WEBVTT - How Dolphins Work!

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<v Speaker 1>And welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry's here too, And this is stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>where we use a lot of up speak. So there

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<v Speaker 1>you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that your dolphin?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hadn't practiced for a while, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>a little rusty.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, can I just very quickly mention the correction? Oh sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm free wheeling it here. But we got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of emails from people that are in disbelief that we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know it's chassis.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I knew its Chassie. I used it correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Everyone said that we were saying chassis, and every

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<v Speaker 2>time I said it, you were like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I would. I just didn't correct you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Well, I appreciate that sometimes you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't like to be corrected, or else you're like, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying it that way. So I just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>not so to leave you out there twisting or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, interesting, if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Want, maybe we can retake this whole thing and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just I'll just take it with you. How about that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's all right. Anyway, I didn't know was pronounced chassis.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that I hear it, I've heard that word. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a car guy, so I don't know these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I feel really terrible. I mean, I feel terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very sorry. I'll correct you every single time from

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<v Speaker 1>now on. Okay, great, Okay, I'll just bring the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>to a screeching halt and be like, no, that was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's really funny.

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<v Speaker 1>What a twist, man, I'm sorry, Chuck. So we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about dolphins. Is that how I was pronounced?

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<v Speaker 2>I think?

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<v Speaker 1>So, okay, that's that we should say it. Then. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty excited about this one, Chuck, because, as everybody knows,

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<v Speaker 1>dolphins are awesome, and we're going to talk about all

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons why they're awesome. It's pretty much the gist

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, dolphins are marine mammals. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess we should start there, and that entails a whole

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<v Speaker 2>host of things that we're going to go over, not

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<v Speaker 2>just some fish, but they technically are cetaceans, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>a marine mammal, along with eighty other types of species,

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<v Speaker 2>including whales. And if you think porpoises are the same,

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<v Speaker 2>it's in that same species.

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<v Speaker 1>So relax, right, And I just realized, Chuck, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any of my notes here, so I could try

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<v Speaker 1>to wing it, or you can just wait a second

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<v Speaker 1>and I can go get my notes, go.

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<v Speaker 2>Get your notes, and I'll just continue and no, it

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<v Speaker 2>will be any the wiser, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you can fill me in when I get back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>There are forty plus species of dolphin and they're in

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<v Speaker 2>the family of oceanic dolphins or delphinity. And there's also

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<v Speaker 2>river dolphins. So I know everyone's out there saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>there's river dolphins out there. There aren't many. There's four

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<v Speaker 2>river not just four, but four kinds of river dolphins,

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<v Speaker 2>and each one is just one species. So those are

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<v Speaker 2>the river dolphins.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've always found that so weird. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>know that taxonomically you're supposed to really kind of stick

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<v Speaker 1>to it, but there's got to be a better way,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. But we're I mean, we're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about other kinds, but we're mainly gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about the bottle nose of which they're about

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred thousand, because the bottlenose dolphin is the one

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone is most familiar with and the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>are on TV and unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>And dolphin aarians, uh yeah, where they keep dolphins as hostages.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and make them perform tricks for dopes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. Yeah. So yeah, bottlenos are the money dolphins.

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<v Speaker 1>It's everdvice talking about, and that's what we're gonna talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>And they I think they're one of the more studied

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<v Speaker 1>ones too, even though the common ones are so many

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<v Speaker 1>more of them. But we know that dolphins bottlenose dolphins.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I think basically when we're saying dolphins, unless

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<v Speaker 1>we specify, we're talking about bottlenose dolphins, how's that for

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<v Speaker 1>some guardrails?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. And also speaking of guardrails, we might

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<v Speaker 2>as well just go ahead and say, I know there'd

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<v Speaker 2>be plenty of kids listening because they love our animal episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and the dolphin episode gets a little you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little blue not blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Necessarily, it gets a little sexy here in there, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's just the deal with dolphins.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So so yeah, so I think that was a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good seahoey man, because it does get a little you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I mean, hey, we're I feel like this is

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<v Speaker 2>all like scientific stuff, so we should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>handle it and kids should be able to handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if there are any adults that are like, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you talking about, then do the little research first.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Oh, so, I think I was talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>bottlenose dolphins are pretty well studied that we know that

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<v Speaker 1>they live for about forty five to fifty years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good, that's in the wild. Yeah, of course, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about plenty of animals over the years where

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<v Speaker 1>they actually live longer in captivity, usually because they're just

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<v Speaker 1>food for other larger animals. That's not true with dolphins.

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<v Speaker 1>Their lifespan is usually much shorter, and that's controversial. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that later. But we know that in the

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<v Speaker 1>wild fifty years that's a pretty aged dolphin if you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, agreed, that's a nice long life I think for

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<v Speaker 2>a sea creature.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well more can they ask for? Stop complaining dolphins?

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<v Speaker 2>There was one supposedly that was sixty seven years old,

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<v Speaker 2>presumed dead in twenty seventeen, But my friend, I like

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<v Speaker 2>to think that that dolphin is seventy five right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. I think that's a great way to look at things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so do you kind of see dolphins closer to shore?

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they are basically just out to see. It depends

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<v Speaker 1>on the species. I think common dolphins stay fairly close

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<v Speaker 1>to shore. Bottlenose will get right up on you essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the place where you mean. I used to live kind

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<v Speaker 1>of along the coast in our backyard. Dolphins would swim

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a lagoon. And now that I know a

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<v Speaker 1>little more about dolphins, I always assumed they were bottle nose,

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<v Speaker 1>but now that I know a little more, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that they were probably common dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>Well there's a lot more. There's like millions and millions

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<v Speaker 2>of those, and about six hundred thousand bottle nose. So yeah, statistically,

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably right precisely.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the other reason that I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>because they would basically put on a show chasing fish.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd jump out of the water and they chase the

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<v Speaker 1>fish backwards. It was really something to see. And apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the common dolphins are more acrobatic than bottle nose.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and they might have been playing, as we'll see,

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<v Speaker 2>you never know, that's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>They might have been teasing them poor fish.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are somewhere where you can look up safely

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<v Speaker 2>on the computer and image, you should look up pa

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<v Speaker 2>ki Ce t u s the I guess the pacasidas.

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<v Speaker 1>You nailed it, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the common ancestor that dolphins share. That was

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<v Speaker 2>around about fifty million years ago. And if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at it and say, well, wait a minute, Chuck, this

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<v Speaker 2>thing's walking around on four legs with fur. That's because

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<v Speaker 2>that's where dolphins came from. It's pretty remarkable when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at it. It looks like when you see the

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<v Speaker 2>head of that thing, you can see the dolphin in it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So dolphins are more closely related to hippopotami than

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<v Speaker 1>they are like sea lions or otters or anything like

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<v Speaker 1>that that are also aquatic or semi aquatic. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>because this this pacasidas basically moved to the water little

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<v Speaker 1>by little by little, and it's one of those rare

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<v Speaker 1>evolutions where we have like a complete fossil record from

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<v Speaker 1>pecasidas to dolphin. We know all of the iterations that

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<v Speaker 1>went through over the tens and tens of millions of years.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's I mean, that's where dolphins came from. They

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<v Speaker 1>were basically these wolf size creatures.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and one of them, I guess spent a little

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<v Speaker 2>extra time in the water and it was like, you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>this is fantastic, Like you should come in here, we

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<v Speaker 2>should all just stay a little longer. And then before

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<v Speaker 2>you know it, their legs turned into flippers exactly two

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<v Speaker 2>or three days.

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<v Speaker 1>What's cool, too, is there when dolphins are in the

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<v Speaker 1>embryonic stage, they actually start to develop limbs. Yeah, before

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<v Speaker 1>the jeans kick in and we'll actually kick off, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>and they stop developing and then get absorbed. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>like in a stage of development they start to grow limbs.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's I mean, it's a pretty good indication they

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<v Speaker 1>used to be land mammals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have vestigial ears, as we'll see too, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just just kind of tease that out, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then so the speciation from land mammal to semi

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<v Speaker 1>aquatic mammal to fully aquatic mammal. The dolphin was complete

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<v Speaker 1>when somebody mentioned being wet to a dolphin and the

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<v Speaker 1>dolphin said, what is wet?

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was my that was my understanding from the

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<v Speaker 1>National History Museum.

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<v Speaker 2>So like we said that, you know, they're gonna share

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<v Speaker 2>some characteristics with land mammals, but they have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of really cool traits and some of these are like

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<v Speaker 2>you may know, and some of these are just I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're wondering why people are obsessed with dolphins, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just because they go to a dolphin show and

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<v Speaker 2>think they're awesome, or maybe that's why you might be

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with them, listener, But there are so many remarkable,

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<v Speaker 2>amazing facts about dolphins. They just kind of stack up,

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<v Speaker 2>like usually when we do anamal episodes or like one

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<v Speaker 2>or two like Factor the episodes, but this is just

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<v Speaker 2>riddled with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's let's start. And also a big shout

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<v Speaker 1>out thanks to Kyle for helping us out with this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Kyle, Okay, thanks mate, or.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's probably key Lay, now that I think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel I feel terrible, Chuck. I'm so sorry, man.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's okay. So they are placental mammals, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna they're not gonna lay eggs like you might see

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<v Speaker 2>a fish stew in the water. They bear live young

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<v Speaker 2>and it depends on the species, but their pregnancies are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be between about ten and eighteen months. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I mentioned while you were gone that orcas

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<v Speaker 2>are part of this group or species family family. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, them, they're actually dolphins, they're not real whales.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. So I think the orcas have the longest

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<v Speaker 2>gestation period of about eighteen months. But it's very cute

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<v Speaker 2>because they're going to nurse those calves sometimes up to

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<v Speaker 2>two years, at a minimum of six months, and those

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<v Speaker 2>little babies stay with mama for up to five years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like toddlers. Isn't that adorable?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that I hadn't considered is that so dolphins

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<v Speaker 1>nurse underwater? Wait, do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>After your child passes toddlerhood they're just sent out to

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<v Speaker 2>the wild.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my understanding from the National History Museum. Again, Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 1>they're really misinforming me.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>So one thing I hadn't thought of as I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>is that that dolphin is to nurse underwater, which it

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<v Speaker 1>could be kind of hard. And then adding to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they don't have lips that they can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of latch onto a nipple with. It's a puzzler. And

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that the way that they nurse is

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<v Speaker 1>by rolling their tongue into essentially a straw. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they latch onto. And apparently we know that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the tastiest milk as far as a human

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<v Speaker 1>palette is concerned, thanks to a scientist named Lillian Eichelberger, who,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess on a dare drank some dolphin milk and

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<v Speaker 1>was like, it's fishy, oily, it lacks sweetness, No, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if you think that's a weird thing to

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<v Speaker 2>do while studying dolphins, just strap in, because it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Things get much weirder. That was for sure nineteen forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Things got weird in the seventies, as we'll see, but

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<v Speaker 2>this got like a milkshake consistency, which is why I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the straw shaped tongue kind of fits.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they have to swim. Obviously, they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to swim to survive because they breathe air, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like they need air to pass across gills to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, good point.

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<v Speaker 1>They do swim quite a bit. They're known for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Their bodies are actually streamlined to help them swim even more.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing I also didn't know is that the pectoral fins,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that stand up off the back where you're

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<v Speaker 1>like shark and then your friend says, no, it's dolphin.

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<v Speaker 1>You go, oh, a dolphin. They have no bone. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe there's just cartilage and those are they use those

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<v Speaker 1>to help to steer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, it's like a little steering unit. They

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<v Speaker 2>have a layer of blubber. You associate blubber with whales,

0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.959
<v Speaker 2>but the dolphin has blubber too, which is going to

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<v Speaker 2>provide a little bit of buoyancy if they haven't had

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<v Speaker 2>food in a while, you know, just like humans do.

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<v Speaker 2>They can sort of devour their own fat, helps out

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<v Speaker 2>with body heat. And then besides that steering, they have

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<v Speaker 2>two horizontal flukes on the tail, so they move vertically.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's another great way to tell a shark from

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<v Speaker 2>a dolphin, aside from just opening your eyeballs, because right,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they look quite different. But the shark, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>has that vertical tail that sort of goes from side

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<v Speaker 2>to side. The dolphins is flipped and to me looks

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<v Speaker 2>like a more efficient system.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's just a guess you'd think. So the sharks

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<v Speaker 1>seem to do pretty well for themselves though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and real quick inshow correction, I guess the dorsal

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<v Speaker 2>fin is the one on top, right, Yes, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>for the stability. The steering comes from those little side flippers,

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<v Speaker 2>the pectoral fins.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I definitely got that wrong. So to like

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<v Speaker 1>reimagine it, just imagine a kid running around with their

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<v Speaker 1>arms sticking out like they're pretending to fly, except dolphins

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<v Speaker 1>do it for real and in the water. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>the big differences.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Or like a kid running with their arms

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<v Speaker 2>to the side, like in the terrifying new movie Weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, don't tell me anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny that you always say that, even though I've

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<v Speaker 2>never told you anything about anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you just told me that. I just want you

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<v Speaker 1>to stop right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's on the poster, okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I can't wait to see that movie. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very exciting. And you said to see it in the theater, right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, I recommend it. I was at a sold out

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty a m. So people are pretty hyped about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was also kind of neat that there were

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<v Speaker 2>at least twenty local Atlanta crew as it turned out,

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<v Speaker 2>because when the credits started rolling, they were all hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out and like clapping for each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh neat that's very supportive. Did you know any of them?

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<v Speaker 2>I did, but I didn't know until afterward when Emily

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<v Speaker 2>said that my friend Stephanie worked on it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, she might have been one of those people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very cool. So yeah, I want to see that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Act to Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, dolphins are also known for as far as

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<v Speaker 1>they swim, they kind of jump in and out of

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<v Speaker 1>the water and can go quite fast doing that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called porpoising, much to dolphins chagrin. And it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just porpoises and dolphins that swim like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Penguins do too, And I was like, no way. This

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<v Speaker 1>came from the National History Museum, so I had to

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<v Speaker 1>go double check, and by god, I saw a video

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<v Speaker 1>of penguins swimming super fast, faster than dolphins, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were porpoising in and out of the water. It was

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<v Speaker 1>really something to see. Have you not seen that before?

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<v Speaker 1>Not that I know of. I mean, I forget stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's possible, but it seemed pretty shocking to me

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>Dolphins are also pretty good smellers. They have a blowhole

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically like nostrils in it's above the frontal skull bones,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of cool because it connects right to

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<v Speaker 2>their lungs. They're not mouth breathers, even though apparently they

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<v Speaker 2>did find a mouth breathing Hector's dolphin, which are dolphins

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<v Speaker 2>near New Zealand in twenty fifteen. Yeah, so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what that says about that guy, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>a mouth breather. But that blowhole, like I said, is

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<v Speaker 2>connected directly to the lungs, and they can open it

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<v Speaker 2>and close it with a nasal plug and they can

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<v Speaker 2>fill that thing up very very fast. Like in afraction

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<v Speaker 2>was second, they can fill up their lungs through the blowhole.

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<v Speaker 2>They only breathe five or six times a minute, and

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<v Speaker 2>they can't stand or water all day. But they can

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<v Speaker 2>stay down there for a few minutes at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure. But if they say down there too

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<v Speaker 1>long and they run out of air, they can't drown.

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<v Speaker 1>They are air breathing mammals. Yeah, don't forget that.

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<v Speaker 2>The saddest thing I could imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which we'll get to that later. Yeah, the blowhole

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<v Speaker 1>also does a really good job of expelling air, because

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<v Speaker 1>again this is like it's like our mouth breathing in

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<v Speaker 1>and out except on the top of our head. So

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<v Speaker 1>when they breathe out, especially having been underwater for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, they're breathing out warm air into usually colder

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<v Speaker 1>air because the sea temperature is usually warmer than the

0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.360
<v Speaker 1>surface temperature in a lot of cases, and it'll condense

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what their their spout is. It's like you

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<v Speaker 1>can see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty cool. And apparently you can tell like

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<v Speaker 2>different species apart by the like kind of spout they have.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, from what I understand, I couldn't, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think scientists can.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you take the una hemispheric sleep because that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty remarkable and you haven't had a wowie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh thanks. Also, I have a correction that I want

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<v Speaker 1>to put in too. Okay, okay, So we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>what dolphins do is uni hemispheric sleep, which is because

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<v Speaker 1>they are in danger of predation because they don't stop

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<v Speaker 1>and like you know, follow the bottom of the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually have to keep going while they're sleeping. So

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<v Speaker 1>what they do is shut down half of their brain

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<v Speaker 1>and the other half just kind of keeps an eye

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<v Speaker 1>on things. And then when the one brain, one side

0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.960
<v Speaker 1>of the brain has had enough sleep. It's which is

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<v Speaker 1>over to the other hemisphere, and then that one takes

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<v Speaker 1>its turn to sleep and the other one takes over

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of stand guard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sleeping with one eye open is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>an old like Western trope. But that's like so funny

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<v Speaker 2>that dolphins literally do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sure, and that actually ties in, chuck you ne

0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.280
<v Speaker 1>hemispheric sleep to our Zizzeyan's episode because they were trying

0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.520
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to do that themselves, which seems

0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.800
<v Speaker 1>to be impossible for humans from what I can tell.

0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, stay tuned for listener mail because

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<v Speaker 1>I have a correction related to the Zizians episode. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a correction loused episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, should we take a break?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll come back with correction fest right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we're back with more on dolphins. No more corrections,

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<v Speaker 2>I promise they have. And this is to me another

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<v Speaker 2>like fact of the show. They have incredible eyesight. They

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<v Speaker 2>see really really well within about a hundre and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>feet and they do this because they have two kind

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<v Speaker 2>of slightly flattened eyeballs on the sides of their head.

0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:08.600
<v Speaker 2>When you look at a dolphin. They're kind of on

0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the sides and they see from both simultaneously, and then

0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.760
<v Speaker 2>like us with binocular vision, they stitch it together to

0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.399
<v Speaker 2>see one thing. But what that results in is a

0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.960
<v Speaker 2>three hundred degree panoramic view nice where they can see

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<v Speaker 2>basically anywhere they want except right above them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's their one blind spot is above them. And

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<v Speaker 1>apparently if they're trying to get a really good look

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<v Speaker 1>at you, they'll tilt their head down and try to

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<v Speaker 1>look at you like that. It's pretty cute. Yeah, So

0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.720
<v Speaker 1>they actually do have really good eyesight underwater and above water.

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<v Speaker 1>And the way that they can transition from a fairly

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<v Speaker 1>dark environment to a bright, sunny environment because they have

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<v Speaker 1>a double slit in their pupils. So when their pupils

0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.360
<v Speaker 1>are wide open and say they're kind of dive, they've

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<v Speaker 1>dived deep and there's not a lot of light trying

0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to capture all of it. It looks like they have

0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.199
<v Speaker 1>two tiny pupils. But then as they come up to

0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.399
<v Speaker 1>the surface and they get closer to the sun, one

0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.080
<v Speaker 1>of their pupils or one of the slits closes in

0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.359
<v Speaker 1>it narrows, so they don't take in quite as much light.

0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.920
<v Speaker 1>So they can see pretty well and they're apparently up

0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to one hundred and fifty feet. They have just really

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<v Speaker 1>great eyesight from what we can tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they you know, it's important that they can

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<v Speaker 2>do that out of the water because when they porpoise

0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and jump out, they want to see everyone going, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, Larry. Look.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they give them a little wink nice yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>it makes a ding sound.

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<v Speaker 2>They have teeth, and they're not like, you know, big

0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:45.080
<v Speaker 2>scary shark teeth. They're kind of cone shaped. They eat fish,

0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.240
<v Speaker 2>of course, crustaceans, squid, and they use their beak. It's

0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:51.480
<v Speaker 2>also called a rostrum, but we just call it a beak,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, they'll grip that prey and they swallow

0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 2>it hole. And they're smart enough to know and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to how smart they are later, but they're smart

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<v Speaker 2>enough to know that they got swallow this fish headfirst,

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<v Speaker 2>so they don't catch those spines on their throats. And

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<v Speaker 2>if they come up against like a catfish or something

0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.960
<v Speaker 2>that's got like really you know, spiky spiny things coming

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<v Speaker 2>off their head, they'll bite those heads off and eat

0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:13.479
<v Speaker 2>the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll bet that's the sight to see yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>they also have really good hearing, which makes sense because

0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:25.119
<v Speaker 1>they use echolocation, which we'll talk about. But they have

0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 1>ear canals just like us, but they're totally useless. They're vestigial.

0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.760
<v Speaker 1>They don't connect to anything, and in fact, they're plugged

0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.080
<v Speaker 1>up with some pretty serious ear whacks that everybody just

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of considered a curiosity of whales and dolphins that

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.360
<v Speaker 1>they have big ear plugs of ear wax in their

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 1>ear canals that don't connect anything, and scientists realize like, oh, actually,

0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.959
<v Speaker 1>they put down layer after layer throughout their life. And

0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you can examine an ear plug or a plug of

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:57.760
<v Speaker 1>ear wax of a dolphin or a whale and pretty

0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.320
<v Speaker 1>closely estimate how old it is, like you'reing tree rings.

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<v Speaker 2>So cool.

0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I think so too.

0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I love that. And they can also, you know, get

0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:09.000
<v Speaker 2>into that ear wax and analyze it and see what

0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of like pollutants it was exposed to and stuff

0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 2>like that, maybe hormone fluctuations. So yeah, that's pretty awesome.

0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.160
<v Speaker 2>And that's like fairly recent, right.

0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know exactly when, but it is a

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:25.359
<v Speaker 1>fairly recent finding for sure. So yeah, look for more

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.320
<v Speaker 1>talk about dolphin earwax in the future.

0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:33.280
<v Speaker 2>They don't listen exactly like we do, but they receive

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:35.840
<v Speaker 2>high frequency sounds through And this is a pretty good

0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:39.400
<v Speaker 2>band named Acoustic Fats and their lower jaw and that's

0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 2>going to vibrate through their skull and they have these

0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I guess they're unattached internal earbones that pick

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 2>up this sound from the acoustic fats.

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they can hear sounds. But it's also really

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:58.320
<v Speaker 1>useful for echolocation too, where they send a click out

0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:00.040
<v Speaker 1>and then wait for it to bounce off something and

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<v Speaker 1>come back. It's received through that jawbone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.080
<v Speaker 1>And apparently because the teeth are so close to the

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 1>nerves that transmit this this impulse, they think that the

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.479
<v Speaker 1>teeth might actually act as amplifiers. And I wonder if

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:17.560
<v Speaker 1>that has to do with the cone shape too.

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh maybe so maybe. Yeah, I mean a cone is

0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 2>a very common way to amplify sound.

0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:25.840
<v Speaker 1>It is like an old timey cheerleader.

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. Yeah, I mean that's just another amazing fact.

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 2>They you know, navies use sonar, so it's and we'll

0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.400
<v Speaker 2>get into this little bit more. But you know, everyone

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 2>has sort of heard the stories about the damage that's

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:44.400
<v Speaker 2>done by you know, ships and navies and exploding things underwater.

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of the largest dolphins strandings took place because

0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>of sonar. There's a big multi national naval exercise in

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the Arabian Sea in two thousand and nine. I remember that, Yeah,

0:23:56.520 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 1>and two hundred dolphins just stranded themselves just trying to

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 1>get away from the horrible sounds. So, yeah, we've talked

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>about this before. It's a real issue. That's just nothing's

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:08.720
<v Speaker 1>being done about it.

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's uh, yeah, there's a lot of sadness in

0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 2>this episode for sure. They do vocalize, you know, you

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>just rewind and listen to Josh at the beginning if

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 2>you want to hear exactly what it sounds like. Don't

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:24.440
<v Speaker 2>bother going to YouTube or anything. They vocalize with whistles

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:28.720
<v Speaker 2>and pops and brays. They make these sounds with something

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.639
<v Speaker 2>called phonic lips, and those are near the blowhole.

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 1>That's a good one too.

0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Did you say band name?

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:35.399
<v Speaker 1>It's a good one.

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sonic Youth and Flaming Lips got together

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 2>for a Superman nice. I just saw the Flaming Lips

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>and they were great. Hadn't seen them in years. Oh yeah, yeah,

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>it's really really good.

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen them. I'm sure their shows are pretty great.

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty fun. But they have a larynx at

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.439
<v Speaker 2>the base of the blowhole, and that larynx is going

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.520
<v Speaker 2>to be able to sort of move and modulate sound

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:58.360
<v Speaker 2>by letting air kind of go through at different rates

0:24:58.359 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 2>of speed.

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then they also have something called a melon,

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 1>which is a big, massive fat in their forehead, which

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty Yeah, it's pretty characteristic of dolphin's look, but that

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 1>melon is actually able to focus sound like a lens.

0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.439
<v Speaker 1>The little fatty lump moves around. They can move it,

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 1>which is pretty cool. Like those people who can move

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.640
<v Speaker 1>their forehead up and down, right, I think that's essentially

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:28.959
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing, and it focuses the sound, including their echolocation.

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and get this, here's another fact of the episode.

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll take this one, you can take the next one.

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:40.439
<v Speaker 2>They can use this to basically name each other. They

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>can broadcast their identity and their location to other dolphins

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.879
<v Speaker 2>because they have signature whistles, so they come up with

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 2>their own whistle. They make that sound and everyone knows

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 2>that's Josh over there, Josh the dolphin.

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my name sounds like in dolphin and.

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Talk about what mommies do too. That's another wowie.

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, they found that they use baby talk, They use

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>higher frequency whistles and essentially use baby talk with their

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.440
<v Speaker 1>own calves, which is adorable.

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, are we at echolocation? Finally?

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I think? So this is a pretty cool This is

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the last fact. The rest of the stuff we're going

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.479
<v Speaker 1>to talk about is so dry you might as well

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to stop the episode.

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>No, not true, but you take this because it's a wowe.

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>It's essentially just like bats, right it is.

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.400
<v Speaker 1>And they figured out that bats and dolphins are essentially

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:33.880
<v Speaker 1>not at all related, so they developed pretty much identical

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 1>forms of echolocation independently. Yeah, it's an example of convergent evolution.

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>But what they do is they produce these clicks. They

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.680
<v Speaker 1>use the melon to focus those things like a laser,

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>and they can not only so they're bouncing a sound

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>wave off of something. It's coming back and then it

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>is translated into a mental map. So essentially they're seeing,

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.880
<v Speaker 1>they're experiencing a form of vision like we think of it,

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 1>but they're doing it through through sonar, essentially their own

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:10.239
<v Speaker 1>form of sonar. Yeah, and they it's like really really accurate.

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah. I mean they've done some studies and they

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 2>found that they were able to distinguish different disc sizes

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.239
<v Speaker 2>by as little as one tenth of a centimeter or

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>four hundreds of an inch.

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, which is very small. And I thought that was weird.

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.440
<v Speaker 1>One tenth of a centimeter. I was like, that sounds familiar,

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and then I realized it's a millimeter. I don't know

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>why anyone would put it like that. That's why you

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>have the metric system.

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you should ask Kyle.

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that bizarre?

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Huh So, their their echolocation is quite quite amazing. And

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I've seen also that they can they can see internal

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>organs in other animals. That's how penetrative. I guess their

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 1>their echolocation isn't just how nuanced it is.

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I know Predator is heat based, but I just that's

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>what I think of.

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 1>That's funny you say that I watched that two days

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>ago the og Yeah, and I this is definitely tied

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 1>with I guess Commando for Schwarzenegger's best movie.

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I saw Predator, the original one, but I didn't like

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 2>follow up with the whole Predator universe.

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't either. I just watched the first one again.

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, this is good.

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I think those new ones are supposed to be good.

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 2>To pray and then that other one coming up.

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh, really, they're supposed to be good.

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:33.640
<v Speaker 2>That's what I heard.

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Isn't there like a Predator versus Jason? Didn't it gets

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 1>it like off the as off the rails as they.

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Do Predator versus Alien. I think, Yeah, I didn't see

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 2>that either, and I love the Alien universe.

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guarantee Danny McBride's in that.

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Uh so. Dolphins are very social and that's one

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons also that people love them, because you

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>often see them swimming in large pods and seeming like

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 2>they're having a good time together. It's because they basically

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 2>are pods can be as small as two or up

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 2>to a thousand, but generally they're between forty and sixty,

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and they can form very long time social relationships.

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's different kinds of pods. There's like, you know,

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the pod pod, the original one. There's a bunch of

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 1>different dolphins that some have familial ties, some don't. There's

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>juvenile pods where they the kids reach I guess the

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 1>end of toddler stage and they're like, go on, go

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 1>form your own pod. So a bunch of them about

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the same ageable form of pod together. There's bachelor pods,

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>which is usually two sometimes three males that essentially just

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>form their own jam and crews around together, sometimes forming

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>lifelong friendships. And all of them have their advantages, like

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>it's easier to hunt that, it's easier to defend against

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>something trying to kill you. Yeah, it's easier to pass

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 1>down knowledge from one generation to another, which we'll talk

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>about in a second. So there's all sorts of advantages.

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>But because of their social nature, they do have a

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of traits that you're like, wow, that's really human.

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, for sure, this is I told Emily about

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>this one and she was like, well, that's bs, but

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 2>this is this is sometimes what happens. It's it's fairly rare,

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 2>but sometimes males will team up and steal a female

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 2>dolphin from another pod and basically, you know, keep her

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 2>captive and prevent her from returning.

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>And it looks like what they think is going on

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 2>is like they have a situation where they need a

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>female because their long gestation period is and lactation keeps

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 2>them from being available to breed for sometimes years at

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 2>a time, so they're like, we got a breed, We're

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna go take her and keep her here.

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's this high competition for females. So it's not

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the most tasteful dolphin fact around. So we'll follow that

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>one up with a more heartwarming one where they also

0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 1>have been observed in plenty of instances to engage in

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>altruistic behavior, like social behavior where they don't leave behind

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 1>like sicker injured friends.

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go ahead tell them about that one.

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I think this was in the mid two thousand aughts,

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I think whatever, there was a group of eleven dolphins

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>that essentially swam together to form a raft with their

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>injured companion in the middle to keep them from sinking

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>and dying. Yeah, and I mean that's pretty amazing altruistic behavior.

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I think they've also seen other ones do that too.

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>It's not like this is a one time thing, so

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty I mean there's a lot of animals

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>that are out there like, oh you're sick, good luck dying,

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 1>We're moving on, or I'll eat you exactly. Yeah, dolphins

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>don't do that. They try to take care of their peeps.

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Amazing. All right, I say, we take our second break,

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, and we come back with more on the

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 2>amazing dolphin right after this.

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 1>So, Chuck, one of the great things about dolphins is

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>that we know that they play. It's not anthropomorphizing, it's

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>they're playing. Juveniles play with one another. They sometimes play

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 1>with their parents. They'll swim around and the head of

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>another dolphin and just kind of tease them. We talked

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>about them teasing fish earlier. What is that all about?

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean sometimes they've been observed doing that. Like

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 2>they'll go up and not eat a fish, but they'll

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>like get the fish's tail in its mouth and being

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 2>like like kind of like I got your nose, and

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 2>then they'll swim away and the fishes like what just happened?

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then I'm swimming porpoising in the waves of

0:32:56.080 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>ships that are traveling fairly fast. They think, essentially, that's

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>for thrills and kicks. Yeah, that's so cool.

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty cool.

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>There are also gay dolphin behaviors as well, where those

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>male friends for life and the bachelor pods they'll have sex.

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, isn't that the whole point? In the Bachelor Pod.

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I think so, you know, yeah, that and playing video

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>games together afterwards.

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly. Yeah, I mean they this is where, you know,

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 2>gets a little sexy. But they basically on a daily basis,

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 2>they've observed dolphins exhibiting what's called non conceptive sexual behavior,

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 2>so they're not trying to reproduce. They're getting together and

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 2>having a good time for the fun of it.

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that and CSB for the church goers. That

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 1>also includes masturbation. Apparently captive dolphins do that every day,

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>which makes sense because they've got nothing else to do,

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>so they're just kind of bored. But they will use walls.

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Other dolphins they'll use trainer sometimes for stimulation. Yeah, and

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 1>that actually happens.

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw too. They might lean up against a

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 2>washing machine from time to time.

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty good. Is that real? Is that just a troper?

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Is that real?

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's happened. All right, let's talk about let's

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 2>clean this thing up. Well, actually we can't clean it

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 2>up because we're about to talk about something else like that.

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 2>We're talking about dolphins intelligence and we know they're smart

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of that comes from a guy named

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 2>doctor John C. Lilly in the nineteen sixties who really

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>put dolphins on the map in a bigger way by

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 2>saying that they're probably as intelligent as we are. He

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:48.240
<v Speaker 2>did some pretty awful experience experiments, like injecting them with LSD.

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 2>He mapped unsedated dolphins cerebral cortex with probes, and he

0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 2>was involved in a very infamous experiment in nineteen sixty three.

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I said it was the seventies. It was the sixties

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 2>when he got a woman named Margaret Howell love It

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>and paired her with a dolphin named Peter and a

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:16.839
<v Speaker 2>flooded apartment so they could live together and learn more

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 2>about each other.

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Lily was obsessed with the idea that dolphins

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 1>could learn English, not just to understand it, but to

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 1>speak it, because sometimes apparently they'll mimic's people speaking a

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>little bit with one of their squeaks. So He's like,

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>they clearly want to communicate. That's why he injected him

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>with LST. That's why he had Peter live with Margaret,

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and she was supposed to teach him how to say

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Hello Margaret, but apparently though the lessons would get interrupted

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>because Peter was rather randy dolphin. He was captive after all.

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:57.720
<v Speaker 1>So Margaret Howell love It became known as the woman

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:05.839
<v Speaker 1>who would manually satisfy really relief, and she was like, yes,

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I realized this is a very odd behavior. And apparently

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Hustler picked us up and wrote all about it, this crazy,

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>this crazy thing that was going on, and she was like, look,

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to actually interact with the dolphin, teach the

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>dolphin this, and Peter just can't focus on anything else.

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>So it's like an itch, you scratch it and then

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 1>you move on, And of course it's what everybody talked about.

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>But eventually the funding dried up and Peter was essentially

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>just kicked out of the apartment is separated from Margaret,

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:43.879
<v Speaker 1>who he'd essentially adopted as either a pod member or

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend or something. He had a very strong attachment

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>to her, and they just ripped him away from her,

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and it did not go very well.

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 2>No, he did not say so long and thanks for

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 2>all the fish. He very sadly appeared to have taken

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 2>his own life. He just kind of sunk himself to

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the bottom and didn't breathe anymore.

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how sad is that?

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh, dude, I mean, you put this dolphin in an

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 2>apartment with this woman, and then that happens, and then

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 2>he seemingly kills himself.

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kids, Yeah, I mean, if you ever see a

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>dolphin in captivity, it's it's a really horrible thing to see,

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>especially if it's like just indoors. It's just it's worse

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 1>than other animals I think, and I don't think any

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 1>animals should be kept in captivity, but dolphins seem to be.

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>It's just worse, you know.

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean to me, when you're talking about an

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 2>ocean dwelling species, it's a big area, right, Yeah, but

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:45.959
<v Speaker 2>they are smart sort of a long way of getting

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:47.879
<v Speaker 2>around and saying we know they're super smart. We've seen

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>their vocalizations and their social relationships and how they can

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>learn and mimic things. But you know, saying like they're

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 2>as smart as humans, it's just a weird. People should

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 2>stop comparing animals to humans like that.

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great point, Chuck. I mean, they're their

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>own thing. Let's understand them on their own.

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Terms, exactly meet him where they're at. As they say,

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:08.879
<v Speaker 2>we do know.

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 1>They use tools. There is just there's some dolphins that

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 1>have been shown to basically attach a sponge to their rostrum,

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:20.280
<v Speaker 1>their beak, or their schnas when they're hunting for food

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>or forging for food on the seafloor, to basically cushion.

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:25.399
<v Speaker 1>It isn't that neat?

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's amazing, like a little bumper.

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But even more amazing than that is that not

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 1>all dolphins do that, some groups do that, and that

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>they learn it from the other members of their pod,

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>which is a cut and dried version of culture that

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>fits essentially all of the boxes for culture and culture

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 1>is very rare in the animal kingdom, and dolphins seem

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>to display it, at least through the sponge tool use.

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. So this is sort of the saddest

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 2>part of the episode is when we talk about captive

0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 2>dolphins and kind of what'smans have kind of screwed it

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 2>all up as usual. But there has been dolphin entertainment

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 2>for a long time since in nineteenth century, but things

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 2>really grew after the TV show Flipper in the nineteen sixties.

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 2>There were three dolphin areums before that, and by two

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine there were one hundred all over the world.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 2>And while trade is illegal in the US, Mexico, and Europe,

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 2>they are captured at different places in the world, and

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about some specifically, like Japan and Taiwan.

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 2>But the rate of mortality is disputed. If you want

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 2>to look at SeaWorld's research, they're going to say it's

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>really not that different. If you're going to look at

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 2>research by people who used to work at SeaWorld and

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>don't anymore, they'll say, no, male orc has lived fifteen

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 2>years less in captivity, and females as much as thirty.

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 2>So just I think that speaks for itself.

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.479
<v Speaker 1>And there was also a nineteen eighty eight study Chuck

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 1>in the journal Marine Mammal Science, and it found that

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 1>about half of captive dolphins die within ninety days of

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 1>being captured. So this is not They're just not a

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>species or a family or a type of animal that

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>should be held in captivity, and yet they are. SeaWorld

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>very famously in twenty sixteen said that they were no

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 1>longer going to breed orcas, but that they weren't about

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to retire the orcas that they still had left. Yeah,

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that was largely thanks to the documentary Blackfish, which you've

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.399
<v Speaker 1>never seen that, go watch it right now.

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:26.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good one.

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.840
<v Speaker 1>But they still have captive breeding programs for their dolphins,

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.720
<v Speaker 1>and those don't seem to be going anywhere either.

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some people, you know, make an argument that, you know,

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>studying these things in captivity is like how we how

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 2>we learn about them, which is obviously true to a

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 2>certain degree. But dolphin experts will say, hey, you're not

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:49.760
<v Speaker 2>learning about their real habitat if you're studying a dolphin

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 2>in captivity, because they're in captivity, Like their behaviors change, like,

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, all kinds of things are different because they're

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>swimming around in a pool rather than the ocean.

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, imagine putting a hue into solitary confinement long

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 1>enough for them to become totally insane and studying their

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.919
<v Speaker 1>behavior and extrapolating it onto the rest of humanity. That's

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>essentially what the critics are saying that people who study

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 1>animals in captivity are doing. It's tough to disagree with

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 1>that as far as I'm concerned.

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're also used by the US Navy. They're the

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 2>second largest holder of marine mammals in the United States

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 2>behind SeaWorld. Yeah. They started this program, the Marine Mammal

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Program for the Navy in nineteen fifty nine, and by

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighties they had over one hundred dolphins. I

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 2>think that numbers ticked down to like the mid seventies

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 2>ish now. But you know, if you've heard stories of

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 2>like dolphins used in war with like lasers on their head,

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>they don't have lasers on their head. But there have

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 2>been some verified reports that dolphins have like blowguns on

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:52.879
<v Speaker 2>their head.

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh was that verified? I know that there's certainly rumors, well.

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.080
<v Speaker 2>Not verified as in like the US Navy verified it,

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.279
<v Speaker 2>but I think there have been people that are like, no,

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.240
<v Speaker 2>this is happening, and they've observed it in the Soviet

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 2>space as well well.

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 1>For the most part, what they're used is to either

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 1>identify mines like find and identify minds because their echo

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>location can detect the void inside the casing of a

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:21.319
<v Speaker 1>mine that's buried under mud, and they'll go to tag

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>it essentially. Or they'll look for swimmers or divers who

0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 1>are trying to sabotage like a ship or something, and

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 1>they'll go up and basically bump them and put a

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>tracker on that diver and then let the Navy people

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>take over and track that person. So the Navy's like,

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>no dolphin has ever killed a person in combat. It

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:50.720
<v Speaker 1>just has never happened. But there is one recorded instance

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>of a dolphin killing human and from what I can tell,

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 1>it sounds just yeah.

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>This was in nineteen ninety four. There was a dolphin

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:04.360
<v Speaker 2>near sel Power, Brazil that was named tiaw and he

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 2>was very friendly and gregarious and was well known around

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 2>the area for like hanging out with people and had

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot of bad human interactions as a result of that.

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 2>This guy was harassing them. Apparently there were also there

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 2>was also a case where he injured twenty nine swimmers.

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:23.919
<v Speaker 2>They were trying to ride him and put popsicle sticks

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 2>in his blowhole. This guy was harassing him and he

0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:29.319
<v Speaker 2>and he basically nosed him in the abdomen and the

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 2>guy died from internal bleeding.

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like ti how he wasn't a naval dolphin by

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.279
<v Speaker 1>the way, he was just this is just the one

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 1>example of somebody, oh yeah, of a dolphin killing a person.

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he was very, very friendly and he had

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>to put up with a lot of crud, but he

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>would he would dish it back out if you pushed

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>him past the past the point of no return. He

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>apparently after the guy died. Tiaw is left and they

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen him since he fled the He fled the interview.

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's fleeing the interview. Dolphin watching is also you know,

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>you might think like, hey, that's a pretty innocuous thing

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 2>to ride around a boat and look at these things.

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 2>There are companies that supposedly do it responsibly, but that's

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 2>after like, you know, we had to get involved and

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 2>say hey, you can't feed them. That happened in the

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.799
<v Speaker 2>early nineteen nineties, Like they're getting hit by boats because

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:22.399
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to like say, hey, you want to see

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:25.400
<v Speaker 2>some dolphins, let's chum the water or whatever or not

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.239
<v Speaker 2>chum or whatever they use, and they put like time

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 2>limits and distance limits. If those are followed, then you

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 2>know that's better. But any kind of boat activity like

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 2>that is just going to disturb their normal activity. And

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>if there are too many boats around, these dolphins will

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 2>just be like, all right, I got to relocate somewhere,

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 2>maybe far away, and maybe they're not even able to

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:48.960
<v Speaker 2>do that safely.

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, yeah, in that sense, it's still not

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 1>enough regulation or protection of the dolphins. But you can

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 1>make a pretty good case that the United States has

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>some good laws in place that do protect dolphins. There's

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 1>one that was passed in nineteen seventy two, the Marine

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Mammal Protection Act, and among other things, that basically said

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you're not allowed to eat dolphin in the United States.

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 1>They used to hunt dolphin and eat dolphin, and apparently

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 1>people who have eaten dolphin are like, this pretty good,

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 1>but you can't do that in the US anymore, not

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 1>since the swing in seventies. And some people are like, well,

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:31.240
<v Speaker 1>you're eating dolphin when you eat can tuna. That seems

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 1>to be quite untrue. There's people say that, yeah, there's

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>a can tuna that says it's dolphins safe. That doesn't

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:42.800
<v Speaker 1>mean that dolphins aren't being caught in bycatch. It means

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 1>that there's no dolphin in your tuna. But there are

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 1>types of tuna fishing that that are much safer for

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>dolphins than others. So if you care about that and

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.879
<v Speaker 1>you love cantuna, look for a cantuna that says it's

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:03.800
<v Speaker 1>either pole caught, polland line caught, troll caught free, school

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 1>or school caught or fad free. Any of those are

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 1>much less likely to accidentally catch and kill dolphins. When

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>they're fishing for tuna.

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Uh, I always thought tuna was chicken of

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 2>the sea.

0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Now, did you ever see that episode of Jessica Simpson

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and Nichola ch'es Nope, there it was insane, Like I

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 1>saw that.

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 2>One and like, what, I don't even know what you're

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 2>talking about.

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh, she was confused. She was eating a can of

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 1>tuna of Chicken of the sea tuna, and she's like,

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was chicken. But then he's like, no,

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you know it's tuna. She's like, no, I know it's tuna,

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>but I thought it was chicken. And it just like

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 1>you're you'll start bleeding out of your ear if you

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>try to follow it too closely. Interesting, it was something

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.720
<v Speaker 1>that show is actually surprisingly good.

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:51.359
<v Speaker 2>You watched it?

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, back in the day.

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>That surprises me.

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.000
<v Speaker 1>It surprises me too now that I think about it.

0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, joshup, now, wouldn't watch that? Right?

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Probably? Not?

0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 2>No, Josh of your Yeah for sure. Hey, I watched

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Brett Michael's Rock of Love. That was That's my one

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 2>reality TV show.

0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Scar Okay, that's not that's yeah. I was gonna say

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not too bad. It's pretty bad.

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:15.959
<v Speaker 2>It was pretty bad. But that's your that's your boy.

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he's one of them. The whole crew is

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 1>my boys.

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Cca Gang, that's right, Bobby Dolphin, Ricky Rockett, I

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 2>got it.

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:25.399
<v Speaker 1>A nice work, Chuck.

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Dolphin hunting, though, still happens in other places around the world.

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 2>We promised to talk about it a little bit. But

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 2>there are drive hunts, very infamous ones that happen in Taiji, Japan,

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and the Faroe Islands. And there's another great documentary from

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:45.959
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine called The Cove about the Japanese hunt,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's awful to watch. But they round up just

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<v Speaker 2>thousands and thousands of dolphins and corral them and sell

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<v Speaker 2>some to dolphin arians and slaughter the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>You've seen it. I don't think I could see.

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<v Speaker 2>It, man, Yeah, I don't bother you the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also another documentary from Netflix called Sea Spiracy, not

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<v Speaker 1>the best name ever, but it's about the Ginda Drop,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an annual dolphin hunt in the Faroe Islands

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<v Speaker 1>off of Denmark, and it's essentially the same thing. They're

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<v Speaker 1>driven into a corral and then killed by knife and

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<v Speaker 1>I think in twenty twenty one, fourteen hundred dolphins were

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<v Speaker 1>killed in the Genda drop that year, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>record with knives. Jeez.

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<v Speaker 2>We did talk about bycatch a little bit. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a study in twenty twenty that found that since nineteen fifty,

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<v Speaker 2>over eighty percent of Indian ocean dolphins may have been

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<v Speaker 2>killed has bycatch eighty percent, with about eighty thousand total

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<v Speaker 2>cetaceans caught each year. And then there's ghost fishing, which

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<v Speaker 2>we did an episode on, and that's you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>just the fishing industry as a whole ends up killing

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:01.279
<v Speaker 2>animals in the ocean. Ship strike and predation and starvation

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 2>and getting caught up in nets and lines and all

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<v Speaker 2>that awful stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when they abandon their old fishing gear they can't

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<v Speaker 1>use anymore and it just floats around and can kill

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:13.800
<v Speaker 1>animals in the sea for hundreds of years. It's nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>We should end this on a high note, chuck. So

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<v Speaker 1>just a reminder that dolphin moms use whistles to baby

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<v Speaker 1>talk with their dolphin calves, that's right, and they play

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<v Speaker 1>with each other. Yeah, for sure, that's it for dolphins. Everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you like this one. We loved it. We might

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:36.760
<v Speaker 1>just do it again, who knows. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>while we figure that out, it's time for listener maw.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a remember the Bolkswagen episode in the Lemon ad.

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<v Speaker 2>We weren't sure exactly what that was all about. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we heard from a lot of people. This is from LORI,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm trusting LORI because LORII is an advertising copywriter.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, she says.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, guys, confusion about the famous VW Lemon ad Create

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:03.320
<v Speaker 2>to buy Bill Burnbock at DDB. The body copy is

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<v Speaker 2>about VW's preoccupation with every detail. Each bug goes through

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<v Speaker 2>a rigorous inspection process one hundred and eighty nine checkpoints.

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>If there's any issue at all, no matter how small,

0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:15.000
<v Speaker 2>the car doesn't leave the factory. So the car in

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<v Speaker 2>this ad has a scratch on the glove compartment, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's a Lemon. Apparently there was fine print in the

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<v Speaker 2>ad that explained this. One more thing, though, guys, All

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<v Speaker 2>good ad campaigns begin with an insight, a simple sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>a nugget of emotional truth that determines how the brand

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<v Speaker 2>speaks to consumers and how consumers relate to the brand.

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<v Speaker 2>The insight for the BW Beetle you don't buy a

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<v Speaker 2>Beetle you adopt it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's neat.

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<v Speaker 2>We just got don Draper by Lori.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did. Way to go, Lorii. That was a

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:46.960
<v Speaker 1>really great email. Hats off to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Louri is a BW Beetle owner as well,

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<v Speaker 2>so she ticks all the boxes for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I trust Lorii. That's a new stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 2>T Shirt agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, Chuck, I want to take a second to put

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 1>in a correction which I think we mentioned before from

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:08.399
<v Speaker 1>the Zizian episode. So in it, I talked about Eliezer Yukowski,

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<v Speaker 1>who is kind of like his Machine Intelligence Research Institute

0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:15.040
<v Speaker 1>was kind of at the center of the Zizians, like

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that's where they all met. Yeah, and the Machine Intelligence

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Research Institute is trying to figure out how to create

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<v Speaker 1>an artificial intelligence that is friendly to humans, that's aligned

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<v Speaker 1>with human goals and doesn't wipe us out. And I

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<v Speaker 1>said that Eliezer had basically thrown in the towel and

0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.800
<v Speaker 1>was like, this is not it's too late, We're not

0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 1>going to make it. We got an email from Malo Borgan,

0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:42.839
<v Speaker 1>who was the CEO of the of Miry, and he said, hey,

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 1>you got it a little wrong. Eliezer's book that's coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies? Is not

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<v Speaker 1>about throwing in the towel. It's saying like, we're right

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 1>there on the edge, but when there's still time, we

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.399
<v Speaker 1>can still figure out how to make an AI as

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<v Speaker 1>super intellent jan AI that doesn't wipe out humanity. And

0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 1>here's how, and let's get busy. Now. It's kind of

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:09.600
<v Speaker 1>like I'll call the arms to get humanity in action.

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 1>So I definitely flubbed that one. And a huge thank

0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:16.439
<v Speaker 1>you to Mallow for letting us know, but also letting

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<v Speaker 1>us know really gently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's really nice about it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the book If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies, It's

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<v Speaker 1>by Eliezer Yudkowski, who is an amazing thinker and his

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:32.279
<v Speaker 1>collaborator Nate Sores, comes out September sixteenth. If you want

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 1>to go buy it, fantastic, fantastic, And if you want

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.759
<v Speaker 1>to get in touch with us, like Mallow or Lori,

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.879
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