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Speaker 2: I know not only that blacker, but more. Tiffany girlsivity

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Speaker 3: Beautiful.

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Speaker 2: We call you adult Chase since you just got back

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Speaker 1: By my African name. Yes I know. So I was like, so,

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Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about the trip if I may,

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Speaker 3: but follow your ladies lead. I'm obsessed with all things African.

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Speaker 3: I have an African name, so I'm I'm na tiffanyin.

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Speaker 3: I went to Ghana like a name. Okay, well I

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Speaker 3: And so I went to Gana and had a naming ceremony,

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Speaker 3: and that's my name, and tell me yours again. Adulci

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like the Peggy and I'll be Nandy Africa,

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Speaker 1: Hustle. I said you could, all right, so we are

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Speaker 1: welcoming to the show. Tiffany de Cross most recently hosted

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Speaker 1: author of Saying Louder Black Voters White Narratives and Saving

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Speaker 1: Harvard Kennedy Schools Institute of Politics. Her broad experience across media, politics,

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Speaker 3: This is an old bio, this is it? Oh, you

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Speaker 3: got all the important stuff, but this is I mean.

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Speaker 3: I didn't mean. I'm sorry, I'm rude, girl.

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Speaker 1: I know I felt that when who read my bio. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: she's the girl when it comes to like all things media,

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Speaker 3: Hey tippin it. Hey ladies, I'm so happy to be here,

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Speaker 3: and can I just first face congratulations, see you ladies,

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Speaker 3: of my sisters. But y'all are my sisters in many ways,

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Speaker 3: including in journalism. So thank you for posting me, having

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so excited to have you.

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Speaker 1: So we have you in here. But like I said,

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Speaker 3: Which one girl?

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Speaker 2: I feel so deeply for Cassie, and I have but

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Speaker 3: Distracts feel well, yeah, Kendrick. So Drake accused Kendrick of

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Speaker 1: So everyone has a plan until they get punched in

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this is alleged. But Kid Cutty, who

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Speaker 1: was dating Cassie when she left him. So this is

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Speaker 1: not someone she's not thinking, oh will he harm people.

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Speaker 1: He's showing her I can do whatever because this is

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine to meet her. She has a

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Speaker 1: podcast called Ratchet and Respectable, and she talked about obviously

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Speaker 1: this is a legit as well. She talked about a

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Speaker 1: friend of hers who worked for bad Boy at some

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Speaker 1: point and told just a really violent story and how

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Speaker 1: he had Cassie come into the room he was having

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Speaker 1: like a meeting like with his executives or you know,

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Speaker 1: have her cat her come into the room and punched

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Speaker 1: her or hit her until she fell to the ground

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Speaker 1: and when they got up, you know, the people in

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Speaker 1: the room gasping like what to help her? He told

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Speaker 1: everybody to sit down and cursed everyone out and said

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Speaker 1: manja business, and she laid on the floor and cried

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Speaker 1: while he continued the meeting. Where's a girl like that

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Speaker 1: supposed to go?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she said, I do just want to say, Tiffany,

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Speaker 3: there are reasoor I hear you.

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Speaker 1: You know, but I'm just saying that because this is

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Speaker 1: for the people who I'm not saying. I'm not I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that she shouldn't have. What I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: people are saying as if like it's just so easy.

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Speaker 1: It's like she's looking around to say, I feel alone.

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Speaker 1: I'm in a world people, and nothing's happened. We saw

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Speaker 1: what he tell She told her just go home, we'll

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Speaker 1: take care of it, and he bought it. She's looking like,

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Speaker 1: there's no place where I'm safe. The hotel won't protect me.

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Speaker 1: His bodyguards are not going to protect me, His executives

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Speaker 1: are not going to protect me. He's already proven to

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Speaker 1: be so violent. Like, so I can understand her reasoning.

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Speaker 1: Of course there are, but I can understand her reasoning

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Speaker 1: of like, I don't know that there's a place safe

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Speaker 1: for me to go. And I've heard from so many

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Speaker 1: women who have been in situations like that that they

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Speaker 1: didn't feel they didn't know that they had a safe

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Speaker 1: place to go because he made it very clear that

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Speaker 1: he would harm anyone in in that woman's life. So

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Speaker 1: that's not the truth that there is no safe place.

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Speaker 1: But I can understand the thinking because people think, like,

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Speaker 1: why do you stay? Because it feels and you have

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Speaker 1: empathy for this symphony as people.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think what you're saying is very different

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Speaker 3: from what a lot of the people online and say.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's almost like blame and you're saying no,

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Speaker 3: I empathize with that. I mean petrified. You are petrified,

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Speaker 3: You're literally frozen. I this is, this is and is

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Speaker 3: not a shameless plug. But I do want to say

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Speaker 3: we have. When I saw this video, I was so

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Speaker 3: moved and triggered by it, I disrupted our schedule on

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Speaker 3: Across Generations. We have a special episode that comes out

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Speaker 3: on domestic violence and I speak with across generations each week.

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Speaker 3: It's an elder, a younger, and me. Yet it Tiffany

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Speaker 3: cross across generations.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So, so I have an elder, a seasoned woman in

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Speaker 3: her sixties, and a younger woman who's in her twenties,

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Speaker 3: and they're both survivors of domestic violence. And one of

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Speaker 3: the women killed her husband served twelve years in prison.

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Speaker 3: Another woman, her husband is an ex husband now is

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Speaker 3: still in prison because he almost ended her life. And

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Speaker 3: we hear the harrowing testimony. But what striking ladies is

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Speaker 3: these women are decades apart. So the amount of resources

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Speaker 3: that was available to one that was not available to

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Speaker 3: the other. Uh, and yet both of their testimonies are

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Speaker 3: very much the same. And it was I was bawling

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Speaker 3: during this episode, like you just want to hold hold

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Speaker 3: these women and hug them. So I distress to anybody

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Speaker 3: if you're in that situation, please seek help, call somebody

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Speaker 3: the Domestic Violence Hotline. I don't know what off the

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Speaker 3: top of my head, but I got it right here

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Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 2: You can also chat with them live. If you go

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Speaker 2: to thethhotline dot org you can do a live chat.

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Speaker 2: You can also text them at eight eight seven eight eight. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And we'll put that in the show notes for y'all.

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Speaker 1: And so just so for those of you who didn't

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Speaker 1: catch it, So Tiffany Tiffany C has a podcast called

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Speaker 1: Cross Generation Across Generations or.

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Speaker 3: Just cross Across Generations, Across Generations. She was across Generations.

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Speaker 1: I got her most episode where she addressed this is horrific.

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Speaker 2: We got to stop using black women as like one

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Speaker 2: like to see him post Mother's Day was just passing

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Speaker 2: away and to see him because that would pop up

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Speaker 2: on my feet and I'm like, why the fuck am

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Speaker 2: I still following him? But anyway, post about his ex

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Speaker 2: Kim who passed away to I don't know, several years

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Speaker 2: ago she died to post like a beautiful tribute to

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Speaker 2: her as a mother, you know, and to post all all.

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Speaker 3: The mothers, all the mothers, and it's just back to

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Speaker 3: back to back.

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Speaker 2: He did all the moms.

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Speaker 3: It was his mom, and then it was first baby Mama,

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Speaker 3: second baby baby Mama. The Irish twins were all the

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Speaker 3: baby mamas who were pregnant at the same time it was.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I really don't. I try to reserve

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Speaker 3: my judgment on how people live their life, have at it, whatever,

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Speaker 3: do you, But I do think there's something it's just

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Speaker 3: tacky about the way that he conducted his affairs.

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Speaker 2: It's disgusting, it is, and I hope that he is

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Speaker 2: rightfully he gets his just desserts, and it has to be.

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Speaker 2: We cannot ignore it just because he's a black man

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Speaker 2: in power. That whole excuse has to die. It's disgusting

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Speaker 2: that we should diminish our pain and diminish a suffering

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Speaker 2: to protect someone who's not protecting us. It's absolutely outrageous.

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Speaker 3: And women safe to stop doing that. Sometimes we contributed

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Speaker 3: that misogyny as.

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Speaker 2: Well and telling the women to start.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a weird Stockholm syndrome where when I read

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Speaker 3: or somebody post something about a woman done wrong, some

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Speaker 3: of the loudest, harshest critics sometimes are other women instead

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Speaker 3: of expressing empathy for the woman. So I hope that

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Speaker 3: we can challenge ourselves to not have that outlook too.

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Speaker 2: Should we take a little woosaw take a break.

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Speaker 3: I only bring this up because I know you guys

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Speaker 3: wanted to talk about this, and I did wuz, but

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Speaker 3: I'm also kind of pissed off like you guys about

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Speaker 3: something else too, And Tiffany brought it up.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna bring but we're like

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Speaker 1: I do. We had to. There's just no way we

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Speaker 1: could have had this episode or now.

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Speaker 2: This is just a small example of why I got

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Speaker 2: out of Daily News, and I commend you, Tiffany for

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Speaker 2: still staying in that field. It is trying. We gotta

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Speaker 2: talk about how you do self care. We did a

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Speaker 2: kick creaky break though, won't be right back, Dan Fan

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Speaker 2: with more with our incredible guest Tiffany Cross.

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Speaker 1: And we want to talk about being bad built. That's

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite insults. You bad built bitch, so.

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Speaker 3: Like a thing. Yeah, is that. Yes, it was Leach

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Speaker 3: bad butch body it was beautiful alliteration by Congressman jas

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Speaker 3: and Crockett. So okay, the I believe it was. The

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Speaker 3: Oversight Committee was reading in the House of Representative is

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Speaker 3: in Congress, and the House is the lower chamber under

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Speaker 3: the Senate, and the committee hearing was all about Merrick Garland,

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Speaker 3: the Attorney General of the United States. And so Marjorie

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Speaker 3: Taylor Green Trump maga right wing extremists, zealots and a halfway,

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Speaker 3: if I may. She is constantly being disruptive in this

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Speaker 3: committee hearing and really in life like she is, you know,

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Speaker 3: disruptive and desperately seeking attention. And she asked a question,

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Speaker 3: does anybody on this committee employee some judge's son and

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Speaker 3: Congressoman Jazz and Crockett, congressman from Texas UH said what

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Speaker 3: does that have to do with anything? And Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 3: Green responded with some nonsense, and she said, maybe your

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Speaker 3: fake eyelashes are getting in the way. And you know,

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Speaker 3: for all the non melanated people who might be tuning

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Speaker 3: in and you hear somebody say, oh, you picked the

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Speaker 3: right one today. When someone says that you have indeed

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Speaker 3: picked the wrong one, and Marjorie Taylor Green that day

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Speaker 3: had indeed picked the wrong one, and so they were

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Speaker 3: trying to admonish her. Congressman Alexandria Ocascio Cortes AOC was

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Speaker 3: trying to get her words uh stricken, and they wanted

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Speaker 3: her to apologize, and Marjorie Taylor Green said she's not apologizing,

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Speaker 3: and so they were asking the committee chair.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Congressman Jazmon Crockett so beautifully asked the committee chair, So,

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Speaker 3: mister chairman, if I start talking about someone's uh beach

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Speaker 3: bleached but badly built butch body, is that talking about

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Speaker 3: someone's personality? And the chair.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I googled it to make sure we get it right.

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Speaker 2: Bleach blonde, bad built, butch body. Man is some guy.

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Speaker 1: Who created cocktail.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but the pale blonde, I mean, come on, it's.

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Speaker 3: Too perfect accuracy in her description as well. If you

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Speaker 3: don't know Marjorie Taylor Green, congratulations, but if you're still

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Speaker 3: inclined if you google her, I mean it really not

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Speaker 3: only was the alliteration beautifully and well timed, but the

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Speaker 3: descriptor was I would say pretty accurate. But here's look,

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Speaker 3: I applaud Congress from a Jasmin Crockett. I think there

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Speaker 3: is something to be said. You know, we all remember

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Speaker 3: Forever flowtus Michelle Obama saying when they go low, we

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Speaker 3: go high. But there is something to saying I will

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Speaker 3: meet you where you are. If you come at me

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Speaker 3: with this energy, I will meet you exactly there. And

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Speaker 3: I think sometimes to get into the political spectrum, Democrats

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Speaker 3: do have a habit of being very highbrow and we're

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Speaker 3: above it. And that political playbook was ripped up in

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, and so for me, some people they think

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Speaker 3: there's some reward in abiding by this structure that you know,

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Speaker 3: mostly white men build and create and many white women

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Speaker 3: help uphold. And I think there is something, and you

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Speaker 3: have to be ready to face the consequences. Some people

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Speaker 3: want to mumble and walk away, like you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: forget them. Let's have the discussion right here, right now,

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Speaker 3: and maybe next time you'll think twice. Because they only

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Speaker 3: act a full like that when they are not outnumbered,

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Speaker 3: when they're the majority. That's why you don't see MAGA

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Speaker 3: rallies on campus as the HBCUs. You did not see

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Speaker 3: January sixth march through southeast DC because because the pre

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Speaker 3: gentrified neighborhood was going to have a response for all

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Speaker 3: those Trump supporters and Martie Taylor Green should Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: be re elected. I mean, she stands positioned. She could

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Speaker 3: be a committee chair, she could be Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 3: She could have outsized power when it comes to our

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Speaker 3: foreign policy domestic policy. Jasmine Crockett is an educated woman.

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Speaker 3: She's an attorney. She was a very instrumental figure in

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Speaker 3: the Texas State Legislature. She replaced a Congressman, Eddie Bernice

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Speaker 3: Johnson in Congress. She's an active member of the Congressional

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Speaker 3: Black Caucus. She's a talented woman, and she has to

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Speaker 3: square off with this ignorant, batshit crazy banjo picking cousin Dayton,

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Speaker 3: half witted idiot from the Red Hills of Georgia who

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Speaker 3: stumbled her way into Congress by dat writing Donald Trump being.

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Speaker 2: From Georgia, I don't claim her.

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Speaker 3: I'm from the AA, I am from Are you from Mandy?

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Speaker 2: I'm from all over Atlanta? But yeah, I'm County.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and I grew up in Cobb County. Oh nice,

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Speaker 3: I went to high school.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we can come. I mean, it's fine,

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Speaker 2: but we must I agree like and if if you

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Speaker 2: have ever had an argument where you didn't think of

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Speaker 2: the right thing to say in that moment, like she

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Speaker 2: and she must that's a smart woman right there, But

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Speaker 2: like to pull that out, I'm like, forget the consequences.

649
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: And I'm sure there's lots of thought pieces on whether

650
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: or not we should be lobbing insults based on physical appearance.

651
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: But like the fact that she said what she wanted

652
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: to say in the moment when she needed to say it.

653
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: I just feel like she slept so good that night.

654
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, shout out to Congressman Jazz and cracking.

655
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey, everyone knows her name now. I feel like, right, that's.

656
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Speaker 3: Not her first moment. She's had several moments on the

657
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Speaker 3: Hill where she has been ready, whether she's questioning a

658
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: witness who has come to testify before Congress, or back

659
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: and forth with her Republican counterparts. She is consistently ready.

660
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 3: So this one happened to go more viral, but she's

661
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: had a few viral moments, So I hope to see

662
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: her in the sentence. It'd be hard because Texas, you know,

663
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 3: has very we keep saying that is the purple state.

664
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Speaker 3: We have yet to see it, but it could be

665
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Speaker 3: a battle ground if folks down there did the right thing.

666
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Speaker 2: Imagine Texas selecting that would be that would be wild Georgia.

667
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Speaker 2: I feel like it's a lot more purple than Texas.

668
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: Well, george is officially purple. Now Georgia is officially a

669
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Speaker 3: battleground Texas, they keep saying, because it's one of the

670
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Speaker 3: first that will be a majority minority state. And so

671
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 3: the Latino population is the largest ethnic group in Texas,

672
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: and it's a huge black population there as well. So collectively,

673
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: I think those demographics are gonna flip. I don't know.

674
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Speaker 3: I don't think they flipped already, but before the next

675
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: census they'll they'll flip. But every time, like Bett wal

676
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: Work ran for Senate there, I mean, there have been

677
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: people trying to disrupt the political infrastructure of Texas and

678
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: it's been a challenge. So I hope they do. Georgia

679
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: did it, and so I think, you know, everybody says

680
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: the South, you.

681
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Speaker 2: Know, is pred I'm waiting for the governor, Like that's

682
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Speaker 2: what I'm like, Stacy no oh in Georgia.

683
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Speaker 3: Well no, but Georgia flipped down ballot. But Georgia flipped.

684
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: They they flipped the whole state. They won the presidential

685
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: they won the Senate, they won some of the ballot initiatives.

686
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: But yes, but that's something to talk about, honestly, Mandy,

687
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 3: because Brian Kemp an expert in voter suppression, Republican governor.

688
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: He ran on anti choice rhetoric in twenty sixteen, so

689
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: you know, the abortion fight came later, but a lot

690
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: of that shitty policy bubbles up from the state legislature

691
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: and he was one of the first people to do it.

692
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: In twenty sixteen, white women outpaced white men in voting

693
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Speaker 3: for him, So we'll see what happens when he's up

694
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: for reelection. But there was something about that split ticket

695
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: where people were voting for Senators Ossif and Warnock but

696
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: not Stacy Abrams.

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00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't know what doesn't for me. I

698
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: struggle with it.

699
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 3: I do them.

700
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to. Yeah, I do want to, like

701
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: an you know, Stacy Abrams, she was like criticized for

702
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: the black men not liking her enough and like really

703
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: struggling with the blackmail audience, which is, I feel like

704
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: the opposite of our conversation about Diddy earlier. We protect them,

705
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: but they don't have our backs, so okay, yeah, but

706
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: it's just it's I don't want to focus on the

707
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: negative so much, but when it comes to Georgia, I'm

708
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: just like, come on it because for me, state politics,

709
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: I just wish it was so much more important to

710
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: people and the local state, county level like all those

711
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: it all bubbles up, you know. Can I ask you

712
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: a bit about your career though? Because I went to

713
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Speaker 2: the where'd you go to school? I went to Uga

714
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Speaker 2: oh Clark, Okay, cause I studied journalism at at the

715
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: Journalism College. We're not trying to call it grady anymore

716
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: because racist slave owner. But if you throw a rock

717
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: in Athens, Georgia, you're gonna pay a name of someone

718
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: who was a slave owner. But anyway, I want to

719
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: hear about, you know, your career and how do you

720
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: come to you know, be this incredible like speaker and

721
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: have your own podcast and be your own media brand

722
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: unto itself and how does it well? I asked so

723
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: many questions at once, but my second question is like

724
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: self care because it's tough. I did start in traditional journalism.

725
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: I you know, my niche was business and finance and

726
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: I you know, there's a lot of crossover into politics,

727
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: but I wasn't in it. In it, in it you

728
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: have been through so many you know, huge like flash

729
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: points in our history and having to cover that, like

730
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: how how do you manage that? How do you take

731
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Speaker 2: care of yourself so that doesn't start quickly?

732
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Speaker 3: And the talk about my career briefly, I have always

733
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: wanted to work in journalism. I always tell people I

734
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: wanted to be the Brown Murphy Brown. I say that

735
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: and some people look at me and say, who Mrvey Brown?

736
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Speaker 3: So I'm aging myself. Yes, I'm that age now where

737
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: people ask, But anyway, I yeah, that was my goal

738
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Speaker 3: in life because if you can't see yourself, you don't

739
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: even know what to aspire to be. And there was

740
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Speaker 3: nobody who looked like me doing news as I wanted

741
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: to do it, except for Murphy Brown. I was, you know,

742
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: young during the dawn of OPRAH, but she was more

743
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: talk show and not news at the point that she

744
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: came on the national scene. So my entire life was

745
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: geared towards that. I knew this is what I wanted

746
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: to do. And even before I knew the nation's capital

747
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 3: was a thing I envisioned I would live there at

748
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: some point, and so I got a job in radio.

749
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Speaker 3: First that you'll appreciate this, Mandy being from Atlanta V

750
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Speaker 3: one O three doing the morning news. Yes, I did

751
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: the morning news, honey, I'm sure learning show. Yes, well,

752
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: shout out to Frankskie. He lost his son recently, so

753
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to send thoughts and prayers to him. But yeah,

754
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: the franks Ski Morning Show. And listen, when I started

755
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: doing news, you couldn't have told me I wasn't Barbara

756
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: Walters because I was treating those low news cut in

757
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: like it was the biggest thing.

758
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: And you're I was super family, thought you were famous.

759
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: I bet.

760
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: I was praying to the Lord, like, thank you, Lord,

761
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: if you won't do nothing else for me, I'm working

762
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: at you we know three. I'm about to be able

763
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: to go into Banana Republic and make it rain. I

764
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Speaker 3: might even give me a little Honda sivingubling on mene me.

765
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Speaker 3: That was mine, that was my ambition, and thank God

766
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: the Lord had a bigger vision on my life than

767
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: I did. Not that there's anything wrong with doing that,

768
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: but that you know, I look back and it's like

769
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: my my dreams, my future put my dreams to shame,

770
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: you know where where I would later go, because I

771
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: thought that was my peak. And so after that job,

772
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: I landed at CNN. I was at the TSU Classic

773
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: and I met somebody who was a hiring manager at CNN.

774
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: He was an executive and this was before the internet

775
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: and everybody had smartphones, and I used to carry around

776
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: hard copies of my resume and I gave him a

777
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 3: copy of my resume and just said, I just give

778
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: me a chance. And he said, all I can do

779
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: is get you an interview. That's all I need. And

780
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: so I eventually started working at CNN. They relocated me

781
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: to Washington, d C. To cover Capitol Hills. I did

782
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: all the weekend shows, and I bounced around from different

783
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: newsrooms and Mandy, you'll be able to appreciate this. I

784
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 3: never felt welcome in any of them. I always felt

785
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: like an interloper. I always felt like an outsider, and certainly,

786
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: as a young person entering the business, I made mistakes,

787
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: but so the fuck did everybody else, you know. But

788
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: as a black woman, I had no godfather. I had

789
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: nobody there to, you know, protect me from myself or

790
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 3: protect me from other people. It seemed like this effort

791
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: to get rid of me, you know, and make me

792
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: feel as unwelcome as possible. I remember Bob Novak, he

793
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: was a famed, infamous Chicago sometimes columnist, right wing conservative,

794
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: and I remember him saying to me one day, do

795
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: you have asked me who was which administration invented Social Security?

796
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: And I did not know the answer, and I was,

797
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: you know, kind of shamed in front of my colleagues,

798
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: and I apologize for this Iron's guy. Every They're coming

799
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: to get me because they hear me about this season. True,

800
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: now I lived downtowns, they're always Syrons. But anyway, I

801
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: didn't know. I felt shamed, and I just something in me,

802
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: the inner voice in us that we need to listen

803
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: to all the time. I thought if I asked him

804
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: juxtaposed for me, the difference in the economic beliefs of W. E. B.

805
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: Du Bois and Booker T. Washington, he would not be

806
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: able to answer that question. And yet these were two

807
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: people from the same time period, same you know, outlook,

808
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: And somehow the history that he knew seemed more important

809
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 3: to him and everyone else, and the history that where

810
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: I was better versed was not as important. And I

811
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: had to decide for myself that their perspective didn't matter.

812
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: I they would talk about Friends, you know, everybody would

813
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: come in the office and talk about the episode of

814
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: Friends they came on last night, how much they loved it.

815
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: And I watched Friends, but I also watched Martin, I

816
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: watched The Different World.

817
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: You know.

818
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Speaker 3: They would talk about movies. They would talk about there's

819
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: something about Mary and drop these classic lines from those movies. Well,

820
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: I watched something about Mary, but I also watched Coming

821
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: to America and Boomerang, and it's like I dropped those

822
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: classic lines right back at them, because, guess what, my

823
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: lived experience count just as much as yours. But these

824
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: are the things that can happen in the private sector,

825
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: in corporate America, in the public sector, where you feel

826
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: so isolated, you feel like the only and I was

827
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: the only and there wasn't anybody around who could identify

828
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: with me culturally or even professionally. What they thought was news,

829
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: I did not think was news. And so after navigating

830
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: different newsrooms, I was going in and out of news,

831
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: and I got enough and I started my own business.

832
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: I raised seven figures in seed funding, and this was

833
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. Seventeen eighteen nineteen, I had a platform called

834
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 3: The Beat DC and it was this is when all

835
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: the newsletters were launching, and there was nothing that identify

836
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: five black people, brown people, api people with you know

837
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: people in politics. It was all very white centered. And

838
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: I was just so tired of that because even in

839
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: news and they would tell me what's appropriate. Again, Mandy,

840
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm preca acquired here, but what's considered

841
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: unbiased and appropriate is often rooted in what's white and male.

842
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: Everywhere I was these these ideas and ideologies were just,

843
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: you know, a white structure, and it was exhausting, and

844
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 3: so I wanted to build something that highlighted the rising

845
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 3: majority of this country, the people of color in this country.

846
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: And that is when I made the transition from the

847
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 3: control room to the green room and I started appearing

848
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: on camera. Even though I had worked in news and

849
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: in cable news for like twenty years, at that point,

850
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: I was just starting to be on camera. And so

851
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: when I started doing on camera commentary, my sister, my

852
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: dear friend, Joy Reid was transitioning from her show on

853
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: the weekends Am Joy on MSNBC, and she was moving

854
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: to primetime. First black woman to host primetime show and

855
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: cable news Yes, and they reached out to me to

856
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: audition to be her replacement, and eventually I got that show.

857
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 3: We were extremely successful. We were averaging four point six

858
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: million viewers a month, and everything on my show centered

859
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: us in the rising majority. I stayed mission driven. When

860
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: I was very young. My mission was always to live

861
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: in service to black folks, and so no matter what

862
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: I was doing or where I was doing it, I

863
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: was true to that mission and that didn't change here.

864
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to fight for the equality and liberation of

865
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 3: black folks and all people of color, which benefits everyone

866
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 3: white folks too, And so on my show, every expert,

867
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: every person you heard from was black, Asian, American, Pacific Islander, Latino,

868
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: or Indigenous. How often do you see indigenous people on

869
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: television talking about these issues that were not necessarily related

870
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: to anything indigenous. So we would talk about issues relevant

871
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: to the community, but we'd also talk about Ukraine. We'd

872
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: also talk about our foreign policy, the rise of the

873
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: Global South, all these things that we'd have discussion on

874
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: with experts who just happened to look like you. When

875
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: we had white people on, they were going to be

876
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: talking about issues relevant to the community. When we talked

877
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: about white women voting against their own interests, I don't

878
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: need to hear from a bunch of black folks about that.

879
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: Bring me some white women on this set. Give me

880
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: four white women, and let's talk about why they vote

881
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: on their interests. When we talk about welfare, give me

882
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 3: the phase of welfare, because proportionately it is not black women.

883
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: That was a Ronald Reagan trope, but it is not.

884
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: The face of welfare was a college educated white woman.

885
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: So give me a college educated white woman on this set.

886
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: And so in doing that, I made enemies. I disrupted

887
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 3: a structure, and I committed the cardinal sin of making

888
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: white folks uncomfortable. And so Fox News took notice. All

889
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: the right wing took notice. I was getting threats, I

890
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: was getting hate mail, hate speech, all of it. The

891
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: network set nothing. They unceremoniously canceled my show four days

892
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: before midterms. We had exclusive interview booked with Stacy Abrams.

893
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: It was awful. I mean, the ground dropped from anner me.

894
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: And so after that, I, you know, all these people

895
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 3: who I didn't realize what the show meant to people

896
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 3: because I was in it. I was doing the work

897
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: every week, and so it was such an outcry. And

898
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: one of the first emails I got was from Will

899
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: Packer who said Will Packer Media would love to be

900
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: in business with Tiffany Cross.

901
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: Oh and yeah, I remember the outcry. You know, I

902
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: was you didn't mention, but I know NABJ must be

903
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: a part of your journey, is it.

904
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: No, they are a part of my journey. They were

905
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: not a part of the chorus of people expressing outreachings. Unfunnyly,

906
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: I have some issues with an ABJ, but I will

907
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: give NAP a shout out because that's where I learned

908
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: to cut a package, the NABJ Urban Journalism Workshop when

909
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: I was just fifteen years old. I mean, they do

910
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: amazing work. I think it gets complicated at the national

911
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: level because they take money from NBC Universal and all

912
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: the networks, and so when these networks do something shitty

913
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: there often and like a lot of the civil rights organizations,

914
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 3: quite frankly, same thing, and so there really is no accountability.

915
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: And so at this point, I think NABJ is an

916
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: amazing organization for younger people, for students. It's great resource.

917
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: I think when you get to my level. I am

918
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: starting to question, what the fuck are you guys there

919
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: for if you're not going to ally for people, if

920
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: you're taking money from Disney, and an ESPN or ABC

921
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: reporter is saying, hey, I'm having this issue. If you're gonna,

922
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 3: you know, favor profit and money, which you know it

923
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: takes that kind of money the organization run, then I

924
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: just have some questions about that with NABJ. So, unfortunately

925
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: I am not affiliated with NABJ anymore. I don't anticipate

926
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: that changing in the future, but I do encourage young

927
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 3: people to definitely the conferences at all of it's it's

928
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: it's crucially important. But yes, the outcome.

929
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: I brought it up only because you did.

930
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: I'm happy you did.

931
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: Nobody because black media elites. I feel like we're really

932
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: like spreading the word about what happened to you with

933
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 2: MSNBC and that outpouring of love. And I always wondered, like, okay,

934
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: so what's next, like where you know who? And I'm

935
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: so happy to hear that you got that email and

936
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: so is that how long has it been? That was

937
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.

938
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 3: That was twenty twenty two when it happened, and then

939
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: afterwards I went to Ghana. Like Tiffany, I found solace

940
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 3: in the continent and it was just an amazing time.

941
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 3: I went with my friend Sunny Houston, who's the co

942
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: host at the View, my sister Angela Rye, my sister

943
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: Licia Garz is the founder of Black Lives Matter, a

944
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: collection of our our girl group uh When, and we

945
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: just had an amazing time and got centered, and I

946
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: came back and I got to work. I had show treatments.

947
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: Angela also wanted to do a podcast together, so she

948
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 3: and I and our brother Andrew Gillam launched one where

949
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: we can talk about politics. But I honestly needed a break,

950
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,479
Speaker 3: you guys, Like, I was so tired upholding the white

951
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: man's democracy and talking about this and I'm like, yeah,

952
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: i all want to turn this bitch over to Trump,

953
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: and I'm fucking tired of trying to talk you out

954
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: of it. You know. I needed a place. I needed

955
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: an outlet and across generations. Was really that. I'm so

956
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: grateful to Will Black Women's Center, Will Success. He and

957
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: I had known each other for some years, so he

958
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: was familiar with my work, my show, me as a person,

959
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: and we work really really well together. And it makes

960
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: such a difference to work with someone where you don't

961
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 3: have to defend and define your humanity every five seconds.

962
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 3: Because on my show, I mean imagine the things I

963
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: was talking about every week, there was a fight every

964
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: week with the executives and it's like, no, do this

965
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: Trump segment or do cover some bullshit minutia that happened

966
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill. And we were the highest rated show

967
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 3: on the weekend, So it was really weird. I'm like,

968
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 3: go talk to some of these other shows that are

969
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: doing fucked up ass ratings, like why are you staying

970
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: in my show? And we far outperform everybody else, even

971
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 3: Morning Joe. We're getting more ratings than your favorite ass

972
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: white boy and you still fucking with my show. It

973
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 3: was frustrating, and as a black person in that space,

974
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 3: you can start to think, am.

975
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: I fucking crazy?

976
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: Like I don't understand what is happening. So I'm happy

977
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: to be in partnership with Will and his incredible team.

978
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: We work very well together, and so the show that

979
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: I wanted to do, I like you all. I imagine.

980
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: I used to sit at the table with my grandmother

981
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 3: when I was real little, just a baby, and we

982
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: used to sit in the kitchen table in the morning.

983
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: She would be having her coffee and making you know,

984
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 3: fishing grits and all that pimpshit and we would sit

985
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: there and she I was so curious about her. I

986
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: was being her soux chef, but I was curious, and

987
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: I'd ask her questions and we'd have conversations about life

988
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: and love and joy and grief and pain and happiness

989
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: and how to harness some of these positives and how

990
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: to navigate some of these negatives. And while I was

991
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 3: being her sooux chef, she was teaching me about life.

992
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 3: And she would let me get through three or four

993
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 3: questions before she would just lose it on my ass.

994
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: I was like, like, Grandma, why did you move to Chicago?

995
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: How old was Uncle Charles when this happened? How'd you

996
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 3: hit that car? And finally she'd say, okay, child, enough

997
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: come of these onions, or you know, let me show

998
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: you this maca cheese goose was like where you put

999
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: in the oven? So but I miss her so much,

1000
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 3: and I lost her in twenty fourteen. And so when

1001
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: I look at the younger landscape of women, I think

1002
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 3: y'all got to need some gladys read in your life

1003
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: that was my grandmother, and young women reach out to

1004
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: me like I need a mentor and can we talk?

1005
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you a full grown ass when you're

1006
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 3: twenty eight, Like I'm still trying to get my shit together.

1007
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you know, when you talk to

1008
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 3: somebody twenty eight, it's like, yes, ma'am, I am almost

1009
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 3: pleasure age, and yes I do have wisdom because in

1010
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: my mind I'm twenty eight. But then when I'm confronted

1011
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: with somebody's They're like, novis you are not twenty eight

1012
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: when you are as middle aged woman. And so I

1013
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 3: wanted to I was like, how can I satisfy my

1014
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 3: own desire for nourishment from the oracle and stage that

1015
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 3: is black women while also sharing wisdom with younger women.

1016
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: And so just the magic that happens, you guys, when

1017
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: we come together, the three of us here right now,

1018
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: three black women. If you by even one person, even

1019
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: one person who don't look like us, our entire dynamic changes.

1020
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: Now.

1021
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: Mandy and Tiffany, I don't know y'all, but I know y'all.

1022
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: Y'all don't know me, but you know me immediately. I

1023
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: know who you are. Y'all know who I am. You know,

1024
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: and there's something there is no other group where that exists.

1025
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 3: I think it's something magical about black people. But Black

1026
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: womanhood is amazing. And so I'm sitting across from people

1027
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: who I don't know on set and we get so

1028
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 3: deep into our lives where we shed tears, we laugh hysterically,

1029
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 3: we finish each other's sentences. It's not Tiffany the journalist

1030
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: interviewing them. It is Tiffany the person engaging in deep, intimate,

1031
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 3: emotional conversation about life, love, grief, loss, loss of a child,

1032
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: loss of a husband, about sex, even even lighthearted topics.

1033
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: Somebody in their twenties has a very different attitude from

1034
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 3: somebody in there. Listen. So on that episode, we have

1035
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 3: an eighty five year old woman on that yeah, across

1036
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: from a twenty something, And let me tell you, the

1037
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 3: eighty five year old had the most exciting life of

1038
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: all of us. She taught me a new curse word,

1039
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: I'd be missus Teeny was her name, and Miss Teeny,

1040
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 3: miss Teenie is. We have celebrities on the show, but

1041
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: it's not celebrity driven, like miss Teenie is that old

1042
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: woman and the boogie down, you know, take care of

1043
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: people's kids. Community, right, the community. Honey. Miss Teenie was like,

1044
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: let me tell you about these men.

1045
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 2: I'll be right back.

1046
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 3: What that's just saying? These are the conversations I just

1047
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: had a conversation with sex workers. I mean, do you

1048
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: think about I think about that a lot. If you

1049
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: were doing sex work in your twenties, what is life

1050
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: like for you in your fifties or sixties or seventies,

1051
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 3: and so especially now because the way sex work has changed.

1052
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 3: And so you have someone we had Cinnamon Life who's

1053
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: in her fifties and she did it all, like from

1054
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 3: the corner to porn, to camming to all the things.

1055
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 3: Where then you had somebody younger, we have this woman

1056
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: is being nasty who was the only fan superstar and

1057
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 3: she's making like forty to fifty grand a month and

1058
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 3: nobody touches her. And so these two women across generations

1059
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: where the money looks different. And they told me some

1060
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: wild shit about racism and porn industry, crazy things. So

1061
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 3: we have a conversation about church. Y'all know, old people

1062
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: like you better go to turk and pray, and young

1063
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: people like we ain't messing with church said much like that.

1064
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 3: And so we have these two women, and the older

1065
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: woman happened to be the atheist, and we have v

1066
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 3: simone On who was deep in her walk in faith.

1067
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 3: So we I'm telling whatever y'all talk about, we talking

1068
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: about it. Whatever you talk about around with your grandmama,

1069
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 3: your mama's we talk about it. We talked about having

1070
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 3: complicated relationships with our mom and mama trauma. That was

1071
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: probably the most emotional episode. I got like three words in.

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00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 3: I was like, guys, I talk about my mom all

1073
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 3: the time. It's fine. I'm ready to go. And I

1074
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: got three words in. I was like, I was the

1075
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: ugly cry of that show. So yeah, we run the gambit.

1076
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: We run the gambit, and we're building brick by brick.

1077
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 3: So podcasting is definitely different. But I'm used to like

1078
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: four point six, you know, billion viewers a month, and

1079
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: so sometimes the podcast numbers, I have to remember it's

1080
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: a slow process.

1081
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: You launched in a hell of a year because Apple's

1082
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: been effing with its algorithm.

1083
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: Yes, what is up with what they have y'all found

1084
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 3: in building and having your brown girl ambition? What has

1085
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: been the the keys to success for this pod and

1086
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: what has been some of the more challenging parts of

1087
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 3: building what you all would build.

1088
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: You're making me get emotional because I'm just looking at Tiffany, Like, Tiffany.

1089
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 3: I love how y'all met. Y'all met organically. I was like,

1090
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: let's do this.

1091
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: I so much.

1092
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like no expectations for like five years.

1093
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, just showing up and just like I didn't realize

1094
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: I was.

1095
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: Twenty six, you know, no stakes.

1096
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1097
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 3: Also too, It's like.

1098
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: I think the vast majority of podcasts just were not consistent.

1099
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: Especially when we came out. People were like, oh, now

1100
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm busy next week. But me and Mandy literally every week,

1101
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: whether we used to do it in person and then online,

1102
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: and even if we switched the day, we really have

1103
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: not missed like a week, or if we did, it

1104
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: was really intentional, like when Mandy had her baby and

1105
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: so like you know so, but there was always a podcast,

1106
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: and I think people just came to say, like, we

1107
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: know that Branna Bishen is going to be here, and

1108
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: so that helped a lot. And also too vulnerability, like

1109
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, Mandy's my friend in real life, and so

1110
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll forget because we'll be talking and then I'll

1111
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: see someone now and someone's like, oh, my gosh, you know,

1112
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: how was whatever? I'm like, how you?

1113
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: No?

1114
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: Oh, doesn't you know? There is just this openness in

1115
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: this vulnerability plus too, I mean, it's been so long

1116
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: people have grown up with this. I mean they have

1117
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: seen marriage, they have seen that, they have seen babies wow.

1118
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: They have seen loss of job, they have seen starting

1119
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: up businesses. They have seen everything through with us because

1120
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: we discussed mental health issues, everything. And you know what,

1121
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: it's like your favorite TV show that's been my favorite one.

1122
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: I'm like yours. You don't know A Grey's Anatomy. Like

1123
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: these shows that have been around for seasons after season

1124
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: after season, they keep the emotional like there's a there's

1125
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: a love story at the heart of Brown Ambition, which

1126
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 2: is me and Tiffany, and I feel like we can

1127
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: bring in different guests, but at the heart of our

1128
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: podcast is the relationship between the two of us, and

1129
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: we're like the two characters that you want to root for.

1130
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 2: It's like seeing Doctor Weber and Miranda Bailey and Grey's

1131
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: Anatomy like the last two other than Ellen Pompeimo Pompeo,

1132
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: who's already left the last two like original cast members

1133
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: that I love to see them, and I think that's

1134
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: what it is. Tiff I don't know if I said

1135
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: that out loud before, but I think that connection, which

1136
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: in a chat show where you're interviewing guests, we don't

1137
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: do that all the time. A lot of the time

1138
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: it's just Tiffany and I. Sometimes we just prefer it.

1139
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: We're like, well, talk about but with you, and it

1140
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: just feels like we have a third co host.

1141
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 3: But I love it. Thank you guys, I think, yeah,

1142
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: I love your chemistry together.

1143
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

1144
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah you really like personalities, yeah, and you can. I

1145
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: think that makes a difference, like when people try to

1146
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: force you know, like it has to be organic and

1147
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 3: when people like try to bullshit people, you know, when

1148
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 3: you're not vulnerable, when you're putting only your best self,

1149
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: you know, like I can tell you guys, it's no filter,

1150
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 3: you know, it's like, no, this is what it is.

1151
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 3: Even how we started it was like I tell you

1152
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: about Africa firs. You know, like I just I love

1153
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: the whole is very organic. You get to get a

1154
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 3: peek into two girlfriends talking. That's what it feels like.

1155
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: That's what it really is.

1156
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: It's like if we like some value, yes, obviously take

1157
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: your gems. We get some gems.

1158
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. I think that people really like that part

1159
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: where it's just like, oh, this is how me and

1160
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: my friend talk. It's like, yeah, friends, was there a

1161
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: turning point for you guys where it went from where

1162
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: we're building to oh, no, we're built, and now we're

1163
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: building bigger.

1164
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: Well, now we can cash checks that we like. Yeah,

1165
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know, it's hard. I feel like

1166
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: you asked that. No one's ever it's it's it's cool

1167
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: to be seen as a success by you. I mean,

1168
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm just like, you know, I think Tiffany and I

1169
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: are always wanting to do more, and I think we

1170
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: both feel like we're still on the cusp of the

1171
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: really blowing up, you know what I mean. But I

1172
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, Tiffany, what what do you think? Has

1173
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: there been a turning point? You know what?

1174
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: It is that like Nandy and I have always just

1175
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: been committed to being like well because Mandy when she

1176
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: was an editor, it was just like we had other

1177
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: sources of income, so it was like, oh, if it

1178
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: makes money, great, But it wasn't like, oh my gosh,

1179
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: like so us to just organically kind of find our way.

1180
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: And so now that it is, you know, we're getting

1181
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: more and more serious, but it just for the first like,

1182
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, five years, we really were just like, I mean,

1183
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: if it makes money, that's cool, but ultimately we're doing

1184
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: a thing that we enjoy doing because we're friends. Yeah.

1185
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 3: I don't know about that luxury, Yes, I know, I know.

1186
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 3: I mean we have like investors, you know, will put

1187
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: money in. To be honest with you, guys, we treat

1188
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 3: across generations like a television show. Okay, so our audio

1189
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 3: drops every Tuesday and video drops every Wednesday, but like

1190
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 3: we build a set, you know, we are people come

1191
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 3: join us on set, and it's like a beautifully deck

1192
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 3: because Will and I are both visual people. We're TV people,

1193
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, and film people, and so we're both you know,

1194
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 3: kind of novices at podcasting. And I what I found

1195
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 3: is there are people who are definitely podcasters, who like,

1196
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 3: I want to listen to this while I'm cleaning, while

1197
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 3: I'm doing whatever, but I'm building community through audio. And

1198
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 3: then there are people who are strictly like no, I

1199
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 3: want to see I want to you know, see who

1200
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: who's talking. I want to see what you're wearing. I

1201
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: want to see your facial expression, which helps on a

1202
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: show like this because you know, I can give you

1203
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 3: guys a look now that we will all know what

1204
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: it means, but if you're listening, you might not catch it.

1205
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: You know, well you got You're gonna be on YouTube, right.

1206
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 3: We're on YouTube because.

1207
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 2: YouTube has been great for us, and you know, Tiffany,

1208
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: we get so much engagement in our comments on YouTube too.

1209
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: Go over and read them because it is it's like, oh,

1210
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: I love your outfit, it's cute. Are they really? I

1211
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: think there are people who like to just turn on

1212
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 2: YouTube and maybe they will clean the house.

1213
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 3: So I think you've got next. Like I'm telling you,

1214
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: there is more people.

1215
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 2: You have been that girl TikTok took the shine, but

1216
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: I think YouTube is still that girl.

1217
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: But I even mean in terms of in terms of

1218
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: broadcast provider. You know, linear television is a dying beast.

1219
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: I think we all know that in cord cutting. This

1220
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: is in December, so I imagine the scales have tipped now.

1221
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 3: But in December, the same amount of people had cable

1222
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 3: as amount of people who didn't like The numbers were

1223
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 3: even this was in December and it was averaging something

1224
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 3: like one hundred thousand a month or something. So you

1225
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 3: imagine now that we're going into Q three twenty twenty four,

1226
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 3: for sure that number hits they like, not less and less.

1227
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: Few or fewer people have cable now and YouTube has

1228
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 3: now surpassed all other providers in terms of being an

1229
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: outlet for how people watch TV. I did that baffle

1230
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 3: by mind. I itches TV.

1231
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty bucks a month, it's like having cable.

1232
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, but also just like I get a lot

1233
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: of my stuff on YouTube because I can get directly

1234
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: to where I want, I can rewatch it, I can

1235
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: watch it.

1236
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 3: When you want your fingertips and transit on the fly

1237
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: any at any point.

1238
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, so the SEO is important for YouTube, and

1239
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: like if your videos I would just say, like technically

1240
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 2: make sure their SEO is on point so that when

1241
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,959
Speaker 2: people are searching, they can find your show and that'll

1242
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 2: pop up. And coming on a show like ours is

1243
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: so crucial, like doing a cross promotion to be doing

1244
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: a better job of that tip going on other shows

1245
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 2: that have a similar audience.

1246
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: And one of the number one manager you can do

1247
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: is to go another podcast because podcasts. People are podcast listeners,

1248
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: so I'm always on the hunt for a good podcast.

1249
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: So when I'm listening to a podcast I like, I'm like, oh,

1250
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: I like her, And that's usually how I find most podcasts.

1251
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: People find podcasts from other podcasts.

1252
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, and to this this didn't feel like work.

1253
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: Yes, well I'm going to have these two ladies, So

1254
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: finding other podcasts that you're like, oh, that's like my

1255
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: type of listener and being like, okay, let me see

1256
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: if I can go on and we can swap, because

1257
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, people come fluct like I was on a

1258
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: Mel Robins show, which is not necessarily my podcast listener,

1259
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,479
Speaker 1: but I got my website like Spiked, you know, because

1260
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: when you're on these shows and things like that, you know,

1261
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: then it just sends all this traffic to whatever it

1262
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: is that you're promoting or whatever it is that you're doing.

1263
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: But also too, I think to me, the number one

1264
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: thing I see just see overall brand building is building

1265
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: community around the brand, you know, like, where's there place

1266
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: where your community can discuss the show together? You know,

1267
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: like you know, like I know a lot of people

1268
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: have like Patreons. Do you guys have Patreon?

1269
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,479
Speaker 2: No patres on the show.

1270
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I have Patreon. It's about maybe like four thousand

1271
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: patrons and they pay like ten twenty bucks a month.

1272
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: But I teach business like mentorship.

1273
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: There what kind of business?

1274
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what kind of business do I have?

1275
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 2: No?

1276
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: You said you teach business stuff? What kind of business?

1277
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: Well, I'm well, well no, just mentorship. So like, how

1278
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: do you start a business? How do you scale? How

1279
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: do you like? All the stuff that people ask me?

1280
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: Can you be my mentor?

1281
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, where were you in twenty sixteen when

1282
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 3: I'm starting to.

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 2: And so like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just but but like building community. One

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Speaker 1: of my favorite, all time favorite communities. It's like such

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Speaker 1: a sleeper. Is this brand called Girl Trek.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not familiar Girl Trien, you know, so I.

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Speaker 1: Love but if you Girl Trek is that they are?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I could swap communities with them? They

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01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: are a powerhouse. A Girl Trek drops a T shirt

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01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: expecting thirty seconds more T shirts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every I don't know.

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01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: I think it's every few years or so they fly

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01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: to Colorado and have all these black women come and

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01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: they do summer camp for black women. I'm talking about

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01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: down to matching tube socks T shirts like grown forty

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01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: thirty year old women like it is like this like

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: release that you could be to get to be your

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01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: little girl stuff, You get to jump, you get to

1301
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: double Dutch sound bath, some'mores. It's incredible And like I

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01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: whenever I walk in my park, I mean I will

1303
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: see somebody with an electric blue Girl Trak t shirt on.

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01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean the Girl Trek community reps hard because they

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01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: have they have done a really good job of taking

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01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: community from offline to in person as well. And I

1307
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: think it is like to me, that's something I'm working

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01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: on on the budget east side that that is it's

1309
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: like this. More and more people are not realizing that

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01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: people are wanting true connection and Girl Trek helps to

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01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: create and foster connection. So just considering that, like how

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01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: can I like, can you do pop ups in person?

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01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 3: Like where are some things you can do so your community?

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01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: Because for when it comes to building great community, you

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01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: have to remember that people come for you, but they

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01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: stay for each other. So how do you create this

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01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: stay for each other part? So how could they talk

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01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: about cross connection? Like did you see Vincent? What about this?

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 3: And do you have text Messa, I had that community,

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01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: but Cross Connection I had that community. Like we there

1321
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,759
Speaker 3: were diehards, you know, and the bulk of my audience

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01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 3: was white, you know, like there were definitely people. When

1323
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 3: I left, I was off air for a year. I

1324
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 3: just needed that time to myself, to you know, to

1325
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 3: cook these projects that I wanted to do, but also

1326
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 3: to relax, to breed, to explore. The ground had just

1327
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 3: dropped from under me, so I needed to study myself

1328
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 3: and my finances together all those things. So Across Generations

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01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 3: I do want to build. Well, no, you were right,

1330
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 3: because Cross Connection was my show. Across Generations is the

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01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: new show in the podcast space. And so I've been

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01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 3: looking at women like you guys, and what other black

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01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 3: women are doing. And one thing I find interesting is

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01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 3: that more Black women are become podcast listeners with the

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01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 3: more black content content creators there are. And it just showed, like,

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01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 3: I don't understand what people are resistant to it. It's

1337
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 3: like we we make dollars and we make sense. We hope,

1338
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 3: you know, bottom line. So I it's definitely been a journey,

1339
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 3: but I love your Both of you guys have a

1340
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 3: background in business and I can talk about anything. Had

1341
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 3: you guys said, hey, we're going to talk about whatever.

1342
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm game, let's do it. The one thing

1343
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 3: I cannot talk about with intelligence or expertise is like

1344
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 3: the markets, you know, like finance.

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01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, markets, Okay, So.

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01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 3: Mandy, I love when you're like I was in business

1347
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 3: and finance. I'm like, that is something and I try,

1348
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 3: like I, you know, have a subscription to the journal.

1349
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 3: I'll read the Financial Times. I mostly read the op

1350
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 3: ed pages in the journal. But even when I try

1351
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 3: to read like the business section, it's more like I'm

1352
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 3: looking for the personality and like the big business stories.

1353
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 3: When I try to read like something that is strictly

1354
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 3: on the economy, like you know, Paul Krugman column or something,

1355
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 3: you know, it's like I'm struggling a little bit, like

1356
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm googling a lot. So I really admire and respect

1357
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 3: both you guys that you have a background, and I

1358
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 3: imagined that those transferable skills and now it's that helped

1359
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 3: build your platform as well. Well.

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01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: Our focus is broad an ambitions career in finance, you know,

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: and it was finance first, like I was at Yahoo

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: Finance at the time. Tiffany with the budget needs to

1363
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 2: starting out, and I think the fact that we have

1364
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: a recurring theme, so you know you're coming here and

1365
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna get It's unusual for us to spend a

1366
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: lot of time talking politics unless there's like a personal,

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 2: finance or career connection at all.

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 3: That political stuff means no, no, no no.

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01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: Because no no no no no no no, because that's relevant.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 2: We talk about pop culture touchdowns when they are like, okay,

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01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 2: black people are rock and people are talking about this everywhere,

1373
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 2: no matter what your background is today which Diddy and Jasmine?

1374
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: What was it pop? Crockett?

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01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 3: Crockett, Yeah, Crackett.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Those are two water cooler conversations, right, But.

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 3: How is your audience though when you talk, like do

1379
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 3: you notice it dip in your numbers when you're talking politics,

1380
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 3: or like do people come here like we want to

1381
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: hear Your business is input and advice.

1382
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: The algorithm, Tiffany doesn't real look at the numbers like

1383
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:10,480
Speaker 2: I do. I'm the numbers girl. Okay, but the consistency,

1384
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: you know, and what has caused so there has been

1385
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 2: anxiety among so many podcasts this year because of the

1386
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: Algo shift on Apple and how we most shows, especially

1387
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 2: older shows who have lots of a back catalog were

1388
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: hit and like it led to like a twenty to

1389
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: twenty five percent drop in downloads, which are crucial right

1390
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 2: now with our show. What I've noticed is, yes, there

1391
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 2: has been that drop, but the consistency has stayed the same.

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01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: So like the number of once we sort of like

1393
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: evened out, and this algorithm shift happened last fall. I

1394
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 2: was super busy in the winter, but like in the

1395
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 2: spring checking out. I'm like, hey, we've like leveled out.

1396
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: We've we've leveled out. We're seeing our normal numbers. That

1397
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: has remained consistent. So I think our our audience is

1398
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: very loyal and all of the email and dms that

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01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 2: we get to, if it's often, I've been listening for years,

1400
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 2: I've been listening for you know, since this, I went

1401
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 2: back and listened to all year old episodes and they

1402
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 2: you build that loyalty in that community. And I agree

1403
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: with what tiff said about, you know, with BA Fam,

1404
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: even just calling them BA Fam, it feels like in

1405
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: on it. You know, we could maybe do a little

1406
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: bit more on the community side, but both of us

1407
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 2: individually have strong communities which helps support. So Tiffany, you

1408
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: have your Dream Catchers, which is this huge community, and

1409
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 2: I started Mandy money Makers in twenty twenty one, which

1410
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: is my career coaching community. And I think together we

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01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 2: are Captain Planet now are.

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01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 3: No?

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01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 2: No, she's in Newark. Yeah, I'm in Newark and I'm

1414
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 2: in the burbs of a New York.

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01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so you're close so you see each other?

1416
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 3: Is my point?

1417
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 2: Not enough?

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01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 2: Now, I thought you'd mentioned like being in person. I

1420
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: love and maybe it's my journalis and background. I love

1421
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 2: when I see shows and it's all nicely produced and

1422
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: there's mics and stuff, and I'm like, Tiffany, let's go

1423
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: to Cumulus's our network's office in New York. Because she's like, girl,

1424
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 2: I'm not going to New York. Let's just keep if

1425
01:12:59,280 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 2: it ain't.

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01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 3: Broken me a person. But I think I do think

1427
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 3: there's something about being in person. And since you guys

1428
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 3: have such a community, like are you doing live engagement?

1429
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 3: Are you going on the tour?

1430
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: You would love to do like engage that we want

1431
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: to honestly schedule Okay, lately it's been really like crazy

1432
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: our schedule.

1433
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 2: You need you need an event producer.

1434
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 3: That's why.

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01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: No, but just even like, yeah, I mean last year

1436
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: was a little bit crazy just in general because it

1437
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: was a bad business here for so many people.

1438
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: I had a baby a year ago.

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01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,520
Speaker 3: It's a congratulation.

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01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 2: Thanks, it's been a hell of a year. But live show.

1441
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 2: If we don't do a live show by our tenth anniversary,

1442
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 2: which is coming up in a year, we.

1443
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 3: Will do attend anniversary something you finance. Somebody will pay

1444
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 3: for that.

1445
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: I know if you listen to the show and you know,

1446
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 2: like a good event producer, like, we just need someone

1447
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 2: to put it on because no one doesn't have that

1448
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: kind of tall.

1449
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 3: We're doing my other pot that I host with Angela

1450
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 3: and Andrew. We're doing We're kicking off our live tour

1451
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 3: this week and I AMMI actually I'm going to this conference.

1452
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 3: You ladies will appreciate it. It's for like women in

1453
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 3: the C suite or CEO positions who want to join

1454
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 3: corporate boards. I don't have to tell you all the

1455
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 3: Black women representation and corporate boards is visimal. So but

1456
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,799
Speaker 3: all the like executive search committees come. It's an amazing conference.

1457
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: And so it's a private conference, so we couldn't like

1458
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 3: tell everybody to come through and hear us, But all

1459
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 3: the women at that conference will be our live audience

1460
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 3: for our live Chickoff tour. And then we're also doing

1461
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 3: essence like we're going to be all over So I

1462
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 3: know somebody is my point and I'm happy to put

1463
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 3: you all in touch with the person and a live tour. Well,

1464
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 3: this is what Brown Brown and Ambition is about.

1465
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: You.

1466
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 3: Yes alone, Brown Girls helping Brown Ambitions.

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being on the show. This

1468
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 2: was such amazing.

1469
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, am I here working? Am I just on

1470
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 3: the zoom with these ladies catching up all life from

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01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 3: originally well no, I.

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01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 1: Was born in Newrth, New Jersey, but I was raised

1473
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: like all over New Jersey.

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 3: Okay, because your accent is like I hear a New

1475
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 3: York accent and so yeah, yeah, and you it's a

1476
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 3: very deliberate way of speaking. And Mandy, you neither one

1477
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 3: of us I think have a Georgia accent. I can

1478
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 3: when I talk to if you start talking with accent,

1479
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 3: I'll slip into it.

1480
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 2: Because of your background on broadcast, you have to neutralize it.

1481
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 2: And my mom's from Wisconsin. And plus I moved to

1482
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: New York at twenty when I when I hear myself

1483
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: on video from like pre New York, pre twenty twenty,

1484
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 2: pre twenty ten, I'm like, oh my god, I sound

1485
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: like such a bumpkin.

1486
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I got in New York. Oh my gosh, No, yeah,

1487
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 3: I think you do.

1488
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: Jersey. I hear Jersey Jersey.

1489
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't know that there's between New

1490
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 3: York and Jersey.

1491
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: Say like very Jersey. I used to sound very very

1492
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,560
Speaker 1: very suburban Jersey. Yeah, my name is Tiffany, and but

1493
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: then she just choose her name.

1494
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: We'll just leave it there to live it.

1495
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: In New for the last, like you know, ten years,

1496
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 1: Like this is this is the effect of that.

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Speaker 2: You think a little bit too. I feel like Drell

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Speaker 2: gave a little bit of edge.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, I think what y'all are doing is amazing

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Speaker 3: and fabulous and I'm so honored that y'all would share

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01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 3: your platform with me, and I'm happy to share whatever

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01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 3: contacts I have to help you guys, and I hope

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01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 3: to connect with you in person one day and just

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01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 3: congratulations on all your success. And as we grow, I

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01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 3: will definitely reach back out for input and as I

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01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: grow my own personal businesses, expect for me to stalk

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Speaker 3: you all a little bit.

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Speaker 2: DM email. Yeah, I want to.

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Speaker 3: I want to at some point join the corporate board too,

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01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 3: so I I definitely will be reaching out.

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Speaker 2: So incredible.

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Speaker 1: Are listening, Tiffany.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you can follow me on Instagram at Tiffany d

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Speaker 3: Cross on all the platforms that's my name at Tiffany

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Speaker 3: d Cross, and you can follow Across Generations. We are

1516
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 3: Across Gen podcast on YouTube, please please please subscribe, and

1517
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 3: you can follow us on Instagram at across gen podcast

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01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 3: or Across Generations one of them you'll find them. But

1519
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 3: if you follow me you can go see who I

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01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 3: follow and get the right handle. But yeah, please share

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01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 3: our content. Tell a friend, Tell people.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I just started watching your podcast.

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Speaker 3: Say it's so weird because I hear my voice in

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Speaker 3: my head you guys, Yes, please, and I would love

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01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 3: any thoughts ideas feedback. You guys have as two people

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01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 3: successful in the space. But yes, please tell a friend,

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01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 3: share a friend. We've actually launched what I would say

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Speaker 3: some success.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you already have ten k followers on YouTube.

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01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: I think the bar is raised even for us. But

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Speaker 2: I'm I would love to connect and just talk about

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Speaker 2: your experience on the with with Packer's production team being

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Speaker 2: behind it, you know, and like how that is how

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Speaker 2: all that.

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Speaker 3: Is coming and it's a big help. I mean, they

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01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 3: keep telling me like, what are you We're successful, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the top one percent, and you're crazy. I'm just

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01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 3: I'm comparing it to television and I have to stop

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01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 3: doing that. Yeah yeah, I'm like, what we don't even

1540
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 3: have a million viewers yet, you know, and they're like, girl,

1541
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 3: you better adjust.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but you'll have so much more of the

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01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 2: podcast audience though, to me, like we are like dedicated,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't know. I never

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Speaker 2: had my own show and MSNBC, but I just feel

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01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 2: like the audience we just like, I don't know, we're

1547
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 2: very loyal, very dedicated, and we love love, love and

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Speaker 2: coming back. And I think your show sounds incredible. I've

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Speaker 2: already listened to a couple of episodes coming on and

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01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 2: I can't wait to listen to more. Across everybody, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You, d.

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Speaker 3: Is in Dying Peace.

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Speaker 1: Cross cross d you.

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Speaker 2: Will not find me and then we enjoyed having you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you lady.

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Speaker 2: Signs of Name

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Speaker 1: MHM