WEBVTT - The Clancy Case JUST CHANGED! 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.779 Oh boy, the latest doings in the Clancy case. The 0:00:04.820 --> 0:00:07.420 new muscle that they've added to their legal team. And 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.300 Patrick Clancy, I know you've heard, is doing an interview 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:14.310 with 60 Minutes on Sunday. I talk to them. What 0:00:14.330 --> 0:00:24.530 do you say? Help me. All the time. Another compliment. 0:00:24.610 --> 0:00:26.430 There she is. 0:00:36.950 --> 0:00:39.940 To hot mics you guys hello hello hello please hit 0:00:39.979 --> 0:00:43.680 subscribe on youtube it is uh well we have a 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.019 packed day today like you wouldn't believe matt murphy is 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.309 going to join us the uh legendary prosecutor from orange 0:00:50.350 --> 0:00:53.290 county we're going to talk about the caleb flynn trial 0:00:53.350 --> 0:00:58.150 he is the ex-american idol contestant kid who was a 0:00:58.190 --> 0:01:02.120 sweet youth pastor and and somehow uh he Today, he 0:01:02.190 --> 0:01:08.050 stands trial on 11 counts of murder and witness intimidation 0:01:08.110 --> 0:01:10.810 and on and on. It is a nightmare of a story, 0:01:10.830 --> 0:01:14.910 but it finally gets underway. Amy Griffin is making a 0:01:14.990 --> 0:01:20.250 huge move. She's finally speaking out publicly in the media. 0:01:20.709 --> 0:01:22.930 I'm not sure why, because from what I can tell, 0:01:23.069 --> 0:01:27.209 content is being suppressed. That has to do with her. 0:01:28.550 --> 0:01:31.610 Just a hunch, but I'm seeing it and feeling it. 0:01:31.850 --> 0:01:37.300 It is literally palpable. Okay? We'll get to that. There 0:01:37.420 --> 0:01:40.000 are some doings. A big article is coming out that 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.160 she's participating in. She's banking on this going very well. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.140 We're going to break a lot of new stuff today. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:53.100 And I will defend a young, dumb boy. Okay? Okay? 0:01:54.310 --> 0:01:56.550 But let's begin with the latest in the Clancy case 0:01:57.490 --> 0:02:01.390 on this Thursday, which is ladies night. And what gets 0:02:01.450 --> 0:02:05.750 the old the old engine running more than this handsome fella? 0:02:05.790 --> 0:02:09.790 Do I speak for you, ladies? When you see Martin Weinberg, 0:02:09.810 --> 0:02:15.920 do you say that's a hot man? Does he does 0:02:15.940 --> 0:02:20.700 he get the engine running? Martin Weinberg has been added 0:02:20.780 --> 0:02:25.429 to the Clancy defense team. He handled Karen Reed's double 0:02:25.490 --> 0:02:29.650 Jeopardy fight. That didn't go well, by the way. No 0:02:30.650 --> 0:02:35.329 offense to Martin. It was out of his hands. Corrupt 0:02:35.630 --> 0:02:40.470 Norfolk County and its DA overwhelmed him, but he was 0:02:40.510 --> 0:02:43.510 brought in. In the end, the second trial worked out 0:02:43.550 --> 0:02:47.370 in Karen's favor. She was acquitted. But in comes Martin 0:02:47.410 --> 0:02:50.810 to help Lindsay Clancy. The filing indicates that he will 0:02:50.870 --> 0:02:55.940 represent her in connection with Kevin Reddington's dismissal motion. He's 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.720 going to try and basically prevent the second trial. Judge 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:04.559 Sullivan in the case has, he's ordered that the identities 0:03:04.700 --> 0:03:10.750 of the 12 jurors and the six alternates remain absolutely 0:03:10.830 --> 0:03:17.330 private indefinitely. Too late. Your honor, the damage has been done. 0:03:18.250 --> 0:03:23.480 Is he not paying attention? Jesus. So Sullivan wrote in 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.780 the order that he found a real and present risk 0:03:26.980 --> 0:03:30.700 of personal harm to the jurors and to the integrity 0:03:30.740 --> 0:03:33.820 of their service. He wrote in quotes, a risk of 0:03:33.910 --> 0:03:39.010 immediate and irreparable injury. If the juror list were made public, 0:03:39.070 --> 0:03:41.010 some of this, you know, some of these people are 0:03:41.070 --> 0:03:44.320 in real jeopardy. Um, Of course, by the way, this 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:49.700 doesn't prevent jurors from identifying themselves, and many of them have. 0:03:49.900 --> 0:03:51.620 If they want to speak in the media, they can. 0:03:52.630 --> 0:03:58.890 By the way, the outing of the holdout juror, it's 0:03:58.950 --> 0:04:03.230 not Turtle Boy, as some are suggesting, right? And they're 0:04:03.250 --> 0:04:07.620 also suggesting that, you know, Kevin Reddington is working with 0:04:07.660 --> 0:04:12.020 Turtle Boy. By the way, Alan Jackson's communicated with Turtle Boy. 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.470 Turtle Boy is CEO. He's like country music. Love him 0:04:15.610 --> 0:04:19.310 or hate him, he's unavoidable when it comes to anything 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:24.240 going through a Massachusetts courtroom. Okay? Turtle Boy says he 0:04:24.260 --> 0:04:29.780 did not out the holdout juror. He said it vocally first, 0:04:29.980 --> 0:04:32.620 I believe. He's the first one to say the words 0:04:33.370 --> 0:04:37.890 on the microphone. But did a little research here. Saturday, 0:04:37.970 --> 0:04:45.390 September 12th at 3.46 a.m. The ex-account. belonging to Talkin' Strohs, 0:04:46.210 --> 0:04:51.849 posted a mass courts docket screenshot naming the holdout juror. 0:04:52.850 --> 0:04:57.120 His initials are MD, with the statement, this is the 0:04:57.150 --> 0:05:02.560 holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy case. Now, Talkin' Strohs 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:07.760 apparently worked backwards from the details that NBC10 in Boston 0:05:08.460 --> 0:05:12.080 had reported without naming the juror. Listen, NBC10 did everything 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.310 they could They laid every groundwork. They left every detail. 0:05:15.630 --> 0:05:20.219 I mean, they basically took a knee on the two-yard line. 0:05:21.180 --> 0:05:23.440 And they knew Turtle Boy and whoever else would finish 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.820 the job. They couldn't say the guy's name. But Talking 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.390 Strokes puts it up on the screen. Turtle Boy seconds 0:05:31.430 --> 0:05:34.350 later says it. And now everybody knows it. I'm still 0:05:34.390 --> 0:05:37.710 not saying it. I don't know. It just doesn't feel right. 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.640 But apparently Chris Cuomo talked to a guy who did 0:05:42.690 --> 0:05:45.429 an interview. Harry, by the way, do a little search. 0:05:45.550 --> 0:05:48.370 Talking to my producer, Harry. Do a little search to 0:05:48.430 --> 0:05:53.349 see if the holdout juror, if this guy, I think 0:05:53.370 --> 0:05:57.510 his name is Marcel, if he posted his interview with 0:05:57.529 --> 0:05:59.510 the holdout juror because he says he spoke to him. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.940 Maybe it was just all, you know, off camera. But 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.800 we'll double check on that. If it's there, we'll bring 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:07.099 it to you. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.420 Okay. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:14.169 Okay. So turtle boy. Yeah, not technically wasn't the technical doxer. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:19.140 He was definitely the amplifier. Patrick Clancy is on 60 0:06:19.140 --> 0:06:23.920 minutes this Sunday. Uh, it is going to be a 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:29.540 massively watched, uh, episode. I'm sure he's being interviewed by Ross. 0:06:30.580 --> 0:06:34.410 Is it do doubt doubt that I, uh, I, I 0:06:34.460 --> 0:06:38.690 texted Ross to see if he'd come on. He didn't respond, but, um, Yeah, 0:06:38.830 --> 0:06:42.290 Patrick's sitting down. They give a small teaser. I talk 0:06:42.310 --> 0:06:49.380 to them. What do you say? Help me. All the time. 0:06:52.220 --> 0:06:56.940 He's talking about his kids. He talks to Cora, Dawson, 0:06:57.220 --> 0:07:01.200 and Callan all the time. I think this is going 0:07:01.220 --> 0:07:05.730 to be a powerful episode. He will address also the 0:07:05.770 --> 0:07:10.590 TikTok social media conspiracy theories that are accusing him. This 0:07:10.650 --> 0:07:17.360 turnaround for him has been unbelievably well executed and deserved. 0:07:17.460 --> 0:07:22.100 I think the man, maybe not father of the year, 0:07:23.180 --> 0:07:28.860 but murderer he is not. And Kevin Reddington did a 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:34.040 great job leading that charge. So also, Lindsay Clancy, maybe 0:07:34.070 --> 0:07:36.950 you've heard, is reported to just feel awful about what 0:07:37.010 --> 0:07:40.660 Patrick has endured as a result of those accusations. And 0:07:40.860 --> 0:07:43.020 it speaks well of her, right? I mean, how could 0:07:43.060 --> 0:07:47.120 you have room to feel more awful? But she has 0:07:47.180 --> 0:07:51.780 empathy for him. Massachusetts, we always say, look, whatever happens here, 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:53.900 if she goes to a state mental hospital or if 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:58.220 she goes to jail or prison, I hope something happens 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:03.000 to benefit women in crisis. and their mental health. I 0:08:03.070 --> 0:08:08.260 hope the conversation, as we say, gets had. Well, Massachusetts 0:08:08.300 --> 0:08:14.380 Governor Maura Healey is apparently proposing some new postpartum mental 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:19.040 health measures and putting money behind, including millions of dollars 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.840 for additional support as a result of this conversation. So 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:29.180 something is underway. Now, there's always a villain. Congresswoman Nancy Mace, 0:08:29.220 --> 0:08:31.760 who I don't think is running for reelection and has 0:08:31.930 --> 0:08:35.710 officially given her final F, does not care at all, 0:08:36.610 --> 0:08:40.770 called for Lindsay to be publicly executed. This from a 0:08:40.850 --> 0:08:46.600 sitting congresswoman. She doubled down after Kevin Reddington responded and 0:08:46.650 --> 0:08:49.059 called it abhorrent that she would do such a thing. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.059 She did one of those interviews with TMZ. TMZ DC 0:08:53.580 --> 0:08:56.170 is a new part of our culture. It's a great 0:08:56.230 --> 0:08:59.350 move on their part because these Congress people are dying 0:08:59.370 --> 0:09:02.810 to be celebrities. They're dying to be jumped on. Nicole 0:09:02.850 --> 0:09:05.270 Kidman doesn't want to talk to TMZ when she's underneath 0:09:05.290 --> 0:09:11.720 the garage and she's coming out of the dermatologist's office. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.300 Any congressman is dying to talk to them. It's like 0:09:15.340 --> 0:09:20.750 those fashion things on social media. You know, the girl's 0:09:20.780 --> 0:09:22.690 walking down the street and someone says, oh, excuse me. 0:09:23.170 --> 0:09:25.830 And she goes, oh, I'm sorry. You're talking to me? Yeah, yeah, oh, 0:09:25.850 --> 0:09:27.569 you look so beautiful. What are you wearing? Oh, this 0:09:27.650 --> 0:09:29.750 is Chloe, and this is sort of Balenciaga, and this 0:09:29.809 --> 0:09:32.309 is sort of... And then they, you know, give the description, 0:09:32.370 --> 0:09:35.790 it's all meant to seem accidental. I mean, AOC the 0:09:35.809 --> 0:09:39.059 other day walks right up to TMZ, and she just 0:09:39.100 --> 0:09:43.020 can't stand it. Anyway, Nancy Mace doubles down on this 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.660 whole thing. She says, to be publicly executed? I mean, 0:09:45.860 --> 0:09:51.330 come on. Alan Jackson has called this case wildly overcharged. 0:09:52.330 --> 0:09:55.920 He's a legend in these parts in Massachusetts. The prosecution 0:09:55.980 --> 0:09:59.970 still has not publicly announced whether it intends to retry litigation. 0:10:00.350 --> 0:10:03.970 There is a massive hearing on September 29th. It is 0:10:04.030 --> 0:10:10.050 a very big day. Also, today is a big day. 0:10:10.650 --> 0:10:14.120 If you're a true crime fan and you like pop culture, 0:10:14.540 --> 0:10:19.420 Caleb Flynn Contestant on season 12 of American Idol. He 0:10:19.460 --> 0:10:22.810 was a youth music pastor in his church. Spoke on 0:10:22.890 --> 0:10:25.070 TV in the short amount of time they gave him 0:10:25.130 --> 0:10:29.329 about loving God first. Loving the Lord is wrong. I 0:10:29.350 --> 0:10:33.010 don't want to be right either. And also his beautiful wife, 0:10:33.370 --> 0:10:36.390 who he said was like a brunette Carrie Underwood. He 0:10:36.429 --> 0:10:41.500 was glowing about her. Look, he seemed to be a humble, kind, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:47.470 morally centered young guy. And now he's facing 11 charges 0:10:47.610 --> 0:10:52.709 of murder, felonious assault, staging a scene, tampering with evidence, 0:10:52.870 --> 0:10:57.770 and witness intimidation. The witness intimidation would be of his 0:10:58.470 --> 0:11:02.360 two daughters, 12 and 9, I believe. They were in 0:11:02.420 --> 0:11:06.020 his custody for the three days after his wife was unalived, 0:11:06.460 --> 0:11:09.439 before they arrested him. So imagine what he was telling 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.900 them in those three days, those girls. And they're going 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.369 to testify. against their father. This one is dramatic. It 0:11:15.429 --> 0:11:17.449 is going to be public. It's going to be streamed. 0:11:19.990 --> 0:11:26.410 His wife, Ashley, by all accounts, just the woman you 0:11:26.470 --> 0:11:29.630 want as your neighbor, the woman you want teaching your 0:11:29.670 --> 0:11:32.670 kids as she was, and a volleyball coach, and a 0:11:32.730 --> 0:11:38.990 youth church leader. Everything you want in a human in 0:11:39.010 --> 0:11:44.270 your community was this woman. And he Jesus, he seemed 0:11:44.340 --> 0:11:48.300 to be. So, I mean, just really, really emotional. Uh, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.600 buckle up. We have Matt Murphy is standing by, but 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.900 buckle up. We're going to take this ride on this 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:57.609 trial together. All right. Joining us right now is Matt Murphy. 0:11:57.870 --> 0:12:01.790 As the Caleb Flynn trial gets going, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, 0:12:01.850 --> 0:12:05.569 this is a big one. People are very fascinated in 0:12:05.610 --> 0:12:11.820 this trial. Jury selection is underway. Um, kind of exciting here. Um, 0:12:12.550 --> 0:12:14.530 Maybe the next big thing, as they say in the 0:12:14.570 --> 0:12:18.530 true crime world. I'm going to play this 911 call 0:12:18.570 --> 0:12:21.810 for you because it's going to feature heavily in the trial, 0:12:21.850 --> 0:12:23.429 and then I want to get your take on this. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.179 You've heard good ones, and you've heard bad ones. Let's 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.320 see how you feel about this. 0:12:29.980 --> 0:12:30.480 Oh, my God. 0:12:30.940 --> 0:12:33.640 Miami County, 911. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.780 Somebody broke into my home. 0:12:36.140 --> 0:12:37.950 Somebody broke into my home and killed my wife. Are 0:12:37.970 --> 0:12:38.770 they still in there? 0:12:39.650 --> 0:12:40.069 I don't know. 0:12:40.090 --> 0:12:41.870 I don't know. Okay, what's the address? 0:12:41.870 --> 0:12:45.290 932 Cunningham Court, Pittsburgh, Ohio. 0:12:45.929 --> 0:12:46.790 Please, please hurry. 0:12:46.850 --> 0:12:48.430 Please, please hurry. 0:12:48.550 --> 0:12:52.970 What are you seeing? My wife, she's got two shots 0:12:53.030 --> 0:12:55.330 to her head. There's blood everywhere. Oh, my God. 0:12:55.380 --> 0:12:55.840 Oh, my God. 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.600 Oh, my God. Sir, please, please. Ma'am, I need you 0:12:59.620 --> 0:13:02.000 to take a deep breath, okay? Do you still see 0:13:02.020 --> 0:13:03.320 anybody in the house? 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:05.520 No, the door to the garage. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.620 Is wide open. Please, hurry, please. 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.040 Oh, my God. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:10.380 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:12.460 My daughters are here. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:14.300 My daughters are here. 0:13:14.580 --> 0:13:17.000 Where is she at? 0:13:17.020 --> 0:13:19.699 She's in the bed. Your edit is sexy. 0:13:20.460 --> 0:13:22.340 I'm looking at her. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:22.920 Yes, please. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.230 Where are you guys at in the house? I'm in 0:13:26.260 --> 0:13:27.589 the bedroom with her right now. 0:13:27.610 --> 0:13:29.270 My daughters are in their room. 0:13:29.290 --> 0:13:32.970 So you are not with the children? 0:13:32.990 --> 0:13:35.809 I was with the children when it happened. 0:13:36.750 --> 0:13:39.250 Okay, but you're not with them now? No, they're in 0:13:39.290 --> 0:13:39.670 their room. 0:13:40.030 --> 0:13:40.910 They're not even awake. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.880 First of all, he's presumed innocent, right? I'm a practicing lawyer, 0:13:45.900 --> 0:13:46.460 so I got to say that. 0:13:46.540 --> 0:13:47.140 Absolutely. 0:13:47.380 --> 0:13:48.080 Presumed innocent. 0:13:48.540 --> 0:13:52.670 However, there's a reason why that guy's never stood on 0:13:52.710 --> 0:13:58.829 an Oscar stage before, right? That sounds very performative, to 0:13:58.950 --> 0:13:59.740 use your word. 0:14:00.900 --> 0:14:01.500 Yeah. 0:14:01.660 --> 0:14:01.819 Look. 0:14:03.250 --> 0:14:05.090 In a vertical unit, I work in a vertical. 0:14:04.850 --> 0:14:07.660 Unit, which means we are assigned certain cities and we 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.080 would go to all of our own homicide scenes. So 0:14:10.340 --> 0:14:12.679 I had Newport Beach, Costa Mesa, Laguna, and Irvine. 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.939 And the vast majority of your call-outs, where you. 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.179 Roll out in the middle of the night with your 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.780 investigator and you go to the crime scene, were on 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:24.070 domestic violence murders. And the bodies are found in two places. 0:14:24.170 --> 0:14:26.970 They're found either in the kitchen, for whatever reason, or 0:14:27.010 --> 0:14:30.910 the bedroom. And don't you just hate it when some 0:14:30.950 --> 0:14:33.390 random guy breaks into your house and. 0:14:33.710 --> 0:14:35.650 Shoots your wife in the head, even though you're there? 0:14:37.290 --> 0:14:40.060 You know, and it doesn't apparently take anything. 0:14:40.220 --> 0:14:41.480 There's no sexual assault motive. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.700 I hate it when that happens. That's my initial impression. Now, again, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.739 I don't know every detail of this case. I'm I 0:14:48.780 --> 0:14:53.200 got no dog in this fight. But that 911 call, man, 0:14:53.300 --> 0:14:55.700 it sounds like so many of the others that I've 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:56.100 heard over. 0:14:56.910 --> 0:15:00.170 You're a prosecutor. I mean, you hear that and you're like, okay. 0:15:01.290 --> 0:15:01.590 Yes. 0:15:02.310 --> 0:15:03.530 Yes. 0:15:04.050 --> 0:15:05.730 I mean, it's like, what do you do when you 0:15:06.070 --> 0:15:08.320 freak out? And the truth is you're in a giant 0:15:08.380 --> 0:15:10.120 fight with your spouse. And by the way, I've had 0:15:10.180 --> 0:15:12.980 women who've done this too, who shot their husbands or 0:15:13.020 --> 0:15:16.240 boyfriends in the bed. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.460 What do you do when you've. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:23.800 Got a body there that you've just created, basically? 0:15:23.830 --> 0:15:24.830 You just killed your spouse. 0:15:25.330 --> 0:15:28.130 And what they do is they go to the 911 0:15:28.130 --> 0:15:31.020 call and they try to pretend like something terrible has happened. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.260 And that's why immediately it makes no sense. 0:15:34.580 --> 0:15:37.380 So, you know, and again, I don't know. I don't 0:15:37.420 --> 0:15:39.710 know this case, but I want to keep an open mind. 0:15:40.110 --> 0:15:42.390 But that's my impression hearing that 911 call. 0:15:42.930 --> 0:15:45.870 Let's hear it. This is the body... The body cam footage, 0:15:45.910 --> 0:15:51.110 the cops arrive and also his mother shows up and 0:15:51.830 --> 0:15:54.390 maybe things have gotten a little more real for him 0:15:54.930 --> 0:15:58.280 at this point. So, you know, I'll just say, I'll 0:15:58.300 --> 0:16:02.640 wait for your, I guess you're on the Academy board now, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.300 your rating of this performance, but here it is. 0:16:07.020 --> 0:16:16.200 Come on, honey. Come on. I don't know what to do. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.200 I don't know. 0:16:19.020 --> 0:16:20.660 What to do. 0:16:21.660 --> 0:16:21.900 Either. 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.160 I don't know what to do either. 0:16:53.780 --> 0:16:57.860 Yeah. Okay. What do you make? 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.680 So let's think about this for a second. So if 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.250 some random guy just ran into. 0:17:04.109 --> 0:17:07.370 His house and his daughters are there, okay, is his 0:17:07.570 --> 0:17:11.980 first reaction, and got out of the house apparently, Why 0:17:12.060 --> 0:17:14.980 is he not assuming that this guy isn't in the 0:17:15.020 --> 0:17:16.280 bushes across the street? 0:17:16.420 --> 0:17:19.680 Why isn't he assuming that this guy, or at least suspecting, 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.369 that he still poses a risk to him, his mom, 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.609 his kids? He brings his mom to the house with 0:17:25.630 --> 0:17:28.190 the killer on the loose? Does that make sense? If 0:17:28.230 --> 0:17:31.190 you really think about it, what happens a lot of times, Billy, 0:17:31.210 --> 0:17:34.490 and again, presumed innocent, but what a lot of these 0:17:34.510 --> 0:17:37.530 guys do is they go into acting mode and they 0:17:37.670 --> 0:17:41.680 play the wrong role. They play the totally innocent guy like, 0:17:41.780 --> 0:17:44.960 oh my God, how does, if he is innocent, some 0:17:45.020 --> 0:17:47.240 stranger has just gone in and killed his wife. And 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.980 he's right there in front of his house, apparently tracing 0:17:51.020 --> 0:17:54.179 the footsteps of where the killer would be. And his 0:17:54.220 --> 0:17:56.510 little girls are there. Why doesn't he say, Mom, stay 0:17:56.530 --> 0:17:58.850 away from the house. There's a killer on the loose. 0:17:59.609 --> 0:18:02.770 So the role he is playing, the prosecution can argue, 0:18:02.810 --> 0:18:08.270 and immediately my admittedly somewhat biased viewpoint, having prosecuted so 0:18:08.290 --> 0:18:11.950 many of these cases, my head goes directly to why 0:18:12.050 --> 0:18:14.129 isn't he concerned about killer on the loose when he's 0:18:14.170 --> 0:18:15.330 got daughters there? 0:18:15.810 --> 0:18:16.830 Now his mother's there. 0:18:16.850 --> 0:18:19.310 So this guy theoretically has just set up the rest 0:18:19.350 --> 0:18:22.010 of his family for this random shooter to come in 0:18:22.050 --> 0:18:22.709 and kill everybody. 0:18:23.190 --> 0:18:24.510 That makes no sense. 0:18:25.810 --> 0:18:30.540 Oh, we're talking to Matt Murphy, a prosecutor extraordinaire, tons 0:18:30.580 --> 0:18:35.650 of experience in the Orange County office. And he hosts 0:18:35.780 --> 0:18:39.320 co-hosts in the well with Mark Garagos for the MK true, 0:18:39.380 --> 0:18:45.100 not true crime network. And just, just, just, Top of 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.260 the line guy, as we say, top of the, a 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.590 real prosecutor, a real mind in this whole thing. So 0:18:50.619 --> 0:18:53.230 this is going to get, this is going to get going. 0:18:53.250 --> 0:18:55.370 One of the biggest thing that jumps out to me 0:18:55.490 --> 0:18:58.969 and anyone following this is these two misdemeanor counts of 0:18:59.150 --> 0:19:02.290 witness intimidation. He's got daughters nine and 12. You hear 0:19:02.310 --> 0:19:04.570 them on the call. Like, where are they? I don't know. 0:19:04.650 --> 0:19:06.090 I mean, I think they're in the house. I mean, like, 0:19:06.150 --> 0:19:09.609 why wouldn't your daughters be, Rushed out of the home. 0:19:10.109 --> 0:19:13.350 You know, why wouldn't that be your first concern? And then, 0:19:13.530 --> 0:19:15.470 holy shit, there's a killer on the loose. Once I've 0:19:15.510 --> 0:19:18.950 secured them, get this guy, find this guy. You know, 0:19:19.570 --> 0:19:22.830 he is just all about him in this moment. Him, 0:19:22.869 --> 0:19:25.560 the victim, his loss. And I don't know what's happening. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:30.780 And oh, it doesn't play well. But the daughters witnessed intimidation. 0:19:30.820 --> 0:19:34.160 He had them for three days before the cops came 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.109 in and arrested him. You know, so for three days, 0:19:37.130 --> 0:19:42.560 I mean, the prosecution is going to say he was 0:19:43.260 --> 0:19:46.610 telling them what to do, what to say. That's going 0:19:46.619 --> 0:19:49.100 to be dramatic. They're not going to have their fate 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.800 they're going to testify apparently against their father but they 0:19:53.859 --> 0:19:56.459 won't see their face they won't how do you handle 0:19:56.540 --> 0:19:58.720 something like the daughters in all of this. 0:19:59.710 --> 0:20:03.030 Yeah so this is a um that that's a tough 0:20:03.109 --> 0:20:06.510 one okay when you have little kids or parents um 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.590 and this is not a criticism, and I don't, I 0:20:10.670 --> 0:20:13.510 wasn't in the meeting when the decision was made on 0:20:13.530 --> 0:20:16.310 this case. A lot of people will see that and think, 0:20:16.450 --> 0:20:18.869 what difference does it make? If he's looking at murder, 0:20:18.890 --> 0:20:21.570 why would you charge misdemeanor for witness intimidation? And the 0:20:21.710 --> 0:20:24.110 answer is, they want the jury to hear it. They 0:20:24.130 --> 0:20:25.950 want the jury to hear the evidence that they have 0:20:25.990 --> 0:20:29.190 indicating that he had pressured or in some way attempted 0:20:29.210 --> 0:20:29.670 to have his. 0:20:29.609 --> 0:20:33.550 Daughters testify falsely or provide false information. 0:20:33.109 --> 0:20:33.570 To the police. 0:20:34.430 --> 0:20:36.820 I always think, I always have a. 0:20:36.820 --> 0:20:40.100 Tough time, again, not a criticism of the prosecution here 0:20:40.140 --> 0:20:44.369 at all, but, Billy, I always hesitated to call kids 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:48.129 against their parents because that can be brutal, you know, 0:20:48.150 --> 0:20:49.590 and it can be really hard, and they're going to 0:20:49.670 --> 0:20:50.670 live with the rest of their lives. 0:20:50.690 --> 0:20:53.190 Maybe these two want to. Maybe they want to. 0:20:53.590 --> 0:20:56.790 And if they want to, that's a different calculation. And, again, 0:20:58.330 --> 0:21:01.870 this one is not my call to make. But I 0:21:02.190 --> 0:21:04.990 but as far as the advanced sort of cross control 0:21:05.030 --> 0:21:08.260 game of charging those misdemeanors to ensure that the evidence 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.359 gets in, that's a good move, typically, because you want 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.439 the jury to hear that not to solely the guy 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:16.399 or make him look like a bad guy, but to 0:21:16.460 --> 0:21:19.140 show what's known as consciousness of guilt. If he's trying 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:23.050 to get his daughters to provide false information that cuts 0:21:23.190 --> 0:21:25.970 against this idea of an intruder and really. 0:21:25.830 --> 0:21:27.710 Points the finger back at him. So it's not. 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.520 It's not to dirty them up. It's a that's a 0:21:30.580 --> 0:21:33.780 tactical move to ensure that the jury has the full 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.340 palette of evidence from which to make the decision. 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.240 Matt Murphy, Matt, you you you've obviously got, you know, 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.619 as a prosecutor, your suspicion, but then you got to 0:21:43.660 --> 0:21:48.200 back it up with evidence. And the digital footprint, I imagine, 0:21:48.270 --> 0:21:52.189 will be a. The centerpiece of this, it always seems 0:21:52.270 --> 0:21:55.970 to tell the story, right? The social media, the financial transactions. 0:21:56.330 --> 0:21:59.870 He was the beneficiary of her life insurance policy. There 0:21:59.910 --> 0:22:04.629 you go. There's a lane to travel down, his texts, 0:22:04.670 --> 0:22:09.260 his emails. There is a rumor, uncorroborated at this point, 0:22:09.450 --> 0:22:13.679 that he was having an affair with a 23-year-old pregnant woman, 0:22:13.900 --> 0:22:16.480 innocent until proven guilty. Not saying that's the case, but 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:20.389 also an alleged text at 1243 in the morning. It's 0:22:20.550 --> 0:22:26.409 almost done, you know, a couple hours before. This footprint is, 0:22:27.820 --> 0:22:30.680 to me, from what I'm feeling, I don't think this 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:36.939 thing lasts that long. But where do you look? Because 0:22:37.460 --> 0:22:42.359 the motives for something like this are what? New life, right? 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:45.440 Get rid of the old life, right? 0:22:46.330 --> 0:22:47.909 Well, how many times have you seen this? 0:22:47.950 --> 0:22:52.630 This goes back 300,000 years in human history, right? Sometimes 0:22:52.690 --> 0:22:54.800 it's the woman killing the man. Sometimes it's the man 0:22:54.820 --> 0:22:58.060 killing the woman. These are some of the oldest motives 0:22:58.100 --> 0:22:58.680 that exist. 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.879 Potentially financial gain, jealousy. 0:23:02.980 --> 0:23:07.100 These are the good old-fashioned, it's almost like the seven 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:12.629 immortal sins of homicide motive. And it seems to check 0:23:12.690 --> 0:23:14.310 a whole bunch of those boxes, but one of the 0:23:15.090 --> 0:23:18.050 One of the fascinating things about the modern era is 0:23:18.210 --> 0:23:21.710 now we have this, there was an old adage, there's 0:23:21.730 --> 0:23:24.970 no machine where we can read somebody's mind. It's not 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.400 really true anymore because there is a machine and it's 0:23:27.420 --> 0:23:32.560 called Google. And now these guys, these forensic, every detective knows, 0:23:32.580 --> 0:23:35.560 especially in a domestic, They're going to get into the 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.000 cell phones and they're going to get into the computers. 0:23:38.020 --> 0:23:40.480 They're going to look at Google searches and all the rest. 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:45.060 And most people still aren't sophisticated enough to cover their tracks. 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:48.960 And I had one out of Newport where it was 0:23:49.020 --> 0:23:53.180 a case where it was a lot of money. Newport Coast, 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.780 these guys were neighbors of Kobe Bryant, not next-door neighbors, 0:23:56.820 --> 0:24:00.310 but in the same neighborhood. And this guy murdered his 0:24:00.350 --> 0:24:04.619 wife in the bedroom, actually the master bathroom in the bedroom. 0:24:05.660 --> 0:24:07.960 And then came up with this crazy story and he 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.320 dumped her body in Mexico or down in San Diego 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.090 and said it was these Mexican guys that did it. 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.800