1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Global business news twenty four hours a day. If Bloomberg 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: dot com, the radio plus mobile app and on your 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: radio is a Bloomberg Business flash and I'm Karen Moscow. 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: This updates ROSSI. You buy Eisner Emperor. 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Treasuries 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: are higher as oil falls, US Dock Index futures reversed. 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: The clients they're moving higher sm B EVENI futures up 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: four and a half points, now eveny futures up forty 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: two NASADAC eveny futures up ten decks. In Germany's up 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: one point eight percent ten Your treasury of four thirty 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: seconds the yield one point seven three percent. Nime ex 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: screwed oil down three tents per center ten cents to 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: thirty two oh five of barrel and comex Schold is 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: down half percent or six dollars ten sense to twelve 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: thirty three and ounce the euro at all ten thirty 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: nine and the yen one twelve point five one. That's 22 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: a Bloomberg business flash. Tom and Mike Karen, I think 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: so much, greatly appreciate a good morning Everyone features up 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: five as Karen mentions a better tape Steen Jacobson with 25 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 1: us A Saxo Bank Copenhagen, Steen a lot of pros 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: that we speak to. Look at Asia d X Y 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: which partitions are blended bundled Asia currency next including China, 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: but does not include the yen. How do you look 29 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: at the prism that is different Asia currencies. Well, I 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: think a lot of what goes on in China, even 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: in the worst cases, contained because they have the financial 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: ability to maneuver and do something. And that is also 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: the case for a lot of the currencies included in 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: the H and D s Y. But in Japan you 35 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: have a free trading martgage, you don't have the ability 36 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: anymore of the center bank of the political system to help. 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: So I think the yen remains the most important single 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: Asian currency that together with Ossie, which I think is 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: the proxy for all of Asia's growth and the potential 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: on the dollar. I think in Assie you actually have 41 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: everything you need to know about the world in terms 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: of economic development. Why then everybody get everybody gets so 43 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: upset about movements in the Chinese room NV because there's 44 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: a change from the standard operation procedure that we've seen 45 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: over time, which is a sort of a lazy tag 46 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: to the U. S dollar now. And I think it's 47 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: totally misunderstood. And I think, with all respect for anglew 48 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: section educated economists, they tend to look at China with 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: the eyes of a balance sheet. The balance sheet of 50 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: China is one pool of capital. It is a long plan. 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: It's not a short it's not it's not a soft landing. 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: It's not a heart lending. It's a long landing. And 53 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I think in between, you know, trying to find a 54 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: hard or soft landing and not recognizing this a long landing, 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: you miss the point that on the currency side, where 56 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: China wants is to internationalize the REMEMBY. The internationalization of 57 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: the RMBY is a natural extension of the Asian Investment 58 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: Bank of the geopolitical strategy of closing in on a 59 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: trading zone that goes from the Eastern Seas street boarder 60 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: of China to Venetia and then all the way down 61 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: to Capo. Don't forget in tenuous time, I will wage 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: you a good dinner at a steakhouse in New York 63 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: that most of the piney think to the Asian markets 64 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: will come from not come from the US raised dollar liabilities, 65 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: but it would be raised from China and remainbe so 66 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: the you know, a long answer to a short question. 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Remainber internationalization is the answer to your question, Well, we're 68 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: making a reservation right now, but kick it up here. 69 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: But I do want to point out the shot the 70 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: young man from Copenhagen took it Anglo Saxon houses bankers strategists. 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: Did you see that he took a shot from Copenhagen, 72 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: you add the bank It was like a Baltic shot, 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: you know. Put Are you confident? So you're confident that 74 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: the Chinese are going to be able to manage the 75 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: transition to a the un being a reserve currency. Yes, 76 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: and that I'm very confident enough. But but my my 77 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: confidence doesn't go to the fact that I think it's 78 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: a good model or a great model, or in different model. 79 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is that when you don't 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: understand an economy, and clearly a lot of people, including 81 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: myself do not get the Chinese economy, but you cannot 82 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: do it from a a premise of trying to figure 83 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: out the assets and liability. Don't forget that the whole 84 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: exercise by the government in China is to penalize the 85 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: private saving which is roughly anywhere between forty and fifty 86 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: percent of GDP. I mean, this private saving rate in 87 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: the U s is five percent of GDP. Which of 88 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: these two countries do you think has the great ability 89 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: to do mistakes over the next twenty years? Thank you, 90 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Steve Jacobson greatly appreciate it. With 91 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: Saxelbank put out a bunch of SoC show you'll look 92 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: for this out under our digital products all Mike Mr 93 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,119 Speaker 1: Bullard speaking over at saying they say that's the French version, 94 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: saying they say, I love this quote. Fed not on 95 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: freight train path. You have to be the St. Louis 96 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: Bank to say fed knot on a freight train path 97 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: those trains passing through the midway. Basically, he's trying to 98 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: reassure the markets that it's not automatic, that you're going 99 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: to see a rate increase every other meeting. Um, he 100 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: has switched sides. He was one of the more anxious 101 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: to raise rates last year. Now he's concerned to give 102 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: speech last night upon which this is all based. UM 103 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: expanding on his view that inflation expectations have fallen too 104 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: far and that will make it harder to get inflation up, 105 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: and that means FED should not be raising rates and 106 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: the forward guide stein Swank out in the Midwest as 107 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: well in Chicago. Um, as St. Louis is wet of Chicago. 108 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: Is that I think I can barely say. It's a 109 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: very good question. My only knowledge is is the baseball 110 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: team wins. The others don't. North and South here. But 111 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: but this headline is important and goes to what ms 112 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: Swank dtr Swank said yesterday, which is want to get 113 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: away from predicting number of rap rises, which is what 114 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: what is forward guidance? Michael, how do you def Okay, 115 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: that's what That's what I was hoping to have it. 116 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: I mean, they wanted, they want to have it, but 117 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: they haven't figured out what they want. They wanted both ways, 118 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: but they haven't figured out how to do it yet. Yeah, 119 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: I'll go with that, and that's with respect. Is it 120 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: work in progress? Shameless plug five am Tomorrow Morning Surveillance 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Television. Mike, I maybe we can drag you 122 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: out for this if we can figure out the schedule. 123 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 1: Robert Hormace and Richard Berner talking about a move back 124 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: to pre crisis when they were on the Watch at 125 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: Golden Sax and Morgan Stanley. It took Rachel Worsban, our 126 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: executive producer, had to jump through like eighteen hoops to 127 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: get the Burner entourage to agree with the Hormett's entourage. Yes, 128 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: but really looking forward to that. We'll try to get 129 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: you out there. 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