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Check it out and we hope 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: that you become a subscriber. 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: And I just love that black women are being told 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: about having the support system right, the mentors, the sponsors, 20 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 2: all of the things that for many years other people 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: had in their back pocket as a superpower. Other colleagues 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: and contemporaries. They may have been taught that, oh you 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: always want to have a work mentor and an ally 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: and a sponsor at work. But we didn't know that. 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: And I think we already have to fight and uphill 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: battle as black women in the workplace. But when we 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: have the support system, I can I tell you how 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: impactful and I don't. I'm sure you know this as well, 29 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: But my coaches have been in my life when it 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: comes to negotiation, difficult conversations at the job. I mean 31 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: that coupled with therapy, I feel like I just have 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: this incredible team and board of advisors that allows me 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: to show up and be my best self right like 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: you don't have to do it alone. It's kind of 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: what I constantly remind myself of, and I'm just so 36 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: happy that we are creating a space where black women 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: can be privy to these resources and conversations. 38 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting women 39 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: like you. We're your posts doctor Dominique Brussard, a college 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: professor and psychologist. 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: world where Black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 3: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from 44 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: fibroids to fake friends and create a safe space. 45 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 4: Where black women can just be. 46 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: Hey lady, it's Terry here from the Herspace podcast and 47 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 2: I have a question for you. Do you want to 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: start your own podcast? Have you been thinking to yourself? 49 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: You know what, I want to start a podcast, but 50 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: you just haven't taken the leap. If that's you, I 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: got you. I'm hosting a free podcasting masterclass where I'm 52 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 2: going to teach you how to create your own podcasts 53 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: from start to finish. So visit Terry Limax dot com 54 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: and click on the pink link in the middle of 55 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: your screen and register for my free podcasting masterclass. All right, lady, 56 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: Today we have a very special guest in her Space 57 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: who's going to talk to us all about finding career success. 58 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: Doctor Kimberly A. James is the founder and lead consultant 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: of The James Consultancy Group, a career consulting company that 60 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: provides individuals a path to personal and professional success. Doctor James, 61 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: also a licensed psychologist, has over twenty years of experience 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: empowering individuals and groups to recognize their strengths, create successful 63 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: action plans, and realize satisfying and dynamic lives and careers. 64 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: Doctor James has held multiple leadership roles in academia, including 65 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: an assistant dean position at Stanford University and completed leadership 66 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: training at Work in San Francisco and Leadership Houston. Doctor James, 67 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: welcome to her Space. 68 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: Thank you, and I'm so happy to be here. Thank 69 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: you very much. 70 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: We are so excited to have you. And Dom's going 71 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: to go ahead and kick it off with our quote 72 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: of the day and then we're just going to jump 73 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: right on in into this juicy conversation about finding career success. 74 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: Our quote of the day, rent your Title, Own your Character, 75 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: comes to us from to Shonda Duckett and lady, if 76 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: you have been listening to us for a while, then 77 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: you know that earlier this season, to Shonda Duckett appeared 78 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: on her Space to talk about integrating and having a 79 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: diversified portfolio. And so again that quote, rent your title, 80 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: own your Character, and we felt that this quote was 81 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: incredibly fitting for our discussion today with doctor James. So 82 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: let's dive right on in, Doctor James. 83 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: What we want to focus. 84 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: On today is about finding career success, right and when 85 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: I hear you know the quote rent your title on 86 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: your character. I come back to this piece about renting 87 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: your title. When you hear that quote, what comes up 88 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: for you in terms of the work you do with 89 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: people in their careers. 90 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 4: Wow, that's a really interesting quote. I was thinking about 91 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 4: that and processing it as you were reading it. The 92 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 4: one thing that stood out for me or came up 93 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 4: for me, is renting your title, especially as I think 94 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 4: about my own career. I've held several different titles, but 95 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: what I hope and always aspire to do no matter 96 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 4: where I'm working, what title I hold, I continue to 97 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 4: exhibit a character of authenticity to support strength again throughout. 98 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: So that's what comes up for me when I hear 99 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: that quote. But I really love that. 100 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: Doctor James. I wanted to know, can we just dive 101 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: right into what is the difference between a job and 102 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: a career because I think oftentimes people use them interchangeably, 103 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: But if we can get super clear on the difference 104 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: between the two, I think that can lead us closer 105 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: to the success in both realms. Right. I think they 106 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: both serve a purpose at some point in our lives. 107 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 4: Absolutely, the main difference as I see it, between a 108 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 4: job and career a job is your work or a 109 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 4: series of tasks that you've been hired to perform to 110 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 4: earn money to support your basic needs, whereas a career 111 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: is more of a long term professional journey. It encompasses 112 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: your ability networking, your management style or a management style 113 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: that you respond to if someone else is managing you 114 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 4: of course, and overall navigating the world of work. So 115 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 4: it's something that as I see it is all throughout 116 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: your life. A career is really going to exhibit all 117 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: of your skills and abilities, every type of training that 118 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 4: you may take in all throughout that long journey. Where's 119 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 4: a job again, it's just focusing on is this short term, 120 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 4: long term part time here the tasks that you have 121 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 4: in front of you that we've hired you to complete. 122 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: And so then when someone is within their career path, 123 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: their career trajectory, they may have multiple jobs within that career. 124 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: Absolutely, they may have multiple jobs. You know, that expresses 125 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 4: exactly where they are at any given time period in 126 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 4: their career. So someone may start off as doing something 127 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 4: that calls for a lot of very specific tasks and 128 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: they may focus on something more broader or as they're 129 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: picking up additional skills as they move throughout their career. 130 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 4: I've always thought, you know, in that career trajectory or 131 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 4: that journey, that you're always picking up people, places, and things, 132 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: and some of those things again can be training people, 133 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: mentors and sponsors, and places hopefully working at different agencies 134 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 4: or organizations. 135 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: That's so interesting just hearing you speak about the difference 136 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: between the two. It makes me think about where one's 137 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: life purpose fits into the picture, and so I just 138 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: love to hear your perspective on you know, do you 139 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: think that there is an intersection between ones like purpose 140 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: and the career or even the job that they choose. 141 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: I feel like these days it's very popular for folks 142 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: that just, you know, maybe share publicly just I'm searching 143 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: for my purpose, right, I'm trying to figure out what 144 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: I'm here for. And I think that oftentimes it'd be 145 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: ideal for that to correlate with our career or job, right, 146 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: so that you can do what you love and as 147 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: they say, it feels like you're not working right. So 148 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: what do you think about purpose and how it intersects 149 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: with career and jobs? Even? 150 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 4: I think that one that was a great question, and 151 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: I think more often in recent years I've had clients 152 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: talking about what their purpose is, Whereas in the years past, 153 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: it was like a focus on what's my aptitude, Here's 154 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 4: where I did my internship, you know, what career has 155 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 4: demand or growth potential, maybe peppering that with some assessments 156 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: to really hone in on their interests and values. But 157 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: again in recent I'm hearing more people bringing in these 158 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 4: deeper questions, what do I really enjoy? What do I value? 159 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: What type of work aligns with my value? What type 160 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 4: of lifestyle do I really want? Do I really want 161 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 4: a nine to five? And will I have impact for influence? 162 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: These seem to be poor questions that more individuals are 163 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 4: asking themselves as they are really thinking about what type 164 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: of career they would like to have, those good questions 165 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 4: to ask. 166 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: Those really are great questions. And as you were laying 167 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: out some of those questions, one of the things that 168 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: I was curious about is with the clients that you 169 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: work with. You know, I'm assuming, and so correct me. 170 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: If I'm wrong. 171 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: That you work with clients from executive levels, So like 172 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: CEO VPS. 173 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: Two. 174 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: College students who are trying to figure out what career 175 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: trajectory they want to take, and so do you see 176 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: a difference at each career level in what people are 177 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: saying their purpose needs to be or what their values are. 178 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 4: Sure not to stereotype or you know, all levels in 179 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 4: the same basket, but you do see some things whereas 180 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: the college student may be may at times be more 181 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 4: open to exploration and looking at you know, they haven't 182 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 4: started on that career path yet, so they're looking at 183 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 4: merging different interests where depending course on the age of 184 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: the executive or manager that I've worked with, possibly when 185 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: they were going through their academic careers and internships and 186 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 4: thinking about what they wanted to do, things weren't as 187 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: open as merging, like can I be an architect and 188 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 4: merge that with biology? Possibly at that time those things 189 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 4: were not discussed in the same way. Also with different 190 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: demands as we get older, as we move up the 191 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: career ladder, sometimes maybe I'm going to move to Italy 192 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: for this internship because i really want to change my 193 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: career because I've been thinking about what my value really is. 194 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's not as easy for some than others. So 195 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 4: sometimes a lot of my work is hopefully helping whoever 196 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 4: is sitting before me to change their lens a little 197 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 4: bit and look at what the possibilities are and to 198 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: see how that can fit into their lives. Because sometimes 199 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 4: I have noticed those out in the working world for 200 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 4: a long time, possibly in the same organization for a while. 201 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 4: It may be a little challenging to see how they 202 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 4: can break out of that and do something a little differently. 203 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: And that's where I come into picture, so to speak, 204 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 4: to really encourage them and help them to say, oh, 205 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 4: wait a minute, this is something I can do. This 206 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 4: is possible. There are lots of different avenues to reach 207 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 4: a certain goal, and I just want to make sure 208 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 4: that all my clients have access to those avenues so 209 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 4: they can make an informed decision. 210 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: I think that many of us probably either have been 211 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: here or we know people who are in jobs or 212 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: careers that are not very fulfilling. They don't necessarily like 213 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: going to work every day, are not having good experiences 214 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: where they are currently doing work or where they are employed. 215 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: But doctor James, it seems like you have found a 216 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: career path that is fulfilling for you and that excites you, 217 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: and so I'd love to know if this is applicable. Right, 218 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,119 Speaker 2: Can you walk us through experience or just a situation 219 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 2: in life, or maybe even like a thought process or 220 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: something that led you to this career that you have 221 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: of really just empowering others to find career success and 222 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 2: move through whatever career or professional journey they're on. Was 223 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: there like a moment for you or an experience or 224 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: was it like a culmination? And if so, can you 225 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: just kind of block us through what that experience was like? 226 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: Sure, I think it was a culmination of different events 227 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 4: and experiences. And first and foremost, just to go all 228 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 4: the way back, just want to give honor to my 229 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: father who's no longer with us. He was an hr guy, 230 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: you know. So I kind of grew up at the 231 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: dinner table, so to speak, talking about careers, talking about 232 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: the world of work, and hearing about here are the rules, 233 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: and here are some rules that may not be taught 234 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: to you, they may not be published in a book, 235 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: and here are some things you need to know as 236 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 4: you're navigating your own career. So, as mentioned in my intro, 237 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 4: I am a licensed psychologist. So I was always committed 238 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 4: to and dedicated to supporting others through challenges. But what 239 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: I started to see through my own career was how 240 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 4: some people seen and in a way I almost hate 241 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 4: to use this term because sometimes it turns people off. 242 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: But I saw up close and personal how some people 243 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 4: really knew how to play the game and get ahead 244 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 4: in the world of work and others did not. And 245 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: in that in collecting stories and also in my work 246 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: as a psychologist, I was often supervising future psychologists and 247 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 4: feeding them some of these rules, so to speak, and 248 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 4: things to look out for so they wouldn't fall into 249 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 4: some of those unfortunate circumstances that I saw happening around 250 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 4: me at different positions that I held. So it kind 251 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: of all came together with that. And often we want 252 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 4: to give back to our community. That's very important to me, 253 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: And in that giving back is to say, hey, you're 254 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 4: walking towards this really big sinkhole, and I'm here not 255 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 4: just to tell you, hey, go forth and be this 256 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 4: great psychologist or whatever you choose to do after you 257 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 4: finish this degree, but to make sure that you're able 258 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: to read those signs. They could be blaring for me, 259 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: but for someone who's just not in the habit of 260 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 4: looking for certain things, they may be oblivious to that. 261 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 4: So again I think throughout the years in actually you know, 262 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: I say boots on the ground really one on one 263 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 4: supervising future professionals. It just kind of came to a 264 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 4: head to say, you know, I think I'm good at this. 265 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: I really like to take it to the next level 266 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 4: and help others because I've seen, unfortunately just some people 267 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 4: just torpedo their careers because they just didn't know what 268 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 4: the rules are or how to again play the game. 269 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: That's so interesting. It sounds like a lot of people 270 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: that are on I would say that are living a 271 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: fulfilled life or have a fulfilling career often find that 272 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: place by way of either a painful experience, some type 273 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: of realization, or wanting to give back. So I think 274 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: that could be telling to any of our listeners where 275 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: it's like you may be in a place now where 276 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: it isn't ideal, but if you kind of look around 277 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: and think, Okay, what can I change or how can 278 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: I make this better for someone else? It sounds like 279 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: that was something that was key for your journey, doctor James. 280 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: And so when you think about a takeaway that you 281 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: wish all black women knew about thriving in their career, 282 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 2: it sounds like you have years of the family dinner 283 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: talk that you can refer to in addition to your 284 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: professional experience, can you talk about some of the things 285 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: that you just wish that black women knew about how 286 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: they can thrive in their career. 287 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I wish that all black women knew how to 288 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 4: strategically manage their career. Now, of course, what is that 289 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 4: and where do I start? Where do I sign up? 290 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 4: That really includes, you know, goal setting, managing your tasks, 291 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 4: successfully securing a mentor. Hear that a lot, but also 292 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 4: a sponsor. And I think a lot of folks out there, 293 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 4: you know, from whatever background, but I have found in 294 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 4: working with a lot of black women sometimes they're not 295 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 4: getting the same messages as their classmates. So you're hearing 296 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 4: more and more about really making sure you're securing a sponsor. 297 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 4: But for me, it's been more recent. So just to 298 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 4: get into that just a little bit. A mentor is 299 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 4: someone that can help guide you, support you, help you ward. 300 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: It's some pitfalls in your career and we all need that. 301 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: That is just wonderful to have a really great mentor. 302 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: And I will say this too for black women, that 303 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 4: mentor does not have to be a black woman. Sometimes 304 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 4: your mentor is going to come in and wrapped in 305 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 4: a different package, so to speak. They're going to come 306 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 4: from a different culture and they can be just as 307 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 4: valuable to you, or get both, you know, if it's 308 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: something you really want. I really want a black female. 309 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 4: I really want another black woman to be a mentor. 310 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 4: But I would really encourage, as I always do, get 311 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 4: another mentor who is from a different culture to challenge 312 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 4: yourself and guide you, possibly in a different way that 313 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: you haven't thought about. That I think is really critical. 314 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 4: But to get back to the mentor and the sponsor. 315 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 4: The sponsor is someone in your work environment that behind 316 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: closed doors, is going to be singing your praises. We 317 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 4: have to have that. We have to have that that 318 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 4: does not minimize the wonderful skill set that you bring, 319 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 4: the hard work that you're doing. But everybody, and I'm 320 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 4: not saying just because we're black women, I'm saying, in 321 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 4: addition to everybody needs a mentor and a sponsor. Sometimes 322 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 4: that mentor may not even work at your job or 323 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 4: place of employment. But the sponsor is someone right there 324 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 4: that knows your work intimately and is really your best cheerleader. 325 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 4: When you're not in the room, you're not in that 326 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 4: boardroom and someone is talking you up. 327 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes your mentor and sponsor can be the same person. 328 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 2: And so, in. 329 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: Full disclosure, if you're lucky, right, I do want to 330 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: acknowledge that doctor James, we know each other because you 331 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: were my supervisor slash mentor slash sponsor during my postdoc. 332 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: I completely wholeheartedly agreed that it is so important to 333 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: have someone on the ground in that same space as 334 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: you who really can sing your praises. 335 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: I love that you said that, Domina. I love that 336 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: you called out and shouted out doctor James for the 337 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 2: awesome work that she's done with you. And the thing is, 338 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 2: I want to know, have you ladies ever heard this, 339 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: because I think that maybe it's like a I don't know, 340 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: it feels like a younger sort of immature mindset, but 341 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: I think it's something that many of us have either 342 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: heard or maybe have had ourselves. But there's this idea 343 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 2: that I remember hearing about when I was younger and 344 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: also at some stages kind of adopting as I was 345 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: figuring out who I am, where it was like, oh, 346 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 2: I don't like people, And I often hear that a 347 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: lot like oh I don't like people. I don't like 348 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 2: the network. I don't like people. But based on what 349 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: you were saying, doctor James, it sounds like you know, 350 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: we often hear your network determines your net worth. So 351 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 2: having a diverse you know, whether you want to call 352 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: it a board of directors, right or a sponsor and 353 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: mentorship partnership, that stuff is important and being engaged with 354 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: people it's going to help you achieve that career success, 355 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: right because people are going to be the one that's 356 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 2: hiring you. So have either if you ever heard that 357 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: sort of notion of oh I don't like people, I 358 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: don't work well with people, anything like that, oh. 359 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 4: I definitely have heard that. And my response is that 360 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 4: we got to figure out how you can get there. 361 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 4: We have to because just for the reasons that you outline, 362 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 4: because people are going to be working around you most likely. 363 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 4: I know, the world of workers has changed, you know, 364 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 4: and it continues to evolve as a lot of us 365 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 4: are working from home, but people are going to be 366 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 4: hiring you, hopefully mentoring you, sponsoring you behind closed doors. 367 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: So I work really hard with clients to say, Okay, 368 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 4: I hear you, but let's talk about how you can 369 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 4: get even a little bit towards the middle. I'm not 370 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 4: looking for I love people now, but yet, what else 371 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 4: can we focus in on, you know, so you can 372 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 4: get to the point where it's not something that turns 373 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 4: you off so much and then in turn turns you 374 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: out from employment and great opportunities. 375 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: Wow, that is on point. And maybe it's a matter 376 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: of I don't like certain people and maybe what type 377 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: of people do I want in my circle and in 378 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: my life, and that way you can draw in those people. 379 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: But I'm glad that you share that because I know 380 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: that that's been something I've heard before, and Dom, I 381 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: just want to know if you've heard that and kind 382 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: of get your perspective as well. 383 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: Yes, I have heard that as well, and I think 384 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: when I hear that, I think it's often coming from 385 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: a place of maybe some social anxiety or maybe some 386 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: fear around putting yourself out there. And because when you 387 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: put yourself out there to network like that involves some 388 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: level of vulnerability, and that involves some level of risks. 389 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: And I love what doctor James said about getting to 390 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: the root of like, Okay, how can we get you 391 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: to a space where you feel comfortable to engage with people? 392 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: Because the reality is in order for you to take 393 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: that next step, you will have to network and you 394 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: will have to kind of play the game. And so 395 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: I want to kind of go back to this notion 396 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: of playing the game, because I think that a lot 397 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: of what we've been talking about so far really is 398 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: like part of that game. And so, Doctor James, when 399 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: you mention the term like playing the game, what are 400 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: some concrete tips that you would give to people in 401 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: terms of being able to truly arrive in their career 402 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: by playing the. 403 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 4: Game absolutely again, building that strong foundation. Of course, doing 404 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 4: your best work, securing that mentor and sponsor and some 405 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 4: allies in the office. You need people to connect with 406 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 4: and to support you as you will be supporting them. 407 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: So it's very. 408 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 4: Important to have allies improving the job that you have. 409 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 4: If you feel I really like this job that I'm in, 410 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 4: I think this is a great step for me right 411 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 4: now through my career trajectory, then you really want to 412 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 4: think about assessing your skills, and that could be anything 413 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 4: from taking actual assessments, but also really staying informed about 414 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 4: your field, being active in professional organizations, volunteering for different 415 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 4: opportunities in the workplace, and taking any type of training 416 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 4: or courses to really up your gate, so to speak, 417 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 4: to make you even more attractive, because what you're going 418 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: to be doing is thinking about what that next step is, 419 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 4: so it will fall into place, hopefully pretty easily, of 420 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 4: what type of training that you would like to sign 421 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 4: up for or engage in to get you to that 422 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 4: next step. So those are the kind of things that 423 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 4: come to mind for me, of course, always anytime I 424 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 4: have a chance to say, it's self care. Take care 425 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 4: of yourself through this. You can't be all work, work, work, work. 426 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 4: It has to be some play and rest and relaxation 427 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 4: and community and connection. So you want to make sure 428 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 4: that you're taking time just for you and your interests 429 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 4: away from work, and it makes you a much more 430 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 4: interesting person when you go to work. You have something 431 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 4: to talk about, right, So what did you do this weekend? Well? Work, 432 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 4: you can't be that way. Say what you as well 433 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 4: rounded as possible. But very quickly, just going back to 434 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 4: some of the things that came up for me when 435 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about what message you I really want to 436 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: give to black women about strategically managing their career. This 437 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 4: is something that's come up now. Again, I would not 438 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 4: be where I am without family and friends, I wouldn't period. 439 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 4: But sometimes family and friends are not always in the 440 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: best position to help us make career decisions or changes 441 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 4: in our career. And this conser yes, and this can 442 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 4: be a bit of a sensitive topic, and I understand. 443 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,239 Speaker 4: So I'm not here to say, you know, Dad was 444 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 4: wrong or Mom, what was she thinking? You know, that's 445 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 4: not my role. But yet that's why I heavily encourage 446 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 4: clients around gaining that mentor and that sponsor, someone that 447 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 4: knows your feel it could be also someone that doesn't 448 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 4: from a different field. They can really give you a 449 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 4: different view on what your next steps could be that 450 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 4: are just so unique and valuable that you wouldn't get 451 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 4: if you're always talking to people that do something very 452 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 4: similar to what you are engaged in at work. So 453 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 4: that's something that came up to me. And the last 454 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 4: thing I'll say too, is not to view opsles or 455 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 4: small setbacks as insurmountable and then shutting down. This is 456 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 4: something that I've seen throughout my career, and when we 457 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 4: talk about playing the game, I'm not here to say 458 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 4: you can never be emotional. Too emotional. It's a little 459 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 4: subjective here and there, sometimes not, but yet when things 460 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 4: come your way, didn't feel good, didn't feel right, that's 461 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 4: what that mentor is for, to go and discuss that 462 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 4: with them. Don't feel well, I got this, you know, evaluation. 463 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 4: A couple of points were on there that didn't make 464 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 4: me feel great. Okay, but don't shut down. Ask yourself, 465 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 4: given this information, given this feedback, given this incident, how 466 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 4: can I turn this around strategically so I can continue 467 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 4: to move forward in my career. Too often I've seen 468 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 4: black women and others just shut down behind it because 469 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 4: emotionally it's painful, it's hurtful, or they weren't prepared for it, 470 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 4: so they're not quite sure what to do. So those 471 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 4: are the things that really stand out for me when 472 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 4: I think about what messages I really wanted to give 473 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 4: to black women. Do not shut down and allow any 474 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 4: type of feedback or set back. Really just stop you 475 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: in your tracks. That's not the end, maybe just the beginning. 476 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 4: May have you looking at yourself in a whole unique way. 477 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 4: That's going to be quite an asset, whether to your 478 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 4: current position or the next one. 479 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: That was so powerful, doctor James, and I think that 480 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: was spot on, and it sounds like The most important 481 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: advice if we're kind of pulling in everything that we've discussed, 482 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: is having a strategy and seeing the long term game. 483 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: Right. 484 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: It's not necessarily about oh I'm going to make this 485 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: much money or oh I get this cool office, but 486 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, what is my long game and who's 487 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 2: my support system? Those sound like the sort of two 488 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: focal points when it comes to finding career success. Is 489 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: really having that long term game your goals right, because 490 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: you have to define what does career success mean to me? 491 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: Right? 492 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: What does career success mean to me? And then who's 493 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: my support system? And as I'm sure all of us 494 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: have been aware of, you know, during the pandemic, a 495 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: lot of people have been furloughed or lost their jobs. 496 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: So what advice would you give those people that are 497 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: contemplating a career change or looking defined any employment. Is 498 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: there an additional step or something that you haven't mentioned 499 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: already that you would definitely want to share with those folks. 500 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 4: I'm not sure about new ones, but I would stress 501 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 4: again self care is a must because that can be 502 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 4: a very big blow to people emotionally. And again, what 503 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 4: happens is a lot of people end up shutting down 504 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 4: because they're embarrassed, they're filled with shame, they're angry, they're worried, 505 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 4: you know, and I can go on and on. So 506 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 4: because of the emotional response that people often have if 507 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 4: they're furloughed or with any type of job loss, self 508 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 4: care is a must. You have to take care of 509 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 4: yourself to the best of your ability. Now I'm not 510 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 4: saying jump over working through your emotions, but yet you 511 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 4: have to integrate that self care, walking, listening to soothing music, 512 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 4: you know, whatever does it for you, and especially rest 513 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 4: that is critical. So I just wanted to underscore that. 514 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 4: Another thing is just asking for help from your network, 515 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 4: not just your tight network, but your broader professional network. Again, 516 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 4: I see a lot of clients who just want to hide, 517 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 4: They want to hide the fact that they were laid 518 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 4: off furload and they have this job loss that they're 519 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 4: dealing with, and they just kind of want to move 520 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 4: on as quickly as possible. And I think it's very 521 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 4: important to let people know. It's up to you what 522 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 4: you share with them. You don't have to get into 523 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 4: every single detail with every person you connect with, but 524 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 4: it's very important to let your broader network know you're 525 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 4: back out there, you're looking for a new position. If 526 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 4: they happen to see anything, please let me know something 527 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 4: matches up with my skill set, because of course you're 528 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 4: going to have your LinkedIn profile up today, so something 529 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 4: looks really aligned with my skill set. And if they 530 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 4: happen to know you more on a personal level as well, 531 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 4: and they know how you like to work, you want 532 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 4: them to keep you in mind as they are going 533 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 4: to work and hearing about different opportunities that are coming up. 534 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 4: A lot of people and I'm not shunning this, I 535 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 4: think it's great to go online search for positions. A 536 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 4: lot of people secure great positions with that method. Yet 537 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 4: most positions are found through people that we know. So 538 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 4: you need to let the people you know know that 539 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 4: you are looking and you're on the market and hopefully 540 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 4: that can lead to some great opportunities. And again, staying 541 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 4: active in professional organizations. Of course, people get very busy. 542 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 4: Sometimes they kind of let that go as they have 543 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 4: other responsibilities in life. But you have to stay somewhat 544 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 4: active in these professional organizations because I think those are 545 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 4: great go tos for Hey, what's coming down the pike 546 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 4: for this profession? What are some of the new positions, 547 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 4: How are the new positions being written and thought about? 548 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 4: How is AI going to be impacting my career? You 549 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 4: want to stay active and in communication with others in 550 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 4: those organizations so you can hopefully hit the ground running 551 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 4: different mixers, networking events, and again letting those folks know 552 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 4: I am looking for a position. 553 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: That is a really good point. There's nothing to be 554 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: embarrassed about. And again going back to the support system 555 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: and the people. Your network is so key. Yeah, thank 556 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 2: you so much for sharing, Doctor James. 557 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: And I think my takeaway from that is that part 558 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: of reaching out to that network and updating your profile 559 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: on LinkedIn and just being open to what may come 560 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: your way. In that openness, I wonder what it's like 561 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: to totally shift in career trajectory, Like how possible is that? 562 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: Like would you recommend someone to do that during this 563 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: time during the pandemic. 564 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 4: Well, that's a great question, And can I wiggle out 565 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 4: of it by saying it depends? It really depends. It 566 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 4: depends on the person, It depends on what they're looking 567 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 4: for and ultimately how risk aversive they are. So some people, 568 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 4: when you say totally shift that they're they're shutting down. 569 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 4: As soon as they're going to hear this, they're like, 570 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 4: what totally shift? 571 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 5: Like that? 572 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 4: That's a bit much for some people. So for a 573 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 4: shift that someone is interested in making for some because 574 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 4: they cannot really sit with a lot of major change 575 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 4: right away, we may break it down into different pieces 576 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 4: and parts, something more digestible, so to speak, for them, 577 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 4: so it doesn't feel like, oh my gosh, the room 578 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 4: is spinning, I don't even know what I'm doing. I've 579 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 4: taken on too much. It's too much change too soon. 580 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 4: But overall, is this a time? I think this is 581 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 4: a great time to make a shift, if that's something 582 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 4: you really want to do. And I would just say, 583 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 4: you know, when I was thinking about well, you know, 584 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 4: lots of different things around the world of work and 585 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 4: about people really coming to that decision, I think I 586 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 4: do want to change. I think I'm ready to leave. 587 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 4: Whether they're not feeling value, the company, organization is thinking, 588 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 4: their job keeps changing, it's like, okay, I'm doing what now, 589 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 4: Like it's always changing. Your supervisor, director, managers not communicating 590 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 4: with you anymore. You get the silent treatment, you become bored, 591 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 4: or the stress is just too high. Whatever the reason, is. 592 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 4: I would just caution people to plan your exit as 593 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 4: wisely as possible. Now, there's some of us that can 594 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 4: just say I'm out, I'm done, and they're comfortable in 595 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 4: that space, and they will use the time wisely and 596 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 4: effectively to start the search after they have left a position. 597 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 4: Then there are those folks who are that's just too 598 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 4: much again, too soon. So you want to again stratgize 599 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 4: your exit, know your numbers, your benefits, your monthly expensive 600 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 4: retirement again, update your resume, LinkedIn profile, make a list 601 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 4: of possible employers. You know, some people really need those 602 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 4: lists and step by step processings to really make that change. 603 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 4: And neither one is right or wrong. It's just a 604 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 4: matter of what works for you. 605 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 2: As the best advice. I feel like we should do 606 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 2: a quick mic drop doctor James, because that was just 607 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 2: so encouraging for food. 608 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 4: Thank you. 609 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 2: Yes, that may be in that position, because I just 610 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 2: want to say, I think as you were speaking, I 611 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 2: was thinking back to a time when I got fired 612 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 2: and I was devastated. I mean, I was in college 613 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 2: at the time and it was a university job, but 614 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 2: I was so embarrassed and I feel like my sort 615 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: of go to I want to say action was to 616 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 2: just kind of go into solitude and just like hide 617 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 2: out because I was just so embarrassed. But I think 618 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 2: that you just offer some really great advice. Yes, you 619 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: want to process your emotions, but also taking action, you know, 620 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 2: is key, and there's not a one size fits all, right, 621 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 2: so it's all about just kind of figuring out what's 622 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 2: best for you. That was beautifully stated, Doctor James. Thank 623 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: you so much. You dropped a lot of gems this episode. 624 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: So many, and you know, I'm so glad that you 625 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: shared so many of these gyms because in our conversations, 626 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: these are things that you've shared with me along the 627 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: way and have really helped me to grow in my 628 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: career and truly helped guide me in some of the 629 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: difficult career decisions that I've made because you shared these gyms. 630 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that so many other people are 631 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: going to hear these gems me too. 632 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 4: I'm very excited. I'm always here to help. You know, 633 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 4: I can talk about this topic all day, but I'm 634 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 4: really happy to be here and share a lot of 635 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 4: this information because again, throughout the years and watching people 636 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 4: really make some missteps, and often it's because of the 637 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 4: lack of information. They just didn't know. So I'm on 638 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 4: the side of helping people find out so they can 639 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 4: make their decisions and then act strategically in their careers. 640 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 2: I feel like this is such a full circle moment 641 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 2: for you too. I'm just kind of listening, just kind 642 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 2: of like fanning out over here, like, oh, this is 643 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 2: so cute. I wish we could be together, so we 644 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 2: could do a group hug. I know, right, like group hug. 645 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,919 Speaker 2: We got dropped the mic, we got the group hug. 646 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 2: But you know, this is a good time right now, 647 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: doctor James, to just shift up the energy on the podcast, 648 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 2: and lady, if you are a faithful listener, you know 649 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 2: what's coming up. Okay. So, because we recognize, appreciate, and 650 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 2: celebrate the multifaceted woman and believe that it's okay to 651 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 2: be classy and ratchet and you can still be elegant 652 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 2: and dance to strip club music, Doctor James, we want 653 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 2: to invite you to the oh you clatch it segment? 654 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 2: So do you take on the challenge? 655 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 4: I think I will. 656 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 5: Yes. 657 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear that we definitely support boundary setting, 658 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 2: but we haven't had anyone say no just yet. They've 659 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 2: been curious. But you kind of answered our first question, 660 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 2: which was what topic can you talk about all day? 661 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 2: And I think we have the answer to that. So 662 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 2: I guess what we'll do is we'll switch it up 663 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 2: a little bit and we'd love for you to tell 664 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 2: us what is your guilty pleasure? 665 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 4: Oh, guilty pleasure probably a tie between nice Netflix Sunday 666 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 4: and chocolate chip cookies. There you go. 667 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 2: You are a woman after my own heart, doctor James. Yes, Yes, 668 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 2: that's it. We're Sunday at right now. Okay, here, Grass, 669 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 2: that sounds amazing. 670 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 4: Let's fast forward a couple of days. 671 00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 672 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: Next question, which song gets you to the dance floor 673 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: at the club or party or you know, wedding reception? 674 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: But what song gets you on the dance floor? 675 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 4: It never fails, Flashlight never failed, Parliament, I can't go wrong. 676 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Okay, now I love it. Now. 677 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna follow up to that question. Now, Flashlight, I 678 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: don't know if you could work to that one, but 679 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask anyway, work or two step which is 680 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 1: your preference? 681 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 4: He definitely would be the well, neither, but two step, 682 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 4: there's no career consulting. 683 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 2: That's a good song. But two step two you can 684 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 2: two step to Flashlight for sure. I love it. And 685 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 2: doctor James, you think about how you want to be remembered. 686 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 2: How would you like to be remembered? When you think 687 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 2: about your legacy, the work that you've done, your career, 688 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 2: the impact that you've had so far, when people think 689 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 2: about you, how do you want them to remember you? 690 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 4: Oh, that is a wonderful question. What comes to mind 691 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 4: is really being that great mentor sponsor, therapist, consultant. Ultimately, 692 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 4: all of those roles, no matter what hat I'm wearing, 693 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 4: is someone who was there to support and guide someone else, 694 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 4: someone that loved to help others. 695 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: That's beautiful, A true therapist. 696 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 2: It was just like all. 697 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: Doctor James, thank you, thank you so so much for 698 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 1: agreeing to be on the her Space podcast with us today. 699 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for having me. This was so 700 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 4: much fun, and again this is new for me and 701 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 4: I really had a great time and I know I'll 702 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 4: be reaching your listeners and people that otherwise I never 703 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 4: would have been able to connect with. So again I'm 704 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,479 Speaker 4: here to support others and I want everyone out there 705 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 4: to have an enjoyable career. And hey, one thing we 706 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 4: didn't talk about is when you're ready to go, if 707 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 4: it's not so enjoyable, how to make that change strategically. 708 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 4: So thank you so much for this opportunity. 709 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 2: Yes, you're so welcome, doctor James, and we'd love to 710 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 2: know where should our listeners find you if they want 711 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 2: to connect with you online, if they want to book 712 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 2: a session with you, or learn all about your services 713 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 2: and offerings. Where can they find you online? 714 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely www dot Jamesconsultancygroup dot com. 715 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 2: Awesome and we'll be sure to add that link in 716 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 2: our show notes for you, lady. 717 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you. 718 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 5: Hey, lady, it's doctor Dom here from the Herspace Podcast. 719 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,879 Speaker 5: Do you have a burning question you're dying to get 720 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 5: feedback on? Do you want an unbiased perspective on a 721 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 5: situation you're facing? If so, visit herspacepodcast dot com and 722 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 5: click ask doctor Dom under the start here option. 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