1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Our good buddy Seth Greenberg for the Mothership. How did 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: we get there with this big twelve floor? And why 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: are we just realizing that the players aren't comfortable on it? 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 3: Brett Yormac is obviously thinking outside the box, thinking commissioner. 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 4: I mean, think about it. 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 3: Brett Ormac, so far outside the box. The PAC twelve 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 3: no longer exists. That's how he thinks big picture. He 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: thinks marketing, he thinks branding, he thinks, you know, creating 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: an image for his organization. The floor had been used before, 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: but the players are not used to that floor. Obviously, 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 3: this surface was slippery to play the biggest games in 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: those kids' careers. In terms of trying to play the 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 3: way into the NCAA tournament and win a championship, probably 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: wasn't the greatest decision, But I also give him a 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: lot of product to have the agility to say, you 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: know what, this isn't working, this isn't the welfare of 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 3: our players, our. 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 4: Organization, our league. It's not a good look. 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: And to be able to pivot and show the agility 22 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 3: to move on and go back to the wood court 23 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 3: of court that players are used to playing on, which 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest thing. You play your whole 25 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: It's like changing the ball. You can't change the ball. 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 4: Every year, you know, you got to. 27 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: You get used to a ball that you're playing with 28 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 3: during the cross of the season. So I give them 29 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: a lot of credit for the ingenuity of trying it. 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 3: I also give them a lot of credit for the 31 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: agility to say, you know what, this isn't working for us. 32 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 4: We need to change. 33 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: And I know it's the future. We've seen a lot 34 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: of these universities where they bring out their own court, 35 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 2: but I think illuminating and what somebody with the NBA said, 36 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: it's going to resemble a pinball machine. Those are the words, 37 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: and that was back during COVID. We haven't seen that yet, 38 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: but I do think that's on the horizon. Let me 39 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: give you the full introduction. Seth Greenberg on ESPN all 40 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: weekend long, College Game Day, Big Twelve Championship, then College 41 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: Basketball Live Sunday at noon ahead of the SEC Championship. 42 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: Sports Center Bracketology Sunday night from Nashville after the brackets 43 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: are revealed. Miami, Ohio losing yesterday means what seth. 44 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: They're in a playing game, they're in the incident my tournament. 45 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: You know, it is really hard to do what they did. 46 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: Only three other schools ever done it, Kentucky which tes 47 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 3: State now then and if you go further back, you 48 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 3: know you're talking about the old Saint Joe's team that 49 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: lost in the first round of That team was ended 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: up a number one seed. 51 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 4: But it's hard to do what they were able to do. 52 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: Their resume says they're not one of the thirty seven 53 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: best teams, but their accomplishment says they are. And to 54 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: do what they were able to do in a conference, 55 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: as you know, Dan, at such a level playing field 56 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: the MAC I mean like same budgets, everyone's in a bus, 57 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 3: Every game's a grind. The Arenas have great ownership. I 58 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: think you've got to reward the accomplishment. I'm not saying 59 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 3: their resume says it, but I think that they deserve 60 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: an opportunity, and I think they're playing to play. 61 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: But they're going to give them a playing game that 62 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: will be a home game for them. It's going to 63 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: be in Dayton Date not very far yeah, not very 64 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: far drive from Oxburn, Ohio. What do you make of 65 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: Bruce Pearl's criticisms. 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 4: You know, he's kind of walked that back a little bit. 67 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: You know, Bruce, I love him to death, but we 68 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: also know he has a little bit of an agenda 69 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: and me his son is right on that bubble. He 70 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 3: wants to see his son get the Ana Tournament. There's 71 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: been a lot of focus on their struggles. Bruce Pearl 72 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: kind of and I love him to death and he's 73 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: a dear friend, but he kind of screwed his own 74 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: son because when he left and then the segularly left 75 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: with at a totally new roster, and they weren't going 76 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: to be last few years. 77 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 4: Offer teams. 78 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: You don't lose, Jani Broom, you don't lose the players 79 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: that they let lost. And then all of a sudden, 80 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: handed to your son, say h hey, go ahead and 81 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: go ahead and win twenty games, Go go to the 82 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: Sweet sixteen, go to the Elite eight. You know, he 83 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: had no chance to really win. Steven is going to 84 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: be a good coach, he really is. He's passionate, he 85 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: cares about it. They've got to recruit some guys, but 86 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: he was out a difficult hand. Bruce, on the other hand, 87 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: he's got to stay out of the way. And then 88 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: here I'm talking about a friend like yesterday, his whole 89 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: thing on the sidelines, you screaming at someone stay out 90 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: of the way. You're not the story. Auburn's the story. 91 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 3: Your son's the story. Support your son by helping him 92 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: recruit at the appropriate time, But you cannot be front 93 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: and center and become the story. The story's got to 94 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 3: be Auburn's team, and the guy that's coaching them now 95 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: just happens to be your son. 96 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 97 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: I was disappointed watching Bruce. I mean, you know this 98 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: goes back to parents ruined sports because they get so involved, 99 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: so vocal. You know, he should just be sitting there quietly, 100 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: maybe the way John Wooden used to when he retired 101 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: as UCLA's basketball coach. He just sat there and watched 102 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: the game. How many heavyweights do we have? Is college 103 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: basketball top heavy in this year's tournament? 104 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 5: Yeah? 105 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: I think they are about seventeens, seven or eight teams 106 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 4: that can win it all. 107 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: I mean pay for player at nil or whatever you 108 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: want to call it, revshare it's and the transfer port together. Look, 109 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: it's been combustible. It's really hurting the mid majors. It's 110 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: just the way the way it is. It's it's the 111 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: cause of doing the business. So like the bubble, people 112 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: say the bubble stinks, the bubble doesn't stink because there's 113 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: parody within the bubble. So the i'm majors, more good 114 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 3: players are spread out through the landscape and college basketball, 115 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: so they're more good teams. 116 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 4: And then there are a few great teams. 117 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: But what it's done is Tilford all the really good 118 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: players from the mid majors, not. 119 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 4: All of them, but most of them. 120 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: So we've got a logjam of these teams that are 121 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: beating each other up in the league and acc the SEC, 122 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: the Big twelve. 123 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 4: The Big Ten. Then you've got a couple that have 124 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 4: separated themselves. 125 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: Michigan separated themselves, Duke until the injury the other day 126 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: separated themselves, Varna has separated themselves. So you've got those 127 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 3: Arizonas separated themselves. Then you've got the next year that 128 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 3: are very good because they've read the right players and 129 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: filled them with voids. And then you've got a lot 130 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: of teams that are just you know, they're good enough 131 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 3: to beat anyone, but they're bad enough to lose anyone. 132 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 4: And that's what we've what we've come to. 133 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: It's kind of I don't know, is it a lot 134 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: like the NFL where they wanted parody, then they got 135 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: more parody, and all of a sudden they complained about parody. 136 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: I'm wondering about these budgets. Jim Beheim was saying, you know, Syracuse, 137 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: you know it's it's no surprise the top teams in 138 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: the ACC they spent the most money, and Syracuse and 139 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: some of these other schools did not. What is the 140 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: budget for a great or a good, good major college team? 141 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: We know what it is. In college football, they're approaching 142 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: forty million dollars? Are we at twenty million? For the 143 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: top end schools? In basketball? 144 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 4: Last year it was around around twelve. 145 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: Now Kentucky spent twenty two, but last year it was 146 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: around twelve. But if you think about three years ago, 147 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: it was four billion, right, three years later it's twelve. 148 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: It's you know, like it seems like it's dublin. Now 149 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: you say, well, how is that possible? I mean, the 150 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: total amount of repsure money is twenty point five million, right, 151 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the number. Allegedly people are 152 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: supposed to be working on. Look, there's no guard rails, 153 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: there's no rules. Everyone's going to find a way to 154 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: circumvent these things. They're gonna find collectives, They're gonna find 155 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: real nil deals within their communities that they can justify. 156 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: That's just the way it is. Eventually, the Power fives 157 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: are gonna break off. We're still going to be n 158 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: CNAA tournament, but it's gonna be even more of the 159 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: haves and have Now it's I think like the sixteen 160 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: bottom Division I schools will be the opening round. That's 161 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: my thing, and they'll play their way into the main bracket, 162 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: so you'll get the best of the one big leagues 163 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: in the field. 164 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 4: But if you're an athletic department and you're spending. 165 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: These millions and millions and millions of dollars, you know. 166 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 4: Here's the deal. 167 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: You want to return on the investment, and that's playing 168 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: in the n CNAA tournament, that's playing in the the 169 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: college football playoffs. You can't spend all that money and 170 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: not get a return. Then all of a sudden, you know, 171 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: there's dono fatigue. I mean, that's just the way it is. 172 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: There's doni fatigue. It is real, and like it's great 173 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: that there are a few programs that have these monster boosters, 174 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: but not everyone has them. So you know, eventually, I 175 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: think they're gonna be breakoff and we're gonna semi more 176 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: more than we're doing now professionalize polity athletics. 177 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: Your favorite NBA prospect in the tournament is. 178 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: Who the up side is Darren Peterson. In real life, 179 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 3: it's it's a Cuffer or or de Bansa and Kevin 180 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: Wilson would have been in that conversation until they broke 181 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: his hand. But a Cuff is really very's ay, Couff 182 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: is really good. He plays at his own pace. Reminds 183 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: me of Damian Lillard. Uh De Bands, reminds me tracing 184 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: me Grady. Those guys are just different. Like the one 185 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: thing I like about those two guys there every day guys. 186 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: They're every day just you know, And I'm not saying 187 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: Peterson is like Peterson's struggling out fitting with his team 188 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: because he hasn't been with his team. The guy's a 189 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: ridiculous talent because, as you know, the one thing you 190 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: have to do in the NBA is. 191 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 4: Make shots, and that dude can make shots. 192 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've watched him, but I mean, there's buyer beware 193 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: because I don't know if he loves playing. Uh, Debanza 194 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 2: is every night that dude brings it, as you said, yes, 195 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: and that's what I want. I want somebody. You know, 196 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: some guys are really good, but that doesn't mean that 197 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: they really love playing. They're just really good at it. 198 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: And that's the thing with Peterson and Bill self. I'm 199 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: still trying to figure out, and maybe he's still trying 200 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: to figure out. You know, where are we going with this. 201 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: I've only got a couple more games with this kid anyway, 202 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 2: but I'd just be nervous that I just don't know 203 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 2: if he's somebody who is a gym rat who really 204 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: wants to be great. He might just be a really 205 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: talented player. 206 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he is really talented, and yeah, time will tell. 207 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: I mean, it's the first time he's ever dealt with injuries, 208 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: but he is really talented. And the dude makes buckets 209 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: and I'm. 210 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: Interested to secuse. 211 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: I think if he's really engaged and he figures out 212 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: when to be selectively aggressive, but they play with him, 213 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: not to him, and through him, I really believe Kansas 214 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: can make a run. 215 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: We'll see. 216 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that you know, playing through him or 217 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: to him, because sometimes you acquiesced to a star instead 218 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: of he needs to blend into what you're doing. It 219 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: feels like he's in there. Bill self is going out 220 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: to how do we, you know, make you happy? How 221 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: do we bring you, know you into our system or 222 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: do we have to play your kind of system? Do 223 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: you have any problems with the eighty three points that 224 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: Bam Autebio scored and how he scored. 225 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: Look, it's not what Kobe did, but it's an incredible 226 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: accomplishment and I like it for Bam and I got 227 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 3: to run right after this, but I like it for Bam. 228 00:10:59,000 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 4: For this reason. 229 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 3: Bam is an everyday dude, like Vam's a guy. Vam's 230 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: a guy that you can just havet on. He's a 231 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 3: blue collar grind it out, compete every day all about 232 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: the team, works as rear end Off, plays as hard 233 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: as anyone. To me, I'm good with Bam because I 234 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 3: know what he stands for and I'm like his growth 235 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: as a player has been incredible, and I'm happy for 236 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 3: the dude. 237 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: I know you got to run. We'll talk to you 238 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: next week. Thank you, So you got it. 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You do it 259 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 6: today and you can check all of those out on 260 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 6: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. 261 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: Joining us. Now the man of the hour or hours. 262 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: He is the man who is the second most points 263 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: in NBA history in a game. Bam, out of bio 264 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: joining us on the program, Bam, thanks for joining us. 265 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: What part of your body hurt the most after the 266 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: eighty three point game? 267 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,359 Speaker 8: Oh, the arms for sure, the shoulder. 268 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: From shooting. Yes, you got to ice down the shoulder 269 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 2: like a pitcher does after you know, throwing seven innings. 270 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I had to get in the ice bath. 271 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: And really, Uh, what did you think pre game? Did 272 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: you think anything pre game differently than any other game 273 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: you've had in your career? 274 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 8: Uh? 275 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 5: I knew we needed to win that game. 276 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 8: Because we've we've been in this playing situation for the 277 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 8: last three four years, and going into the game, you know, 278 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 8: we got most of our starters out Andrew Wiggins, Norman Powell, Tyler, 279 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 8: hero khalil Ware, so it's only two starters in our 280 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 8: bench mob basically, and we know how those games can 281 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 8: get because with the Miami Heat, we've beaten the number 282 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 8: one teams in both conferences, but we've also lost to 283 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 8: both of the worst teams in both conferences, So you 284 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 8: can see how that game can be tricky. 285 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 5: For us and we just needed to win. 286 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,479 Speaker 2: Why does it feel like people want you to apologize 287 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: for scoring eighty three points? 288 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 5: Probably because I wasn't part of the agenda. 289 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 8: You know, it wasn't it shocked the world because it 290 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 8: wasn't somebody who they glorify as a score, as somebody 291 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 8: who can get that record. And I feel like that's 292 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 8: what shook the world. And also they're gonna say that 293 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 8: I shot X amount of free throws. 294 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: But once you realized that they were going to foul you, 295 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: that that became the offense. You're just like, they're gonna 296 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: found me, so I'm I'm going to take advantage of this. 297 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 8: It wasn't even they were gonna fil me. It was 298 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 8: more so like I'm being aggressive. I'm trying to get 299 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 8: I'm trying to I'm trying to score buckets. That's what 300 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 8: I'm trying to. I'm trying to get buckets. It's not 301 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 8: uh And they just kept filing me. Like I said, 302 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 8: there were no other of my starters out there, so 303 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 8: it was just me. 304 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: When you got to eighty one, what were you thinking, 305 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: I gotta. 306 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 8: Make these next supre throws because if I'm missing myself. 307 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: But no thought of Kobe, who was one of your idols. 308 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: Did you ever think of stopping at eighty one? 309 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 8: No, because I know if it was the other way around, 310 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 8: Kobe would have been like shooting or whatever. I And 311 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 8: to be in that conversation as your idol is what 312 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 8: to me makes it. It gives me one of those 313 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 8: things where I'm appreciative of it because it's my idol. 314 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 8: It's somebody who I grew up watching the game like 315 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 8: I grew up watching him, like understanding what he's still for. 316 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 8: And that man was he will tell you I'm chasing Jordan, 317 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 8: whatever record he's trying to get, I'm trying to break it. Uh. 318 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 5: And obviously you know I got the opportunity to do that. 319 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: And I think because people love Kobe so much, that 320 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: bothered them more that who were you to do that 321 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: to our Kobe? And here he is your idol, and 322 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: I just and you're right, there's no way Kobe you 323 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: would say, hey, you got to eighty one. Stop, He'd 324 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 2: be like, no, keep going, go for ninety if you can. 325 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: I mean, that was his mentality exactly. 326 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 8: And like I said, if the dead could talk, I 327 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 8: would I firmly believe he'd be like, congratulations, young fella, 328 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 8: Like you did something I thought nobody could could even 329 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 8: reach for the next forty fifty years. 330 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time you met Kobe? 331 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 5: Never met him? That is the other thing, never met him. 332 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 5: Never met him. Oh that is. 333 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 8: That is another reason why it's so special to me 334 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 8: because I never got to meet him. Like the one 335 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 8: time I thought I was gonna meet him was it 336 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 8: was my first All Star. I was like, if I 337 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 8: make All Star this year, I might get to meet Kobe. 338 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 8: And obviously the tragedy happened, and I remember where I was. 339 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 8: I remember just sitting there and just started crying because 340 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 8: I was like. 341 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 5: I was like, bro, Like. 342 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 8: You know, from a from player standpoint, you know how 343 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 8: we all appreciate that man for what he's done for 344 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 8: the game, for what he's done for people's mentality to 345 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 8: him creating a mama mentality was like keep pushing forward. 346 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 8: So I was heartbroken because I was like, I really 347 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 8: wanted to meet my idol. 348 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 5: At some point. 349 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: Talking to Bam out of bio fresh off of eighty 350 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: three point per port, well, I mean last night you 351 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: only got twenty one. I mean what happened? 352 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 8: Trying to figure out how you can redoce something like that. 353 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 5: That's hard to it's hard to keep up. 354 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 8: And nobody talks about the next game because it's funny 355 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 8: because when I go back and look at what he 356 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 8: did afterwards, he also had. 357 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 5: The same type of game, Like it was like it 358 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 5: wasn't eighty. 359 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 2: One, Yeah you had thirty. How important was it to 360 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: have your mom there. 361 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 8: Man, to have my mom there, to have my people there, 362 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 8: to do it at home in front of our home crowd. 363 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 5: It's a moment none of us will ever forget. 364 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 8: And to be there, to be in the building, to 365 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 8: have my mom there, like I said, like she's my 366 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 8: pride and Doug, a lot of this I do for 367 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 8: her and for her to you know, see that her 368 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 8: son put itself in history. I know she's full of 369 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 8: joy and that's something she'll always talk about. 370 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: What does your girlfriend do better than you on the 371 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: basketball floor? 372 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 5: Wilson everything everything? You know, she can do literally anything. 373 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 8: And also having her in the building was special because 374 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 8: she was mad because I got my ten thousand points 375 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 8: while she was on her tour and obviously to do 376 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 8: that while she's sitting courtse I was. 377 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 5: It was a special moment for us. 378 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: I think her career high's fifty three. 379 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 5: That's a lot of buckets still. 380 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: But let's be honest. I think I could get I 381 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: think I get ten points off the Wizards. 382 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 5: Oh listen, Like I said, everybody wants to be mad 383 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 5: at me. 384 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 8: Bed be mad at their coach for not doubling me 385 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 8: when I had thirty. 386 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 5: In a quarter. 387 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 7: You know my. 388 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 2: Problem with this? And I keep telling people in my audience, 389 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: you had sixty after three quarters, nobody was complaining about 390 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: how you were playing or they were playing. Then all 391 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's like, oh, you know, he's embarrassing 392 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: or they're embarrassing the game. I said, what happened the 393 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: first three quarters when you put up what sixty four points? 394 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what people have to you know, let's 395 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: look at the entire game, not just the last five 396 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: minutes where it got a little silly or got out 397 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: of hand. 398 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 5: How do you respond? 399 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 8: So and also their coach started filing my teammates, so 400 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 8: I couldn't I couldn't shoot free throws. So it wasn't 401 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 8: like it was just like all the Miami Heat are 402 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 8: just shitt in the game away. 403 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 5: That's not what it was. 404 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 8: It was also them being like, in order for Bam 405 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 8: not to get this record, we're just going to file 406 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 8: his other teammates when they touched the ball. That's unethical basketball. 407 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 8: To me, It's like whatever y'all want to call it. 408 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 5: Uh, but yeah, people, we're gonna try. 409 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 8: What I did out there was special to me and 410 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 8: everybody who knows, like how hard I work behind the scenes, 411 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 8: like to see me put on that type of performance. 412 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 5: To have sixty four and three quarters is insane. 413 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 8: And the thing that people forget, like they cut the 414 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 8: lead to like eleven in the fourth quarter, So it 415 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 8: wasn't like we were up thirty the whole quarter where 416 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 8: everybody's just saying, oh, they were up thirty. No, they 417 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 8: cut the lead to like thirteen to eleven at one 418 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 8: point in the fourth quarter. So I had to play. 419 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 8: And because nobody watches us until that moment, we've had 420 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 8: twenty point leads in the fourth quarter and lost the game. 421 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 5: What do y'all want us to do? 422 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: The uniform go to the Hall of Fame? 423 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 7: Uh? 424 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 5: Not yet It's on the way, though it hasn't got there. 425 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 2: It wait, what are you? What are you waiting for? 426 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 8: I mean, I got I gotta ship it, man, I mean, 427 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 8: what you want me to do? 428 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 5: You still got like. 429 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: You can. That's not a big deal. You got people, 430 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: You got people who have people who can do this 431 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 2: for you. 432 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 5: Don't give it back, right right, It's just a special moment. 433 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 2: By the way, I have Kobe autograph Jersey, and I 434 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 2: have your autograph Jersey. Right yeah, yeah, yep, even yours. 435 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: What you didn't know if I knew who you were? 436 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you know that's this. 437 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 2: Bam. I'm a baller. 438 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 5: So what's your career? 439 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 2: Dame thirty six? 440 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 5: Listen, it's a lot of people. I credit that. 441 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 8: It's a lot of people that's not score thirty six before. 442 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: But that was before the three point shots. So let's 443 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: tackle on fourteen more so, probably a fifty burger. 444 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 5: I respect it. 445 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: I'm kind of I was kind of like Tyler Hero 446 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 2: before Tyler Hero. 447 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 5: M Oh, you were a bucket getter. Huh. 448 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: Yep that's what I was. Yep, that's what the ladies 449 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: called me. Bucket getter. 450 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 5: Bucket getter. Iright. 451 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: Okay, Dad, don't leave me open, man, That's all I'm 452 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: gonna say. Do not leave me open. Problem is I 453 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: couldn't get open. But if you did leave me open. 454 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: I was gonna make it. I'm not going to pass. 455 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 2: I'm not playing defense. I'm just letting you know. 456 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, just like Tyler. 457 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: Yes, that's it. That's all I'm gonna do. How mad 458 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: is Tyler hero? That you got the record and you 459 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: know that seemed like he would be a guy who 460 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: would be able to get eighty three. 461 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 8: He's going to be upset, honestly, man, I think all 462 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 8: my teammates was happy for me because, like I said, 463 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 8: performance is that we as the Miami he haven't seen 464 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 8: like as much as we want to talk about all 465 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 8: the greats that's been there, Like it was something that 466 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 8: like people weren't prepared for. Yeah, and that's why I 467 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 8: think a lot of like I said, I think a 468 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 8: lot of people are shocked by it because I wasn't 469 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 8: the quote unquote anointed one where it was like he 470 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 8: can be the one to do it. 471 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: By the way you play the Wizard April fourth, I. 472 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 8: Probably will get trouble team when I touched the ball, 473 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 8: I probably I probably would happen. 474 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: You know what, You could get fifty against the Wizards 475 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 2: the next time and it might be a subpar performs. 476 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 8: Yeah, people are gonna call me trash if I get fifty. 477 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: Proud, man, I be proud. You have every right to 478 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: be proud. And uh, it's an incredible performance. And I 479 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: don't care who you surpassed. You still put up eighty 480 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: three and you're right. Kobe'd probably say, you go, man, 481 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: you go. Don't stop at eighty three. But congrats. 482 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 5: I appreciate that. Damn man. 483 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 8: Congrats on your thirty six too, with no three point line. 484 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 8: Three point line is a lot of butts. Yeah, that's 485 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 8: that's tough. 486 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: A thirty two minute game, so I'm basically at more 487 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: than a point a minute. 488 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 8: Listen, You're in the history books, Dan, Listen. 489 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 5: I'm rooting for you. 490 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: You're in the history. This is about you. It's not 491 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: about me any other day, any other week, it's about me. 492 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: This this is about you. But uh, congratulations us, thank. 493 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 5: You, bam, thank you. 494 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: That's a bam out of bio. 495 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 496 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 497 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 498 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: listen live. 499 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: Sit back and relax, which is what we thought Jim 500 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: Beyheim was going to be doing in retirement, lo and 501 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: behold part of the ACC Network covering the ACC tournament. Coach, 502 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: good to see you again. Look at you a little 503 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: tan there, look well rested. 504 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's left makeup, leftover makeup. And also I was 505 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 7: home retired for a week and Julie said, no, no, 506 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 7: you need to get a job one week. I mean 507 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 7: I needed a week. 508 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 8: Uh. 509 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: We just had Bam out of bio on after scoreing 510 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 2: eighty three. Whoever you make of that performance, Yeah, I 511 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: mean he's. 512 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 7: A really good player, probably one of the not in 513 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 7: the top fifty to ever score eighty three points. But 514 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 7: you know, you get things going. These are these are 515 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 7: all great players up there, and you know, I'm convinced 516 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 7: that the joke it's you know, he gets forty with 517 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 7: fifteen assists. I mean if he wanted to score or eighty, 518 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 7: I think he could. I think maybe Shay could. But 519 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 7: you know those guys they do other stuff too. I 520 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 7: mean it's great to see that. Those performances are great 521 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 7: to see. I remember watching Kobe get the eighty three 522 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 7: and think, as wow. 523 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: That housekeeping, that housekeeping. 524 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 7: I forgot to do that, the urb sign and you 525 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 7: know that doc on door A little bit is extra. 526 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 7: It's a little extra for our show here, you know, 527 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 7: we get an extra. 528 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, got about a twenty second time out. You could 529 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: tell her to come back. 530 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 7: Shoot, they went away, They're gonna they're good. 531 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 5: How much? 532 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: I mean, like did Carmelo have. 533 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 7: You know, pretty much whatever? He would not take bad shots, 534 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 7: so he pretty much had it. Jerry McNamara pretty much 535 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 7: had it. The guys that can really shoot, you want 536 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 7: him to shoot. You want them to feel comfortable shooting. 537 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 7: I think that's one thing with Patino does as being 538 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 7: the great coach he is. He gives his players the 539 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 7: freedom to play offense. You want them to have that freedom. 540 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 7: Not everybody can get that freedom, but the guys that 541 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 7: should and usually the players on the team know that anyway. 542 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 7: Except that, but yeah, I come Ol could shoot when 543 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 7: he as long as he was on the court, he 544 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 7: could shoot. Yeah, someplace. 545 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: Speaking of Jerry McNamara, you're going to campaign for him 546 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: to take over at Syracuse. 547 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 7: Well, i'm not the athletic We have a new athletic 548 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 7: director who I think is really good and I think 549 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 7: he'll make a good decision. I think it's a good job. 550 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 7: I think there's good candidates. Jerry went from four to 551 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 7: twenty eight programsc er to the NCAA Tournament in the 552 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 7: second year with two of his best players out for 553 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 7: the year. So I mean, yeah, he's a candidate for 554 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 7: any job in the country. But that's up to the 555 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 7: athletic director. And I do have a little office there. 556 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 7: It's not it's kind of hidd in someplace candidates to 557 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 7: the closet, but I hope he'll get consideration. They'll come 558 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 7: up with the best candidate. It doesn't have to be 559 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 7: a Syracuse guy or a non Syracuse guy. It has 560 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 7: to be who's the best. Who's the best coach that 561 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 7: can help us And obviously Agrin, you know, did as 562 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 7: good a job as good. I mean, you have to 563 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 7: have NIOL money. If you look at the ACC or 564 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 7: any league in the country, the top four teams have 565 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 7: the most NIO money. That's and they're good coaches too, 566 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 7: but they have NIO money and you have to get 567 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 7: there in this day and age. I don't think he'll 568 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 7: change anytime soon, but that's the bottom line. Syracuse shall 569 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 7: get a really good basketball coach. 570 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 5: I believe. 571 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: What kind of money do you need to compete at 572 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: the top of the ACC? 573 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 7: Ten million ten million basketball is great. I mean you 574 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 7: could do it with eight or something maybe if you 575 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 7: get lucky. Also, you could have ten and not do it. 576 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 7: There's programs that have ten and don't do it. There's 577 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 7: programs that have spent fifteen or twenty and are not 578 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 7: doing well. I mean, you still got to coach, you 579 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 7: still got to get the right players. Indiana is the 580 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 7: greatest example, Indiana football of you know, a great coach 581 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 7: getting the right guys, not all four stars, but you know, 582 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 7: good players and get them into a system. Vanderbilt basketball, 583 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 7: same thing, did a great job this year. And it's 584 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 7: they got the money, they have a good coach. It's 585 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 7: it can be done, and it can The good thing 586 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 7: about you do it in one year. And you know, 587 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 7: everybody criticizes the portal, and obviously there's a lot not 588 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 7: to like about the portaland and il, but there's forty 589 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 7: Europeans over here or a really good player is because 590 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 7: of NIL. There's forty seniors that are staying in college 591 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 7: because of NIL. So you look at the product out there, 592 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 7: it's good basketball. This is the best basketball has been 593 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 7: in a while, really since the portal opened, when it 594 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 7: was all guys leaving early. Guys aren't leaving early anymore 595 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 7: because they know they're they're not going to get the 596 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 7: chance of being the G League or something. So that 597 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 7: helped college basketball. It'd be better if we get to 598 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 7: the point we have a salary cap, we have contracts, 599 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 7: and you know all that stuff that's going to happen, 600 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 7: you know, and you need some kind of cap. They 601 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 7: have it in the pro leagues, and we're a pro league. 602 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 7: It's prost pro best. We're pro football. College is pro sports. 603 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 7: I mean I'm hearing soccer players, a volleyball player got 604 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 7: three hundred thousand dollars someplace. Who where did we you know? 605 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 7: In the beginning, we thought that that would be the 606 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 7: total amount of money your whole team would get maybe 607 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 7: a couple hundred thousand. But obviously when you get boosters invout, 608 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 7: they want to win, and the boosters with big money, 609 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 7: it's it's a drop in the bucket for some of them. 610 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 7: So we are where we're at. But we got a 611 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 7: great game as far as on the court, I mean, 612 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 7: Florida State gave Duke everything they wanted last night. Probably 613 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 7: could have won easily or not easily, but they could 614 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 7: have won and you know, we had a great game 615 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 7: in North Carolina coming back, and you know, I mean, 616 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 7: we've had great games in the tournament, and I think 617 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 7: that's a reflection of what's going to happen in the 618 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 7: NCAA tournament. And by the way, miam Ohio has got to. 619 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 5: Be in the tournament. 620 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 7: I mean, the people that are talking about that are 621 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 7: just crazy. No, they wouldn't be at the top of 622 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 7: a conference, but they could be in the mix in 623 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 7: a conference. But that's not the point. They won thirty 624 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 7: one straight games. I saw them play eight times. I 625 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 7: doubt if there's any coach or any pundit out there 626 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 7: who saw Miam Gohaw play eight times and they have 627 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 7: a good team. Are they going to beat Florida? No, 628 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 7: I mean they're not beating floor. Those days are over. 629 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 7: That good mid major school is not going to the 630 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 7: Final four unless something just crazy happens. The teams at 631 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 7: the top are just they're just too good. 632 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: Talking to Jim Beheim, of course, hall of famer, and 633 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 2: he's working with the ACC Network, the role of a 634 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 2: coach now compared to ten years ago. 635 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 7: Well it's completely different. You have to recruit the players 636 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 7: and you have to figure out your salary structure, how 637 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 7: much money you have for each player, and who you 638 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 7: can get, who you can't get, and some of that's 639 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 7: a guessing game. Agents will tell you this, my player's 640 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 7: worth a million dollars. He can get a million dollars 641 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 7: over here. Well he can't. 642 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 2: I mean, but you. 643 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 7: Don't know that, you know. So you have to kind 644 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 7: of guess and plan, and then once you get your team, 645 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 7: the good news is you have summers now to kind 646 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 7: of get them ready, so you can get a completely 647 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 7: new group ready. You know, Ryan Oldham was Virginia all 648 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 7: new players. They're in the top ten fifteen in the country. 649 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 7: Arizona mostly all new play, not all, but mostly new. 650 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,479 Speaker 7: We look around the Michigan mostly all new. So yeah, 651 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 7: you could put a team together. And I laugh a 652 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 7: little bit when fans sometimes say, well, I don't know 653 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 7: the players, so I don't know if I like that. Well, 654 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 7: if the players come in at whatever scow and win, the. 655 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 5: Fans will like the team. 656 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 7: You know, Virginia's fans were all here, you know, why 657 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 7: are they? They didn't know any of these guys last year, 658 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 7: but they're winning. In sports, Dan, as you know, in broadcasting, 659 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 7: you win, you keep your job, and you know, that's 660 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 7: the bottom line, and fans will come to games. 661 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 5: If you win. 662 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 7: But yeah, and that's where we are in college basketball. 663 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 7: And you know, but we need to get some structure. 664 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 7: But a coach has to make sure he can do that. 665 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 7: And then obviously he's got to put your team together. 666 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 7: And coaches can do that. I mean, we used to 667 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 7: have a couple veterans returning, but some years we only 668 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 7: had one or two veterans and three or four new players. 669 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 7: I got lucky and won the national championship with two 670 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 7: freshmen being the two best players on the team. Now 671 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 7: freshmen can't except for that rare ten. This is an 672 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 7: unbelievable freshman class. But a normal freshman class, there's probably 673 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 7: five or six guys that could really help right away. 674 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 7: The rest are not ready to go against seniors, so 675 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 7: transfer portal seniors. But this freshman class is I don't 676 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 7: rate them that much. I don't scud but it's got 677 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 7: to be as good as any I can remember in 678 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 7: terms of talent. I mean, it's an incredible class. 679 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 2: You still in favor of expanding the tournament to ninety 680 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 2: six teams. 681 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 7: I'll just explain this one more time, it doesn't happen 682 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 7: ninety six. But we can go to another two sites 683 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 7: like Dayton, go to two more sites and you get 684 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 7: done the same time frame, and you can have the 685 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 7: teams playing closer to home. 686 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 5: And you have to. 687 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 7: Remember there's two things that are important. Number One, we 688 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 7: don't have the best sixty eight teams in the field, 689 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 7: all right. We have automatic qualifiers who are not in 690 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 7: the best sixty eight in the country. So you're leaving 691 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 7: out teams in the top fifty or so in the 692 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 7: country with the system we have. Now, I'm not saying 693 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 7: those teams shouldn't be in. They should. Let's let's let 694 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 7: them go. They're not going to win anymore, but let 695 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 7: them in. But you add six, eight, ten, whatever number 696 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 7: it is. You make ten or twelve fan bases happy, 697 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 7: you make fifty to twelve players happy, and you make 698 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 7: coaches securing their job if they're in the NCAA tournament, 699 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 7: whether it's expanded or not. And unless you're at a 700 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 7: couple of places, but you're in the tournament, and what 701 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 7: have you lost? After one week? You have a better 702 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 7: field than you had before because the weaker teams are 703 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 7: all going to be out. The better teams are going 704 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 7: to be in and you haven't diluted the tournament. Made 705 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 7: the tournament better because you have better teams in the 706 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 7: tournament and more players and more fans and more coaches 707 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 7: are in the tournament. What's to not like about that? Hey? 708 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 7: I remember John Wooden is a great coach, a great man. 709 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 7: He wanted the tournament to stay at twenty four, and 710 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 7: he knew what he was doing, right, But they went 711 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 7: to forty eight. Tournament got better, right, the tournament went 712 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 7: sixty four. Tournament got better, right, tournament's a sixty eight. 713 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 7: Tournament's still getting better. It's not going to get worse. 714 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 7: And you're going to add teams players who are good. 715 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 7: I mean we got in one year. We were probably 716 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,919 Speaker 7: the last team in. We could have been the first 717 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 7: team out easily. We went to the final four. So 718 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 7: there are teams that are going to get left out 719 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 7: that could get going. I mean, Florida State's not going 720 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 7: to get in the tournam they don't deserve it, but 721 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 7: if they played a little better earlier, they can be. 722 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 7: Their coach said it, we can beat anybody in the country. 723 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 7: I think he's right. They really play good. But that's 724 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 7: my feelings. I don't think if you really think it through, 725 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 7: you can argue that the people that say, oh, we 726 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 7: can't expand it, they say, well, it's going to dilute 727 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 7: the tournament. No, they say, well, you know, bad teams 728 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 7: will get it. No they won't. They'll be good. They 729 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,919 Speaker 7: won't be great, but they'll be good. And the best 730 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 7: teams are still going to win at the end. And 731 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 7: I think you have another dating we can't. And you 732 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 7: know during the weekend someplace you can watch TV. There 733 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 7: is no reason not to have it. And I know 734 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 7: almost six seventy percent of the media is against expanding it. Well, 735 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 7: so it was still at twenty four and most of 736 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 7: those guys wouldn't have a job. 737 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 2: It's rare when you have make a good point, but 738 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 2: you did, and you made a very good point there. 739 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 7: I haven't made a good point at home in the years, 740 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 7: so I'm glad to make a point. 741 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 2: Here before I let you go. Why isn't Sonny Vaccaro 742 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 2: in the Basketball Hall of Fame as a contributor to 743 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 2: the game. 744 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 7: You know, he's an unbelievable contributor at the game, But 745 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 7: it's it's not he's not getting all famous. Just there's 746 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 7: too much around him. He's a good guy, good man. 747 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 7: I know him very well. I was making no money. 748 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 7: It's Syracuse, and Nike gave me money, free shoes for 749 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 7: all the players, as many as they wanted. We were 750 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 7: paying for shoes, free uniforms, free year, free bags. They 751 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 7: gave us all that and it helped us. It helped 752 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 7: all of us. And one of the reasons I stayed 753 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 7: to Syracuse so long is because of Nike and what 754 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 7: they did for me. Personally. I didn't have to get 755 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 7: as much from the school, but he got that going. 756 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 5: It was him. 757 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 7: The movie is pretty good. He did it. He got 758 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 7: all these schools, all these coaches, free stuff, money, all 759 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 7: that stuff that the schools didn't have to provide. I mean, 760 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 7: it's a win win. I remember if somebody asked me, what, 761 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 7: don't you feel bad, you know, taking my night? No, 762 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 7: like my players love Nike. Now, if the players didn't 763 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 7: like the sneakers, that would have been a problem. But 764 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 7: they all liked it. They all want to wear Nikes, 765 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 7: and we got they got ten pairs. I paid for 766 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 7: my second pair of shoes when I played at churches. 767 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 5: I paid for it. 768 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 7: Well, I did, My father did you know that's what 769 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 7: We got one pair of shoes for the year, and 770 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 7: you know that was it. Now the players get all 771 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,919 Speaker 7: this stuff and who's who wants to argue about that. 772 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 7: I mean, I say, Phil Knight of Ring National Championship Rank, 773 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 7: and be honest with you, I'm proud to say it. 774 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 7: He allowed me to stay at Sercuse. So yeah, I 775 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 7: mean study for Carol did a lot of that. I 776 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 7: mean it was him, he Phil Knight, let it happen 777 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 7: and backed it. But Sonny Pacero did that and he 778 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 7: was great with youth basketball getting his Seeing the Nike camp, 779 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 7: All American Camp, that's where you saw all these players 780 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 7: and you got to recruit nationwide because you didn't have 781 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 7: to go to California to see a kid. You can 782 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 7: go to wherever Sunny was having his camp. We saw STEVIEE. 783 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 7: Thompson there, we saw l ron Ellis, We saw all 784 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 7: these guys. So we never recruiting those guys. It wasn't 785 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 7: for Sonny v Carol in his camp all the best 786 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 7: players in the country. I mean I saw Lebron James 787 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 7: play against Carmelo and all these guys in one place 788 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 7: on one plane ticket instead of going to thirty different 789 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 7: places to see the thirty players I needed to see. 790 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 7: I can see them all on one weekend, and so, 791 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 7: I mean, he did a lot for the game. I 792 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 7: personally think he's a really, really great person who has 793 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 7: been great for players and coaches. And there's really no 794 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 7: negative with Sonny for me that I've ever seen, and 795 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 7: he's had a huge influence on the game of best. Well, 796 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 7: it's hard to get in the all. There's so many 797 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 7: constituencies that make up to get seven eight guys goes college. 798 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 7: I know, I know high school coaches that should be in, 799 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 7: you know, Gary, Gary mgnited modern day. I mean there's 800 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 7: a number of high school coaches. Herman Harrida played for me. 801 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 7: It's one about five state championships in Baltimore. I mean, 802 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 7: there's a lot of But you know, there's so many 803 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 7: people that have to get in the Hall of Fame, 804 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 7: and Jerry Claso has done a great job keeping the 805 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 7: Hall of Fame going. We're fortunate to have him and 806 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 7: unfortunate because he got me three gold medals in the 807 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 7: Olympics along with Mike Skrzhski, which was there's no experience 808 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 7: like coaching your national team to an Olympic gold medal. 809 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 7: Standing there and here in the national anthem. There is 810 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 7: nothing like that. Standing next to Kobe Bryant and Lebron 811 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 7: and Wayne Wade, Carmelo and all those guys. That's a 812 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 7: feeling you can't get in life normally. 813 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 2: Have fun at the tournament. My best, your wife, and 814 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 2: thanks again for joining as coach. 815 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 7: Thanks, and you know what, we're still here. It's a 816 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 7: miracle we're still here and working, both of us. 817 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what's the bigger surprise me or you? 818 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 7: It's a toss up. It's a tossa I'll give you 819 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 7: a little edge. I'll give you a little edge. 820 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 2: Would you turn eighty eighty one. 821 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 7: Ticket? The lady said to me, young old lady said, 822 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 7: you're not sixty five, are you? I said, no, I'm 823 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 7: not sixty five. I'm eighty one. She didn't want to 824 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 7: give you a senior discount. 825 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 2: You could pass for seventy nine I swear you could 826 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 2: pass for seventy nine years. 827 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 7: A flight attendant told me the other day. One was 828 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 7: nice and the other one said, well, you don't look 829 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 7: over ninety. So it's in the eye of the beholder, 830 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 7: you know, that's right. What I feel about it. 831 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 2: If you want to do abuse, you could have stayed 832 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 2: at home. You didn't need to go out and have 833 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 2: somebody else. Thank you again, coach. Thanks to that's a 834 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 2: Jim bay Hunt.