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Speaker 2: I think that was four times we asked.

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Speaker 1: But then he was like, oh yeah, he sounds good.

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Speaker 2: On Women's History month, listen to women.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you my volume is too high. When you

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Speaker 1: when you listen to the recording, it's gonna be bad.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna sound you don't not listen to a woman

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Speaker 2: on March third. You know we're three days in.

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Speaker 1: Don't start already.

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Speaker 2: I'm starting. I'm starting.

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Speaker 3: I won't make you all jealous.

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Speaker 2: No, it's beautiful. She looks out and use the ocean.

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Speaker 2: You probably do too, Chris.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, she's not too far. I mean, I can't walk,

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Speaker 1: but it's out there.

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Speaker 2: It's out there. Ella, Welcome to another episode of Brown Ambition.

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Speaker 2: Be a faan. How are y'all doing?

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Speaker 4: Wooo?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing all right. I feel like March just like

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Speaker 3: snuck up like it was it was just January and

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Speaker 3: then now all of a sudden. You know, February always

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Speaker 3: just here out of nowhere, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not right, is it? Is it going to be a

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Speaker 2: stressful month for you? I love March.

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Speaker 3: I just travel a lot in March because it's like

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Speaker 3: the last few weeks of like active legislative sessions and differ.

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Speaker 3: So when I'm doing that work, I have to like

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Speaker 3: hurry up and squeeze in a testimony at some hearings

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Speaker 3: here or this.

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Speaker 2: Do you get nervous? I mean, testifying in front of

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Speaker 2: mini congresses is not something that people do like once

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Speaker 3: No, you know, it's funny. I actually have a video

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Speaker 3: on my phone is so embarrassing of the first testimony

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Speaker 3: I ever provided. It was virtual during COVID, and I

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Speaker 3: was shaking, like you can literally see me shaking. And

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Speaker 3: go but by now I've done it probably dozens of times,

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Speaker 3: so I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, another one of these.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait till we can all vote for you.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, we're not doing that.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's funny.

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Speaker 3: I always when I was growing up, I always thought like, oh,

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Speaker 3: maybe I'll do local politics, And now that I work

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Speaker 3: in local politics or like adjacent to it, man, it's

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Speaker 3: like when you see how the sausage gets made, right

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Speaker 3: is that the phrase? Yeah, you like know the inner workings,

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Speaker 3: And it's so fin petty, like everybody is petty LaBelle.

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Speaker 3: It's so annoying. You cannot deal with a person who's

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Speaker 3: This person didn't vote for my last bill, so I

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Speaker 2: Well, good to know that the lower levels are just

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Speaker 2: like the White House. I'm sorry, sorry, I'm not here

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Speaker 2: to provide any top of hope. No, we're getting some hope.

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Speaker 2: The hope is that you can relate that back to

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Speaker 2: do it for like no pay too. That's why you

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Speaker 3: That is the sad truth. But at the end of

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Speaker 3: it is on us to hold them accountable. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 3: we vote for them. Both elections are the most important

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Speaker 2: She is there, she is she found the brown ambition inside.

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Speaker 3: Yes, always, it's just that it's not going to be

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Speaker 2: Else, Yes, absolutely, yeah, I mean While on a brighter note,

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Speaker 2: this morning on YouTube, I did get to watch the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the Oscars. Well, I missed my girl Cynthia

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Speaker 2: and Ariana Grande did like the prettiest opening, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the most exquisite. Have y'all watched it yet?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, you really did. You gotta go back and

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Speaker 1: Been kr I was gonna say, Queen Latifa did a

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Speaker 2: She did move on down the Road. I haven't watched

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Speaker 3: That's awesome little shorts from it.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad Queen still out here, just in all the categories.

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Speaker 2: Yan Ellie, our girls, Zoey South. I can claim her

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Speaker 2: But her speech was so well, how did you feel?

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad that she said that, And her passion

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Speaker 2: She's so talented way back.

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Speaker 3: beautiful moment. We love her, We stand zone.

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Speaker 1: She was the best thing about that movie About a

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Speaker 2: Another highlight back to Wicked. Paul Tazewell, the costume designers,

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Speaker 3: He said it when he won his award.

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Speaker 2: Yes, let him know.

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Speaker 3: Let him know.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta let him know because people need to

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Speaker 3: Fact that we're trying to roll back the EI left

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Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty five and he did an amazing job.

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Speaker 1: But the costume design and Wicked was a bubble dress

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Speaker 1: I love the live musical. But I feel they did

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Speaker 1: he did a great job with the cast and design.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he did it for the film.

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Speaker 3: I know for sure he did Hamilton as.

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Speaker 2: It was nice to see it not go to like

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do yeah, I'm named literally, this is what

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Speaker 2: I do when I'm stressed sometimes the wicked. My mommy

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Speaker 2: and I'm just that was amazing. Did you guys do

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Speaker 3: A lot easier for me than I thought it was

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see the quarterly results from Target,

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Speaker 2: which are I was just thinking, I was like, when's

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Speaker 2: the quarter over?

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Speaker 1: So much we should see it is a quarter march.

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Speaker 2: I want to see because they got to tell they

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Speaker 2: got to tell the shareholders. Shareholders are already suing Target

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Speaker 2: right because they pissed at Apple. I haven't gone to

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Speaker 2: We miss you. She's so great, and her whole you know,

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Speaker 2: mission to for voter against voter suppression in Georgia where

438
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Speaker 2: she tried and failed to become the first woman and

439
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Speaker 2: first African American woman governor, was really eye opening and like, yeah,

440
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Speaker 2: I'm just glad you brought that up you in Ellie,

441
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Speaker 2: because I feel like those basic rights that we can

442
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Speaker 2: take for granted are so flimsy in reality.

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Speaker 3: Ye, stay vigilant.

444
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Speaker 1: It just shows how important it is to vote right

445
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Speaker 1: and why it's so significant that we make sure we

446
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: turn out for all elections, the small ones and big ones,

447
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: because if it wasn't important, they wouldn't be trying to

448
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: find all these ways to reduce it and take away

449
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Speaker 1: the right and make it as difficult as possible. Like

450
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Speaker 1: why why is voting day election day not a national holiday?

451
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: Why doesn't everyone have that day off of work, Like

452
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: if it wasn't so important, they wouldn't be trying to

453
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Speaker 1: make it so difficult. So I think it's just even

454
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Speaker 1: more encouragement to make sure you're on it, know what's

455
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Speaker 1: going on locally, and turn out for those things, because

456
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Speaker 1: like both of you were saying before, like you know,

457
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 1: barely one shows up for those elections, so your vote

458
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Speaker 1: really matters in those. You have so much more weight

459
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Speaker 1: when you show up to even the small ones that

460
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Speaker 1: can make an impact on your local community.

461
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Speaker 3: That's right, And some of them are coming up real soon.

462
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Speaker 3: So y'all need to check check your local elections and

463
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Speaker 3: see what's happening and tune in and show up because

464
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: this is the only way. Like, if they know that

465
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Speaker 3: you're not paying attention, that's when they pounce, right, So

466
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Speaker 3: we have to be real, real vigilant.

467
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Speaker 2: What else is happening? Oh, you know this morning I

468
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Speaker 2: had I was kind of like super sad this morning

469
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Speaker 2: and I had to journal about it and I couldn't

470
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Speaker 2: figure out why. One. I think because I'm sleep deprived.

471
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Speaker 2: Last night was rough with with the kids were just

472
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Speaker 2: like not having it. We ended up sleeping like survivors

473
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Speaker 2: of a catastrophe in the same bed, just like me

474
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Speaker 2: and my husband clinging to one side. Anyway, So sleepy

475
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Speaker 2: being sleep, sleepy, being sleepy sleep. Oh god, it's not

476
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Speaker 2: well mourning for you. I'm still on it at two

477
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Speaker 2: pm Eastern time. Yeah, anyway, I had to. So I

478
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Speaker 2: have been in this group therapy that I've been doing

479
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Speaker 2: every Thursday since last May. It's called dialectical behavioral therapy

480
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Speaker 2: if you'll ever heard of it. It's like the sister

481
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Speaker 2: to CBT, which is like the typical cognitive behavioral therapy

482
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Speaker 2: where you try to change the thoughts that are causing

483
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Speaker 2: you distress. But DBT and DBT was something that was

484
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Speaker 2: new to me, and I also group therapy was like

485
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Speaker 2: new to me in general. Yeah where you at and

486
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Speaker 2: I was. I always thought of it as like you

487
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 2: sort of see like alcoholics anonymous they're in a group together,

488
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Speaker 2: but then you don't know each other. It's anonymous, right,

489
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: so you don't but it's in a group. And anyway,

490
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Speaker 2: doctor Joy from Therapy for Black Girls opened me up

491
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Speaker 2: to that idea that you could be in a group

492
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Speaker 2: and actually find that useful speaking with other people. And

493
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Speaker 2: so anyway, long story short, I got into this weekly

494
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Speaker 2: therapy DBT, but it's meant to be temporary. It's meant

495
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Speaker 2: to be like, I think, four months at a stint,

496
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Speaker 2: and so I had renewed it, so I went through

497
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Speaker 2: like eight months and I graduate March thirteenth, and so

498
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Speaker 2: my yeah, my graduation.

499
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Speaker 4: I'm sad.

500
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna miss it, you know, genuinely, because it really

501
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: gave one. There's like people in the group of a

502
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Speaker 2: small group is like six of us, but it really

503
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Speaker 2: it just humanizes people who are struggling with certain you know,

504
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Speaker 2: just challenges. I mean, the world is really freaking hard

505
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: to cope with. And when you're someone who feels things

506
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Speaker 2: really deeply at a time like this, pray for your

507
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: impaths in life. And I just really found the tools useful.

508
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: And so if you're someone out there who's really struggling

509
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: with like really big feelings and it's causing you like anxiety, depression,

510
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: it's interfering with your life, it's interfering with your relationships.

511
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Speaker 2: I can't recommend DBT group therapy enough, honestly. So, and

512
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: it's widespread, so you could find, you know, a group

513
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Speaker 2: that probably meets near you that the person who runs

514
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: the group told me that I need to get my

515
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Speaker 2: together and get my get my one on one individual

516
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Speaker 2: therapists set up. I've been dragging my feet because my

517
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Speaker 2: therapist who I work with for like four or five years,

518
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Speaker 2: she went back to work at a hospital. She's working

519
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Speaker 2: with recovering mothers postpartum, which is amazing. I tried out

520
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Speaker 2: another therapist. It didn't work. I wasn't a fan like

521
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Speaker 2: it was weren't bang. I don't know. So I've been

522
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Speaker 2: therapists therapist lists for two months now, which is the

523
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Speaker 2: longest I've gone in a long time.

524
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Speaker 1: I got well.

525
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Speaker 2: I've always had DBT, so they've been my support.

526
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Speaker 3: But I feel like you need like a therapist be dating.

527
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Speaker 2: I know, it's it's I haven't been in this position

528
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Speaker 2: in a while, like where you've had to shop for

529
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Speaker 2: your therapist. So I have a consultation on Thursday.

530
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Speaker 3: Okay, we take a step.

531
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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean it is like dating trying to find

532
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Speaker 1: a therapist, right, you don't know, you like that personality,

533
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Speaker 1: You you got stuff that you can talk about. They

534
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Speaker 1: can relate and connect to what you're talking about in

535
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Speaker 1: your life. It's it's work.

536
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Speaker 2: I did not you know, I'm just like the last

537
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: guy he was a white dude. I did not enjoy it.

538
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: I don't think I can. I don't. I mean, I

539
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: didn't want it to be like that because he actually

540
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Speaker 2: wrote a book that I found at the library and

541
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Speaker 2: I found did the book really fascinating? And I found

542
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: him interesting and he lived locally to me, so I

543
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: went and found him and I was like, I'm a fan.

544
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Speaker 2: Beg my therapist. He's like, WHOA three people have read

545
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: this book, and like anyway, but yeah, I don't know,

546
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: it was I thought, and this is the thing, like you,

547
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Chris, do you mind saying if your

548
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Speaker 2: therapist is.

549
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Speaker 1: A guy or woman, it's a woman. My current therapist, Okay,

550
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Speaker 1: how is that for you?

551
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Speaker 2: She a woman of color, white lady.

552
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Speaker 1: She is a white woman who was recommended to me

553
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Speaker 1: originally was a man. But my therapist passed away.

554
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Speaker 4: He was.

555
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Speaker 1: I didn't know, because you know obviously that gona tell

556
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: you everything about their own lives. But I could tell

557
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 1: he was dealing with something, and I remember he had

558
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: missed a couple of appointments and then he sent me

559
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Speaker 1: this this long message about like how he's in hospice care.

560
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: So what ended up happening was he connected me with

561
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Speaker 1: the other therapist who was in his office, So that's

562
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Speaker 1: how I ended up with her. But she's been great

563
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Speaker 1: cause she was written. My original recommendation from someone was her.

564
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Speaker 1: She was fool so she recommended me to him and

565
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: then he balanced me back. But that's how I ended

566
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: up with that. But she's she's amazing. She's she's also

567
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: a podcaster, so she understands this life that I'm living Okay,

568
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: really great. I've been with it for probably what I

569
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: don't even know, two three years something.

570
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: Like that, though, talkid that gives me hope. Maybe it's

571
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: not just because he was a dude. I just kept

572
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: looking at him and being like, well, no, I just

573
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: don't feel like being my full authentic self here and

574
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: it probably has to do with me, but anyway, I'm

575
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: on that journey.

576
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Speaker 3: The cause of it doesn't matter. It's the existence of.

577
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: It that matters. Yeah, And he totally understood that, and

578
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: like we kind of like touched on it because I

579
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: was like after the election, I was like, you got

580
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: to tell me who you voted for because I don't

581
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: think I can talk to you. I know it shouldn't matter,

582
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: but it matters. He's like, he's like, okay, yes I

583
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: voted for Kamala and I was like, okay, but it

584
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: wasn't enough. So I'm on that journey, y'an, Ellie. Do

585
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: you have any have you ever been in therapy or yeah?

586
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: I was doing therapy for like six years right after undergrad.

587
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Speaker 3: It was rough transitioning back home home from being like

588
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: independent and then being back under my parents' roof. And

589
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: they had all these expectations and I was like, uh,

590
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: I got multiple degrees. Now, don't tell me what this.

591
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I had Yeah I did that about

592
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: six years of therapy, but I haven't had a therapist

593
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Speaker 3: in a few years now.

594
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

595
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: Just write a lot and just go to the gym.

596
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: That's my therapy.

597
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Speaker 4: You know.

598
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Speaker 2: What I never really grasped as a concept is that

599
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: therapy is not meant to be permanent. Yeah, it's just

600
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: meant to be for a long term thing.

601
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Speaker 3: Though, because I was trying to do it for like

602
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: two or three years, I ended up doing it for

603
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Speaker 3: six years. And I do not regret that. I think

604
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: I really needed it to go into my thirties like

605
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: I was not. I was not capable of doing that

606
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: on my own without like really having a place to

607
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: go release and just honestly getting so much advice about

608
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: how poorly I was doing at communicating. That was my

609
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: biggest thing that I got from therapy, was like, you know,

610
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: I would I don't know, like dumb shit too. Like

611
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: I remember that I was planning this girl's trip and

612
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: I had a friend and she was like going through

613
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: something and she loves the job. She was going through

614
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, and so I was planning this

615
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: girl strip I just felt so bad. I didn't want

616
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: to like tell her, Hey, I know you just lost

617
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: your job, but like we're plying this girl's trip, you know,

618
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: if you get swinging like and so I just didn't

619
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Speaker 3: mention it to her. And then she found out through

620
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: another friend that I was planning this girl's trip, and

621
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: then she wasn't invited. And it's like, dude, if that

622
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: was happening to me right now, I would literally just

623
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: message her and be like I do not want to

624
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: be insensitive at all, but I want you to feel

625
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: welcome and invited. So if you can swing it calm,

626
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: you're definitely invited. We want you there, but if not,

627
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: I totally understand as well. Because I know what's going

628
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: on with you personally, no pressureable like that is. All

629
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: you have to do is just communicate, and I wasn't

630
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: doing that. You avoid, Yeah, so I think therapy helped me. Yeah,

631
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: and something that we don't teach too, Like I feel

632
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: like when you're in school, or even when you're in college,

633
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: no matter enough, nobody teaches you how to communicate clearly

634
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: and effectively. So that was a huge takeaway from me

635
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: for therapy.

636
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: It was like it was me.

637
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: The root of it was me. I wasn't communicating well,

638
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: I'm them seriously.

639
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: I have a measure. There's like because you know, let's

640
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 1: do a good job getting personal finance into schools. Imagine

641
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: if there's like a semester of like therapy, like group

642
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: therapy for real life skills. That's the stuff you need,

643
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: right because a bunch of unlike adults who can't function

644
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: because we don't know how to do this stuff and

645
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: we're out of struggling and scrambling, that'd be great to

646
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: at least get a little something under a belt before you.

647
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there actually is some DBT curriculum in schools, Like

648
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: there is a movement to get yeah, to teach young kids.

649
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: And you know what's crazy is like all of the lessons.

650
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Speaker 2: When I say big feelings, that's commonly you'll hear that

651
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: phrase among parents, and like parents, psychologists or kids psychologists

652
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: for everyon want to call them about how to help

653
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Speaker 2: kids manage their big feelings. And that's all DBT is.

654
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: It's literally for adults, and I too need to learn

655
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: how to take some deep breaths and learn how to

656
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: cope with big uncomfortable. It's just that the feelings and

657
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: the stakes are so much higher when you have grown

658
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: up problems. Yes, you know, I can't have a melt

659
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: down in the middle of target. I you know, it's

660
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: it looks different for me and a bigger and so yeah,

661
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: I'm learning so much and it's making me a better

662
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: mom and I'm I'm learning. I'm like, oh, I was

663
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: never I really was never taught. I was like, you

664
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: had to I'm gonna say, please, don't sing, please don't

665
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: sing frozen, don't do it, don't do it, don't concealed,

666
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: don't feel I didn't sing it. I just said it

667
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: conceal the feelings. And it was really hard and to

668
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: be strong and to like and nothing ever bothers her

669
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: and like that kind of thing, and that was a

670
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: good tool. We learned that it was a good tool

671
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 2: for them, but not so much for now. And anyway,

672
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: it makes me excited because I'm like, oh man, I'm

673
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: giving this kid the best shot. It's not just about

674
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: giving him money, and you know, yeah, loving household is

675
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: important too, but like really preparing them to be humans

676
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 2: in this kind of world. I just am so proud

677
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna hopefully it'll stick, hopefully he'll take it

678
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: with him. Like that's the.

679
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: Proudest thing that you can feel as an adult who

680
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: raised children. Whether like for me it's I'm in an

681
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: antique capacity, I'm like the favorite thea, but it's really

682
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: like showing them what emotional regulation looks like and sounds

683
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: like and feels like and being a role model for

684
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: them in that way, because the worst people who have

685
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: been the most toxic in my life have been people

686
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: who just did not have any emotional regulation skills, Like

687
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: they just could not cope with emotions, they didn't know how,

688
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: they take it all out on other people or just

689
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: you know, let it fester until they exploded. And that's

690
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: just horrible to be around. And also I'm sure it

691
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: feels horrible to be that person too, so I'm sure

692
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: they want to relieve from it. They you know, we

693
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: just don't. We don't have a way. And I don't

694
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: know when that transition happens. I was gonna say earlier,

695
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: like at some point like you're like, oh, you're young,

696
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: you're young, you could get away with this or that,

697
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, one day you wake

698
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: up and Nope, you're not young anymore. And now anything

699
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: you do is like the expectation is that you're a

700
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: grown ass adult and you're supposed to have that you

701
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: figured out?

702
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah when?

703
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: Like when?

704
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 5: And how?

705
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: I just yeah, so much pressure?

706
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: So I do.

707
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: I love that you're doing that with your kids, Mandy,

708
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: because that's like probably the most important thing you could

709
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: give them. Money comes and goes. You know, success is

710
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: defined differently, it's all subjective, but that emotion regulation and

711
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: the ability to cope with what you're dealing with emotion

712
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: inside of yourself and treating and just being a good

713
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: human being who can manage that is literally the best

714
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: gift you can give them.

715
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because life is nothing but a serious of relationships, right,

716
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: and you got to know how to manage that and

717
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,239
Speaker 1: relate to people and deal with conflict constantly. It never

718
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: stops happening, and setting their kids up.

719
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: And trying so hard and so dobly important.

720
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: I truly feel the weight of responsibility to create a

721
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: Women's History Month, especially to create boys who are not toxic.

722
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: And I've said that before, but I genuinely like it's

723
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: so much I try to put just like they have

724
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: to love themselves and be strong and be proud to

725
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: be Dominican, but also know they have a black from

726
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: the South mama, and also like understand like my culture

727
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: and their culture and speak Spanish but you know, also

728
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: be able to speak. And it's just as a lot,

729
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: a lot. I'm doing my best, so thank you for

730
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: giving me. It's a it's a big responsiblit, but hey,

731
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: I had these kids, so that's what I signed up for,

732
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: is how I feel. That's right.

733
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: Well, the mom was out there listening. We know it's

734
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: a lot, but that's what you signed up, what.

735
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: We signed up for, literally creating the future.

736
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: That's right.

737
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 2: Well, Chris, what's your update over there? How's things going?

738
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: No, it's going well. I gotta say I'm trying to

739
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: be healthier. Now, I've been in San Francisco, so I'm

740
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: doing a ton of walking. I didn't bring my car

741
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: with me. I'm living that you took over to the gym.

742
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 3: Hard life.

743
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: She went to the gym. I've been walking. I was

744
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: walking like eighteen thousand steps past two days. I remember

745
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, I was the heaviest I'd ever gotten.

746
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: She didn't get to see that face. She skipped out

747
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: on all that will no way.

748
00:34:53,840 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: Picture those hybernating bears. Fifteen. Well, I had COVID plus

749
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 2: a newborn. I can't even I'm like unrecognizable to myself.

750
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: I'm on that journey too.

751
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: You know.

752
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: I just started the GPL gp L one injections, the

753
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: weight loss medicine, like I just started one. It's the

754
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: megalitudegalitude that everything that you would work for me before

755
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: no longer works postpartum, two babies in I guess, and

756
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: being in my late thirties now, so I have admitted

757
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: that I needed a little extra boost, So I'll let

758
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: y'all know how that goes. I just did my first

759
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: little injection on Saturday. So this is fresh, okay, we

760
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: very fresh for you? Well fingers crumb, but I will

761
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: be walking and eating right too, not just taking that

762
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: doing the shots. Yeah, all right, Well should we take

763
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: a little break and come back with brown boost, brown break.

764
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: Let's do it?

765
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: Just do we? All right? Be right backba fams, All right,

766
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: we are back. We're gonna do brown boost brown break.

767
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: And I don't need to tell y'all what that's all about.

768
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: If we're boosting, we're happy about it. If we're breaking,

769
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: we could use less of it. Like we're done, we're

770
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: fed up. Who wants to go first? Oh?

771
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 3: I can go first. I mentioned a little bit about

772
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 3: what I'm doing this week for work, but the brown

773
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: boost for me is I am hopping on a plane

774
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: to go to Denver, Colorado, to testify and support of

775
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 3: a bill there that is proposing that we require financial

776
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: literacy in every public school in the state of Colorado.

777
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: And the cool thing about the Colorado specifically is that

778
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 3: Denver Public Schools is a really large urban district and

779
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: they've already done this. So like a lot of the

780
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: people who are like, oh, we can't do it, it's

781
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: gonna be too difficult, the scheduling, the this, the that,

782
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: and then it's like, well, actually, just take a look

783
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: at Denver public schools. They've already been doing it. So

784
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: you have a model for how to do it right here.

785
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: So there's really no excuse and that has really been helpful.

786
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: Good for you, you getting miles for all this traveling.

787
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: You could tease your.

788
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: Own I love my old job. I had to book

789
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 3: with the company.

790
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: But this is that's annoying putting it all on my car.

791
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: I think they get that now. They want you to

792
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: like get the points. Yes it's so great, but yes,

793
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: also your your public advocacy and all that work is amazing.

794
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: It is all of it great.

795
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: It's incredible.

796
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: All right, Chris, I'm putting you in the hot seat

797
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: because my break is going to be a little bit longer.

798
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: Okay, well mind beah. So uh, you know it's gonna

799
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: be a boost this week. And one of the things

800
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: that kind of led me to move it up here

801
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: to San Francisco was to be in a more like

802
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: social environment. I feel like at home so isolated because

803
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, and like everything so far. So people are

804
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: like I might find to sit in traffic to come

805
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: hang out with you, and I'm like, I don't want

806
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: to drive an hour and a half it comes to you,

807
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: so you just don't do it like terrible. But here

808
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: everything is so much easier to get around. People end

809
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: up doing things together a lot more often. And so Berna, Berna,

810
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: and that who you've had here, Hey Berna. Yeah, she

811
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if she wants me to talk about

812
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: this mo I'm talking. But anyways, she was in a

813
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: sketch writing program and so she because Berna's hilarious somebody.

814
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: She is that makes me so happy.

815
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: Yes, the funniest people I've ever met. And so she's

816
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: in this program and at the end of this course,

817
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: they actually write these, uh, these sketches and then they

818
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: get performed by actors at a local little comedy spot here,

819
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: and so it's like down the street, went over there

820
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: and we got to meet up with her, her boyfriend,

821
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: some of her friends and I know too, I've become

822
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: friends with and we all got together and we watched

823
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: her some of her skits, and then our sketches and

824
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: some of the other sketches of the other people in

825
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: the program get performed. And it was hilarious, let me

826
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: tell you, because you know, I was nervous going in.

827
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: You know, you go, I'm going to support a friend,

828
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: but you don't know it. Yeah, you don't know what

829
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: you're getting into.

830
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: It really could.

831
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: It was so good. It was so good.

832
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: Murna's did she performed or she wrote the sketch?

833
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, performed? Men done this. But they had this really

834
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: great group of this like improv group that was up

835
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: there that they just got the scripts that day and

836
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: like right before they got there, and they had the

837
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: scripts out obviously because they didn't memorize them, and we're

838
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: going through performing the one by one and they were

839
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: killing it. The sketches that they wrote were so hilarious

840
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: that it was Bernard had had us dying up there.

841
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: So I was that's my boots because that was so

842
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: fun to get to support a friend. But I also

843
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: get to see their work and it'd be like amazing,

844
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: like because of course it would be amazing if bern

845
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: is doing it. But yeah, that was my boost because

846
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: I had a great time. It was It was a

847
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: lot of fun.

848
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 4: Love.

849
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that you make me want to doing

850
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: the work to build your own community.

851
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: I love it and moving to where you have that

852
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: community support because yeah, I missed those days. It was

853
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: so much easier. I can still get down to the

854
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: city and see people. But yeah, it's definitely it's just easy,

855
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: easy and free, and I'm happy that you got to

856
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: be there to support her. We love you Berner the best.

857
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: I will say, Chris, I don't compliment you often, except

858
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: I did compliment your shirt. I do like it.

859
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: I was shocked. I was waiting for the inside.

860
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the first time I noticed

861
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: dudes to wear like something besides a T shirt or

862
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: like a button down. I do notice, and I'm like,

863
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: oh interesting. I'm always like plucking out little ideas for

864
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: for bay. But what was I gonna say nice about you?

865
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: Clearly mean it. You already forget like a well.

866
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: Rounded dude, I will say, like you do. You're doing

867
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: the work, You're like getting well rounded. You're getting the

868
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: health and lifestyle, you got the mental health aspect, and

869
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Speaker 2: you recognize the importance of friends and relationships and those

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Speaker 2: are not things that you know we can't like take

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Speaker 2: for granted. Just men. That's your prioritizing. I mean, and

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Speaker 2: you could just answer for answer for all of them.

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Speaker 2: It's Women's History Month. What can I say and march

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Speaker 2: just say yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am, yes, that's the energy.

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Speaker 2: I really did, your highness, I thank you because I

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Speaker 2: am so high on a pedestal. Oh god, I want

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Speaker 2: to get to my boost because this is going to

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Speaker 2: be a special one. I have a book here, can

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Speaker 2: you see it? I have my blur thing on. So

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Speaker 2: this book is called Flip the Table, speaking of activists,

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Speaker 2: Yan Elliott. No it's not here. Yeah, I'll put it

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Speaker 2: on the screen because that's so annoying. So this is

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Speaker 2: called Flip the Table, The Everyday Disruptor's Guide to finding

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Speaker 2: courage and making change. It is by Alencia Johnson, whose

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Speaker 2: name y'all may not recognize, but who has been behind

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Speaker 2: some of the you know, most consequential elections and election

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Speaker 2: campaigns of our time. I am going to roll right now,

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Speaker 2: even though you and Chris you're not gonna be able

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Speaker 2: to hear it. I'm going to do a quick little

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Speaker 2: interview with the author, Alencia Johnson, and air that so

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Speaker 2: that y'all can hear about this book. You can't plan

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Speaker 2: when to have books like this get published, but I

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Speaker 2: just can't think of a better time because this is

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Speaker 2: like probably four years in the making, and for it

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Speaker 2: to come out right now, it's just such good timing

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Speaker 2: and she's going to be on tour. So if y'all

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Speaker 2: want to go to flipthetablesbook dot com.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I'm so excited to read this. I'm

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Speaker 3: just adding into my book list right now, Flip the Tables.

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Speaker 2: Love it, can't wait, can't wait to have her on

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Speaker 2: And you guys are going to hear a little bit

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Speaker 2: from her now and then go run out and get

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Speaker 2: the copy of her book because it is so important

904
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Speaker 2: to support our writers who actually get on the shelves

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Speaker 2: because they don't often look like us. All right, the

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Speaker 2: a fam. I am really excited to share this week's

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Speaker 2: Brown Boost with you. I've never done this before. This

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Speaker 2: is a brown ambition. First, my boost is here. I

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Speaker 2: brought my boost to work today and her name is

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Speaker 2: a Lindsia Johnson and she is fabulous. She has a

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Speaker 2: new book that I have been reading and deeply enjoying,

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Speaker 2: especially at a time like this. The book is called

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Speaker 2: Flip the Tables, The Everyday Disruptor's Guide to Finding Courage

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Speaker 2: and Making Change. And it's here and I need y'all

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Speaker 2: to go pick up your copy.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Why we were just talking a little bit about this,

918
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Speaker 2: Elencia just because it's the message that we need right now.

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Speaker 2: But let me tell you about my new friend, slash

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Speaker 2: human boost Me. Lincia Johnson is an award winning social

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Speaker 2: impact advisor and cultural commentator. She founded ten sixty three

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Speaker 2: West broad which is a media and social impact consultancy,

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Speaker 2: which basically means she has had her hands in many,

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Speaker 2: many consequential campaigns over the years, including advising the presidential

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Speaker 2: campaigns of Vice President Kamala Harris. Should have been President

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, I'll say President Joe Biden, Senator Elizabeth Warren. Oh,

927
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Speaker 2: we stand Lizzie Warren over here. Yes, I love her. Oh,

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Speaker 2: the CFPB her baby, I'm just distraught, all right, Focus

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Speaker 2: Mandy and President Barack Obama. In addition to her work

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Speaker 2: with leading advocacy group, she's regularly seen on MSNBC, CNN, ABC,

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Speaker 2: She's been featured all over the media, and she's a

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Speaker 2: proud member of the Delta Sigma Theta. So we're already.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. If I could go back and pledge,

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Speaker 2: I think I'd be a Delta. I think I'm old

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Speaker 2: enough now to choose. I wasn't sure in college. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: choose when all my favorite. I mean no offense, but

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Speaker 2: like I'm not even I can't do it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: get in trouble. All my favorites are Delta's. Is that

939
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Speaker 2: why you're so amazing? I just something about y'all. You're

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Speaker 2: just I mean, I don't want to like create a monolith,

941
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Speaker 2: but just genuinely approachable, kind, good hearted, but still badass.

942
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Yeah, it's about that business. Well,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show, Alensia. Thank you so much for

944
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Speaker 2: joining on Brown Ambition and being my boost.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me and reading the book and

946
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Speaker 5: being like creating the space for me to have this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it's out in the world.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it is my baby that came to me.

949
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Speaker 4: We were talking a little bit about the pandemic. It

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Speaker 4: came to me in that early pandemic haze and it

951
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Speaker 4: is finally here, which is so wild.

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Speaker 2: What I like about the book as you start by

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Speaker 2: talking about how we can be, how we need to

954
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Speaker 2: learn how to disrupt ourselves.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: In all of my career from presidential campaigns to working

957
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Speaker 4: for a planned parentheads national office, and I was constantly

958
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Speaker 4: getting the question of how do I create more impact

959
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Speaker 4: in the world and how do I have more courage

960
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Speaker 4: like you and be brave like you? And I was like, hmm,

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Speaker 4: I actually don't see myself as this way. I just

962
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Speaker 4: have found myself moving through the world and the way

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Speaker 4: that God has led me to. But I was also

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Speaker 4: feeling a bit stuck, like having all of these accolades

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Speaker 4: and all these positions, and I was like, well, then

966
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Speaker 4: why do I feel so stuck If I'm this person

967
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Speaker 4: that people are looking to for guidance and courage, but

968
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Speaker 4: me myself, I can't get out of my own way.

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Speaker 4: What's happening here? And who am I holding back in

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Speaker 4: myself and others by not really living out my dreams?

971
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Speaker 4: And then I realized that it is so connected to

972
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Speaker 4: our community and advancing our community, and so look, Mandy,

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Speaker 4: I had to sit with myself and really sit with

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Speaker 4: the things that I had been running from, the things

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Speaker 4: that I talked about in therapy, the things I had

976
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Speaker 4: like all the theory for I'm a virgo in four houses,

977
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Speaker 4: like I can theorize everything.

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Speaker 2: Okay, nobody knows they're signed like a virgo knows their

979
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Speaker 2: sign exactly.

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Speaker 4: And I said, oh, Hey, girl, you got to feel

981
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Speaker 4: these things, you got to go through these things, and

982
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Speaker 4: how connected the going through was connected to me living

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Speaker 4: and my purpose.

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Speaker 5: And so it really showed me that in order for

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Speaker 5: us to show.

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Speaker 4: Up in our community is the way that we're supposed

987
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Speaker 4: to to do the thing that God has called us

988
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Speaker 4: to do in the world, We've got to actually first

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Speaker 4: be who were called to be. And in order to

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Speaker 4: get there, we got to face the mirror quite a bit,

991
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Speaker 4: and we got to, you know, acknowledge sometimes the red

992
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Speaker 4: flag is you, but also sometimes we have to figure

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Speaker 4: out how to answer the question. There's a whole chapter

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Speaker 4: in there, and I love it so much because it

995
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Speaker 4: reads me for filth, but it pushes you to answer

996
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 4: the question who are we? Unattached to our resumes and accolades,

997
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Speaker 4: Like literally, who are we?

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear, you know, as I'm writing

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Speaker 2: my book to my editor and I have been working

1000
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Speaker 2: closely on like just making sure that I'm oozing off

1001
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Speaker 2: the page, which is not hard to do because I

1002
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Speaker 2: love just writing with my authentic voice. But something that

1003
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Speaker 2: really is apparent to me is your faith, and your

1004
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: faith is so grounded in this book. I mean, you

1005
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Speaker 2: open up the book talking a little bit about your faith.

1006
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Speaker 2: And then the epilogue again you acknowledge, you know, if

1007
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Speaker 2: Jesus can get up and keep moving, then so can we,

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Speaker 2: And can you talk a little bit about Well, do

1009
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Speaker 2: I want to skip to faith yet?

1010
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Speaker 4: No?

1011
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: I want to backtrack because I'm the boss, because I

1012
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: want to know what were those things in therapy that

1013
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: you were battling and what do you mean you were stuck?

1014
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Speaker 2: Do you mean like career wise?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It was a combination of things, right, it was so

1017
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 4: on the personal front. I was in the middle of

1018
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 4: a move at the beginning of the pandemic. It was

1019
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Speaker 4: right when Senator Elizabeth Warren ended her presidential campaign and

1020
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Speaker 4: the beginning of this global pandemic.

1021
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Speaker 5: Senator Elizabeth Warren's campaign was my last.

1022
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Speaker 4: Like actual like W two job, And so I was

1023
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Speaker 4: sitting there kind of fun employed, as I called it

1024
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Speaker 4: that after like the Obama campaign when I was in

1025
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Speaker 4: my twenties, but in your thirties it's fun?

1026
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Speaker 5: Is that as fun? It's not as cute anymore?

1027
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah.

1028
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Speaker 5: So after about a few weeks of like, okay, what

1029
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Speaker 5: are we doing?

1030
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Speaker 4: I was like, do I want to go out of

1031
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 4: my own do I want to go back and house somewhere,

1032
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 4: Do I want to take this job on the Biden campaign?

1033
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: Like what do I want to do for myself? But

1034
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Speaker 4: I was also still conflicted with feeling as though I

1035
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: had to do what everyone else measured success to be.

1036
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Speaker 4: At the same time, Mandy, I was still dealing with

1037
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Speaker 4: a lot in my personal life. I was I picked

1038
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Speaker 4: up some weight and some unhealthy habits on a campaign,

1039
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Speaker 4: I was cycling through situationships that there were some like

1040
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Speaker 4: friendships I needed to really reevaluate. There was some family

1041
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 4: stuff that like I was just kind of putting in

1042
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 4: the back of my mind and not really realizing how

1043
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 4: it was impacting me. And so all of these things

1044
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 4: were just bubbling up, and I took the time and

1045
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 4: that's a privilege to have the time at the beginning

1046
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: of the pandemic, and then to start working for myself

1047
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: to really work through those things and realizing that not

1048
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 4: working through those things and those feelings is what was

1049
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 4: making me feel stuck, is what was making me feel

1050
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Speaker 4: like I had to chase success on other people's terms

1051
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 4: when I didn't want to be on the booked in

1052
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 4: busy hamp Surreel anymore. I wanted to be in a

1053
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Speaker 4: position to where I work the way that I wanted to,

1054
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Speaker 4: but also, you know, set myself up well financially as

1055
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Speaker 4: well as most importantly, really tending to my personal life

1056
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Speaker 4: in a way that I'm not even gonna say I

1057
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: was ignoring. I was running from. And so that's why

1058
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Speaker 4: I was feeling stuck. It was a combination of so

1059
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 4: many things, and some of it really started with me

1060
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Speaker 4: having to stop being so much of a people pleaser,

1061
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Speaker 4: right because even when I announced my consultancy, I got

1062
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Speaker 4: tons of people like, Oh, You're gonna build this big agency,

1063
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Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't really like managing a

1064
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 4: lot of people, Like I like being creative.

1065
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Speaker 2: Ah, that's right, the magical entrepreneur we must all become

1066
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: when we launch our own business. Yeah, talk about that,

1067
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: like oh are you using this?

1068
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Speaker 5: Who are your clients?

1069
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: And I'm like, whoa seed funding?

1070
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Speaker 4: You want?

1071
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: A VC?

1072
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 4: Like what?

1073
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: I just got the domain? Like what do you want

1074
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: for me? Like Alsie Lindsay Johnson dot com. You know

1075
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: that's what I want for now.

1076
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Speaker 5: I'm good with my like three or four clients, Like

1077
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Speaker 5: we're good.

1078
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Speaker 4: So that's the moment like being stuck and those places

1079
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Speaker 4: that overlapped and you know, impacted each other.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that that whole expression stuck. I hear it

1081
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Speaker 2: all the time because I do a lot of work

1082
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Speaker 2: with women in their careers, and that's even a phrase

1083
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Speaker 2: I use a lot. And it's almost like, sometimes it's

1084
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: not that you're stuck, it's that you're kind of like

1085
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: on a conveyor belt that you don't know how to

1086
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: get off of, and it feels like like one of

1087
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: those walking runways and you're just stuck, like you may

1088
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: want to stop at the Starbucks, but you're just passing

1089
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: by it, and like you're on the train already versus

1090
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: like getting off, and it takes maybe longer, and it's

1091
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: more grueling, especially if you're at JFK or Atlanta Airport,

1092
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: you know, if I can take the analogy further, And yeah,

1093
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: but that walking conveyer belt, it's nice, you know where

1094
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: you're going, you know where the endpoint is, but it

1095
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 2: can be seductive. And yeah, I think honestly, your thirties

1096
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: is the era of getting off that conveyor belt for

1097
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: a lot of people and choosing the stops that you're

1098
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: gonna make. Okay, so you've taken us to the pandemic

1099
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 2: and now bringing it back to the book. So you're

1100
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: starting to disrupt yourself, and you're starting to disrupt sort

1101
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: of the vision that you had for yourself in your career.

1102
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: And then what's the next step after that? Once we

1103
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: sort of like get to a place where we're not

1104
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 2: afraid to shake things up personally, what's the next step

1105
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: for folks?

1106
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 4: Well, and that's why I figured, if we start with

1107
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 4: ourselves and you built this courage and confidence to be

1108
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 4: who you want to be, live your own vision, that

1109
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 4: kind of confidence exudes everywhere, then you're not as scared

1110
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 4: to do the interventions that are every day. So you know, obviously,

1111
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 4: in my career, I've met so many people who quit

1112
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 4: their jobs and say they're rent for office or start

1113
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 4: an organization. And I don't think change has to be

1114
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 4: all of that. And plus I don't think everybody should

1115
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 4: do that. There are some people who have and it's great,

1116
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: like teachers who have become elected and things like that.

1117
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: But quite frankly, Corey Bush is amazing, right, But then

1118
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: there are some people who quite frankly, they should probably

1119
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 4: stay CEOs with.

1120
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 2: These big firms, don't you wish they would stay ninety five,

1121
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Some people should just stay

1122
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: in your glass castle, out of our.

1123
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 5: Way, and so and so, if you're staying in your lane,

1124
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 5: what can you do? Can you figure out a way

1125
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 5: to spend your privilege?

1126
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 4: Can you figure out a way to expand your capacity

1127
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 4: for understanding humanity? And so then you're gonna look get

1128
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 4: like the immigration fight differently. You're going to look at

1129
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: the labor movement differently. You're going to look at these

1130
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: things as not necessarily huge movements that you're never going

1131
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 4: to be able to unpact, but you'll see yourself as

1132
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 4: a small part of this larger movement, right, like a

1133
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 4: small part that is necessary understanding that a thousand people

1134
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: doing small acts of disruption is so much more impactful

1135
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 4: than everybody sitting around waiting for that one person to

1136
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 4: take that one mantle and do everything themselves, right, and

1137
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 4: so it allows you to have the courage to in

1138
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 4: your daily life figure out ways that you can disrupt

1139
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 4: at work, with your family and with resources that quite frankly,

1140
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 4: don't cost money. It might cost you some position or privilege,

1141
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 4: or some even just discomfort, but it actually doesn't cost

1142
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: you a lot to actually intervene and be those daily disruptors.

1143
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: So you talk about in the third part of your book,

1144
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: Disruption of Community. I really like the part where you

1145
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 2: talk about spending your privilege. Can you talk a little

1146
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 2: bit about that.

1147
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 4: So I spent a lot of time at Plan Parent

1148
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 4: had I worked at Plan Parent's office.

1149
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 5: For six years.

1150
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: How are your colleagues, your former colleagues, how are they?

1151
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 5: They are going through it?

1152
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: They've been going through it, but even now.

1153
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have been.

1154
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 4: But working at Plan Parent and the Reproductive Freedom movement,

1155
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 4: I worked with a lot of white women right, and

1156
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 4: there were a lot of conversations and I talk about

1157
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 4: it in the book, a lot of conversations about how

1158
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 4: white women can use their position and power and privilege

1159
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 4: to expand the table and make sure that women of

1160
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 4: colors voices were not only just listened to, but resourced

1161
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 4: right and leadership positions that were that were supported. And

1162
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 4: so I share that those stories, stories about Cecil Richards

1163
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 4: and Senator Warren.

1164
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 5: Because I think when people hear in peace, I know,

1165
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 5: my goodness.

1166
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 4: I'm actually going to a memorial for her tomorrow talk

1167
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 4: about when she almost got us arrested one time.

1168
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 5: At a rally at Texas.

1169
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: Right, it's very on brand for her, what about what

1170
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: about as?

1171
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 4: And God rest her soul? And I'm so grateful to

1172
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 4: have worked with her so closely. And so I think

1173
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 4: when people here spend your privilege, you think about white women, right,

1174
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 4: using their privilege being white women, to intervene or to

1175
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 4: be part of these movements. But I had to step

1176
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 4: back and say, well, all of us, depending on the setting,

1177
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: we have a certain privilege, right, whether it's socio economic,

1178
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 4: whether it is education, whether it is I don't know,

1179
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: whatever religion you are. I'm a Christian and that is

1180
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: the dominant religion in the United States. That is a

1181
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 4: privilege in certain settings, right, I should speak up for

1182
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 4: other faiths. Whether you are heterosexual, and there's conversations around

1183
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 4: what's happening to queer and trans.

1184
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 5: People, that is a privilege.

1185
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 4: And I break it down that all of us, at

1186
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: some point in our lives do have some privilege that

1187
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 4: we could spend to build a better community and show

1188
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 4: up for folks who don't have the privilege of position

1189
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 4: that we do.

1190
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: And that's a really important point. When you say minority

1191
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: so often, it kind of loses its meaning but literally,

1192
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: we are like this big compared to the majority. We

1193
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: can't do it alone. It's just it's nonsense. You can't.

1194
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: The ninety two is of what of thirteen percent? You

1195
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 2: know of seven percent if you look at women. So yeah,

1196
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: it's just very I just appreciate that, yeah, very much so.

1197
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 4: And to that point too, Mandy, speaking of the ninety

1198
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 4: two percent of the seven percent, right can't do everything.

1199
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 4: It's also why we have to be okay with taking

1200
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 4: care of ourselves. There's a lot of talk about how

1201
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 4: self care what, as Audrey Lord said, is an act

1202
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 4: of political warfare, right, and words that really the words

1203
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 4: that got me out of bed two days after Vice

1204
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 4: President Harris lost the election were Alice Walker's words that said,

1205
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 4: you have to keep a healthy soul to face constant oppression,

1206
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 4: and that I think sums up the grace and permission

1207
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 4: that we are giving ourselves as black women to say

1208
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 4: it's actually okay for me to take care of myself

1209
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: because this is a constant state of oppression that I'm in,

1210
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 4: and we are the pillars of our community. So if

1211
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 4: we are not okay, and I talk about this a

1212
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 4: lot in the book, if we're not okay, the work

1213
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 4: that we're doing in our communities will not be the

1214
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 4: work that it needs to be right, and so it's

1215
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 4: so imperative that we take care of ourselves also knowing

1216
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 4: that we can't save everyone. And so at the end

1217
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 4: of the day, I think we got to save ourselves

1218
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 4: first before we even try to figure out a solution

1219
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 4: that saves other people.

1220
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 5: And I'm in a place right.

1221
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 4: Now getting in deep, deep, deep community with people. And

1222
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 4: as long as we can ride together and work together,

1223
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 4: and I think those small communities begin to create bigger communities.

1224
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 5: That's how we get through this.

1225
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 4: But we have to be okay first, and part of

1226
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 4: taking care of ourselves also allows for us to treat

1227
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 4: each other better.

1228
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: I will bring it back to your faith that I'm

1229
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: thinking about how you pray for and love as a

1230
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: Christian for people that you don't agree with, that do

1231
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: things that you don't agree with. Then it's like we

1232
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: got to you know, do you so? Do you love

1233
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: the eight percent? Are you just like cool with that?

1234
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 5: You asked me, like very directly, and now you are

1235
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 5: challenging me. I mean I did name the books and

1236
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 5: my favorite story of Jesus in the Bible flipping over tables.

1237
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: How is that a story in the Bible. I'm a heathen,

1238
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: so you got to you gotta educate me.

1239
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it is a story in the Bible.

1240
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 4: It's in the Bible three times a month.

1241
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: Not the lady from Real Housewives.

1242
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: No, that's not it.

1243
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 5: It's not. But I love Real Housewives. And so that's

1244
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,959
Speaker 5: also why this works, right.

1245
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: Either one, either one, you're kind of like getting it.

1246
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 5: Either way, you get it.

1247
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: You see the Jesus, sir Teresa, whatever her datement is. Yeah,

1248
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: keep going, that's exactly it.

1249
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 4: That story kept coming to me, and I kept asking

1250
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 4: myself what got Jesus so crunk that he was flipping

1251
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 4: over tables? Like, that's the Jesus that I'm so interested in,

1252
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 4: that's the red text Jesus that actually like aligns with

1253
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 4: my political ideology. And then I like scaled back and

1254
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 4: I said, oh, what are the proverbial tables that we

1255
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: have to.

1256
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 5: Flip over in our communities, in our in our own lives.

1257
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 5: And my faith is such a big part of me.

1258
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 4: My dad's a pastor, and I honestly know, and I

1259
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 4: talk about a lot in the book, it is because

1260
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: of my faith that I'm able to do all the

1261
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 4: things that I do, and I realize me talking about

1262
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 4: my faith so boldly is disruptive in the political space

1263
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 4: because conservatives and rights well sit the other side, doesn't

1264
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 4: they do Jesus feel like they make us feel like

1265
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 4: Jesus is this like really judgmental person when the reality

1266
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 4: is he would probably be deported if he.

1267
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: Was living on earth right now, sister friend wouldn't make

1268
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: it through airport security. Let's just say listen.

1269
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 4: And so it was really important for me to talk

1270
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 4: about my faith in a way that felt natural to me,

1271
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: because just by doing that, it disrupts this notion of

1272
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 4: what a person of faith who has these strong.

1273
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 5: Beliefs on social justice and politics could look like.

1274
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sometimes I am jealous of people who

1275
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: have such deep faith because it is a it's a

1276
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: talisman or I don't know if that's sacrilegious to say,

1277
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: but it is something that burns within you and gives

1278
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: you that hope and you kind of are able to

1279
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: give it away to a higher power. I'm not saying that.

1280
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: And I think religion period, just all the various kinds

1281
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: of religions my family, I grew up my aunt and

1282
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: great uncle or Baptist preachers in Georgia, and my mom's

1283
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: side is Irish Catholic.

1284
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 4: So one of the things, Mandy, that I've been thinking

1285
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 4: about that I want to study or just get deeply

1286
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 4: rooted in is the stories and the lessons of how

1287
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,959
Speaker 4: our ancestors got through the civil rights movement reconstruction during

1288
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 4: the period of enslavement, because I feel as though there

1289
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 4: were so many, so much of the solutions, so many

1290
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 4: of the solutions that we're looking for, we could actually

1291
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 4: find from our ancestors. And one of the things that

1292
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 4: I realized is in order to get through all of

1293
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 4: that required a very deep faith, whether in God or

1294
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 4: through Christianity or something else, that there was a very

1295
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 4: deep spiritual practice and a very deep faith that you know,

1296
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 4: people are constantly saying, well, we're not our ancestors, we

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Speaker 4: may not be built like our ancestors, And I said, well,

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Speaker 4: it first starts with having a spiritual fortitude. And that

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Speaker 4: is the reminder for me to continue to like deepen

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Speaker 4: my faith. And as you're saying, you know, whether or

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Speaker 4: not you are a religious person or what you believe in,

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Speaker 4: just having that spiritual connection is so incredibly powerful, and

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Speaker 4: it keeps you anchored when everything looks like chaos around

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Speaker 4: you and quite frankly, you don't see.

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Speaker 5: A way forward.

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Speaker 2: I simply just think about the word love, like just

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Speaker 2: believe in love. For me, God is love. And my

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Speaker 2: friendships have become I mean, I was really, to your point,

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Speaker 2: tending to my friendships in the past few years and

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Speaker 2: really nurturing them. And it's that to me is like

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Speaker 2: something that I can really root some faith in. Is

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Speaker 2: that this power of community? And I just I love

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a single person who's joined me

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Speaker 2: on the show since the New Year and hasn't mentioned

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Speaker 2: community and connection in some way. And I just think

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Speaker 2: if there's one great thing to come out of all

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Speaker 2: this chaos that we are in the middle of, it's

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Speaker 2: that I'm finding other people who are on the same

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Speaker 2: wavelength and I'm opening my arms. And I thank you

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Speaker 2: for opening your arms to me and to be a

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Speaker 2: fam and for sharing this wonderful book with us. Alencia,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to see you in New York. I got

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Speaker 2: I reserved my spot for your talk. Where is it

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Speaker 2: going to be a I don't know. I didn't even check.

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Speaker 2: I was just like sign me up, Oh my go,

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Speaker 2: thank you so excited.

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Speaker 4: It will be at the Barnes and Noble Upper West

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Speaker 4: Side with Abby Phillip.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's the one that's going to be great. Congratulations.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're doing like a real proper and

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be in DC. I got I have a

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Speaker 2: lot of I have a community called the Mandy money Makers,

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Speaker 2: and I know I have a lot of d MB makers.

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Speaker 2: So I posted it in our slack and like three

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Speaker 2: or four of them already said that they bought tickets

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Speaker 2: to see you and enjoy in in DC.

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Speaker 5: So it's going to be great. And those tickets are

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Speaker 5: like they're almost sold out.

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Speaker 2: So no, of course it was really it was really

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Speaker 2: cool of her to go through all that drama and

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Speaker 2: get you know, her name even more in the press

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Speaker 2: to like drive up your sales.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was nice.

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Speaker 4: I text her the morning all the news drop, you know,

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Speaker 4: we were talking. But then a few days later I

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Speaker 4: was like, here's some good news for you. We've got

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Speaker 4: over three hundred RSVPs.

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Speaker 2: Like that's incredible.

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Speaker 4: I want to see her in love on her and

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Speaker 4: she's she's a disruptor her. Yeah, Cabby and I'm going

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Speaker 4: on tour with Lovey and Chicago and Jessica Nabango and Detroit,

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Speaker 4: all disruptors, amazing dope women.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, ba Fan for listening. Don't forget to go

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Speaker 2: pick up Alynsia's book here, it is right here. I'm

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Speaker 2: just gonna imagine I'm putting it on the screen. And also,

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Speaker 2: your website is flipthtables book dot com.

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Speaker 3: Perfect.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations. Thank you for sharing your light with us. Well,

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed my conversation with a Lindsaya Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to jan Ellie and Chris for joining me

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Speaker 2: for another Brown Table and ba Faan, don't forget to like.

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