1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Coast a and Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: podcasts of the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain. Welcome to 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and opinions expressed 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: by the host are their thoughts and opinions only and 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: do not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast, am employees of Premier Networks, or their 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been 12 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: On each episode, will discuss the reasons we now know 14 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Before I 16 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: formally start the show, I want to just mention that 17 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: there are some horrific things happening in the world, and 18 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: grief is so prevalent to so many of us. The 19 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: things we're seeing on the news, both in our own 20 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: countries and abroad are just absolutely devastating. So before we 21 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: go any further, if you are someone who is experiencing 22 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: grief and you need some comfort and some understanding, Chapter 23 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: ten of my book We Don't Die is how to 24 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: Survive Grief. It's a big chapter and it talks about 25 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: what happens in our brain, why we grieve, things that 26 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: we can do to feel better. It's so important to 27 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: me not just to talk about the evidence of the afterlife, 28 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: which is great, but we need tools for living life 29 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: right now. And some of us got into this conversation 30 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: because of deep grief. So if you're interested in that, 31 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: you can have it for free absolutely at my website, 32 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: which is we Don't Die dot com. Go to the 33 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: store page, scroll down you'll see the audio book We 34 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: Don't Die, a skeptics Discovery of Life after Death. Please 35 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: use the coupon code free, and not only can you 36 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: listen chapter by chapter, but the PDF copy is there 37 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: also if you'd rather read it. So just sign up 38 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: for the audio book and that's yours to keep. I 39 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: don't want to diminish how important it is to understand grief. 40 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: So many people die inside and you may know what 41 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: it's like when you have a loved one pass, and 42 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: so there's no justification or understanding for some of the 43 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: things that are happy in the world right now. But please, 44 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: if you want to share my book with other people, 45 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: give them the coupon code. Please. I'm here to help, 46 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: I really am. So today's episode actually goes hand in 47 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: hand with grief and the afterlife. Many many years ago, 48 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Virginia Hummel. Her year old 49 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: son was killed in a motorcycle accident, and afterwards she 50 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: experienced the miracles of contact between him and her and 51 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: her view of reality started to change. She first started 52 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: writing a book called Miracle Messenger Signs from Above with 53 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: her story about her son, and then she's also written 54 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: a book called Cracking the Grief Code. You can find 55 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: out more about her at Virginia Hummel dot com. So 56 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: where we're picking up in this conversation, and she was 57 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: just starting to talk about being very spiritual as a child, 58 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: just knowing that there was something more. Gosh, you know, 59 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: we have all the regular life events, the marriages and 60 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: the kids and all sorts of things, but all along 61 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: I knew that there was something of a spiritual nature. 62 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: Happening around me, and I put up my spiritual radar, 63 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: And which is what I encourage a lot of people do, 64 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: is just to begin to pay attention. A lot of 65 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: us are so busy with our lives and raising kids 66 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: and working that we shut everything out. There's too much noise. 67 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: There's TV, and there's radio, and there's drama in our lives. 68 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: But if we can take a moment to just say, 69 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm just going to be aware of things around me, 70 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: you may begin to notice, like I did, synchronostic events, 71 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: people coming into your life, opportunities for you that are 72 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: not just coincidental. They lead you on a specific path, 73 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: a trail, and they move you forward. I found that 74 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: happened quite a lot. And I also found that if 75 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: I was wing in the wrong direction, I would be blocked. 76 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: So by tuning into my intuition and putting up my 77 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: spiritual radar and being aware, I was more easily led 78 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: in directions that benefitted me, thus benefiting other people. And 79 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: then I have four children, my younger son, two older boys, 80 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: and two younger girls. And my younger son was killed 81 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: in an accident in two thousand six, but she and 82 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: her sister were very psychic they could see people on 83 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: the other side. They were very very close, and they 84 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: had truly had dreams of changing the world. But it 85 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: was through my daughter's experiences with spirit when she would 86 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: come to me and say, Mommy, my lights going on 87 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: and off in my room. I'm hearing someone whisper my name. 88 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: All of these different events forced me as a as 89 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: a parent to address these with her in a very 90 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: non threatening, open type of way, open and supportive way, 91 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: which was something I didn't get as a child. So 92 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: in doing that, I was able to talk with my 93 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: son about life after death, and thus when he transitioned 94 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: along with my grief, I was able to tell myself, 95 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: if there truly is something more, then my son will 96 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: help me figure that out. And that is what has 97 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: led me today to you following that path. What are 98 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: some of those signs or messages that you've got from 99 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: your son? And first of all, I'm sorry about the 100 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: death of your son. Even as much as we believe 101 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: we don't die, I know and you know as well, 102 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: the grieving is very real, and so my condolence is 103 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: to you, and bravo to you for taking all of 104 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: it and now making a difference with so many lives. 105 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: Oh thank you, Sandra. Will be interesting thing about my 106 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: experience with the death of my son. I have four children, 107 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: and Chris was the only child that I felt that 108 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: the day he was born and I held him, I 109 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: knew he would cross before I did, and it was 110 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: an unerring certainty and it terrified me, and I thought, 111 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: where did that thought come from? My? My goodness, who 112 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: thinks those things? But it stuck with me. And in 113 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: metaphysics we learned that what we focus on re attracts, 114 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: so surely I did not want to focus on that, 115 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: but the voice continued to whisper to me throughout his life. 116 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: As a teenager, he came to me and told me 117 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: he knew when and how he would die. I had 118 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: never said anything to anybody what I've felt at his 119 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: birth and what I felt all along, and I begged 120 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: him to give me the information, and he wouldn't until 121 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: about two years later when he find me said well, Mom, 122 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to die at age fifty two. My son 123 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: crossed at age five. And it wasn't until maybe six 124 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: months after his death that I remembered that conversation, and 125 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: I saw those numbers reversed themselves from fifty two to 126 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: and I knew he purposely did not tell me. It 127 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: was because he didn't want me to worry, of course not. 128 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: But one of the things that is I find so 129 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: fascinating that realizing that both my son and I knew 130 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: of his impending death. After his death, I was compelled 131 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: to look for a larger meaning, to really dig deeper 132 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: into the supposition that we are eternal beings. And that 133 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: was the only explanation that made sense to me. Was 134 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: my knowing actually a memory from a spiritual contract that 135 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: I had made with my son before we incarnated into 136 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: these bodies. And if that was the case, why had 137 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: we chosen to participate in his early death? What were 138 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: the lessons to be learned? What is his life and 139 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: early passing taught me? And how could I honor my 140 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: son and our journey if not to embrace those lessons, 141 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: remain in a state of grace and the open to 142 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: his contact as well as other experiences that were now 143 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: available to me. Have you received any communications or anything 144 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: from your son after he transitioned? Absolutely, there's just so many. 145 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: I completed my first book, Miracle Messenger, because he had 146 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: contacted eight different people within five years of his crossing, 147 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: and one person who had never met him he came 148 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: to and it's it's really fascinating. I think a lot 149 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: of people don't know of these opportunities and possibilities to 150 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: connect with our loved ones. And what a way to 151 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: comfort ourselves knowing that we can go on and feel 152 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: their presence and since their presence and see them in 153 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: dreams and communicate and they can send us signs. It 154 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: was truly the only thing that saved me, that lifted 155 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: me up from that place of deep, deep sadness and 156 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: grief to joy in the midst of my grief. When 157 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: you lose a child, it's re really unexplainable, I'm gonna say, 158 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: unless you've experienced, it's very difficult to describe the feeling 159 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: to someone else, and it is devastating and it is 160 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: truly life altering. But in the midst of that deep grief, 161 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: I was filled with joy because I was aware there 162 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: was something more. And every time I looked towards God 163 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: and Spirit and my son for a connection, for a 164 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: sign to tell me that there was something more, I 165 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: received one kind of messages. Have been experienced, Well, they 166 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: can come through the cell phone. What do you mean 167 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: by that? What do I mean by that? So I 168 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: had my son's cell phone after he died, and the 169 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: phone would ring and I would pick it up, and 170 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: I'd hear some crackling and I'd say hello, Hello, and 171 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: there was no voice back, but I could sense there 172 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: was someone there, and I go, well, that's really weird. 173 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: And I would hang up and redial the number that 174 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: dialed me and said, I'm sorry, this number is no 175 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: longer in service, and I said, ah ha, something is happening. 176 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: Chris is trying to come through. Well. He did the 177 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: same thing with his lifelong friend Mandy Patterson the weekend 178 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: he died. She did not know he had crossed over yet. 179 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: She was receiving phone calls from an all zero phone number, 180 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: and she would pick up that it would sound like 181 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: someone was there, but it was very far away, and 182 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: she began to think that someone was stalking her. The 183 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: phone calls came through all weekend long, and so Monday 184 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: morning she picked up the phone and called Verizon and said, 185 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, somebody is stalking me. I'm getting these phone calls. 186 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't know who they're from. And they said, like, gosh, 187 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, there's no record of these phone calls, and 188 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: there is no all zero phone number. Spirit connects with 189 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: us in so many different ways. They come through certainly 190 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: through electrical phenomenon. The lights can blink, they can work 191 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: through our computers. Radio. Many people will get a thought 192 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: about their loved one and then their favorite song comes 193 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: on the radio. That's a really wonderful way for Spirit 194 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: to connect and let them know that they're with us. 195 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: And that would happen to me in my car. I 196 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: would be driving along suddenly my head was filled with 197 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: thoughts on my son, and James Blunts You're Beautiful would 198 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: start playing on the radio, and I could feel my 199 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: car fill up with my son's presence. And I was 200 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: always compelled to lay my right arm across the arm 201 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: rest with my palm up because I knew my son 202 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: was holding my hand. They can come through animals, they 203 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: can come through after death, the after death communication. When 204 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: we sleep, you know, generally between two and five o'clock 205 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: in the morning is when our psychological and physical dissenses 206 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: are at their lowest and our ability as spirit, as 207 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: a spiritual being, is able to reconnect with that divine 208 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: place that we come from. We're gonna pause right now 209 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: and take a quick break. But while during the break, 210 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: just have a think to yourself, what signs have you got? 211 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 212 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 213 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 214 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. Let's continue listening to Virginia Humble as 215 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: she talks about signs after her son had passed. My favorite, 216 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: absolute favorite, my son appears as a hunting bird. Now. 217 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: I can't honestly say if his little soul is inside 218 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: the hunting bird, but I know he's very much connected 219 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: with it. And for me and many of my family 220 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: members and friends, now a hunting bird has become a 221 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: sign of the connection to spirit. About a month after 222 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: my son had crossed, I was in the garage unpacking 223 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: some of these things, and I was halfway in the 224 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: garage and I was crying. It was very painful looking 225 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: at his baby clothes and such. And a little hunting 226 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: bird flew into the garage and hovered three ft in 227 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: front of my face, just staring at me. He was 228 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: so large, you know, they're so tiny, but his presence 229 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: was so large it forced me to stop what I 230 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: was doing and really take a look at him. And 231 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: suddenly I found myself in gratitude of this beautiful little creature. 232 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: And instantly I felt the energy in the garage change. 233 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: I could feel the molecules in the air, and and 234 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: inside of me there was a there was a vibrational change, 235 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: and suddenly I could feel Chris everywhere around me. It 236 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: was a moment that shifted me from sadness in despair 237 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: to hope. It's amazing to me when a butterfly comes close, 238 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: but to have a humming bird, which are rare to 239 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: see anyways, come into your garage and three ft from 240 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: your face, that's pretty extraordinary. Well, so I thought it 241 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: was really cool. And the beautiful thing about it, Sandra, 242 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: was that it helped me to shift my energy from 243 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: that sadness and despair, which is a very slow, low vibration, 244 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: to a much higher vibration. The moment I felt gratitude 245 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: and saw the beauty in this little creature, my energy shifted. 246 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: It was raised. And once you begin to learn to 247 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: raise your vibration and your energy level, we are more 248 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: readily available to connect with spirit and That's what I'm 249 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: trying to get across to people, to anybody that's willing 250 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: to listen and to be open. It is everything is vibration, 251 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: and spirit resonates on such a high, high level, and 252 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: here on the earth plane were much denser, but during 253 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: grief were shrouded with this awfully deep, cutting, penetrating pain 254 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: and sadness and despair, which pulls us further as the 255 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: furthest away from Spirit, from unconditional love, from the feeling 256 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: of gratitude and joy. And so when we're courageous enough 257 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: to just take a peek to open herself up to Spirit, 258 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: to put up our spiritual radar and reach out to 259 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: try to touch that, we soon begin to lift ourselves 260 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: and touch Spirit and interact with spirits, which again lifts 261 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: us from that grief because it helps us to raise 262 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: our vibration. I have a great energy level. I have 263 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: a great story for you. Well. One of my readers 264 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: of my book emailed me, and she was I think 265 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: she was about sixteen year old and her younger brother 266 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: had died of an accident with a b B gun. 267 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and she held herself very very responsible, 268 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: and she herself was gonna kill herself. So I'm grateful. 269 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: She turned to me, and you know, I was worried. 270 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: What do I say? What do I say? What she 271 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: really wanted was a sign from her brother, and so 272 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: she stayed in communication with me, and I, you know, 273 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: I set her up with a little bit of help 274 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: um where she was. But I said, and this was 275 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: just intuitively. I said, the more dark and in despair 276 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: you feel, the harder it is vibrationally for your brother 277 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: to get through. Well, that was enough to intrigue her. 278 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: Well what do you mean? And I said, grief is 279 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: normal and it hurts really bad, but you have to 280 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: do some things to raise your vibration so he can connect. 281 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: Now she's really intrigued. So I said, play music, go outside, 282 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: think about what you're grateful for. Or it really kept giving, giving, 283 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: giving any tools that I had, just to kind of 284 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: raise her. Well, she sends me the best email. She 285 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: says that he used to like this song by this 286 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: punk rock band. And she says it's very rarely played, 287 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: and even when it is, it's the radio version and 288 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: not the instrumental version. I guess whatever, And she said, 289 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: I hear on the radio when I'm down that instrumental 290 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: version that's very rarely played will come on the radio 291 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: just when I need to hear it. So she's like 292 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: he's coming through because like they never played that song, 293 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: and she went from despair to now belief. And so 294 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: I think what you say about raising our vibration and 295 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: feeling better, there is something to that. You need to 296 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: have that higher level of vibration. So sometimes we might 297 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: be really frustrated that you know, so and so died 298 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: and they're not coming through, but it takes something from 299 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: our side to help raise our energy level, so that 300 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: makes it easier for them. You mentioned music, and music 301 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: is a great way. You know, sometimes when I really 302 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: need to get something done and I may be feeling 303 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: sad or frustrated, and I know I need to shift, 304 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: I turn on Ain't no Mountain high enough, and it's 305 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: just those in those few first notes, my whole energy 306 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: begins to shift, and I just want to get up 307 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: and sang it as loud as I can. And so, 308 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, we I think we all have a favorite 309 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: uplifting song and that is for me, the easiest way 310 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: to help shift that vibration. That that's great. I'm glad 311 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: you mentioned that I'd like to share one more story 312 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: about the hummingbird. The hummingbird became a wonderful sign, and 313 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: he came quite often to me and other family members. 314 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: And I had moved houses about two years after that 315 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: garage incident, and there have been quite a few other 316 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: little hummingbird incidents. And I was in the new house 317 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: and the movers hadn't come yet, and I was in 318 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: the master bedrooms of unpacking a few boxes and things 319 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: I brought, and I wondered to myself, she I wonder 320 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: if Chris knows I moved, And then I kind of 321 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: boked my head like a V eight thing, and he's, 322 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: of course he does right. Well, instantly I heard this 323 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: little and I'm like, what is that annoying? And I 324 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: went to investigate. And I had left the sliding door 325 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: to the living room open about a foot and in 326 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: the living room a little hummingbird had flown and was 327 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: trying to escape through one of the three big picture windows. 328 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: And I thought, oh, my gosh, well that's a coincidence. 329 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: I think on my son, and within seconds there's a 330 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: humming bird in my house. So I didn't have anything 331 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: to get him out with a broom or a net 332 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: or anything. I'm wondering how I'm going to do it, 333 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: and suddenly I am compelled to walk towards this little 334 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: hummingbird where he's trying to get out the window. And 335 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: I stopped about ten feet away. I didn't want to 336 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: scare him, and I was just really enjoying his company 337 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: and his presence, and once again I was compelled. It 338 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: was as if spirit whispered to me. I closed my 339 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: eyes and I raised my hand with my palm flat 340 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: up into the air over my head as far as 341 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: I could go. And suddenly that little hummingbird lighted on 342 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: my fingertips, and I couldn't believe it, and I lowered 343 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: my hand and he had one finger tip one little 344 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: foot on my index finger, and one on the fingertip 345 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: of my middle finger. And I just was an add 346 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: this little creature, you know, God's little miracle. And she 347 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: had this ear DestinE, beautiful ear, desftinente green coat, and 348 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: his little beak and his little claws were about the 349 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: diameter of a daddy long legs leg. And I just 350 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: was marveling in the sandra when suddenly the energy in 351 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: the room shifted and I could feel that tingling sensation 352 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: that filled me like champagne bubbles. And suddenly my son 353 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: was everywhere. He was in the lights, dreaming through the window. 354 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: He was inside me, he was around me, he was 355 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: under my feet, and I just said, oh my gosh, Chris, 356 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: you're here. I could just it was so beautiful. And 357 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: then a moment later it was gone, and I just 358 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: stood there in gratitude with this little hummingbirds still want 359 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: my hand, for goodness sake. And then I thought, gosh, 360 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: I've I've got to figure out how to get him outside. 361 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: I wonder if he's going to stand my hands. And 362 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: so I slipped across the room about twenty ft to 363 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: the door, and I flipped out the foot door that 364 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: I had opened just a crack, and got to the patio, 365 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: and my goodness, he still was on my fingertips. And 366 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I am so grateful you're here. 367 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. And he continued to sit there 368 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: and look around as if he were whistling, like waiting 369 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: for me to get it. I didn't know what I 370 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: was supposed to get, but I looked at him. I said, 371 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: you know, I'll be okay, you can go, and he 372 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: looked me in the eye, he nodded his head and 373 00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: he flew off. My Sandra, that was I'm like, did 374 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: that just really happen? Well? I was so fortunate to 375 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: be able to have two daughters that just love these 376 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: types of things. They dearly missed their brothers and they 377 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: knew that this was a sign and and they were 378 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: very supportive. But the rest of my family, you know, 379 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: pretty much would roll their eyes and go, you know, 380 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: that's bird like. I would have been Florida if it 381 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: had been the like I said, a butterfly doing that well, 382 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: and they do, and the dragon flies, and you know, 383 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: people see feathers and pennies and all sorts of little 384 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: sign that's just spirit saying we're here. We're right here 385 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: with you. There is no separation. And that's the things 386 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: that I hope that people will look for, even in 387 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: the midst of their deepest grief. It's important that we grieve. 388 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: And you know that, Sandra, I've wailed with the best 389 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: of them. Laid on the floor, curled in the ball 390 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: and whaled. Of course. Then I said, okay, I let 391 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: that move through me, that energy, and then I got 392 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: up and said, but you know, I didn't feel all 393 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: that great I want to feel good. I think I 394 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: can grieve feeling better than that. And I would bounce 395 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: back and forth, but I always got up and looked 396 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: towards spirit and said, you know, I really need another 397 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: side and do something here Chris, and he would come 398 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: on my computer. I felt him. One of the things 399 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: that happened about a week or so after he first 400 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: crossed over. I was paying bills one night and my 401 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: screensavere was flashing random photos out of about four thousand photos, 402 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: and suddenly this photo of Chris came on and stuck 403 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: on the screen, and I looked up a couple of times, 404 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: and I finally sat back in my chair, and again 405 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: the energy in the room shifted. But I could feel 406 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: that my son was there, and yet I couldn't see him. 407 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: And suddenly, from behind, I felt as if someone wrapped 408 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: a warm blanket around my shoulders. And then I felt 409 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: through the top my crown chalk or at the very 410 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: top of my head something akin too warm syrup as 411 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: it just spiraled through my body, and I felt peace 412 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: and comfort and love. It was truly wonderful, and I 413 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: know my son had wrapped his arms around me and 414 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: kissed the top of my head. It was unmistakable, unforgettable. 415 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: I will never forget that. The signs from our loved 416 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: ones are very subtle sometimes, so you really need to 417 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: be patient, be present, keep in communication with them, asked 418 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: them to step close, put a kiss on your cheek. 419 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: Maybe anyways, we'll hear more from Virginia when we get back. 420 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 421 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 422 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 423 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: and we have a Virginia Hummel sharing about signs from 424 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: the afterlife and now believing in the afterlife really does 425 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: help us with grief. You know, one of the things 426 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: that is so difficult when we lose someone, Generally, our 427 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: perception of death is finality. And with that fear of 428 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: death also comes with fear of separation. As a parent 429 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: who has lost a child, you know, my son's gone, 430 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm a mother. Where is he is he? Okay? 431 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: Is someone taking care of him? I didn't do my 432 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: my motherly duty and protect my child. And then I 433 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: think down the road, my gosh, you know, he'll never 434 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: be married. He'll never go through these milestones. Well, what 435 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: I've discovered on my journey is that through the premonitions 436 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: that I had of his early departure, and through his premonitions, 437 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: it encouraged me to reach out and begin to read 438 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: and research, and I discovered other parents who had also 439 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: had premonitions of their child's early passing along with the 440 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: child knowing this. And when we begin to to look 441 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: at this information, information that comes back from near death 442 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: experiencers about the other side, we read about children's past lives. 443 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: If the child has a past live, and they give 444 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: us very detailed information that can be proven, we know 445 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: something is truly happened. If it's happening, if they've had 446 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: a past life, that means that all probability they're going 447 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: to have a future life. And so when I began 448 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: to take all this information in, I realized that it 449 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: was able to help me shift my perception of death 450 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: until I was no longer fearful of death. And when 451 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: I released the fear of as, I also released that 452 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: fear of separation. Our perception of these missed milestones is 453 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: just that it's a perception of something that truly wasn't 454 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be. So it's a big thing to wrap 455 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: our minds around all this information. And I'd really go 456 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: into in depth into my book Cracking the Grief Code 457 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: and how I was able to walk this journey and 458 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: discover these other people. Dr Mary Neil, She's written to 459 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: Heaven and back her little boy at age four or 460 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: five years old. She remembers the conversation when she said 461 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: to him, you know, Willie, when you're eighteen, and Willie 462 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: stopped her and said, Mom, I'm not going to be eighteen. 463 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: Don't you remember that was the plan? Now? So many 464 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: parents have had similar experiences to Mary Neil and myself. 465 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: Scarlett lewis a mother whose child died at the Sandy 466 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: Hook Elementary School and the shootings. She knew at her 467 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: son's birth that she wouldn't have him for very long, 468 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: and about a week before his death at Sandy Hook, 469 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: he had asked his dad how would he recognize his 470 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: grandmother in heaven? And his dad was like, what are 471 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: you talking about. You're not going to die. He goes, no, 472 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: but I need to know how am I going to 473 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: recognize grandmother when I die? The parents were supposed to meet, 474 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: I believe the afternoon in the classroom. It was just 475 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: before Christmas for I think a holiday project, and the 476 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: little boy was very melancholony, and he kept telling his parents, 477 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. 478 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: And then the day his dad took him to school 479 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: and dropped him off, Jesse placed his hands on his 480 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: father's shoulders and said, Dad, I want you to know 481 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: it's all going to be okay, and then I love 482 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: you and mom, and he turned around and walked off. 483 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: And a few hours later, you know, he was he 484 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: was killed um in that shooting, but something else happened. 485 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: But we after, Scarlett received a box of Jesse's papers 486 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: from school, and in that box was a drawing that 487 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: Jesse had made, a precognitive drawing of a little boy 488 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: with angel wings standing across from a menacing figure who 489 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: had had his face scratched out, blacked out with a 490 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: black crown. Jesse knew something was happening. Jesse knew he 491 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: was transitioning. His mother knew this from his birth. She 492 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: didn't know when. But you know, Scarlett has embraced life 493 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: after death and she's very aware of the flickering lights. 494 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: And Jesse came to quite a few people just after 495 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: he crossed over. So when we begin to take all 496 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: of these things, Sandra, and you know them, you've experienced 497 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: quite a few of them, when we put them all 498 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: together and we really conceive the bigger picture that there 499 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: is no separation. It's just a different state of existence. 500 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: We can can act with that. That's what's most important. 501 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: It will help us shift our perception of death, and 502 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: this shift our perception of the way we see grief 503 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: and our ability to heal. And that's what I want 504 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: to ask you, because out of all of this, out 505 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: of your experiences, out of your belief that Chris is 506 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: still around, obviously you're doing some really tremendous things, And 507 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: why don't you tell us a little bit about what 508 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: you're up to. And it's so obvious that the contract 509 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: you probably had with Chris was so that you could 510 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: go on to do what you're doing, because you're doing 511 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: some really profound things to helping people through grief, and 512 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: it's not just the loss of a loved one, it 513 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: can be loss of a relationship. And why don't you 514 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: explain really how your life has changed after his death, 515 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: and knowing that we don't die well I realized that 516 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: we shouldn't let the death of our child to find 517 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: or limit us. It should inspire us to go on 518 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: and do great things. And I did not want my 519 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: son's death to be for nought, and so I looked 520 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: for the lesson and the gift. And you know, would's 521 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: been easy to blame a lot of things my finger, 522 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: but that didn't serve me or anyone. I knew there 523 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: was a lesson. I knew there was something bigger than me, 524 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: and it was my job to look for it. His 525 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: death has been the gift of my spiritual awakening, and 526 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: it has sent me on the greatest adventure of my lifetime. Now, 527 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: I still missed the hell out of my son. I'm 528 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: the step I do, but I embrace life. I am joyful. 529 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: I you know, I have highs and lows. I said, 530 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, Thanksgiving, there's an empty chair. I missed my son. 531 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: But there's so many really wonderful things we can be 532 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: inspired to do when we have a spiritual awakening. And 533 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: it's really through my son that I realized that being 534 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: of service not only helped other people, it helped me 535 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: heal my grief too. Um. I have a good friend 536 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: that I met about three years ago, and she was 537 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: really not in a good spot. She had to leave 538 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: her two young sons in a foreign country her husband 539 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: was born, and even our U s State Department and 540 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: embassy could not get these children out of the country. 541 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: And she tried for years to rescue them, and they 542 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: were being abused and it was awful, and she was 543 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: just at the breaking point. And when I began to 544 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: talk to her about the bigger picture and our pre 545 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: birth contracts and these lessons and experiences that we go 546 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: through through. You know, the last three years of working 547 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: with her, she has really been able to shift her 548 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: perception of this whole event and look at things in 549 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: a different way with a new perspective. That has really 550 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: helped her to begin healing. And the most wonderful thing 551 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: happened her oldest son. It's been about eight years since 552 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: she left them there. Her oldest son this summer was 553 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: able to make it to the US embassy in that 554 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: country and they will were able to secret him out 555 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: of the country and she was reunited with one of 556 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: her sons in June, and it was it was just 557 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: um so moving for me. And how old is the sun? 558 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: He is seventeen and she left him, I think when 559 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: they were six and four, and it was it was brutal, 560 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: and you know, she really experienced the loss of two 561 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: children on a completely different level. You've heard of Eckard Toli. 562 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: I read his Power of Now in the early nineties. 563 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: I had gone through three divorces in the eighties. I 564 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: was young in my twenties, and yeah, that was really 565 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: tough because I dragged my children through them and I 566 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: had a lot of guilt around them. But in reading 567 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: Eckartol's information about how we can step outside of the 568 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: pain body and really view the dramas outside and really 569 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: release that, we can really shift our experience and and 570 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: how we view that experience. And I was able to 571 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: really do that and release the anger and the bitterness 572 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: and the sadness I had around those divorces. But the 573 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: interesting thing was, when I lost my son, I wondered 574 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: if it was possible to do the same thing, and 575 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: I discovered that it was. And this is what I 576 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: found to be so important and the message that I 577 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: would really like to begin to share with people. And 578 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: I have taken that message and put it in my 579 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: book and built it in that when we combine all 580 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: of these wonderfully st s spiritually transformative experience. I did 581 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: not coin that phrase, but it is really encompasses at 582 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: all the spiritually transformative experiences. And we can and look 583 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: for the lesson and the gift, and we can step 584 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: outside of our pain body and just be a witness 585 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: to what has happened in more of a neutral position, 586 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: then we can truly begin to heal ourselves and move forward. Uh. 587 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: And it's been a tremendous help to me, And I've 588 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: written a guideline so if people are interested, they can 589 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: go ahead and read and begin to work on those 590 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: exercises to really help shift their energy and their perception 591 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: and and truly truly heal from grief. One of the 592 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: notions that we all have is that we never truly 593 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: get over the loss of a child, especially and and 594 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: a loved one. But I know some people will be 595 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: upset with me saying this, but I don't believe that's 596 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: true because I've been able to do it, and I 597 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: know quite a few other people who have been able 598 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: to do that. And I do also want to reiterate 599 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: we all have choices. And Henry Ford said, whether you 600 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: think you can and or you think you can't. Either 601 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: way is right. So if you want to be have 602 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: that grief part of your life, there's nothing wrong with that. 603 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: You're absolutely okay in doing that. But for me, I 604 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: wanted something more. I wanted to find the joy again. 605 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: And I know you did too, and you have through 606 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: your book and your experience. And my dad always said 607 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: that quote. So when you just said that, I just 608 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: gotta dad. You know, I kind of believe in soul contracts, 609 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: but I also believe that accidents happen, and some horrific 610 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: things can happen that take us from this life to 611 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: the next. I don't believe that everything is pre planned. 612 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: But what I do believe, like Virginia says, is how 613 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 1: we look at the situation. If we choose to become 614 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: of service to others, that really helps. If we choose 615 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: to look what have I learned from this? So it 616 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: may take a couple of years to be able to 617 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: look back on the situation with new eyes, but just 618 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 1: be open to it. So we'll be back after the break. 619 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: And Virginia's got some things to say about orbs, so 620 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: you want to hear that you're listening to Shades of 621 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 622 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of 623 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Now Virginia has the website 624 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: Virginia Hummel dot com, but she also has the orb 625 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: whisperer dot com. Twenty months after the death of my son, 626 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: I got up in the middle of the night in 627 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: the dark, and there was this brilliant ball of light 628 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: and I looked at it, and it looked at me, 629 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 1: and it shot across the room and made a sharp 630 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: left and disappeared on like, holy cow, there's a burg outside. 631 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: And I raced through the house and I checked my 632 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: daughter and check the locks, and I got back into bed. 633 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, what the heck was that? And I realized 634 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: it couldn't have been a burglar because I started on 635 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: a wall there were blackout curtains. And I will tell 636 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: you that little ball of light has set me down 637 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: a path and a journey and an adventure of a lifetime. 638 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: I began taking photographs of these brilliant balls of light, 639 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: and they were coming into my house. I could call 640 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: them and they would come. They would fill me with joy. 641 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: Millions of people around the world are getting these brilliant 642 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: balls of light in their digital photographs, and we have 643 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: faces inside them. And what I have come to discover 644 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: through my research and experience is that many of these 645 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: balls of light are a visual manifestation of our soul 646 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: or consciousness energy. So for those of you who you 647 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: know maybe feel your loved one or can't feel them 648 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: and want to know if there's something more, pick up 649 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: your digital CA camera and start taking flash photos and 650 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: ask for your love when to be there, and they 651 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: will show up in the photos. I've got just such 652 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: the most amazing stories, and I would actually would love 653 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: to come back Sandra another time and talk specifically about that. 654 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: But those can people can visit my um website, the 655 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: or whisper dot com. But I also have my new book, 656 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: Cracking the Grief Code, is filled with ORB photos and 657 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: really incorporates orbs as a tool along with all of 658 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: the other spiritually transformative experiences to help shift our perception 659 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: of death thus help us heal on a grief journey. 660 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: That's so cool because I think of, like we said earlier, 661 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: everything being energy, and you think of the Sun being 662 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: gigantic orb, right, just this ball of fiery energy and 663 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: so why not why not have these miniscules, little balls 664 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: of energy that are visible and you need your flash 665 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: on to take get a picture of them. Absolutely, turn 666 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: your flesh from auto to on. Go outside at night 667 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: when it's dark because it's easier to get the contrast. 668 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: Please do not shoot into a light source, not the 669 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: sun of the moon, or landscape lighting or indoor lighting, 670 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: because it can create len slare and begin to practice. 671 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 1: My website has a lot of information on it. There's 672 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: a bit more information in my new book that's coming up, 673 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: but quite a bit of it's on the internet at 674 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: the moment. Skeptic Skeptic Sandra has a question though, yet, 675 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: Skeptic Sandra, Skeptic Sandra. Sometimes people say, because I've heard 676 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,439 Speaker 1: them say it, that orbs are just a reflection off 677 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: of dust. Well, they absolutely can be, and sometimes it's 678 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: difficult to distinguish between the two. But dust really needs 679 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: to do within a few inches of the camera to 680 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: reflect the flash and to be captured. We have or 681 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: photographs fifteen ft away behind partially hidden behind an object. 682 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: We have orbs with human faces inside that have been 683 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: identified as loved ones. So it takes a little bit 684 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: of a discerning eye. I've given some more information on 685 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: the web site about that too, But what it's really 686 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: important is in my research on this topic, there are 687 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: quite a number of near death experiencers who described themselves 688 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: crashing back into their body as a brilliant ball of light, 689 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: or leaving their body as a brilliant ball of light, 690 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 1: or even a spark of light. And most notably is 691 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: Eban Alexander and Proof of Heaven. There was a brilliant 692 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: ball of light, this orb that acted as an interpreter 693 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: between he and God during near death experience. But this 694 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: orb was also the woman on the butterfly wing in 695 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 1: is experience. They were one of the same. And it 696 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: wasn't until he was four months after he had awakened 697 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: front of coma that his birth family sent him a 698 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: picture of his youngest birth sister, someone who had never 699 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: met and who had died ten years earlier, and she 700 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: was a woman on the butterfly wing who was also 701 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: the orb in his near death experience. Oh that is 702 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: so cool. So this was a lot of good cool 703 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: stuff going on out there, and it's just my pleasure 704 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: to share it with you. Oh, I want to tell 705 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: you one more story because that just reminded me of something. 706 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: At once, I was finally open to the fact that 707 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: life after death was real and skeptic, Sandra, you know, 708 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: she showed up less and less. I'm a skeptic first, 709 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: but then I'll do something to prove otherwise. But I 710 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: was sitting on a bus from the airport back to 711 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: where I live, about an hour bus ride north of Boston, 712 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting next to this woman and she's saying 713 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: that a friend of hers passed away and she's coming 714 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: back from the funeral. Well, in my head, out of 715 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,439 Speaker 1: the blue, I see a picture in my mind's eye 716 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,760 Speaker 1: of this young, handsome priest. Right, it's like a black 717 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 1: and white head shot, is what I see in my 718 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: mind's eye. And I'm like and young but good looking priest. 719 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking that is so strange, and so I 720 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: just shoved the image out of my head, and I 721 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: keep talking to this lady. So the more she spoke 722 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: she went down to visit father so and so earlier, 723 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: and he was the one who had passed away. Well, 724 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: she pulls out a picture of the priest and it's 725 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: the same exact guy that I saw in my mind's eye, 726 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: although in my mind, I saw him younger than he 727 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: was in the picture. But not only the validation of 728 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: the priest, but the same guy with the same eyes, 729 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: with pretty much the same haircut. Oh gave me the 730 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: goose bumps. So when you say and Alexander's example of 731 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: that that really was his sister, you know, those things happen, 732 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: and I really think, like we had spoken about earlier, 733 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: to raise our energy and even one of the things 734 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: that I like people to do myself included, is to 735 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: try to quiet that busy mind and get into a 736 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: state may not be the same as when between two 737 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: and five am, but when you can quiet your mind, 738 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: I think there's more of a chance that you can, 739 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, feel your son in the car next to you, 740 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: or I can feel Grahmmy's fingernails or whatever these things are, 741 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: or that I saw the priest in my mind. But 742 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: it takes something, and it takes a little work on 743 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: our part, but it's possible. It does. Oh my gosh, 744 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: I've so enjoyed our me too, And now I have 745 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: a new friend. Thank you so much, Virginia. You're so 746 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: very welcome. Oh my gosh, just you just raised my 747 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: vibration and I just like ready to bounce off the 748 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: walls and run around the house. Now. Yeah, well it's 749 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,760 Speaker 1: interesting because you know, I can be honest and selfishly speaking. 750 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: I need a reminder too that this is all real 751 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: and and there's no better way for me than to 752 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: interview people that have had great stories and it it 753 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: helps get you out in the world, helps introduce you 754 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: to people, helps me introduce myself to you. And you know, 755 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: everybody gets some inspiration out of it. Not only that, 756 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 1: like I intend for our listener to really enjoy it, 757 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: for you to really enjoy it, and for me as well, 758 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: so we all feel good. And let's be on the 759 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: lookout for a miracle today. How about that? Wouldn't that be? 760 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: That would be wonderful? And God bless you. I mean, 761 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we what a great show you have. 762 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: And I'm just so thankful and grateful that you thought 763 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: of me and and I'm just so happy to be 764 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: here and be helpful today. And we thank Virginia for 765 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: sure for being here. Thank you, Virginia. You can see 766 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: her website at Virginia Hummel dot com, the orb Whisperer 767 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: dot com, and she's got a few books out miracle 768 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: messenger signs from above, also cracking the grief code, and 769 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: her new book is called Orbs and the Afterlife. I'm 770 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: really glad we had that ORB conversation because between you 771 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: and me, I've done experiments with orbs and shaking pillows 772 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,479 Speaker 1: and dust, having the flash on on a camera at night, 773 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: and it does pick up dust. There's a lot of 774 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: people very excited that their loved ones are close, and 775 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: not that they aren't, but be aware of dust, the particles. 776 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,360 Speaker 1: The orbs should show some kind of intelligence. There was 777 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: a great video that someone had posted on Facebook of intelligence. 778 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 1: It was a balloon, a helium balloon that was following 779 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 1: this person from room to room as she was talking 780 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: to it. Now she had a child in the afterlife, 781 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: and that that child was able to move the balloon 782 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: through the rooms up the stairs while she was talking 783 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: is pretty darn amazing. So with any kind of afterlife communication, 784 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: even if it is a sign from your loved one, 785 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: look for the intelligence. I'm overlooking my bird sanctuary right now, 786 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: and if I were to find a feather on the ground, 787 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,360 Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious it's from probably one of my birds. 788 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: A lot of people use feathers as a sign, but 789 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,959 Speaker 1: be aware are there birds in the area. One lady 790 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: I had talked to found a random, large white feather 791 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: in her suitcase. Now that we can say is a sign, 792 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: especially because she asked for a sign of a feather 793 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,399 Speaker 1: from her deceased son. There are many children in the afterlife, 794 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,280 Speaker 1: and the more we hear on the news, the more 795 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: are going there. Please rest assured. They continue to grow 796 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: up in the afterlife and when their parents meet them 797 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: over when it is their time to go, the children 798 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: can return back to the age they were when they departed. 799 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: There are loved ones, They're our guides. There are people 800 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: that look after them. They are not alone. For the 801 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 1: parents that are left behind, there absolutely can be nothing 802 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 1: more painful than to have a child depart before they do. 803 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 1: There's a great organization called Helping Parents Heal dot Org 804 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: which I cannot recommend enough because they are one organization 805 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: about grief that does believe in the afterlife. They have 806 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,839 Speaker 1: a large Facebook group, they have different groups that meet 807 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 1: in person around the world. They do a yearly conference. 808 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: They have all kinds of online guest speakers. They have 809 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: a YouTube channel with loads of great things. So again 810 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 1: that is helping Parents Heal dot org. So we're going 811 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 1: to close this episode and I hope you've enjoyed it 812 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,359 Speaker 1: as much as I have. As a reminder, please come 813 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,600 Speaker 1: to We Don't Die dot com. Check out our calendar 814 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: or the store page. It's all the good things coming up. 815 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: We have a free Sunday gathering with medium demonstration for 816 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,720 Speaker 1: our online community. It's very powerful. 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