16,320 --> 02:35:18,840
Speaker 5: it ended up with Teddy Riley, so that he wasn't

2898
02:35:18,840 --> 02:35:20,520
Speaker 5: even gonna be I wasn't even gonna be on the

2899
02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:23,280
Speaker 5: label with my boy, and so it was just it

2900
02:35:23,400 --> 02:35:25,160
Speaker 5: is what it is. And I don't know if I

2901
02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:27,200
Speaker 5: don't know if Bonamy ever put out New Tribe. I

2902
02:35:27,240 --> 02:35:29,560
Speaker 5: know New Trip had an album, but I don't know

2903
02:35:29,720 --> 02:35:31,840
Speaker 5: if it was on that label. I gotta ask KG

2904
02:35:32,040 --> 02:35:34,320
Speaker 5: if that was on that label. But you know what

2905
02:35:34,440 --> 02:35:38,720
Speaker 5: they ended up turning into, so clearly Bonam didn't turn

2906
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:43,560
Speaker 5: it into anything. Also bone me, Yeah, so but then

2907
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:48,000
Speaker 5: you got three Times Done. Yeah, you know they could

2908
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:49,680
Speaker 5: have put TI just I don't know what they was doing.

2909
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:53,360
Speaker 5: They probably was in the middle of changing because they

2910
02:35:53,440 --> 02:35:55,800
Speaker 5: you know, they would think about sugar Hill Records sold

2911
02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:57,920
Speaker 5: a lot of records, so they had they their paper

2912
02:35:58,040 --> 02:36:02,400
Speaker 5: was right, and they had everybody's publishing. So but with

2913
02:36:02,520 --> 02:36:07,520
Speaker 5: three Times Dope, so three Times Dope, I'm already out,

2914
02:36:07,560 --> 02:36:12,080
Speaker 5: I'm already established, and they're like the first artists that

2915
02:36:12,200 --> 02:36:15,320
Speaker 5: I get real cool with that's not from my area area.

2916
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:21,160
Speaker 5: If not, they're from Philly. So I would stay at

2917
02:36:21,240 --> 02:36:25,040
Speaker 5: the rapper Est. I would stay with him and his mom. Yeah,

2918
02:36:25,080 --> 02:36:28,560
Speaker 5: man I would stay at Yes, his house. Yes, would

2919
02:36:28,560 --> 02:36:30,760
Speaker 5: stay at my house. His mom would call me son.

2920
02:36:30,840 --> 02:36:33,240
Speaker 5: My mom would call him son. You know what I'm saying.

2921
02:36:33,320 --> 02:36:39,080
Speaker 5: So it's a different thing between me and them because

2922
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:41,800
Speaker 5: Red is a part of my foundation and and and

2923
02:36:42,040 --> 02:36:47,880
Speaker 5: me my trying to make it where yes, Woodie and

2924
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:52,800
Speaker 5: and and Chuck they are a part of like just

2925
02:36:53,640 --> 02:36:55,560
Speaker 5: artists with deals, just having fun together.

2926
02:36:55,840 --> 02:37:02,160
Speaker 2: So y'all gotta drink. You gotta know. So Lloyd Banks March.

2927
02:37:05,760 --> 02:37:09,440
Speaker 5: Pharaoh Munch because he's as a rapper or what were

2928
02:37:09,480 --> 02:37:14,480
Speaker 5: we talking about? So I give it to Pharaoh Manch

2929
02:37:14,560 --> 02:37:18,360
Speaker 5: because Para Manch is probably one of the illest rappers ever.

2930
02:37:19,640 --> 02:37:21,800
Speaker 5: And I think Banks is one of the illest rappers ever.

2931
02:37:22,920 --> 02:37:26,400
Speaker 5: But because me and Manch went to school together, Me

2932
02:37:26,520 --> 02:37:27,320
Speaker 5: and Mancha.

2933
02:37:27,680 --> 02:37:29,920
Speaker 2: Was Alba Boxer. Oh yeah, he was dope.

2934
02:37:33,240 --> 02:37:36,520
Speaker 5: He's He's also into the same things I'm into, like

2935
02:37:36,640 --> 02:37:39,880
Speaker 5: collecting noise and all that stuff. So we go to

2936
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:45,160
Speaker 5: comic Con together, we're always on panels together, so it's

2937
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:50,480
Speaker 5: always that that that connection. Yeah, I have never to

2938
02:37:50,600 --> 02:37:53,800
Speaker 5: this day, though we've sold over a million records, I've

2939
02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:54,520
Speaker 5: never met Banks.

2940
02:37:55,520 --> 02:37:57,800
Speaker 2: Really, I've never been in the rule with him. I've

2941
02:37:57,879 --> 02:37:58,640
Speaker 2: never seen him.

2942
02:37:58,680 --> 02:38:02,200
Speaker 5: I've never had any conversations with him, So I don't

2943
02:38:02,200 --> 02:38:05,360
Speaker 5: know if he picked the beat. I believe shot Money,

2944
02:38:05,440 --> 02:38:07,360
Speaker 5: Excel and Fifth pick the beat.

2945
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:08,520
Speaker 2: I could see that.

2946
02:38:08,840 --> 02:38:14,160
Speaker 5: And when they recorded the record, they were on the tour,

2947
02:38:14,879 --> 02:38:16,840
Speaker 5: so I had to turn everything in. I had to

2948
02:38:17,240 --> 02:38:19,320
Speaker 5: go to a studio, lay the beat down, put it,

2949
02:38:19,480 --> 02:38:23,039
Speaker 5: you know, in tracks, and then send it to London Wow,

2950
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:27,640
Speaker 5: where Banks did his vocals. So I was never I

2951
02:38:27,760 --> 02:38:30,080
Speaker 5: wasn't able to get I had something I wasn't able

2952
02:38:30,120 --> 02:38:31,560
Speaker 5: to get to London. It was like a session that

2953
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:34,040
Speaker 5: was going on. They told me go to the studio

2954
02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:36,120
Speaker 5: on Tuesday, and we're recording on a Wednesday. I was like,

2955
02:38:36,160 --> 02:38:38,880
Speaker 5: there's no way I was able to get. So I

2956
02:38:39,000 --> 02:38:43,760
Speaker 5: couldn't really be the producer that I'm normally that I

2957
02:38:43,879 --> 02:38:48,920
Speaker 5: normally am. And it's got to be how long ago.

2958
02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:53,640
Speaker 5: This is two thousand and four, so twenty one years ago.

2959
02:38:54,200 --> 02:38:56,840
Speaker 2: The classic record I've never met. I've never met Banks.

2960
02:38:56,840 --> 02:38:58,160
Speaker 2: I would love to, you know, love to meet him.

2961
02:38:58,480 --> 02:39:00,959
Speaker 2: You got twenty one questions why you ain't meet Lloyd Banks? Yeah,

2962
02:39:00,959 --> 02:39:09,280
Speaker 2: the drum line or coach Carter? He worked on both, right,

2963
02:39:12,360 --> 02:39:16,640
Speaker 2: I never saw coach Carter drum line. I know you'd

2964
02:39:16,640 --> 02:39:24,720
Speaker 2: be a foulon. I tell you that. What is Coach

2965
02:39:24,760 --> 02:39:28,560
Speaker 2: Carter about Samuel being about Coach Carter?

2966
02:39:29,720 --> 02:39:31,640
Speaker 1: Is he like is he in the city coming into

2967
02:39:31,800 --> 02:39:36,160
Speaker 1: Colds with a young minority group of kids, losing season,

2968
02:39:36,280 --> 02:39:39,560
Speaker 1: losing team, and he overcomes them as young grown.

2969
02:39:39,400 --> 02:39:43,359
Speaker 2: Men and educated in students and athletes. There you go watch,

2970
02:39:44,280 --> 02:39:46,960
Speaker 2: I gotta watch that. I've never I felt like it's

2971
02:39:47,000 --> 02:39:50,760
Speaker 2: like lean on me. But with sports, that's exactly what

2972
02:39:50,840 --> 02:39:55,400
Speaker 2: it is. That's agreed anology. Colombo, colosseum all day. I

2973
02:39:55,480 --> 02:39:57,840
Speaker 2: get you get ballets, you go there for a hundred

2974
02:39:57,879 --> 02:40:01,240
Speaker 2: dollars ballots you're talking about to t twenty eighty dollars.

2975
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:04,640
Speaker 2: You get shirtcash shirtcanes, you can get your chain, You

2976
02:40:04,800 --> 02:40:05,760
Speaker 2: get a picture.

2977
02:40:05,680 --> 02:40:07,879
Speaker 5: You take a girl, you and your girlfriend dressed the same.

2978
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:11,840
Speaker 5: Y'all go to college and take the picture together looking crazy.

2979
02:40:15,080 --> 02:40:22,280
Speaker 2: New Jack City or juice juice, aren't you the soundtrack

2980
02:40:22,320 --> 02:40:25,320
Speaker 2: of one of these. No, no, I could have swore

2981
02:40:25,400 --> 02:40:27,440
Speaker 2: you on New Jack City soundtrack if I am.

2982
02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:31,920
Speaker 5: I don't know it, but Juice, because Juice reminded me

2983
02:40:31,959 --> 02:40:36,040
Speaker 5: of people. I actually knew an area in Harlem that

2984
02:40:36,120 --> 02:40:37,480
Speaker 5: I would actually hang out in.

2985
02:40:37,600 --> 02:40:43,480
Speaker 2: So I feel like it was a connection where Nino Brown.

2986
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:48,800
Speaker 5: We all knew who our neighborhood Nino Browns were, but

2987
02:40:48,879 --> 02:40:50,640
Speaker 5: they weren't like Nino Brown.

2988
02:40:50,720 --> 02:40:52,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It wasn't it was. It

2989
02:40:53,080 --> 02:40:56,640
Speaker 2: was like a fantasize. Yeah, it wasn't like but it

2990
02:40:56,760 --> 02:41:00,760
Speaker 2: wasn't too far off. Yeah yeah, but right up, No,

2991
02:41:00,879 --> 02:41:02,800
Speaker 2: it was. I'm sure it was a little bit.

2992
02:41:03,360 --> 02:41:07,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was very It was very like you

2993
02:41:07,040 --> 02:41:09,480
Speaker 5: ever used to watch the eighties or nineties movie about

2994
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:12,840
Speaker 5: rapping but didn't have no real rappers, Like you.

2995
02:41:12,879 --> 02:41:13,760
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. It was.

2996
02:41:16,480 --> 02:41:23,280
Speaker 5: We could understand it, but it wasn't exactly you know,

2997
02:41:23,440 --> 02:41:26,959
Speaker 5: I'm from everywhere. You got cast like Preame and Fat

2998
02:41:27,080 --> 02:41:31,320
Speaker 5: Cat and you know Paul, all these cats is you

2999
02:41:31,400 --> 02:41:32,519
Speaker 5: know in Harlem.

3000
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:36,680
Speaker 2: Like we're seeing this in real life. We're seeing that

3001
02:41:36,840 --> 02:41:39,040
Speaker 2: crack era ain't nothing to play with.

3002
02:41:39,280 --> 02:41:43,080
Speaker 5: And when we're kids we're seeing it in real time,

3003
02:41:44,160 --> 02:41:46,240
Speaker 5: and we're seeing something like you come up to Harlem,

3004
02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:48,640
Speaker 5: you go to South Side, you going to basically you

3005
02:41:48,760 --> 02:41:53,039
Speaker 5: go different spots. You see some things and you hear

3006
02:41:53,120 --> 02:42:02,080
Speaker 5: about some things that no movie has ever depicted. So

3007
02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:04,080
Speaker 5: you watched you know Brown, It's like, all right, this

3008
02:42:04,160 --> 02:42:07,560
Speaker 5: is watered down. This is water down life that we

3009
02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:08,840
Speaker 5: singing for real?

3010
02:42:08,920 --> 02:42:09,280
Speaker 2: For real?

3011
02:42:10,440 --> 02:42:13,040
Speaker 5: Where's something about juice? It's like you always everybody got

3012
02:42:13,120 --> 02:42:15,360
Speaker 5: that crew. They got that one kid and the crew.

3013
02:42:15,440 --> 02:42:19,320
Speaker 5: That's like Bishop Tupac. You know, there's that one you know,

3014
02:42:19,400 --> 02:42:21,760
Speaker 5: the one kid and the crew. Like, oh, I wanted

3015
02:42:21,800 --> 02:42:23,720
Speaker 5: to try to try to get out of it. It

3016
02:42:23,800 --> 02:42:27,160
Speaker 5: was a DJ trying to do his thing. And they

3017
02:42:27,240 --> 02:42:30,640
Speaker 5: reminded me of my friends. They reminded my Brooklyn friends,

3018
02:42:30,680 --> 02:42:32,440
Speaker 5: reminded me of my Queen's friends. They reminded me of

3019
02:42:32,480 --> 02:42:35,640
Speaker 5: my Harlem friends. And it was like I can relate

3020
02:42:35,680 --> 02:42:37,120
Speaker 5: to this where just like I couldn't.

3021
02:42:38,160 --> 02:42:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, like, for example, I can ask a

3022
02:42:40,040 --> 02:42:45,039
Speaker 2: Cali dude was Minister Society, real was boys in the hood.

3023
02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:49,520
Speaker 5: Real, I can't relate to me. It's all a Hollywood thing,

3024
02:42:49,640 --> 02:42:51,760
Speaker 5: but for somebody that was really in that game.

3025
02:42:51,800 --> 02:42:55,440
Speaker 1: I always wondered, like, look at this about American me

3026
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:58,000
Speaker 1: and blood, like we didn't know which is what.

3027
02:42:58,200 --> 02:43:02,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, diferent reasons though why we still didn't know

3028
02:43:02,879 --> 02:43:16,240
Speaker 2: which is what? Track Masters or hit Man, my mom.

3029
02:43:18,879 --> 02:43:20,200
Speaker 2: I want to say, I wanted to y to take

3030
02:43:20,200 --> 02:43:23,360
Speaker 2: a drink, but I think I drink anyway.

3031
02:43:26,080 --> 02:43:29,640
Speaker 5: Y'all can take a drink. But this is why, guys,

3032
02:43:29,720 --> 02:43:35,520
Speaker 5: let us go track masters for the most part. First,

3033
02:43:35,640 --> 02:43:37,199
Speaker 5: let's go with my man Red Hot Love.

3034
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:39,959
Speaker 2: Of Tone Tone track Master Tone for those who.

3035
02:43:39,840 --> 02:43:43,800
Speaker 5: Are Yeah, he was a blueprint for what I was

3036
02:43:43,879 --> 02:43:47,320
Speaker 5: trying to do at the time. Him and Prince Marqui

3037
02:43:47,360 --> 02:43:53,080
Speaker 5: d from the Fat Boys were artists that became major producers.

3038
02:43:53,480 --> 02:43:53,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

3039
02:43:54,360 --> 02:43:58,320
Speaker 5: So when I'm in my between period trying to figure

3040
02:43:58,360 --> 02:44:01,959
Speaker 5: it out, Yeah, and he wasn't he was down here was.

3041
02:44:04,040 --> 02:44:10,000
Speaker 2: Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know super that that's my guy. Man. Man, So.

3042
02:44:12,280 --> 02:44:17,360
Speaker 5: Looking at Mark, looking at Tone gave me the battery

3043
02:44:17,440 --> 02:44:19,480
Speaker 5: to say I can do that as well as well.

3044
02:44:19,560 --> 02:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, if I just got to break through

3045
02:44:22,000 --> 02:44:24,320
Speaker 2: the barrier and I can get these records soul and

3046
02:44:24,440 --> 02:44:26,920
Speaker 2: I can do that too. And Tom tried to sit

3047
02:44:27,040 --> 02:44:29,160
Speaker 2: me down, like yo, man, get off. Stop rhyming on

3048
02:44:29,240 --> 02:44:32,760
Speaker 2: those beasts. Take it from me. Sell that ship the

3049
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:35,240
Speaker 2: second time. Somebody else tell you that. No, no, no,

3050
02:44:36,200 --> 02:44:38,480
Speaker 2: Ron Anton, they both tell me at the same time,

3051
02:44:38,879 --> 02:44:39,520
Speaker 2: sell that.

3052
02:44:40,120 --> 02:44:46,440
Speaker 5: So here you got Tone telling me that's track masters, Pope,

3053
02:44:46,600 --> 02:44:49,560
Speaker 5: Me and Pok' I'm loving how Pop makes his beat.

3054
02:44:49,800 --> 02:44:52,960
Speaker 2: Poker is a focused dude. He's all about his beat,

3055
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:53,800
Speaker 2: super focused.

3056
02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:57,360
Speaker 5: Then you got the hit man. Ron is one of

3057
02:44:57,400 --> 02:45:01,920
Speaker 5: the hit men. He's telling me the same. Yeah, he's

3058
02:45:01,959 --> 02:45:04,600
Speaker 5: from my block and I'm listening to him. I know

3059
02:45:05,280 --> 02:45:11,280
Speaker 5: D Dot, but at the same time, they both were rappers.

3060
02:45:11,360 --> 02:45:16,520
Speaker 5: Two Kings in the Cipher, Yeah they were. Yeah, he's

3061
02:45:16,560 --> 02:45:18,880
Speaker 5: the mad rapper. But D Dot and Ron were in

3062
02:45:18,959 --> 02:45:22,480
Speaker 5: a group called Two Kings in the Cipher and it

3063
02:45:22,640 --> 02:45:25,360
Speaker 5: didn't work out the way they wanted it to work out,

3064
02:45:26,240 --> 02:45:27,360
Speaker 5: so they switched gears.

3065
02:45:27,560 --> 02:45:29,720
Speaker 2: And I remember I would go up to Howard University.

3066
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:32,760
Speaker 5: I would see d I would see Ron, and they

3067
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:35,440
Speaker 5: would have the MPs in the NPCs, in the in the.

3068
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:38,400
Speaker 2: In the dorm room. They were getting there. They were

3069
02:45:38,560 --> 02:45:45,280
Speaker 2: they were so so you know, that's how far back

3070
02:45:45,320 --> 02:45:48,800
Speaker 2: I go with them guys, all of them so so.

3071
02:45:51,920 --> 02:46:00,360
Speaker 5: They Ron especially and Tone especially heavily influenced and Ron

3072
02:46:00,520 --> 02:46:04,520
Speaker 5: being a part of my resurgence into the music industry,

3073
02:46:05,480 --> 02:46:08,160
Speaker 5: and Tone willing to be a part of my resurgence.

3074
02:46:08,879 --> 02:46:11,320
Speaker 2: I can't put one over the other. I gotta, you know,

3075
02:46:11,360 --> 02:46:12,920
Speaker 2: I gotta give it to them. And I love I

3076
02:46:13,080 --> 02:46:15,640
Speaker 2: just loved all their records. There's no records that they

3077
02:46:15,720 --> 02:46:17,960
Speaker 2: made that I didn't know. I didn't wrong. I respect that.

3078
02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:20,120
Speaker 2: So we're going to do one last multal Greig time slime.

3079
02:46:20,160 --> 02:46:22,160
Speaker 2: Do you jump back back into that? Okay? Okay, all right,

3080
02:46:22,600 --> 02:46:23,120
Speaker 2: I was about to.

3081
02:46:23,080 --> 02:46:24,320
Speaker 1: Give you a warning, but I'm not gonna give you

3082
02:46:24,320 --> 02:46:27,279
Speaker 1: a warning because he says, I lead the witness.

3083
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:30,359
Speaker 2: Loyalty or respect.

3084
02:46:31,879 --> 02:46:36,440
Speaker 5: Respect, Okay, because with respect brings loyalty, and the people

3085
02:46:36,480 --> 02:46:38,800
Speaker 5: that are loyalty you will always be disloyal.

3086
02:46:38,480 --> 02:46:40,040
Speaker 2: To you at some point when they don't get the

3087
02:46:40,080 --> 02:46:41,200
Speaker 2: same respect that you get.

3088
02:46:43,240 --> 02:46:47,320
Speaker 5: Understand that, say that the people that are loyal to

3089
02:46:47,400 --> 02:46:49,400
Speaker 5: you don't get the same respect that you get, or

3090
02:46:49,440 --> 02:46:51,720
Speaker 5: feel that you're getting more respect to them than them,

3091
02:46:52,920 --> 02:46:56,960
Speaker 5: their loyalty will leave you. So you always got to

3092
02:46:57,040 --> 02:47:07,000
Speaker 5: have respect because with respect, people understand. And it's not

3093
02:47:07,120 --> 02:47:11,119
Speaker 5: wrong with this because There's another part to it. People

3094
02:47:11,240 --> 02:47:16,200
Speaker 5: understand when you have respect that they should deal with you.

3095
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:18,520
Speaker 2: They don't have to like you, they.

3096
02:47:18,440 --> 02:47:20,200
Speaker 5: Don't have to love you, they don't have to be

3097
02:47:20,320 --> 02:47:22,320
Speaker 5: loyal to you, but they know it means something to

3098
02:47:22,440 --> 02:47:24,440
Speaker 5: them and they'll do something for them if they deal

3099
02:47:24,520 --> 02:47:27,800
Speaker 5: with you because they respect you. You understand when they

3100
02:47:27,920 --> 02:47:31,400
Speaker 5: just loyal to you, anything will happen. I didn't want

3101
02:47:31,440 --> 02:47:33,240
Speaker 5: to tell you your girls cheating on you because I'm

3102
02:47:33,280 --> 02:47:35,920
Speaker 5: loyal to you and I like you. I don't want

3103
02:47:35,959 --> 02:47:36,600
Speaker 5: you to kick me out.

3104
02:47:36,600 --> 02:47:37,960
Speaker 2: You know something like that. You know what I'm saying.

3105
02:47:38,160 --> 02:47:41,120
Speaker 5: You wouldn't get all that kind of awareness. But the

3106
02:47:41,240 --> 02:47:44,640
Speaker 5: respect thing is something different.

3107
02:47:46,240 --> 02:47:47,800
Speaker 2: Now, what I do believe is.

3108
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:51,800
Speaker 5: With your respect, I'm about to sound like little Kim,

3109
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:56,760
Speaker 5: what respect comes power. With your respect, you bring about

3110
02:47:56,760 --> 02:47:59,800
Speaker 5: a certain level of power, and you can bring a

3111
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:03,000
Speaker 5: long the people who are loyal to you and give

3112
02:48:03,080 --> 02:48:05,920
Speaker 5: them ways to come up right status.

3113
02:48:06,200 --> 02:48:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't do that unless you have the respect.

3114
02:48:10,160 --> 02:48:12,280
Speaker 5: A bunch of loyal people can be a bunch of

3115
02:48:12,320 --> 02:48:14,680
Speaker 5: loyal people in an aparkment in seven A and Baisley

3116
02:48:15,240 --> 02:48:17,360
Speaker 5: wishing the day came out because they all loyal to

3117
02:48:17,440 --> 02:48:19,480
Speaker 5: each other and they're just sitting around.

3118
02:48:19,920 --> 02:48:20,640
Speaker 3: So so.

3119
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:25,960
Speaker 5: You got to have respect first, like you can't you

3120
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:27,680
Speaker 5: can't buy furniture and you don't how the house.

3121
02:48:28,480 --> 02:48:30,920
Speaker 1: So now let's talk the rhythm because we were in

3122
02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:34,080
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to know how you put this record

3123
02:48:34,120 --> 02:48:36,080
Speaker 1: together for Abosore Okay, okay.

3124
02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:36,160
Speaker 6: So.

3125
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:43,040
Speaker 2: How does this come about? So the rhythm shouts to

3126
02:48:43,120 --> 02:48:45,880
Speaker 2: my boy Tommel. So, so we were living in this

3127
02:48:46,040 --> 02:48:47,760
Speaker 2: building complex.

3128
02:48:47,840 --> 02:48:51,440
Speaker 5: Anybody in Corona, Queens knows this building called Dory Miller

3129
02:48:52,280 --> 02:48:55,360
Speaker 5: and we lived in Dory Miller fun Factor. Across the

3130
02:48:55,360 --> 02:48:57,560
Speaker 5: street was a building called Metal Manor and most of

3131
02:48:58,440 --> 02:49:04,480
Speaker 5: most of main source lived in Metal man So, so.

3132
02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:08,400
Speaker 2: Uh, tom El's father.

3133
02:49:10,160 --> 02:49:12,199
Speaker 5: And if I want to figure out what Tom ELL's

3134
02:49:12,240 --> 02:49:15,080
Speaker 5: father looks like, does anybody know that show Family Guy?

3135
02:49:15,360 --> 02:49:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, the cartoon, Yeah, ok Who's the black guy

3136
02:49:18,600 --> 02:49:23,360
Speaker 2: on the Family Guy? Cleveland Brown. Tom El's father looked

3137
02:49:23,560 --> 02:49:28,920
Speaker 2: exactly like Cleveland Brown. He looks like him, and he sounds,

3138
02:49:29,400 --> 02:49:30,160
Speaker 2: you know, exactly.

3139
02:49:30,240 --> 02:49:33,879
Speaker 5: Think somebody took Tom Hill's father and made Cleveland Brown.

3140
02:49:34,440 --> 02:49:36,400
Speaker 5: So when I tell the story, y'all can put Cleveland

3141
02:49:36,440 --> 02:49:40,200
Speaker 5: Brown in your head. So, so, his dad used to

3142
02:49:40,240 --> 02:49:43,640
Speaker 5: have all these records, all these jazz records, all these

3143
02:49:43,680 --> 02:49:47,960
Speaker 5: different kind of records, and we'd be in there and

3144
02:49:48,360 --> 02:49:50,200
Speaker 5: and I'm looking at his records, and he would come

3145
02:49:50,240 --> 02:49:52,039
Speaker 5: and he every time I would go there, he would

3146
02:49:52,040 --> 02:49:55,880
Speaker 5: be going to work. Okay, Tom, okay, crime, don't be

3147
02:49:56,000 --> 02:49:56,880
Speaker 5: touching my records.

3148
02:49:57,280 --> 02:49:59,520
Speaker 2: Held leave and so soon as he close the door, like,

3149
02:49:59,560 --> 02:50:02,320
Speaker 2: don't see that record. And I played so one record

3150
02:50:02,320 --> 02:50:10,520
Speaker 2: I played. I put it on. I was like, Yo,

3151
02:50:10,720 --> 02:50:12,920
Speaker 2: what is this. I said, hold up, my dad just bought.

3152
02:50:12,959 --> 02:50:15,240
Speaker 2: I said, I need that record. He's like, yo, my

3153
02:50:15,360 --> 02:50:17,640
Speaker 2: dad is gonna kill I said, I need that record. Man.

3154
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:21,600
Speaker 5: He said, well, I said, yo, Papa just went to work.

3155
02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:23,560
Speaker 5: He don't he don't know what's going to be going.

3156
02:50:24,520 --> 02:50:28,840
Speaker 5: He said, just wait, just wait. So flash forward. I

3157
02:50:28,959 --> 02:50:31,040
Speaker 5: knew how I wanted to use that record, and I

3158
02:50:31,120 --> 02:50:33,560
Speaker 5: did the whole beat in my head. I use a

3159
02:50:33,640 --> 02:50:37,080
Speaker 5: piece of James Brown funky drummer, I use a piece

3160
02:50:37,120 --> 02:50:41,360
Speaker 5: of the staple singers, no, no, no, no no. I

3161
02:50:41,480 --> 02:50:44,680
Speaker 5: knew I wanted to use that sample. I didn't remember

3162
02:50:44,760 --> 02:50:47,560
Speaker 5: the name of the record. I knew it was a

3163
02:50:48,360 --> 02:50:52,440
Speaker 5: Bob James record with a ladybug on the cover. That's

3164
02:50:52,440 --> 02:50:54,720
Speaker 5: all I said, the Ladybug record. That's what I called it.

3165
02:50:55,959 --> 02:50:58,760
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna get that record. So and I didn't

3166
02:50:58,760 --> 02:51:00,920
Speaker 5: remember an artist name either. I just knew the Lady Bug.

3167
02:51:02,320 --> 02:51:04,920
Speaker 5: So I thought about the best of the beat. I

3168
02:51:05,000 --> 02:51:06,760
Speaker 5: wrote the rhymes, and then I called to him. I

3169
02:51:06,800 --> 02:51:09,520
Speaker 5: was like, Yo, when's your dad going to work? Because

3170
02:51:09,560 --> 02:51:10,520
Speaker 5: I had studio time.

3171
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:13,440
Speaker 2: So but you do didn't have the record? No, I said,

3172
02:51:13,480 --> 02:51:16,039
Speaker 2: what time your dad going to work? He's like six,

3173
02:51:16,600 --> 02:51:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be there six fifteen. I went to his house,

3174
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:21,720
Speaker 2: I said, give me my record. I jacked the record,

3175
02:51:22,600 --> 02:51:25,240
Speaker 2: went to the studio because he worked over nights.

3176
02:51:25,800 --> 02:51:28,360
Speaker 5: I went to the studio, sampled it and gave it,

3177
02:51:28,600 --> 02:51:32,039
Speaker 5: gave him back the record before before the record before

3178
02:51:32,080 --> 02:51:33,880
Speaker 5: his pops came home, before his pops even knew it.

3179
02:51:34,200 --> 02:51:35,959
Speaker 2: That's how I got That's how I sampled that record

3180
02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:37,400
Speaker 2: and made the rhythm. Jius.

3181
02:51:39,560 --> 02:51:41,720
Speaker 5: I think I gave the record back. I think I

3182
02:51:41,840 --> 02:51:44,200
Speaker 5: gave the record. I can't so if I didn't give

3183
02:51:44,200 --> 02:51:46,400
Speaker 5: a record record, mister Waynam, I'm sorry.

3184
02:51:47,640 --> 02:51:49,840
Speaker 2: I was hearing you or I was hearing you on

3185
02:51:49,920 --> 02:51:51,560
Speaker 2: a show right, and I believe it.

3186
02:51:52,640 --> 02:51:56,040
Speaker 1: It was something like Uh, I wish I would have

3187
02:51:56,120 --> 02:51:57,640
Speaker 1: said things that I wish I would have said, or

3188
02:51:57,680 --> 02:52:01,320
Speaker 1: something like that, right, all things that like, Right, is

3189
02:52:01,400 --> 02:52:03,840
Speaker 1: there something that is there something that you wish you

3190
02:52:03,879 --> 02:52:04,360
Speaker 1: would have did?

3191
02:52:04,640 --> 02:52:07,560
Speaker 2: Is this something that you regret?

3192
02:52:08,000 --> 02:52:11,120
Speaker 5: Perhaps, well, back to back to what we were saying earlier,

3193
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:12,760
Speaker 5: I wish I had a line of pokono.

3194
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:16,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, merch merch, And I wish

3195
02:52:16,560 --> 02:52:19,039
Speaker 2: I would have see.

3196
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:22,840
Speaker 5: I can't say I wish because I think I can

3197
02:52:22,879 --> 02:52:26,600
Speaker 5: say I wish I had somebody to teach me what

3198
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:31,480
Speaker 5: I know now. But at the same time, I don't

3199
02:52:31,480 --> 02:52:34,960
Speaker 5: have any any regrets because everything that happened to me,

3200
02:52:35,080 --> 02:52:39,440
Speaker 5: good and bad, allowed me to be at this podcast today.

3201
02:52:39,680 --> 02:52:43,760
Speaker 5: Everything led up to this. And I'm not I'm not

3202
02:52:44,600 --> 02:52:47,560
Speaker 5: glazing or nothing. I'm telling y'all the truth. Everything led

3203
02:52:47,640 --> 02:52:50,080
Speaker 5: up to this because this was a podcast that I've

3204
02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:51,040
Speaker 5: always wanted to be on.

3205
02:52:52,680 --> 02:52:58,240
Speaker 2: This is your show. Continue, I'm sorry, And and.

3206
02:53:00,080 --> 02:53:03,400
Speaker 5: I had a list of goals, and this podcast was

3207
02:53:03,440 --> 02:53:06,720
Speaker 5: on the list of goals. It wasn't and it wasn't

3208
02:53:06,840 --> 02:53:09,960
Speaker 5: like and it's on my studio wall. I'll DM you

3209
02:53:10,040 --> 02:53:17,280
Speaker 5: a picture. And and I know that we connected on

3210
02:53:17,400 --> 02:53:18,640
Speaker 5: the toy toy level.

3211
02:53:18,520 --> 02:53:20,640
Speaker 2: Thing and everything. We gotta speak about the toys. But

3212
02:53:20,920 --> 02:53:24,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't no thing where it was like to be

3213
02:53:24,080 --> 02:53:25,480
Speaker 2: on your show. Can I be able to show anything

3214
02:53:25,520 --> 02:53:27,760
Speaker 2: like that? I wanted? I wanted to earn a slot. No,

3215
02:53:28,160 --> 02:53:31,440
Speaker 2: we requested you. You didn't have to earn a slight

3216
02:53:32,480 --> 02:53:33,200
Speaker 2: already long ter.

3217
02:53:35,040 --> 02:53:37,880
Speaker 1: Organically, Yeah, we're gonna make it, you know, like when

3218
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:40,240
Speaker 1: we book guests, right this, this, this has been my

3219
02:53:40,360 --> 02:53:44,000
Speaker 1: most funnest time. Right, Like, sometimes I go to the airport,

3220
02:53:44,120 --> 02:53:46,160
Speaker 1: right and a person will come up to me. One

3221
02:53:46,200 --> 02:53:48,480
Speaker 1: person will know who I am, and another person won't, right,

3222
02:53:48,760 --> 02:53:50,600
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, well, the other person will be like,

3223
02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:51,160
Speaker 1: well who is you?

3224
02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:54,040
Speaker 2: And I'd be like, I can't describe who exactly, Like

3225
02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:56,119
Speaker 2: if you don't know who I am, then your friend

3226
02:53:56,160 --> 02:53:56,600
Speaker 2: should tell you.

3227
02:53:57,480 --> 02:53:59,040
Speaker 1: So when I was doing that, and when I was

3228
02:53:59,160 --> 02:54:01,840
Speaker 1: saying like, you know, up to the weeks of having

3229
02:54:01,879 --> 02:54:03,880
Speaker 1: you booked, and when I kept saying that whenever a

3230
02:54:03,959 --> 02:54:10,040
Speaker 1: person didn't know, I felt so enjoyed. Weighed it down,

3231
02:54:10,200 --> 02:54:12,000
Speaker 1: like I was like, yo, this is you had the

3232
02:54:12,080 --> 02:54:13,800
Speaker 1: whole eraror like, and I was sitting there and I

3233
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:16,920
Speaker 1: was like, I felt so good yea explaining to a

3234
02:54:17,000 --> 02:54:18,840
Speaker 1: person who didn't know I'm trying to tell you.

3235
02:54:19,240 --> 02:54:23,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, so uh so you said you had

3236
02:54:23,040 --> 02:54:23,520
Speaker 2: no regrets.

3237
02:54:23,600 --> 02:54:25,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is no regrets man, because it's like

3238
02:54:26,680 --> 02:54:29,320
Speaker 5: I believe in I believe in that universal law, like

3239
02:54:29,400 --> 02:54:31,600
Speaker 5: everything happens all at once. So it's like you gotta

3240
02:54:32,840 --> 02:54:39,320
Speaker 5: every mistake, every mistake you make leads to a future success, right, period, period.

3241
02:54:39,400 --> 02:54:43,360
Speaker 5: You can go outside tomorrow, break your leg right. I'm

3242
02:54:43,400 --> 02:54:47,120
Speaker 5: not wishing this on you. You're trying to run a marathon. Now,

3243
02:54:47,160 --> 02:54:49,080
Speaker 5: you can't run the manthon you do it, but you

3244
02:54:49,160 --> 02:54:52,600
Speaker 5: found out something crazy happened after Marilon marathon that.

3245
02:54:52,720 --> 02:54:54,880
Speaker 2: Helped you and you couldn't make it in so but

3246
02:54:55,400 --> 02:54:58,240
Speaker 2: you was able to do something bigger. Yeah, but you're.

3247
02:54:58,080 --> 02:55:00,360
Speaker 5: Gonna run the marathon and you're gonna do all the way.

3248
02:55:00,440 --> 02:55:06,720
Speaker 5: So so that's what I believe. I just believe that

3249
02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:10,560
Speaker 5: everything leads to a point, you know, and and so

3250
02:55:10,720 --> 02:55:12,560
Speaker 5: I can never I don't look backwards.

3251
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:14,880
Speaker 2: The only thing, the only thing I look back on.

3252
02:55:16,200 --> 02:55:17,720
Speaker 2: I will say this. I say this regret.

3253
02:55:18,760 --> 02:55:22,440
Speaker 5: I allowed management and record labels to tell me what

3254
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:24,720
Speaker 5: hip hop was supposed to do and where hip hop

3255
02:55:24,920 --> 02:55:28,160
Speaker 5: was going, and I didn't pay attention to it.

3256
02:55:28,640 --> 02:55:32,039
Speaker 2: So for example, yourself, Yeah, I'm not I'm not.

3257
02:55:32,120 --> 02:55:36,240
Speaker 5: Listening to myself. So I'll give you a perfect example.

3258
02:55:39,920 --> 02:55:47,640
Speaker 5: Low end theory comes out question and fellow queens, We're

3259
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:51,440
Speaker 5: in the studio making an album and it's you know,

3260
02:55:52,360 --> 02:55:56,560
Speaker 5: happy dancing type of hip hop, and then somebody brings

3261
02:55:56,600 --> 02:55:58,920
Speaker 5: the low end theory and they play it.

3262
02:55:59,840 --> 02:56:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, this shit is the truth.

3263
02:56:03,320 --> 02:56:06,400
Speaker 5: And then listening to somebody for management, that shit is

3264
02:56:06,440 --> 02:56:09,960
Speaker 5: never gonna work. Oh, they're never gonna get on the

3265
02:56:10,080 --> 02:56:12,800
Speaker 5: radio with that. Wow, they're never gonna go on tour

3266
02:56:12,920 --> 02:56:15,440
Speaker 5: with that. They're never gonna get a Grammy with that.

3267
02:56:17,280 --> 02:56:19,200
Speaker 5: And in my mind, I'm like, I am going in

3268
02:56:19,320 --> 02:56:23,400
Speaker 5: the wrong direction. I saw it, you know what I'm saying.

3269
02:56:23,480 --> 02:56:27,880
Speaker 5: So I'm literally cutting my own career short for not

3270
02:56:28,120 --> 02:56:31,680
Speaker 5: paying attention to where hip hop is going. I know

3271
02:56:31,760 --> 02:56:34,200
Speaker 5: where it's going. I'm only nineteen at the time, Like,

3272
02:56:34,280 --> 02:56:37,160
Speaker 5: I'm not in the clouds. I don't see nothing, you know,

3273
02:56:37,320 --> 02:56:38,640
Speaker 5: I'm still on the train.

3274
02:56:38,800 --> 02:56:39,240
Speaker 2: I'm in it.

3275
02:56:40,600 --> 02:56:42,800
Speaker 5: I see that people are stopping to wear suits, stopping

3276
02:56:42,840 --> 02:56:45,440
Speaker 5: the suits and putting on the jabos and the brief

3277
02:56:45,480 --> 02:56:48,720
Speaker 5: and Broccolis and the Snowbeach or whatever I see it.

3278
02:56:49,120 --> 02:56:51,760
Speaker 5: I know what's happening. I know low heads, and I

3279
02:56:51,920 --> 02:56:55,600
Speaker 5: know what's going on. And it could have been an

3280
02:56:55,600 --> 02:56:58,560
Speaker 5: easy transition for me because I could have implemented my

3281
02:56:58,720 --> 02:57:00,760
Speaker 5: thing in with it, because I'm of the age. I'm

3282
02:57:00,760 --> 02:57:03,760
Speaker 5: not an older guy trying to look young. But I'm

3283
02:57:03,800 --> 02:57:04,560
Speaker 5: not paying attention.

3284
02:57:04,680 --> 02:57:08,400
Speaker 2: I'm not listening to myself, and I'm listening to people

3285
02:57:08,480 --> 02:57:10,080
Speaker 2: like you gotta put this singing hook, and you gotta

3286
02:57:10,280 --> 02:57:12,560
Speaker 2: people dance, and the an R and all this kind

3287
02:57:12,600 --> 02:57:14,000
Speaker 2: of stuff. You gotta make it happy.

3288
02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:17,000
Speaker 5: And then the same an R and this, which is

3289
02:57:17,080 --> 02:57:22,000
Speaker 5: funny when that that album, I'm not gonna say it

3290
02:57:22,040 --> 02:57:24,680
Speaker 5: didn't do well. It's my third album called Nasty. They

3291
02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:27,200
Speaker 5: did all right for the time, but it wasn't no

3292
02:57:27,360 --> 02:57:32,760
Speaker 5: low end Theory, you know what I'm saying. It was yeah, yeah, exactly.

3293
02:57:33,520 --> 02:57:36,040
Speaker 5: And then on top of that, so low in Theory

3294
02:57:36,120 --> 02:57:40,680
Speaker 5: comes out, then Nordy comes out, then Ill Manic comes out.

3295
02:57:41,280 --> 02:57:45,600
Speaker 2: And then the an R sit me down and they're like, hey,

3296
02:57:45,760 --> 02:57:47,840
Speaker 2: we're just I think you should toughen it up a

3297
02:57:47,879 --> 02:57:51,200
Speaker 2: little bit, like you he said, you know what, you know,

3298
02:57:51,320 --> 02:57:53,840
Speaker 2: put some braids in that flat type people, you know,

3299
02:57:55,200 --> 02:57:58,880
Speaker 2: like they was literally they literally was telling me this,

3300
02:57:59,240 --> 02:58:01,959
Speaker 2: You're like, you know it was the tough of music. Yeah,

3301
02:58:02,040 --> 02:58:05,520
Speaker 2: like start you know, maybe like there's some Tims in

3302
02:58:05,600 --> 02:58:15,000
Speaker 2: a baseball batch, ain't your cousin? Yeah, yes, exactly. And

3303
02:58:15,280 --> 02:58:17,360
Speaker 2: and at that time he was trying to rap. So

3304
02:58:17,440 --> 02:58:19,880
Speaker 2: we was working, we was working on some stuff. But

3305
02:58:20,959 --> 02:58:25,680
Speaker 2: but it was weird how the flip flop of these

3306
02:58:25,720 --> 02:58:29,840
Speaker 2: record labels was and you know, very interesting.

3307
02:58:29,959 --> 02:58:32,560
Speaker 5: So that was probably my regret not listening to myself

3308
02:58:33,000 --> 02:58:36,560
Speaker 5: and not going with my gut. Even though I'm never

3309
02:58:36,600 --> 02:58:39,000
Speaker 5: going to regret a record that I made, I'm going

3310
02:58:39,080 --> 02:58:42,080
Speaker 5: to regret that I didn't pivot when I had a

3311
02:58:42,240 --> 02:58:43,160
Speaker 5: clear lane.

3312
02:58:42,959 --> 02:58:44,320
Speaker 2: To pivot, you know.

3313
02:58:44,480 --> 02:58:50,600
Speaker 1: So, so like I heard ghost Face say recently, I

3314
02:58:50,640 --> 02:58:51,640
Speaker 1: don't know if it's recently, but.

3315
02:58:51,640 --> 02:58:54,920
Speaker 2: He said that, you know, rapture half categories.

3316
02:58:54,959 --> 02:58:56,920
Speaker 1: It should it should just be just hip hop, like

3317
02:58:57,000 --> 02:58:59,880
Speaker 1: it should be contemporary hip hop maybe maybe all you know,

3318
02:59:00,080 --> 02:59:02,800
Speaker 1: classic hip hop, maybe you know what I mean, new

3319
02:59:02,920 --> 02:59:03,720
Speaker 1: school hip hop.

3320
02:59:04,400 --> 02:59:05,640
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you.

3321
02:59:05,760 --> 02:59:08,120
Speaker 1: Created a genre of hip hop? Because like when you

3322
02:59:08,240 --> 02:59:10,959
Speaker 1: look at look at your music and you look at

3323
02:59:11,720 --> 02:59:14,560
Speaker 1: of your career like it was non threatening. Right now,

3324
02:59:14,600 --> 02:59:16,640
Speaker 1: you got people like par Real who made a whole

3325
02:59:16,680 --> 02:59:17,320
Speaker 1: career off.

3326
02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:19,160
Speaker 2: Of like kind of like being non threatening.

3327
02:59:19,440 --> 02:59:21,560
Speaker 1: And then there's others other people like you know, I

3328
02:59:21,600 --> 02:59:24,080
Speaker 1: would like to say Lupe Fiasco kind of like made

3329
02:59:24,200 --> 02:59:27,240
Speaker 1: his career like being non threatn and so on and

3330
02:59:27,360 --> 02:59:30,600
Speaker 1: so forth. There's like a whole new version of Native Tongue.

3331
02:59:30,800 --> 02:59:32,240
Speaker 1: But I feel like it started with you.

3332
02:59:32,840 --> 02:59:37,240
Speaker 2: I think I think between me and Native Tongue.

3333
02:59:37,280 --> 02:59:41,640
Speaker 5: So say, for example, my album came out two months

3334
02:59:41,680 --> 02:59:45,199
Speaker 5: before Three Feet High and Rise, so eighty nine.

3335
02:59:45,080 --> 02:59:49,560
Speaker 2: You have these two two groups, Three Higher Wise and

3336
02:59:49,600 --> 02:59:53,680
Speaker 2: that's yes, and that really kind of like you know,

3337
02:59:53,720 --> 02:59:57,200
Speaker 2: the Jungle Brothers really ushered it in first, but day

3338
02:59:57,520 --> 02:59:59,640
Speaker 2: really yeah, beld it yeah, And you know.

3339
02:59:59,680 --> 03:00:02,080
Speaker 5: This is a platinum album, this album that's killing it.

3340
03:00:02,680 --> 03:00:07,439
Speaker 5: And I think with Dayli, they spoke to a certain audience,

3341
03:00:07,680 --> 03:00:10,040
Speaker 5: you know, like the afro centric you know, just like

3342
03:00:10,400 --> 03:00:13,320
Speaker 5: the audience, the rap audience that wasn't trying to be

3343
03:00:13,879 --> 03:00:16,879
Speaker 5: status quo. But they weren't trying to be gangsters. They

3344
03:00:16,959 --> 03:00:19,800
Speaker 5: were on their intellectual stuff. They were on their straight

3345
03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:22,480
Speaker 5: hip hop stuff at the same time, no gimmicks it

3346
03:00:22,560 --> 03:00:25,400
Speaker 5: was just raw, like just them being them.

3347
03:00:26,200 --> 03:00:30,680
Speaker 2: And I think I what I represented is more like

3348
03:00:30,800 --> 03:00:35,160
Speaker 2: the nerds and the geeks and all the dudes that

3349
03:00:35,200 --> 03:00:37,640
Speaker 2: were overdressed in school and you know, like.

3350
03:00:39,440 --> 03:00:42,680
Speaker 5: Like I was the younger generation because you always had

3351
03:00:42,720 --> 03:00:53,360
Speaker 5: your cane and like an l like the jocks, and

3352
03:00:53,920 --> 03:00:58,280
Speaker 5: so you know, I represented that. I represented, you know,

3353
03:00:58,400 --> 03:01:01,360
Speaker 5: the kids that may have of love hip hop but

3354
03:01:01,440 --> 03:01:03,879
Speaker 5: didn't fit in with that whole gangster say at all.

3355
03:01:04,720 --> 03:01:09,800
Speaker 5: And I think that DNA spilled into a Kanye for sure,

3356
03:01:09,920 --> 03:01:12,400
Speaker 5: Like you'll see footage of twelve year old Kanye dressed

3357
03:01:12,440 --> 03:01:17,359
Speaker 5: like me, you know what I'm saying, and or Pharrell

3358
03:01:18,160 --> 03:01:21,279
Speaker 5: or you know, Pharrell will credit tried.

3359
03:01:21,400 --> 03:01:23,680
Speaker 2: But I just think that still there's a lot of

3360
03:01:24,160 --> 03:01:26,840
Speaker 2: things that I've done. I see.

3361
03:01:29,080 --> 03:01:32,640
Speaker 5: There's a lot of even I know this for a fact,

3362
03:01:32,680 --> 03:01:37,480
Speaker 5: a lot of of ways that puff with maneuver, like

3363
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:41,640
Speaker 5: as far as clothing and and and showman ship and

3364
03:01:41,680 --> 03:01:43,200
Speaker 5: stuff like that. I know for a fact he got

3365
03:01:43,280 --> 03:01:49,440
Speaker 5: from what I was doing. And then those those artists,

3366
03:01:49,440 --> 03:01:52,320
Speaker 5: that's another generation. They begat another generation under. So you

3367
03:01:52,400 --> 03:01:55,320
Speaker 5: have rappers out here now they don't understand that they

3368
03:01:55,400 --> 03:02:00,000
Speaker 5: still carry my DNA they may take its from something else.

3369
03:02:00,160 --> 03:02:02,279
Speaker 2: But you know that was so I think.

3370
03:02:02,520 --> 03:02:07,199
Speaker 1: Somebody, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like you like, motherfucker.

3371
03:02:07,480 --> 03:02:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, trust me. There's been a time there

3372
03:02:10,920 --> 03:02:14,360
Speaker 2: was these kids in New York called the Retro Kids.

3373
03:02:15,160 --> 03:02:18,000
Speaker 5: This is like mid two thousands, and they were dressed

3374
03:02:18,040 --> 03:02:20,160
Speaker 5: like old school and they would have on pokad ice.

3375
03:02:20,200 --> 03:02:22,760
Speaker 5: They were the flat tops, the whole nine. This is

3376
03:02:22,840 --> 03:02:27,400
Speaker 5: like two thousand and five, two thousand six, Yeah, but

3377
03:02:27,560 --> 03:02:33,039
Speaker 5: that era. Yeah, And I would walk down the street

3378
03:02:33,040 --> 03:02:33,840
Speaker 5: and I would see him.

3379
03:02:33,720 --> 03:02:35,640
Speaker 2: Like, Yo, that's some dope stuff. It's like, yeah, man,

3380
03:02:35,680 --> 03:02:37,039
Speaker 2: we got this at the business. So it's like where

3381
03:02:37,160 --> 03:02:38,840
Speaker 2: y'all what y'all got it from. It's like, yeah, that's

3382
03:02:39,600 --> 03:02:42,039
Speaker 2: ninety that's the ninety style. I'm like where that's dope.

3383
03:02:42,320 --> 03:02:43,320
Speaker 2: And I was just walking by him.

3384
03:02:43,360 --> 03:02:46,199
Speaker 5: It was like these fools don't not you know, nothing

3385
03:02:46,440 --> 03:02:48,400
Speaker 5: nothing against it. But then some of them did know.

3386
03:02:48,800 --> 03:02:50,360
Speaker 5: You know, there was times that one of them like

3387
03:02:50,400 --> 03:02:52,320
Speaker 5: wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, you know,

3388
03:02:52,760 --> 03:02:55,680
Speaker 5: so shouts out to those those cats. But there was

3389
03:02:55,760 --> 03:03:00,640
Speaker 5: a subculture in New York, not necessarily like the Retro

3390
03:03:00,800 --> 03:03:02,800
Speaker 5: Kids that was the name of the crew, but there

3391
03:03:02,920 --> 03:03:05,520
Speaker 5: was a subculture of retro kids that just didn't know

3392
03:03:05,640 --> 03:03:08,360
Speaker 5: and they would dress like that and have no idea

3393
03:03:08,440 --> 03:03:09,840
Speaker 5: where they got it from or anything.

3394
03:03:09,920 --> 03:03:15,240
Speaker 2: So I think it's dope. All right. Well ship man, Uh, well,

3395
03:03:15,320 --> 03:03:19,400
Speaker 2: the toys we gotta talk about, you know, we gotta

3396
03:03:19,400 --> 03:03:22,880
Speaker 2: talk about the toys and the album. So let's go.

3397
03:03:23,160 --> 03:03:25,560
Speaker 2: I want to you know, I'm a heavy toy collector

3398
03:03:25,600 --> 03:03:28,199
Speaker 2: and everything, yes, and so I wanted to give y'all

3399
03:03:29,360 --> 03:03:33,280
Speaker 2: with who's the only black guy and toys? David David

3400
03:03:34,840 --> 03:03:36,880
Speaker 2: give a shout out to David Varner because the toy

3401
03:03:37,000 --> 03:03:48,720
Speaker 2: industry is you autographed mons to you're talking about together,

3402
03:03:49,720 --> 03:03:52,600
Speaker 2: So so you got you got. Those are both for

3403
03:03:52,680 --> 03:03:56,840
Speaker 2: the audition, but so big shots to Dave.

3404
03:03:57,040 --> 03:03:57,280
Speaker 6: Dave.

3405
03:03:58,520 --> 03:04:01,560
Speaker 2: Dave is a pioneer in the toy industry. He's a

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03:04:01,680 --> 03:04:04,760
Speaker 2: good friend of mine in my age range, and he's

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Speaker 2: a pioneer.

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Speaker 5: He started out at Marvel Comics when we went to

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03:04:07,560 --> 03:04:09,800
Speaker 5: this toy company called Toy Business. He's the reason why

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03:04:09,879 --> 03:04:14,640
Speaker 5: we have the toy collection called Marvel Legends, and so

3411
03:04:14,800 --> 03:04:18,720
Speaker 5: this is some toy nerd stuff going on. And he

3412
03:04:18,879 --> 03:04:21,359
Speaker 5: moved through ranks and he moved to different toy companies

3413
03:04:21,360 --> 03:04:23,360
Speaker 5: and now he has his own toy factory. He has

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Speaker 5: his own toy company as well. So he's a real

3415
03:04:26,640 --> 03:04:30,120
Speaker 5: pioneer and it's something that I always wanted to get into.

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03:04:30,840 --> 03:04:34,280
Speaker 5: So so I co founded a company called LBO. Let's

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Speaker 5: be honest, and you know, our mission is to create toys,

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03:04:38,800 --> 03:04:40,840
Speaker 5: some of them which are very hip hop based. Like

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03:04:40,920 --> 03:04:43,840
Speaker 5: we have this toy line about to come out, and

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03:04:43,879 --> 03:04:47,280
Speaker 5: it's very hip hop based, but it puts people that

3421
03:04:47,360 --> 03:04:50,960
Speaker 5: look like us, all of us on shelves just as

3422
03:04:51,040 --> 03:04:54,680
Speaker 5: much as we see Captain America and Batman and Superman.

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03:04:55,200 --> 03:04:59,080
Speaker 5: So you know, that's really our mission and and and

3424
03:04:59,360 --> 03:05:02,840
Speaker 5: so like I'm real heavy into that space and it

3425
03:05:02,920 --> 03:05:05,280
Speaker 5: helps me get up, get away from the stress of music.

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03:05:05,480 --> 03:05:07,480
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, because once you know, when you're doing music,

3427
03:05:07,600 --> 03:05:09,600
Speaker 5: you know, everything is a political game.

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03:05:09,959 --> 03:05:12,800
Speaker 2: You gotta start maneuvering in ways. It's not as pure

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03:05:12,920 --> 03:05:14,760
Speaker 2: as it used to be.

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Speaker 5: But you go to a comic con or another kind

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03:05:18,320 --> 03:05:21,720
Speaker 5: of toy convention or whatever, ain't nobody thinking about none

3432
03:05:21,800 --> 03:05:25,440
Speaker 5: but buying the exclusive stuff and seeing what's coming out,

3433
03:05:25,680 --> 03:05:29,199
Speaker 5: And it takes me back to that that pure period

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03:05:29,240 --> 03:05:29,560
Speaker 5: of time.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Okay, so now you said the new album. Yeah,

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03:05:34,040 --> 03:05:35,680
Speaker 1: it's your first album in twenty six years.

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03:05:36,640 --> 03:05:36,920
Speaker 2: Please.

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03:05:37,120 --> 03:05:39,400
Speaker 5: So this is the album I got like a bag

3439
03:05:39,480 --> 03:05:41,400
Speaker 5: of tricks over the Holy Morning. So this is the

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03:05:41,440 --> 03:05:42,760
Speaker 5: album called The Different Kids.

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03:05:42,879 --> 03:05:46,240
Speaker 2: Oh, the album is amazing man, now, thank you.

3442
03:05:47,640 --> 03:05:49,920
Speaker 5: And this album, like if you zoom in on it,

3443
03:05:50,160 --> 03:05:52,240
Speaker 5: it represents a lot of different things. You got nineteen

3444
03:05:52,280 --> 03:05:53,320
Speaker 5: eighty nine to me right there.

3445
03:05:53,400 --> 03:05:55,800
Speaker 2: I won't say different bases of you. Yeah, yeah, you got.

3446
03:05:56,400 --> 03:05:58,160
Speaker 5: I don't know me just trying to be fly online

3447
03:05:58,240 --> 03:06:01,040
Speaker 5: or whatever right then, you know me shilling up, but

3448
03:06:01,160 --> 03:06:04,240
Speaker 5: the producer me and then the current artist version of me.

3449
03:06:04,600 --> 03:06:07,520
Speaker 5: But the whip that I'm sitting on is the Star

3450
03:06:07,600 --> 03:06:10,600
Speaker 5: Wars Landsfeeder. People don't understand, like I got to bring

3451
03:06:10,680 --> 03:06:13,480
Speaker 5: that geek culture in here too. So shout out to

3452
03:06:13,600 --> 03:06:18,800
Speaker 5: amazing artists and DC named me a Duval. Yeah it

3453
03:06:18,959 --> 03:06:23,560
Speaker 5: is so Mia Duval did this artwork for the Different Kids.

3454
03:06:23,800 --> 03:06:24,320
Speaker 2: It's out now.

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03:06:24,360 --> 03:06:26,720
Speaker 5: It just came out in August, so you know, and

3456
03:06:26,840 --> 03:06:29,600
Speaker 5: I think I love this album. I think a lot

3457
03:06:29,640 --> 03:06:31,920
Speaker 5: of people tell me it's my best work. And I

3458
03:06:31,959 --> 03:06:33,840
Speaker 5: don't think that it's not a glazy either. I think

3459
03:06:34,800 --> 03:06:38,680
Speaker 5: for the first time since I was sixteen, I made

3460
03:06:38,720 --> 03:06:40,519
Speaker 5: an album without any expectation.

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03:06:41,720 --> 03:06:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made it in a small room in my house.

3462
03:06:46,040 --> 03:06:46,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a.

3463
03:06:46,920 --> 03:06:49,480
Speaker 5: Glorious studio or anything, just a small room in my crib.

3464
03:06:49,920 --> 03:06:53,720
Speaker 5: And I put the album together and it's on my

3465
03:06:53,800 --> 03:07:00,400
Speaker 5: own label, distributed through Virgin Records and label called SRG.

3466
03:07:00,720 --> 03:07:02,480
Speaker 3: And you know.

3467
03:07:04,000 --> 03:07:06,040
Speaker 5: I have You know, I had no expectations about it,

3468
03:07:06,440 --> 03:07:07,920
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Put out some records and

3469
03:07:07,920 --> 03:07:10,840
Speaker 5: see what happens. Because I like producing, I like producing myself,

3470
03:07:10,879 --> 03:07:11,400
Speaker 5: I like rapping.

3471
03:07:11,480 --> 03:07:12,240
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens.

3472
03:07:12,640 --> 03:07:16,040
Speaker 5: And I put out two singles at the same time,

3473
03:07:16,360 --> 03:07:20,080
Speaker 5: one called Miss Mary Mack and another single called Hello Anybody.

3474
03:07:20,400 --> 03:07:26,640
Speaker 2: And you know, like I'm getting all TV.

3475
03:07:26,520 --> 03:07:29,000
Speaker 5: Shows, I'm getting all you know, the news, I'm doing

3476
03:07:29,160 --> 03:07:30,280
Speaker 5: podcast I'm doing stuff that.

3477
03:07:30,240 --> 03:07:33,760
Speaker 2: I would have never been doing normally. I'm on a

3478
03:07:33,840 --> 03:07:35,840
Speaker 2: promo run, you know what I'm saying.

3479
03:07:35,959 --> 03:07:40,040
Speaker 5: And at the same time, I'm coming from a perspective

3480
03:07:40,160 --> 03:07:43,279
Speaker 5: of where I am now as a person, as as

3481
03:07:43,280 --> 03:07:46,120
Speaker 5: a man in his fifties with a family. You know,

3482
03:07:46,680 --> 03:07:51,920
Speaker 5: I'm rhyming from that perspective. I'm giving stories about Yeah,

3483
03:07:52,040 --> 03:07:54,800
Speaker 5: like I'm growing. I'm not trying to be sixteen year

3484
03:07:54,840 --> 03:08:01,560
Speaker 5: old me. Yea, yeah, like I'm putting my And that

3485
03:08:01,720 --> 03:08:04,040
Speaker 5: was the thing about the beats. It was like, nobody

3486
03:08:04,160 --> 03:08:05,920
Speaker 5: has to tell me I need to be on the radio.

3487
03:08:06,480 --> 03:08:08,640
Speaker 5: Nobody needs to nobody's telling me I got to be

3488
03:08:08,760 --> 03:08:11,360
Speaker 5: in the club. I gotta make this trap beat to

3489
03:08:11,440 --> 03:08:14,280
Speaker 5: fit in. I'm just making beats and as raw as

3490
03:08:14,280 --> 03:08:16,840
Speaker 5: the beats are, that and if you know how it

3491
03:08:16,920 --> 03:08:18,640
Speaker 5: is you here, don't bet you wanted to start rhyming.

3492
03:08:19,360 --> 03:08:20,880
Speaker 5: If I'm making a beat and make me want to

3493
03:08:20,920 --> 03:08:22,840
Speaker 5: start rhyming, that's going to be on the album. And

3494
03:08:22,920 --> 03:08:27,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna and I'm gonna rhyme about something. Every record

3495
03:08:27,200 --> 03:08:29,200
Speaker 5: is about something, and I'm not just gonna just be

3496
03:08:29,760 --> 03:08:33,520
Speaker 5: talking about you know, like I'm back. You know, I'm

3497
03:08:33,560 --> 03:08:35,600
Speaker 5: not doing none of that or you know I used

3498
03:08:35,640 --> 03:08:37,640
Speaker 5: to do this. I was down back in the day.

3499
03:08:37,920 --> 03:08:40,680
Speaker 5: Like it's none of that kind of stuff. So you know,

3500
03:08:40,720 --> 03:08:42,760
Speaker 5: I really love this album, you know, And I'm gonna

3501
03:08:43,160 --> 03:08:45,280
Speaker 5: I'm gonna promote and push the hell out of the.

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03:08:45,320 --> 03:08:51,400
Speaker 2: Album, you know, like keep going the different kids out.

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03:08:51,520 --> 03:08:51,640
Speaker 3: Now.

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03:08:53,680 --> 03:08:54,560
Speaker 2: It's a two part question.

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03:08:54,600 --> 03:08:57,560
Speaker 1: You got an American Music Award and you was adducted

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03:08:57,640 --> 03:08:58,640
Speaker 1: to the hip Hop Hall of Fame.

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03:09:00,240 --> 03:09:02,360
Speaker 2: But I didn't get an American Music Award. You didn't

3508
03:09:02,360 --> 03:09:08,119
Speaker 2: get my record is switch Switch Switch got an American

3509
03:09:08,200 --> 03:09:11,240
Speaker 2: Music Award, so I guess I get one by default

3510
03:09:11,640 --> 03:09:18,480
Speaker 2: like that. But it was, you know, and if I'm

3511
03:09:18,520 --> 03:09:19,599
Speaker 2: not mistaken.

3512
03:09:20,680 --> 03:09:25,200
Speaker 5: Lloyd Banks on Fire, either Lloyd Banks or Christina Aguiler,

3513
03:09:25,320 --> 03:09:27,560
Speaker 5: one of them or both of them got Grammy nominations,

3514
03:09:27,600 --> 03:09:29,800
Speaker 5: so I could I could claim that if I wanted to.

3515
03:09:30,720 --> 03:09:33,160
Speaker 5: But then the Hip Hop Hall of Fame, as a

3516
03:09:33,240 --> 03:09:37,520
Speaker 5: hip hop museum in Washington, DC, did an induction ceremony,

3517
03:09:37,600 --> 03:09:41,119
Speaker 5: and I thought it was dope for me because one,

3518
03:09:41,520 --> 03:09:42,879
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't think I was gonna be put

3519
03:09:42,920 --> 03:09:45,280
Speaker 5: up in a museum, Like I'm like, can you tell somebody,

3520
03:09:46,080 --> 03:09:49,400
Speaker 5: But the people that were inducted at the same time,

3521
03:09:49,440 --> 03:09:52,560
Speaker 5: it was myself, it was getting played, It was her

3522
03:09:52,680 --> 03:09:59,440
Speaker 5: beloved bug, it was Dana Dane, and everybody who had

3523
03:09:59,560 --> 03:10:04,080
Speaker 5: something to do with who I am was all there

3524
03:10:04,160 --> 03:10:07,400
Speaker 5: at the same time. I'm talking about down to Ron

3525
03:10:07,520 --> 03:10:09,520
Speaker 5: Lawrence was there and like you know, and I had

3526
03:10:09,560 --> 03:10:11,640
Speaker 5: to thank him. I was able to personally thank him

3527
03:10:11,680 --> 03:10:15,760
Speaker 5: for helping me get into position that I'm in. This guy,

3528
03:10:15,879 --> 03:10:17,920
Speaker 5: my boy named Dana. We call him Dana Dumb. The

3529
03:10:18,000 --> 03:10:20,200
Speaker 5: guy who taught me how to use an NPC was

3530
03:10:20,240 --> 03:10:22,120
Speaker 5: in the audience, and I got to I haven't seen

3531
03:10:22,160 --> 03:10:26,040
Speaker 5: him since the day he taught me to call him

3532
03:10:26,080 --> 03:10:30,279
Speaker 5: Dana dumb And yeah, no, Dana's super.

3533
03:10:30,080 --> 03:10:32,040
Speaker 2: Nasty with the beast, but he taught me how to

3534
03:10:32,160 --> 03:10:33,920
Speaker 2: use it, and I was like, I was able to

3535
03:10:34,200 --> 03:10:37,240
Speaker 2: personally thank him. You know, I have family that I

3536
03:10:37,320 --> 03:10:38,840
Speaker 2: was able to acknowledge.

3537
03:10:39,280 --> 03:10:43,000
Speaker 5: I haven't seen Herbie Lovebug in I haven't seen Herbie

3538
03:10:43,000 --> 03:10:45,760
Speaker 5: love Bug since the nineties, No, two thousand and one,

3539
03:10:45,840 --> 03:10:48,400
Speaker 5: I haven't seen him. So I was able to see Herbie.

3540
03:10:48,840 --> 03:10:53,160
Speaker 5: You know his younger brother, Steve, who put me with Herbie.

3541
03:10:53,240 --> 03:10:54,880
Speaker 5: You know, we all went to school together.

3542
03:10:55,600 --> 03:11:00,080
Speaker 2: You know, I'm seeing I'm literally seeing my neighborhood and

3543
03:11:00,280 --> 03:11:02,840
Speaker 2: being inducted into a Hall of Fame at the same time.

3544
03:11:03,040 --> 03:11:04,400
Speaker 2: So it was bigger. It was for me.

3545
03:11:04,480 --> 03:11:07,760
Speaker 5: It was way bigger than what I was getting. I'm like, yo,

3546
03:11:07,959 --> 03:11:11,120
Speaker 5: we'll all hear at once. Only people that ain't here

3547
03:11:11,160 --> 03:11:12,800
Speaker 5: with us, and they couldn't make it with salt and pepper.

3548
03:11:12,800 --> 03:11:14,720
Speaker 5: And I'm like, dag if that would have been the

3549
03:11:14,959 --> 03:11:17,360
Speaker 5: sweet tea was there answering that was this? So the

3550
03:11:17,440 --> 03:11:22,560
Speaker 5: first person I ever even produced was there? Yeah, So

3551
03:11:22,640 --> 03:11:25,840
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, this is like the mega full circle

3552
03:11:25,920 --> 03:11:26,480
Speaker 5: moment for me.

3553
03:11:26,840 --> 03:11:28,880
Speaker 2: So it was dope. Are you a super legend?

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03:11:28,959 --> 03:11:29,080
Speaker 1: Man?

3555
03:11:29,120 --> 03:11:34,880
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03:11:36,360 --> 03:11:37,000
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