Speaker 1: I'm talking right here. This is not loud.
Speaker 2: No, you have to really talk into it.
Speaker 1: All right, So what about this, I'm getting it high
Speaker 1: right there. I heard the dial.
Speaker 2: You just listened. The first time you got me asked,
Speaker 2: I think that was four times we asked.
Speaker 1: But then he was like, oh yeah, he sounds good.
Speaker 1: But then like on my side, I can see that
Speaker 1: my volume is too high.
Speaker 2: On Women's History month, listen to women.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you my volume is too high. When you
Speaker 1: when you listen to the recording, it's gonna be bad.
Speaker 2: It's gonna sound you don't not listen to a woman
Speaker 2: on March third. You know we're three days in.
Speaker 1: Don't start already.
Speaker 2: I'm starting. I'm starting.
Speaker 3: I won't make you all jealous.
Speaker 2: No, it's beautiful. She looks out and use the ocean.
Speaker 2: You probably do too, Chris.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, she's not too far. I mean, I can't walk,
Speaker 1: but it's out there.
Speaker 2: It's out there. Ella, Welcome to another episode of Brown Ambition.
Speaker 2: Be a faan. How are y'all doing?
Speaker 4: Wooo?
Speaker 3: I'm doing all right. I feel like March just like
Speaker 3: snuck up like it was it was just January and
Speaker 3: then now all of a sudden. You know, February always
Speaker 3: lies by because it's short, but then March is like
Speaker 3: just here out of nowhere, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Not right, is it? Is it going to be a
Speaker 2: stressful month for you? I love March.
Speaker 3: I just travel a lot in March because it's like
Speaker 3: the last few weeks of like active legislative sessions and differ.
Speaker 3: So when I'm doing that work, I have to like
Speaker 3: hurry up and squeeze in a testimony at some hearings
Speaker 3: here or this.
Speaker 2: Do you get nervous? I mean, testifying in front of
Speaker 2: mini congresses is not something that people do like once
Speaker 2: in their life, let alone as part of their job
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: No, you know, it's funny. I actually have a video
Speaker 3: on my phone is so embarrassing of the first testimony
Speaker 3: I ever provided. It was virtual during COVID, and I
Speaker 3: was shaking, like you can literally see me shaking. And
Speaker 3: then at the end when I turn off my video
Speaker 3: to record myself, I was like trying to breathe because
Speaker 3: I was so That's how nervous I was. It was
Speaker 3: the first time I had ever testified. I didn't know,
Speaker 3: you know, what to expect or how I was gonna
Speaker 3: go but by now I've done it probably dozens of times,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, another one of these.
Speaker 1: I can't wait till we can all vote for you.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, we're not doing that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 3: I always when I was growing up, I always thought like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe I'll do local politics, And now that I work
Speaker 3: in local politics or like adjacent to it, man, it's
Speaker 3: like when you see how the sausage gets made, right
Speaker 3: is that the phrase? Yeah, you like know the inner workings,
Speaker 3: And it's so fin petty, like everybody is petty LaBelle.
Speaker 3: It's so annoying. You cannot deal with a person who's
Speaker 3: not having ulterior motives or some other motivation or some
Speaker 3: selfish thing or some other agenda. It's like, bro, are
Speaker 3: we here for what we're here for? But the issue
Speaker 3: is at hand or always some type of high school drama.
Speaker 3: This person didn't vote for my last bill, so I
Speaker 3: don't care if I like this bill, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: vote for it just out of fight. And it's like
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff is so incessant. I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I can't be involved in this mess.
Speaker 2: Well, good to know that the lower levels are just
Speaker 2: like the White House. I'm sorry, sorry, I'm not here
Speaker 2: to provide any top of hope. No, we're getting some hope.
Speaker 2: The hope is that you can relate that back to
Speaker 2: us so that we don't stop the good work that
Speaker 2: we're doing here. And we understand and they get they
Speaker 2: do it for like no pay too. That's why you
Speaker 2: got to be a gajillionaire to afford to be a
Speaker 2: congress person or a lawmaker.
Speaker 3: That is the sad truth. But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, they do have a lot of power and
Speaker 3: it is on us to hold them accountable. Yes, you know,
Speaker 3: we vote for them. Both elections are the most important
Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, their email addresses
Speaker 3: and their Twitter accounts are there.
Speaker 2: She is there, she is she found the brown ambition inside.
Speaker 3: Yes, always, it's just that it's not going to be
Speaker 3: mess but you know somebody.
Speaker 2: Else, Yes, absolutely, yeah, I mean While on a brighter note,
Speaker 2: this morning on YouTube, I did get to watch the
Speaker 2: beginning of the Oscars. Well, I missed my girl Cynthia
Speaker 2: and Ariana Grande did like the prettiest opening, I mean,
Speaker 2: the most exquisite. Have y'all watched it yet?
Speaker 1: I missed it. I did watch the Oscars, but I
Speaker 1: came in a little late.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you really did. You gotta go back and
Speaker 2: watch it.
Speaker 3: Watch it.
Speaker 4: They killed it.
Speaker 3: I mean Cynthia of course obviously did the did her thing,
Speaker 3: but Ariana too. I mean they just it was beautiful.
Speaker 2: I mean like the Internet ruined it. They like spoiled
Speaker 2: it for me. By the time I watched it, I
Speaker 2: knew what was coming. But if I had been caught
Speaker 2: off guard and Cynthia came out singing home from the Whiz,
Speaker 2: I would have.
Speaker 1: Been kr I was gonna say, Queen Latifa did a
Speaker 1: great tribute to the Whiz for the Quincy Jones I heard.
Speaker 2: She did move on down the Road. I haven't watched
Speaker 2: that yet.
Speaker 3: That's awesome little shorts from it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad Queen still out here, just in all the categories.
Speaker 2: Yan Ellie, our girls, Zoey South. I can claim her
Speaker 2: as my girl because you know, I'm raising Dominican boys.
Speaker 2: But her speech was so well, how did you feel?
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that she said that, And her passion
Speaker 3: is just so palpable, like when she's Meeks, it's so
Speaker 3: she's fired up. It's like you can tell. It's so authentic,
Speaker 3: right and she I mean, it's been a long time
Speaker 3: coming for her.
Speaker 2: She's so talented way back.
Speaker 3: But also I mean major films that a lot of
Speaker 3: technical awards were granted for were given out for, but
Speaker 3: never like her acting like Avatar. I mean obviously people
Speaker 3: know from Avatar, but like this was just I mean,
Speaker 3: she put everything into it. The fact that she spoke
Speaker 3: in Spanish and said that and made the you know,
Speaker 3: ow to her grandparents and to the immigrant struggle. I'm
Speaker 3: so glad she said all the things that she said
Speaker 3: because we were all so here for it. And she's, yeah,
Speaker 3: the first Dominican actress to receive an Oscar Award, and
Speaker 3: that's true for any award of cross, like any producer
Speaker 3: and other awards that which is sad but also just
Speaker 3: incredible that she had that ability to go up there
Speaker 3: and represent in that way. But yeah, it was beautiful,
Speaker 3: beautiful moment. We love her, We stand zone.
Speaker 1: She was the best thing about that movie About a
Speaker 1: Million Birds. She carried that movie.
Speaker 2: Another highlight back to Wicked. Paul Tazewell, the costume designers,
Speaker 2: first black man to ever win in that and.
Speaker 3: He said it when he won his award.
Speaker 2: Yes, let him know.
Speaker 3: Let him know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta let him know because people need to
Speaker 2: be reminded how rare we are in the building, let
Speaker 2: alone on the stage, and the.
Speaker 3: Fact that we're trying to roll back the EI left
Speaker 3: and right and now we're finally getting some firsts for
Speaker 3: black people up on this stage. Right like after Latina
Speaker 3: was like Zo, we like Paul Tasle's work, Like, why
Speaker 3: are we just now getting these firsts and people are
Speaker 3: still not putting two and two together that we need
Speaker 3: these DEI programs to allow for this. We're still making
Speaker 3: history of the first black blank. That's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty five and he did an amazing job.
Speaker 1: But the costume design and Wicked was a bubble dress
Speaker 1: you were It felt to me it felt better than
Speaker 1: I love the live musical. But I feel they did
Speaker 1: a justice the world they created with that. It was
Speaker 1: he did a great job with the cast and design.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you noticed also like how he has just
Speaker 3: leveled up in his career. I first found out about
Speaker 3: his work when I watched In the Heights. It was
Speaker 3: like two thousand and nine, eighty nine. I watched it
Speaker 3: with Cordon Blue and Jordan Sparks cast I saw that phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Wait, so he did the costume design for the play?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Oh, did he also do it for the film, don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he did it for the film.
Speaker 3: I know for sure he did Hamilton as.
Speaker 2: Well, because that would be the connection between him and
Speaker 2: John Chu, the director of In the Heights the musical.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but back then I mean In the Heights and Hamilton,
Speaker 3: and of course Wicked, I mean I and he'd obviously
Speaker 3: whiz live. I feel like he has been just slowly
Speaker 3: elevating to this point where it's like it was a given.
Speaker 3: It was just amount of time.
Speaker 2: It was nice to see it not go to like
Speaker 2: fucking like Renaissance queens and kings, like no offense to
Speaker 2: the Europeans, but like, god damn you, you're Elizabethan. Corsets
Speaker 2: and stuff is all very impressive. But did you see
Speaker 2: the bubble dress? I'm sorry, did you see the munchkin Land?
Speaker 2: Like the way that every character was so unique? And
Speaker 2: I know because I had the coloring book and I'm like, ooh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do yeah, I'm named literally, this is what
Speaker 2: I do when I'm stressed sometimes the wicked. My mommy
Speaker 2: got me this for Christmas, I'm not even ashamed, And yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm just that was amazing. Did you guys do
Speaker 2: boycott Friday? By the way, I did too.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: A lot easier for me than I thought it was
Speaker 3: going to be, I gotta say, because it was a Friday,
Speaker 3: and so I just feel like I wasn't necessarily like
Speaker 3: I was able to just like enjoy my Friday. I
Speaker 3: wasn't really online that much, which I think helped me.
Speaker 3: But if it's a start of the week, if it's
Speaker 3: a Sunday, or if it's like a Monday, I find it.
Speaker 3: I'm ordering stuff more. I'm like like in my beginning
Speaker 3: of the week mode, where like I'm looking ahead and
Speaker 3: planning ahead. But like the fact it was a I
Speaker 3: was whining down, I was not doing work. It just
Speaker 3: for me. I felt like it was going to be
Speaker 3: so difficult and it ended up being much easier.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see the quarterly results from Target,
Speaker 2: which are I was just thinking, I was like, when's
Speaker 2: the quarter over?
Speaker 1: So much we should see it is a quarter march.
Speaker 2: I want to see because they got to tell they
Speaker 2: got to tell the shareholders. Shareholders are already suing Target
Speaker 2: right because they pissed at Apple. I haven't gone to
Speaker 2: Target since well since before they announced it because I
Speaker 2: just hadn't. I just happened to not have. But it's
Speaker 2: been great financially truly, and and I do think the
Speaker 2: seductive marketing, the way the store is set up, like psychologically,
Speaker 2: to give you these like little dopamine hits based on
Speaker 2: like the products they sell, it really is all seductive.
Speaker 2: And to break ourselves of that that sort of like
Speaker 2: spell that they had us under, I feel like there's
Speaker 2: nothing but good from that.
Speaker 3: Target has had suburban moms in a choke hold for.
Speaker 2: Years listen and I and I was one, but no longer.
Speaker 2: I feel like I woken up at the end of
Speaker 2: Barbie like America. Frea just came to me and gave
Speaker 2: me a pep talk, and I'm like, you're right, I
Speaker 2: hate Target. Powerful shoulders, yes, but I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: front though, y'all. Okay, so what I happen. I did
Speaker 2: end up at the mall on Friday. But here's what happened.
Speaker 2: What happened was my good friend and of all the days.
Speaker 2: But anyway, in the evening, I'm recuperating. I get an
Speaker 2: emergency call my friend Jess. She needs a gown for
Speaker 2: an event, Jack and Jill. Jack and Jill is an
Speaker 2: iconic nonprofit that you know does all kinds of increble work.
Speaker 2: You can talk about the very blackly black but black. Okay,
Speaker 2: she's going to the gala. The dress doesn't fit. Okay,
Speaker 2: we need to go to Nordstrum. She wants to know
Speaker 2: if I want to ride with her. I haven't seen
Speaker 2: her in a while, y'all. I miss my friend Jess.
Speaker 2: So of course I say yes, let's go on the
Speaker 2: way there. I'm like, holy what where are you taking me?
Speaker 2: We're not supposed to be doing this. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, but the event is tomorrow. I gotta go.
Speaker 2: But I was like, well, I'm not spending any money.
Speaker 2: But I went with her and watched her. And technically
Speaker 2: she didn't spend money either, because she just exchanged she
Speaker 2: had already bought. It was just a little even exchange.
Speaker 2: But wouldn't you know, the checkout girl recognized me. She's like,
Speaker 2: are you on Instagram? Money?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 2: no no no. I carry a pocket NDA. Don't you
Speaker 2: know that? So I was like, you need to sign
Speaker 2: this or I'm just kidding. It's just a little like,
Speaker 2: you know, a little electronic signature right here, Thank you very.
Speaker 3: Much, put her phone and recorded no, no.
Speaker 2: No, no no. She was so sweet, but she yeah, she
Speaker 2: was so sweet. I was like, please, don't tell anybody else.
Speaker 2: But I didn't spend any money. I did not, but
Speaker 2: it was yeah, so that was my.
Speaker 3: Nobody really spent any money. I would just run in
Speaker 3: an errand. And it happened to the mall, Okay, you
Speaker 3: know what.
Speaker 2: I support this and all the staff are women of color,
Speaker 2: as we typically do hold up the companies that are
Speaker 2: run by a billionaire white guys. So and they were
Speaker 2: so sweet. It was actually kind of fun being at
Speaker 2: I haven't been to the mall on a Friday night.
Speaker 2: When's the last time y'all went to the mall on
Speaker 2: a Friday?
Speaker 5: Period?
Speaker 3: Was the mall period? I'm in there a long time period?
Speaker 2: But was it like crowded?
Speaker 3: Because I feel like everybody was assuming that because it
Speaker 3: was black on Friday, or everybody was gonna do the
Speaker 3: boycott and it wasn't gonna be anybody in stores. But
Speaker 3: then there was a post being like and that doesn't
Speaker 3: really always work out that way because the people who
Speaker 3: actively are against this stuff double down and show up
Speaker 3: to shop. So is that like what was the vibe
Speaker 3: in person?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What were the numbers like?
Speaker 2: Well, at nord Stream, it was kind of popping. I
Speaker 2: mean there was probably like a dozen people shopping, which
Speaker 2: it was eight pm. I mean it was close to
Speaker 2: closing time. I don't know. But it's also I think
Speaker 2: but there were like mothers of the bride, you know,
Speaker 2: brothers of the groom. They were getting their dresses for
Speaker 2: their springtime wedding. So I didn't have fault them. But
Speaker 2: also it's I live in Westchester. It's not a lot
Speaker 2: of us out here anyway. It's pretty white, honestly them all.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The people at the perfume counters. I
Speaker 2: could tell they were all like really wanting people, like
Speaker 2: please come buy something, you pot some pants, you want
Speaker 2: some crystal, you want like a thousand dollars Chanel bag. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: thank you. But it was nice to walk around with
Speaker 2: a friend. We did see We saw one group of
Speaker 2: young girls, maybe like teenage girls, like four of them
Speaker 2: in a pack kind of like hanging out and that
Speaker 2: was cute. But it's just no, I didn't have friends,
Speaker 2: and I was called no, maybe I didn't to my
Speaker 2: childhood trauma. Yeah, it took me right back. No, I
Speaker 2: didn't have friends.
Speaker 3: Well, they want to be friends with you now.
Speaker 2: Don't think I didn't peak too soon. I made all
Speaker 2: my friends in college. I moved a lot. It was
Speaker 2: hard to make friends, you know. Just whatever.
Speaker 3: But if we're chatting, we should mention the sixtieth anniversary
Speaker 3: of Ployee Sunday, which is coming up.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you early March.
Speaker 3: And you know, I just I keep thinking it was
Speaker 3: like maybe twenty fifteen. Yeah, twenty fifteen was the fiftieth,
Speaker 3: twenty five sixtieth that makes sense mathematically, twenty fifteen that
Speaker 3: picture of Obama, you know, Michelle and Barack holding hands
Speaker 3: with John Lewis and crossing the bridge and just like
Speaker 3: obviously Amelia Boytman was there too, and their daughter Sasha
Speaker 3: and Melia and just like that whole line. I just
Speaker 3: have that picture in my mind, that photo of them
Speaker 3: holding hands crossing that bridge fifty years later, and the
Speaker 3: fact that Miliebourne was still alive at that time. She
Speaker 3: died later that year.
Speaker 2: But like John Lewis too, and John Lewis too, let
Speaker 2: me just google. Let's see if Trump is on the
Speaker 2: Edmund Pettist Bridge at all. He ain't going nowhere near
Speaker 2: see you gonna Yeah, nope, nothing, couldn't couldn't, couldn't see
Speaker 2: it interesting. But let's we will pull up that picture
Speaker 2: of the Obamas.
Speaker 3: So beautiful, y'all, and the fact that all of the
Speaker 3: important people that needed to be there were there, and
Speaker 3: it was fifty years and that, and it's just sad
Speaker 3: now to think that just ten years later we have
Speaker 3: gone backwards.
Speaker 2: It feel like in some ways. In some ways, but
Speaker 2: I do want to call out, you know, ten years ago,
Speaker 2: what wasn't around was this news organization called the Nineteenth
Speaker 2: which I've had Aaron Haynes, one of the they called them,
Speaker 2: says the founding mothers, the founding mother of Aaron Haynes
Speaker 2: something on the show a couple of times. I'm going
Speaker 2: to post the link to this article that I just
Speaker 2: thought was beautiful, a beautiful way to honor the women
Speaker 2: behind the movement as well. So the Nineteenth News dot
Speaker 2: org is where you can find it. They have an
Speaker 2: article called flowers for the unsung Black women of Bloody Sunday,
Speaker 2: black women fed, protected, and housed the activists who traveled
Speaker 2: to Selma, Alabama in March nineteen sixty five to demonstrate
Speaker 2: for voting rights. Here are their stories. And that was
Speaker 2: written by threejournalist Alexis Frey, Eden Turner, Sabrine Da Wood
Speaker 2: Da Wood. Sorry mispronounce that And this article just came
Speaker 2: out when we're recording this show. But it's it's a
Speaker 2: beautiful It reminds me like why I got into journalism
Speaker 2: is to tell stories like this and some of the
Speaker 2: archival photos they shared beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's so important, it's so important to keep telling the
Speaker 3: history because obviously some people are fighting to not include
Speaker 3: it at all. So we have to tell it. Eight
Speaker 3: men that part retell it and retell it and tell
Speaker 3: it again. Yeah, but you know the beautiful thing that
Speaker 3: came from even though there's so much bloodshed and heartbreak
Speaker 3: on Bloody Sunday, which was early nineteen sixty five. Later
Speaker 3: that year, the civil rights movement had a huge win
Speaker 3: with the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five. So
Speaker 3: while we're here to celebrate something that obviously had a
Speaker 3: lot of stain, and it was really hard and negative.
Speaker 3: Later in I think September August, the Secember of that
Speaker 3: same year was the Voting Rights Tack, which probably most
Speaker 3: people would would say it's probably the crown jewel, biggest
Speaker 3: win of the Civil Rights Act, of the Civil rights
Speaker 3: like era, but really fighting for everybody to be able
Speaker 3: to get in particular every black person in America to
Speaker 3: be able to get egal rights to vote. But you know,
Speaker 3: I don't mean to be a Debbie downer, but just
Speaker 3: thinking about a couple of years ago when I first
Speaker 3: started doing this legislative work with financial literacy being in schools,
Speaker 3: there were like three hundred different bills, if not more,
Speaker 3: that we're trying to introduce, like rollbacks, like pulling back
Speaker 3: like basically not allowing people to register early, not allowing
Speaker 3: people to vote, to do voter registration on the day of,
Speaker 3: taking away like the fact that if you have if
Speaker 3: you don't have a photo ID, then you can't vote,
Speaker 3: Like just all kinds of shady shit that it's like,
Speaker 3: this is literally what the Voting Rights Act was.
Speaker 2: History rhymes, history rhymes truly, My.
Speaker 3: Goodness, it's so frustrating to see so that when I
Speaker 3: say like, oh, we're it feels like oftentimes like we're
Speaker 3: moving backwards. Like not to be negative, but it's just
Speaker 3: so frustrating that the not just fight the good fight,
Speaker 3: get a big win, but then keep fighting, keep fighting
Speaker 3: that same fight while fighting new fights. It's like rock
Speaker 3: come on. It's so frustrating, especially with legislative wins like that.
Speaker 3: You would think, Okay, that's the law, that's it, but
Speaker 3: amending it.
Speaker 2: Ro v Wade sounded like it was forever as a
Speaker 2: little girl growing up, and I do not little girl.
Speaker 2: I didn't really think about it then, but yeah, like
Speaker 2: you think those kinds of things are just etched and stone.
Speaker 2: I actually find it very I find it very and
Speaker 2: and you can. It's not about not being negative too.
Speaker 2: It's like being real. We got to call a spata
Speaker 2: s babe. This is the times we're in. People need
Speaker 2: to understand the severity of the situation. And I also
Speaker 2: think it's like I said before on the show, our
Speaker 2: generation we were really taught like they did it. You're
Speaker 2: this post racial you know Gen X to millennials and
Speaker 2: Gen Z and like you know, you're the next generation.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get to celebrate the fruits of our labor,
Speaker 2: and you know that's not the case. And I think
Speaker 2: that we need to quickly understand that the fight continues
Speaker 2: and we have never I'm you know, I think the
Speaker 2: policies that we were hard fought and won back in
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies, like now we're gonna have to
Speaker 2: re like go to battle again to protect them and
Speaker 2: in some ways after this challenge, when they survive, because
Speaker 2: I fully believe that they will and that we can
Speaker 2: in some shape or form way shape shape or form
Speaker 2: or fashion fight back against this, that they'll be even
Speaker 2: stronger because we have. They have been tested, battle tested,
Speaker 2: you know. And I do feel like, yeah, so I
Speaker 2: I feel not so much like I'm I'm reading a
Speaker 2: story about people that are so far removed, and it's
Speaker 2: more like I'm want I'm reading and I'm like studying, like, oh,
Speaker 2: so this is how they organized and this is what worked.
Speaker 2: And you know the fact that the Voting Rights Act happened.
Speaker 2: You think about the March on Washington being that like
Speaker 2: pivotal moment, but that was bloody Sunday was two years later,
Speaker 2: and I bet the people who marched on Washington thought, well,
Speaker 2: didn't we do it.
Speaker 3: Didn't we just deal with this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, back again, but it's back again in this brutality,
Speaker 2: and that led to the Voting Rights Act. And we
Speaker 2: I love Stacy Abrams podcast Assembly Required and really listening
Speaker 2: to her as like a voice of comfort in times
Speaker 2: like this. Tasty comes back. Come back to Brannon Bish.
Speaker 2: We miss you. She's so great, and her whole you know,
Speaker 2: mission to for voter against voter suppression in Georgia where
Speaker 2: she tried and failed to become the first woman and
Speaker 2: first African American woman governor, was really eye opening and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just glad you brought that up you in Ellie,
Speaker 2: because I feel like those basic rights that we can
Speaker 2: take for granted are so flimsy in reality.
Speaker 3: Ye, stay vigilant.
Speaker 1: It just shows how important it is to vote right
Speaker 1: and why it's so significant that we make sure we
Speaker 1: turn out for all elections, the small ones and big ones,
Speaker 1: because if it wasn't important, they wouldn't be trying to
Speaker 1: find all these ways to reduce it and take away
Speaker 1: the right and make it as difficult as possible. Like
Speaker 1: why why is voting day election day not a national holiday?
Speaker 1: Why doesn't everyone have that day off of work, Like
Speaker 1: if it wasn't so important, they wouldn't be trying to
Speaker 1: make it so difficult. So I think it's just even
Speaker 1: more encouragement to make sure you're on it, know what's
Speaker 1: going on locally, and turn out for those things, because
Speaker 1: like both of you were saying before, like you know,
Speaker 1: barely one shows up for those elections, so your vote
Speaker 1: really matters in those. You have so much more weight
Speaker 1: when you show up to even the small ones that
Speaker 1: can make an impact on your local community.
Speaker 3: That's right, And some of them are coming up real soon.
Speaker 3: So y'all need to check check your local elections and
Speaker 3: see what's happening and tune in and show up because
Speaker 3: this is the only way. Like, if they know that
Speaker 3: you're not paying attention, that's when they pounce, right, So
Speaker 3: we have to be real, real vigilant.
Speaker 2: What else is happening? Oh, you know this morning I
Speaker 2: had I was kind of like super sad this morning
Speaker 2: and I had to journal about it and I couldn't
Speaker 2: figure out why. One. I think because I'm sleep deprived.
Speaker 2: Last night was rough with with the kids were just
Speaker 2: like not having it. We ended up sleeping like survivors
Speaker 2: of a catastrophe in the same bed, just like me
Speaker 2: and my husband clinging to one side. Anyway, So sleepy
Speaker 2: being sleep, sleepy, being sleepy sleep. Oh god, it's not
Speaker 2: well mourning for you. I'm still on it at two
Speaker 2: pm Eastern time. Yeah, anyway, I had to. So I
Speaker 2: have been in this group therapy that I've been doing
Speaker 2: every Thursday since last May. It's called dialectical behavioral therapy
Speaker 2: if you'll ever heard of it. It's like the sister
Speaker 2: to CBT, which is like the typical cognitive behavioral therapy
Speaker 2: where you try to change the thoughts that are causing
Speaker 2: you distress. But DBT and DBT was something that was
Speaker 2: new to me, and I also group therapy was like
Speaker 2: new to me in general. Yeah where you at and
Speaker 2: I was. I always thought of it as like you
Speaker 2: sort of see like alcoholics anonymous they're in a group together,
Speaker 2: but then you don't know each other. It's anonymous, right,
Speaker 2: so you don't but it's in a group. And anyway,
Speaker 2: doctor Joy from Therapy for Black Girls opened me up
Speaker 2: to that idea that you could be in a group
Speaker 2: and actually find that useful speaking with other people. And
Speaker 2: so anyway, long story short, I got into this weekly
Speaker 2: therapy DBT, but it's meant to be temporary. It's meant
Speaker 2: to be like, I think, four months at a stint,
Speaker 2: and so I had renewed it, so I went through
Speaker 2: like eight months and I graduate March thirteenth, and so
Speaker 2: my yeah, my graduation.
Speaker 4: I'm sad.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna miss it, you know, genuinely, because it really
Speaker 2: gave one. There's like people in the group of a
Speaker 2: small group is like six of us, but it really
Speaker 2: it just humanizes people who are struggling with certain you know,
Speaker 2: just challenges. I mean, the world is really freaking hard
Speaker 2: to cope with. And when you're someone who feels things
Speaker 2: really deeply at a time like this, pray for your
Speaker 2: impaths in life. And I just really found the tools useful.
Speaker 2: And so if you're someone out there who's really struggling
Speaker 2: with like really big feelings and it's causing you like anxiety, depression,
Speaker 2: it's interfering with your life, it's interfering with your relationships.
Speaker 2: I can't recommend DBT group therapy enough, honestly. So, and
Speaker 2: it's widespread, so you could find, you know, a group
Speaker 2: that probably meets near you that the person who runs
Speaker 2: the group told me that I need to get my
Speaker 2: together and get my get my one on one individual
Speaker 2: therapists set up. I've been dragging my feet because my
Speaker 2: therapist who I work with for like four or five years,
Speaker 2: she went back to work at a hospital. She's working
Speaker 2: with recovering mothers postpartum, which is amazing. I tried out
Speaker 2: another therapist. It didn't work. I wasn't a fan like
Speaker 2: it was weren't bang. I don't know. So I've been
Speaker 2: therapists therapist lists for two months now, which is the
Speaker 2: longest I've gone in a long time.
Speaker 1: I got well.
Speaker 2: I've always had DBT, so they've been my support.
Speaker 3: But I feel like you need like a therapist be dating.
Speaker 2: I know, it's it's I haven't been in this position
Speaker 2: in a while, like where you've had to shop for
Speaker 2: your therapist. So I have a consultation on Thursday.
Speaker 3: Okay, we take a step.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean it is like dating trying to find
Speaker 1: a therapist, right, you don't know, you like that personality,
Speaker 1: You you got stuff that you can talk about. They
Speaker 1: can relate and connect to what you're talking about in
Speaker 1: your life. It's it's work.
Speaker 2: I did not you know, I'm just like the last
Speaker 2: guy he was a white dude. I did not enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I don't think I can. I don't. I mean, I
Speaker 2: didn't want it to be like that because he actually
Speaker 2: wrote a book that I found at the library and
Speaker 2: I found did the book really fascinating? And I found
Speaker 2: him interesting and he lived locally to me, so I
Speaker 2: went and found him and I was like, I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: Beg my therapist. He's like, WHOA three people have read
Speaker 2: this book, and like anyway, but yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it was I thought, and this is the thing, like you,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Chris, do you mind saying if your
Speaker 2: therapist is.
Speaker 1: A guy or woman, it's a woman. My current therapist, Okay,
Speaker 1: how is that for you?
Speaker 2: She a woman of color, white lady.
Speaker 1: She is a white woman who was recommended to me
Speaker 1: originally was a man. But my therapist passed away.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, because you know obviously that gona tell
Speaker 1: you everything about their own lives. But I could tell
Speaker 1: he was dealing with something, and I remember he had
Speaker 1: missed a couple of appointments and then he sent me
Speaker 1: this this long message about like how he's in hospice care.
Speaker 1: So what ended up happening was he connected me with
Speaker 1: the other therapist who was in his office, So that's
Speaker 1: how I ended up with her. But she's been great
Speaker 1: cause she was written. My original recommendation from someone was her.
Speaker 1: She was fool so she recommended me to him and
Speaker 1: then he balanced me back. But that's how I ended
Speaker 1: up with that. But she's she's amazing. She's she's also
Speaker 1: a podcaster, so she understands this life that I'm living Okay,
Speaker 1: really great. I've been with it for probably what I
Speaker 1: don't even know, two three years something.
Speaker 2: Like that, though, talkid that gives me hope. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: not just because he was a dude. I just kept
Speaker 2: looking at him and being like, well, no, I just
Speaker 2: don't feel like being my full authentic self here and
Speaker 2: it probably has to do with me, but anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: on that journey.
Speaker 3: The cause of it doesn't matter. It's the existence of.
Speaker 2: It that matters. Yeah, And he totally understood that, and
Speaker 2: like we kind of like touched on it because I
Speaker 2: was like after the election, I was like, you got
Speaker 2: to tell me who you voted for because I don't
Speaker 2: think I can talk to you. I know it shouldn't matter,
Speaker 2: but it matters. He's like, he's like, okay, yes I
Speaker 2: voted for Kamala and I was like, okay, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't enough. So I'm on that journey, y'an, Ellie. Do
Speaker 2: you have any have you ever been in therapy or yeah?
Speaker 3: I was doing therapy for like six years right after undergrad.
Speaker 3: It was rough transitioning back home home from being like
Speaker 3: independent and then being back under my parents' roof. And
Speaker 3: they had all these expectations and I was like, uh,
Speaker 3: I got multiple degrees. Now, don't tell me what this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I had Yeah I did that about
Speaker 3: six years of therapy, but I haven't had a therapist
Speaker 3: in a few years now.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just write a lot and just go to the gym.
Speaker 2: That's my therapy.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: What I never really grasped as a concept is that
Speaker 2: therapy is not meant to be permanent. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: meant to be for a long term thing.
Speaker 3: Though, because I was trying to do it for like
Speaker 3: two or three years, I ended up doing it for
Speaker 3: six years. And I do not regret that. I think
Speaker 3: I really needed it to go into my thirties like
Speaker 3: I was not. I was not capable of doing that
Speaker 3: on my own without like really having a place to
Speaker 3: go release and just honestly getting so much advice about
Speaker 3: how poorly I was doing at communicating. That was my
Speaker 3: biggest thing that I got from therapy, was like, you know,
Speaker 3: I would I don't know, like dumb shit too. Like
Speaker 3: I remember that I was planning this girl's trip and
Speaker 3: I had a friend and she was like going through
Speaker 3: something and she loves the job. She was going through
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, and so I was planning this
Speaker 3: girl strip I just felt so bad. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to like tell her, Hey, I know you just lost
Speaker 3: your job, but like we're plying this girl's trip, you know,
Speaker 3: if you get swinging like and so I just didn't
Speaker 3: mention it to her. And then she found out through
Speaker 3: another friend that I was planning this girl's trip, and
Speaker 3: then she wasn't invited. And it's like, dude, if that
Speaker 3: was happening to me right now, I would literally just
Speaker 3: message her and be like I do not want to
Speaker 3: be insensitive at all, but I want you to feel
Speaker 3: welcome and invited. So if you can swing it calm,
Speaker 3: you're definitely invited. We want you there, but if not,
Speaker 3: I totally understand as well. Because I know what's going
Speaker 3: on with you personally, no pressureable like that is. All
Speaker 3: you have to do is just communicate, and I wasn't
Speaker 3: doing that. You avoid, Yeah, so I think therapy helped me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and something that we don't teach too, Like I feel
Speaker 3: like when you're in school, or even when you're in college,
Speaker 3: no matter enough, nobody teaches you how to communicate clearly
Speaker 3: and effectively. So that was a huge takeaway from me
Speaker 3: for therapy.
Speaker 2: It was like it was me.
Speaker 3: The root of it was me. I wasn't communicating well,
Speaker 3: I'm them seriously.
Speaker 1: I have a measure. There's like because you know, let's
Speaker 1: do a good job getting personal finance into schools. Imagine
Speaker 1: if there's like a semester of like therapy, like group
Speaker 1: therapy for real life skills. That's the stuff you need,
Speaker 1: right because a bunch of unlike adults who can't function
Speaker 1: because we don't know how to do this stuff and
Speaker 1: we're out of struggling and scrambling, that'd be great to
Speaker 1: at least get a little something under a belt before you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there actually is some DBT curriculum in schools, Like
Speaker 2: there is a movement to get yeah, to teach young kids.
Speaker 2: And you know what's crazy is like all of the lessons.
Speaker 2: When I say big feelings, that's commonly you'll hear that
Speaker 2: phrase among parents, and like parents, psychologists or kids psychologists
Speaker 2: for everyon want to call them about how to help
Speaker 2: kids manage their big feelings. And that's all DBT is.
Speaker 2: It's literally for adults, and I too need to learn
Speaker 2: how to take some deep breaths and learn how to
Speaker 2: cope with big uncomfortable. It's just that the feelings and
Speaker 2: the stakes are so much higher when you have grown
Speaker 2: up problems. Yes, you know, I can't have a melt
Speaker 2: down in the middle of target. I you know, it's
Speaker 2: it looks different for me and a bigger and so yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm learning so much and it's making me a better
Speaker 2: mom and I'm I'm learning. I'm like, oh, I was
Speaker 2: never I really was never taught. I was like, you
Speaker 2: had to I'm gonna say, please, don't sing, please don't
Speaker 2: sing frozen, don't do it, don't do it, don't concealed,
Speaker 2: don't feel I didn't sing it. I just said it
Speaker 2: conceal the feelings. And it was really hard and to
Speaker 2: be strong and to like and nothing ever bothers her
Speaker 2: and like that kind of thing, and that was a
Speaker 2: good tool. We learned that it was a good tool
Speaker 2: for them, but not so much for now. And anyway,
Speaker 2: it makes me excited because I'm like, oh man, I'm
Speaker 2: giving this kid the best shot. It's not just about
Speaker 2: giving him money, and you know, yeah, loving household is
Speaker 2: important too, but like really preparing them to be humans
Speaker 2: in this kind of world. I just am so proud
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna hopefully it'll stick, hopefully he'll take it
Speaker 2: with him. Like that's the.
Speaker 3: Proudest thing that you can feel as an adult who
Speaker 3: raised children. Whether like for me it's I'm in an
Speaker 3: antique capacity, I'm like the favorite thea, but it's really
Speaker 3: like showing them what emotional regulation looks like and sounds
Speaker 3: like and feels like and being a role model for
Speaker 3: them in that way, because the worst people who have
Speaker 3: been the most toxic in my life have been people
Speaker 3: who just did not have any emotional regulation skills, Like
Speaker 3: they just could not cope with emotions, they didn't know how,
Speaker 3: they take it all out on other people or just
Speaker 3: you know, let it fester until they exploded. And that's
Speaker 3: just horrible to be around. And also I'm sure it
Speaker 3: feels horrible to be that person too, so I'm sure
Speaker 3: they want to relieve from it. They you know, we
Speaker 3: just don't. We don't have a way. And I don't
Speaker 3: know when that transition happens. I was gonna say earlier,
Speaker 3: like at some point like you're like, oh, you're young,
Speaker 3: you're young, you could get away with this or that,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, one day you wake
Speaker 3: up and Nope, you're not young anymore. And now anything
Speaker 3: you do is like the expectation is that you're a
Speaker 3: grown ass adult and you're supposed to have that you
Speaker 3: figured out?
Speaker 2: Yeah when?
Speaker 4: Like when?
Speaker 5: And how?
Speaker 3: I just yeah, so much pressure?
Speaker 4: So I do.
Speaker 3: I love that you're doing that with your kids, Mandy,
Speaker 3: because that's like probably the most important thing you could
Speaker 3: give them. Money comes and goes. You know, success is
Speaker 3: defined differently, it's all subjective, but that emotion regulation and
Speaker 3: the ability to cope with what you're dealing with emotion
Speaker 3: inside of yourself and treating and just being a good
Speaker 3: human being who can manage that is literally the best
Speaker 3: gift you can give them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because life is nothing but a serious of relationships, right,
Speaker 1: and you got to know how to manage that and
Speaker 1: relate to people and deal with conflict constantly. It never
Speaker 1: stops happening, and setting their kids up.
Speaker 3: And trying so hard and so dobly important.
Speaker 2: I truly feel the weight of responsibility to create a
Speaker 2: Women's History Month, especially to create boys who are not toxic.
Speaker 2: And I've said that before, but I genuinely like it's
Speaker 2: so much I try to put just like they have
Speaker 2: to love themselves and be strong and be proud to
Speaker 2: be Dominican, but also know they have a black from
Speaker 2: the South mama, and also like understand like my culture
Speaker 2: and their culture and speak Spanish but you know, also
Speaker 2: be able to speak. And it's just as a lot,
Speaker 2: a lot. I'm doing my best, so thank you for
Speaker 2: giving me. It's a it's a big responsiblit, but hey,
Speaker 2: I had these kids, so that's what I signed up for,
Speaker 2: is how I feel. That's right.
Speaker 3: Well, the mom was out there listening. We know it's
Speaker 3: a lot, but that's what you signed up, what.
Speaker 2: We signed up for, literally creating the future.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Well, Chris, what's your update over there? How's things going?
Speaker 1: No, it's going well. I gotta say I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be healthier. Now, I've been in San Francisco, so I'm
Speaker 1: doing a ton of walking. I didn't bring my car
Speaker 1: with me. I'm living that you took over to the gym.
Speaker 3: Hard life.
Speaker 1: She went to the gym. I've been walking. I was
Speaker 1: walking like eighteen thousand steps past two days. I remember
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, I was the heaviest I'd ever gotten.
Speaker 1: She didn't get to see that face. She skipped out
Speaker 1: on all that will no way.
Speaker 2: Picture those hybernating bears. Fifteen. Well, I had COVID plus
Speaker 2: a newborn. I can't even I'm like unrecognizable to myself.
Speaker 2: I'm on that journey too.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I just started the GPL gp L one injections, the
Speaker 2: weight loss medicine, like I just started one. It's the
Speaker 2: megalitudegalitude that everything that you would work for me before
Speaker 2: no longer works postpartum, two babies in I guess, and
Speaker 2: being in my late thirties now, so I have admitted
Speaker 2: that I needed a little extra boost, So I'll let
Speaker 2: y'all know how that goes. I just did my first
Speaker 2: little injection on Saturday. So this is fresh, okay, we
Speaker 2: very fresh for you? Well fingers crumb, but I will
Speaker 2: be walking and eating right too, not just taking that
Speaker 2: doing the shots. Yeah, all right, Well should we take
Speaker 2: a little break and come back with brown boost, brown break.
Speaker 1: Let's do it?
Speaker 2: Just do we? All right? Be right backba fams, All right,
Speaker 2: we are back. We're gonna do brown boost brown break.
Speaker 2: And I don't need to tell y'all what that's all about.
Speaker 2: If we're boosting, we're happy about it. If we're breaking,
Speaker 2: we could use less of it. Like we're done, we're
Speaker 2: fed up. Who wants to go first? Oh?
Speaker 3: I can go first. I mentioned a little bit about
Speaker 3: what I'm doing this week for work, but the brown
Speaker 3: boost for me is I am hopping on a plane
Speaker 3: to go to Denver, Colorado, to testify and support of
Speaker 3: a bill there that is proposing that we require financial
Speaker 3: literacy in every public school in the state of Colorado.
Speaker 3: And the cool thing about the Colorado specifically is that
Speaker 3: Denver Public Schools is a really large urban district and
Speaker 3: they've already done this. So like a lot of the
Speaker 3: people who are like, oh, we can't do it, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be too difficult, the scheduling, the this, the that,
Speaker 3: and then it's like, well, actually, just take a look
Speaker 3: at Denver public schools. They've already been doing it. So
Speaker 3: you have a model for how to do it right here.
Speaker 3: So there's really no excuse and that has really been helpful.
Speaker 2: Good for you, you getting miles for all this traveling.
Speaker 2: You could tease your.
Speaker 3: Own I love my old job. I had to book
Speaker 3: with the company.
Speaker 2: But this is that's annoying putting it all on my car.
Speaker 2: I think they get that now. They want you to
Speaker 2: like get the points. Yes it's so great, but yes,
Speaker 2: also your your public advocacy and all that work is amazing.
Speaker 3: It is all of it great.
Speaker 1: It's incredible.
Speaker 2: All right, Chris, I'm putting you in the hot seat
Speaker 2: because my break is going to be a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: Okay, well mind beah. So uh, you know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a boost this week. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that kind of led me to move it up here
Speaker 1: to San Francisco was to be in a more like
Speaker 1: social environment. I feel like at home so isolated because
Speaker 1: you know, and like everything so far. So people are
Speaker 1: like I might find to sit in traffic to come
Speaker 1: hang out with you, and I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to drive an hour and a half it comes to you,
Speaker 1: so you just don't do it like terrible. But here
Speaker 1: everything is so much easier to get around. People end
Speaker 1: up doing things together a lot more often. And so Berna, Berna,
Speaker 1: and that who you've had here, Hey Berna. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: I don't know if she wants me to talk about
Speaker 1: this mo I'm talking. But anyways, she was in a
Speaker 1: sketch writing program and so she because Berna's hilarious somebody.
Speaker 2: She is that makes me so happy.
Speaker 1: Yes, the funniest people I've ever met. And so she's
Speaker 1: in this program and at the end of this course,
Speaker 1: they actually write these, uh, these sketches and then they
Speaker 1: get performed by actors at a local little comedy spot here,
Speaker 1: and so it's like down the street, went over there
Speaker 1: and we got to meet up with her, her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: some of her friends and I know too, I've become
Speaker 1: friends with and we all got together and we watched
Speaker 1: her some of her skits, and then our sketches and
Speaker 1: some of the other sketches of the other people in
Speaker 1: the program get performed. And it was hilarious, let me
Speaker 1: tell you, because you know, I was nervous going in.
Speaker 1: You know, you go, I'm going to support a friend,
Speaker 1: but you don't know it. Yeah, you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're getting into.
Speaker 2: It really could.
Speaker 1: It was so good. It was so good.
Speaker 2: Murna's did she performed or she wrote the sketch?
Speaker 1: Yeah, performed? Men done this. But they had this really
Speaker 1: great group of this like improv group that was up
Speaker 1: there that they just got the scripts that day and
Speaker 1: like right before they got there, and they had the
Speaker 1: scripts out obviously because they didn't memorize them, and we're
Speaker 1: going through performing the one by one and they were
Speaker 1: killing it. The sketches that they wrote were so hilarious
Speaker 1: that it was Bernard had had us dying up there.
Speaker 1: So I was that's my boots because that was so
Speaker 1: fun to get to support a friend. But I also
Speaker 1: get to see their work and it'd be like amazing,
Speaker 1: like because of course it would be amazing if bern
Speaker 1: is doing it. But yeah, that was my boost because
Speaker 1: I had a great time. It was It was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that you make me want to doing
Speaker 3: the work to build your own community.
Speaker 2: I love it and moving to where you have that
Speaker 2: community support because yeah, I missed those days. It was
Speaker 2: so much easier. I can still get down to the
Speaker 2: city and see people. But yeah, it's definitely it's just easy,
Speaker 2: easy and free, and I'm happy that you got to
Speaker 2: be there to support her. We love you Berner the best.
Speaker 2: I will say, Chris, I don't compliment you often, except
Speaker 2: I did compliment your shirt. I do like it.
Speaker 1: I was shocked. I was waiting for the inside.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the first time I noticed
Speaker 2: dudes to wear like something besides a T shirt or
Speaker 2: like a button down. I do notice, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh interesting. I'm always like plucking out little ideas for
Speaker 2: for bay. But what was I gonna say nice about you?
Speaker 1: Clearly mean it. You already forget like a well.
Speaker 2: Rounded dude, I will say, like you do. You're doing
Speaker 2: the work, You're like getting well rounded. You're getting the
Speaker 2: health and lifestyle, you got the mental health aspect, and
Speaker 2: you recognize the importance of friends and relationships and those
Speaker 2: are not things that you know we can't like take
Speaker 2: for granted. Just men. That's your prioritizing. I mean, and
Speaker 2: you could just answer for answer for all of them.
Speaker 2: It's Women's History Month. What can I say and march
Speaker 2: just say yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am, yes, that's the energy.
Speaker 2: I really did, your highness, I thank you because I
Speaker 2: am so high on a pedestal. Oh god, I want
Speaker 2: to get to my boost because this is going to
Speaker 2: be a special one. I have a book here, can
Speaker 2: you see it? I have my blur thing on. So
Speaker 2: this book is called Flip the Table, speaking of activists,
Speaker 2: Yan Elliott. No it's not here. Yeah, I'll put it
Speaker 2: on the screen because that's so annoying. So this is
Speaker 2: called Flip the Table, The Everyday Disruptor's Guide to finding
Speaker 2: courage and making change. It is by Alencia Johnson, whose
Speaker 2: name y'all may not recognize, but who has been behind
Speaker 2: some of the you know, most consequential elections and election
Speaker 2: campaigns of our time. I am going to roll right now,
Speaker 2: even though you and Chris you're not gonna be able
Speaker 2: to hear it. I'm going to do a quick little
Speaker 2: interview with the author, Alencia Johnson, and air that so
Speaker 2: that y'all can hear about this book. You can't plan
Speaker 2: when to have books like this get published, but I
Speaker 2: just can't think of a better time because this is
Speaker 2: like probably four years in the making, and for it
Speaker 2: to come out right now, it's just such good timing
Speaker 2: and she's going to be on tour. So if y'all
Speaker 2: want to go to flipthetablesbook dot com.
Speaker 3: I love it. I'm so excited to read this. I'm
Speaker 3: just adding into my book list right now, Flip the Tables.
Speaker 2: Love it, can't wait, can't wait to have her on
Speaker 2: And you guys are going to hear a little bit
Speaker 2: from her now and then go run out and get
Speaker 2: the copy of her book because it is so important
Speaker 2: to support our writers who actually get on the shelves
Speaker 2: because they don't often look like us. All right, the
Speaker 2: a fam. I am really excited to share this week's
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Speaker 2: especially at a time like this. The book is called
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Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Why we were just talking a little bit about this,
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Speaker 2: the CFPB her baby, I'm just distraught, all right, Focus
Speaker 2: Mandy and President Barack Obama. In addition to her work
Speaker 2: with leading advocacy group, she's regularly seen on MSNBC, CNN, ABC,
Speaker 2: She's been featured all over the media, and she's a
Speaker 2: proud member of the Delta Sigma Theta. So we're already.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. If I could go back and pledge,
Speaker 2: I think I'd be a Delta. I think I'm old
Speaker 2: enough now to choose. I wasn't sure in college. Yeah,
Speaker 2: choose when all my favorite. I mean no offense, but
Speaker 2: like I'm not even I can't do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get in trouble. All my favorites are Delta's. Is that
Speaker 2: why you're so amazing? I just something about y'all. You're
Speaker 2: just I mean, I don't want to like create a monolith,
Speaker 2: but just genuinely approachable, kind, good hearted, but still badass.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Yeah, it's about that business. Well,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show, Alensia. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: joining on Brown Ambition and being my boost.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me and reading the book and
Speaker 5: being like creating the space for me to have this conversation.
Speaker 2: Can you believe it's out in the world.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it is my baby that came to me.
Speaker 4: We were talking a little bit about the pandemic. It
Speaker 4: came to me in that early pandemic haze and it
Speaker 4: is finally here, which is so wild.
Speaker 2: What I like about the book as you start by
Speaker 2: talking about how we can be, how we need to
Speaker 2: learn how to disrupt ourselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 4: In all of my career from presidential campaigns to working
Speaker 4: for a planned parentheads national office, and I was constantly
Speaker 4: getting the question of how do I create more impact
Speaker 4: in the world and how do I have more courage
Speaker 4: like you and be brave like you? And I was like, hmm,
Speaker 4: I actually don't see myself as this way. I just
Speaker 4: have found myself moving through the world and the way
Speaker 4: that God has led me to. But I was also
Speaker 4: feeling a bit stuck, like having all of these accolades
Speaker 4: and all these positions, and I was like, well, then
Speaker 4: why do I feel so stuck If I'm this person
Speaker 4: that people are looking to for guidance and courage, but
Speaker 4: me myself, I can't get out of my own way.
Speaker 4: What's happening here? And who am I holding back in
Speaker 4: myself and others by not really living out my dreams?
Speaker 4: And then I realized that it is so connected to
Speaker 4: our community and advancing our community, and so look, Mandy,
Speaker 4: I had to sit with myself and really sit with
Speaker 4: the things that I had been running from, the things
Speaker 4: that I talked about in therapy, the things I had
Speaker 4: like all the theory for I'm a virgo in four houses,
Speaker 4: like I can theorize everything.
Speaker 2: Okay, nobody knows they're signed like a virgo knows their
Speaker 2: sign exactly.
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, Hey, girl, you got to feel
Speaker 4: these things, you got to go through these things, and
Speaker 4: how connected the going through was connected to me living
Speaker 4: and my purpose.
Speaker 5: And so it really showed me that in order for
Speaker 5: us to show.
Speaker 4: Up in our community is the way that we're supposed
Speaker 4: to to do the thing that God has called us
Speaker 4: to do in the world, We've got to actually first
Speaker 4: be who were called to be. And in order to
Speaker 4: get there, we got to face the mirror quite a bit,
Speaker 4: and we got to, you know, acknowledge sometimes the red
Speaker 4: flag is you, but also sometimes we have to figure
Speaker 4: out how to answer the question. There's a whole chapter
Speaker 4: in there, and I love it so much because it
Speaker 4: reads me for filth, but it pushes you to answer
Speaker 4: the question who are we? Unattached to our resumes and accolades,
Speaker 4: Like literally, who are we?
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear, you know, as I'm writing
Speaker 2: my book to my editor and I have been working
Speaker 2: closely on like just making sure that I'm oozing off
Speaker 2: the page, which is not hard to do because I
Speaker 2: love just writing with my authentic voice. But something that
Speaker 2: really is apparent to me is your faith, and your
Speaker 2: faith is so grounded in this book. I mean, you
Speaker 2: open up the book talking a little bit about your faith.
Speaker 2: And then the epilogue again you acknowledge, you know, if
Speaker 2: Jesus can get up and keep moving, then so can we,
Speaker 2: And can you talk a little bit about Well, do
Speaker 2: I want to skip to faith yet?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I want to backtrack because I'm the boss, because I
Speaker 2: want to know what were those things in therapy that
Speaker 2: you were battling and what do you mean you were stuck?
Speaker 2: Do you mean like career wise?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was a combination of things, right, it was so
Speaker 4: on the personal front. I was in the middle of
Speaker 4: a move at the beginning of the pandemic. It was
Speaker 4: right when Senator Elizabeth Warren ended her presidential campaign and
Speaker 4: the beginning of this global pandemic.
Speaker 5: Senator Elizabeth Warren's campaign was my last.
Speaker 4: Like actual like W two job, And so I was
Speaker 4: sitting there kind of fun employed, as I called it
Speaker 4: that after like the Obama campaign when I was in
Speaker 4: my twenties, but in your thirties it's fun?
Speaker 5: Is that as fun? It's not as cute anymore?
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah.
Speaker 5: So after about a few weeks of like, okay, what
Speaker 5: are we doing?
Speaker 4: I was like, do I want to go out of
Speaker 4: my own do I want to go back and house somewhere,
Speaker 4: Do I want to take this job on the Biden campaign?
Speaker 4: Like what do I want to do for myself? But
Speaker 4: I was also still conflicted with feeling as though I
Speaker 4: had to do what everyone else measured success to be.
Speaker 4: At the same time, Mandy, I was still dealing with
Speaker 4: a lot in my personal life. I was I picked
Speaker 4: up some weight and some unhealthy habits on a campaign,
Speaker 4: I was cycling through situationships that there were some like
Speaker 4: friendships I needed to really reevaluate. There was some family
Speaker 4: stuff that like I was just kind of putting in
Speaker 4: the back of my mind and not really realizing how
Speaker 4: it was impacting me. And so all of these things
Speaker 4: were just bubbling up, and I took the time and
Speaker 4: that's a privilege to have the time at the beginning
Speaker 4: of the pandemic, and then to start working for myself
Speaker 4: to really work through those things and realizing that not
Speaker 4: working through those things and those feelings is what was
Speaker 4: making me feel stuck, is what was making me feel
Speaker 4: like I had to chase success on other people's terms
Speaker 4: when I didn't want to be on the booked in
Speaker 4: busy hamp Surreel anymore. I wanted to be in a
Speaker 4: position to where I work the way that I wanted to,
Speaker 4: but also, you know, set myself up well financially as
Speaker 4: well as most importantly, really tending to my personal life
Speaker 4: in a way that I'm not even gonna say I
Speaker 4: was ignoring. I was running from. And so that's why
Speaker 4: I was feeling stuck. It was a combination of so
Speaker 4: many things, and some of it really started with me
Speaker 4: having to stop being so much of a people pleaser,
Speaker 4: right because even when I announced my consultancy, I got
Speaker 4: tons of people like, Oh, You're gonna build this big agency,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't really like managing a
Speaker 4: lot of people, Like I like being creative.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's right, the magical entrepreneur we must all become
Speaker 2: when we launch our own business. Yeah, talk about that,
Speaker 2: like oh are you using this?
Speaker 5: Who are your clients?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, whoa seed funding?
Speaker 4: You want?
Speaker 2: A VC?
Speaker 4: Like what?
Speaker 2: I just got the domain? Like what do you want
Speaker 2: for me? Like Alsie Lindsay Johnson dot com. You know
Speaker 2: that's what I want for now.
Speaker 5: I'm good with my like three or four clients, Like
Speaker 5: we're good.
Speaker 4: So that's the moment like being stuck and those places
Speaker 4: that overlapped and you know, impacted each other.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that that whole expression stuck. I hear it
Speaker 2: all the time because I do a lot of work
Speaker 2: with women in their careers, and that's even a phrase
Speaker 2: I use a lot. And it's almost like, sometimes it's
Speaker 2: not that you're stuck, it's that you're kind of like
Speaker 2: on a conveyor belt that you don't know how to
Speaker 2: get off of, and it feels like like one of
Speaker 2: those walking runways and you're just stuck, like you may
Speaker 2: want to stop at the Starbucks, but you're just passing
Speaker 2: by it, and like you're on the train already versus
Speaker 2: like getting off, and it takes maybe longer, and it's
Speaker 2: more grueling, especially if you're at JFK or Atlanta Airport,
Speaker 2: you know, if I can take the analogy further, And yeah,
Speaker 2: but that walking conveyer belt, it's nice, you know where
Speaker 2: you're going, you know where the endpoint is, but it
Speaker 2: can be seductive. And yeah, I think honestly, your thirties
Speaker 2: is the era of getting off that conveyor belt for
Speaker 2: a lot of people and choosing the stops that you're
Speaker 2: gonna make. Okay, so you've taken us to the pandemic
Speaker 2: and now bringing it back to the book. So you're
Speaker 2: starting to disrupt yourself, and you're starting to disrupt sort
Speaker 2: of the vision that you had for yourself in your career.
Speaker 2: And then what's the next step after that? Once we
Speaker 2: sort of like get to a place where we're not
Speaker 2: afraid to shake things up personally, what's the next step
Speaker 2: for folks?
Speaker 4: Well, and that's why I figured, if we start with
Speaker 4: ourselves and you built this courage and confidence to be
Speaker 4: who you want to be, live your own vision, that
Speaker 4: kind of confidence exudes everywhere, then you're not as scared
Speaker 4: to do the interventions that are every day. So you know, obviously,
Speaker 4: in my career, I've met so many people who quit
Speaker 4: their jobs and say they're rent for office or start
Speaker 4: an organization. And I don't think change has to be
Speaker 4: all of that. And plus I don't think everybody should
Speaker 4: do that. There are some people who have and it's great,
Speaker 4: like teachers who have become elected and things like that.
Speaker 4: But quite frankly, Corey Bush is amazing, right, But then
Speaker 4: there are some people who quite frankly, they should probably
Speaker 4: stay CEOs with.
Speaker 2: These big firms, don't you wish they would stay ninety five,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Some people should just stay
Speaker 2: in your glass castle, out of our.
Speaker 5: Way, and so and so, if you're staying in your lane,
Speaker 5: what can you do? Can you figure out a way
Speaker 5: to spend your privilege?
Speaker 4: Can you figure out a way to expand your capacity
Speaker 4: for understanding humanity? And so then you're gonna look get
Speaker 4: like the immigration fight differently. You're going to look at
Speaker 4: the labor movement differently. You're going to look at these
Speaker 4: things as not necessarily huge movements that you're never going
Speaker 4: to be able to unpact, but you'll see yourself as
Speaker 4: a small part of this larger movement, right, like a
Speaker 4: small part that is necessary understanding that a thousand people
Speaker 4: doing small acts of disruption is so much more impactful
Speaker 4: than everybody sitting around waiting for that one person to
Speaker 4: take that one mantle and do everything themselves, right, and
Speaker 4: so it allows you to have the courage to in
Speaker 4: your daily life figure out ways that you can disrupt
Speaker 4: at work, with your family and with resources that quite frankly,
Speaker 4: don't cost money. It might cost you some position or privilege,
Speaker 4: or some even just discomfort, but it actually doesn't cost
Speaker 4: you a lot to actually intervene and be those daily disruptors.
Speaker 2: So you talk about in the third part of your book,
Speaker 2: Disruption of Community. I really like the part where you
Speaker 2: talk about spending your privilege. Can you talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about that.
Speaker 4: So I spent a lot of time at Plan Parent
Speaker 4: had I worked at Plan Parent's office.
Speaker 5: For six years.
Speaker 2: How are your colleagues, your former colleagues, how are they?
Speaker 5: They are going through it?
Speaker 2: They've been going through it, but even now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have been.
Speaker 4: But working at Plan Parent and the Reproductive Freedom movement,
Speaker 4: I worked with a lot of white women right, and
Speaker 4: there were a lot of conversations and I talk about
Speaker 4: it in the book, a lot of conversations about how
Speaker 4: white women can use their position and power and privilege
Speaker 4: to expand the table and make sure that women of
Speaker 4: colors voices were not only just listened to, but resourced
Speaker 4: right and leadership positions that were that were supported. And
Speaker 4: so I share that those stories, stories about Cecil Richards
Speaker 4: and Senator Warren.
Speaker 5: Because I think when people hear in peace, I know,
Speaker 5: my goodness.
Speaker 4: I'm actually going to a memorial for her tomorrow talk
Speaker 4: about when she almost got us arrested one time.
Speaker 5: At a rally at Texas.
Speaker 2: Right, it's very on brand for her, what about what
Speaker 2: about as?
Speaker 4: And God rest her soul? And I'm so grateful to
Speaker 4: have worked with her so closely. And so I think
Speaker 4: when people here spend your privilege, you think about white women, right,
Speaker 4: using their privilege being white women, to intervene or to
Speaker 4: be part of these movements. But I had to step
Speaker 4: back and say, well, all of us, depending on the setting,
Speaker 4: we have a certain privilege, right, whether it's socio economic,
Speaker 4: whether it is education, whether it is I don't know,
Speaker 4: whatever religion you are. I'm a Christian and that is
Speaker 4: the dominant religion in the United States. That is a
Speaker 4: privilege in certain settings, right, I should speak up for
Speaker 4: other faiths. Whether you are heterosexual, and there's conversations around
Speaker 4: what's happening to queer and trans.
Speaker 5: People, that is a privilege.
Speaker 4: And I break it down that all of us, at
Speaker 4: some point in our lives do have some privilege that
Speaker 4: we could spend to build a better community and show
Speaker 4: up for folks who don't have the privilege of position
Speaker 4: that we do.
Speaker 2: And that's a really important point. When you say minority
Speaker 2: so often, it kind of loses its meaning but literally,
Speaker 2: we are like this big compared to the majority. We
Speaker 2: can't do it alone. It's just it's nonsense. You can't.
Speaker 2: The ninety two is of what of thirteen percent? You
Speaker 2: know of seven percent if you look at women. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just very I just appreciate that, yeah, very much so.
Speaker 4: And to that point too, Mandy, speaking of the ninety
Speaker 4: two percent of the seven percent, right can't do everything.
Speaker 4: It's also why we have to be okay with taking
Speaker 4: care of ourselves. There's a lot of talk about how
Speaker 4: self care what, as Audrey Lord said, is an act
Speaker 4: of political warfare, right, and words that really the words
Speaker 4: that got me out of bed two days after Vice
Speaker 4: President Harris lost the election were Alice Walker's words that said,
Speaker 4: you have to keep a healthy soul to face constant oppression,
Speaker 4: and that I think sums up the grace and permission
Speaker 4: that we are giving ourselves as black women to say
Speaker 4: it's actually okay for me to take care of myself
Speaker 4: because this is a constant state of oppression that I'm in,
Speaker 4: and we are the pillars of our community. So if
Speaker 4: we are not okay, and I talk about this a
Speaker 4: lot in the book, if we're not okay, the work
Speaker 4: that we're doing in our communities will not be the
Speaker 4: work that it needs to be right, and so it's
Speaker 4: so imperative that we take care of ourselves also knowing
Speaker 4: that we can't save everyone. And so at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, I think we got to save ourselves
Speaker 4: first before we even try to figure out a solution
Speaker 4: that saves other people.
Speaker 5: And I'm in a place right.
Speaker 4: Now getting in deep, deep, deep community with people. And
Speaker 4: as long as we can ride together and work together,
Speaker 4: and I think those small communities begin to create bigger communities.
Speaker 5: That's how we get through this.
Speaker 4: But we have to be okay first, and part of
Speaker 4: taking care of ourselves also allows for us to treat
Speaker 4: each other better.
Speaker 2: I will bring it back to your faith that I'm
Speaker 2: thinking about how you pray for and love as a
Speaker 2: Christian for people that you don't agree with, that do
Speaker 2: things that you don't agree with. Then it's like we
Speaker 2: got to you know, do you so? Do you love
Speaker 2: the eight percent? Are you just like cool with that?
Speaker 5: You asked me, like very directly, and now you are
Speaker 5: challenging me. I mean I did name the books and
Speaker 5: my favorite story of Jesus in the Bible flipping over tables.
Speaker 2: How is that a story in the Bible. I'm a heathen,
Speaker 2: so you got to you gotta educate me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it is a story in the Bible.
Speaker 4: It's in the Bible three times a month.
Speaker 2: Not the lady from Real Housewives.
Speaker 1: No, that's not it.
Speaker 5: It's not. But I love Real Housewives. And so that's
Speaker 5: also why this works, right.
Speaker 2: Either one, either one, you're kind of like getting it.
Speaker 5: Either way, you get it.
Speaker 2: You see the Jesus, sir Teresa, whatever her datement is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: keep going, that's exactly it.
Speaker 4: That story kept coming to me, and I kept asking
Speaker 4: myself what got Jesus so crunk that he was flipping
Speaker 4: over tables? Like, that's the Jesus that I'm so interested in,
Speaker 4: that's the red text Jesus that actually like aligns with
Speaker 4: my political ideology. And then I like scaled back and
Speaker 4: I said, oh, what are the proverbial tables that we
Speaker 4: have to.
Speaker 5: Flip over in our communities, in our in our own lives.
Speaker 5: And my faith is such a big part of me.
Speaker 4: My dad's a pastor, and I honestly know, and I
Speaker 4: talk about a lot in the book, it is because
Speaker 4: of my faith that I'm able to do all the
Speaker 4: things that I do, and I realize me talking about
Speaker 4: my faith so boldly is disruptive in the political space
Speaker 4: because conservatives and rights well sit the other side, doesn't
Speaker 4: they do Jesus feel like they make us feel like
Speaker 4: Jesus is this like really judgmental person when the reality
Speaker 4: is he would probably be deported if he.
Speaker 2: Was living on earth right now, sister friend wouldn't make
Speaker 2: it through airport security. Let's just say listen.
Speaker 4: And so it was really important for me to talk
Speaker 4: about my faith in a way that felt natural to me,
Speaker 4: because just by doing that, it disrupts this notion of
Speaker 4: what a person of faith who has these strong.
Speaker 5: Beliefs on social justice and politics could look like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sometimes I am jealous of people who
Speaker 2: have such deep faith because it is a it's a
Speaker 2: talisman or I don't know if that's sacrilegious to say,
Speaker 2: but it is something that burns within you and gives
Speaker 2: you that hope and you kind of are able to
Speaker 2: give it away to a higher power. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: And I think religion period, just all the various kinds
Speaker 2: of religions my family, I grew up my aunt and
Speaker 2: great uncle or Baptist preachers in Georgia, and my mom's
Speaker 2: side is Irish Catholic.
Speaker 4: So one of the things, Mandy, that I've been thinking
Speaker 4: about that I want to study or just get deeply
Speaker 4: rooted in is the stories and the lessons of how
Speaker 4: our ancestors got through the civil rights movement reconstruction during
Speaker 4: the period of enslavement, because I feel as though there
Speaker 4: were so many, so much of the solutions, so many
Speaker 4: of the solutions that we're looking for, we could actually
Speaker 4: find from our ancestors. And one of the things that
Speaker 4: I realized is in order to get through all of
Speaker 4: that required a very deep faith, whether in God or
Speaker 4: through Christianity or something else, that there was a very
Speaker 4: deep spiritual practice and a very deep faith that you know,
Speaker 4: people are constantly saying, well, we're not our ancestors, we
Speaker 4: may not be built like our ancestors, And I said, well,
Speaker 4: it first starts with having a spiritual fortitude. And that
Speaker 4: is the reminder for me to continue to like deepen
Speaker 4: my faith. And as you're saying, you know, whether or
Speaker 4: not you are a religious person or what you believe in,
Speaker 4: just having that spiritual connection is so incredibly powerful, and
Speaker 4: it keeps you anchored when everything looks like chaos around
Speaker 4: you and quite frankly, you don't see.
Speaker 5: A way forward.
Speaker 2: I simply just think about the word love, like just
Speaker 2: believe in love. For me, God is love. And my
Speaker 2: friendships have become I mean, I was really, to your point,
Speaker 2: tending to my friendships in the past few years and
Speaker 2: really nurturing them. And it's that to me is like
Speaker 2: something that I can really root some faith in. Is
Speaker 2: that this power of community? And I just I love
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a single person who's joined me
Speaker 2: on the show since the New Year and hasn't mentioned
Speaker 2: community and connection in some way. And I just think
Speaker 2: if there's one great thing to come out of all
Speaker 2: this chaos that we are in the middle of, it's
Speaker 2: that I'm finding other people who are on the same
Speaker 2: wavelength and I'm opening my arms. And I thank you
Speaker 2: for opening your arms to me and to be a
Speaker 2: fam and for sharing this wonderful book with us. Alencia,
Speaker 2: I'm going to see you in New York. I got
Speaker 2: I reserved my spot for your talk. Where is it
Speaker 2: going to be a I don't know. I didn't even check.
Speaker 2: I was just like sign me up, Oh my go,
Speaker 2: thank you so excited.
Speaker 4: It will be at the Barnes and Noble Upper West
Speaker 4: Side with Abby Phillip.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the one that's going to be great. Congratulations.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're doing like a real proper and
Speaker 2: you're gonna be in DC. I got I have a
Speaker 2: lot of I have a community called the Mandy money Makers,
Speaker 2: and I know I have a lot of d MB makers.
Speaker 2: So I posted it in our slack and like three
Speaker 2: or four of them already said that they bought tickets
Speaker 2: to see you and enjoy in in DC.
Speaker 5: So it's going to be great. And those tickets are
Speaker 5: like they're almost sold out.
Speaker 2: So no, of course it was really it was really
Speaker 2: cool of her to go through all that drama and
Speaker 2: get you know, her name even more in the press
Speaker 2: to like drive up your sales.
Speaker 5: I mean, I was nice.
Speaker 4: I text her the morning all the news drop, you know,
Speaker 4: we were talking. But then a few days later I
Speaker 4: was like, here's some good news for you. We've got
Speaker 4: over three hundred RSVPs.
Speaker 2: Like that's incredible.
Speaker 4: I want to see her in love on her and
Speaker 4: she's she's a disruptor her. Yeah, Cabby and I'm going
Speaker 4: on tour with Lovey and Chicago and Jessica Nabango and Detroit,
Speaker 4: all disruptors, amazing dope women.
Speaker 2: Thank you, ba Fan for listening. Don't forget to go
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Speaker 3: Perfect.
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