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Speaker 1: a million ways we could go with today's show, because

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Speaker 1: last night's game was so it wasn't even mid It

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Speaker 1: actually lived down to everything Jason Stewart has said about

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Speaker 1: the failings of the National Football League right where Itch

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Speaker 1: is like, people keep watching and it's just not that

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Speaker 1: good a product. Game did not feel like it was

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Speaker 1: in question. We can get to a little bit of

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Speaker 1: love for Dak Prescott, who has I think, without any question,

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Speaker 1: though none of this is the playoff games. They're not

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Speaker 1: going to the playoffs likely this year. To me, the

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Speaker 1: discussion is over the Raiders. It's over the Raiders. I

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Speaker 1: have a on of personal knowledge of the Raiders. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've had family members work for the Raiders over the years,

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Speaker 1: and you know, like Telesco, who joins us on a

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Speaker 1: weekly basis, he was the gentle manager of the Raiders

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Speaker 1: for a year. And I think that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: biggest issue the Raiders since two thousand and two, okay,

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Speaker 1: or really, if you want to go, since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one when John Gruden left. The next year, Bill

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Speaker 1: Callahan took them to a Super Bowl and they won

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Speaker 1: eleven games since then. Since then, and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the last twenty three years, they've had two double digit

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Speaker 1: win seasons. And here's the kicker. They haven't had any

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Speaker 1: nine win seasons. They've only had four eight win seasons.

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Speaker 1: So once you think about this for the last twenty

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Speaker 1: three years, last twenty three years, the Oakland Raiders, who

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Speaker 1: Nation Football League, I mean, this is just crazy. They've

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Speaker 1: had six seasons of five hundred or better. It seems

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Speaker 1: almost impossible to be that bad, right, They're not average,

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Speaker 1: they're below average. Most team in the leagues finished between

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Speaker 1: seven and nine, nine and seven. Remember, now, only do

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Speaker 1: they only have those four eight win seasons during that

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Speaker 1: And you're like, wait, now, you're kind of nickeling diamond. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. Most teams in the NFL finished between seven

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Speaker 1: they finished with seven wins or more? How is that possible?

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Speaker 1: How is that level of bad luck slash miss management possible?

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Speaker 1: And it's not like the end, they've had, you know,

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Speaker 1: they've had some curious coaching decisions. They did have John

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Speaker 1: to one of their double digit win season, their twelve

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Speaker 1: Bless you Dan Byer. Bless you Dan Byer. Bless you

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Speaker 1: Dan Byers. Is that another one? Okay? Do you go

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Speaker 1: That's most people go three. Don't you guys go three?

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Speaker 1: I'm a three guy. If it goes over that third seed, sneeze.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say this, I'm rare, but I do know

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Speaker 1: It's like a quick rabbit one for you. YEA, mine

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Speaker 1: But again, I want you to think about this. It's

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Speaker 1: perfect example, and I'll grant you McDaniels. It didn't work, Pierce.

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Speaker 1: And obviously part of it was it was getting closer

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Speaker 1: This is what it looks like. This is that's five contractors.

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Speaker 1: But I mean in terms of how much the Raiders

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Speaker 1: And it's not for a lack of trying. It's not

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Speaker 1: for an owner who you know, previously didn't have any money.

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Speaker 1: They have money since moving to Vegas. They've just had way, way, way, way, way.

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Speaker 1: Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians, and too many

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Speaker 1: twenty three. That's unbelievable, unbelievable. But the Raiders went from

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Speaker 1: you know, when Gruden was there the first time, it

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Speaker 1: how many good people have not been able to figure

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Speaker 1: can figure out the rebscue for somebody else. I mean, Dan,

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Speaker 1: Dan and I, but generally about twenty five years. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you said that you don't think that it's ownership,

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Speaker 2: but I do like that's the constant, because what else

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Speaker 2: could you blame it on. Right, They've tried so many

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Speaker 2: different things, and maybe it's because they've stuck with certain

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Speaker 2: I think that ownership and Mark Davis are trying so

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Speaker 2: and I know they're going to need time to build

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Speaker 2: a roster, but realistically, the game may have passed Pete

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Speaker 1: Hold me, let me, let me ask you a question, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about his incredibly conservative nature as a coach.

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Speaker 1: So what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, talking about yeah, a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, correct, Who's been the best team in the NFL

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Speaker 1: the past two years? Fair to say the Eagles?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean the other team would be the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: And the honestly honesty was last year in the regular season,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs were extremely conservative offensively right, because their offense

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Speaker 1: So I understand what you're saying and that it may

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Speaker 1: have passed them by. It may have, but we have

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about going forward on fourth down. I'm

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Speaker 2: not talking about punting it in that situation. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about that everything Like for Pete Carroll, the whole mantra

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Speaker 2: for Pete Carroll's entire career has been compete. And again

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Speaker 2: this is a small part of this twenty five year

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Speaker 2: window that you're talking about. Pete Carroll wants to win everything.

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Speaker 2: He wants to win at everything, whether they have the

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Speaker 2: pieces or not. So they're likely going to max out

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Speaker 2: to do their things now. I don't think that it's

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Speaker 2: a surprise that the Seahawks roster has turned into pretty

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Speaker 2: good roster since Pete Carroll gone, yes, and trying to

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Speaker 2: find an identity of being who you are. And this

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Speaker 2: about to find out that's just the case over these

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Speaker 2: next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 5: Fools Gold Bears are fools Gold. Yes, stan Byer.

431
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is running around, running for his life at

432
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Speaker 2: some times throwing rocket balls, as Mike Holmgren used to

433
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Speaker 2: call them. But there isn't They are running the ball

434
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Speaker 2: better like Swift and and young Guy are a much

435
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Speaker 2: better duo then maybe we would have thought at the

436
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Speaker 2: beginning of the season. I think they have a better

437
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Speaker 2: run game. But for all of the tweets that we

438
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Speaker 2: see Bears on top of the division first time since

439
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, Adam Schefter sent one of those today, they're

440
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Speaker 2: on top of the division via record, But I don't

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Speaker 2: think as a team they are the best team in

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Speaker 2: the NFC North by a long shot.

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Speaker 1: No can I mean catching First of all, I completely

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Speaker 1: agree with you completely. It's one of the things that

445
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Speaker 1: drives me crazy about the NFL that we do in

446
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Speaker 1: college football but we refuse to do in the NFL,

447
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Speaker 1: which is take schedule into play all right, We just

448
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Speaker 1: don't you know, Bears wins are over the Cowboys, the Raiders,

449
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Speaker 1: the Commanders, the Saints, the Bengals, the Giants, the Vikings.

450
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Speaker 1: Those are the wins are any of those playoff teams? No, No,

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Speaker 1: So does it take away from the fact that last

452
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Speaker 1: year they couldn't beat the non playoff teams. No, Listen,

453
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Speaker 1: it would be fair to say, hey, the last couple

454
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Speaker 1: of years they couldn't beat anybody playoffs, non play so

455
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Speaker 1: it's improvement. But let me know after they play the

456
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Speaker 1: Eagles Packers back to back games, how this Bears team looks.

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Speaker 6: And Doug, you and Dan are not, and maybe Jason

458
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Speaker 6: are not. The only ones that are skeptical of the

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Speaker 6: Bears are very own. Jonas Knox, who's been a Bears

460
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Speaker 6: fan of his whole life, I believe a week or

461
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Speaker 6: two ago on the Challenge on NBC here in Los Angeles,

462
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Speaker 6: he said that they were the worst six and three

463
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Speaker 6: team he's ever seen. So put that into consideration that, yeah,

464
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Speaker 6: the record is nice, but it might be fool's gold,

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Speaker 6: as Jason called him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to Jason Stewart take it.

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Speaker 5: I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 1: The Sam, I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 6: Sorry to switch them things around on my board there,

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Speaker 6: slow in the draw man, go back to you, Jason.

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Speaker 5: I want the Chiefs to make the playoffs. That's that's

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Speaker 5: the headline. Here's the filler.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

474
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Speaker 5: Last year I talked Dan Bayer into it's an amazing

475
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 5: storyline that we should get paid more attention to that

476
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Speaker 5: the Chiefs are going after the third straight Super Bowl championship.

477
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Speaker 5: Nobody had ever done it, especially in our lifetimes anyways,

478
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Speaker 5: So we should appreciate greatness, and we have great things

479
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Speaker 5: to talk about with greatness. Now I need them to

480
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Speaker 5: get into the playoffs. You guys ever watched like your

481
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Speaker 5: favorite movie or your favorite maybe you're streaming a good

482
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Speaker 5: series and the villain that you invest nine episodes in,

483
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 5: the great character that took a lot of writing and

484
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Speaker 5: a lot of build up, is just kind of killed

485
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Speaker 5: off quickly at the end, like shot to death, and

486
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Speaker 5: you're like, wait a minute, I invested all this time

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Speaker 5: for him just to be shot. There was no elongated scene,

488
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Speaker 5: no suffering. I don't want somebody to be a Super

489
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Speaker 5: Bowl champ or win the AFC without going through the Chiefs.

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Speaker 5: It seems like if this is going to be the

491
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Speaker 5: end of the dynasty, I want them to at the

492
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Speaker 5: very least be able to defend themselves in the playoffs

493
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Speaker 5: and get beaten in the playoffs before the dynasty ends.

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Speaker 5: If they don't make the playoffs, it'll be kind of

495
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Speaker 5: anti climactic. So I'm rooting for the Chiefs to get in.

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Speaker 5: They don't need to win once they get in. But

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Speaker 5: I think it would be a good story for the

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Speaker 5: NFL if the Chiefs didn't come up short and not

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Speaker 5: make the playoffs. Does that make sense to you all?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think the lasting image of the Titans beating

501
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Speaker 2: Tom Brady and the Patriots in that wild Card round

502
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Speaker 2: game where Brady gets picked off at the end because

503
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Speaker 2: they were backed up for a pick six, Like that

504
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Speaker 2: is an end to the dynasty, like to that point.

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Speaker 2: So when you're doing the documentaries, I mean, unfortunately we've

506
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: had like eight on the Patriots already and it's only

507
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: been like five years. But the point being is you

508
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Speaker 2: need that sort of conclusion. And I felt that because

509
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: the Titans beat the Patriots, it felt like, Okay, you

510
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: knocked him out in the playoffs, like that's the end.

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Speaker 2: I agree with Jason.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you're if you're like the Knicks and

513
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Speaker 5: or the Rockets in ninety four, that had to feel

514
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: pretty empty. The Knicks went in the East and the

515
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 5: Rockets went in the title nobody had to go through Jordan.

516
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Speaker 5: You know, there was no villain to hand the baton

517
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Speaker 5: to or whatever.

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Speaker 6: So Jason, you're saying that the Chiefs deserve of true

519
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 6: villain's death, like falling into a vat of acid and

520
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 6: burning up slowly. Yes, that just something really dramatic.

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Speaker 1: Acid. Okay, I'm gonna go here, Sammy, go ahead. Dan

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Speaker 1: Campbell is making the classic mistake that coaches make, which

523
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: is he's feeling himself. Feeling himself. So look, Dan Campbell

524
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: played what a decade and that football league as a

525
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Speaker 1: tight end, and he's hired obviously very very good coaches.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Ben Johnson, or at least Dan Byer

527
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: did earlier. Nowhere in his coaching career has he called plays.

528
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Speaker 1: And so his answer to the Lions offense struggling with

529
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Speaker 1: a new play caller is to call plays. And what

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Speaker 1: it looks like is he's a guy who he if

531
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Speaker 1: we call it, we call it Twitter play call it right,

532
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: if you go on to Twitter, or you go on

533
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: to ex whatever you want to call it, and if

534
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: it's in your algorithm, you'll see some awesome sets in basketball, college,

535
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: high school, overseas, pro, NBA, and you can pick out

536
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Speaker 1: a couple of them. Okay, but you can't just run

537
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Speaker 1: a couple of cool plays and hope to be good offensively.

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Speaker 1: It has to kind of all work together. People have

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Speaker 1: raved at about Dan Campbell's you know, his forward thinking,

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00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: go forward on fourth down and even if you don't

541
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Speaker 1: get it, don't worry about it. These are mistakes, but

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Speaker 1: aggressive mistakes. So you factor in that he's going for

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Speaker 1: on fourth down just because well, that's what we do.

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Speaker 1: He's calling plays when he hasn't called plays before, and

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Speaker 1: he's not doing what really smart people, and I think

546
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Speaker 1: Dan is really smart people do, which is hire people

547
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: who know what you don't know and then let them

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Speaker 1: do their job. This is the hardest thing for me,

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Speaker 1: you know. And look, I haven't had the success of

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00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell yet, haven't had it yet. But I hired

551
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: some really good assistant coaches, and I find myself during games,

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Speaker 1: especially we're playing a big game against Minnesota Saturday, asking it, Hey,

553
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: your opinion, who do you want in there defensively? I

554
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: know what I want to do offensively, but it's got

555
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: to marry with who you trust in there, so we're

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Speaker 1: working all together. I let them call the defense and

557
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: switch it. I'll let them call the guys who I

558
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: have a coach who's coached for fifty years. If he says, hey,

559
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: make this adjustment offensively, I'm gonna listen to him. And

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Speaker 1: I just think that Dan Campbell. There's a lot of

561
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Speaker 1: things off about the Lions, but the biggest thing that's

562
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Speaker 1: off is you took away their superpower, which was creative

563
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Speaker 1: play calling, and you had a guy who previously maligned

564
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: was like your new Matt Ryan, just accurate as hell,

565
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: steady as hell, and now he's a mess. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's because you have an inexperienced play caller who's

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Speaker 1: the coach's kind of feeling himself and doing what they

568
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Speaker 1: do even though he's never done this play calling before.

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Speaker 5: Isn't him taking over the play calling an admission that

570
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Speaker 5: he chose wrong for the offensive coordinator? Isn't this him

571
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Speaker 5: kind of midstream admitting a mistake And this is the

572
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Speaker 5: only thing you could think of to remedy.

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Speaker 1: This probably probably, But you know again, when you said, hey,

574
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Speaker 1: I'll do it myself and then you draw outside the lines,

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00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: you know you're sitting there going what are we doing here?

576
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Speaker 1: But yes, it does feel that way.

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Speaker 2: Remember they lost both coordinators to head coaching jobs, yep.

578
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Speaker 2: And those guys will also take They're guys that they

579
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Speaker 2: have on staff.

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Speaker 1: Sure, anybody they're close with, they relate to, they're bringing

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Speaker 1: with them because they're going to elevate them.

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Speaker 2: Correct. So, like Tanner, Engstrand is the Jets offensive coordinator,

583
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Speaker 2: he was the Lion's passing game coordinator, last season that

584
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: could have been a natural fit, but instead Aaron Glenn

585
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Speaker 2: takes him to New York to be It's.

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Speaker 1: The best point Dan you can make is we always

587
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Speaker 1: look at the very top line guys that go and

588
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Speaker 1: not realize that when you have success, and they had

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Speaker 1: a lot of success, it's not just your coordinators to

590
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: become head coach, it's all the other staff. And then

591
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Speaker 1: you're caught like, do we stick with the same verbiage?

592
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: Do we break in new verbiage? Exactly? What do we do?

593
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Speaker 1: And they are stuck because they looked mystified by the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: just mystified by the Eagles. Sam, what do you got?

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Speaker 6: So I looked this up. The Chargers are actually slight

596
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Speaker 6: road favorites against the Jaguars this past weekend. So when

597
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Speaker 6: the Jaguars won thirty five to six, a beatdown over

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Speaker 6: a good Charger team, a beat up, but a good

599
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 6: Chargers team, I was surprised and it left me with

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Speaker 6: the question are the Jaguars actually good? And I think

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Speaker 6: that the jury is still out on that they.

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Speaker 1: Have nice Well, hold, let me help you with that.

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00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: What is good? Well?

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Speaker 6: Good as a playoff team, they look like they're headed

605
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Speaker 6: for the playoffs, they've got some nice wins.

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Speaker 2: They've got to.

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Speaker 6: Win over a Carolina team that has is over five hundred,

608
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Speaker 6: a Houston team that looks like it's figuring things out.

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Speaker 6: I know they CJ Strode back. They've went over the Niners,

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Speaker 6: they went over the Chiefs, and they've went over the Chargers.

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Speaker 6: And then I look at Trevor Lawrence. Soo, this is

612
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Speaker 6: his fifth year in the league, and I just don't know.

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Speaker 6: He's still a mystery. He doesn't have any three hundred

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Speaker 6: yard passing games this year. He has six games with

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Speaker 6: just one touchdown pass and he has one game with

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Speaker 6: three touchdown passes, but that was a loss. So he's

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Speaker 6: he's he's in the let's see he's in. Just looking

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Speaker 6: at my mini tabs open here, I was gonna say

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Speaker 6: he's well. On a second, he's bottom half of the

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Speaker 6: league in touchdown passes, he's bottom half of the league

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Speaker 6: in interceptions, he's top half in in passing yards, and

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Speaker 6: then his quarterback rating is pretty low. So the Jaguars

623
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Speaker 6: are a mystery because you don't have Liam Cohen has

624
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Speaker 6: doesn't have a long track record as a head coach. Obviously,

625
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Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence is up and down, and the running game

626
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 6: is good. But I just I wonder this, what if

627
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Speaker 6: you took Daniel Jones from the AFC South leading Indianapolis

628
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 6: Colts and you put him on the Jags and you

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Speaker 6: put Trevor Lawrence on the Colts with that offensive line

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Speaker 6: and Jonathan Taylor. What kind of result would you have?

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Speaker 6: Because when he was coming out of when Trevor Lawrence

632
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Speaker 6: was coming out of Clemson, you know, he looked like

633
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Speaker 6: a surefire Pro Bowl quarterback. And it's been up and down.

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Speaker 1: No, he's one of the highest the highest rated draftees

635
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: we've seen.

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Speaker 5: And that was wrong. That was dead wrong. The can't

637
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Speaker 5: miss thing, you can't say, can't miss mediocre career.

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Speaker 1: So what do we How would you term it? Would

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Speaker 1: you go very unlikely to miss? No, I'm asking, I'm

640
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: not being Syracuse, I'm not being a jerk in any way.

641
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, honestly, how would you guys word it?

642
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: Because you're right, like the whole can't miss thing you

643
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: can miss? And they did.

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Speaker 6: He had a twenty five and eight season in twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty two. Was that the year they beat the Chargers

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Speaker 6: in that comeback?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Right?

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Speaker 6: And then he had a twenty one touchdown fourteen interception,

649
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Speaker 6: and last year, I know it was bad, only eleven touchdowns.

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Speaker 6: This year he's got eleven so far. But what he'll

651
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Speaker 6: probably finish with I don't know, sixteen to eighteen. So

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Speaker 6: he's just kind of middle of the pack right now

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Speaker 6: in terms of his so far in his career.

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Speaker 2: I think your question on whether the Jaguar, that's ultimately

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Speaker 2: whether the Jaguars for real, And it goes back to

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Speaker 2: when you talk about who they beat. I think that

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Speaker 2: you have to take them seriously considering the wins over

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Speaker 2: the teams that they have. Maybe the forty nine Ers

659
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Speaker 2: weren't playing as well as they could be now with

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Speaker 2: the healthy Brock party, but they beat him in week four.

661
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Speaker 2: They beat the Panthers in week one. Guess what Panthers

662
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Speaker 2: are sitting there at six and five? They beat the Chiefs,

663
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Speaker 2: destroyed the Chargers. I understand that the Chargers had a

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Speaker 2: Sunday night game, physical matchup against the Steelers, and then

665
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Speaker 2: you're playing across the country Sunday one o'clock Eastern time kick.

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Speaker 2: It's tough to do, but that's not thirty five to

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Speaker 2: six like that's like so at least give them credit

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Speaker 2: for that. And you've got two more games coming up

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Speaker 2: against you haven't played the Titans yet this year. You've

670
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Speaker 2: got a game against the Cardinals that's winnable this Sunday,

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Speaker 2: and you have the Jets. Aside for the fact that

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Speaker 2: you have two divisional games against the Colts that if

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Speaker 2: you do beat them, you could be in the thick

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Speaker 2: of it for winning your division. Whether we believe in

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Speaker 2: them or not, the Jaguars are going to be there

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Speaker 2: at the end. Can I just say one more thing.

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Speaker 6: I was about ready to start fading the Jaguars when

678
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 6: they were losing three or four games and they're only winning.

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Speaker 6: There was an overtime win over the hapless Raiders, but

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Speaker 6: that thirty five to six win over the Chargers, I

681
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Speaker 6: was like, wow, it was very impressive.

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Speaker 2: Also, look at who they lost in those three of

683
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Speaker 2: the four Seahawks and Rams up two of the better teams.

684
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Speaker 2: They actually were beating the Texans. They were up nineteen

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Speaker 2: in that game and Houston had the crazy comeback scores,

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Speaker 2: the defensive touchdown at the end. So yeah, a game

687
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Speaker 2: that they should have won. They'd tell you that they

688
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Speaker 2: should have won that one, and maybe would have been

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Speaker 2: more of a case to be one of the teams

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Speaker 2: to believe in.

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Speaker 1: And that is Tuesday morning Quarterback in the afternoon. Well Tuesday, Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: do the your career record, that's fine, it's fine. My

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Speaker 1: can tell you that he opened the door to being

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Speaker 1: He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. John the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: I've been in this field since two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: That's when I started. I filled in beforehand. In the

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Speaker 1: time in which I've been in national radio twenty two years,

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Speaker 1: they've made the playoffs twice. They've had ten wins or

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Speaker 1: more in both of those years. They've only been five

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Speaker 1: hundred four other times four other times. How can you

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Speaker 1: in a league that prides itself on half the teams

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Speaker 1: that make the playoffs one year don't make it the

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Speaker 1: next year. How have the Raiders been so consistently bad well.

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Speaker 7: For a long time.

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Speaker 8: When they played at the coliseum, which is obviously a

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Speaker 8: historic dump right now and every team in Oakland has

727
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Speaker 8: left over the last five or six years, but they

728
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Speaker 8: didn't have the money. You know, they were falling way

729
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Speaker 8: behind in kind of an armed race. I mean, the

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Speaker 8: NFL is different than college but they were in terms

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Speaker 8: of revenue generation at the bottom. So they moved to Vegas,

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Speaker 8: which ultimately was the right call from a money standpoint.

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Speaker 8: They involved Brady in some of his money. Guys, they

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Speaker 8: have way more money now. It's about hiring the right guys.

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Speaker 8: I do think Mark Davis has tried right. He tried

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Speaker 8: to hire John Gruden, gave him a hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 7: That thing blew up in his space.

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Speaker 8: Tried to hire Josh McDaniels. That thing blew up in

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Speaker 8: his face. I do think Fight Deck was a fantastic

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Speaker 8: GM candidate and is good at his job. But you know,

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Speaker 8: and I don't know, obviously they're it's not his call

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Speaker 8: to just hire Pete Carroll, And I honestly didn't think

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Speaker 8: it was that crazy. You have a hire, you get

744
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Speaker 8: this guy who clearly still has the passion. Like I

745
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Speaker 8: understand he's older, but he looks a lot younger.

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Speaker 7: His energy is not an issue. But I do think

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Speaker 7: there is just like this thing is not going to.

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Speaker 8: Work because this guy, and rightfully so, you're seventy four

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Speaker 8: years old.

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Speaker 7: Like I think they thought they could be confound ten wins.

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Speaker 8: No, but you know, a frisky seven to nine win

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Speaker 8: team this year.

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Speaker 1: Who thought it was a seven to nine win team though, well.

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Speaker 8: Pete, because otherwise you trade Mac Crosby this offseason. You

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Speaker 8: don't keep if you think you're a.

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Speaker 7: Three win team, which they are head to be.

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Speaker 8: You don't hire Max Crosby, or you don't resign Max Crosby.

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Speaker 7: You trade him for multiple ones.

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Speaker 8: When his values at an all time high and teams

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Speaker 8: are lined up trying to get Michael Parsons, Miles Garrett

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Speaker 8: and hopefully Max Crosby.

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Speaker 7: And I mean, look at the Browns.

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Speaker 8: I mean they just made a mistake, simply put, because

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Speaker 8: they're they're.

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Speaker 7: Losing every single week. And this guy's like Lawrence Taylor.

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Speaker 8: It's a waste, and you draft a running back really high.

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Speaker 8: And I also think listens, Pete. Carroll's fired a lot

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Speaker 8: of offensive coordinators. She has no connection with Chip Kelly.

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Speaker 8: Chip Kelly's become like this mercenary guy and he got

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Speaker 8: eighteen million dollars. I mean, you talk about I watched

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Speaker 8: this Ponzi scheme thing going on Amazon Prime about it

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Speaker 8: called the Hollywood Hustler. He's got a pretty good hustle

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Speaker 8: going right now. I mean, the offense is embarrassing. You

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Speaker 8: can be well, John, they don't have any offensive lineman.

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Speaker 8: If you're a good offensive coordinator and you've got some

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Speaker 8: of these weapons, you should at least be able to

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Speaker 8: manipulate some plays. And clearly, I think Geno's comments after

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Speaker 8: the game were like, listen, I'm not the biggest Geno.

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Speaker 7: Guy, but he's proven over the last couple years.

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Speaker 8: You just give him somewhat credible, you know, operation he's okay.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he looks worse and worse by the week.

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Speaker 7: He's like, just blame me.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think he's saying a tongue of cheek.

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Speaker 8: I did the rated very disaster, and I think they are.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's my takeaway. They are a disaster, not

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Speaker 1: even a good Cowboys team with a bad defense that

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Speaker 1: even the Cowboys are like, look, we're just trying to

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Speaker 1: get through this year to rebuild the defense next year, right,

789
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Speaker 1: Like the Cowboys. At least they're realistic with who they are.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that they made Dallas look like a

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Speaker 8: fourteen win team last night. You know, Dallas is a

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Speaker 8: seven or eight at best. But I think the difference

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Speaker 8: is like Dallas has some infrastructure.

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Speaker 7: Here's the other thing, you know.

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Speaker 8: Brian Schottenheimer took a lot of heat. Not even he did,

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Speaker 8: I mean the Cowboys did. But like he's proven, like

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Speaker 8: he's a good offensive coordinator and his rapport with his quarterback.

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Speaker 8: His offensive linemen are young. Who knows that they're any good,

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Speaker 8: but he can manipu. He's coaching up George Pickens, who.

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Speaker 7: Mike Tomlin punning on.

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Speaker 8: Like I'm watching Schottenheimer and go, I don't know how

802
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Speaker 8: good he is because we'll see that maybe next year

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Speaker 8: when they got better players.

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Speaker 7: Sure, and people are like picking.

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Speaker 8: Them to make the playoffs, but clearly he's good at

806
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Speaker 8: offense and players like him. You're watching the Raiders, You're like,

807
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Speaker 8: are they quitting on all these guys?

808
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 7: Because that they're quitting on Pete, They're quitting on Chips.

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Speaker 8: And I think, if I'm Brady, I get with fight

810
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Speaker 8: tech and I try to dis convince Mark, like, listen,

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Speaker 8: it's gonna be embarrassing. I think we just need to

812
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Speaker 8: kind of hire a young guy, trade everybody and just

813
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Speaker 8: kind of break this thing down to the studs.

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Speaker 1: Finally, Yeah, it's it's it's bad.

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Speaker 8: So the Division two, Doug, I mean, the Chiefs are

816
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Speaker 8: having horrendous year. What are they going to go ten

817
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Speaker 8: and seven. You know, I mean it's they're not even

818
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Speaker 8: The division is way too hard, the three coaches and

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Speaker 8: the infrastructure, with the Chargers now and obviously the Chiefs

820
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Speaker 8: and the Broncos, it's just not gonna be a fair fight.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to Siriani. I went when I was

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Speaker 1: at the Packers Eagles game, the next to last possession

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Speaker 1: on second down. The Packers have their full boat of

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Speaker 1: timeouts and they throw the ball on second down on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the two minute warning. That makes

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Speaker 1: no sense. Then they throw it on third down. It's incomplete,

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Speaker 1: so the Packers get the ball back, don't get anything punted,

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Speaker 1: and then he does it again. You know, going forward

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Speaker 1: on fourth down makes no sense at all, right, no sense.

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Speaker 1: So then this week they're in their own territory. They

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Speaker 1: got they got a two score lead, the Lions have

832
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Speaker 1: done nothing against them all day. Why are they going

833
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Speaker 1: forward on fourth down? What? I know, they've won both

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Speaker 1: of these games, I get it, But this is not

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Speaker 1: about results. It's about process. Isn't that the wrong process? Well?

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Speaker 8: I think this week, I mean, they just they just

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Speaker 8: swear by the toushbush and whenever it gets stopped that.

838
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Speaker 8: They are just plumb exed, and so is most people watching.

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Speaker 8: So I think they're just gonna lean end of the day,

840
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Speaker 8: like if the Toush push, if it's a one yard situation,

841
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Speaker 8: they're gonna run the toushbush on the field. What they

842
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Speaker 8: could be backed up for their own goal line.

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Speaker 7: I think the previous week end of the day.

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Speaker 8: The Eagles philosophical beliefs as an organization, Like when they

845
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Speaker 8: showed if you were at the game, you didn't see,

846
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Speaker 8: but they showed Jeffrey Lewie in the the game.

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Speaker 7: I mean they're winning.

848
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Speaker 8: They've won like twenty two of their last twenty six games.

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Speaker 7: He looks like he's wants the fallout of the box.

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Speaker 8: You know why, because Jeffrey Leary loves offense. Jeffrey Leary

851
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Speaker 8: likes to throw the ball, like all those years of

852
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Speaker 8: the Indy reas.

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Speaker 7: He throws the ball too much.

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Speaker 8: Jeffrey Leary's on board, you know, analytically, like going four

855
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Speaker 8: on fourth down, like he believes in what Dan Campbell's doing.

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Speaker 7: Like the organization promotes that.

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Speaker 8: So they they look at Dick Sirianni's kind of taking

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Speaker 8: the marching orders, you know, And I think he knows,

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Speaker 8: because you wouldn't do that if, like, if you did

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Speaker 8: that with the Steelers or the Giants, like they were

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Speaker 8: the equivalent of being this good, right, the old school

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Speaker 8: owners would freak out. That's just not the case in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 8: It's not only promoted, it is uh, it's it's celebrating.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I get it for most of the game. I

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Speaker 1: get it for most of the game. You have a

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Speaker 1: completely and thoroughly dominant defense. We're talking the last last minute,

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Speaker 1: two minutes of a football game. We're talking winning time

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Speaker 1: when all that stuff sounds good, but it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you haven't scored on my defense. I have a great defense.

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Speaker 1: All I got Like you go back to the Packer game.

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Speaker 1: Just take a knee twice? Hey, one first one, they

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Speaker 1: got to burn two timeouts, then they got two minute warning.

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Speaker 1: They have no chance. They had no chance, but they're

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Speaker 1: giving a chance.

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Speaker 7: Made to pivot in ther identity.

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Speaker 8: Like, I know, you're paying your quarterback and the wide

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Speaker 8: wide receivers a lot of money. But now that Fanzio

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Speaker 8: has a couple more weapons, you're gonna be You're gonna have,

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Speaker 8: you know, right there with Denver and Houston, Like one

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Speaker 8: of the best defense in the league.

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Speaker 7: That's gonna be our identity.

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Speaker 8: Run the ball, make it ugly, and I think they

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Speaker 8: just need to embrace it. But I'm just telling you

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Speaker 8: that's not how they think.

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Speaker 7: It's why.

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Speaker 8: Let's face it, most teams, once they started freaking out

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Speaker 8: and defending champs, might have been like, listen, let's just

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Speaker 8: punt on a first round pick.

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Speaker 7: Let's just get out of this. But the Eagles just

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Speaker 7: don't think like that.

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Speaker 8: They're gonna They're gonna keep promoting and try to pass like.

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Speaker 7: They should stop passing it as much. It does not work.

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Speaker 1: It does not work. This is the dog Gottlieb Shore.

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Speaker 1: You listened to Fox Sports Radio John metalclosts our guest,

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Speaker 1: of course, to re announces podcast the Volume podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Did you see this happening in New England this quickly?

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Speaker 7: I thought they were going to be good.

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Speaker 8: Just when you look at the schedule, I think two

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Speaker 8: schedules really jumped out at the beginning of the season

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Speaker 8: were New England and San Francisco. It's like, it's gonna

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Speaker 8: be hard for these teams not to win ten games. Obviously,

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Speaker 8: the Niners have a million injuries. They look like they're

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Speaker 8: headed toward ten wins. I thought New England like the

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Speaker 8: forty nine ers, ten win team, not like thirteen or fourteen.

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Speaker 7: So I now part of it is and.

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Speaker 8: I think Belichick and Brady be the first tell you.

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Speaker 8: It's like, hey, you get four games against Miami and.

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Speaker 7: The Jets, and that can be very lucrative to the

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Speaker 7: win loss record. So it's that's saying dividends. But their

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Speaker 7: quarterback is playing great. Obviously defensively they look much better.

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Speaker 7: You know, every move they've made.

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Speaker 8: From like Diggs, I was like, why he's signed Diggs

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Speaker 8: torn a cl I mean, he's playing his butt off,

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Speaker 8: he's blocking, he's bought in and at the end of

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Speaker 8: the day, like say what you want about him, and

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Speaker 8: he can be you know, wide receivers have big personality,

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Speaker 8: you can drive people nut. He's been associated with winning

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Speaker 8: majority of his career. Right in Minnesota they were good,

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Speaker 8: went to Buffalo, they won a lot of games. He's

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Speaker 8: got a wide receiver personality, but.

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Speaker 7: He is a winning player.

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Speaker 8: And then, uh, I think when you factor into they

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Speaker 8: got some of these young guys. Listen, you know sometimes

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Speaker 8: you get a young guy he's not bought in on

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Speaker 8: the details. Well, now, It's like the Henderson, the running

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Speaker 8: back from Ohio State five touchdowns the last two weeks

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Speaker 8: has been I mean, if they start getting him going

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Speaker 8: because he's an explosive player.

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Speaker 7: I think I saw the.

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Speaker 8: Kyle Williams, the wide receiver from Washington State. It's got injured,

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Speaker 8: but you know he's his explosive speed. So the scary

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Speaker 8: part for everybody, this is probably going to be their

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Speaker 8: worst team over the course of the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Yep, they're only going to get better. They're they're only

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Speaker 1: going to.

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Speaker 8: Buffalo was in trouble and I think they knew it.

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Speaker 8: You know, that game against Tampa was must win once

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Speaker 8: you factored in that New England and won on Thursday,

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Speaker 8: and Tampa was bringing it. They had that kid from

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Speaker 8: Syracuse making plays.

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Speaker 7: I thought, oh my god.

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Speaker 8: And then Josh Allen basically just went like Steph Curry.

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Speaker 8: He's like, yeah, of course they see today. I can't

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Speaker 8: we can't lose.

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Speaker 1: Real real quick. Is it time to freak out about

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Speaker 1: Kansas City yet?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, It's just I mean, it's just not gonna be

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Speaker 8: their year. I mean, I think when the Dust battles,

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Speaker 8: they still end up ten and seven and probably six

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Speaker 8: or seven seeds. But like this happened in New England

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Speaker 8: that they had some weird years over and they're gonna

952
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Speaker 8: have to pivot, right, You're gonna have to hit on

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Speaker 8: some players in the draft to become your Devin mccordy.

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Speaker 8: You're Dante high Tower, You're Julian Edelman and have this

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Speaker 8: second iteration of the group because Travis Kelcey probably retires,

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Speaker 8: if not this year, next year, and Chris Jones is

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Speaker 8: you know, a fifty percent of the game's player at

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Speaker 8: this point, so they're gonna.

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Speaker 7: Heat on a couple of guys.

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Speaker 8: They already got some young players, so let's face it,

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Speaker 8: they're gonna need Pat Homes to play a little better.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's he's he's an all time great. But

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Speaker 7: we got David Worthy for a reason. You got to

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Speaker 7: hit him down the field, no question.

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Speaker 1: This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. That's John Middlecoff three

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Speaker 1: and outs the podcast. Download and put in your cue.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome, it's excellent. So is he, Johnny, are the

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Speaker 1: best man? Really appreciate your time.