1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Before you listen to this episode, folks, you need to 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: understand that all three of us, actually all five of 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: us on the team Mission Control code named Doc Noel, Matt, 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: they called me Ben, all of us. We love road trips, 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: and if you're on a proper road trip, sometimes things 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: go wrong. So Nolan, I got super lost in a 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: super weird place, which inspired this classic episode. Yeah, inspired that. 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: We had no idea what the hell was going on. 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: We were in a part of was it West Virginia? Ben, Yes, yeah, 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: just so man, where we just all of a sudden 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: lost all communications. Uh even GPS wasn't actually that's not true. 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: We were with our friend Scott, and GPS just pure 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: GPS I think you have like a garment or something 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: was the only thing that was even remotely showing us 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: where we were. But none of our mapping capabilities were working. 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: Zero self one reception. We were both scrap our heads 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: and feeling completely clueless and lost. And it goes to 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: show just how you know, easy it is to get 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: lost without these things that we've come to rely on 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: that are ultimately crutches. Um. But we figured out why. Yeah, 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't even text Matt and as soon as we 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: got back to uh, the ubiquitous information age of this civilization, 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: we were able to talk with you, Matt about something 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: called the National Radio Quiet Zone. Do you remember this, man? 25 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Do you remember did we seem crazy? When we finally 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: got back with you and we're chatting. I just remember 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: my moth Man T shirt. I think I know what 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: happened to you, guys. I'm pretty sure you went through 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: some kind of time portal and went back to like 30 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, six before either of you were born, and 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: it just nothing made sense because you didn't exist yet, 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: and yet you were there. I think that's what happened. 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: And thankfully our pictures didn't start to fade out from 34 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: that polaroid you carry around in your cat, Matt, Yeah, 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: I kept a Yeah, that's our that's one of our 36 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: fail safes for each other. We each have a polaroid 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: that we carry at all times. Uh, you know, And 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: this is this is a way to make sure that 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: we're all on the same timeline, in the same dimension. 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: But if you have ever again been on a road 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: trip and found yourself in a strange place, then today's 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: classic episode is something that will speak to you directly 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: imagine rolling into a town in the United States right 44 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: now as you're listening to the show, maybe that has 45 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: no one on the streets, that has working pay phones, 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: that has businesses which appear to be open but half 47 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: their doors locked. This is the story of something called 48 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: the US National Radio Quiet Zone, which is a real 49 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: thing today, and you can drive there if you wish. 50 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know whether Matt Null or I would 51 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: recommend it. You know, we would recommend listening to the 52 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: rest of this episode. From UFOs to psychic powers and 53 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can 54 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show. My 56 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: name is Matt, they call me Ben, and you are you? 57 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: And if you are a long time listener of the 58 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: show stuff they don't want you to know, then you 59 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: already realize a couple of things. First, you're the most 60 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: important part of the show. We appreciate your time, whether 61 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: it's your first episode or your how many episodes we have. 62 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: And I thought you were gonna say your last episode. 63 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Please don't make this your last episode. I hope not. 64 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: I hope not. Stay safe out there, folks, but long 65 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: time listeners you may notice a conspicuous absence. That's right, 66 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: our super producer, the third amigo. If we were doing 67 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: that movie Nol the madman Brown is out for a moment, 68 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: but never fear he shall return. And in his absence, Uh, 69 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: Matt and I are going to explore something that Nolan 70 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: I stumbled across quite recently. So no, I'll do my 71 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: best to represent for you here. Well, I appreciate you 72 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: being here, Ben to talk about this. This is very 73 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: cool you and Noel and what Scott and Casey a 74 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: producer here at How Stuff Works. Scott the co host 75 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: with you on Car Stuff. You guys went on a 76 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: bit of a journey. Yes, in early October, Scott Benjamin, 77 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: my co host on Car Stuff and I UH took 78 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: up a listener named Glenn Beck on his in vitation 79 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: to participate in a road rally for charity. This was uh. 80 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: This was specifically the Ohio Valley seven road rally for 81 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: raising money from outfit called Cure Which is Too, which 82 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: is um not just raising awareness of epilepsy, but attempting 83 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: to cure the condition. And we took along Casey and 84 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: Noll as a two person crew to film what ended 85 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: up being a massive road trip from Atlanta to Hershey, Pennsylvania. 86 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: From Hershey, Pennsylvania to Deep Creek, Maryland, from Deep Creek, 87 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: Maryland to Snowshoe, West Virginia. From Snowshoe, West Virginia to Athens, Ohio, 88 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: and then homeward bound without the cute animals. Uh. And 89 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: it was it was a long it was long drive. 90 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: It was a rally, not a race, and we saw 91 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: some amazing things. But we ran into a strange situation 92 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: in West Virginia. And that is the subject of our 93 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: podcast today. It's see, there is an area they're in 94 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: the eastern United States that encompasses much of the eastern 95 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: half of West Virginia, parts of Virginia proper. And he 96 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: gives a little little bit of Maryland like yeah, tiny 97 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: tiny amountain. And this massive area encompassing pieces of three 98 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: states is about is a square essentially about thirteen thousand 99 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: square miles. And in this area, cell phones just don't 100 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: work completely, like you're the phone doesn't work or the 101 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: service doesn't work. The service, the service or the signal 102 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: will just not not where no bars, no bars, radio 103 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: stations go dead, there's nothing but white noise on the radio. 104 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: People who live in this area are allegedly instructed not 105 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: to own micro apes. Wait, you notice that pay phones 106 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: are still around there, and they're actively used because there's 107 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: not an alternative. Oh man, okay, I've I've got three 108 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: things too throughout you really fast, please do The person 109 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: who invited you to go on this rally, his name 110 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: is Glenn Beck. Yes, okay, no relation, okay, number two. Really, briefly, 111 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: what is the difference between a race and a rally? 112 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: Because I have no idea, okay, So the difference between 113 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: a race and a rally is that in a race, 114 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: there you're centered on winning. In a race just in 115 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: the largest terms could be described in in several different metrics, 116 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: so maybe the best time, or the highest amount of laps, 117 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: or the core just surviving in some cases, and a rally, 118 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: which also can take several different forms, a rally is 119 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: more about the experience of driving. While there are going 120 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: to be it's quite possible there will be awards for 121 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: different things. You know. Uh, that is not the that 122 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be the sole purpose of a rally. 123 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: So the rally that we did the primary purpose of 124 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: this was to raise money to cure epilepsy. It wasn't 125 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: for us to come in first place, and we were 126 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: doing essentially scavenger hunt, finding different locations throughout the course 127 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: of the days. The rally itself was about three days, 128 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: so that would be the difference. Is that a race 129 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: is all about forget everyone else, I need. First place 130 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: in a rally is a little bit more about the 131 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: journey you got you So when you're okay, when you're 132 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: finding places during the scavenger hunt, is it do you do? 133 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: They just give you like map points or something, or 134 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: like you have to solve clues, Like how how do 135 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: you figure out you have to solve clues? That's pretty cool. Yeah, 136 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: you have to solve clues that will take you to 137 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: various checkpoints, and checkpoints are worth a number of points. 138 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: You will also get what's called a route card, which 139 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: gives you points of interest that you might run into, 140 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: and you just take a picture of your team or 141 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: your car in front of that thing to prove that 142 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: you were there. So like, uh, Pennsylvania has something called 143 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: roadside giants, and I think it was Pennsylvania, and you 144 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: take a photo of your car next to one of 145 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: these roadside giants. So it's like proof of hey, we 146 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: were here and those things might be worth ten to 147 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty points, so you added up at 148 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: the end of the day, and that's how they decide 149 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: some stuff. So I'm imagining you guys going on this 150 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: road trip and you're not exactly sure where you're gonna go. 151 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: H you're driving through I'm assuming you're heading north, so 152 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: you're probably in Virginia heading through West Virginia or something 153 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: like that at some point, and then you notice that 154 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: you had no signal. Yeah, as we were, as we 155 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: were heading into West virgin Yeah. Uh, we realized that 156 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: the signal died and that is when we you know, 157 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: we did our best. We're very lucky because Scott is 158 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: Scott's an old school guy, and so we were using 159 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: cellular phone based GPS and mapping services, and of course 160 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: when those went out, we were flying blind, except for 161 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: I was kicking myself because I usually bring a physical map, 162 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: but I just didn't think we need one for road rally, 163 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: which in retrospect was one of one of the fourteen 164 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: mistakes I've made abother but the but the the thing 165 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 1: that Scott had that saved us was a an old 166 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: school GPS device called a garment. Yeah, and he had 167 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: a garment, and you know, it's maps weren't all up 168 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: to date, but it knew the big stuff doesn't change 169 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: that often, know, So I was able to get us 170 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: to and from destinations and get us out of what 171 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: we learned eventually was is called the United States National 172 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: Radio Quiet Zone. Electronic silence for thousand square miles. That's intense, 173 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: that's the idea. Well, yeah, I'm trying to I know 174 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: some of this stuff, but I'm trying to envision exactly 175 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: why you would have something like that a a state 176 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: instituted area where there's essentially radio silence. Um, I know, 177 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: according to the people that created it, there was one 178 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: big reason to have this place, and it's because there 179 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: were radio telescopes that are massive radio telescopes that they 180 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: wanted to function with as little interference as possible. Right, Yes, 181 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: specifically the world's largest steer bowl radio telescope, the Robert C. 182 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: Bird Green Bank Telescope or GBTU. So it is enormous. 183 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: It's ginormous. It's diameter is about a hundred meters. You 184 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: can see this thing from miles away. Also, uh, you 185 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: can't drive anything but diesel vehicles within a mile of 186 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: this of this contraption. Wait, why is that because a 187 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: non diesel i C engine internal combustion engine, the spark 188 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: plugs can create electronic interference spark plugs kidding me that 189 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: just a that amount of energy. Yeah, and I don't know, 190 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: maybe pacemakers are the same. I'm not sure. But on 191 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: the surface this makes sense because for some people the 192 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: idea of a radio telescope is strange. But we talked 193 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: about it in our video earlier last week, which is 194 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: that light is us a wavelength that we see right 195 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: visible lights, and it can be detected by a telescope, 196 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: and radio waves can work in the same fashion. Yes, 197 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: I got you, so, just like a just like a 198 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: telescope based in name a big city Chicago, Just like 199 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: a telescope based in the heart of Chicago. A light 200 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: telescope is gonna have a tough time getting light emissions 201 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: from these billions year old stars and and separating that 202 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: from the ambient light of enormous skyscrapers and street lights 203 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: and car headlights and stuff. A radio telescope can have 204 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: a difficult time receiving these faint at times signals from 205 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: the heavens and differentiating those from you know, kp X 206 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Finn fifty. Yeah, if the spectrum is just full with 207 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: traffic from other other sources, I can imagine that that 208 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Hey, if we did a 209 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: radio show, this is just a side question, man, if 210 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: we did a radio show, we would have to, you know, 211 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: do our voices like this, And then we'd also have 212 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: to have nicknames, right, Yeah, you have to do the 213 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: man in the box ten. No, I get it. What 214 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: would you What would your nickname be? I wouldn't even 215 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: go my Matt. It would have to be some kind 216 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: of animal. Uh, let's go with mongoose something. Mongoose is 217 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: the gooch a nickname already. I'm pretty sure that was taken. Yeah, 218 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: mongoose and the gooch, And then we would have the 219 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: obnoxious like sound effects all the time. It might be 220 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: good if you had a snake reference, just to have 221 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: that imagery contract together. Yeah, but I don't think Nol 222 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: would want to be a serpentine kind of creature. I 223 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: don't know. He might be into it, I don't know. 224 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: I'll have to ask him. And listeners right in with 225 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: your with your suggestions for our morning show obnoxious DJ 226 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: morning show names, because I think a lot of times 227 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: people just modify one, one or two letters of their 228 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: real name. So I would be like the being, which 229 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: is just a terrible name. Anyhow, So our future as 230 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: obnoxious morning show DJs. Aside this, this telescope needs this 231 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: quiet area to collect this information. That's true. That's that's 232 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: fundamentally true. That's just how these sorts of things work. 233 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: The GPT has access to of the celestial sphere, and 234 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: so according to the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, uh, this, 235 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: this enormous thing spends about six thousand five hours every 236 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: year being used for astronomy, and two thousand and three 237 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: thousand hours per year are available to high frequency science. 238 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: And it's flexible, it can match needs to where there. 239 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: It's it's a great scientific resource. It is also not 240 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: the only thing in the radio quiet zone. No, there's 241 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: there are also small towns kind of peppered throughout the 242 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: area where people just live there everyday, lives, go to work, 243 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: come home, watch some TV. I'm assuming you can watch 244 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: TV there, right, Yeah, well as long as it's yeah, 245 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: I wonder. And then also you have, um, you have 246 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: wired connections, so people can use dial up and landlines 247 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: and so they're not, you know, super isolated. You can 248 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: get some Google Fiber in there, right, that would be nice. 249 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: So the one of the things that we found that's 250 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: really interesting because we thought, oh, we gotta tell mad 251 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: about this, and we have to look into this when 252 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: we realize we're going to make it out, of course, 253 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: was that this is a place many people would rather 254 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: not visit, much less living. However, Yeah, we're all connected, right. However, 255 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: as as fans of shows like Better Call Saul may realize, 256 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: there is a very specific percentage of the population that 257 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: thinks this is paradise. You're talking about, Chuck McGill, h 258 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: specifically about electro sensitives. Could you describe an electro sensitive? Okay, 259 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: so this is tough, and I don't want to offend 260 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: anybody anyone out there who feels like they are an 261 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: electro sensitive, But just to put it in um basic terms, 262 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: it's that, in some way or another, the signals from WiFi, 263 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: signals from cellular service of the electromagnetic radiation from power lines, 264 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: sometimes from various electronic sources cell phones. Yeah, and really 265 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: name anything that has electronics within it has some sort 266 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: of effect on them physically where or it's causing them headaches, 267 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: other ailments like physical ailments like that, UM just an uneasiness. 268 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: There are a lot of ailments that have been reported 269 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: having to do with electro sensitives, but they're not all 270 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: the same, right, so when one person may be reporting 271 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: something very specific that somebody else doesn't have. UM, let's 272 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: just quickly go with the Chuck McGill example from Better 273 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: Call Saul. He forces his brother and others to leave 274 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: their cell phones outside of his home. He has no 275 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: electricity in his home because again he feels like it's 276 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: affecting him physically. And I know he's a fictional character, 277 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: but he is. He's a good example in pop culture currently. Yeah. Yeah, 278 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: he's the most recent go to example with the most 279 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: um recognizable symptoms. He's the most recognizable example of that. 280 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: So people are going to these towns in the Quiet 281 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: Zone to escape this UM, this condition that they believed 282 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: they have, and they've been doing this for a while. 283 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: Actually this is not a new development. The Quiet Zone 284 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: was established by the FCC back in nineteen fifty eight. 285 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: It's been around for a while, and the people in 286 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: these towns have had a continual struggle as as technology 287 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: evolves around them. So there were people who there was 288 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: a story that came out called the Town without WiFi 289 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: that showed that this might potentially be an unsustainable situation. 290 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: For instance, here's here's a good thing. Um, here's a 291 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: good example. Rather, in two thousand seven, there was a 292 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: government mandate for tire pressure sensors in all new cars, 293 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: but the Telescope business manager Mike Holstein pointed out those 294 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: give off a radio signal. This tire pressure sensors that 295 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: interfere with the telescope and said, the technology around us 296 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: changes all the time. Even the smallest thing has repercussions. 297 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: So there are electro sensitives that are going here. But 298 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: the concern is that the telescope facility might eventually get 299 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: shut down in two thousand seventeen due to a funding issue, 300 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: So this might not be sustainable. For those of you 301 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: who are listening and believe that you have electrosensitivity, be 302 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: be careful, Be be cautious. Plan if you're planning to 303 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: move to this place, it may not be as sure 304 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: a bet as you want. You can always see the telescope, 305 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: though it's I'm imagining it being a very difficult situation 306 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: if you do choose to move out there. If you're 307 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: trying to rely on finding a job of any sort 308 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: in an isolated area like that, I can only imagine 309 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: there's so many job openings, you know, within within one 310 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: of the small towns like that must not be a 311 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: very common currents. But then also you couldn't really work well, 312 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: I guess you could work remotely if you were just 313 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: using your ethernet in your home, sure, or through the post. Yeah, 314 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: maybe through the post. Just all of your mail, like 315 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: correspondence with your job goes through the post. There are 316 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot of writers who do that. Yeah, oh yeah, okay, 317 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: so sure, but that's a very very limited community. Well yeah, 318 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: so so many jobs rely on an Internet connection nowadays. 319 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: Um yeah, that's fascinating. So here's something that might um 320 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: make people worried about the place closing feel a little 321 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: bit better. They chose this location. The FCC chose this 322 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: location because it was already naturally given to buffering signals 323 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: or excuse me, to preventing outside frequencies, because it's in 324 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: the Allegheny Mountains and those that those massive amounts of 325 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: rock already naturally restricts stuff So what they did is 326 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: they use technology g to accelerate the already existing tendencies 327 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: of this piece of land. And they chose this piece 328 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: of land not just because of the mountains, there are 329 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: other places like that, but they chose it because there 330 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: were economic circumstances to the town had little established industry, 331 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: Green Bank, and in the opinion of Uncle Sam, had 332 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: little potential for one. So you wouldn't build this massive 333 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: telescope and then have you know, a population boom later. Also, 334 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: it sat on the thirty parallel, so it gives just 335 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: a stunning perfect view of the Milky Way, as perfect 336 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: as we can get. And then of course there are 337 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: children who live here and they are and they're trying 338 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: to get around the rules by making you know, their 339 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: own hotspots, using mobile phones to find workarounds so that 340 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: they're not as shut out of the world. Uh. This 341 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: this is created a divide when um, the new newer 342 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: people moved to town just as a lector of sensitives. Uh, 343 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: here's here's a brief reading from The Washingtonian about the 344 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: experience that someone had when they when they felt they 345 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: were having an attack. Monique Grimes had just moved Florida 346 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: for a new job. When the syndrome started. On the 347 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: third morning in her St. Petersburg apartment, she woke with 348 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: a harsh thumping in her chest, heart palpitations. Within hours, 349 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: it felt as if someone had tied a thick rubber 350 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: band around her head. Then came nausea, fatigue, ringing in 351 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: her left ear, and on slaught of maladies all at once. 352 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: And she had no idea why. I was trying to 353 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: come up with every excuse in the world. What was 354 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: happening to me? She says, moving is stressful, but the 355 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: symptoms kept piling on. So she was having issues um speaking, 356 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: she couldn't form coherent sentences. She saw an internist, neurologist, 357 00:23:54,800 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist. They had no explanation, and then she um. 358 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: She ended up becoming part of this electro sensitivity electro 359 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: sensitive community, and she is one of the people who 360 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: moved to Green Bank and to you know this area 361 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: of West Virginia. So one by one, in ones and 362 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: twos and threes, the electra sensitives moved to green Bank. 363 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: And this is a town that originally had a hundred 364 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: and forty three people in there. So there's been some um, 365 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: there's been some tension between the newer residents and the 366 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: longtime residents because the elector sensitives are asking things that 367 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: the that the members of Green Bank community don't care for. 368 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: So there's a sheriff there at the time. His name 369 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: was David Jonas, and he said that the electro sensitives 370 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: want everybody in stores and restaurants that change their lighting, 371 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: turn their life it's off, which creates some issues, you know, 372 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: or that these people are coming in and asking churches 373 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: not to use wireless microphones, don't use cell phones as 374 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: cameras around them. Uh. And then people began protesting that 375 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: these folks were just unnecessarily complicating the lives of people 376 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: around them. You have the hundred and forties some people 377 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: that lived there right right right, And then it's not 378 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: the only this isn't the only gripe the old the 379 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: old timers have because they were also growing angry with 380 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: people that they considered to be dangerous being ushered into 381 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: the community because of their perceived electro sensitivity. So another 382 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: article here, just read a quote. A few years ago, 383 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: one disturbed electro sensitive flew into a rage at the 384 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: local library to crying the dumb hillbillies who surrounded her. 385 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: As the story goes, she ram page from the post 386 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: office to the bank to the auto shop, belligerently screaming, 387 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: before police finally ticketed her and banned her from a 388 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: couple of places around town. This woman has since moved. 389 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: So this this idea here, what you know, it escalated. 390 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 1: Then you can see both sides of it pretty pretty easily, 391 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: because people believe they have electric sensitivity, believe that they 392 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: have a solid um a solid dangerous and potentially lethal 393 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: medical condition. And then the people have been there for 394 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: a while think that they're being asked to transform their 395 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: entire day to day life for a stranger. Yeah, exactly, 396 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: I can. The only I'm trying to think of the 397 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: closest thing I can come to as an understanding of 398 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: what it would be like what it kind of reminds 399 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: me of gluten sensitivity or something like that. If you 400 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: were a restaurant owner and someone has truly has a 401 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: gluten sensitivity or what um, I forget what that with. 402 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: The official names for those are called well people as celiacs. 403 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: Do you have gluten sensitivity? So yeah, I mean then 404 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: having to change your your whole menu for somebody or 405 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: at least come up with something on the fly. I 406 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: can imagine having a even a small group of people, 407 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: when it's proportionally large, come into a town. I can 408 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: imagine how it would throw things off, and then there 409 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: would be all kinds of animosities generated there. Right, Yeah, 410 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: that's not that's not too bad of a comparison. It's 411 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: even more more critical, I would say, in a situation 412 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: where it's electricity rather than an ingredient commonly found in food, 413 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: because we rely so heavily on electricity as a species. 414 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: But that's not the only thing again in the quiet zone. 415 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: But those two things we mentioned so far, the Green 416 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: Bank Telescope and the electro sensitive communities are not, as 417 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: we said before, the only things in the quiet zone. 418 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: And we will learn about that right after a quick 419 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we are back, and you 420 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: know what that means. Here's where it gets crazy. You see, 421 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: Matt listeners, no, and so you are here in spirit. 422 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: The bird telescope, the Green Bank Telescope is not the 423 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: only show in town, or it wasn't. For a long time. 424 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: There was another place called Sugar Grove Station u S 425 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: Government communication site located in Pendleton County, West Virginia because 426 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: he is the thing about a place where no wireless 427 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 1: signals can exist. It's also good for preventing UH from 428 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: preventing remote compromise, essentially hacking. You want to store stuff 429 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: where people can't get to it, then you remove it 430 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: from the cloud or from any possible interference from an 431 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: outside source. So the National Security Agency operated this and 432 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: it according to an article by The New York Times 433 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: in it's heyday, the Sugar Grove station intercepted all international 434 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: communications entering the United States and this fell under something 435 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: called Naval Information Operations Command. In the Chief of Naval 436 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: Operations said the site was going to be closed by 437 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: September because they wanted to relocate the command's mission. Part 438 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: of the base have been transferred to General Services Administration 439 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: for sale, while another part of the base in the 440 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: south continues to operate. So when it first started, it 441 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: was in the nineteen sixties, just a few years after 442 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: the Quiet Zone was created with a six foot radio 443 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: telescope that would gather intelligence on Soviet radar and radio 444 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: signals reflected from the Moon. Yeah, and then was halted 445 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two before it was completed, And then 446 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: it was developed as a radio receiving station, the naval 447 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: radio station Sugar Grove there in six nine on May 448 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: tent and they added other antennas, dishes, domes and what 449 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: have you. Uh. And they also have another telescope. They 450 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: have several other dishes and they weren't operating alone. They 451 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: were part of something else. So we've talked about in 452 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: the past network that spans nations and spans borders and 453 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: the globe. Are you talking about yes? Also known as 454 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: five Eyes. Yeah, this is UH. This was a secret 455 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: code name Project Echelon for a surveillance program signal intelligence 456 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: collection and analysis for five different countries Australia, Canada, New Zealand, 457 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom and the United States, hence the name 458 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: five Eyes. Originally started in the sixties to monitor communications 459 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: of the Soviets and Soviet allies during the Cold War. 460 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: Of course it went wrong, the opponents would say, because 461 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: it was monitoring everything. It's that vacuum cleaner approach. So 462 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: they have other Um, they have other projects that are 463 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: under the Echelon system. Right, you'll you'll hear um. You 464 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: will hear things like uh. Software programs like Silkworth Sire, 465 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: a satellite named vortex. Uh, these are all these are 466 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: all affiliated with Echelon. Here's the way the Guardian described 467 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: Project Echelon, a global network of electronic spy stations that 468 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: can needs strop on telephones, fixes and computers. It can 469 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: even trek bank accounts. This information is stored in Echelon computers, 470 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: which can keep millions of records on individuals. Officially, however, 471 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: Issuelon does not exist. I'm getting such a KeyWe vibe 472 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: from that, I know. I went sorry, guys, Yeah, I've 473 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: been watching a lot of well, longtime listeners. You know 474 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: that we've been working on our KEYWI accents. And it 475 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: started Michael Caine and then it went to a flight 476 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: of the concords towards the end. Well, I'll keep working 477 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: at it. But uh, atrocious accident impersonations aside that is 478 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: that is a pretty good summary of it. People do 479 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: know that exist. European Parliament Investor Gate did this in 480 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousand one. It wasn't confirmed to exist 481 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: by Uncle Sam until two n s A newsletters from 482 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven and two thousand twelve, which were published 483 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: um as part of the Snowden revelations On two thousand 484 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: fifteen for the first time they confirmed that the n 485 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: s A did use this code word, and it was 486 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: part of an umbrella program called frosting, which was developed 487 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: all the way back in nineteen sixty six. So there, um, 488 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: they're listening all our old jokes about that intern Steve 489 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: uh might be might be more less funny and more 490 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: real than we thought. Hey, Ben, I just found something. 491 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: So on public dot Navy dot Mill, one of the 492 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: official public Navy sites, it states that sugar Grove the 493 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: Navy's presence in sugar Grove began in nineteen fifty five. 494 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: That's interesting, right, that the station is there than in 495 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: the quiet zone is established, and then in the nineties 496 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: sixties they begin building the telescope yea. So my thinking, 497 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: my thinking is that the Navy has a much deeper 498 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: hand in this than maybe is let On yeah, or 499 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: or the n s A or ultimately you know, once 500 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: you get this far into the alphabet soup of government agencies, 501 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: who really does run the show? Who pulls the strings? Well? Yeah, 502 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: because I feel like the Navy Information Operations Command at 503 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: sugar Grove was like the big ticket thing there, one 504 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: of the old rules that I invented. But I can't 505 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: get out of my head? Is that? What's the best 506 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: way to say it? The more bland and the more 507 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: innocuous the name of an agency is more dangerous that 508 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: agency comes if you. If you ever meet someone who's 509 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: asking strange questions and they say they work for uh, 510 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: the US Subcommittee on Collected Remarks or something. Run I 511 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: made that up. But run, don't run. They're just they're 512 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: just trying to get some helpful information from you. I 513 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: don't think you want to be a collected remark whatever 514 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: that means. But this, uh, this aside. We had some 515 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: great feedback on our video regarding the quiet Zone, and 516 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 1: one thing that a lot of people brought up, which 517 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: we wanted to bring up on the show here is 518 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: that Sugar Grove was placed what was placed on the 519 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: market for sale, uh And for a time it looked 520 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: like it was going to be purchased for about eleven 521 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: point two million dollars just as as recently as July 522 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: of this year. However, that failed and the bidding is 523 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: open now openly September. So if you would like to 524 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: buy a town that was formally one of the listening 525 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: posts for a pretty pretty dangerous broad brush intelligence program 526 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: and you've got some money to burn, Hey, why not 527 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: sugar grow? I don't know if you will be able 528 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: to even if you own the town institute too much 529 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: wireless activity. Yeah that's so true. But that is incredible 530 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: that there is a an entire town for sale, all 531 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: of the buildings, everything. You just buy it and it's yours. 532 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: We could make one heck of a commune ben or 533 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 1: a cult. I don't know. Yeah, I've been thinking about 534 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: a cult. Do you think do you think we If 535 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: we started a cult, though, I would want it to 536 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: do something um more productive or interesting than what cults 537 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: usually do. It could be an anti technology cult. We 538 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: could start like a big movement there. But what if 539 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: we still had to have a website? Well you know, 540 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: um yeah, now that's that's not bad. Or also we 541 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: could create a we could do one of those spinoffs 542 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: or excuse me, secessionist movement. I think spinoff is not 543 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: not a very um, not formal enough to describe that, 544 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, it seems like it's spot on for a 545 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: secessionist movement. It could be a collection of stuff. My 546 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: question would be, if you're buying a town, what sort 547 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: of research you need to do? You need to know 548 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: shipping routes, you need to know if there's access to 549 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: fresh water, you need to know if it's possible to 550 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: live off the land, like how independent or codependent would this? 551 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: Would this area be UM? And with the restrictions placed 552 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: on the people living there, would we be able to 553 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: get people to move to our cult? And then also 554 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 1: what kind of people are going to join an anti 555 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: technology cult? And there's got to be some of them 556 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: out there. We could get UM most of the people 557 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: who identify as electro sensitive. I think we could get 558 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: them there if we could provide, you know, the right 559 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: source resources. If we had if we had a Whole 560 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: Foods that's all, that's all we need to Whole Foods. Yeah, 561 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: that has no electricity. Okay, See there are problems with this. 562 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: It's problematic because I wouldn't want our cult to exploit anybody. 563 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: But we did a great video oh years back now, Matt, 564 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: about how to start a cult and a cults work, 565 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: which features some compelling performances by you and and Scott. Yeah, 566 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: and you're the cult leader that we refer to. You 567 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: are Tartu fur GOODO was not my idea. It wasn't 568 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: and I have apologized in the past for springing that 569 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: on you and making you a messionic figure, but I 570 00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: think it works so with this, with this bizarre situation, 571 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: this lack of transparency, It's like it's kind of like 572 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: Hitchcock's theory on monsters. You know, the stuff that happens 573 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: offscreen is scarier than anything you can depict UH in 574 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: a concrete way. So we have these swarms of UH 575 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and questions about the nature of this, of 576 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 1: this zone. And as people, as more people learn about 577 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: this and there are there are more and more people 578 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: are saying, you know, oh, this is a perfect place 579 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: for me because of my electro sensitivity, right, which at 580 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: this point, according to pure reviewed research, remains a very 581 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: controversial diagnosis with a lot of people doing self diagnosis. 582 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: So you can of course have sympathy or empathy for 583 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: people in this situation who no fundamentally that they have 584 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: some sort of condition, but then are being told that 585 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: it's not diagnosable, or it's not real, or it's all 586 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: in your head. So a place like this is very 587 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: much a refuge. And I would say that given the 588 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: despite the fact that they're having funding problems and make 589 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: close stuff down. I don't know the extent of the 590 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: infrastructure that would restrict signals. I don't know the extent 591 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: to which it would survive after these things get closed down. 592 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: And you know, some people, of course, would would love 593 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: for it to be closed down. Like imagine you're a kid, 594 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: you're fourteen years old, you're growing up in that area. 595 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: You want to move, Yeah, you want to get out 596 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: as soon as possible. I want to hop into some 597 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: of the theories around what this Navy station did. The 598 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: one of the big ones I've read in a lot 599 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: of plays, um you know, I had to say it, 600 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: but less reputable sources online where people are discussing the 601 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial connection, and what they're doing is connecting up the 602 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: Navy and this radio telescope, and what they're saying is 603 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: that there is right, there was at some point after 604 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: communication between an extra terrestrial race and the Navy, and 605 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: it occurred through that radio telescope I had. I have 606 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: heard people saying that if you want to find aliens, 607 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: the quiet zone would be one of the best places 608 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: to look. We know that a lot of very big 609 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: fish in the human species are pouring a lot of 610 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: money into renewing the search for extraterrestrial civilization or the 611 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: or the remnants of it, which would be much more 612 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: likely for us to find. Russian billionaire named Uri Milner 613 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: just gave a hundred million or recently gave a hundred 614 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: million dollars to set the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Center 615 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: at Berkeley University of California, and these things are operating 616 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: on These things have been operating on a shoestring budget 617 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: for a while. But they're hoping to use that money. Uh, 618 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: as of it was that happened, they were hoping to 619 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: use that money to rent out some time at the 620 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: Green Bank Telescope to search for uh, to search for 621 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: the stuff that said he would search for, you know, 622 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: extraneous signals, another wow signal, things like that. And the 623 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: logic for renting out the Green Bank Telescope is pretty 624 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: solid because the logic there is that this is the 625 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: place where we would most likely be able to hear 626 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: something right to two sense something, because even even the 627 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 1: smallest amount of interference can can completely void our listening 628 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 1: ability or render it, you know, statistically insignificant, like uh, 629 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's greeting cards that you open up and 630 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: they play music, right, so you open it up, it's 631 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:28,439 Speaker 1: like don't, don't, don't, don't, don't don't right right, yes, sorry, sorry, thanks. Um. 632 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: That can interfere with these kind of readings on. So 633 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: there's gonna be other listening. They're gonna be other listening operations. 634 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: But it is true that at least some forces, if 635 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: they don't believe that extraterrestrials have made contact with the 636 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: human species, they believe that Green Bank is the place 637 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: to start. Well, it's a good place to receive signals 638 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: if there are any. Um. The one of the one 639 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: of the pieces of evidence that was noted in the 640 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: forum where I was reading this was that there was 641 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: a nineteen telegram sent by the Chief of Naval Naval Operations, 642 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:14,320 Speaker 1: Edward W. Eberl Liberal, and it was just instructing the 643 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: Navy at the time to make sure to listen in 644 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,320 Speaker 1: to any possible radio communications that are coming from Mars. 645 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 1: And this was referring to a particular time when Mars 646 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: was I guess closest to the Earth as it would 647 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: be in the orbits. Um. But yeah, he's just saying, 648 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: note and report any electrical phenomenon unusual with of unusual 649 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: character and UH cover wide band frequencies as possible from 650 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: two hundred August twenty one August wait one. Okay, Oh, 651 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: and the whole thing was UH be careful of interfering traffic. 652 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: So the whole point in this this forum was that 653 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: this is the perfect place to have no interfering traffic 654 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,800 Speaker 1: and to just pinpoint a place and listen and possibly 655 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: received signal, the only problem being that space is huge. 656 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 1: It's it's massive. Radio signals are not very fast. And 657 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: for those view have checked out our earlier episodes on 658 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: the search for extraterrestrial or even extra dimensional life, you're 659 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 1: well aware that, at least in the terms of extra 660 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,320 Speaker 1: terrestrials still staying within our neighborhood of time and space, 661 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: the massive distances between between um one civilization and the 662 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: next in terms not only of physical space, but in 663 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 1: terms of time mean that how do we say, last time, 664 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: mean that not only is it way more probable that 665 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: other civilizations have existed or will exist just because of 666 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: thee as of space, that same factor makes it almost 667 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: certain that we will never talk to anyone, at least 668 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: if the same rules of time and space remain constant, 669 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: which they may not always apply. You know, we know 670 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: what goes on in our um our area of reality. 671 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: We know what generally, we know what occurs, but we're 672 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: kind of like, um, let's see, Matt, you you have 673 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: more experience with video games than I do. You know, 674 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: in role playing games, are in strategy games like um 675 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 1: as Civilization or something, certain parts of the map will 676 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,879 Speaker 1: be blocked off and invisible, or in horror movies when 677 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: someone's looking with that of course inevitably dying flickering flashlight. 678 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,839 Speaker 1: That's that's how we're approaching reality. And if you look 679 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: at the really really big stuff, and if you look 680 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: at the really really small stuff, quickly realize that we're 681 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: off the app. You know that we we know some 682 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: things exist, we can't explain them. We have much less 683 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: of an idea about the nature of the universe than 684 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 1: people would have us believe. And so the best we 685 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: can do is boldly make boldly make big swings, as 686 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: they would say in the corporate world, with things like 687 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 1: searching for alien life. Even if even if we know 688 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: the odds are so so stacked against us, who knows, 689 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,439 Speaker 1: maybe maybe we discover something that I don't know how 690 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: like beautiful and heartbreaking would it be to go to 691 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 1: another planet and discover something billions and billions of years old, 692 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: most clearly, you know, just left behind. I always think 693 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,359 Speaker 1: about that stuff too, man, when when I'm gonna throw 694 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 1: away things for yeah, because I'm thinking, you know, thousands 695 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: of years from now, if this thing is still around, 696 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: it'll be in a museum. Gosh. I mean, look at 697 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 1: the older civilization gets, the more important the stuff they 698 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: left behind becomes so true. It's so true and so weird. Then, 699 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,439 Speaker 1: before we get off Aliens, I just want to ask 700 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: you if you have seen the Wiki leaks Podesta emails 701 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: that were just they just can out. I have heard 702 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 1: of these, but I have not read them yet. So 703 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 1: there's one on there, and it isn't that significant for 704 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,879 Speaker 1: various reasons that we'll get into, but it is fascinating. 705 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: It's a message from Edgar D. Mitchell h. He is 706 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,399 Speaker 1: the chief science officer and founder of Quan Track. He's 707 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: also an Apollo fourteenth astronaut and the sixth man to 708 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: walk on the Moon. That's what it says in his signature, 709 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: and it's also true, which is pretty awesome. He sent 710 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:55,319 Speaker 1: an email to Podesta and it says it's urgent that 711 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: we agree on a date and time to meet to 712 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: discuss disclosure and zero point energy at your earliest available 713 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: after your departure. Uh. This is one of the emails. 714 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: It says a colleague is working on a new space 715 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 1: treaty siting involvement with Russia and China. However, with Russia's 716 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: extreme interference and you were in Ukraine, I believe he 717 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,799 Speaker 1: must pursue another route for peace in space and ZPE 718 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: on Earth, zero zero point energy. He's talking about UM. Uh. 719 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: President Obama's childhood friend that he met and they discussed 720 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 1: some of this stuff on the mission in Geneva. UM 721 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: he's been talking with He's been talking with all these people, 722 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,840 Speaker 1: these influential governmental people about zero point energy. UM. And 723 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: again these are just emails to uh Hillary Clinton, right, 724 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,399 Speaker 1: and to the Obama administration by this guy, So it's 725 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 1: not like it's there's a back and forth discussion. But 726 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: in another email, he specifically talked about the E T 727 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: I S and how they're going to bring us U 728 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: zero point energy if we if we continue to have 729 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 1: war both on Earth and in space, and then they're 730 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: not going to bring us to zero point energy anyway, 731 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 1: it's just a fascinating fun thing to think about that 732 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 1: this former astronaut, right, I guess he's a former astronaut. 733 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 1: He's an astronaut um and was on one of the 734 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: most important missions going to the Moon, and John put 735 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: us that after that was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager UM 736 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:31,879 Speaker 1: during the most recent Clinton campaign. So it's interesting that 737 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: we see we see astronauts talking about this or pursuing 738 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: this because, you know, aside from all the scare tactics 739 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: which are which are completely valid and they'll get to 740 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: those in a second, the discovery of alien intelligence will 741 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,439 Speaker 1: be one of the most significant, well probably the most 742 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: significant thing that has ever happened to us as a collective. 743 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,399 Speaker 1: The only thing that we'll compare with that will be, uh, 744 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: machine consciousness, which will probably run into first. And you 745 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 1: know what if we're contacted through the vast gulfs of 746 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: time and space by a machine consciousness, you know, we 747 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 1: don't we don't talk about this too often because it 748 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 1: hurts the human ego, but I often think about larger 749 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:34,879 Speaker 1: interspecial life cycles. So human beings, uh and others. All 750 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: of you listening now, if you are a human being 751 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,719 Speaker 1: like nonmath or so many other people. Then you are 752 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: an agglomeration of very very tiny creatures. You are much 753 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 1: more like a city or a town or a world 754 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 1: than you are single entity. And were these creatures capable 755 00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:00,880 Speaker 1: of thought, this would probably amaze and befuddled. Um. The 756 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: little things that live in your lower in tests and 757 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,279 Speaker 1: aren't spending too much time thinking of your brain and 758 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: management and whether you're going to call your high school sweetheart. 759 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: They may have no concept of what those things are, 760 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,000 Speaker 1: right exactly, this would be absolutely irrelevant information to them, 761 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: unless the food would change because of that situation. But 762 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: I say that because if there's a symmetry too, if 763 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: there's a symmetry to the universe, then it we are 764 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: erroneous when we assume that the human being or human 765 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 1: civilization is the epitome of what reality has to offer, 766 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,839 Speaker 1: because we're not doing that great of a job. I mean, 767 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,319 Speaker 1: we're doing something. I guess we could get the Good 768 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,520 Speaker 1: Hustle Award at the geez at the end. You're right, 769 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,040 Speaker 1: we have weird religions. That's one and um, and I'll 770 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,440 Speaker 1: say again, yes, you heard me correctly. The economy is 771 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: another weird religion, and future historians will no doubt have 772 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: some condescending and very valid things to say about that 773 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: kind of pursuit. But with that being said, what about 774 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: this I ev answer you this concept. Human beings are 775 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: not the end goal of of evolutionary civilization anymore so 776 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,399 Speaker 1: than the microbes living inside us with the end goal 777 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 1: of evolution. Right. Instead, they are assisting a larger thing, 778 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,839 Speaker 1: a diastalt thing. And what if human beings. What if 779 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: our entire purpose or entire contribution as organic life forms 780 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 1: is only to midwife a machine consciousness that does not 781 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:50,719 Speaker 1: suffer from the same dependencies upon environment as our species. 782 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:56,240 Speaker 1: What if all of the civilizations exploring the stars are 783 00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,000 Speaker 1: essentially created by planet bound to rest streels. You know 784 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: what I mean? What? What? Because? What? What is the 785 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 1: alternative for an organic thing to live on that scale 786 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: of time? It would be like um, it would be 787 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: like a microbe, right, And it makes no sense to 788 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,319 Speaker 1: have a space faring biological entity that just does it 789 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,640 Speaker 1: doesn't compute. It makes so much more sense to have 790 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,399 Speaker 1: some kind of mechanical intelligence, right, or to change the 791 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: rules of the game, change the rule the playing board, 792 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:35,480 Speaker 1: so encounter some sort of extra dimensional travel. Well, however, 793 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,959 Speaker 1: this time, although we know we know in the very 794 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:44,440 Speaker 1: very very very very very small infintesimal scales. We know 795 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,520 Speaker 1: that something screwy is going on with time and space, right, 796 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:54,799 Speaker 1: but we don't know very much about the big, big, big, big, big, big, 797 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: big big picture, and we don't know for sure what 798 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: those effects are on contemporary time and space. Contemporary means 799 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 1: occurring at the at the same time, So the time 800 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 1: and space that we're all sharing, whether you are hearing 801 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: this podcast now or thousands of years from now, which 802 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,279 Speaker 1: is strange. We should probably do an update then, How 803 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 1: did you get to this point where you're listening to them? 804 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh right in and tell us what 805 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: the future is like. We are having a we are 806 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,400 Speaker 1: having an annual Time Travelers meet up yesterday every Yesterday. 807 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 1: We meet up regularly on Yesterday at four pm. So 808 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,839 Speaker 1: with with this, I know we're getting a little off 809 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,000 Speaker 1: topic when we're speculating here, but I have to ask 810 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 1: you that would you could you ever see yourself living 811 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 1: in a quiet zone like this? Absolutely? Really? Yes? Why 812 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,920 Speaker 1: is that? Because if my Xbox three sixty still works 813 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,360 Speaker 1: and I still have a bunch of games, and I 814 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,880 Speaker 1: have my wife, and I have my son, and I 815 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 1: have a drum kick it, then dude, I will be 816 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,000 Speaker 1: good to go. And if there's a copious amounts of 817 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,319 Speaker 1: wood to chop, as like a separate time consumption thing, 818 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 1: yeah I would. I would live there at heartbeat. So 819 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,080 Speaker 1: what do you, um, But what do you think the 820 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,120 Speaker 1: effect of that would be on your child? I think 821 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:24,479 Speaker 1: it would be incredible. Yes, I had letting him grow 822 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 1: up not connected to all of this stuff, the distractions 823 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,320 Speaker 1: that I have in my daily life and my work 824 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: life and my home life. If I didn't, if he 825 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: didn't have a cell phone with games on it that 826 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,799 Speaker 1: he could look down at every time he gets uncomfortable 827 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,440 Speaker 1: in public. I mean, this is all me projecting on 828 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,799 Speaker 1: my son, But I mean this is just the way 829 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,879 Speaker 1: I feel. If for a long time, I didn't want 830 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,080 Speaker 1: to get a smartphone, and I fought against it for 831 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,759 Speaker 1: about four years as the smartphones were coming out, because 832 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: I really felt like it was a distraction or something 833 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,440 Speaker 1: that I would just constantly be using. UM And I 834 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 1: still feel that way. It worries It worries me how 835 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,280 Speaker 1: much I depend on that kind of stuff, or depend 836 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,520 Speaker 1: on YouTube videos to watch and entertain me while I'm 837 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,799 Speaker 1: trying to work, or something like that people. People do 838 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: get addicted to cell phones. You realize that the studies 839 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,200 Speaker 1: show that there's a spike and the feel good chemicals 840 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: when you check something and it says, you know, you 841 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,120 Speaker 1: have an alert, Yeah, notifications, that kind of stuff. Noel 842 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 1: Brown liked your Instagram post man and I don't know why. 843 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,040 Speaker 1: It's a Warlock's voice. But and we do so much 844 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 1: social media for this show. I don't know if you 845 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: guys realize how much work goes into maintaining our social 846 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:48,040 Speaker 1: media accounts. Um, it's it's wonderful and communicating like, having 847 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 1: that open line of communication is essential and it's amazing. 848 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 1: And being able to get, you know, ideas from you 849 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 1: guys and then talking to you it's incredible. I hear 850 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,760 Speaker 1: a butt coming, what's your But but the amount of 851 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,240 Speaker 1: almost obsession you have to have to keep up with 852 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,800 Speaker 1: it very well. Yeah, it's um, it's daunting, and again 853 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,919 Speaker 1: it makes me nervous about the future of humanity. Well, 854 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,919 Speaker 1: I like it because I think overall it's a good thing. Overall, 855 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 1: it is more humanizing to be able to say to 856 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 1: someone in Thailand or in uh, what's another place to 857 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 1: be Trinidad another place It begins with a t someone 858 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: in Trinidad here's some things. When in Thailand here's something, 859 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 1: and they call somebody in Tallahassee and they're like, whoa, 860 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,480 Speaker 1: that's amazing to check this out, Roger, And yeah, it's cool, 861 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,200 Speaker 1: but it's um But it's also dehumanizing in the same 862 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 1: way I think it's. Yeah, it is, it is arguable. 863 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: But what we're doing is we're entering the We're just 864 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: as people officially called this the age of man, the 865 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 1: anthroposyn uh, we are entering the age of the machine mind. 866 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:02,880 Speaker 1: You know, We're entering the age where people if if 867 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:09,600 Speaker 1: there's unless there's some civilization and catastrophe, the people born 868 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 1: a few generations after your son's generation are going to 869 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:21,080 Speaker 1: be increasingly increasingly melded with technology. It's just inescapable. I 870 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,800 Speaker 1: mean you, it may eventually be a gadagous situation where 871 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 1: it's considered a de facto crime not to use Crisper 872 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,240 Speaker 1: on a child. Right, well, I look forward to that day. 873 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,400 Speaker 1: You look forward to running away to the quiet zone. 874 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 1: For now, I'm going to train my boy to be, 875 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, some kind of agent of I don't know. 876 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 1: Maybe he's going to be a spy an Asian and 877 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,800 Speaker 1: and stop it from happening for an agency so mysterious 878 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,920 Speaker 1: that even he doesn't know who he works for. The 879 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 1: subcommittee uncollected remarks that he's going to be the head 880 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,200 Speaker 1: of that stuff. Well, speaking of social media folks, but 881 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,200 Speaker 1: I want to take a I can and thank everybody 882 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,640 Speaker 1: for the fantastic suggestions we've been getting and some of 883 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,800 Speaker 1: the amazing stuff that mostly Matt has been finding for 884 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,760 Speaker 1: our Facebook page, and go there and check it out 885 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,240 Speaker 1: if you want to see a lot of stuff that 886 01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: may or may not make it to air, and sometimes 887 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 1: it can be a little more topical. Sometimes it can 888 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,080 Speaker 1: be blast from the past or just strange or just 889 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:26,000 Speaker 1: strange and unusual. We are conspiracy stuff at Facebook and Twitter, 890 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,320 Speaker 1: where you can where you can talk to us directly. 891 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,600 Speaker 1: And you can also check out every audio podcast we 892 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: have ever done, including the ones we mentioned earlier in 893 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,480 Speaker 1: this show on our website Stuff they Don't Want you 894 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,920 Speaker 1: to Know dot Com. And if you want to check 895 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: out the video that we made for the National Quiet Zone, 896 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,720 Speaker 1: you can just go to our YouTube page. We are 897 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff there as well. 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