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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of I Heart Radio Done.

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Speaker 1: What's you doing? Nothing? Good? Good? I got a quick

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Speaker 1: Um there's a company that is partnering up with a

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Speaker 1: resale retailer called thread Up and they're going to have

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Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty seven secondhand streetwear and designer pieces

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Speaker 1: that are part of a collection. Why am I telling

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Speaker 1: you this? I don't hear the ridiculous part. Now, it's

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Speaker 1: part of This is the end of my trilogy of

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Speaker 1: food brands getting where they shouldn't be. So I talked

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Speaker 1: about Applebee's. Applebee's I talked about it was the other

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Speaker 1: one in Velveta, Martin Hines. Catch Up is doing the

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Speaker 1: Hinze Vintage Drip collection. Every piece comes with its own

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Speaker 1: unique glob of dried ketchup. Wait what I mean? I

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Speaker 1: caught the whole Like I can hear the marketing meeting.

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Speaker 1: You know, the kids are saying nice drips. So we're

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Speaker 1: known for drips as ketchup. We should merge that synergy.

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Speaker 1: I can totally hear the meeting, But what I could

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Speaker 1: not anticipate is we should also put some of our

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Speaker 1: product on it. What do you mean our product? Like

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Speaker 1: a nice dried dupe of ketchup? So some fashion maven

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Speaker 1: has to go out and collect all these vintage pieces

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Speaker 1: when I wash my piece? You don't, because then I

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Speaker 1: lose the ketchup? Who washes clothes? Long awkward pause. Um,

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Speaker 1: want to tell people you own it, You take pictures

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Speaker 1: of it, and you put on I guess well. They said,

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Speaker 1: And then they said it's for quote fashion risk takers,

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Speaker 1: is it though? And food lovers alike? So what are

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Speaker 1: you're hungry? Lovers? Not Like you can just take a

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Speaker 1: in the in the press release that says, uh, they

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Speaker 1: want to participate in the circular economy while doing good

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Speaker 1: a splash or drip. The circular economy is that where

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Speaker 1: they make a product, they sell it, and then when

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Speaker 1: then they sell that again. That's the circular economy. All

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Speaker 1: proceeds go to rise against hunger. Couldn't they just give

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Speaker 1: the money right to them? Thank you, thank you, instead

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Speaker 1: of like turning it into this whole whatever, this is,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Elizabeth, I got something for you. Ridiculous And

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Speaker 1: I stressed that, oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean there

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Speaker 1: have been many things poised to ruin America in the

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Speaker 1: one of the most pernicious threats we've ever survived, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready to discuss the life changing threat, the

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Speaker 1: democracy wrecking threat of comic books? Oh wow, this is

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Speaker 1: ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. He

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Speaker 1: That's when there was the Chicago newspaper that wanted to

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Speaker 1: Comic books. Now, this writer, this is talking to in

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Speaker 1: America right before World War Two. This is a different

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Speaker 1: What about the kids? Now, this Chicago paper had the

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Speaker 1: exact same tone that you would recognize today. And I quote,

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Speaker 1: together to break the comic magazine. Now, you don't typically

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Speaker 1: character named Lady Satan. Oh, and that sounds bad. Lady Satan,

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Speaker 1: were on a boat and a boat was attacked by Nazis.

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Speaker 1: She swore to defeat the Nazis and Nazism. Lady Satan

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Speaker 1: That is a stretch, right exactly. Now he's totally like,

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Speaker 1: around poh, there were stories about, you know, all sorts

423
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Speaker 1: of crimes and criminality, but none of the boys went

424
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: around like walling up the neighbor kid in the basement.

425
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't see the issue. What's changed for today's kids? Right?

426
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: Good questions, super solid question, and luckily we have Dr

427
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: Worth them here to answer it. It is said that

428
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: children from secure homes are not affected, Mr Chairman, As

429
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: long as the crime comic books industry exists in its

430
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: present form, there are no secure homes. You cannot resist

431
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: infantile paralysis in your home alone. You must take into

432
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: account the neighbors children. You see, it's not just you

433
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: the neighbors. Wait, aren't most of these comic book cats

434
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: crime fighters? Yeah? But you have to have a crime

435
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: to fight it, don't you. And so they're worried that

436
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: these kids are focused on the crime, doing things hope

437
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: that Superman comes down, and they're getting the message. Here's

438
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: citizen snapped a woman entire up on to the railroad

439
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: tracks like the case they want to do that, trying

440
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: to summon that they don't want any kind of copycat

441
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: crimes like no using your X ray vision goggles kids.

442
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: So Elizabeth, mid century Elizabeth knows where I'm coming from

443
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: in this everything. Yeah, but when you know nothing, you

444
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: may hear the words of Dr Wortham and be confused.

445
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: But I'll just lay out another quote for you. Mid

446
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: century Elizabeth would get this, okay, but you try to

447
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: stick with me. And Mortham said, and I quote. I

448
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: would like to point out to you one other crime

449
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: comic book we have found to be particularly injurious to

450
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: the ethical development of children, and those are the Superman

451
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: comic books. They arouse in children fantasies of sadistic joy

452
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: in seeing other people punished over and over again while

453
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: you yourself remain immune. We have called it the Superman complex.

454
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: So there's your answer, joy and punishment. He's punishing the criminals.

455
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: You're stoked because it's not you, because you're not a criminal.

456
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you see a future of It's right

457
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: there in front of you, don't you see it, Superman, Uberman, Deutschland, Deutschland,

458
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: It's right there. It's just a road to fascism. You

459
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: know what I have to say to that lady Satan Satan, Well,

460
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: he wants you to know that. And I quote Dr Wortham.

461
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: In these comic books, the crime is always real. Then

462
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: Superman's triumph over good is unreal. More Over, these books,

463
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: like any other, teach complete contempt of the police. For instance,

464
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: they show you pictures where some preacher takes two policemen

465
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: and bangs their heads together. Or to quote from all

466
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: these comic books, you know, you can call a policeman

467
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: a cop and he won't mind. But if you call

468
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: him copper, that is a derogatory term. And these boys,

469
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: we teach them them to call policemen coppers. I just

470
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: can And you're not ready for there's such a logic

471
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: chasm going on here. Oh dude, Well, the thing is

472
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, my mother was alive and fifties, and

473
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: I remember a joke that she told me from this

474
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: time she was a schoolgirl, and she used to have

475
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: a joke when they be sitting there at the school

476
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: bus stop at a Coppa drive by. One of the

477
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: kids just would shout, what are old pennies made out of?

478
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: And these kids are all like seven eight. They would

479
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: look at the cop and Yale dirty copper. Right, So

480
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: that that is like what he's basically describing. My mother

481
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: went on to become a school teacher. I don't think

482
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: that she read a lot of Lady Satan. She loved

483
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: Ladies saying that's her favorite. She's got a poster still

484
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: up in her room. Whatever your postings. So Senator to

485
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: Kei Faba is not like Keith's like, you know this

486
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 1: guy dr Worthing while I brought in, he's stealing up

487
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: all the crazy air. I need to get some of

488
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: this from myself, right. So he's like, if I'm gonna

489
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: get any the headlines, I'm gonna need to move beyond

490
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: this whole fascism Nazis. We beat the Nazis, We got

491
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: new concerns. So what does he do? He pushes it

492
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: down the road, Senator to Kei Faba, and I quote

493
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: while you're on that subject, Dr Wortham, mass see that thing.

494
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: Anybody who opposes comic books is a red Dr Wortham, Yes,

495
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: that is a that is part of it. Because the

496
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: comic book industry that apparently accused Dr Wortham of being

497
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: a communist, which is patently so. Ender Kiefab and then says,

498
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not done. We need to get

499
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: this two man crazy train further down the tracks. Next

500
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: up Hitler. He's like, back it up, sir, Senator Kiefab,

501
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: would you like in this situation you talk about showing

502
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: that same thing over and over again until they finally

503
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: believed it to what we heard about during the Last

504
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: War of Hitler's theory that they tell the same story

505
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: over and over again. Now, Chairman Hendrickson, he jumps in,

506
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: he's like the big lie technique. Dr Wortham jumps on

507
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: the spot. Well, I hate to say that, Senator, but

508
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: I think Hitler was a beginner compared to the comic

509
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: books industry. They get the children much younger, and they

510
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: teach them race hatred at the age of four before

511
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: they can even read. The train is so far off

512
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: the rail detritus. So can mid century Elizabeth go down

513
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: and just start slapping slap sense into him. Is Keifa

514
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: sounds sounds like the way you're doing it, sounds like

515
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: he lives on just drinking water down molasses. This is

516
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: full sustenance. Pretty close throwing a little, maybe little whiskey

517
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: in that water. I just this is making no sense. Well, Elizabeth,

518
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: so confused. So not only are Wonder Woman and Superman

519
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: teaching the American children to hate cops, and they're also

520
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: primed for fascism and they have the whole race hatred

521
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: in their hearts and they're looking around for a new hitler.

522
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: But they're also against America. So not only are they

523
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: supporting fascism, but they're not down for mom and dad

524
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: and apple Pie. I don't think you understand this. Absolutely

525
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: did not understand that we're going to take a short break,

526
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: and after the short break, we're going to meet the

527
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: man who's willing to stand up for comic books and

528
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: your Lady Satan. Now, Elizabeth, you're up on Capitol Hill,

529
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: sent there to meet with the Lady Maymie Eyes and

530
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: our first lady Mamie Eyes. Yes, and you spotted that

531
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: hullabaloo going down. You went into the Senate, you saw

532
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: the Senate Subcommittee. You saw Dr Wortham and he's still waiting. Well,

533
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: you're still in the Capitol rotunda, and you're still in

534
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: the Senate Chambers, and you're still in the gallery in

535
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: time to see William Gaines are anti Hero take the stage.

536
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: He is the publisher of Intertaining Comics Group. Okay you

537
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: may not know them now, but they were the first

538
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: comic book company, essentially, and it's a family company, one

539
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: that he's now inherited from his dad. And under his

540
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: new young leadership, he's decided, let's do horror comics. Why not?

541
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: I love those. I don't want some more crime stories.

542
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: And so he's making stories that are not just for

543
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: young kids, but for teens and for young adult readers.

544
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: He's basically doing y A before it exists. Okay, it

545
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: becomes wildly successful, especially the horror comics. He also prints

546
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: biblical comics, horror horror like Scary not not horror comics,

547
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: sex worker comics Elizabeth for the children, no horrors stories

548
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: with sex workers. It's Mary Magdalen series of thought. It

549
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: was like Horrors going up. You gotta love a horrors bath. No,

550
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: all of us in this show. We support the Hols

551
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: not my pro sex worker. We all know this. No,

552
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: this guy, William Gaines, he's unafraid to speak his mind

553
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: because he's unafraid of the imagination of the American kids.

554
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: He's also unafraid of a row of old geriatric senators.

555
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: He's young, he's got all sorts of confidence. Also, he's

556
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: high on speed. Yeah, so well, he had the scheduled

557
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: senate testimony, so he got hopped up on some like

558
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: some speed pills, right, and they rescheduled and pushed him

559
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: after lunch. Now the speed is draining out of as

560
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: system and he's going through amphetamine withdrawals when he takes

561
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: this day a little bit of a comedown. So how

562
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: I like you to focus on this young, cocky, thirty

563
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: two year old comic book air publisher with a nasty speed.

564
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: And so Mr Gaines introduces himself and a quote, I'm

565
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: here as a voluntary witness. I asked for and was

566
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: given this chance to be heard. Two decades ago. My

567
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: late father was instrumental in starting the comic magazine industry.

568
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: He edited the first few issues of the first modern

569
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: comic magazine, Famous Fundies. My father was proud of the industry.

570
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: He helped found he was bringing enjoyment to millions of people, right.

571
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: So he starts solid, he's like, look these are this

572
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: is family name dropping. Yeah, exactly, I'm about this. I

573
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: was first where were you then? You know? So he

574
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: then admits he's like, look, I'm culpable and I quote

575
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: I am responsible. I started them. Some may not like them.

576
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: This is a matter of personal taste. And what he's

577
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: referring to is the horror comic books that are really

578
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: offending people. Right. And while he's at it, he also

579
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: wants to take a little shot at a Dr Wortham.

580
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: So he says it would be just as difficult to

581
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: explain the harmless thrill of a horror story to a

582
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: doctor Wortham as it would be to explain the sublimity

583
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: of love to a frigid old maid. Exactly. Someone came

584
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: loaded for better, So young dude, games, He's like, you know,

585
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: the Senate Subcommittee of Geriatrics and your whatever your hound dog,

586
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: Dr Wortham, I am afraid of this, right, So he

587
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: starts launching into society, being being a citizen in a

588
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: free society. What does this mean? Right? And I quote,

589
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: Our American children are for the most part, normal children.

590
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: They are bright children. But those who want to prohibit

591
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: comic magazine seem to see dirty, sneaky, perverted monsters who

592
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: use the comics as a blueprint for action. What are

593
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: we afraid of? Are we afraid of our own children?

594
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: Do we forget? They are citizens too, and entitled to

595
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: select what to read or what to do. We think

596
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: our children are so evil, simple minded that he takes

597
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: a story of murder to set them to murder, a

598
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: story of robbery to set them to robbery. So you see,

599
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: he's trying to like, basically breathe a little reality back

600
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: proceedings right, how great? How well do you think it goes?

601
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: Not too well? Well, unfortunately I know how these things.

602
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: He doesn't give up because now he makes his real, solid,

603
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: timeless point, which is the truth, is that delinquency is

604
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: the product of real environment in which the child lives,

605
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: and not of the fiction he reads. There are many

606
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: problems that reach our children today. They are tied up

607
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: with insecurity. No pill can cure them, no law will

608
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: legislate them out of being. The problems are economic and social,

609
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: and they are complex. Are people need understanding? They need

610
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: to have affection, decent homes, decent food. Now these pleas

611
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: that he's throwing before the sentence up committee, They're like,

612
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: none of these are good for headlines, none of these

613
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: are good for firing up my base. So I'm going

614
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: to ignore everything you're saying. And they do. Right. So

615
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: the this falls on deaf ears right now as the

616
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: amphetamine is draining away from his brain because he's on

617
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: a good roll at first, right, he's still on a

618
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: good head of speed going. And then it pretty much

619
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: starts to like just you can watch like they level

620
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: in his eyes falling down. Right, So by this point

621
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: he's about half eye level full of speed, right, and uh,

622
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: he starts making mistakes right because he's now that after

623
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: he makes his opening remarks, the sanators you can start

624
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: questioning him, and that three starts stepping into all sorts

625
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: of potholes, and uh, one of the first things that

626
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: he says it's a big mistake is and I quote,

627
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: my only limits are the bounds of good taste. What

628
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: I consider good taste. That's gonna go. Yes, So they

629
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: jump on this good taste into Senator estes Key fall. Yeah,

630
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: he sees this as his opportunity, seizes on it, and

631
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: he's like picks up a comic book starts waving it around.

632
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Speaker 1: He's like his May twenty second issue. This seems to

633
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Speaker 1: be a man with a bloody axe holding a woman's

634
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Speaker 1: head up which has been severed from her body. Do

635
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Speaker 1: you think that is in good taste? Now gains, he's

636
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: got to be like, yes, sir, I do for the cover,

637
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: for the cover of a horror comic. Yeah, A cover

638
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: in bad taste, for example, might be defined as holding

639
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: the head a little higher so that the neck could

640
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: be seen dripping blood from it, and moving the body

641
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: over a little further so that the neck of the

642
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Speaker 1: body could be seen to be bloody. And Senator key

643
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: fob is uh, you have blood coming out of her

644
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: mouth a little, Senator and Senate kei fab here is

645
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: blood on the axe. I think most adults are shocked

646
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: by that. And boom, here's the rub. What obsets us

647
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: most adults is not what upsets most kids. And this

648
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: is what they're basically arguing. Games is like, the kids

649
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: see this as ludicrous. You're the only ones who are

650
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: like that could be my head on that right A right,

651
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: So the Senate Subcommittee, it just keeps going off the rails.

652
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: Games is allowed to leave and they kind of like

653
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: realize that they're not going to be able to scare

654
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Speaker 1: the American people. They want it last two days. They

655
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: have another hearing in June. So the first ones are

656
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: twenty second another June one boom. The summer happens. Kids

657
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: are let out, So now you're not gonna be able

658
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: to scare the parents anymore. You don't really want to

659
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: scare them because they're out where they can't see them.

660
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: Really good and useful when they were school children, and

661
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: you could be like wagging a finger right now the

662
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: comic book code. Though they're worried about their wallet. We

663
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: gotta get on this. Come up with the comic book code.

664
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: And the comic book code is this this stamp you

665
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: can put on a comic book that says it's following

666
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: all these rules which the comic book publishers come up

667
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: with where they can self police. I think they come

668
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: up with his rules, Elizabeth. I don't know the height

669
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: of the head, dripping blood on the cover. I sympathize

670
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: on behalf of all those to drop gross outs all

671
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: the time, right, you know, it's like, look, I'm being cartoonish,

672
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: being cartoonishes when I say gross things on this show.

673
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: In my head, it's a it's a cartoon, um, but

674
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: some people hear it and take it very literal. Send

675
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: it as to key, father has issue. What you do,

676
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: Ms Elizabeth? I got issues with him. I'll see him outside,

677
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: I'll see him after class. So the couple, I'll just

678
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: run you out a couple of There's a lot of rules,

679
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: but they basically go into like, one crime, She'll never

680
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: be presented in a way as to create sympathy for

681
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: the criminal, blah blah blah. Another one policeman judges government

682
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: officials and respecting institutions. She'll never be presented in such

683
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: a way as to create disrespect for established authority. Blah

684
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: blah blah. Wait, how bootstepping is okay? Well, exactly criminals

685
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: should not be presented as to be rendered glamorous. Right, yeah, exactly.

686
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: So they apparently they think children are dumb and they're

687
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, we gotta make sure kids aren't confused.

688
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, like kids are savviier than a generally.

689
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: My mother always used to tell me that you're you're

690
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: at your absolute smartest at eight years old. Yes, I

691
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: would completely agree. You're paying the most attention and for

692
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: me Downhill peaked at five. Oh well, I feel for

693
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: you girl. The comic codes, right, they don't just have

694
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: rules for just for the heroes and heroines about like oh,

695
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: for crime. It's also about how they live because it's

696
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: the fifties, so there's rules like if case Superman gets

697
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: a divorce, here's how you show it. Right, divorce shall

698
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: not be treated humorously nor represented as desirable. But it's

699
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: so funny it is and desirable. And there's also like

700
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: the like romance stories, right, because like what if you know,

701
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: before Superman gets divorce, he's got to have some love time.

702
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: So he and Lois are like having their love time.

703
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put this in, senator asked his key.

704
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: Father's right, Well, you have to emphasize the value of

705
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: the home and the sanctity of marriage. I don't know

706
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: if they mean the economic value of the home or

707
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: just like like it feels good to own a home

708
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: in the ladder. Yeah, they're championing homeownership, Like what kind

709
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: of like what interest rates are we getting these years? Kids?

710
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: Do you know the answers you should One rule that

711
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: was prominently listed amongst these guidelines, which seems to have

712
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: fallen somehow out of favor with all these other ones,

713
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: like respect the law, don't show criminals are bad, you know,

714
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: don't show Superman getting a divorce and being happy about it.

715
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: Here's the one rule that they left out because it's

716
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: in there. It's like high up on the list. Females

717
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: shall be drawn realistically, without exaggeration of any physical qualities. Yeah,

718
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: they really stuck to them. So you know, I'm not complaining.

719
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: As a former teenage boy, I'm not complaining. I was like, look,

720
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: I get it. I can see why you did. I

721
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: bought the comics, none of them. None of them had

722
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: stretch marks. Wonder Woman was hiper stripes, Elizabeth Well. When

723
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: all was said and done right coming out of the fifties,

724
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: the comic code basically saves the comic industry, and then

725
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: all these small publishers and independent publishers, the big ones emerge.

726
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: We get d C Comics, which was originally Action Comics

727
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: becomes DC. Marvel Comics emerges, and you get these people

728
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: like your familiar names, Stanley, Jack Kirby. They come out

729
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: and they become the comic book industry. Will stan Lee

730
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: end up having to battle with this dude, doctor Wortham

731
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: for much of his early career, and even in his

732
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: autobiography he takes a couple of shots to Dr Wortham,

733
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: and I quote to me, Wortham was a fanatic, pure

734
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: and simple. I used to debate with him, which was

735
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: fun because I usually won, but that was rarely publicized.

736
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: He once claimed he did a survey that demonstrated that

737
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: most of the kids in reform schools were comic book readers.

738
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: So I said to him, if you do another survey,

739
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: you'll find that most of the kids who drink milk

740
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: are also comic book readers. Should we band milk? His

741
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: arguments were patently sophistic and they're I'm being charitable, But

742
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: he was a psychiatrist, so people listened. Yeah. So the thing, though,

743
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: that really saved comic books wasn't all this hype and everything.

744
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: It was TV. Interestingly enough, Sam was a huge hit

745
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: on t V. So fromift, Superman's a hit, and eventually

746
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: that meant that the Human Torch and Captain America and

747
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: all these familiar comic books, Wonder Woman, they all get

748
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: new runs in the fifties, right, and we see that

749
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: the superhero starts to become a staple of American culture,

750
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: which I know you love because you're always like, hey,

751
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: there's a new comic book movie. When can we go

752
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: the comic book culture? No idea what any of those

753
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: things are. I'm not hearing you say them because you

754
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: will missmash them together. What's with the Flashman? Is that

755
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: new movie coming out? Dr? Flashman? Lake, spider Man, A

756
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: local Dentists. So the Hollywood movies, the streaming which you love,

757
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: all the superheroes, we wouldn't have any of that without

758
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: this big period in time in the late fifties, early sixties,

759
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: and the specifically one hero saved comic books. And it's

760
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: not Superman, not Batman, not wonder Woman, none of the

761
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: ones you would think of. And you guess who it

762
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: was saved comic books. I don't know if you will

763
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: because you don't really like comic books. Was it? The Hulk?

764
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: Little not a bad guess? The Flash Slash? Different Flash?

765
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: But this is the Flash with the article in front.

766
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: That's Flash. Gordon Cousins, Yeah, sure, yeah, what's the same

767
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: you were? I like that? Yeah, the Merciless says, so

768
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: so sure, Yeah, I have no idea. Okay, anyway, So

769
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: the Flash it's like this hero for the Atomic Age.

770
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: So everybody's like all super cool, Flash Slash the fastest, runs,

771
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: real fast, red outfit. Okay, but like like the Flash,

772
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: like I am become death destroyer of world. Not that one. No, no,

773
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: not the no, not the Oppenheimer everything like No, So

774
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: the Flash is popular. Let's just pretend, you know, runs

775
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: real fast a flash like I can see that flash

776
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: go by there you Okay, So now you're with me.

777
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. Flash is so popular

778
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: because because he's a young hero, he's a teenager. So

779
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: then we get Spider Man, your guy, and then the

780
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four and Mute to Spider Man in the top,

781
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 1: the Temptations X Men. So yeah, now there's one other

782
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: force that really helped cement the superhero era into what

783
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: we know of it today. Do you know can you

784
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: guess who that was? Who was a real person? You

785
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: know this person personally? I often mentioned them, I know

786
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: him personally or no. Dick Nixon, Oh yeah, yeah, Dick Nixon, Man,

787
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: Dick Nixon the years nineteen seventy. Nixon's like, hearing about

788
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: all this kerfuffle about comic books, he just keeps kicking

789
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: along and so the comic Codes. He's like, you know what,

790
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: I think we need to get a message out to

791
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: the kids. They still read comic books, right, Well, he

792
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: calls up Marvel. He calls up Stanley's like, I want

793
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: you to put out a comic book. And he's like, okay,

794
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: Dick Nixon, what do you want me to put out

795
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: the comic book? Drugs? Nixon wants a drug storyline in

796
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: a Marvel comic book. He's like, I don't know if

797
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: I can do that. So he goes to the comic Codes.

798
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: He's like, look, President Nixon's on my case. He wants

799
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: a storyline about drugs. And they're like, you can't do that.

800
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: Don't fall for it. It's a trap. He's trying to.

801
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: It's Nixon, He's tricky. Don't do it. Danley's like, I

802
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: trust him. He called me on my home phone. It's fine.

803
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: Nixon's like, stand any update on the drug comic book.

804
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: I really want to read it. And so Stanley's like,

805
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: goes back to comic Code. We gotta do this, Like

806
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: you can't do it. So he's like, I'm doing it.

807
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: So Stanley decides to do it anyway, takes the comic

808
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: book Code off the front of comic book puts out

809
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: his drug storyline in a Spider Man comic book, very

810
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: famous one, and it's all about like drugs, and Nixon's

811
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: just store like great story. It's like the Flash injecting

812
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: doobies and no Spider Man, no injecting doobies, no snorting

813
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: rails of the pot. So wait, does Spider Man get

814
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: a pill? Heaven? He's all sparkle nealy. It's like, I'll

815
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: piste off. Spider Man needs to go go choose if

816
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: you want any crome fought around there. Spider Man's hopped

817
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: up on goofballs and he hasn't a gym. Spider Man

818
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: in a mood to fight Criner unless he gets a

819
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: little bit for Spider Man sub scratching. So uh, the

820
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: other one. DC gets jealous. They like, we want Dick

821
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: Nixon to like us too, so that they do a

822
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: drug plotline the next year. It's about Green Harrow's buddy

823
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: Speedy and he gets a heroin Habit slows it down.

824
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming. You're like Speedy, I know,

825
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: loved it. Great comic book and sonictions all excited. So

826
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: by two thousand one, all of this like Nixon's gone,

827
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: so we don't anymore. The Comic Book Code is on

828
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: its last legs because Marvel pulls out and says, look,

829
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: we don't need this Comic book Code nonsense anymore. That's

830
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: some mid century like fossil stuff. And we're going full

831
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: frontal DCS like we're going to stick with you, and

832
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: Archie Comics is we're still with you. So Archie Comics

833
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: they stay for another ten years, about two thousand and eleven,

834
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, sorry, we had to go. And so

835
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: then everybody leaves, Comic Code becomes defunct and Goofus and

836
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: Gallant are standing there all but exactly Ghost was just

837
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: so I don't want to leave you wondering. But Senator

838
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: st is Key fob, Yeah happen to him. You're like,

839
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: what happened? Did he ever make anything of himself? I

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Speaker 1: don't remember that name? Well, Elizabeth, he did run for

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Speaker 1: president because I told you comic books were an easy headline.

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Speaker 1: He wanted all that press. Well, it was because he

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Speaker 1: was looking at he was I in the big office

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Speaker 1: in Washington. So in fifty six he goes as VP,

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Speaker 1: gets on the ticket with Adelai Stevenson, another name. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people probably don't know. He lost Big T

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Speaker 1: and to so Dick and Ike beat the pants off

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Speaker 1: of Senator Estes, Key Fable and Adela Stevenson Round his

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Speaker 1: sorrows and his molasses. Now the big winner and all

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Speaker 1: of this is publisher William Gaines and his speed habit.

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Speaker 1: Remember him. So during his speed fueled fight on Capitol

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Speaker 1: Hill he decided, you know what, this is not the

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Speaker 1: business for me, and he left comic books pretty much

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Speaker 1: like the next year and he said, to hell with

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Speaker 1: the comic books code. I can see the future. I

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Speaker 1: don't want a part of it right now. Can you

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Speaker 1: guess what he got into? Porn? Good kiss? Practically, not exactly.

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Speaker 1: He did found a new era in publishing. He became

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Speaker 1: the publisher for Mad magazine. In his new magazine, he

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Speaker 1: openly mocked all of the powers that be Washington everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And it was a wildly popular magazine for decades and

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Speaker 1: a big part of the underground culture that would come

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Speaker 1: to flourish in the sixties and the sevenies. So he

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Speaker 1: got his wish. He was still hyping the kids, and

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Speaker 1: then by then it was the teenagers, and so he

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Speaker 1: was getting them to like not go to war and

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Speaker 1: all the things. So he really was able to continue

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Speaker 1: his fight. So William Gaines kept at it. Wow, So

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Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't have Mad Magazine if it weren't for

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Speaker 1: and so that's key father. You're welcome withsable thanks to

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Speaker 1: So what's our ridiculous takeaway from today? Comic books and drugs? Dude?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. My ridiculous takeaway is that I get

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Speaker 1: so frustrated with illogical arguments like this that I just

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Speaker 1: shut down. And then also, and I know absolutely nothing

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Speaker 1: about comic books, I know, So I like telling you

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Speaker 1: this one. I was like waiting for you to be like, wait,

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Speaker 1: is the thing? And this is because you like the thing? Right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, does he even want? You? Like the Hulk? No?

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Speaker 1: I don't really. You know what I like is the

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Speaker 1: What's the Hammer Guy? Yeah? I like the funny the

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Speaker 1: funny hammer Guy movies, Funny the ones that I haven't

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Speaker 1: you only seen one of them? Yeah? So the funny

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Speaker 1: Hammer Guy movie. Yeah, the funny Hammergui movie. I pluralized

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Speaker 1: that I should not have And I think I've seen

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Speaker 1: the Robert Downey Jr's Iron Man. Yeah, that's not one

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Speaker 1: of those. The night in the metal suit guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel I like a good redemption story, so like

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Speaker 1: Robert Downey Junior's redemption story. Not iron Man, but Robert

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Speaker 1: even a personal story. I don't remember what happened in

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Speaker 1: the movie. Gwyneth Paltrow is in it, and I just

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not, no, not not into the group

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Speaker 1: nation No, but I do like funny hammers. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: so happy for you, the Senator as just keepab could

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Speaker 1: be a small pot. You'll have a news for me,

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you asked, Elizabeth. They were concerned about

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Speaker 1: comic books because they thought they were too dangerous for kids, right,

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Speaker 1: and they're worried about like, oh, they imagined all these horns, right,

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Speaker 1: So really they were afraid of their own imaginations and

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Speaker 1: that the comic book publishers were focused on making more marketable,

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Speaker 1: squeaky clean comic book heroes. Eventually, they ended up making

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Speaker 1: the world that we now have because they said these

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Speaker 1: are not good, Whereas if they let them just do

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Speaker 1: what they would have done, the market would have most

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Speaker 1: likely changed and we may not be in this comic

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Speaker 1: book drent culture we live in. So they did the

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00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: ultimate streisand effect. Where they were like complained about it

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Speaker 1: so much it took over the culture. And no thanks

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Speaker 1: Sena to Usk. Just key fall. When they're cutting funding

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00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: so that we have like falling literacy rates, we don't

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Speaker 1: have adequate education. We're not giving kids a sense of

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00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: curiosity in their schoolwork. And the one thing that they're

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Speaker 1: doing on their own time of reading, they're engaging with

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Speaker 1: they're excited about, you know, having like expanse of curiosity,

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00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: and they'll squash it. Yeah, let's let's not have them engagement.

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Speaker 1: We have to the American mind. They're malleable. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: getting all frustrating. If you have a moral panic right away,

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Speaker 1: you have failed. And I know that people are like,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean moral panic? Moral panics are essentially

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Speaker 1: a good thing. We have to have morals. That's not

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. The panic is the problem because

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Speaker 1: they're dealing with a made up problem. Because you don't

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Speaker 1: need to send it subcommittee to solve these types of problems.

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Speaker 1: That's just theater. I mean, that's just purely for senders.

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Speaker 1: Is key fall. But to run for president, right, but

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Speaker 1: if something is really a big bad monster is concerned,

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Speaker 1: it is going to threaten America, or just let's just

927
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Speaker 1: make it more personal. It's going to threaten you, right,

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Speaker 1: No one needs to work hard to scare you, because

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Speaker 1: if it is a real threat, like let's say it's fire,

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Speaker 1: all you need to do is point out the fire

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Speaker 1: and say fire, and the person knows like you have

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Speaker 1: if you have respect for a person, we know what

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Speaker 1: endangers us. Now, people like, oh, well, what about climate danger?

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Speaker 1: People are arguing about that. I'm not talking about I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about clear eminent dangers that where people are talking

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Speaker 1: about this is going to happen, And they're arguing as

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Speaker 1: if this is happening right now, They're not talking about

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Speaker 1: down the road. I'm saying, these people are talking about

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Speaker 1: panics the way they often do, and then we have

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Speaker 1: to take action right now. And when they do that,

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Speaker 1: what do we get more comic book movies because the

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Speaker 1: moral panic wasn't the problem. Yeah, they're ruining independent filmmaking.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to convince them that books are

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Speaker 1: ruining America, and we can see if we can say publishing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that can be done. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they can. Publishing is ruining publishing. I know there's

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Speaker 1: multiple problems here. I'm not a senator and I've never

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Speaker 1: played one. Anyway, that's my story for Elizabeth. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that. That was really lovely. That's

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Speaker 1: all I have for you. Well, thank you for joining us.

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