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Speaker 1: And welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Jerry's here too, And this is stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: where we use a lot of up speak. So there

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Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 2: Was that your dolphin?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hadn't practiced for a while, so it was

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Speaker 2: Hey, can I just very quickly mention the correction? Oh sure,

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Speaker 2: I'm free wheeling it here. But we got a lot

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Speaker 2: of emails from people that are in disbelief that we

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Speaker 2: didn't know it's chassis.

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Speaker 1: Oh I knew its Chassie. I used it correctly.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Everyone said that we were saying chassis, and every

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Speaker 2: time I said it, you were like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I didn't I would. I just didn't correct you.

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Speaker 2: No, Well, I appreciate that sometimes you.

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Speaker 1: Don't like to be corrected, or else you're like, I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it that way. So I just didn't

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Speaker 1: not so to leave you out there twisting or anything

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, if you.

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Speaker 1: Want, maybe we can retake this whole thing and I'll

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Speaker 1: just I'll just take it with you. How about that.

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Speaker 2: No, that's all right. Anyway, I didn't know was pronounced chassis.

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Speaker 2: Now that I hear it, I've heard that word. But

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Speaker 2: I'm not a car guy, so I don't know these things.

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Speaker 1: Well. I feel really terrible. I mean, I feel terrible.

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Speaker 1: I'm very sorry. I'll correct you every single time from

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Speaker 1: now on. Okay, great, Okay, I'll just bring the podcast

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Speaker 1: to a screeching halt and be like, no, that was wrong.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's really funny.

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Speaker 1: What a twist, man, I'm sorry, Chuck. So we're talking

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Speaker 1: about dolphins. Is that how I was pronounced?

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Speaker 1: So, okay, that's that we should say it. Then. I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty excited about this one, Chuck, because, as everybody knows,

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Speaker 1: dolphins are awesome, and we're going to talk about all

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Speaker 1: the reasons why they're awesome. It's pretty much the gist

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, dolphins are marine mammals. I

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Speaker 2: guess we should start there, and that entails a whole

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Speaker 2: host of things that we're going to go over, not

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Speaker 2: just some fish, but they technically are cetaceans, and that's

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Speaker 2: a marine mammal, along with eighty other types of species,

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Speaker 1: So relax, right, And I just realized, Chuck, I don't

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Speaker 1: have any of my notes here, so I could try

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Speaker 1: and I can go get my notes, go.

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Speaker 2: Get your notes, and I'll just continue and no, it

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Speaker 2: will be any the wiser, and.

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Speaker 1: Then you can fill me in when I get back.

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Speaker 2: There are forty plus species of dolphin and they're in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always found that so weird. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. But we're I mean, we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: And dolphin aarians, uh yeah, where they keep dolphins as hostages.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and make them perform tricks for dopes.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah. So yeah, bottlenos are the money dolphins.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and the dolphin episode gets a little you know,

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Speaker 1: You nailed it, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: That is the common ancestor that dolphins share. That was

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Speaker 1: And then so the speciation from land mammal to semi

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Speaker 2: So like we said that, you know, they're gonna share

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's let's start. And also a big shout

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Speaker 2: Oh Kyle, Okay, thanks mate, or.

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Speaker 1: No, it's probably key Lay, now that I think about it,

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Speaker 1: I feel I feel terrible, Chuck. I'm so sorry, man.

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Speaker 2: So that's okay. So they are placental mammals, so they're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I think the orcas have the longest

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like toddlers. Isn't that adorable?

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Speaker 1: One thing that I hadn't considered is that so dolphins

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Speaker 1: But that's just a guess you'd think. So the sharks

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I definitely got that wrong. So to like

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Speaker 2: That's right, Or like a kid running with their arms

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Speaker 2: That's funny that you always say that, even though I've

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Speaker 1: Well, you just told me that. I just want you

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Speaker 2: Dolphins are also pretty good smellers. They have a blowhole

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. But if they say down there too

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which we'll get to that later. Yeah, the blowhole

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, from what I understand, I couldn't, but I

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Speaker 2: Why don't you take the una hemispheric sleep because that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sleeping with one eye open is kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, and that actually ties in, chuck you ne

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll come back with correction fest right after this.

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Speaker 2: I promise they have. And this is to me another

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's their one blind spot is above them. And

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Speaker 1: Then they give them a little wink nice yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you can examine an ear plug or a plug of

435
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: ear wax of a dolphin or a whale and pretty

436
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: closely estimate how old it is, like you'reing tree rings.

437
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: So cool.

438
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: I think so too.

439
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 2: I love that. And they can also, you know, get

440
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: into that ear wax and analyze it and see what

441
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: kind of like pollutants it was exposed to and stuff

442
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: like that, maybe hormone fluctuations. So yeah, that's pretty awesome.

443
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: And that's like fairly recent, right.

444
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know exactly when, but it is a

445
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: fairly recent finding for sure. So yeah, look for more

446
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: talk about dolphin earwax in the future.

447
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: They don't listen exactly like we do, but they receive

448
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: high frequency sounds through And this is a pretty good

449
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 2: band named Acoustic Fats and their lower jaw and that's

450
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: going to vibrate through their skull and they have these

451
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: you know, I guess they're unattached internal earbones that pick

452
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: up this sound from the acoustic fats.

453
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they can hear sounds. But it's also really

454
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: useful for echolocation too, where they send a click out

455
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: and then wait for it to bounce off something and

456
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: come back. It's received through that jawbone.

457
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

458
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: And apparently because the teeth are so close to the

459
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: nerves that transmit this this impulse, they think that the

460
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,479
Speaker 1: teeth might actually act as amplifiers. And I wonder if

461
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: that has to do with the cone shape too.

462
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: Oh maybe so maybe. Yeah, I mean a cone is

463
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: a very common way to amplify sound.

464
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: It is like an old timey cheerleader.

465
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Yeah, I mean that's just another amazing fact.

466
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: They you know, navies use sonar, so it's and we'll

467
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: get into this little bit more. But you know, everyone

468
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: has sort of heard the stories about the damage that's

469
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: done by you know, ships and navies and exploding things underwater.

470
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the largest dolphins strandings took place because

471
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: of sonar. There's a big multi national naval exercise in

472
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: the Arabian Sea in two thousand and nine. I remember that, Yeah,

473
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: and two hundred dolphins just stranded themselves just trying to

474
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: get away from the horrible sounds. So, yeah, we've talked

475
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: about this before. It's a real issue. That's just nothing's

476
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: being done about it.

477
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, yeah, there's a lot of sadness in

478
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: this episode for sure. They do vocalize, you know, you

479
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: just rewind and listen to Josh at the beginning if

480
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: you want to hear exactly what it sounds like. Don't

481
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: bother going to YouTube or anything. They vocalize with whistles

482
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: and pops and brays. They make these sounds with something

483
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: called phonic lips, and those are near the blowhole.

484
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: That's a good one too.

485
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: Did you say band name?

486
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: It's a good one.

487
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sonic Youth and Flaming Lips got together

488
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: for a Superman nice. I just saw the Flaming Lips

489
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: and they were great. Hadn't seen them in years. Oh yeah, yeah,

490
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: it's really really good.

491
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: I've never seen them. I'm sure their shows are pretty great.

492
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty fun. But they have a larynx at

493
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 2: the base of the blowhole, and that larynx is going

494
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: to be able to sort of move and modulate sound

495
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 2: by letting air kind of go through at different rates

496
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: of speed.

497
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then they also have something called a melon,

498
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: which is a big, massive fat in their forehead, which

499
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: pretty Yeah, it's pretty characteristic of dolphin's look, but that

500
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: melon is actually able to focus sound like a lens.

501
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: The little fatty lump moves around. They can move it,

502
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Like those people who can move

503
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: their forehead up and down, right, I think that's essentially

504
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and it focuses the sound, including their echolocation.

505
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and get this, here's another fact of the episode.

506
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: I'll take this one, you can take the next one.

507
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 2: They can use this to basically name each other. They

508
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: can broadcast their identity and their location to other dolphins

509
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: because they have signature whistles, so they come up with

510
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: their own whistle. They make that sound and everyone knows

511
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: that's Josh over there, Josh the dolphin.

512
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, my name sounds like in dolphin and.

513
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: Talk about what mommies do too. That's another wowie.

514
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: Well, they found that they use baby talk, They use

515
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: higher frequency whistles and essentially use baby talk with their

516
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: own calves, which is adorable.

517
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, are we at echolocation? Finally?

518
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: I think? So this is a pretty cool This is

519
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: the last fact. The rest of the stuff we're going

520
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 1: to talk about is so dry you might as well

521
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: to stop the episode.

522
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: No, not true, but you take this because it's a wowe.

523
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: It's essentially just like bats, right it is.

524
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: And they figured out that bats and dolphins are essentially

525
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: not at all related, so they developed pretty much identical

526
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: forms of echolocation independently. Yeah, it's an example of convergent evolution.

527
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: But what they do is they produce these clicks. They

528
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: use the melon to focus those things like a laser,

529
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: and they can not only so they're bouncing a sound

530
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: wave off of something. It's coming back and then it

531
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: is translated into a mental map. So essentially they're seeing,

532
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: they're experiencing a form of vision like we think of it,

533
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: but they're doing it through through sonar, essentially their own

534
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 1: form of sonar. Yeah, and they it's like really really accurate.

535
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. I mean they've done some studies and they

536
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: found that they were able to distinguish different disc sizes

537
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 2: by as little as one tenth of a centimeter or

538
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: four hundreds of an inch.

539
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: Right, which is very small. And I thought that was weird.

540
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: One tenth of a centimeter. I was like, that sounds familiar,

541
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: and then I realized it's a millimeter. I don't know

542
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: why anyone would put it like that. That's why you

543
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: have the metric system.

544
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you should ask Kyle.

545
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: Isn't that bizarre?

546
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

547
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: Huh So, their their echolocation is quite quite amazing. And

548
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: I've seen also that they can they can see internal

549
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: organs in other animals. That's how penetrative. I guess their

550
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: their echolocation isn't just how nuanced it is.

551
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: I know Predator is heat based, but I just that's

552
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: what I think of.

553
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: That's funny you say that I watched that two days

554
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: ago the og Yeah, and I this is definitely tied

555
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: with I guess Commando for Schwarzenegger's best movie.

556
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: I saw Predator, the original one, but I didn't like

557
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: follow up with the whole Predator universe.

558
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: No, I didn't either. I just watched the first one again.

559
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is good.

560
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: I think those new ones are supposed to be good.

561
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: To pray and then that other one coming up.

562
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Oh, really, they're supposed to be good.

563
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: That's what I heard.

564
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: Isn't there like a Predator versus Jason? Didn't it gets

565
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: it like off the as off the rails as they.

566
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: Do Predator versus Alien. I think, Yeah, I didn't see

567
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: that either, and I love the Alien universe.

568
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guarantee Danny McBride's in that.

569
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh so. Dolphins are very social and that's one

570
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: of the reasons also that people love them, because you

571
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: often see them swimming in large pods and seeming like

572
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: they're having a good time together. It's because they basically

573
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: are pods can be as small as two or up

574
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: to a thousand, but generally they're between forty and sixty,

575
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: and they can form very long time social relationships.

576
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's different kinds of pods. There's like, you know,

577
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: the pod pod, the original one. There's a bunch of

578
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: different dolphins that some have familial ties, some don't. There's

579
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: juvenile pods where they the kids reach I guess the

580
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: end of toddler stage and they're like, go on, go

581
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: form your own pod. So a bunch of them about

582
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: the same ageable form of pod together. There's bachelor pods,

583
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: which is usually two sometimes three males that essentially just

584
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: form their own jam and crews around together, sometimes forming

585
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: lifelong friendships. And all of them have their advantages, like

586
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: it's easier to hunt that, it's easier to defend against

587
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: something trying to kill you. Yeah, it's easier to pass

588
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: down knowledge from one generation to another, which we'll talk

589
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: about in a second. So there's all sorts of advantages.

590
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: But because of their social nature, they do have a

591
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: lot of traits that you're like, wow, that's really human.

592
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, for sure, this is I told Emily about

593
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: this one and she was like, well, that's bs, but

594
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: this is this is sometimes what happens. It's it's fairly rare,

595
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: but sometimes males will team up and steal a female

596
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: dolphin from another pod and basically, you know, keep her

597
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: captive and prevent her from returning.

598
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

599
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: And it looks like what they think is going on

600
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: is like they have a situation where they need a

601
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: female because their long gestation period is and lactation keeps

602
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: them from being available to breed for sometimes years at

603
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: a time, so they're like, we got a breed, We're

604
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: gonna go take her and keep her here.

605
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this high competition for females. So it's not

606
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: the most tasteful dolphin fact around. So we'll follow that

607
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: one up with a more heartwarming one where they also

608
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: have been observed in plenty of instances to engage in

609
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: altruistic behavior, like social behavior where they don't leave behind

610
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: like sicker injured friends.

611
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead tell them about that one.

612
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: I think this was in the mid two thousand aughts,

613
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: I think whatever, there was a group of eleven dolphins

614
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: that essentially swam together to form a raft with their

615
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: injured companion in the middle to keep them from sinking

616
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: and dying. Yeah, and I mean that's pretty amazing altruistic behavior.

617
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: I think they've also seen other ones do that too.

618
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: It's not like this is a one time thing, so

619
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: that's a pretty I mean there's a lot of animals

620
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: that are out there like, oh you're sick, good luck dying,

621
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: We're moving on, or I'll eat you exactly. Yeah, dolphins

622
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: don't do that. They try to take care of their peeps.

623
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: Amazing. All right, I say, we take our second break,

624
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and we come back with more on the

625
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: amazing dolphin right after this.

626
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: So, Chuck, one of the great things about dolphins is

627
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: that we know that they play. It's not anthropomorphizing, it's

628
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: they're playing. Juveniles play with one another. They sometimes play

629
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: with their parents. They'll swim around and the head of

630
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: another dolphin and just kind of tease them. We talked

631
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: about them teasing fish earlier. What is that all about?

632
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sometimes they've been observed doing that. Like

633
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: they'll go up and not eat a fish, but they'll

634
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: like get the fish's tail in its mouth and being

635
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: like like kind of like I got your nose, and

636
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: then they'll swim away and the fishes like what just happened?

637
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I'm swimming porpoising in the waves of

638
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: ships that are traveling fairly fast. They think, essentially, that's

639
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: for thrills and kicks. Yeah, that's so cool.

640
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool.

641
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: There are also gay dolphin behaviors as well, where those

642
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: male friends for life and the bachelor pods they'll have sex.

643
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that the whole point? In the Bachelor Pod.

644
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: I think so, you know, yeah, that and playing video

645
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: games together afterwards.

646
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Yeah, I mean they this is where, you know,

647
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: gets a little sexy. But they basically on a daily basis,

648
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: they've observed dolphins exhibiting what's called non conceptive sexual behavior,

649
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: so they're not trying to reproduce. They're getting together and

650
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: having a good time for the fun of it.

651
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that and CSB for the church goers. That

652
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: also includes masturbation. Apparently captive dolphins do that every day,

653
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: which makes sense because they've got nothing else to do,

654
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: so they're just kind of bored. But they will use walls.

655
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: Other dolphins they'll use trainer sometimes for stimulation. Yeah, and

656
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: that actually happens.

657
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw too. They might lean up against a

658
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: washing machine from time to time.

659
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good. Is that real? Is that just a troper?

660
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: Is that real?

661
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's happened. All right, let's talk about let's

662
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: clean this thing up. Well, actually we can't clean it

663
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: up because we're about to talk about something else like that.

664
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: We're talking about dolphins intelligence and we know they're smart

665
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: and a lot of that comes from a guy named

666
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: doctor John C. Lilly in the nineteen sixties who really

667
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: put dolphins on the map in a bigger way by

668
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: saying that they're probably as intelligent as we are. He

669
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 2: did some pretty awful experience experiments, like injecting them with LSD.

670
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: He mapped unsedated dolphins cerebral cortex with probes, and he

671
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: was involved in a very infamous experiment in nineteen sixty three.

672
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: I said it was the seventies. It was the sixties

673
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: when he got a woman named Margaret Howell love It

674
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: and paired her with a dolphin named Peter and a

675
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: flooded apartment so they could live together and learn more

676
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: about each other.

677
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Lily was obsessed with the idea that dolphins

678
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: could learn English, not just to understand it, but to

679
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: speak it, because sometimes apparently they'll mimic's people speaking a

680
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: little bit with one of their squeaks. So He's like,

681
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: they clearly want to communicate. That's why he injected him

682
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: with LST. That's why he had Peter live with Margaret,

683
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: and she was supposed to teach him how to say

684
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: Hello Margaret, but apparently though the lessons would get interrupted

685
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: because Peter was rather randy dolphin. He was captive after all.

686
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: So Margaret Howell love It became known as the woman

687
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: who would manually satisfy really relief, and she was like, yes,

688
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: I realized this is a very odd behavior. And apparently

689
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: Hustler picked us up and wrote all about it, this crazy,

690
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: this crazy thing that was going on, and she was like, look,

691
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to actually interact with the dolphin, teach the

692
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: dolphin this, and Peter just can't focus on anything else.

693
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: So it's like an itch, you scratch it and then

694
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: you move on, And of course it's what everybody talked about.

695
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: But eventually the funding dried up and Peter was essentially

696
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: just kicked out of the apartment is separated from Margaret,

697
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: who he'd essentially adopted as either a pod member or

698
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: his girlfriend or something. He had a very strong attachment

699
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: to her, and they just ripped him away from her,

700
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: and it did not go very well.

701
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: No, he did not say so long and thanks for

702
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: all the fish. He very sadly appeared to have taken

703
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: his own life. He just kind of sunk himself to

704
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: the bottom and didn't breathe anymore.

705
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, how sad is that?

706
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, I mean, you put this dolphin in an

707
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: apartment with this woman, and then that happens, and then

708
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: he seemingly kills himself.

709
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, kids, Yeah, I mean, if you ever see a

710
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: dolphin in captivity, it's it's a really horrible thing to see,

711
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: especially if it's like just indoors. It's just it's worse

712
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: than other animals I think, and I don't think any

713
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: animals should be kept in captivity, but dolphins seem to be.

714
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: It's just worse, you know.

715
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to me, when you're talking about an

716
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: ocean dwelling species, it's a big area, right, Yeah, but

717
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 2: they are smart sort of a long way of getting

718
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: around and saying we know they're super smart. We've seen

719
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: their vocalizations and their social relationships and how they can

720
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: learn and mimic things. But you know, saying like they're

721
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: as smart as humans, it's just a weird. People should

722
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: stop comparing animals to humans like that.

723
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point, Chuck. I mean, they're their

724
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: own thing. Let's understand them on their own.

725
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: Terms, exactly meet him where they're at. As they say,

726
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: we do know.

727
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: They use tools. There is just there's some dolphins that

728
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: have been shown to basically attach a sponge to their rostrum,

729
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: their beak, or their schnas when they're hunting for food

730
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: or forging for food on the seafloor, to basically cushion.

731
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: It isn't that neat?

732
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing, like a little bumper.

733
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. But even more amazing than that is that not

734
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: all dolphins do that, some groups do that, and that

735
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: they learn it from the other members of their pod,

736
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: which is a cut and dried version of culture that

737
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: fits essentially all of the boxes for culture and culture

738
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: is very rare in the animal kingdom, and dolphins seem

739
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: to display it, at least through the sponge tool use.

740
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So this is sort of the saddest

741
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: part of the episode is when we talk about captive

742
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: dolphins and kind of what'smans have kind of screwed it

743
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: all up as usual. But there has been dolphin entertainment

744
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: for a long time since in nineteenth century, but things

745
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: really grew after the TV show Flipper in the nineteen sixties.

746
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: There were three dolphin areums before that, and by two

747
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: thousand and nine there were one hundred all over the world.

748
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: And while trade is illegal in the US, Mexico, and Europe,

749
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: they are captured at different places in the world, and

750
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about some specifically, like Japan and Taiwan.

751
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: But the rate of mortality is disputed. If you want

752
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: to look at SeaWorld's research, they're going to say it's

753
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: really not that different. If you're going to look at

754
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: research by people who used to work at SeaWorld and

755
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: don't anymore, they'll say, no, male orc has lived fifteen

756
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: years less in captivity, and females as much as thirty.

757
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: So just I think that speaks for itself.

758
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 1: And there was also a nineteen eighty eight study Chuck

759
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: in the journal Marine Mammal Science, and it found that

760
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: about half of captive dolphins die within ninety days of

761
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: being captured. So this is not They're just not a

762
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: species or a family or a type of animal that

763
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: should be held in captivity, and yet they are. SeaWorld

764
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: very famously in twenty sixteen said that they were no

765
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: longer going to breed orcas, but that they weren't about

766
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: to retire the orcas that they still had left. Yeah,

767
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: that was largely thanks to the documentary Blackfish, which you've

768
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: never seen that, go watch it right now.

769
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, good one.

770
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: But they still have captive breeding programs for their dolphins,

771
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: and those don't seem to be going anywhere either.

772
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, some people, you know, make an argument that, you know,

773
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: studying these things in captivity is like how we how

774
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: we learn about them, which is obviously true to a

775
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: certain degree. But dolphin experts will say, hey, you're not

776
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 2: learning about their real habitat if you're studying a dolphin

777
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: in captivity, because they're in captivity, Like their behaviors change, like,

778
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: you know, all kinds of things are different because they're

779
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: swimming around in a pool rather than the ocean.

780
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, imagine putting a hue into solitary confinement long

781
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: enough for them to become totally insane and studying their

782
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: behavior and extrapolating it onto the rest of humanity. That's

783
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: essentially what the critics are saying that people who study

784
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: animals in captivity are doing. It's tough to disagree with

785
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: that as far as I'm concerned.

786
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're also used by the US Navy. They're the

787
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: second largest holder of marine mammals in the United States

788
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: behind SeaWorld. Yeah. They started this program, the Marine Mammal

789
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: Program for the Navy in nineteen fifty nine, and by

790
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties they had over one hundred dolphins. I

791
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: think that numbers ticked down to like the mid seventies

792
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: ish now. But you know, if you've heard stories of

793
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: like dolphins used in war with like lasers on their head,

794
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: they don't have lasers on their head. But there have

795
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: been some verified reports that dolphins have like blowguns on

796
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: their head.

797
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: Oh was that verified? I know that there's certainly rumors, well.

798
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: Not verified as in like the US Navy verified it,

799
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: but I think there have been people that are like, no,

800
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: this is happening, and they've observed it in the Soviet

801
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: space as well well.

802
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: For the most part, what they're used is to either

803
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: identify mines like find and identify minds because their echo

804
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: location can detect the void inside the casing of a

805
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: mine that's buried under mud, and they'll go to tag

806
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: it essentially. Or they'll look for swimmers or divers who

807
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: are trying to sabotage like a ship or something, and

808
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: they'll go up and basically bump them and put a

809
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: tracker on that diver and then let the Navy people

810
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: take over and track that person. So the Navy's like,

811
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: no dolphin has ever killed a person in combat. It

812
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: just has never happened. But there is one recorded instance

813
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: of a dolphin killing human and from what I can tell,

814
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: it sounds just yeah.

815
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: This was in nineteen ninety four. There was a dolphin

816
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: near sel Power, Brazil that was named tiaw and he

817
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: was very friendly and gregarious and was well known around

818
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: the area for like hanging out with people and had

819
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: a lot of bad human interactions as a result of that.

820
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: This guy was harassing them. Apparently there were also there

821
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: was also a case where he injured twenty nine swimmers.

822
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 2: They were trying to ride him and put popsicle sticks

823
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: in his blowhole. This guy was harassing him and he

824
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: and he basically nosed him in the abdomen and the

825
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: guy died from internal bleeding.

826
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like ti how he wasn't a naval dolphin by

827
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: the way, he was just this is just the one

828
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: example of somebody, oh yeah, of a dolphin killing a person.

829
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was very, very friendly and he had

830
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: to put up with a lot of crud, but he

831
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: would he would dish it back out if you pushed

832
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: him past the past the point of no return. He

833
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: apparently after the guy died. Tiaw is left and they

834
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: haven't seen him since he fled the He fled the interview.

835
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fleeing the interview. Dolphin watching is also you know,

836
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: you might think like, hey, that's a pretty innocuous thing

837
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: to ride around a boat and look at these things.

838
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: Right.

839
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: There are companies that supposedly do it responsibly, but that's

840
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: after like, you know, we had to get involved and

841
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: say hey, you can't feed them. That happened in the

842
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: early nineteen nineties, Like they're getting hit by boats because

843
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 2: they're trying to like say, hey, you want to see

844
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: some dolphins, let's chum the water or whatever or not

845
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: chum or whatever they use, and they put like time

846
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: limits and distance limits. If those are followed, then you

847
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: know that's better. But any kind of boat activity like

848
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: that is just going to disturb their normal activity. And

849
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: if there are too many boats around, these dolphins will

850
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: just be like, all right, I got to relocate somewhere,

851
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: maybe far away, and maybe they're not even able to

852
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: do that safely.

853
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, in that sense, it's still not

854
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: enough regulation or protection of the dolphins. But you can

855
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: make a pretty good case that the United States has

856
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: some good laws in place that do protect dolphins. There's

857
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: one that was passed in nineteen seventy two, the Marine

858
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: Mammal Protection Act, and among other things, that basically said

859
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to eat dolphin in the United States.

860
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: They used to hunt dolphin and eat dolphin, and apparently

861
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: people who have eaten dolphin are like, this pretty good,

862
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: but you can't do that in the US anymore, not

863
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: since the swing in seventies. And some people are like, well,

864
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: you're eating dolphin when you eat can tuna. That seems

865
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Speaker 1: to be quite untrue. There's people say that, yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: a can tuna that says it's dolphins safe. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that dolphins aren't being caught in bycatch. It means

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Speaker 1: that there's no dolphin in your tuna. But there are

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Speaker 1: types of tuna fishing that that are much safer for

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Speaker 1: dolphins than others. So if you care about that and

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Speaker 1: you love cantuna, look for a cantuna that says it's

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Speaker 1: either pole caught, polland line caught, troll caught free, school

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Speaker 1: or school caught or fad free. Any of those are

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Speaker 1: much less likely to accidentally catch and kill dolphins. When

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Speaker 1: they're fishing for tuna.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Uh, I always thought tuna was chicken of

877
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Speaker 2: the sea.

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Speaker 1: Now, did you ever see that episode of Jessica Simpson

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Speaker 1: and Nichola ch'es Nope, there it was insane, Like I

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00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: saw that.

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Speaker 2: One and like, what, I don't even know what you're

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she was confused. She was eating a can of

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Speaker 1: tuna of Chicken of the sea tuna, and she's like,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was chicken. But then he's like, no,

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Speaker 1: you know it's tuna. She's like, no, I know it's tuna,

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Speaker 1: but I thought it was chicken. And it just like

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Speaker 1: you're you'll start bleeding out of your ear if you

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Speaker 1: try to follow it too closely. Interesting, it was something

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Speaker 1: that show is actually surprisingly good.

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Speaker 2: You watched it?

892
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Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day.

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Speaker 2: That surprises me.

894
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Speaker 1: It surprises me too now that I think about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, joshup, now, wouldn't watch that? Right?

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Speaker 1: Probably? Not?

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Speaker 2: No, Josh of your Yeah for sure. Hey, I watched

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Speaker 2: Brett Michael's Rock of Love. That was That's my one

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Speaker 2: reality TV show.

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Speaker 1: Scar Okay, that's not that's yeah. I was gonna say

901
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Speaker 1: it's not too bad. It's pretty bad.

902
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Speaker 2: It was pretty bad. But that's your that's your boy.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's one of them. The whole crew is

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Speaker 1: my boys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cca Gang, that's right, Bobby Dolphin, Ricky Rockett, I

906
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Speaker 2: got it.

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Speaker 1: A nice work, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Dolphin hunting, though, still happens in other places around the world.

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Speaker 2: We promised to talk about it a little bit. But

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Speaker 2: there are drive hunts, very infamous ones that happen in Taiji, Japan,

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Speaker 2: and the Faroe Islands. And there's another great documentary from

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine called The Cove about the Japanese hunt,

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Speaker 2: and it's awful to watch. But they round up just

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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of dolphins and corral them and sell

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Speaker 2: some to dolphin arians and slaughter the rest.

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Speaker 1: You've seen it. I don't think I could see.

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Speaker 2: It, man, Yeah, I don't bother you the deal.

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Speaker 1: There's also another documentary from Netflix called Sea Spiracy, not

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Speaker 1: the best name ever, but it's about the Ginda Drop,

920
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Speaker 1: which is an annual dolphin hunt in the Faroe Islands

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Speaker 1: off of Denmark, and it's essentially the same thing. They're

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Speaker 1: driven into a corral and then killed by knife and

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Speaker 1: I think in twenty twenty one, fourteen hundred dolphins were

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Speaker 1: killed in the Genda drop that year, which was a

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Speaker 1: record with knives. Jeez.

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Speaker 2: We did talk about bycatch a little bit. There was

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Speaker 2: a study in twenty twenty that found that since nineteen fifty,

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Speaker 2: over eighty percent of Indian ocean dolphins may have been

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Speaker 2: killed has bycatch eighty percent, with about eighty thousand total

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Speaker 2: cetaceans caught each year. And then there's ghost fishing, which

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Speaker 2: we did an episode on, and that's you know, when

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Speaker 2: just the fishing industry as a whole ends up killing

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Speaker 2: animals in the ocean. Ship strike and predation and starvation

934
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Speaker 2: and getting caught up in nets and lines and all

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Speaker 2: that awful stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when they abandon their old fishing gear they can't

937
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Speaker 1: use anymore and it just floats around and can kill

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Speaker 1: animals in the sea for hundreds of years. It's nuts.

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Speaker 1: We should end this on a high note, chuck. So

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Speaker 1: just a reminder that dolphin moms use whistles to baby

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Speaker 1: talk with their dolphin calves, that's right, and they play

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Speaker 1: with each other. Yeah, for sure, that's it for dolphins. Everybody.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you like this one. We loved it. We might

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Speaker 1: just do it again, who knows. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: while we figure that out, it's time for listener maw.

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Speaker 2: This is a remember the Bolkswagen episode in the Lemon ad.

947
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Speaker 2: We weren't sure exactly what that was all about. Oh yeah,

948
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Speaker 2: we heard from a lot of people. This is from LORI,

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Speaker 2: and I'm trusting LORI because LORII is an advertising copywriter.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, she says.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, confusion about the famous VW Lemon ad Create

952
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 2: to buy Bill Burnbock at DDB. The body copy is

953
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Speaker 2: about VW's preoccupation with every detail. Each bug goes through

954
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Speaker 2: a rigorous inspection process one hundred and eighty nine checkpoints.

955
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Speaker 2: If there's any issue at all, no matter how small,

956
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Speaker 2: the car doesn't leave the factory. So the car in

957
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Speaker 2: this ad has a scratch on the glove compartment, so

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Speaker 2: it's a Lemon. Apparently there was fine print in the

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Speaker 2: ad that explained this. One more thing, though, guys, All

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Speaker 2: good ad campaigns begin with an insight, a simple sentence,

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Speaker 2: a nugget of emotional truth that determines how the brand

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Speaker 2: speaks to consumers and how consumers relate to the brand.

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Speaker 2: The insight for the BW Beetle you don't buy a

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Speaker 2: Beetle you adopt it.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's neat.

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Speaker 2: We just got don Draper by Lori.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did. Way to go, Lorii. That was a

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Speaker 1: really great email. Hats off to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Louri is a BW Beetle owner as well,

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Speaker 2: so she ticks all the boxes for sure.

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Speaker 1: I trust Lorii. That's a new stuff you should know.

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Speaker 2: T Shirt agreed.

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Speaker 1: Also, Chuck, I want to take a second to put

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Speaker 1: in a correction which I think we mentioned before from

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Speaker 1: the Zizian episode. So in it, I talked about Eliezer Yukowski,

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Speaker 1: who is kind of like his Machine Intelligence Research Institute

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Speaker 1: was kind of at the center of the Zizians, like

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Speaker 1: that's where they all met. Yeah, and the Machine Intelligence

979
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Speaker 1: Research Institute is trying to figure out how to create

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Speaker 1: an artificial intelligence that is friendly to humans, that's aligned

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Speaker 1: with human goals and doesn't wipe us out. And I

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Speaker 1: said that Eliezer had basically thrown in the towel and

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00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: was like, this is not it's too late, We're not

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Speaker 1: going to make it. We got an email from Malo Borgan,

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Speaker 1: who was the CEO of the of Miry, and he said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you got it a little wrong. Eliezer's book that's coming out.

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Speaker 1: It's called If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies? Is not

988
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Speaker 1: about throwing in the towel. It's saying like, we're right

989
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: there on the edge, but when there's still time, we

990
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: can still figure out how to make an AI as

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Speaker 1: super intellent jan AI that doesn't wipe out humanity. And

992
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Speaker 1: here's how, and let's get busy. Now. It's kind of

993
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Speaker 1: like I'll call the arms to get humanity in action.

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Speaker 1: So I definitely flubbed that one. And a huge thank

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Speaker 1: you to Mallow for letting us know, but also letting

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Speaker 1: us know really gently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really nice about it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the book If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies, It's

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Speaker 1: by Eliezer Yudkowski, who is an amazing thinker and his

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Speaker 1: collaborator Nate Sores, comes out September sixteenth. If you want

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Speaker 1: to go buy it, fantastic, fantastic, And if you want

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Speaker 1: to get in touch with us, like Mallow or Lori,

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Speaker 1: you can send us an email to send it off

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