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Speaker 2: I was not the fullness of me until I got

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Speaker 1: We are so excited for today's conversation. If you live

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Speaker 1: in the States, I'm gonna just say this, you know

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Speaker 1: what's up, Okay. Many of us are trying to get

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Speaker 1: the hell up out of here, and that's why it

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Speaker 1: is a must that we bring you this informative conversation

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Speaker 1: with the founders of Exodus Summit. Rashida daw was a

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Speaker 1: burned out lawyer for high pressure tech companies who retired

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Speaker 1: at age thirty nine. She's now in love with her

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Speaker 1: expat life in Mexico City, her favorite city in the world.

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Speaker 1: Then we have Stephanie Perry, who quit her job as

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Speaker 1: a hospital pharmacy technician to travel the world for one

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Speaker 1: year and guess what, y'all, she never turned back. She's

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Speaker 1: been a house sitting nomad since twenty fifteen. So Exodus

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Speaker 1: Summit hosts virtual and live events and workshops that show

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Speaker 1: black women ways to plan their exodus, all while fostering community.

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Speaker 1: The Exodus Summit community is now twenty six thousand plus

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Speaker 1: black women strong, and their signature event is the annual

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Speaker 1: Virtual Summit, where Black Women's speakers teach Exodus Summit attendees

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Speaker 1: specific strategies to make their own move abroad money. And

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Speaker 1: if you're tuned in before October thirteenth, twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: you're in luck because the Virtual Summit is coming up

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Speaker 1: October tenth through the thirteenth, so there's still time to register.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie and Rashido welcome to cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, friends. We're super excited.

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Speaker 3: We we are too, all right, So since we are all

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Speaker 3: really excited about this conversation, let's dive into our quote

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Speaker 3: of the day, all right, Stephanie and Rashida. This quote

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Speaker 3: will sound familiar to you all because this is from

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Speaker 3: your website. Money shouldn't be the reason you stay all right,

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say that one more time for the

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Speaker 3: when I hear that quote, I know that that could

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Speaker 3: be applied to so many different life circumstances, but specifically

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Speaker 3: thinking about moving away becoming an expect what does that

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Speaker 6: For us here? We've been talking to black women who

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Speaker 6: want to move abroad for six seven years now, and

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Speaker 6: we hear a lot of reasons that some people can't

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Speaker 4: But this year we're.

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Speaker 6: Really focusing on why money shouldn't. Money isn't money's a reason, right,

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Speaker 6: But if you want to get around the money, how

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Speaker 4: We've really been I'm solving.

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Speaker 6: With our community for the past six years of helping

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Speaker 6: If you're if you feel like doctor Dom, I can't

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Speaker 6: doctor Dom's why? And this year we're working on tackling

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Speaker 6: the money issue, because even though it's not as much

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Speaker 2: The United States is really good at telling you that

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Speaker 2: It's normal for people inside of the United States to

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Speaker 2: don't have a job right where it is. Actually the

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Speaker 2: have an idea really what universal health care is. It's

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Speaker 2: a real thing to us, it's a term. To other people,

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Speaker 2: it's really how they live their lives. But inside the

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Speaker 2: that's not right for you, and absolutely definitely in a

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Speaker 4: We absolutely do not believe that at all.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you two sharing that because as you as

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Speaker 1: I can't move because of this and that, But it's

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Speaker 1: so in getting started with something new, it can be

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Speaker 1: we kind of cover for your origin story slightly in

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Speaker 2: Rashida and I both quit or left jobs to travel

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Speaker 5: Connected the two of us. We reached out to each other.

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Speaker 2: Rashida had me on her YouTube channel as a guest,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, she gets it, this lady, she

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Speaker 2: gets it. Now we're friends, right, I don't care what

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Speaker 2: you thought. This was supposed to be a one time conversation.

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Speaker 2: Now we're friends. Listen, Terry doctor Dom be prepared, because

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Speaker 2: that's kind of how we move. We became friends and

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Speaker 2: we were just sharing out in the world our own

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Speaker 2: And that became a business. But it started out just

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Speaker 2: being two women who had the same had a very

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Speaker 4: It is actually possible.

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Speaker 2: If Rashida and I are telling you, you may think,

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Speaker 2: also hear from black women who have partners, who have children,

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Speaker 2: Right when you hear from a whole gang of black women,

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Speaker 2: So this became a business because we wanted to make

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Speaker 4: This isn't for me.

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Speaker 6: Actually, I want to add one more point. It became

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Speaker 6: twenty nineteen and we were like no, no, And then,

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Speaker 6: whatever that forward looks like. In twenty twenty, Stephanie came

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Speaker 4: And was like, what if we did it online?

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Speaker 6: And we've been doing it online ever since and it's

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Speaker 6: really been a joy for me. First, I'm talking for

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Speaker 6: but in seeing the possibility, models from Exodus of It

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Speaker 4: It's something that they can do.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm already. I'm already loving what you all are sharing.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that you all mentioned earlier

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Speaker 7: So can you.

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Speaker 3: Tell us, like when you all first moved abroad, what

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Speaker 3: Shock of Okay, this is what they would America try

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Speaker 6: It's not a surprise, but like it doesn't really click

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Speaker 6: You know, I live in Oakland, I've in a lot

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Speaker 6: of places where you know, but it's not like it's Africa, right,

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Speaker 6: It's not like it's it's the Caribbean where anything could happen.

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Speaker 6: Not Mexico, where I live now anything could happen. But

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Speaker 6: in places where it's like, oh no, the police don't

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Speaker 6: that that rewired my brain. And I'm not saying it

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Speaker 6: doesn't happen in other countries. I'm saying I don't live

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: I have recovered from that constant stress of like will

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Speaker 4: You hear people sometimes.

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Speaker 6: Yes, fit with their little trolley lines and their hot dogs,

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Speaker 4: We will get disappeared.

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Speaker 6: Oh, we will end up on a work farm somewhere

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Speaker 4: No, That's why I.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: People have extended themselves to me over and over again

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Speaker 5: I've people take good care of me around the world,

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Speaker 4: That lie again.

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Speaker 1: It's so powerful and the way you I'm still sitting

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Speaker 1: to have some more reprogramming. That's so incredible. I appreciate

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Speaker 4: Is here?

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Speaker 6: Engaged all her business in the streets, engaged Mexican man

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Speaker 4: I saw them this weekend. I saw I saw.

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Speaker 4: Life has ever been.

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Speaker 3: Encouraging and oh my gosh, I mean that's that's such

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Speaker 4: This is the right decision, right.

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Speaker 3: And so can you talk to us about what is

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Speaker 2: Understand that their job and their environment is killing them, right,

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Speaker 4: Work that you.

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Speaker 2: Behind will it will heal you from healing work for you.

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Speaker 2: Navigating health care in another country is generally so simple

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Speaker 2: In the United States, have are healthcare associated to our jobs,

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Speaker 5: Operate like that.

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Speaker 2: Your health care is not associated with your job. You

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Speaker 2: like their social security system. Not to sound like toot

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Speaker 2: in France's horn, but you can show up to France

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Speaker 4: There are other.

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Speaker 2: Places where you're not necessarily enrolled in the system, but

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Speaker 4: Get everything done.

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Speaker 2: Okay, whenmen go to Mexico and they're like, let me

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Speaker 2: get my well women's exam, let me get the whatever.

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Speaker 2: They're women in our community who went to Lumpur in February.

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Speaker 2: We had we hosted a meet up in Vietnam, and

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Speaker 2: For four hundred and some dollars. They got a full

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Speaker 4: We just don't.

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Speaker 2: Believe it until you experience it, and then you're like,

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Speaker 4: Can I get done?

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Speaker 5: What else can I do?

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Speaker 2: Let me add some more things to this this right

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Speaker 2: I'm about to go get I have root canals and

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Speaker 4: Now I'm in Bogatah.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, let me get this bridge done right, Like

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Speaker 2: no longer have to fear what that can do to you.

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Speaker 2: So many people are in the United States just afraid

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Speaker 4: I don't have that fear.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I live in Columbia where ninety seven or ninety

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Speaker 4: I don't have that fear.

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Speaker 6: And for you, if you're listening to this, you're like, okay,

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Speaker 4: And I don't want to be in the private with

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Speaker 6: Most of the women we know in our community are

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Speaker 6: eighteen hundred dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: A year for insurance waiting for you to say a month, okay.

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Speaker 6: You said he And that's private insurance that they don't

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Speaker 6: That's what they're paying for a full year for some people.

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Speaker 6: I think we have a a family that's paying let's

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Speaker 4: On top of definitely mentioned it's cheap.

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Speaker 6: I walked down to the pharmacy. They got a little

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Speaker 6: I've been having a problem for a little while, couldn't

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Speaker 6: She got me right.

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Speaker 4: The doctor's visit was three dollars oh, and was there

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Speaker 6: Did I have to fill out four thousand forms? Okay,

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Speaker 6: much better next day.

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00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 4: See, and that is care.

444
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 5: There's care and health care.

445
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm a black woman who has never felt in the

446
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 2: United States like my my needs were addressed in the

447
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: healthcare system.

448
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 4: Right.

449
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: I never felt like I would showed up with a

450
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: complaint and was seen and treated and felt good about

451
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: the end result.

452
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 5: But you know, you go to other places and there's

453
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 5: actual care. There's actual They do house calls, right, I

454
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 5: believe I've had.

455
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: I had a house call here with my little My

456
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: little insurance policy gave me a free, free house call.

457
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: Right.

458
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: There's actual care, and they don't you. You're looking at

459
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 2: a health care provider who is not looking at you

460
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: with any kind of pre with any prejudice. Right, They

461
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: are seeing you as a patient who needs care. They

462
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: don't have the same history, the same view of us

463
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: that you're gonna that I had experienced inside of the

464
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: United States. It's good care. It's good care.

465
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 4: When I go to the doctor.

466
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 6: I'm usually talking to them for at least twenty thirty

467
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 6: minutes of just talking before we get to any kind

468
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 6: of examination.

469
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 4: Listen, that's just talking about that.

470
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were just talking about that. This is so inspiring.

471
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I literally have a million questions that

472
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: have just run through my head. So I'm going to

473
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: try to stay organized in my mind here. Okay, not

474
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: to be fear based, right, but I think this is

475
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: a real legitimate thing here. We have all heard about trafficking, right,

476
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: and again, I think this goes back to the narratives

477
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: that the US and people just try to sell us, like, oh,

478
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: you go to this country by yourself, this may happen,

479
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: or even if you go with the group, right, this

480
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: may happen, and the stories that sort of get highlighted.

481
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: What conversations have you seen around that is that sounds

482
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: like it's not a fear for you all. Just tell me,

483
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: like what comes up for you when you hear that?

484
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: For people who have a legitimate concern about that, I.

485
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 6: Compare most of my thoughts about what might happen in

486
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 6: another country to what might happen at home in the US.

487
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, every day, and nobody cares.

488
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 6: That's that's true, right, there are there is more harm

489
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 6: happening to African Americans in America than in all the

490
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 6: other countries around the world.

491
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 8: Right.

492
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 4: Plus I'm looking fifty in the eye.

493
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 6: Anybody trampicking me, I'm tired traffic me to the bakery

494
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 6: unlessen right, like, we're not. But I've never there's never been, honestly,

495
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 6: there's never been a moment where I felt like this

496
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 6: is unsafe. There have been moments WHEREUND like, oh, this

497
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 6: is unfamiliar, right, Like where I live. I'll walk down

498
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 6: the street and a random man will just in making conversation,

499
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 6: will be like, where are you going? And in my brain,

500
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 6: I'm like, that is not a safe question to ask.

501
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 6: I don't know, that's what are we doing here? But

502
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 6: it's just a slight cultural nuance where that's just him

503
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 6: being friendly. In my brain, I'm like, he's trying to

504
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 6: slade me in the van, right, But it's not that,

505
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 6: it's just he's making conversation.

506
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: There is no van. And not that women aren't hard

507
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: I live in Mexican.

508
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 6: Not my hoops aren't harmed in Mexico. I am not

509
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 6: the easiest target, right, Black women, Black American women, any

510
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 6: American woman has a little bit more privilege in that

511
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 6: space than maybe women from other countries. The Blue passport

512
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 6: keeps us a little bit, a little bit safer outside

513
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 6: of the US than.

514
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: It does in the US. I'll say that's right, okay.

515
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: So and so speaking of our safety in here in

516
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: the US, anti black racism is real, right, as we

517
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: all kind of spoke to it already. But we also

518
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 3: know that anti blackness is a global concern. And so

519
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: what has it What has been your general experience in

520
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: terms of racism or anti blackness in other countries.

521
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: I found that I don't have to prepare for it

522
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: like I do in the US. In the US, you

523
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: kind of have to put an armor on. I'm from Delaware,

524
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: and if we go far enough down south in Delaware,

525
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: you got to prepare yourself and you have to have

526
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: a plan. I drove not too long ago from Delaware

527
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: to Charlotte, North Carolina, and I passed through Virginia, and

528
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 2: I had to make sure I don't I go to

529
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: the right gas station. I happen to see a whole

530
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: gang of black men sitting outside one gas station in

531
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: rural Virginia, and I said that's where I'm pulling over.

532
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to that gas station. It's not as though,

533
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: like you said, anti anti blackness is everywhere, it has

534
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 2: a far reach. White supremacy did its thing right, but

535
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: there's a difference in the way that you have to prepare.

536
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: Some of it is because when you are in another place,

537
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: even when you live there, you don't things can't impact

538
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: you the same way, right, And so the systems can't

539
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: beat you down the way that they can in the

540
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: United States because you know, you just moved here and

541
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: you probably don't need to deal with applying for jobs

542
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: in another country. And the things that the places where

543
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: anti blackness was really gonna cut you aren't necessarily things

544
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: that you're gonna deal with. When you're in another country,

545
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: You're just going to be out going to restaurants and

546
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: wondering did they not seek me first because I'm black?

547
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: Or is it because there's six of us and there's

548
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: only two of them? Is this a thing I need

549
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: to unlearn?

550
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 6: Right?

551
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: Do I need to take off some of this guard

552
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: and take down some of this guard?

553
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: There's less.

554
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are fewer ways that it really

555
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: cuts when you're in a different place. When you're at home.

556
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: Cut it hurts. It's prevalent, and you have to prepare

557
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: for it. I don't walk out of a store in

558
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: the US without my receipt in my hand. I've been

559
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: pepper sprayed by a security guard before. I keeps my

560
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: receipt on me. When I go around the world, I forget.

561
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: I show up to pick up my clothes from the

562
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: laundry lady, I don't have my slip.

563
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. She just hands me my clothes.

564
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,239
Speaker 2: Right, there's a different amount of a different type of

565
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: protection that you need to have in the US that

566
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: you don't need around the world. And so that's what

567
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: I hope that we can see and experience. And also

568
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: it's a thing that a mindset shift is a thing

569
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: that we need to prepare for in a different way.

570
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: It looks different, and I want to add on to that.

571
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 6: That's also part of the privilege of the Blue Past book.

572
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: Right, Like so Sephanie said, when you're not.

573
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 6: Living at home. So for the Afro Colombians, with the

574
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 6: Afromaganos who are in Colombia, in Mexico, the Afro indigenous

575
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 6: around the world, they're generally not having the same experience

576
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 6: because the way anti blackness can't impact them is impacting them. Right.

577
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 6: But a lot of times the American passport is seen

578
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 6: as like a class indicator, and in some places class

579
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 6: doesn't bypass racism, but it kind of like it impacts

580
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 6: it in a way. Right, Mexicans have to say that

581
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 6: they're not racist their classes, even though the poorer people

582
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 6: tend to be the browner people. So it's suspicious. But

583
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 6: that's just something that's commonly said, Oh, we're not racist

584
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 6: for classes.

585
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 4: It could be neither, we we can whatever.

586
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: I Yeah, part so insightful. So when a woman who's

587
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: listening wants to consider her big move and establish roots abroad,

588
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: what would you say are some of the things that

589
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: she should get in order, like when it comes to

590
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: getting her fairs in order, or any critical actions to

591
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: help make that transition smoother for her and her family.

592
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 4: Girls, start getting rid of your stuff today, listen.

593
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the it's a thing that seems like

594
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: the easiest thing, that is the hardest thing. Your home

595
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: full of your belongings and your stuff is not going

596
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: with you into your new life.

597
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: Can you say stuff, Stephanie, When you say stuff, can

598
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: we be specific? Because I can see black women right now, like, wait,

599
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: what do you mean?

600
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: Like all of it?

601
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: You're not taking it? Okay, You're not taking your furniture

602
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: with you. You're taking much. You're taking few of your clothes, right,

603
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: You're most of those some of those momentos, those things

604
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: that just remind you of the good old days, most

605
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: of those things.

606
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 5: They're not going with you.

607
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: Okay.

608
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: It's hard, it's a hard thing, but it's necessary if

609
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: you want to move forward in another country without spending

610
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: thou and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars ship

611
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: in a whole house.

612
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: Full of stuff.

613
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: Right, your new life is going to bring you new

614
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: momentos and new things, and new clothes and new furniture, new.

615
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: Nick knacks.

616
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: Start today cutting some of that stuff out.

617
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 6: A lot of the things that we value, that we

618
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 6: hold on to, they won't have a place here in

619
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 6: new life. I think that when you when you move,

620
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 6: it's a good way to figure out what you what

621
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 6: you're caring about because of sentimentality or some history, and

622
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 6: what is actually like important to your life today. I

623
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 6: love me some high heels. I live in a street.

624
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 6: I live in a town where you can break your ankle.

625
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 6: Any minute, it's going to be a sidewalk.

626
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 4: I've been. It's it's tried. I'm tripping in sneakers. Right,

627
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: So I have all these heels here. I brought that.

628
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: I brought them with me. I'm the Maximus of the crew.

629
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: I brought them with me. I don't even wear them.

630
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 4: Why are they here? What are we doing?

631
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 6: Right? So there is that shedding things. I would add,

632
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 6: You're going to have to shed some people.

633
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: Everybody, would you. Everybody's not gonna make it. Some people

634
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 4: shed their partners, and I'm so proud of them. I'm

635
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: so proud.

636
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 6: You don't have to though, you don't have you don't

637
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 6: have to get rid of your partner to leave. But

638
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 6: for some people it's the best choice they can make, right,

639
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 6: a little divorce party and get on a plane, right

640
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 6: like this is this is great, bye bye. And for

641
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 6: others it's you know that friend who friend who keeps

642
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 6: doubting me, We're telling you you can't do something, or

643
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 6: you're hating aunt who every day is like they don't

644
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 6: kill you over there in Jamaica, right like right, And

645
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 6: not that you need to end your relationship, but a

646
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 6: lot of times your relationships with the people in your

647
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 6: life are going to change because you're going to be

648
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 6: making choices that don't suit them listening, This journey is

649
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 6: one where you're going to making unconventional choices, and everyone's

650
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 6: not gonna be able to live with your unconventional choice. Yeah,

651
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 6: that's that's okay. Yep, Okay, I can see that for

652
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 6: a lot of women. Yep.

653
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 5: And so.

654
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: Let's say that someone is not.

655
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: Quite ready.

656
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: To leave all their books behind and leave all their

657
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: high heels in the closet and get rid of their

658
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: favorite piece of furniture. How can they plan out maybe

659
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: a sabbatical or an extended leave from their job so

660
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: that they can they can try out living abroad.

661
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 6: We both took sabbaticals first. Well, Stephanie left a job

662
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 6: and was like, I'll come back and get another job

663
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 6: in a year, and I was my job left me,

664
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 6: my job laid me off. And I was like, well,

665
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 6: I'll come back and get a different job in a year,

666
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 6: because I'm looking for a job right now. So with

667
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 6: the idea that like, we just we have X amount

668
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 6: of dollars and we don't thug it out for a

669
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 6: year and see what happens. Separately, of course, not knowing

670
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 6: each other. And the thing about that is that you

671
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 6: give yourself enough freedom.

672
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: Oh you know, I don't care about the books no more,

673
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: or say big got you can get them.

674
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 6: You will be reading the e version of that book

675
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 6: in like a year from now. When I was on

676
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 6: my break, every day of freedom was a day. It

677
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 6: was a day harder to go back to work or

678
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 6: go back to our life. After about three months, I

679
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 6: was like, I don't think I'm moving back to Oakland.

680
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 6: And after six months I was like, I shall.

681
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 4: Never have a job again. I don't know, I don't

682
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 4: know what I'll be selling, right, I don't know what

683
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: I will be doing to support myself.

684
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 6: But I will not be clocking into anyone's job ever.

685
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: Again.

686
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 6: Can't do And that's it's just living life in America.

687
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 6: We are not allowed to live life on our own terms.

688
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 6: You're allowed to be a worker, right, and more and

689
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 6: more the type of worker you're allowed to be is

690
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 6: dictated to you. Because I'm good, government jobs, they're not

691
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 6: for you anymore, right, that's not for you. Right, Maybe

692
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 6: when all the farm workers are gone, we can go

693
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 6: work in the farm again. Maybe, right, They being free

694
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 6: and being able to wake up every morning and say

695
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 6: what is it that I want to do today? Like me,

696
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 6: not what do my friends expect of me to do?

697
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 6: I'm on vacation, I'm in I'm in Cairo. I have

698
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 6: to go see the pyramids today.

699
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 4: Maybe it's mostly been, Maybe it's wont to watch. Maybe

700
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 4: I'm lay on the couch and watch Netflix today.

701
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 6: Like waking up every day and being able to say,

702
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 6: I want to do this thing today, and so I'm

703
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 6: going to do this thing today and tomorrow there's something else.

704
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: Is an experience.

705
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 6: I did not value because I did not know the

706
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 6: possibility of it and I did not know the life

707
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 6: changing aspect of it. To really wake up and have

708
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 6: the freedom of saying.

709
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: What shall I do?

710
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 6: You're not going back to work, girl, You're not going

711
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 6: back to the shoes, to the books, any of that.

712
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: But don't tell them that, Rashida. I don't think we

713
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: should tell people that doesn't take us sabbatical. Take us sabbatical.

714
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: It's easier, it's sure, it's cheaper, and you don't have

715
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: to deal with things until you come back. Yeah, right,

716
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: hambadical birth, but you will come back changed. I didn't

717
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: go on my sabbatical thinking that I was going to

718
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: find myself. I just wanted to go to some places

719
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: that I had pictures of that I had never seen before.

720
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: And man, did I meet the real me out All

721
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: this time I was worker Stephanie, or student Stephanie, or

722
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: sometimes not good daughter Stephanie, whatever, but I was I

723
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: was not the fullness of me until I got to

724
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: be in a place where work didn't matter, work didn't

725
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: have a say, where black excellence didn't have a say,

726
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: where nobody looked at me, where nobody had expectations that

727
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: I had to live up to. Right, nobody had demands

728
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: from me. And Rashida's right. You can't go back.

729
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 5: You can't go back.

730
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 6: I mean, can you go on to You can probably

731
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 6: go back. If you go for two to three months,

732
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 6: you can probably go back. You get outside of us

733
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 6: for more than five six months, it's a rap.

734
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: It's a rap.

735
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: Okay, mm hmm. This is just okay. So I'm thinking

736
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: about a couple of things. This is listen down, and

737
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: I about to book our flights. So if you see

738
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: us as neighbors soon. So if you've inspired, you've inspired us. Okay, Yes,

739
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: So I took a sabbatical a few years ago for work,

740
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: and it was a very interesting experience because I found

741
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: myself wondering what do I do? Like who am I

742
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: outside of the work that I'm doing? And it was

743
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: a whole identity shift. But I want to ask you

744
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: having a lifestyle, this is not a sabbatical. This is

745
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: a lifestyle for you. So I can imagine that being

746
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: in a space where you have freedom, where you have

747
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: more space to be more of yourself. I'm assumed that

748
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: there have been some therapeutic experiences you kind of alluded to,

749
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: some Stephanie, or even some enlightening experiences. What have been

750
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: some of those experience for each of you, because it's

751
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: not like you've been traveling a lot solo, you know,

752
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: over the course of your time outside of the state.

753
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: So what has that been like for you when it

754
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: comes to your relationship with yourself and the enlightenment that

755
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: has come from being in that space.

756
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: I learned a lot of things about me were so

757
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: I interviewed it. She did not interview a woman who

758
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 2: said this, but it applies to me to she said,

759
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: she realized how much of her was things that she

760
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: had to put on to survive her environment. A lot

761
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: of the things that she thought, and this is me too.

762
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: A lot of the things that I thought were just

763
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: my personality, that's just how I am, was not me.

764
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: It was what I had to do to survive where

765
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: I lived, where I grew up, you know, to survive

766
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: the Central Ohio, to survive the United States, to survive

767
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: the Black Church, to survive all these things I had to,

768
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: you know, put on these things at a young age

769
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: and couldn't tell what was me and what was external.

770
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: And so man, it was amazing to go out and

771
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: be able to question everything I thought about myself, everything

772
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: I thought about the way life should be, and say,

773
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: why do I think that? From small, relatively small things

774
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: like you work until you were retirement age and then

775
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: you're set free and realize that no, I don't, I

776
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: don't subscribe to that. I want my freedom today. Okay,

777
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: from things like that too, Like I am, I would

778
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: self identify as a hermit. But I also found out

779
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: that I really loved to talk to a stranger. Let

780
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: me sit down in a mall in a country where

781
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: I don't speak the language, and let somebody somebody comes

782
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: and sit down and tries to have a conversation with me.

783
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 5: We gonna try, We're gonna do it. We're gonna talk, Okay,

784
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 5: We're gonna talk the best.

785
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: Whereas Central Ohio Stephanie would never talked to a stranger,

786
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 2: would never allow this thing to happen, because that's not safe,

787
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: that's not the way, that's.

788
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: Not who I am.

789
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: That so many parts of me were buried or suppressed

790
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: that I didn't know. And it was just because I

791
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: grew up under these those conditions in the US, in Ohio,

792
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: in the church, in this environment, in black excellence. And

793
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: it's been fantastic to meet me and you know, languished

794
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: and doing nothing. I'll be like people now today when

795
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: people ask me what I do, what do I do,

796
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: I'd be like as little as possible, not so fun.

797
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: It's been amazing to meet my own self. I didn't

798
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: leave until I was forty one. I didn't leave the US.

799
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: I didn't leave on that Sabbatica until I was forty one.

800
00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 7: But it was it's been it open and opened me

801
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 7: up and introduced me to myself as a real whole person.

802
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 4: You touched on wh did you touched on it earlier?

803
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 6: About like your health and how things change overseas. I

804
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 6: had quite a number of chronic conditions that the doctors

805
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 6: were like, good luck with that girl. I don't even

806
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 6: know what tell you, like, uh neil a joyful unemployment

807
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 6: told me that a lot of that was just from stress, right,

808
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 6: A lot of it was just from stress. And having

809
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 6: doctors that listen to me and care and can spend

810
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 6: more than three four, maybe ten minutes in the room

811
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 6: with me got everything under control. I went to a

812
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 6: doctor once here and he was like, just do this,

813
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 6: to do this, and I've been like, I've been doing

814
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 6: these things you're telling me to do for twenty years,

815
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 6: spent everyone under control. That man looked me in the

816
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 6: face and said, well, you've never seen me before.

817
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: And I was like a little too much? Did find

818
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 4: your chip a little too much?

819
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: Oh?

820
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 4: But he wasn't wrong. I hate I hate I love

821
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 4: it and I hate it at the same time.

822
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 6: A little too cocky, sir, right, but completely uncontrol now

823
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 6: right in a way that like my body has had

824
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 6: time to recover from the constant onslaught and the fear,

825
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 6: like that ingrained fear that we live in the US.

826
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 4: I'm not living under it now.

827
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 6: And between that and like I said, doctors actually listening

828
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 6: and carried and trying to fix the problem because it's

829
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 6: not just in my head, and I'm not just you know,

830
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 6: a black girl like a shoe out of their office.

831
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 6: My health has improved. Every aspect of my health has improved.

832
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Before Dom chimes in really quick, I just want to say,

833
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: you're both aging backwards. The skin is skinning. I saw

834
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: something on Instagram. I was like, what are you doing

835
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 1: to your skin? You look amazing? You like fifty where

836
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: forty one. I'm just what okay?

837
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 6: So to say that joy welcome joy and freedom is

838
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 6: abom okay.

839
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: So then may and maybe freedom is the answer to

840
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: this next question. But in terms of thinking about as

841
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: I'm looking at both of you on screen and and

842
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: I'm loving your natural hair. And one of the things

843
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: that I experienced, particularly here in the US, is that

844
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: certain certain stores you go in don't have the things

845
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: that you need. It depends on your neighborhood, right like,

846
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: there are certain places where they will not have the

847
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: products that you need to maintain all of the beauty.

848
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: And so for you all, thinking about the products that

849
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: you may have been used to using when you were

850
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 3: living in the States to what you're using now, like,

851
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: how did that shift?

852
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 6: I put things basically in two categories of things. One

853
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 6: the category of products where I could use anything, right,

854
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 6: I leave, like you just need leading conditioner, Like it'll matter,

855
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 6: just give me Leading conditioner that product versus the there's

856
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 6: a very specific thing I want for this product. For

857
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 6: the I can use anything. Maybe if Canto makes it,

858
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 6: if Shade Moisture makes it, you can find it anywhere

859
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 6: on this planet, any anywhere on this planet, right if

860
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 6: if you can deal with a dove everywhere, every single

861
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 6: place you go, you can find kind of those generic

862
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 6: products and the generic black products as well. Some places

863
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 6: have more than others. Mexico City fortunately has in some stores,

864
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 6: has a wide variety of black hair care products. I

865
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 6: can go down to the Sally's and get stuff, right,

866
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 6: you want a little made entail. If you do, they

867
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 6: got it at the Sally's.

868
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 8: Right.

869
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 6: There's the globalization means that products like specific products for everywhere, for.

870
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 4: The things that I'm like, I need a very specific thing.

871
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 6: If I can't get it online, somebody come to town

872
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 6: sometime and I'm just gonna be like, hey girl, I'm

873
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 6: gonna ship the steelhouse.

874
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 4: Slide it in your suitcase. And bring it to me.

875
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 4: Thank you.

876
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 6: And that's how I get by with things if it's not.

877
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 6: I haven't been back to us in a while for

878
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Speaker 6: very intentional reasons, but usually I would go maybe two

879
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 6: or some times a year, and I would load up

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00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 6: my suitcase. So I'm coming back of the things that

881
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 6: I need this specific product. Now, I'm just like, who's

882
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 6: coming to town?

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00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 4: Who can?

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Speaker 6: And part of that is being our larger community is

885
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Speaker 6: twenty six thousand women. Somebody's coming to town, right, somebody?

886
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 6: And if you're in the community, right, if you join

887
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 6: our community, you're in there with us. Somebody's coming to

888
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Speaker 6: your town, whatever, wherever you move to. One of your

889
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 6: sisters is coming to town too, and they know what it's

890
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Speaker 6: like not to have the products they want.

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Speaker 4: They will bring you what you want.

892
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Speaker 2: They will ask you, right, people will ask you before

893
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Speaker 2: they come all right, what can I bring you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Same done.

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Speaker 1: There are so many questions that we could ask you,

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Speaker 1: but I think we're at the point where we need

897
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Speaker 1: to transition. So I guess the question that I want

898
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Speaker 1: to ask is, what's something that we haven't covered that

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Speaker 1: you really think we need to cover. Hopefully, whoever's listening

900
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: they're sold and they're going to exodus someone. Because, like, girl,

901
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: if you want to move out of States, what are

902
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: you doing? Like, you need to be right to staring.

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00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: The link will be in the show notes and we'll

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Speaker 1: be sharing the link all over. But what's something we

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Speaker 1: happen covered that we should definitely talk about before you

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Speaker 1: head out.

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Speaker 5: I want to slip two things in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, First, people think that it's a little harder to

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Speaker 2: get residency. Some people assume that you need citizenship in

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Speaker 2: another country, or it's harder to get residency than it is.

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Speaker 2: There are some countries that lay it out really plainly.

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Speaker 2: If you have this much in a bank account, or

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Speaker 2: if you make this much every month, come on, apply

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Speaker 2: for your residency visa. Come on down right. I got

915
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Speaker 2: residency in Mexico very easily. I don't even live in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: They don't even ask me do you plan to live here?

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Speaker 2: They didn't ask me any questions. What nothing right. Residency

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Speaker 2: can be more simpler to navigate than people think. And

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Speaker 2: the other thing I want to slip in is that

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Speaker 2: most of the women in our community don't move to

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Speaker 2: another country by getting a job in another country.

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Speaker 5: Most have or work.

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Speaker 2: On a way to make money separate from a traditional job,

924
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: whether that means a remote job or your own business,

925
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Speaker 2: investment income, rental income, alimony. Right, something most of the

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Speaker 2: women in our community don't move abroad by getting a

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Speaker 2: job in another country, just like other just like the

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Speaker 2: United States is like, no, you can't come and take

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Speaker 2: our jobs. All the other countries say the exact same thing.

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Speaker 5: But we don't know.

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Speaker 2: A black woman who doesn't have a skill set, doesn't

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Speaker 2: have the skills to pay her bills with her brain

933
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Speaker 2: online somehow we can do it or you know. So

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Speaker 2: those are a couple of things I wanted to slip in.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to slip in a third that's kind of

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Speaker 6: in the middle of what Stephanie said. A lot of

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00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 6: our community doesn't move to a place. They pack a

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Speaker 6: suitcase and they are here for six months. They are

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Speaker 6: there for three months, they're there for four back in

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Speaker 6: another place they loved for six months, which means, right,

941
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Speaker 6: they don't have to go through the residency process tourist.

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Speaker 4: Visa in that country. Days need to show up we at.

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Speaker 6: The airport, Kiki and with the passport officer, honey, and

944
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Speaker 6: get on through. Right, Maybe they need to be a

945
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Speaker 6: tourist visa maybe now we'll see, depending on the country.

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Speaker 6: But also that really leads to not getting a job

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Speaker 6: in the country you're going to and taking a job

948
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Speaker 6: that's portable with you, right, And that's that's one of

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Speaker 6: the reasons we stress.

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Speaker 4: Figuring out a way that you.

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Speaker 6: Can make money and dependent of an employer is honestly

952
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 6: one of the best things you can do for yourself

953
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Speaker 6: within river abroad, which is why it's so prevalent.

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Speaker 4: In this year's Exodus Summit. We're really going.

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Speaker 6: Hard on that because if you want to be in

956
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Speaker 6: Malaysia one week and South Africa the next week, your employer,

957
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Speaker 6: it's going to be a little probably a little challenging.

958
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Speaker 6: But if you make your money your way, do whatever

959
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Speaker 6: you want, work at whatever time zone you want, show

960
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Speaker 6: up whatever you want to. And it's really been a

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Speaker 6: blessing to watch women do this around the world and

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Speaker 6: model it for the.

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Speaker 1: Rest of us.

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Speaker 3: How okay, I mean, yes, we really could sit here

965
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: for another two three four hours asking questions, but we

966
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: know that most of the questions that we could ask

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00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: you all will be answering in your Exodus Summit, And

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Speaker 3: so one more time for the folks who might not

969
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: have heard it at the very beginning. Can you tell

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00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 3: us when the summit is and how can folks get

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Speaker 3: their tickets? Exodus Summit twenty twenty five is all online.

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Speaker 2: It's October tenth through thirteenth, twenty twenty five, and tickets

973
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: are Oh well, you will have a special link, So

974
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: there will the link.

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00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 5: Y'all will have to give people a link to register.

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00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: This is the way, friends, This is a way that

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Speaker 2: y'all can thank Terry and doctor Don for creating this space,

978
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: for creating this this environment, this community for y'all use

979
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: their link.

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00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 4: To register for Exodus Summit.

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00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's online October ten through thirteen, and our

982
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: speakers are coming in to teach you how to make money.

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00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: More than twenty black women speakers are coming in who

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00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: are experts at making money in a particular way, in

985
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 2: a way that could take you around the world, and

986
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 2: they're going to teach.

987
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 4: You how to make money in that way.

988
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: Just because there are twenty some speakers doesn't mean you

989
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: need to have twenty something pathways to making money.

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00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 5: You pick one to maybe.

991
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: Three at the moment, you know, you pick a couple

992
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 2: that fit you and you come to Exitus Summit, those

993
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: speakers will get you on the pathway to making your

994
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: first dollars doing that thing. You don't have to let money. Well,

995
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: we started out with that money should not be the

996
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: reason you don't leave. And so the speakers come to

997
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: exit as Summit to teach that this is our sixty

998
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: year hosting this summit, Our community is all in, our

999
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: community is fantastic. This is like part workshop, part family reunion.

1000
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: And it's a time when you set aside this focus.

1001
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: This weekend, you focus on these things and you make

1002
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: real progress towards something that maybe today just seems like

1003
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 2: a wish. You come to exit a summit, you make progress.

1004
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: By the time the next summer comes around, you know

1005
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to dial in from Mauritius or some island.

1006
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to dial from Fiji. You know you're

1007
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: gonna have to dial in from somewhere else because you're

1008
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: already out of the country.

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00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And one of the things I love about the summit

1011
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 6: the most is that we hire all black women speakers

1012
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 6: and we pay black women right, So it really is

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00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 6: a way, like.

1014
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 4: I know sometimes people.

1015
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 6: Can be hesitant of like I've had a bad experience

1016
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 6: to the summit before, or I've had a bad experience

1017
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 6: at a conference. We really ingrain our speakers. This is

1018
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 6: not inspiration time. Like we have a keynote from Rachel Rogers, yay,

1019
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 6: that will be inspirational. You get one hour of inspiration, right.

1020
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 6: The rest of the time is going to be a

1021
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 6: real how to. And part of respecting the how too

1022
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 6: that the women are coming with is paying them. You

1023
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 6: buy a ticket from black women, and as black women,

1024
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 6: we pay other black women to teach you how to

1025
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 6: do a thing so that you can go make money

1026
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 6: maybe from other Black women in a healthy and whole way,

1027
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 6: from other black women. And so I really love watching

1028
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 6: the money flow through the community.

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00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 8: Right.

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00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 6: It's a beautiful thing to know that Black women were

1031
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 6: told so often that what we do should be done

1032
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 6: for free.

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00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 4: Right, if you have a gift, you should give it away,

1034
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 4: you should not charge for it.

1035
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 6: You can't charge black people because they ain't got no money.

1036
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: No one's going to pay for this.

1037
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 6: And we like disrupting that right with the idea that like,

1038
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 6: if I tell you you have to work for free,

1039
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 6: then I should be working for free. And then and

1040
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 6: so if we are insisting that anyone works for free, right,

1041
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 6: or that they don't deserve to be paid for their gifts.

1042
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 6: None of us should be paid for us our gifts, right,

1043
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 6: And that's just not how we work. We think as

1044
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 6: black women, we are so special when coming so whole.

1045
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 4: We've done, We've done.

1046
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 6: So much work to get to where we are. We've

1047
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 6: been so disregarded over time by other communities. We want

1048
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 6: this to be a different space, a safe space and

1049
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 6: almost like a holy space for your gifts.

1050
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 8: Right.

1051
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 6: We want you to come in with your gifts and

1052
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 6: learn how to use them from people who are using

1053
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 6: their own gifts.

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Speaker 1: That is so incredible, so inspiring, and I didn't realize.

1055
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: I think you all probably should have told us this.

1056
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: We didn't realize that you preached on Mondays, both of you,

1057
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: so we appreciate you letting us know at the end

1058
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: of the episode here though we kind of peeped it

1059
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: through help. But this is so amazing. Thank you so much,

1060
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: ladies for the work that you do for the community.

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00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: We'll make sure to add our special link in the

1062
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: show notes promoted on our Instagram and share anything else

1063
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: that you all want us to share. But is there

1064
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: anything else in closing that you want to share with

1065
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: the listeners.

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Speaker 4: Just thank you for.

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Speaker 6: Listening and taking the time, and we hope to see

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Speaker 6: it for the Summit to Madge twenty five.

1069
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 8: It's doctor dom here from the Cultivating her Space podcast.

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Speaker 8: Are you currently a resident of the state of California

1071
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Speaker 8: and contemplating starting your therapy journey? Well, if so, please

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Speaker 8: reach out to me at doctor Dominique Brusard dot com.

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Speaker 8: Cultivating her Space. Remember that while this podcast is all

1078
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Speaker 8: about healing, empowerment, and resilience, it's not a substitute for therapy.

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Speaker 8: resources like Therapy for Black Girls or Psychology Today. If

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Speaker 1: And before we meet again, repeat after me, I release

1086
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: the old with gratitude and prepare for the new with intention.

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Speaker 1: Keep thriving, Lady, and tune in next Friday for more

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