WEBVTT - Nice Purse 0:00:01.970 --> 0:00:05.810 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the 0:00:05.850 --> 0:00:10.059 George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:10.260 --> 0:00:11.600 Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:17.340 And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:23.350 --> 0:00:25.410 Three of the 12 jurors are speaking out about the 0:00:25.470 --> 0:00:28.470 events that led to the mistrial in Massachusetts, revealing the 0:00:28.510 --> 0:00:32.530 panel was deadlocked 11 to 1. Three female jurors went 0:00:32.950 --> 0:00:35.849 on in those interviews on TV to describe that their 0:00:35.930 --> 0:00:39.120 arguments got so loud that the six alternates could actually 0:00:39.170 --> 0:00:42.460 hear them outside the room. They went on to say 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.239 that the sole holdout refused to listen to the rest 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.520 of the jurors, including nurses on the panel. 0:00:49.140 --> 0:00:52.240 So we're about to hear from the three females who 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:57.590 have done some interviews. Do you have any thoughts on 0:00:57.890 --> 0:01:00.910 stuff you've heard so far about the conversations as a 0:01:01.150 --> 0:01:01.710 former juror? 0:01:02.670 --> 0:01:05.910 Just the idea that they should pay special regard to 0:01:05.950 --> 0:01:11.110 nurses I find interesting. I wouldn't say it's ridiculous, but 0:01:11.150 --> 0:01:12.660 it's not a compelling argument. 0:01:12.730 --> 0:01:12.960 Anyway. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:14.900 Let's hear from some of these jurors. 0:01:15.630 --> 0:01:16.630 He was very arrogant. 0:01:17.430 --> 0:01:21.490 He really did not take anything. 0:01:21.010 --> 0:01:22.210 That anybody said. 0:01:22.230 --> 0:01:28.590 The nurses, he tried to ask a question about the medications, 0:01:28.690 --> 0:01:33.030 and we went back to the report from South Shore Hospital. 0:01:33.250 --> 0:01:36.780 We had the toxicology report. We could see exactly the amounts. 0:01:37.500 --> 0:01:41.460 The nurses in the room spoke to that and talked 0:01:41.500 --> 0:01:41.940 to that. 0:01:42.020 --> 0:01:43.480 There were nurses on the jury. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:43.660 Yes. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.380 And they spoke to that specific thing. That was a 0:01:48.420 --> 0:01:53.500 question that he had. And he just completely disregarded the 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:54.809 information that they gave him. 0:01:56.290 --> 0:01:57.550 So I think we're going to have to go through 0:01:57.570 --> 0:01:59.250 these before we get into our conversation. 0:02:00.030 --> 0:02:00.950 Sure. 0:02:01.210 --> 0:02:01.559 Roll on. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.110 I mean, he had reasonable doubt. He admitted he had 0:02:05.190 --> 0:02:08.370 reasonable doubt after we watched that video of the interview. 0:02:08.389 --> 0:02:11.530 I think that's when it was. He admitted he had 0:02:11.590 --> 0:02:15.160 reasonable doubt. And I started filling out the forms. I 0:02:15.190 --> 0:02:18.660 was so excited. I actually, there were three forms I 0:02:18.700 --> 0:02:21.620 had to fill out. And I started filling them out. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.359 I wrote my signature on each one. And then he said, 0:02:25.940 --> 0:02:28.540 but I'm still not going to say that she's not 0:02:28.590 --> 0:02:30.350 guilty by reason of insanity. 0:02:30.730 --> 0:02:33.010 So, okay, I'm going to have to, I'm having trouble 0:02:33.030 --> 0:02:35.070 keeping my head wrapped around this in the same way 0:02:35.110 --> 0:02:39.510 that I can't deal with time changes very well. I 0:02:39.550 --> 0:02:43.410 can't ever figure out what spring forward fallback means. I'm 0:02:43.450 --> 0:02:49.670 having trouble with this one. So in most states, I 0:02:49.710 --> 0:02:54.769 kill somebody and I don't want the chair. I got 0:02:54.790 --> 0:02:56.710 to convince the jury I'm crazy. 0:02:57.169 --> 0:02:57.690 That's correct. 0:02:58.410 --> 0:03:00.410 But in Massachusetts, it's what? 0:03:02.139 --> 0:03:06.339 Not only is it the prosecution's duty to prove that 0:03:06.380 --> 0:03:09.440 the defendant was criminally responsible at the time of offense, 0:03:09.740 --> 0:03:13.369 they must prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. So the 0:03:14.010 --> 0:03:18.030 same standard that applies for a conviction where the government 0:03:18.190 --> 0:03:22.490 takes away your freedom or your money or whatever applies 0:03:22.590 --> 0:03:25.869 to whether you are criminally responsible or not. 0:03:25.889 --> 0:03:29.570 That's a high bar. But there, if I say I'm crazy, 0:03:29.950 --> 0:03:31.400 they got to prove I'm not crazy. 0:03:32.389 --> 0:03:34.169 Correct. The prosecution does. 0:03:35.090 --> 0:03:35.310 Yeah. 0:03:37.420 --> 0:03:41.040 Wherever else, everywhere else, the defense has to prove they're 0:03:41.060 --> 0:03:43.340 trying to get me, keep me from getting the chair. 0:03:43.700 --> 0:03:46.140 They have to prove I'm crazy. And the jury either 0:03:46.180 --> 0:03:46.530 buys it or not. 0:03:46.540 --> 0:03:49.870 My understanding is Massachusetts is an extremely rare case of that. 0:03:49.910 --> 0:03:52.330 But in Massachusetts, if I say I'm crazy, you have 0:03:52.350 --> 0:03:55.810 to assume he's crazy unless somebody can prove beyond a 0:03:55.850 --> 0:03:56.930 reasonable doubt he's not. 0:03:57.870 --> 0:03:58.110 Right. 0:03:58.630 --> 0:04:01.440 Wow, that's a really different way to approach it. 0:04:03.270 --> 0:04:03.630 Wow. 0:04:03.710 --> 0:04:04.250 One more juror. 0:04:05.190 --> 0:04:08.160 Not sure if rogue is the right word, Sue, but 0:04:10.140 --> 0:04:13.320 every one of us, in the hours of our frustration, 0:04:13.420 --> 0:04:15.680 would get up and walk the room, because you just 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.219 couldn't sit anymore, and would all go to the cart 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:23.460 with the exhibits. He, I think, got up to the 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.680 cart once, very briefly, and went back to his seat. 0:04:27.980 --> 0:04:28.880 He would not. 0:04:30.790 --> 0:04:37.200 He would not interact with us and try to understand. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.060 We read to him on numerous occasions the definition of 0:04:41.220 --> 0:04:46.980 reasonable doubt from Judge Sullivan's instruction. He actually said one 0:04:47.020 --> 0:04:49.480 day in the end, why don't we have the judge 0:04:49.500 --> 0:04:51.460 come in and read it again? And we were like, no, 0:04:51.970 --> 0:04:56.550 we have it in front of us. We don't need that. 0:04:57.050 --> 0:05:01.010 And we would highlight it. And, you know, so-and-so, this 0:05:01.370 --> 0:05:04.390 is the definition of a reason to go. But he 0:05:04.410 --> 0:05:07.190 had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay 0:05:07.750 --> 0:05:09.190 viciously killed her children. 0:05:09.210 --> 0:05:11.440 Yeah, well, you know, I can understand why it's a 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.900 difficult thing to get past. The fact that she strangled 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.300 three little kids and you had to look at their 0:05:16.339 --> 0:05:18.820 pictures over and over again and all that sort of stuff. 0:05:18.900 --> 0:05:21.580 That leaves a mark. But for the whole. 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:29.640 I didn't follow the trial every single day. It's hard 0:05:29.660 --> 0:05:33.340 for me to imagine how you could prove to me 0:05:33.580 --> 0:05:36.310 beyond a reasonable doubt that she's not crazy. 0:05:37.270 --> 0:05:37.650 Well, right. 0:05:37.690 --> 0:05:41.990 There are 14, maybe 15 states where the burden is 0:05:42.190 --> 0:05:46.589 on the state. Once the defense introduces credible evidence of 0:05:46.610 --> 0:05:49.729 a mental defect, the prosecution must prove the defendant's sanity 0:05:49.770 --> 0:05:50.750 beyond a reasonable doubt. 0:05:51.290 --> 0:05:53.250 That is an odd thing to demand. 0:05:53.250 --> 0:05:58.030 30 of the other states, except for five, I'm sorry, 0:05:58.089 --> 0:06:01.370 except for four, say the defendant bears the burden of 0:06:01.410 --> 0:06:05.030 proving they were insane, usually by a preponderance of evidence 0:06:05.150 --> 0:06:08.430 or clear and convincing evidence. So it's interesting that the 0:06:08.550 --> 0:06:12.750 few states, including Massachusetts, that put the burden on the prosecution, 0:06:12.770 --> 0:06:14.359 not only put the burden on the prosecution, but they 0:06:14.380 --> 0:06:19.510 have a much higher standard of There are four states, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, 0:06:19.550 --> 0:06:22.210 and Utah, that do not permit a traditional insanity defense 0:06:22.250 --> 0:06:25.000 at all. I don't know how that works exactly if 0:06:25.010 --> 0:06:30.640 you're completely Froot Loops, but yeah, it is the absolutely 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.300 under-discussed aspect of this trial. 0:06:34.860 --> 0:06:40.780 Well, so there were five charges that they had available 0:06:40.820 --> 0:06:46.510 to them. Those 11 wanted which one? Acquittal. Which would 0:06:46.540 --> 0:06:47.980 have been she walks out of the courtroom? 0:06:48.690 --> 0:06:49.380 No, no. 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.820 Years and years and years of care in a mental 0:06:52.860 --> 0:06:56.000 health facility with annual appraisals of whether she was a 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.740 danger to herself and others. Okay. Keeping in mind this 0:06:59.779 --> 0:07:03.360 woman is now apparently, allegedly, completely sane and is completely 0:07:03.420 --> 0:07:04.680 aware she choked her. 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.020 Three children to death. 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:07.200 Yeah. 0:07:07.420 --> 0:07:10.160 So at the point she's no longer a suicide risk, 0:07:10.500 --> 0:07:11.360 call me at home. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:12.980 I'm not going to wait for your call. 0:07:15.410 --> 0:07:21.240 Yeah, a lot of people have commented on that. She's 0:07:21.300 --> 0:07:24.160 no longer a danger to society. 0:07:24.180 --> 0:07:29.980 As long as she doesn't give birth to another child. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.640 Yeah, we got one text who said, how is she 0:07:32.740 --> 0:07:36.090 not like, you got to keep me locked up. I mean, 0:07:36.350 --> 0:07:38.810 look what I'm capable of. Just I can snap and 0:07:38.850 --> 0:07:41.190 do this sort of thing. There's something wrong with me. 0:07:41.210 --> 0:07:42.910 Yeah. 0:07:44.850 --> 0:07:45.150 Horrible. 0:07:47.110 --> 0:07:48.930 So what a weird thing all the way around. So 0:07:48.950 --> 0:07:50.710 what do you think of the whole bout? You think 0:07:50.790 --> 0:07:59.830 he was just letting his disgust with what she did 0:08:00.070 --> 0:08:03.010 override his following the law? 0:08:03.530 --> 0:08:07.740 I'm conflicted here because I agree with his conclusion. On 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.920 the other hand, it seems to me a pretty clear 0:08:09.980 --> 0:08:13.790 case of what they'll sometimes call jury nullification. Where the 0:08:13.830 --> 0:08:15.830 juror says, yeah, I understand that's the law, but the 0:08:15.850 --> 0:08:17.800 law sucks. I'm not going to be party to it. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.280 And that shouldn't happen. It's just not a good thing 0:08:21.340 --> 0:08:24.980 to happen in general. That's not your job as a juror, 0:08:25.340 --> 0:08:26.360 but I understand. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.320 Boy, and this is an extreme case. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:29.640 Oh, yeah. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.220 There ain't no way, I don't care what you say, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.240 I can't vote to acquit this woman. 0:08:34.900 --> 0:08:35.140 Right. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.280 I've seen the pictures. I know what she did. 0:08:37.870 --> 0:08:38.070 Yeah. 0:08:38.370 --> 0:08:39.609 Like I said, I can understand it. 0:08:39.710 --> 0:08:40.480 That's a rough one. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.540 So, do you have more on that topic? 0:08:43.620 --> 0:08:47.330 Or I thought this was about as well put an 0:08:47.380 --> 0:08:50.150 expression of the sentiment I have come across. I do 0:08:50.190 --> 0:08:53.569 not know this gal's name, but here she is, 68, Michael. 0:08:54.050 --> 0:08:57.030 Okay, with this Lancey Clancy child, I feel like maybe 0:08:57.290 --> 0:08:59.429 I missed the mark because I've been seeing all of 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.280 y'all's videos and I'm just a woman. 0:09:02.300 --> 0:09:04.740 So maybe I just didn't understand fully, so help me 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:05.400 out here, okay? 0:09:05.740 --> 0:09:08.480 Because what I have gathered from all of your information 0:09:08.500 --> 0:09:10.740 that you've put out there is is that women are 0:09:10.940 --> 0:09:15.850 fully incapable of self-governing our emotions and our hormones. So 0:09:15.970 --> 0:09:19.730 if we murder someone or multiple people, it is absolutely 0:09:19.770 --> 0:09:22.790 not our fault. It is because of our emotions and 0:09:22.850 --> 0:09:24.990 our hormones that made us do it. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.900 Because we cannot control it. Unless we went to the. 0:09:28.900 --> 0:09:31.860 Doctor and we got put on medication for these hormones 0:09:31.980 --> 0:09:32.720 and emotions. 0:09:34.450 --> 0:09:36.750 But then it's the medication's fault. It's not our fault. 0:09:36.850 --> 0:09:38.990 It's not our hormones and emotions' fault anymore because we're 0:09:39.010 --> 0:09:41.330 on medicine for it. And so then it's the medicine's 0:09:41.370 --> 0:09:44.310 fault if we murder someone. Unless it's the wrong. 0:09:44.130 --> 0:09:47.510 Medicine, too much medicine, not enough medicine, then it's the 0:09:47.550 --> 0:09:50.010 doctor's fault. It's definitely not our fault as women. 0:09:50.110 --> 0:09:53.610 It is the doctor's fault or the medication's fault or 0:09:53.670 --> 0:09:54.790 our hormones and emotions. 0:09:55.030 --> 0:09:56.670 But you know what else we are? We are women. 0:09:57.030 --> 0:09:59.969 We are to be respected. We are to be seen as. 0:10:00.150 --> 0:10:02.120 equal to men. We can do every job that a 0:10:02.140 --> 0:10:04.260 man can do. We can be the next president. We 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.580 can be police officers. We can be in high stressful 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:12.900 jobs with weapons. Unless our hormones go crazy because then 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.320 our emotions and our hormones could cause us to pop 0:10:15.380 --> 0:10:17.790 off and act some type of way. But it's not 0:10:17.870 --> 0:10:20.890 our fault. It's not our fault. It is our hormones 0:10:20.950 --> 0:10:23.130 and our emotions. Unless we're on medicine, then it's the medication. 0:10:23.410 --> 0:10:25.930 Unless it's the wrong medicine, too much medicine, not enough medicine, then. 0:10:25.870 --> 0:10:26.550 It's the doctors. 0:10:27.110 --> 0:10:27.770 That's pretty good. 0:10:28.490 --> 0:10:29.610 That's pretty damn good. 0:10:30.970 --> 0:10:34.630 The response would be, well, postpartum psychosis is a very 0:10:34.730 --> 0:10:39.620 limited and specific diagnosis of a very specific malady. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.600 It's not just emotions and hormones, etc., etc. 0:10:42.940 --> 0:10:46.510 On the other hand, the takeaway culturally is is pretty 0:10:46.550 --> 0:10:47.880 much what she said. 0:10:48.290 --> 0:10:50.900 Well, and then there's been this blurring the lines of 0:10:51.820 --> 0:10:56.240 postpartum psychosis versus postpartum depression, which is where I think 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.380 a lot of the support comes in from the various 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.329 women across the country holding their babies up on TikTok saying, 0:11:01.660 --> 0:11:06.130 me too, or whatever, which is just disgusting. 0:11:06.150 --> 0:11:06.810 Same, Lindsay. 0:11:07.070 --> 0:11:09.630 But her lawyer yesterday, I saw him on one of 0:11:09.650 --> 0:11:13.520 the TV shows saying, saying maybe now we can move 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.699 out of the dark ages with the way we handle 0:11:15.740 --> 0:11:20.180 postpartum depression. So he blurred the lines between postpartum depression 0:11:20.220 --> 0:11:22.520 and psychosis and claims we're living in the dark ages 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.650 for the way we handle treat women over this. 0:11:25.370 --> 0:11:25.970 Smart lawyer. 0:11:26.330 --> 0:11:27.929 I'll bet he played that in the courtroom, too. 0:11:28.170 --> 0:11:29.710 I don't know. I haven't read the transcript. 0:11:29.730 --> 0:11:31.580 Or he's preparing for the next go-round for her. 0:11:32.010 --> 0:11:38.290 Yeah, it's certainly possible. This one is so thorny and disturbing. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.440 If someone said to me, look. 0:11:42.170 --> 0:11:45.640 All of this is really interesting. But if I design 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.220 a society, it's going to say if you murder your children, 0:11:49.260 --> 0:11:54.939 you're going away for good. I would say to that person, yeah, yeah, 0:11:55.140 --> 0:11:55.700 I see your point. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.740 And I think 90% of people would agree with that. 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:01.210 Hard to say. 0:12:01.750 --> 0:12:05.010 It is hard to say. You can get hammered drunk. 0:12:05.170 --> 0:12:07.250 You killed somebody. You're guilty. You don't get to say 0:12:07.309 --> 0:12:09.270 I was drunk. I was out of my mind. I 0:12:09.290 --> 0:12:11.150 don't even remember it. I don't even know what happened. 0:12:11.750 --> 0:12:14.510 How about you completely lose your temper and see red? 0:12:15.290 --> 0:12:17.790 You're in a state you may never be in again 0:12:17.890 --> 0:12:19.770 as long as you live, but you have murderous rage 0:12:19.809 --> 0:12:21.510 for two minutes and the person ends up dead. 0:12:22.090 --> 0:12:26.199 You're guilty. If you're that and drunk, you're guilty. 0:12:27.740 --> 0:12:27.940 Yeah. 0:12:28.580 --> 0:12:31.060 Man, that woman, that little thing she laid out, she 0:12:31.100 --> 0:12:32.460 was good. She needs to have her own talk show 0:12:32.500 --> 0:12:32.860 or something. 0:12:33.500 --> 0:12:35.120 No, she'd compete with us. She sucks. 0:12:35.179 --> 0:12:35.559 Boo. 0:12:35.620 --> 0:12:38.980 Well, ladies and germs, the wait is over for one 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.719 brand of pro football coming back tonight. Football is here, 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:43.339 and so is DraftKings. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.640 DraftKings is now live in all 50 states, one app 0:12:46.730 --> 0:12:47.969 every sport nationwide. 0:12:48.090 --> 0:12:50.970 New DraftKings customers sign up with the code Armstrong. Spend 0:12:50.970 --> 0:12:54.709 $ 5 to get $ 200 in rewards within 21 days. Includes 0:12:54.750 --> 0:12:58.230 all markets. That's code Armstrong. 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And 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.050 you ought to know about it. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.079 And we have some incredibly compelling testimony from the mouths 0:14:10.100 --> 0:14:14.240 of reformed Muslims who would like to make it clear 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.500 exactly what the risks are. So I hope you can 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:18.310 stay tuned for that. 0:14:18.730 --> 0:14:19.410 One more piece. 0:14:19.430 --> 0:14:20.490 It's this century's nightmare. 0:14:20.790 --> 0:14:21.210 That's right. 0:14:21.250 --> 0:14:21.670 Jihadism. 0:14:22.490 --> 0:14:22.830 That's true. 0:14:24.010 --> 0:14:27.830 A quick note, FIRE, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, 0:14:28.170 --> 0:14:30.580 are out with their college free speech rankings, and 121 0:14:30.580 --> 0:14:35.100 out of the 261 schools got an F for their 0:14:35.140 --> 0:14:35.780 speech climate. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:37.020 We'll be diving into that. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:38.000 But the kids got an A. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:41.360 So true. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.370 Yeah, the percentages of the students who find shouting down 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.870 a speaker or blocking people from attending or using violence 0:14:49.930 --> 0:14:52.470 to stop them from speaking, the number of kids who 0:14:52.510 --> 0:14:56.109 find that acceptable will shock you to your core, if 0:14:56.130 --> 0:14:57.370 you'd like to be shocked to your core. 0:14:57.930 --> 0:14:59.030 But first, this story. 0:15:00.150 --> 0:15:03.550 An Australian woman has given birth to twins conceived by 0:15:03.670 --> 0:15:04.550 separate fathers. 0:15:05.410 --> 0:15:05.750 Oh, boy. 0:15:07.620 --> 0:15:10.310 Katie, that was exactly the sort of look. That was, 0:15:10.470 --> 0:15:12.250 that was, uh, wait, what? 0:15:12.270 --> 0:15:14.030 Yeah, the math isn't mathing, Hal. 0:15:14.910 --> 0:15:17.500 In what is believed to be the country's first such case, 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:22.440 the mother from Queensland was carrying a couple's IVF embryo 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:24.740 when she became pregnant. 0:15:24.740 --> 0:15:26.640 In the natural fashion last year. 0:15:26.660 --> 0:15:27.830 Sorry for calling you a slut. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:36.860 Well, for all we know, she is entirely monogamous and 0:15:36.940 --> 0:15:38.560 reliable as a. 0:15:40.140 --> 0:15:40.500 Partner. 0:15:40.580 --> 0:15:45.580 I jump to conclusions. And yet, a surrogate mother. 0:15:46.210 --> 0:15:49.950 So, she gave birth to a boy, which was hers, 0:15:50.250 --> 0:15:53.790 and a girl, which was a different couple's, as she 0:15:53.850 --> 0:15:54.890 was the surrogate. 0:15:54.950 --> 0:15:55.490 Wow! 0:15:56.370 --> 0:15:59.470 In November of last year, apparently. Are they considered brother 0:15:59.510 --> 0:15:59.950 and sister? 0:15:59.970 --> 0:16:00.030 No. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:02.800 There was, that's a great question. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.950 There was no dispute over parenthood, and the couples had 0:16:05.970 --> 0:16:08.870 been raising their children separately since their birth. 0:16:11.270 --> 0:16:13.930 But the case became public because. 0:16:13.950 --> 0:16:17.370 So the babies just split ways? It's been real. It's 0:16:17.410 --> 0:16:19.810 been fun, but it ain't been real fun. See you later. 0:16:19.950 --> 0:16:20.790 Good hang, bud. 0:16:20.850 --> 0:16:21.150 See ya. 0:16:21.210 --> 0:16:21.630 Exactly. 0:16:21.690 --> 0:16:22.250 Yeah, yeah. 0:16:22.310 --> 0:16:23.290 Hey, you're a good roommate. 0:16:23.330 --> 0:16:26.900 I appreciate the courtesy, but I'm off. Yeah, exactly. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.060 So this is in court now because the state has 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:35.140 surrogacy laws that ban the separation of birth siblings. You 0:16:35.180 --> 0:16:38.020 can't become a breeding sow and just knock out as 0:16:38.060 --> 0:16:41.300 many kids, twins or triplets or whatever, and sell each 0:16:41.420 --> 0:16:42.740 one to a different couple or whatever. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:44.820 They have laws against that. 0:16:45.660 --> 0:16:48.140 So one judge has ruled that the babies were not 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.200 birth siblings under the laws in the unique case. They 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.140 were gestational twins. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:55.990 So. Hmm. Hmm. 0:16:56.620 --> 0:16:57.160 Who knows? 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.370 Sounds like I got complicated quickly. Yeah. 0:17:00.470 --> 0:17:01.150 Yeah, yeah. 0:17:01.170 --> 0:17:03.970 You're already pregnant. Don't be going having sex with some 0:17:04.030 --> 0:17:05.830 other dude. Of course, she probably didn't think I could 0:17:05.850 --> 0:17:06.609 get pregnant again. 0:17:06.630 --> 0:17:12.710 Oh, right. Why was she ovulating? 0:17:12.750 --> 0:17:14.050 If you have sex with your pregnant. 0:17:14.070 --> 0:17:14.410 Hey, you! 0:17:14.570 --> 0:17:15.880 Why are you ovulating? 0:17:16.130 --> 0:17:18.560 You know, like, if you have sex with your pregnant wife, 0:17:18.580 --> 0:17:20.080 you don't think, oh, God, this is going to lead 0:17:20.100 --> 0:17:21.720 to twins. You don't think that. 0:17:22.820 --> 0:17:26.000 Or maybe two babies three months apart or six months 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.760 or maybe a baby every month and a half. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:29.760 Your wife would kill you for that and you would 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:30.270 deserve it. 0:17:33.100 --> 0:17:35.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what we don't have time for? 0:17:36.609 --> 0:17:39.510 You can figure out the rest. This story comes out 0:17:39.550 --> 0:17:43.490 every few years. Silicon Valley executives are big tech fans, 0:17:43.690 --> 0:17:47.270 but not for their own kids. The number of tech 0:17:47.310 --> 0:17:51.369 heavyweights who say, no freaking way, my 14-year-old's on social media. 0:17:51.670 --> 0:17:53.170 It ought to get your damn attention. 0:17:53.450 --> 0:17:53.790 Wow. 0:17:54.250 --> 0:17:58.620 That maybe in the hour four we can get into that. Sobering, 0:17:58.630 --> 0:18:02.900 and I hate being sobered. Coming up next half hour, though, 0:18:04.140 --> 0:18:07.600 the 9-11 families, by the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds, 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.359 are saying to Mamdani, stay away. 0:18:09.380 --> 0:18:11.660 And I think they've got a damn good case. We'll 0:18:11.700 --> 0:18:12.220 get into that. 0:18:12.619 --> 0:18:14.520 If you miss it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty 0:18:14.619 --> 0:18:15.020 On Demand. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.179 Armstrong and Getty. 0:18:19.619 --> 0:18:23.940 Mayor Mamdani plans to actually attend the September 11th ceremonies 0:18:24.030 --> 0:18:26.710 marking the 25th anniversary of the terrorist attacks. 0:18:28.890 --> 0:18:31.609 But this is nice. 19 of his family members are 0:18:31.710 --> 0:18:32.510 also flying in. 0:18:32.530 --> 0:18:34.100 Oh, wow. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.060 That's a heck of a joke. Now you're supporting him? 0:18:40.619 --> 0:18:42.580 We're going to get back to the question of Mamdani 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.620 at the 9-11 festivities in a moment or two. We've 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.980 been talking a fair amount about the AI doomers today, 0:18:50.060 --> 0:18:53.990 including a fellow just quit, Anthropic. And that may or 0:18:54.030 --> 0:18:57.010 may not come to visit mankind. But I will tell 0:18:57.030 --> 0:19:00.890 you this with 100% certainty. There is a massive worldwide 0:19:00.950 --> 0:19:04.169 political movement that aims to conquer the Western world in 0:19:04.190 --> 0:19:08.640 the name of a brutal fundamentalist religion-slash-political system called that 0:19:08.700 --> 0:19:11.700 is called Islam. Fundamentalist Islam is on the march, and 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.550 they're in the United States in large numbers. And if we, 0:19:16.030 --> 0:19:19.010 these 25 years after 9-11, have forgotten that, it's time 0:19:19.030 --> 0:19:22.310 to remember in a big damn hurry for a couple 0:19:22.330 --> 0:19:22.670 of reasons. 0:19:22.690 --> 0:19:23.970 Number one, the threat's never gone away. 0:19:23.990 --> 0:19:26.400 And number two, we were talking the other day about 0:19:26.460 --> 0:19:29.520