WEBVTT - Ep. 116: Spending Money to be a Better Shot with a Bow? 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.040 Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Said day, 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.599 I'm here with my good buddy, Corey Miller. I met 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.000 Corey when he owned Triple X Archery down in Oregon, 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.320 and then since then he's uh, he's moved to Montana 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.800 for the for the he ran away from Western Washington 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.240 and now works for dart and Archery Black eagl Archerie 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.839 and excited to have him on the show. To Hey, Ben, Corey, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:39.400 you know Glad. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.159 I don't know if you heard. I guess I was 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:47.080 doing my tour through the beautiful state of Oregon and Washington, 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:49.199 and I. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.840 See I was in Kansas hunt, but I've seen pictures 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.800 of the beautiful Uh people wanted your bows in the 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.040 back of your truck more than you did. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.040 Yeah, they broke my windows out and to my bows. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.000 But other than that, just reminded me why I wanted 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.880 to live in Montana and just kind of be left 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:08.720 alone out here. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:09.720 Yeah. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.640 You and then the when you came to help get 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:14.440 my boat set up. You drove it all the way 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.880 from Montana to Washington. We got it all set up 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.480 and I think we had three inches of rain that day. Yeah, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.200 it was that was That was a good reminder of 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:22.360 how much easter rain here. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:27.040 Yeah, exactly, it's just barely start a snow here, So 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.000 I'll take the snow over the rain. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.480 So no, we've you know, I I was always just, 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.840 I would say, a bow hunter. I never knew anything 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.160 about bow's. I would say, I still can't really set 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.640 my bow up. But you know, back back in the 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:43.600 old days, you would just go to the you know, 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.280 we had George here and I don't remember, do you 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.520 remember what his shop was? Originally twelve there. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:51.840 Yeah, on Jackson Highway. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.600 So I had a local or the archery House, archery 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.200 house at archery House. So you know, I grew up 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.120 as a as a right full muzzloader hunter, and so 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.440 when I got into archery, you know, you buy a 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.560 bow back then, it was pick a bow off of 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.520 the front page of the you know, the Cabello's magazine, right, 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.440 and it was mail order. I didn't know that that 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.160 wasn't the way you're supposed to do it. They would 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:14.760 really prefer if she went and bought a bow off 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.080 of their off of the rack, and so I had 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.080 to find somebody set it up. Evidently you can't just 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.200 you know, put a put a rest on everything on. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.040 And so I did that for a couple of years, 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.040 and you know, through the Internet, the explosion Internet realized 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.280 that Corey was down there at Triple X Archery, went 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.960 down there and really started I wouldn't say it became 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.240 a student, but started to pay more attention like does 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.640 this matter? Do I need to focus on this? And 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.639 Corey was the one that kind of you know, he 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.639 He's got an uncanny way of letting you know, like Jason, 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.600 spending spending this on that rest isn't going to make 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.200 you shoot more or you know, or shoot better, or 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.840 spending this much more money on a site, because in 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:51.919 my mind back then, it's like, well, obviously the better 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.080 this or that is going to make me a better shooter. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.760 And and Corey was pretty pretty uh up front, He's like, 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.200 why don't you spend more time shooting? 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:59.520 Or why don't you do this and that? 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.520 And and so that's really what I want to jump 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.760 into today a little bit is what matters, you know, 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.320 four a hunter, what matters for a target archer? What 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.400 you know when I look at a bow, You've got 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.280 your bow, then you've got your site, your rest, your stabilizer, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.639 you got your release you've got your arrows right, there's 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.680 just a few things that you could control. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.679 And Corey's always did a good job. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.280 I've been able to listen to him interact with customers, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.000 interact with people that are on his staff that aren't 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.760 on his staff, and I kind of like the way 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.639 he approaches it. So I'm excited to have you on 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.200 here and really just kind of talk through archery and 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.880 maybe reduce it down to maybe new people in archery 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.400 or people that have been in it for a long 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.400 time that maybe aren't the greatest shots or and what 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.760 really matters and what they should probably focus on more 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:44.520 so than than not. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:51.640 Yeah, you know, it's definitely most definitely learning how to 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.680 shoot a bow is top priority. And at that point, 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.840 it doesn't matter if you've got the most expensive or 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.920 the cheapest bow. If you don't know how to shoot it, 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.320 you can only shoot to your ability. And you know, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:10.320 for the most part, most of the bows today will 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.839 outshoot most of us archers. So they're that good, they're 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:20.960 that consistent. I mean, we've really pushed everything as almost 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.080 as far as we can push it. You know, cam material, 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.760 string material, riser material, you know, all that stuff has 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:34.400 gotten better and more consistent. So learning how to shoot 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:35.840 is priority. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we're gonna I'm gonna bause us 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:41.880 just for a second. I'm gonna jump into just like 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.400 three questions that I get that maybe I'm not skilled, 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.160 you know, I'm not the appropriate one to answer. So 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.960 I'm gonna jump in. This is gonna be your Penalton Whiskey, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.760 Q and A sessions. So I'm gonna throw three questions 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.200 at Kory and kind of see, you know what your opinion, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.640 and it kind of gets us, gets us into our conversation. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.799 But just some questions that I'm I'm you know, given 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.640 and maybe not the right one to answer. And number one, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.000 you know me and you do you know seminars clinics, 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.800 you know, we both we the last couple of times 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.720 we've did it, we've been at our our buddy, you know, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:16.680 Ryan Lampers, you know, his Hunt summit, and and Joel 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.400 Turner's there and he gets into this like mental side 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.440 of shooting, which I try to completely block out because 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.560 I don't want to get target panic. I'm so competitive 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.880 that I don't want to try to hit a perfect 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:29.960 circle all the time. So I've always kind of blocked 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.839 out everything Joel. I like Joel, but I've blocked out 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:34.760 everything he tries to teach because I don't want to 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.920 get inside my own head. But in your opinion, and 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.320 not as a target archer, I believe that ninety nine 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.119 percent of the people that listen to this podcast ninety 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:45.720 nine percent of people that pick up their bow or 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.839 it's just strictly bowhunters. But what should you be thinking 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.039 of as you're shooting? Should you come up with a routine, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.000 should you just be thinking about aiming your bow and 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.279 you know, squeeze your trigger like in your opinion, what 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.440 should that process be or look like for most guys? 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:04.520 Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think there is kind of 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:09.160 a bridge of target archery to hunting, you know, as 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:14.080 far as nerves of kind of getting used to shooting 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.440 amped up and a little nervous. 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:19.839 But yeah, I. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.279 Used to go through definitely a shot process, and my 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.440 main thing was for me is I just kept simple 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.000 look through the peep because so many times I'll watch 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.600 guys just draw back and anchor eyes wide open. They 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.680 forget to even look through the peep and you know, 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:40.000 they see the site housing start to fill up with 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.719 hair and they're just anking the trigger, you know, so 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:47.520 trying to keep keep a shot process, keep your mind occupied, 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:53.440 I think a little bit better. So I do believe 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.400 in both sides of you know, kind of a lot 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:01.320 of the stuff that Joel's talking about and also keeping 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.919 it simple. But ever since I've moved to Montana, me personally, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.719 like I used to shoot tournament wise, I think, you know, 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.160 very competitively and very well. When it would come to hunting, 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.720 it was a different a whole different deal for me 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.400 because of the heartbeat, and so I never felt like 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.800 I executed shots like I do on rubber animals or 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:28.640 paper targets, so beings. And I'm in Montana and I 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.840 get to shoot a lot of white tails, I think 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.880 one hundred percent, I've gotten so much better. I've gotten 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.200 so much more comfortable of putting a pin on an 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.080 animal and then going through my shot process. So unfortunately, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.000 a lot of us only get an opportunity once a 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.160 year or maybe once there a couple of years to 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.040 put the pin on the on the animals. So going 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.000 through a shot process is going to help as much 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:58.640 as it can. But experience, really, but there's just cold 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.520 boot killers, you know that can't really hit paper. But 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.600 they break the hunting thing down really simple, like like 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.960 you're more of that, Like you point to where I 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.760 need to put an arrow to kill it, and that's it, 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.280 and you don't overthink that. You just pretty much drawback 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.840 and it's got to be there and touch it off. 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.320 Yeah, And that's for me, uh, you know, and why 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.640 I try to like block out the mental game. But 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.920 we're gonna get into hunting versus target accuracy and what's required. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.840 But for me, I didn't want you know, I shoot 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.920 a matrix target and it's got a six inch hecks 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.800 in the middle, right, and I I as long as 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.240 I'm in that. And maybe I should put more pressure 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.600 on myself to be a better archer, but and. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:43.480 I do. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.640 Okay, right, I'm not the world's best archer, but I 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.040 shoot pretty good for the most part. But I've never 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.959 put enough pressure on myself to always hit dead center 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.200 of the white, you know, like a target archer would 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.040 need to have to do it twenty yards over and 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.760 over and over. Like if I'm an inch and a 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.839 half off, hey, it's okay, Like let's we'll clean that 0:08:59.920 --> 0:09:02.640 up up next time, or we'll we'll hold a little tighter, 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.680 or you know, maybe it was the thirtieth shot of 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.920 the practice session and I'm getting a little bit tired. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:12.360 And so I've really not over complicated the mental side, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.880 because I've seen people get target panic. I don't truly 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.400 understand it, but my understanding is that if I try 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.680 to overfocus on being perfect, is going to create that 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.319 because I'm going to try to force a shot and 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:24.679 I'm going to try to do these things. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.160 Yeah, exactly. I've seen so many new archers come in, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.240 get a both set up and shoot really really actually 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:35.080 really well. I mean i mean not like professional well, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.680 but I mean really well, and then a month later 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.280 they come in and they've got target panic. And it 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:46.679 seems like the majority of that is because they try 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.320 too hard. They start overthinking and like, Okay, I'm going 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.160 to get this one right in the middle, and so 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.880 they really overthink the shot process and next thing, you know, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.600 they've got the old panic. And Yeah, so sometimes just 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:06.960 being dumb as best. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.240 I'm gonna be. I'm I'm built for this archery thing. 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.240 But uh yeah, as far as like what I think 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.440 about as shooting, I'm similar to you. I've made it 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:18.880 very you know, a rigid structured thought process. So I'm 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.000 gonna draw my bow back, and I even think as 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:22.760 soon as I start to put tension on my release, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.520 like draw smood like because as a hunter, I don't 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.280 want an arrow to balance off the rest or. I 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:29.920 don't want like a hard into the valley. So I'm 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.280 already thinking like draws mood, don't let this animal see 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.480 you do this, you know, and if you took it 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.120 a step back farther like, it doesn't even have anything 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:39.760 do with a bow hunter. But I'm already thinking like 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.480 when can I draw and then making it smooth? So 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:43.480 like can I get away with drawing? 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:44.560 Now? Can I make it smooth? 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.200 And then similar to you, I used to have a 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.000 bad I would look through my peep. I've never not 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.240 looked through my peep, but I would maybe not center 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.040 the peep on the you know, I shoot a Montana 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.200 black gold. So now I make sure to to halo 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.160 my peep with my center housing. So that's a consistency thing. 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.040 I've always got my my pins completely centered in just 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.240 they just barely fit inside the peep size that I select. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.559 And then I glance down at my bubble and sometimes 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.320 me and my bubble this is where you know, things 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.120 can go a little sideways, because if you know, in 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.000 a hunting situation, if I'm on a thirty degree side hill, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.000 I'm like, I don't believe you and being able to 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.520 shoot enough with you during three D like, I'll sometimes 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.600 split it like all right, I'm way out, but I'm 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.520 going to go about halfway and then shoot what I 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.640 feel is comfortable, because shooting all the way back to 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.200 the level is completely uncomfortable. And so for me, for 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.680 my confidence and just shooting enough, I usually like do 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.360 a half bubble where I feel like it's comfortable, and 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.880 then I go into my aiming process, so I've got 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.240 everything aligned, I've got my bubble where I think it 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.240 should be, and then you know, go through my my 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.640 you know, ranging process, and a lot of times I 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.959 may not have ranged exactly where the animal is. So 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.120 now I'm back to thinking why I'm in my peep, 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.360 like is that at the same spot you've ranged, do 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.960 I need to add or take you away? And then 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.800 slowly start to squeeze my trigger. And when I say slowly, 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.800 I also which is probably frowned upon. I've also got 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.960 the ability to force my shot, which some people can 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.040 say is good or bad. But as a hunter, you know, 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.679 and talking with you Corey, like, sometimes you need to 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.959 make the bow go off. If you're doing everything else right, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.960 it's still gonna be okay. And I have practiced that way. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:28.040 But I'll also force a shot a little bit if needed. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.360 And so that's my process, whether it's right or wrong. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.160 But it's very mechanic, and you know, for all situations, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:34.920 I do the same thing over and over and over. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.160 Yeah, And I think the biggest you know, like a 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.040 lot a lot of people think, you know, just punching 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:45.240 the trigger is bad. It's not sometimes the most consistent 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.080 thing for some folks. There are definitely some of the 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.439 top shooters in the world are punchers. They command shoot. 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.520 You know. One of the best quotes that one of 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.040 those guys ever gave me was, I just got to 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.480 get the pin there. You're trying to keep it there 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.840 and which which made sense, you know, to me. But 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.120 my brain doesn't work that way. If I start commanding 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:13.080 the trigger, my aiming goes away, and so it's not 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.760 so much about me just punching the trigger, but then 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.040 I can't get the pin anywhere near the target that 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.800 I want to shoot because then I've lost all the 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.600 control on the function of the release. And so for me, 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:31.120 I have to go through a shot process on activating 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:35.040 the release, which which helps me with my aim, and 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.360 the aim is the most important thing. So if I'm 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.360 not putting a pin anywhere near there, and I'm locking low, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:44.400 and that's where the dangerous side of target panic is 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.280 is when the guy can't put the pin anywhere near 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.360 the dot, whether or not he gets it there, and 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.720 he instantly swipes it away and gets down below it 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.480 and sits there and then does the drive by shooting, 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.760 And that's when they they're they're yarding up and trying 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.120 to punch the trigger at the same time. That's when 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:06.079 command commanding the trigger is is at its worst. But 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.040 if your if your pin is there and you help 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.000 it not the end of the world. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.280 So while we're here, I was I have this question 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.120 for our discussion later, but I feel like it's a 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.880 good time to add it in because I've always been interested, 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.560 like if you took like a body turner or like 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.160 your if I could somehow equip a red light, a 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.480 laser light that we could all see, like how much 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.280 movement should a shooter because That's the thing I struggle with, 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.800 Like I'm sitting here at full draw, like trying to 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.240 pull through, and I've always I've found that the you know, 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.920 if I'm if I'm actively pulling, I'm not like a 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.840 passive shooter. But if I'm actively engaged, my pin is 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.120 dancing right from a from a five to a ten, 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:46.960 and it swings to the ten, and then we might 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.160 be low left and it might be I'm over correct 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.360 and then we're going top right and you're just kind 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.680 of hovering like I've always just assumed guys like Matt 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.080 Schmidtz or Body or guys that are good shooters, like, 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.000 is that damn pin just like sitting over the taneg 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.920 the entire time and not moving or yes, those guys 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.160 are fighting with the same demons that I do. Like, 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:06.800 is this thing's bouncing everywhere? 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.640 Well, that's the thing is we can never see what 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.640 goes inside the brain while they're aiming. So whether or 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:18.920 not a Bodie Turner or Site pictures is the same 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:23.440 as yours, No, it's not. I mean, those guys aim 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.560 extremely well, but when you look, if you were to 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.360 look through their eyes, they're still seeing movement even though 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.200 when we stand back and we watch them, we're like, man, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.640 the guy's rock solid. He's still seeing movement. The difference 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.840 is he's okay with that movement. He's learned to trust that, 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.520 where a lot of us feel like we need to 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.400 hold perfectly still and you don't, you know, because the 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.560 pin if you're staring at what you're trying to hit, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.240 you're always trying to work your way back to that box. 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.200 So it's okay if it moves. You just don't want 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.440 these big dips, big violent moves. But if it's humming 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.040 out there and it's just kind of dancing around, you'd 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.200 be amazed on how much if you just keep trusting 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.920 that process and shoot that shot, it's it's going to 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:09.440 get there. 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.680 It surprised me a little bit, and I always hated 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.680 the idea that if you're just constantly adding, you know, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.480 more back tension, you're slowly squeezing through your release. But 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.800 I'm like, what if this thinge accidentally goes off on 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.200 that like low left, you know when you're going away, 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.640 but it surprisingly does come back. But I'm more confident 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.640 in the way that I think that if I can 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.000 somehow force that to go off as we're coming back 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.200 to the center, and it's somewhat controlled. I've always got 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.000 you know, I don't know whether it's sixty seventy percent 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.560 of the pressure I need to get my release to 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.080 go off. So I'm always it's not like a huge 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.640 jerk within the shot or a huge change, it's just 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:43.560 a little bit more. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.760 Well. The one thing one thing with aiming though, too 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:48.960 is it's not only is it the setup of the 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.840 of the equipment, but it's also the setup in your 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.800 shot process. Going back to learning how to shoot a 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.960 bow is so important. Learning how to shoot a bow 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.040 is also learning how to aim a bow. And so 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.520 you will find as you start to push towards the 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:10.520 target and pull into the stops that pin can the 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:15.480 movement will will minimize, it'll it'll start to reduce traumatically, 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:22.399 you know. So if I'm pushing at you, it's like 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.360 less likely that the pen can go some other direction. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.880 If I'm going I'm pushing it forward toward the target, 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.880 And same thing with pulling. So that's that initial setting 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.879 up into the shot and how much do I build 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.760 into the back wall to get the pin to minimize 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.560 its movement. And then now you're activating the release during 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:48.160 that time. But yeah, we all move don't overthink that 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:48.639 side of it. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:54.560 So, uh, you know, as a hunter yourself in your opinion, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.600 like what should you know a shooting session look like? 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.200 Like is there an ideal one or is it different 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.359 for everybody? Or like, guy go out and shoot twenty 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.119 random arrows. You know a lot of my sessions look like, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.400 all right, we're gonna shoot five from twenty five, from 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.320 thirty five, from forty five from fifty and call a night. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.000 Like is there is there a number that like builds 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.320 better muscle memory or is there just no standard? 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.960 You know? I I part of me like the functionality 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.679 of a bow is like riding a bike to me, 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.359 I mean, I haven't rode a bike in three years. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.159 If I got on, I'm not gonna crash. I'm not 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.719 gonna fall over. It's not that hard. It's the mental 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.920 side of it, like the repetitive like looking through the site, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.840 seeing movement, trusting movement, how much movement, and activating the release. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.600 So depends on what you're trying to work on, you know, 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.719 if you're just and I think that's where a lot 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:46.159 of people make mistakes, is they they call practice the 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:50.000 amount of arrows they shoot. And if you're not practicing something. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:54.160 It's just like any other sport. If you're a wrestler, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.840 you're working on certain moves. If you're a baseball player, 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:02.240 you're working on footwork, throwing, dance, you know, movement, You're 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.240 you're breaking everything down. And it's the same thing with archerie. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.119 If you really want to get good at it, you 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.960 break down certain things and you practice those things for 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.280 those days. So depending on what you're trying to accomplish, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.720 But just shooting arrows does not make you a better archer. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.720 I just noticed, like especially when I pick up a 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.920 bow or like right now, since I'm so far away 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.600 from big game season, you know, even my white tail hunt, 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:34.520 Like I stop shooting my bow for that two months, right, 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:35.760 and then you get to the white tail rut and 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.560 you're like, oh, pins moving more. My you know, I'm 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:44.520 not as trained. You know, I'm fatigue faster. And that's 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.600 what I I'm just out there trying to you know, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.960 cause I hesitate to say this, But for me, I 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.960 shoot the same whether I pick up my boat for 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:53.640 the first time of the year, whether it's the day 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.840 before archialk season, like I don't become that much more accurate, like. 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.640 No, and typically like I start out more accurate than 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:04.119 I am because I start overthinking stuff no longer I 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.240 start shooting, you know, you know, especially like we're transitioning 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.960 into target world right now, and so usually the first 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.880 week or so, it's like, man, my expectations aren't there. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.720 So I actually shoot fairly well, and then all of 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.879 a sudden, I start thinking, Okay, I'm gonna try a 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.480